Putting councils 'in the driving seat' would save £1.6bn, says report
10/02/2021 | news | politics | 172
Centralising responsibility for social care would risk disruption, a council-commissioned report says.
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10/02/2021 10:52:10 15 5
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£1.6bn savings according to “a County Councils Network-commissioned report”

Where I grew up, the person on the council who issued alcohol licences was also the person who owned the only club in the area for years.

Councils are just as bad as govts for corruption and “spaffing” money when they get fleeced for agreeing to contracts without reading or understanding the conditions.
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jon
10/02/2021 10:53:21 30 6
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Local authorities have an appalling record of trading NHS beds for care home places and getting the NHS to contribute, while using private residents to subsidise council contributions. A joined up system is needed.
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10/02/2021 14:38:40 7 2
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The system fell apart completely following the Tory's policies of withholding the Rate Support Grant (collected from Business Rates, which companies pay for local services) and keeping to themselves, and from freezing Council Tax from 2010/11 - 2017/18.

The Tories then dumped social care onto the NHS without any funding.

Any system put into place has to be properly funded by the Government.
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10/02/2021 10:59:10 11 1
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How did it break in the first place ??

Convenient it should be passed back when smashed in tatters ??

However correct decision, never let it happen again !!
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10/02/2021 10:59:37 21 2
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Social care should be an integral part of medical care. Not rocket science, really. I’m sure there will be numerous “officials” who come up with reasons why it shouldn’t be; most of them something to do with money.
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10/02/2021 13:48:49 10 0
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It was until the Health and Social Care Act 2012. All part of that great "austerity" experiment, which has caused so much harm to the country.
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10/02/2021 11:01:24 16 4
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Can you imagine putting people like those on Handforth Council in charge on anything?
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10/02/2021 12:08:24 6 0
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Oh I don't know looking around they could be an improvement ?
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10/02/2021 13:48:34 5 0
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They would have to be really really useless to be a worse choice than the lot in charge centrally.
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10/02/2021 11:01:40 16 2
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Unfortunately this has been kicked down the road for too long. Since austerity, which devasted LA budgets for political reasons, not financial, LA's have been dumped with too much care responsibilities with no funding.
This has led to a surge in inscrupulous carehome owners profiteering from families fears
LA's need proper funding, along with the NHS, to build a proper care system for our elderly!
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MVS
10/02/2021 11:03:35 2 5
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If any local council ran social care as badly as the one that failed to provide any meaningful support for my housebound mother for 8 years then this is a recipe for disaster.
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10/02/2021 11:04:44 11 10
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Still waiting for the clear plan from this shambles of a government, it's as if they don't really care. Get on with it.
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10/02/2021 11:14:36 5 8
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They may have one or two other priorities at the moment don't you think?
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10/02/2021 11:13:02 17 6
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The Tories have deliberately emasculated local govt in their drive for central control. A large part of their Covid failures derives from blind adherence to private over public provision with private companies’ expensive failures paid out of the public purse (and a lurch into cronyism for bad measure) Is it likely the Tories will see good sense here, or it will it be cash for cronies as usual?
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10/02/2021 14:45:15 4 0
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Absolutely!
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10/02/2021 16:37:00 0 0
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Local Authorities spend to much and need bringing under control. Personally i think they should be privatised. NOTHING done by the public sector is ever as good or as cost effective as the properly controlled private sector in a competitive market.
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10/02/2021 11:04:44 11 10
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Still waiting for the clear plan from this shambles of a government, it's as if they don't really care. Get on with it.
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10/02/2021 11:14:36 5 8
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They may have one or two other priorities at the moment don't you think?
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10/02/2021 12:07:11 1 0
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They can only do one thing @ a time, Brexit took them FIVE years while nothing else was achieved. Multi tasking is a NO NO.
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10/02/2021 12:43:11 1 0
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Jesus, what have they been concentrating on the fiasco of Covid or the fiasco of Brexit? There's many many departments of government, they can and should be looking at everything...
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10/02/2021 13:49:49 1 0
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What like making a complete mess of Brexit and now trying to blame everyone but themselves for it? That sort of "priority", you mean?
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10/02/2021 11:15:05 12 6
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The Tories are shameful when it comes to cutting health budgets. Most Tory Mps go private because they are well off.
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10/02/2021 11:56:16 3 0
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Yes and they get full support for these cuts from the voters

So the blame for these cuts is with the tory voters
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10/02/2021 16:44:34 0 0
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They are doing the country a favour because they are not consuming service from the NHS. Imagine how much more tax you would have to pay (assuming you pay tax?) if they didnt go private.
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10/02/2021 11:15:10 3 0
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Dealing with hospital bed-blocking should be a prime objective of any policy. I do not have sufficient knowledge to comment any further but I know that bed space in hospitals has been compromised by healthy patients occupying beds because there would be nowhere for them to go if discharged.
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10/02/2021 11:23:35 2 2
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Remember a time when "cottage (local) hospitals" served that essential need to a very large extent.
But then of course, this Toxic government decided to close them all down in the name of (they told us) cost savings in line with their austerity programme.
So here we are, suffering the consequences of their gross miserly incompetence.
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10/02/2021 11:19:00 4 1
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Speaking from personal experience, when my late mother was waiting to be discharged from hospital it was all too evident that the split in functions between the NHS and Social Services just does not work. They simply do not talk to one another as to patient's needs and it ends up with relatives been pushed from pillar to post having to sort out requirements. Conversations on phone taking hours.
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bbc
Madness to allow corrupt and incompetant Labour councils anywhere near the purse strings.
Have we learned nothing from the past ?
You only have to look at what has and is going on in Liverpool
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10/02/2021 11:27:14 4 0
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Come on then you Bozo bottom licker, enlighten us with with your vast knowledge of lies and stupidity. What is going on in Liverpool. The
city volunteered for mass testing, resulting in infection rates plummeting.
Be brave for once, and if for once you can give an honest answer ( which I doubt) tell us where you live.
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10/02/2021 11:15:10 3 0
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Dealing with hospital bed-blocking should be a prime objective of any policy. I do not have sufficient knowledge to comment any further but I know that bed space in hospitals has been compromised by healthy patients occupying beds because there would be nowhere for them to go if discharged.
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10/02/2021 11:23:35 2 2
bbc
Remember a time when "cottage (local) hospitals" served that essential need to a very large extent.
But then of course, this Toxic government decided to close them all down in the name of (they told us) cost savings in line with their austerity programme.
So here we are, suffering the consequences of their gross miserly incompetence.
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10/02/2021 13:44:10 0 0
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I can remember the days (a long time ago) when our local hospital had an associated Convalescent Home. That ensured that bed blocking wasn't a problem. It disappeared years ago in a reorganisation.
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DSA
10/02/2021 11:24:22 5 2
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Putting care fully into the control of local councils would be like having the village idiot as the inmates GP.
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10/02/2021 11:24:41 8 1
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The majority of my council tax already goes to social care and not to fixing up the actual place I live in which is falling to bits left, right and centre.

The system is broken. All those youngsters causing trouble need a way into work. All those on jobseekers should be given the low wage council jobs instead of importing workers for it.

Make people learn to love who with and where they live.
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10/02/2021 16:43:16 1 0
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I think the youngsters (or oldsters for that matter) causing trouble should have benefits removed and be put in prison!
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10/02/2021 11:26:46 11 6
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Don't allow Labour controlled local authorities to have any part in such a move. That would be like putting a bunch of ants in control of a bag of sugar.
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10/02/2021 12:35:13 4 0
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Maybe give it to Bozo to organise - so say we have £1m to spend - 20% profit to the friend who he spoke to, 20% profit to his mates wife to contract it out, 20% profit to the contractor then 20% profit to its subcontractor (probs serco or g4s) So we'd get £200k of care for £1Million -just like Didos T&T system (£3k a day for a consultant!) or PPE from a jewelery company -the Tories love OUR money
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10/02/2021 11:26:50 24 6
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I wouldn't trust my local council to run a bath.
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10/02/2021 11:54:28 9 7
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Your neighbours voted for them

Did you vote

Could you do better if so stop whinging and let's see some action from you
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10/02/2021 12:03:35 3 0
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Who then do you suggest?
Madness to allow corrupt and incompetant Labour councils anywhere near the purse strings.
Have we learned nothing from the past ?
You only have to look at what has and is going on in Liverpool
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10/02/2021 11:27:14 4 0
bbc
Come on then you Bozo bottom licker, enlighten us with with your vast knowledge of lies and stupidity. What is going on in Liverpool. The
city volunteered for mass testing, resulting in infection rates plummeting.
Be brave for once, and if for once you can give an honest answer ( which I doubt) tell us where you live.
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10/02/2021 11:27:38 7 5
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Councils running anything more complicated than a whelk stall is a recipe for disaster. They will employ an army of managers on stupid high wages then employ another army of low paid serfs to do the actual work. They will be incapable of talking to the NHS and OAP's will still end up being turfed out of hospitals at 3am!!. If councils are so good at running care homes why have they shut so many
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10/02/2021 11:30:47 4 5
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If Councils where in charge, PC minorities would get everything for free.
the rest of us would pay through the nose (and have no rights).
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10/02/2021 11:31:26 10 2
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The austerity cuts to local authority budgets from central govt grant is £16billion.

That’s about 75% of the money wasted in less than a year by Dido Harding’s failure of track & trace.

I know who I’d rather have using this money.
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10/02/2021 12:12:24 1 0
bbc
No one has been sacked for Dido Hardings failure nor the Turkish PPE scandal, first thing to do is to sack and imprison them.
Local authorities should be funded at a fixed rate per person. No other fund raising allowed (no local tax, no car parking charges, no fees for swimming pools, gyms, planning etc)
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10/02/2021 11:32:30 8 6
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Utter madness to allow Labour run councils to have control over Care budgets.
The Government should be reducing money loony Left councils can spend not adding to it.
I could give examples but the North Koreans the BBC employ as censors are out in force.
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10/02/2021 11:40:04 3 4
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I think you have been influenced too much by the toxic poison in the gutter press. Anyway this is talking about local councils delivering care, funding is a separate issue and central support would be needed.
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10/02/2021 11:40:09 1 1
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Rubbish - dont put ANY local council in chanrge they are all useless - full of little "Hitlers" up there own "bsides". Councils in general waste more money than local government. Plus it should not be a post code lottery. 1 nation 1 vote each 1 govt 1 democracy any else is just bureaucracy - a bit like the EU - as the EU leader says "Tanker via a speedboat" anf councils fall into the former IMHO
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10/02/2021 12:19:33 0 0
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Maybe give it to Bozo to organise - so say we have £1m to spend - 20% profit to the friend who he spoke to, 20% profit to his mates wife to contract it out, 20% profit to the contractor then 20% profit to its subcontractor (probs serco or g4s) So we'd get £200k of care for £1Million -just like Didos T&T system (£3k a day for a consultant!) or PPE from a jewelery company -the Tories help themselves
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10/02/2021 15:51:20 0 0
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I am not surprised at your comment as 'Freedom of Speech' the bastion of our democratic nation' does not apply to the BBC who seem to be pioneering a new form of political correctness. Based on the premise that you can say anything as long as it does not offend anybody in any minority group - even if it is factual!
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10/02/2021 11:32:42 1 0
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BEST put the citizen (or parent or guardian) 'in the driving seat'. With equal incomes our votes in the market will provide for most in financial independence (alone or family care or residential), leaving only special care (nursing) for provision by the state and - ahead of such - by truly blue-sky voluntary charitable initiatives. In equal-partnership, we will KNOW real representative democracy
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10/02/2021 11:34:41 5 4
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Another divisive postcode lottery; another blame-shifting exercise. It's what the tories do best.
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10/02/2021 12:09:41 3 0
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Oh, do stop the Tory bashing ... I'm sure it was Utopia living under the last Labour government, everything was almost perfect and when it wasn't the minister accepted full responsibility for it - these are politicians we're talking about, they're all the same at deflecting responsibility.
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10/02/2021 11:36:17 20 4
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Social Care in the hands of local government - Postcode Lottery anyone?
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10/02/2021 11:53:24 4 3
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Absolutely. Decentralising decision making inevitably means different decisions in different parts of the country. Just look at the NHS and IVF, as one of many examples.

Much of the justification, local knowledge, is wrong or irrelevant. And then there's the pressures on local govt to spend their funds elsewhere (e.g. the latest focus by the media on perceived inadequacies)
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10/02/2021 14:43:35 1 0
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Social care has to be properly funded by central government under whatever bureaucratic system is set up to run it. That has been the real problem for decades, exacerbated (vast understatement) by Tory cuts (no funding at all) since 2010.

It's a moot point complaining about councils when the truth is they have never been properly funded to deal with social care.
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10/02/2021 11:32:30 8 6
bbc
Utter madness to allow Labour run councils to have control over Care budgets.
The Government should be reducing money loony Left councils can spend not adding to it.
I could give examples but the North Koreans the BBC employ as censors are out in force.
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10/02/2021 11:40:04 3 4
bbc
I think you have been influenced too much by the toxic poison in the gutter press. Anyway this is talking about local councils delivering care, funding is a separate issue and central support would be needed.
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10/02/2021 11:32:30 8 6
bbc
Utter madness to allow Labour run councils to have control over Care budgets.
The Government should be reducing money loony Left councils can spend not adding to it.
I could give examples but the North Koreans the BBC employ as censors are out in force.
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10/02/2021 11:40:09 1 1
bbc
Rubbish - dont put ANY local council in chanrge they are all useless - full of little "Hitlers" up there own "bsides". Councils in general waste more money than local government. Plus it should not be a post code lottery. 1 nation 1 vote each 1 govt 1 democracy any else is just bureaucracy - a bit like the EU - as the EU leader says "Tanker via a speedboat" anf councils fall into the former IMHO
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10/02/2021 11:52:31 0 0
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Its the people who elected these councillors

If voters paid more attention to who they elect rather than a party and more people voted we might get somewhere

Far too many councillors are elected repeatedly by a low turnout and the colour of a rosette
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10/02/2021 11:40:47 3 1
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Social Care should become an integral part of the NHS.

Accompanied my late mum to numerous meetings with GPs, Clinical Psychiatrists, Social Worker Managers then Care Home tours. Then discovered that she had been incorrectly diagnosed with Early Onset Dementia & finished her days in her own wee house - having a mix of Crossroads, Social Care & Private Services augmented by family. Need 1 stop.
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10/02/2021 11:55:17 1 0
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I have exactly the same scenario with my dear old mother-in-law. I couldn't agree more with your point. At any given time the situation is somewhere between frustrating and heartbreaking simply trying to make sure she gets the right services at the right times.
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10/02/2021 11:42:15 3 0
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Social care is difficult.

We have become very good at saving and prolonging life, but that leaves a growing number of people needing a high level of social care.

About 1.5 million are employed in social care, millions more caring for relations.

We need technology to make caring for people easier, (domestic appliances has made looking after a house easier) and better ways of funding/organising.
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10/02/2021 12:04:05 1 0
bbc
Technology to do this is available. However I would say that technology is rarely the answer as its all done pretty badly (just had the 3rd factory reset of an android one phone because it once again managed to break itself and its data, and yes, cant make a phone how are you going to do a driverless car?)
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10/02/2021 11:49:10 3 0
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The problem is that no one has any idea how to fix the social care problem. It's been allowed to jog along getting nowhere by successive governments all of who have come up with plans that either didn't work or were not implemented. This latest incarnation may well be yet one more instance of plans going nowhere. We can only hope it they get it right.
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10/02/2021 11:40:09 1 1
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Rubbish - dont put ANY local council in chanrge they are all useless - full of little "Hitlers" up there own "bsides". Councils in general waste more money than local government. Plus it should not be a post code lottery. 1 nation 1 vote each 1 govt 1 democracy any else is just bureaucracy - a bit like the EU - as the EU leader says "Tanker via a speedboat" anf councils fall into the former IMHO
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10/02/2021 11:52:31 0 0
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Its the people who elected these councillors

If voters paid more attention to who they elect rather than a party and more people voted we might get somewhere

Far too many councillors are elected repeatedly by a low turnout and the colour of a rosette
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10/02/2021 11:53:14 8 4
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My council is at best dysfunctional.
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10/02/2021 12:01:29 0 0
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Lot of it about ??
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10/02/2021 12:18:57 2 0
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Well your neighbours elected them

So get over it
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10/02/2021 16:45:58 0 0
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I have total contempt for my council and indeed councils in general
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10/02/2021 11:36:17 20 4
bbc
Social Care in the hands of local government - Postcode Lottery anyone?
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10/02/2021 11:53:24 4 3
bbc
Absolutely. Decentralising decision making inevitably means different decisions in different parts of the country. Just look at the NHS and IVF, as one of many examples.

Much of the justification, local knowledge, is wrong or irrelevant. And then there's the pressures on local govt to spend their funds elsewhere (e.g. the latest focus by the media on perceived inadequacies)
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10/02/2021 11:26:50 24 6
bbc
I wouldn't trust my local council to run a bath.
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10/02/2021 11:54:28 9 7
bbc
Your neighbours voted for them

Did you vote

Could you do better if so stop whinging and let's see some action from you
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11/02/2021 11:40:51 1 0
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Frankly my daughters hamster could do better (though it couldnt fiddle the expenses as well). I stood a while ago but the stupid sheep that are the UK public voted as they always vote for in the area for the same old blue rosette DESPITE the abuses published in all the local papers and news (back handers to friends and family, wasted money, silencing of critics etc etc - worse than N. Korea)
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10/02/2021 11:55:07 1 0
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Social care is expensive and no one wants to pay the taxes to fund it.

Remember Tressas climb 2 elections ago?
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10/02/2021 11:40:47 3 1
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Social Care should become an integral part of the NHS.

Accompanied my late mum to numerous meetings with GPs, Clinical Psychiatrists, Social Worker Managers then Care Home tours. Then discovered that she had been incorrectly diagnosed with Early Onset Dementia & finished her days in her own wee house - having a mix of Crossroads, Social Care & Private Services augmented by family. Need 1 stop.
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10/02/2021 11:55:17 1 0
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I have exactly the same scenario with my dear old mother-in-law. I couldn't agree more with your point. At any given time the situation is somewhere between frustrating and heartbreaking simply trying to make sure she gets the right services at the right times.
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10/02/2021 11:52:37 6 3
bbc
Putting local councils in charge of social care is a chilling prospect. A lot of these Councils and Councillors are inept and their knowledge of social care needs is highly questionable. It may help to deflect the blame from central Gov but it is the wrong way to go.
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10/02/2021 11:55:22 1 1
bbc
We used to have convalescent homes.
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10/02/2021 11:15:05 12 6
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The Tories are shameful when it comes to cutting health budgets. Most Tory Mps go private because they are well off.
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10/02/2021 11:56:16 3 0
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Yes and they get full support for these cuts from the voters

So the blame for these cuts is with the tory voters
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10/02/2021 16:44:58 0 0
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you mean the massive majority?
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10/02/2021 11:58:10 9 3
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Given the ability of local councils I wouldnt put them in the driving seat of a tractor never mind anything else. Fund councils from central tax by head of population and remove their ability to charge local tax or for services (swimming pools, gyms, car parks, planning etc etc) and save us all a lot of grief and get rid of a lot of accountants.
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10/02/2021 13:58:06 1 0
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I'm sure the Labour councils would thank you for levelling the playing field. The Tories though would be up in arms.

As things stand due to the higher number of residents in need and lower levels of business in poor areas the lack of central funding means Labour areas are forced to impose much higher council taxes to raise the money to provide services as needed.
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10/02/2021 12:00:46 4 2
bbc
Successive Govts have failed to sort out the NHS - brilliant though clinical staff are, and most staff of all types work very hard (in my experience - 5yrs in the NHS), the service is grossly inefficient and wasteful, and generally very badly organised. I have no confidence social care will be significantly improved, especially in the hands of local govt.
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10/02/2021 13:55:11 0 0
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The NHS costs the UK 6.8% of GDP (before Covid), this is way below the levels spent by other developed countries on their health systems.

UK health system is at historically low funding levels https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infographics/health-spending-as-a-share-of-gdp-remains-at-lowest-level-in

Tory cuts
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10/02/2021 11:53:14 8 4
bbc
My council is at best dysfunctional.
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10/02/2021 12:01:29 0 0
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Lot of it about ??
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10/02/2021 11:26:50 24 6
bbc
I wouldn't trust my local council to run a bath.
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10/02/2021 12:03:35 3 0
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Who then do you suggest?
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10/02/2021 16:35:12 1 1
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The problem with councillors & people who work at councils (in general) is they are a certain 'type'. Either they want an easy life, 9-5, difficult to be sacked, gold pension, no pressure, fab hols, overpaid etc or cant hold down a job in industry OR they are power crazed & deluded wannabee politicians. Either way there is no hope. Make all councils private sector & we might get somewhere.
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10/02/2021 11:42:15 3 0
bbc
Social care is difficult.

We have become very good at saving and prolonging life, but that leaves a growing number of people needing a high level of social care.

About 1.5 million are employed in social care, millions more caring for relations.

We need technology to make caring for people easier, (domestic appliances has made looking after a house easier) and better ways of funding/organising.
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10/02/2021 12:04:05 1 0
bbc
Technology to do this is available. However I would say that technology is rarely the answer as its all done pretty badly (just had the 3rd factory reset of an android one phone because it once again managed to break itself and its data, and yes, cant make a phone how are you going to do a driverless car?)
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10/02/2021 11:14:36 5 8
bbc
They may have one or two other priorities at the moment don't you think?
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10/02/2021 12:07:11 1 0
bbc
They can only do one thing @ a time, Brexit took them FIVE years while nothing else was achieved. Multi tasking is a NO NO.
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10/02/2021 11:01:24 16 4
bbc
Can you imagine putting people like those on Handforth Council in charge on anything?
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10/02/2021 12:08:24 6 0
bbc
Oh I don't know looking around they could be an improvement ?
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10/02/2021 11:34:41 5 4
bbc
Another divisive postcode lottery; another blame-shifting exercise. It's what the tories do best.
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10/02/2021 12:09:41 3 0
bbc
Oh, do stop the Tory bashing ... I'm sure it was Utopia living under the last Labour government, everything was almost perfect and when it wasn't the minister accepted full responsibility for it - these are politicians we're talking about, they're all the same at deflecting responsibility.
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10/02/2021 11:31:26 10 2
bbc
The austerity cuts to local authority budgets from central govt grant is £16billion.

That’s about 75% of the money wasted in less than a year by Dido Harding’s failure of track & trace.

I know who I’d rather have using this money.
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10/02/2021 12:12:24 1 0
bbc
No one has been sacked for Dido Hardings failure nor the Turkish PPE scandal, first thing to do is to sack and imprison them.
Local authorities should be funded at a fixed rate per person. No other fund raising allowed (no local tax, no car parking charges, no fees for swimming pools, gyms, planning etc)
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DG
10/02/2021 12:12:46 4 2
bbc
We need to start paying care staff a living wage and stop these agencies and Councils ripping them off.
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10/02/2021 12:13:52 3 2
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Yeah, because they’ve done really well in keeping Covid out if care homes.
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10/02/2021 13:50:46 0 0
bbc
That has nothing to do with local councils.

The decision to discharge elderly patients to care homes without requiring a test was made by PHE (a gov dept set up by the Tories in 2012)
The care homes themselves are almost all now private enterprises as a result of years of Tory cuts to council funding.

So the failure is purely down to the Conservative government.
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10/02/2021 12:17:07 1 0
bbc
Easy to carp at either 'the failure' or else 'the excess' of provision (either for ourselves or unknown disregarded others), we will not 'know and trust' the conscience and 'efficiency' of others until we understand and establish real equal-partnership democracy. We are blessed as well as cursed by evidence abounding, perhaps before too late, all or most to see our need of escape from corruption.
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10/02/2021 12:18:12 3 6
bbc
Many people whinge about local councils yet refuse to put themselves forward for election

Many don't bother to vote and those that do don't pay enough attention to the candidates

Local councils are NOT the same as MPs and have far greater say in your local communities

Voting for a party is blinkered at a GE but beyond blinkered ignorance at local council level
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10/02/2021 12:35:09 1 1
bbc
Makes no difference where it matters.
Our local council was taken over by a local residents party, to the shock of the complacent main one. So now their mates in government just overrule planning denials. The system is corrupt so mates get to sell green fields for millions. That is a council's purpose on the whole, and by those that take up being a councillor.
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10/02/2021 12:50:54 0 1
bbc
We,ve got Liberal Democrats on our council - all they want to do is ban everything - power mad little Napoleons the lot of them...
55
10/02/2021 12:17:40 6 6
bbc
Councils are notoriously inefficient and often incompetent in the supply of services and the spending of our money
Until councils become more transparent and competent in the spending they are the last group I would give over a billion pounds to
58
10/02/2021 12:21:22 3 2
bbc
You elected them
103
10/02/2021 13:46:25 0 0
bbc
Nah that is just you swallowing the right wing propaganda.
Councils are really very efficient if you analyse the figures objectively and compare them to other businesses or organisations, but obviously that doesn't fit with what you want to believe, so you ignore the facts and accept the propaganda without question.
34
10/02/2021 11:53:14 8 4
bbc
My council is at best dysfunctional.
56
10/02/2021 12:18:57 2 0
bbc
Well your neighbours elected them

So get over it
24
10/02/2021 11:32:30 8 6
bbc
Utter madness to allow Labour run councils to have control over Care budgets.
The Government should be reducing money loony Left councils can spend not adding to it.
I could give examples but the North Koreans the BBC employ as censors are out in force.
57
10/02/2021 12:19:33 0 0
bbc
Maybe give it to Bozo to organise - so say we have £1m to spend - 20% profit to the friend who he spoke to, 20% profit to his mates wife to contract it out, 20% profit to the contractor then 20% profit to its subcontractor (probs serco or g4s) So we'd get £200k of care for £1Million -just like Didos T&T system (£3k a day for a consultant!) or PPE from a jewelery company -the Tories help themselves
55
10/02/2021 12:17:40 6 6
bbc
Councils are notoriously inefficient and often incompetent in the supply of services and the spending of our money
Until councils become more transparent and competent in the spending they are the last group I would give over a billion pounds to
58
10/02/2021 12:21:22 3 2
bbc
You elected them
59
10/02/2021 12:21:32 8 5
bbc
Not convinced this would help at all. Look at the major cities. Majority run by a Labour Council/Mayor and thousands of Homeless on the streets. Obviously this all Boris's fault and not the council leaders.
60
10/02/2021 12:23:51 5 4
bbc
Yes, it's all Boris's fault. Glad that you realise this.
61
10/02/2021 12:24:04 2 1
bbc
Who elected these councillors you whinge about
63
10/02/2021 12:24:25 1 3
bbc
Saint Andy Burnham promised (sic) that Manchester would be free of homeless if he was elected.......
I dont hear they left highlighting these lies
96
10/02/2021 13:40:57 0 1
bbc
Well before Boris took charge in London they had got the homelessness problem in hand. Once he took over it spiralled out of control along with violent crime, etc...
So yep it's fair enough to blame Boris for that.
59
10/02/2021 12:21:32 8 5
bbc
Not convinced this would help at all. Look at the major cities. Majority run by a Labour Council/Mayor and thousands of Homeless on the streets. Obviously this all Boris's fault and not the council leaders.
60
10/02/2021 12:23:51 5 4
bbc
Yes, it's all Boris's fault. Glad that you realise this.
59
10/02/2021 12:21:32 8 5
bbc
Not convinced this would help at all. Look at the major cities. Majority run by a Labour Council/Mayor and thousands of Homeless on the streets. Obviously this all Boris's fault and not the council leaders.
61
10/02/2021 12:24:04 2 1
bbc
Who elected these councillors you whinge about
62
10/02/2021 12:25:05 3 2
bbc
OMG Joke right?
59
10/02/2021 12:21:32 8 5
bbc
Not convinced this would help at all. Look at the major cities. Majority run by a Labour Council/Mayor and thousands of Homeless on the streets. Obviously this all Boris's fault and not the council leaders.
63
10/02/2021 12:24:25 1 3
bbc
Saint Andy Burnham promised (sic) that Manchester would be free of homeless if he was elected.......
I dont hear they left highlighting these lies
76
10/02/2021 12:43:22 2 1
bbc
Surely it was a prediction, and not a lie? I bet you voted for Brexit.
100
10/02/2021 13:43:52 0 1
bbc
When Labour left power in 2010 UK homelessness was down to very low levels. It was basically just the really hard to reach cases with mental health and substance abuse issues.
Since the Tories gained power it has exploded with many people on the streets who's only issue is they suddenly lost their jobs or their relationships broke down.

But you prefer to spout Tory lies I see...
64
10/02/2021 12:25:10 4 5
bbc
Put councils in charge, my what an oxymoron.

Can’t think of anything more negative just take a look at London councils, they would have to arrange a committee then a workshop to see if it was PC, and that it is promoting minorities, and of course has to be equal opportunities for all employees to be interviewed for the position
65
10/02/2021 12:29:01 7 4
bbc
No surprise here. Local Authorities want to keep their gravy train going......

We could save £3Bn a year if local authorities were rationalized to1 unitary authority per county.....

As for social care, hand it to the NHS. Our aging population has not suddenly happened overnight. Local Authorities have had plenty of time to plan ahead & have failed, choosing to milk residence for money instead
66
10/02/2021 12:29:04 1 4
bbc
WHY NOT put the citizen (or parent or guardian) 'in the driving seat'. With EQUAL incomes our 'votes in the market' will provide financial independence for most (alone or family care or residential), leaving only special-care nursing for provision by the state and (ahead of such) by truly blue-sky voluntary charitable initiatives. As equal-partners we will KNOW real representative LA democracy.
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10/02/2021 12:34:40 0 2
bbc
&how do you propose to pay for equal incomes?
67
10/02/2021 12:31:05 6 4
bbc
we pay for a private carer to help look after my 91 year old mum,she does the stuff as a son i cant do.she is brilliant.social services were originally involved after a stay in hospital,they were useless,didnt turn up,endless form filling and visits from people who didnt seem to do anything except delegate to another department who you couldnt get in contact with
68
10/02/2021 12:31:09 5 5
bbc
Councils say give us more money shock news.

Just a fat cat public sector spat of whose petty empire gets more money. Public loses either way.
69
10/02/2021 12:31:50 4 0
bbc
Posted by Nairn Shire
Social Care should become an integral part of the NHS.
==
In principle I agree with you. Social Care is a statutory duty placed on local councils.

The main problem has become distinguishing old age problems like washing & cooking from health problems associated with any age, even younger people unable to support themselves, known as Adult Social Care.

70
10/02/2021 12:34:32 4 3
bbc
The Handforth Council pantomime shows exactly why this is a bad idea on so many levels. Idiots elected to councils. Unelected bureaucrats openly overriding elected officials and ignoring standing orders acting as dictators. This is not a one off. Just got caught out.
66
10/02/2021 12:29:04 1 4
bbc
WHY NOT put the citizen (or parent or guardian) 'in the driving seat'. With EQUAL incomes our 'votes in the market' will provide financial independence for most (alone or family care or residential), leaving only special-care nursing for provision by the state and (ahead of such) by truly blue-sky voluntary charitable initiatives. As equal-partners we will KNOW real representative LA democracy.
71
10/02/2021 12:34:40 0 2
bbc
&how do you propose to pay for equal incomes?
78
10/02/2021 12:45:02 1 1
bbc
Educate all on universal 'indebtedness to context', on contribution being 'its own reward', on representation requiring representativeness (at the least residence in the 'same economic universe', family and friends and fellow-citizens all agreed as income-equal partners); on urgent need for 'rule by conscience' not by fear and corruption. You KNOW it makes sense. WHO tells otherwise, and WHY?
54
10/02/2021 12:18:12 3 6
bbc
Many people whinge about local councils yet refuse to put themselves forward for election

Many don't bother to vote and those that do don't pay enough attention to the candidates

Local councils are NOT the same as MPs and have far greater say in your local communities

Voting for a party is blinkered at a GE but beyond blinkered ignorance at local council level
72
10/02/2021 12:35:09 1 1
bbc
Makes no difference where it matters.
Our local council was taken over by a local residents party, to the shock of the complacent main one. So now their mates in government just overrule planning denials. The system is corrupt so mates get to sell green fields for millions. That is a council's purpose on the whole, and by those that take up being a councillor.
18
10/02/2021 11:26:46 11 6
bbc
Don't allow Labour controlled local authorities to have any part in such a move. That would be like putting a bunch of ants in control of a bag of sugar.
73
10/02/2021 12:35:13 4 0
bbc
Maybe give it to Bozo to organise - so say we have £1m to spend - 20% profit to the friend who he spoke to, 20% profit to his mates wife to contract it out, 20% profit to the contractor then 20% profit to its subcontractor (probs serco or g4s) So we'd get £200k of care for £1Million -just like Didos T&T system (£3k a day for a consultant!) or PPE from a jewelery company -the Tories love OUR money
74
10/02/2021 12:38:02 10 1
bbc
Give adult social care to the NHS (& make the NHS truly national - rationalize the number of trusts etc. to reduce duplication & remove postcode lottery)

Create a National Education Service.

Then rationalize Local Authorities to 1 unitary authority per county (saving £3Bn pa) & for hyper localism increase role of Parish Councils
159
10/02/2021 16:41:36 1 0
bbc
Recipe for disaster. Parish councillors are in general old or underemployed people with too much time on their hands and axes to grind/self interests to spew on everyone. They think they are too important already, where in reality they are mostly bitter, sad, self important individuals who like being on committees. They should be scrapped not given more powers!
10
10/02/2021 11:14:36 5 8
bbc
They may have one or two other priorities at the moment don't you think?
75
10/02/2021 12:43:11 1 0
bbc
Jesus, what have they been concentrating on the fiasco of Covid or the fiasco of Brexit? There's many many departments of government, they can and should be looking at everything...
63
10/02/2021 12:24:25 1 3
bbc
Saint Andy Burnham promised (sic) that Manchester would be free of homeless if he was elected.......
I dont hear they left highlighting these lies
76
10/02/2021 12:43:22 2 1
bbc
Surely it was a prediction, and not a lie? I bet you voted for Brexit.
77
10/02/2021 12:43:56 3 3
bbc
Ive seen a lot of corruption involving councils so this is a big NO NO.
Boris and his mates are well capable of filtering the till.
87
10/02/2021 13:10:07 5 1
bbc
Boris and his mates have been giving trillions away to their useless chums. They have redefined the word corruption. Look in many modern dictionary's next to the word corruption it has the words "Useless Tory clowns"
71
10/02/2021 12:34:40 0 2
bbc
&how do you propose to pay for equal incomes?
78
10/02/2021 12:45:02 1 1
bbc
Educate all on universal 'indebtedness to context', on contribution being 'its own reward', on representation requiring representativeness (at the least residence in the 'same economic universe', family and friends and fellow-citizens all agreed as income-equal partners); on urgent need for 'rule by conscience' not by fear and corruption. You KNOW it makes sense. WHO tells otherwise, and WHY?
79
10/02/2021 12:46:59 8 7
bbc
The less local councils control the better- my council are rubbish - and I think they are the rule rather than the exception...
88
10/02/2021 13:10:07 1 4
bbc
To be fair most council's could not manage a paper round, so sad, once they get the badge the cause is forgotton.
93
10/02/2021 13:36:28 1 0
bbc
Your local council is probably having to provide more services with less money every year, year after year, as a result of Tory budget cuts.
That is likely why the service appears to be 'rubbish', but don't expect the government to accept that, after all the Tories will always default to blaming the victims.
54
10/02/2021 12:18:12 3 6
bbc
Many people whinge about local councils yet refuse to put themselves forward for election

Many don't bother to vote and those that do don't pay enough attention to the candidates

Local councils are NOT the same as MPs and have far greater say in your local communities

Voting for a party is blinkered at a GE but beyond blinkered ignorance at local council level
80
10/02/2021 12:50:54 0 1
bbc
We,ve got Liberal Democrats on our council - all they want to do is ban everything - power mad little Napoleons the lot of them...
81
10/02/2021 12:51:04 6 6
bbc
So a council-funded report has found that councils should retain responsibility for social care. They have also said that they could save £1.6bn, yet for years councils have been telling us that social care is underfunded by about £2bn a tear. So if there are savings to be made, why haven't they made them, and use the money to expand and improve social care?
97
10/02/2021 13:41:53 1 0
bbc
You answered your own question. Restore council funding to pre-Conservative levels. Problem solved.
82
10/02/2021 12:51:53 0 5
bbc
FIRST educate: on universal 'indebtedness to context', on contribution being 'its own reward', on representation requiring representativeness (at the least residence in the 'same economic universe', family and friends and fellow-citizens all agreed as income-equal partners); on urgent need for 'rule by conscience' not by fear and corruption. You KNOW it makes sense. WHO tells otherwise, and WHY?
83
10/02/2021 12:54:29 13 2
bbc
If the Government wants to hand over full responsiblity to local authorities for social care it all has to fully fund them - otherwise it is a poison challice the Gov. would love to pass on.
134
10/02/2021 14:44:59 3 0
bbc
Absolutely!
145
10/02/2021 15:35:51 0 0
bbc
Do not give Local Authorities any more money, they cannot properly manage the billions they already have. They are an economic and social disaster!
84
10/02/2021 13:02:55 3 0
bbc
Social Services is what it says it is and should be the responsibility of Local Authorities but it must be funded by the Government. Council Tax payers are being fleeced at the moment with huge increases in council tax.
92
10/02/2021 13:32:56 2 1
bbc
Council tax is a political construct that favours the Tories and lets them blame the victims

Live in a poor area with a lot of people in need of services, lots of elderly and sick people, well you will have fewer businesses or big houses to generate council tax so a higher council tax bill.
Live in a wealthy area with few people in need and lots of big houses, you get a nice low council tax bill.
95
10/02/2021 13:40:25 1 0
bbc
First decent response from you. Well done. Last sentence is misleading. Council funding has been decimated by Conservative governments. Proper funding is required.
85
10/02/2021 13:03:38 1 0
bbc
It has got to be done with local health boards , otherwise nothing will get done.
86
10/02/2021 13:04:06 8 1
bbc
Probably best to give it to the NHS. A myriad local councils will all have different approaches of different levels of quality. If it's left with central government the Treasury, with its cost minimisation mentality, will just take over and old folk will end up being warehoused by whichever private sector organisation bids the lowest.
91
10/02/2021 13:29:35 5 3
bbc
Not so much bids the lowest as whichever one offers the best sweeteners to the Tories. We have seen the cronyism and 'dubious' practises they used to award contract throughout the Covid crisis, this would be no different.
77
10/02/2021 12:43:56 3 3
bbc
Ive seen a lot of corruption involving councils so this is a big NO NO.
Boris and his mates are well capable of filtering the till.
87
10/02/2021 13:10:07 5 1
bbc
Boris and his mates have been giving trillions away to their useless chums. They have redefined the word corruption. Look in many modern dictionary's next to the word corruption it has the words "Useless Tory clowns"
79
10/02/2021 12:46:59 8 7
bbc
The less local councils control the better- my council are rubbish - and I think they are the rule rather than the exception...
88
10/02/2021 13:10:07 1 4
bbc
To be fair most council's could not manage a paper round, so sad, once they get the badge the cause is forgotton.
89
10/02/2021 13:14:54 1 2
bbc
For responsibility beyond 'struggle in vain', elected or appointed, local or national, we need to ensure the empowerment of citizens as equals (in a shared market-economy), contributors as able in-conscience (any penalties earned) and democratic directors in spending-choice (with equal-purses). With family and friends ALL 'representative', we CAN raise 'people and planet' above profit-signals.
90
10/02/2021 13:27:24 3 3
bbc
OK put councils in charge of social care.

But provide them the funding to deliver it.

The problems the councils currently have is that the Tories have massively cut their funding, but still expect them to deliver everything.
The government is slow to fund any actions needed, quick to claim the credit if anything is a success, but always eager to blame the victims of government cuts for failures
117
10/02/2021 14:05:10 0 1
bbc
Overton window shifted by Thatcher and Blair, ambition in return to the Good Old Days of paternalistic Labour, forlorn hope from a Tory Brexit government ready to put up with 'opposition' only if Tory-Lite, our 'free' captive-press and 'impartial' cowed PSB and dragooned 'survivors of genocide' ever ready to be used in fresh McCarthyite vilification of even the 'decent', let alone the democratic.
119
10/02/2021 14:05:58 0 0
bbc
The performance of councils means if you want them to do something they will create a whole pile of jobs and managment and management of management etc. and accountant jobs etc etc to work it and thus will always claim they dont have the money
86
10/02/2021 13:04:06 8 1
bbc
Probably best to give it to the NHS. A myriad local councils will all have different approaches of different levels of quality. If it's left with central government the Treasury, with its cost minimisation mentality, will just take over and old folk will end up being warehoused by whichever private sector organisation bids the lowest.
91
10/02/2021 13:29:35 5 3
bbc
Not so much bids the lowest as whichever one offers the best sweeteners to the Tories. We have seen the cronyism and 'dubious' practises they used to award contract throughout the Covid crisis, this would be no different.
120
10/02/2021 14:06:38 0 2
bbc
No, its the best sweeteners to the civil servants that make the decisions, just as it is under Labour
84
10/02/2021 13:02:55 3 0
bbc
Social Services is what it says it is and should be the responsibility of Local Authorities but it must be funded by the Government. Council Tax payers are being fleeced at the moment with huge increases in council tax.
92
10/02/2021 13:32:56 2 1
bbc
Council tax is a political construct that favours the Tories and lets them blame the victims

Live in a poor area with a lot of people in need of services, lots of elderly and sick people, well you will have fewer businesses or big houses to generate council tax so a higher council tax bill.
Live in a wealthy area with few people in need and lots of big houses, you get a nice low council tax bill.
167
11/02/2021 08:21:41 0 0
bbc
Time to scrap local tax. Fund from central tax per person. Simple enough.
Think further and you can remove ALL taxes bar one. Whether thats a sales tax or an income tax doesnt matter. Same rate for companies and people. Add a fixed flat benefit and you dont even need tax allowances etc. All becomes fair. You dont starve but the more you earn the better you are.
168
11/02/2021 08:32:00 0 0
bbc
Clearly not something the Labour party didnt find favourable when they were in power. This country needs to cut the number of taxes and benefits. One of each would be the right number. One benefit to stp you starving, one tax to fund the government. It would create a million or so unemployed from the civil service but maybe they can get real productive jobs.
79
10/02/2021 12:46:59 8 7
bbc
The less local councils control the better- my council are rubbish - and I think they are the rule rather than the exception...
93
10/02/2021 13:36:28 1 0
bbc
Your local council is probably having to provide more services with less money every year, year after year, as a result of Tory budget cuts.
That is likely why the service appears to be 'rubbish', but don't expect the government to accept that, after all the Tories will always default to blaming the victims.
94
10/02/2021 13:39:19 4 2
bbc
I don't suppose we could educate or encourage people to start making provision for their own care? Who knows, we might even get a few more people to start living within their means.
101
10/02/2021 13:43:56 1 1
bbc
Like paying national insurance, you mean? Oh wait, all that money I pay is to fund care for the current elderly. So you want me to make provision for my own care on top of paying for theirs. Seems a bit of an ask, to be honest
84
10/02/2021 13:02:55 3 0
bbc
Social Services is what it says it is and should be the responsibility of Local Authorities but it must be funded by the Government. Council Tax payers are being fleeced at the moment with huge increases in council tax.
95
10/02/2021 13:40:25 1 0
bbc
First decent response from you. Well done. Last sentence is misleading. Council funding has been decimated by Conservative governments. Proper funding is required.
59
10/02/2021 12:21:32 8 5
bbc
Not convinced this would help at all. Look at the major cities. Majority run by a Labour Council/Mayor and thousands of Homeless on the streets. Obviously this all Boris's fault and not the council leaders.
96
10/02/2021 13:40:57 0 1
bbc
Well before Boris took charge in London they had got the homelessness problem in hand. Once he took over it spiralled out of control along with violent crime, etc...
So yep it's fair enough to blame Boris for that.
81
10/02/2021 12:51:04 6 6
bbc
So a council-funded report has found that councils should retain responsibility for social care. They have also said that they could save £1.6bn, yet for years councils have been telling us that social care is underfunded by about £2bn a tear. So if there are savings to be made, why haven't they made them, and use the money to expand and improve social care?
97
10/02/2021 13:41:53 1 0
bbc
You answered your own question. Restore council funding to pre-Conservative levels. Problem solved.
98
10/02/2021 13:42:53 2 1
bbc
To bring in more funds there needs to be a change to the CT system by removing the cap at band H and introduce a mansion tax.
CT is an easy target for Tory's to raise with over inflation increases year on year because it is a regressive tax.
When Rishi does decide how to increase taxes to cover covid, it will not be by a wealth tax, mansion tax, or anyother tax where Torys have to pay a fair share
99
10/02/2021 13:43:16 2 2
bbc
How will Conservative cronies get their ill-gotten gains if this is passed to local councils ?
63
10/02/2021 12:24:25 1 3
bbc
Saint Andy Burnham promised (sic) that Manchester would be free of homeless if he was elected.......
I dont hear they left highlighting these lies
100
10/02/2021 13:43:52 0 1
bbc
When Labour left power in 2010 UK homelessness was down to very low levels. It was basically just the really hard to reach cases with mental health and substance abuse issues.
Since the Tories gained power it has exploded with many people on the streets who's only issue is they suddenly lost their jobs or their relationships broke down.

But you prefer to spout Tory lies I see...
133
10/02/2021 14:44:42 1 0
bbc
LOL. Dream on. I have been a regular visitor to London since the early 80's and even as far back at the failed GLC and all the labour runs boroughs since, the homeless of London has been out of control. Labour has zero real interest in this, so do the other parties INCLUDING the tories. Labour is equally at fault of ignoring this problem. It needs sorting not point scoring.