NHS reform: 'No better time than now' for changes, says Matt Hancock
11/02/2021 | news | health | 2,326
The aim is for health and social care to join up more, but Labour questions the timing of the move.
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11/02/2021 10:39:56 272 154
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We're still suffering the consequences of the last time the Tories "reformed" the NHS.

They're literally reforming again because of the total pigs ear they made of it last time.

Do not trust them.
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11/02/2021 10:41:45 216 209
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Still waiting for the lies Labour told about it all being "sold off" under brexit. ??
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11/02/2021 11:10:02 28 13
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All political parties have got things wrong. Have you forgotten Blair’s expensive new hospitals. They looked lovely but we are still paying them off.
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11/02/2021 12:06:16 5 3
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Think the Labour MP referenced reforms since 1999 had been hopeless. 1997 to 2010 was Labour I believe. Truth be told our two Party system is the root cause.
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11/02/2021 12:38:38 2 2
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You're quite right. If you look into the details of their proposals you'll find it actually gives more scope for privatisation and remove decision making from local bodies. See
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11/02/2021 12:52:35 0 3
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The biggest mistake ALL GOVERNMENTS have made is to leave any reforms in the hands of the NHS boards. It is ridiculous to just blame the tories.
11/02/2021 13:25:32 1 3
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Was that when Labour brought in PFIs which the NHS is paying for to this day?
11/02/2021 14:13:47 0 1
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No. Let a Labour government throw money at it and recruit an army of managers. That always helps. And they can do the same for the Civil Service while they are at it. At least it will get the unemployment figures down.
11/02/2021 15:03:53 0 1
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NHS waste money..They pay someone £100 to hang pictures
11/02/2021 15:34:54 0 0
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Tony Blaire wrecked the NHS, get your facts right.
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11/02/2021 10:40:27 11 12
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Difficult to fund anything at the moment with a broken economy.
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11/02/2021 10:43:06 5 11
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It is not at all broken. Why would you think that?
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11/02/2021 10:40:34 3 4
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Ist comment wooo hooo, ha ha
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11/02/2021 10:41:39 2 4
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D'oh
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11/02/2021 10:44:48 2 1
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Wrong. If you had typed a few less woo,'s you might have done it.
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11/02/2021 10:41:38 19 12
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Before any changes are made, all employees in the 400 odd statutory NHS organisations must be employed directly by NHS England. Otherwise, as in the past, an employee will take redundancy from one NHS organisation and take a new role in a different NHS organisation and still keep their pay off.
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11/02/2021 10:49:45 8 3
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Or, as has happened in recent years, be forced into a subsidiary organisation (SubCo) with worse terms & conditions. This source may be biased but it covers the basic facts, which can of course be checked elsewhere for balance:
https://keepournhspublic.com/no-to-subcos-in-the-nhs/
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11/02/2021 11:48:10 2 0
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That's the *least* significant thing involved, and has negligible significance on the changes suggested.

You're also completely wrong. Never heard of TUPE?
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11/02/2021 10:40:34 3 4
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Ist comment wooo hooo, ha ha
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11/02/2021 10:41:39 2 4
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D'oh
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11/02/2021 10:41:50 14 11
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"Should not be noticeable to patients" So the point of the proposed change is?
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11/02/2021 10:46:55 18 1
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Precisely. Bloody well hope it IS noticeable to patients. So much needs fixing.
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11/02/2021 10:41:55 30 24
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More taxpayers money to tory cronies no doubt.
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11/02/2021 10:44:33 16 10
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What's labour's excuse in Wales?
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11/02/2021 10:42:10 421 20
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Joining up health and social care is essential for all of us. The current fragmented system is bonkers and broken.
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11/02/2021 10:46:15 389 94
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The current system, created by the Tories in 2012, which split social care from healthcare in the most extreme way & dumped it on the laps of local councils.
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11/02/2021 10:47:20 69 36
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They used to be joined up - then Cameron's government broke them all up. Yes, it would be good to repair that damage but these changes are actually about 'taking back control' centrally as this government doesn't like others being in a decision making role - after all, who could do things better than they can!
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11/02/2021 11:06:41 31 78
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Since 1947 the NHS does more than it was ever envisioned to do with higher population, longer life expectancy and more complex, expensive procedures. Adding to that the red tape and wastefulness it needs a complete rethink. Opticians and dentists are able to blend NHS and private care. Dentistry care is means tested. Perhaps the time has come for those able to to pay a small fee to see the doctor.
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11/02/2021 11:22:18 56 1
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This will only happen if social care is funded through national taxation i.e. income tax, vat, national insurance, corporation tax rather than local council tax
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11/02/2021 11:40:19 15 2
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Hospitals do not seem to have access to the same records as GPs. My mother died at home and then was called several weeks later by two hospitals she had recently been in for hospital appointments and to find out how she was following discharge.

The current system failures go beyond the 2012 restructuring
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11/02/2021 11:51:46 22 10
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The underlying issue is that central government funding of councils has been cut by 26% since 2010. George 'Austerity' Osborne and David 'Austerity' Cameron made this hugely damaging cut to local councils. FULLFACT.
11/02/2021 13:51:05 1 0
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I,m waiting on a hospital eye appointment for 1 issue, but have one next week at the local docs for another issue. I fully expect that next weeks results wont go to the other department as well.
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11/02/2021 10:42:21 23 21
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Let's see the money Hancock. The Tories have internally underfunded the NHS at every opportunity. Given any chance they will cheery pick it to enrich their cronies.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/01/conservatives-underfunding-nhs-made-crisis-inevitable
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11/02/2021 10:46:27 17 13
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And of course there was loads of investment during the Blair years...I think not to busy funding his wars in the Middle East.
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11/02/2021 10:46:50 5 3
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Spelling not great today :-) . Intentionally and cherry - though both kind of work.
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11/02/2021 10:44:16 7 8
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More money been pumped into to the health service under the tories than Labour ever did. Newstatesman is a lefty remoaner rag.
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11/02/2021 10:49:34 8 4
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Lies lies lies again. The NHS is a bottomless pit, you could give it every penny in the world and it would still complain. The funding goes up every year for it, there has been no starving of funds!
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11/02/2021 10:40:27 11 12
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Difficult to fund anything at the moment with a broken economy.
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11/02/2021 10:43:06 5 11
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It is not at all broken. Why would you think that?
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11/02/2021 11:50:08 1 0
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Says someone obviously retired or still on full pay. Try asking the numerous small businesses that have gone to the wall and the hundreds of thousands of jobs lost in the last 11 months.
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11/02/2021 10:43:28 10 12
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So rolling back reforms that Cameron government made that no one liked....so this should be praised?

Nope.....pretty universally condemned

I would say I'm shocked.....
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11/02/2021 10:46:01 7 9
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Supported by the libs
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11/02/2021 10:43:44 18 15
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No it won't. He's playing to his audience again.
As soon as money comes into it they'll shy away.
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11/02/2021 10:50:39 16 12
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I just hope they don't privatise it like Labour did, it's still costing millions in interest payments.
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11/02/2021 10:45:36 1 3
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Hello Starmer
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Bob
11/02/2021 10:44:13 139 25
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Maybe this time we will be rid of Chairpersons, CEOs and box ticking admin managers. How many hundreds of these jobsworths has The BBC shown on TV making inane comments about what can and cannot be done. The salaries, expenses and other payments could provide and train thousands of direct medical personnel.
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11/02/2021 10:48:59 42 42
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That would be great - but waht leads you to believe it will happen. This is a central government power grab!
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11/02/2021 10:45:18 4 3
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Correct
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11/02/2021 11:28:14 4 2
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Part of the problem is people don’t want to work in direct medicine. 100,000 current vacancies mostly frontline. These careers aren’t attracting new entrants at sustainable levels - this needs to change more than the governance structure.
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11/02/2021 11:37:08 9 3
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As you plainly have no ideas about the roles of anyone in the NHS, nor the legal obligations they are under to have those roles, perhaps you could find out and let us know which legislation you would change first?

Perhaps the compulsory competetive tendering that legally requires a tier of admins etc., as mentioned in this article. WHich you didnt read.
11/02/2021 13:20:24 4 1
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And those thousands of medical you've miraculously conjured up would be doing admin work, genius Bob pure genius...
11/02/2021 13:21:24 6 1
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All organisations require administration, leadership and management. The NHS may have more than its share of incompetent ones, but as a country we seem to undervalue the vital role ofmanagedment and administration.
11/02/2021 14:42:07 1 0
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And throw out all those 'Management Consultants', all large contributors to the Tory Party (or Labour when it's in power) who draw vast amounts of money from the NHS and contribute nothing but misery and confusion
11/02/2021 15:05:35 1 0
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medical personnel are shipped in from poor countries
pat
11/02/2021 17:58:21 0 0
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Layers and layers of Management need to be sifted out
11/02/2021 18:12:18 1 0
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Time to write something like yes minister to show this up. Remember that was based on FACT from the inside. Civil servants run this country for themselves making themselves richer, nothing to do with party A or party B
11/02/2021 22:40:07 0 0
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Obviously the £200b NHS could then run itself . Or would all those extra clinical personnel have to do it in their spare time ? Ever tried to run a £1b hospital group with 15,000 staff ?
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11/02/2021 10:40:34 3 4
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Ist comment wooo hooo, ha ha
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11/02/2021 10:44:48 2 1
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Wrong. If you had typed a few less woo,'s you might have done it.
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11/02/2021 10:46:14 27 24
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Do not trust Tories with the NHS, they just want to sell it to fill their own pockets.
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11/02/2021 10:42:10 421 20
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Joining up health and social care is essential for all of us. The current fragmented system is bonkers and broken.
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11/02/2021 10:46:15 389 94
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The current system, created by the Tories in 2012, which split social care from healthcare in the most extreme way & dumped it on the laps of local councils.
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11/02/2021 10:48:30 71 61
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With the intent of degrading the system so that they can then pretend they want to fix it. Standard Tory methodology over decades.
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11/02/2021 10:47:08 60 45
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What was labours excuse in Wales then?
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11/02/2021 11:00:42 51 35
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I don't know why you are being downvoted, the current change needed is to undo the one the tories did in the first place. Unfortunately there is a time and a place for these changes and it is not during a pandemic
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11/02/2021 11:28:08 47 28
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I seem to recall that the 2012 UK Government was a Cameron / Clegg coalition yet you only remember the Tories and blame them. I wonder why?
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11/02/2021 12:31:54 2 3
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No it wasn't and no it didn't.

I suggest you read the legislation.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/7/section/11/enacted

You may learn something.
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11/02/2021 12:41:18 2 4
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Yawn.
So, what's your views on the reforms and "gifts" to GPs brouht in by Tony Bliar?
Labour, btw...
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mjb
11/02/2021 12:46:00 3 4
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and somewhere, in a darkened room, Corbyn is waving A4 peices of paper about, shouting 'the Torys are going to privatise the NHS' thankfully, no one listens....
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11/02/2021 12:48:23 3 5
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So what were local authority social services departments, which have never been small departments or subject to rationalisation like every other department, been doing since the 1970's?? Duplication of effort, especially in adult services was around then.
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11/02/2021 13:01:15 2 2
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It didn’t work properly before either. Successive govs have tinkered when it needs a total overhaul.
11/02/2021 13:25:24 6 1
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Indeed, then cut funding to councils, so basically back door cuts to the health system
11/02/2021 13:33:25 8 1
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No doubt a "cunning plan" to save central government money so that they can claim that they haven't increased income tax - when all they have really done is pushed the cost onto everyone's burgeoning Council Tax bills - so local councils get the blame.

But don't get me wrong - my local council (Cheshire West & Chester) hasn't been blameless either.
11/02/2021 13:52:43 2 0
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We were well prepared said Hancock early last year , so whats the issue now?
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11/02/2021 10:42:21 23 21
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Let's see the money Hancock. The Tories have internally underfunded the NHS at every opportunity. Given any chance they will cheery pick it to enrich their cronies.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/01/conservatives-underfunding-nhs-made-crisis-inevitable
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11/02/2021 10:46:27 17 13
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And of course there was loads of investment during the Blair years...I think not to busy funding his wars in the Middle East.
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11/02/2021 10:50:58 5 3
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There was a lot of investment - in the form of PFIs, that we are going to be paying back forever and a day, ultimately costing far more than borrowing the money normally would have done.
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11/02/2021 10:46:37 24 7
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Tackling internal bureaucracy and the lack of joined up thinking (as NHS Providers pointed out) is long overdue.

Strip out the layers of bureaucracy, managers et al, and use the process efficiency and savings that result on front line healthcare provision instead.
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11/02/2021 10:52:01 12 13
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Great idea but what makes you think this central power grab will do it?
11/02/2021 19:56:56 0 0
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You have no idea of how little in the way of administrative staff there are in the NHS. The US spends about 6% more of its GDP on healthcare and leaves a swathe of its population uncovered
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11/02/2021 10:42:21 23 21
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Let's see the money Hancock. The Tories have internally underfunded the NHS at every opportunity. Given any chance they will cheery pick it to enrich their cronies.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/01/conservatives-underfunding-nhs-made-crisis-inevitable
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11/02/2021 10:46:50 5 3
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Spelling not great today :-) . Intentionally and cherry - though both kind of work.
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11/02/2021 10:41:50 14 11
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"Should not be noticeable to patients" So the point of the proposed change is?
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11/02/2021 10:46:55 18 1
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Precisely. Bloody well hope it IS noticeable to patients. So much needs fixing.
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11/02/2021 10:40:46 10 12
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If it means the pen pushing wasteful management are held to account more then I'm all for it. Waiting for yet more moaning from the Labour mob now.
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11/02/2021 10:50:49 7 8
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says someone who is on here moaning every day
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11/02/2021 10:42:10 421 20
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Joining up health and social care is essential for all of us. The current fragmented system is bonkers and broken.
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11/02/2021 10:47:20 69 36
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They used to be joined up - then Cameron's government broke them all up. Yes, it would be good to repair that damage but these changes are actually about 'taking back control' centrally as this government doesn't like others being in a decision making role - after all, who could do things better than they can!
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11/02/2021 10:55:38 55 27
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So you think the way it is run now is acceptable! I don't, the government should be the body making decisions not overpaid managers and useless councilors.
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11/02/2021 10:47:23 270 45
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Unfortunately, the NHS has become some kind of sacred cow, that even the merest suggestion that it isn't 100% absolutely perfect is almost sacriledge to some, and taken as some kind of sideswipe at the doctors, nurses, cleaners, porters etc that work so hard under often difficult circumstances.

Until that changes, we will never be able to have a sensible conversation about it.
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11/02/2021 10:52:49 124 100
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Too right. It's a failed organisation.

Lions led by donkeys
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11/02/2021 11:11:39 24 16
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Absolutely correct. Too many people become emotionally-triggered if there is any suggestion that we should move on from a 1945 mentality. It's a major reason why so many of UK trained doctors and nurses are now practising overseas, especially in Australia. I have five in my extended family alone.
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11/02/2021 11:16:11 25 18
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Agreed.

And if anyone suggests changing it the immediate retort is 'do you want to be like the US?' as if there are only two health models in the world... how about the model of any other G7 country?

The fact is that is the NHS didn't exist today you wouldn't invent it.
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11/02/2021 11:35:02 10 14
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Don't vote tory then.
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11/02/2021 12:37:37 8 5
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We could start by removing this pay freeze.

A box of Ferrero Rochers for all the hard work put in during this pandemic only goes so far.
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ben
11/02/2021 12:51:34 5 3
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Just don’t trust the tories with it. No one thinks it’s perfect but we are worried who the “improvements” will be done for.
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11/02/2021 13:17:12 0 2
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Yep. Same for schools
xlr
11/02/2021 13:19:51 7 1
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Reform it by choosing a better government.
11/02/2021 14:09:29 2 8
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It's a sacred cow to those who want everything for free. I'm happy to pay £25 to see a doctor. Think how much the NHS would benefit if we all did that. And how much it would reduce waiting times at the A&E department and your local GP surgery.
11/02/2021 14:12:53 2 0
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Hi, the Far Right have just been on the phone saying they want their ideas back.
More garbage from Clueless Tories.
11/02/2021 14:31:35 0 2
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It's the new religion....don't ye knowe ?
11/02/2021 14:37:34 0 1
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Well said.
11/02/2021 14:51:26 0 3
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Thanks for this. We need to move on from the NHS sacred cow.

If it was so good the UK would not be near the top of the death league from COVID (and I am factoring in how disastrous the Clowns being in charge of the country has been).

It simply is not a HEALTH service. Its an illness fixing service at best.
11/02/2021 15:06:11 4 0
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Having worked in the NHS for many years I can truthfully say that I have seen all the reorganisations of reorganisations and know one thing - reorganisations line the pockets of management consultants and stroke the egos of politicians. Seriously though, now is not the time for another costly reorganisation - just loose outsourcing and let people who care about patients care get on with it.
11/02/2021 15:12:14 3 0
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What is clear is that private provision is worse than the NHS on any metric. That the NHS has problems is due to decades of underfunding and continuous privatisation. It is the most efficient health provider in the world.
11/02/2021 18:47:34 0 0
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Its not perfect.

The 2012 Act made it far worse as it was cack handed from the day it was passed in parliament and Osborne & Hunt were the protagonists in all of that and the consequences we have today.

For a sensible debate you should check facts first.

The NHS has the lowest staff and bed ratio in the G20 & lowest investment per capita. EG: Germany spent 50% more PP in 2017. Source: ONS
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11/02/2021 10:47:31 17 4
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If I encounter a child I have social concerns with in a&e, I have to fill in a paper form, dump it in a box, wait a few days and hope it gets picked up by a diligent social worker. I receive no confirmation. This isn’t another Baby P waiting to happen, it’s happening we just don’t know about it. The system is broken.
11/02/2021 23:00:37 0 0
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NHS has a good safeguarding system . No box involved. Look up the child safeguarding nurse employed by your hospital . It’s called doing your job properly
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11/02/2021 10:47:56 19 18
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Labour questioned the timing of the restructure amid the pandemic and said patients could not be helped without a "properly-funded social care plan".

Yet if nothing was done they'd still complain.
Labour, again showing us just how useless they are.
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11/02/2021 10:53:05 5 13
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They can't help but moan can they?
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11/02/2021 11:37:29 1 1
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The restructuring is undoing Tory restructuring.

Everyone is upset about what the tories are doing to nhs
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11/02/2021 11:46:01 1 2
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Question: what is the role of the Opposition party in parliament?

You'd blame Labour if you stubbed your toe. You'd blame them if you didn't. You have nothing at all to say, and so repeat the same boring nonsense every HYS, every post, and you are clearly a robot.
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11/02/2021 10:39:56 272 154
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We're still suffering the consequences of the last time the Tories "reformed" the NHS.

They're literally reforming again because of the total pigs ear they made of it last time.

Do not trust them.
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11/02/2021 10:41:45 216 209
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Still waiting for the lies Labour told about it all being "sold off" under brexit. ??
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11/02/2021 10:58:15 45 23
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Patience my boy patience. Hancock may try to sell it off only to find Jenrick has already done so.
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11/02/2021 11:00:10 19 38
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Lefties forget that there are other models available than the US health service. But that those models (Germany etc) are not free at the point of use and involve far more private companies than the NHS does.
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11/02/2021 11:08:02 51 19
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How about the lies on the side of Boris's bus ????
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11/02/2021 11:11:27 31 6
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Early Days , just wait
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11/02/2021 11:15:16 40 14
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It's being sold off as we speak and has been for the last decade. Except the self off is sold to the gullible as the introduction of competitive practice.
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11/02/2021 11:22:31 19 5
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Give it time
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11/02/2021 11:22:51 30 5
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Govts own figures show that 38% of the English NHS is out sourced. Scotland by comparison is 8%.
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11/02/2021 11:28:42 27 8
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What do you think was happening during the pandemic Einstein.
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11/02/2021 11:28:56 22 7
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Classic groyper tactic which you frequently employ.

Why did so many Tory mps vote for the current system which everyone can see is broken?
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11/02/2021 11:36:49 15 7
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The creeping privatisation of the NHS has not stopped, nor will it ever under Tory rule.
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11/02/2021 11:51:11 9 9
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Actually it was the Labour party that privatised the NHS by 'building' loads of PFI hospitals. They did not build anything, they saddled the NHS with monumental debt for years and ALL PFI hospitals are effectively private...so for the Labour party to keep squealing'Tory privatisation' it is, as usual, totally hypocritical
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11/02/2021 12:18:04 5 4
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It is being sold off, by stealth. You are not informed of this by the MSM. Most back services are run by the private sector and it is growing all the time.
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11/02/2021 12:57:23 3 0
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That was based on evidence of negotiations with Trump's team on an American trade deal. Trump is no longer there so thankfully the plan may be delayed.
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11/02/2021 13:10:19 3 1
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Boris is the liar, and the gullible still believe him.
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11/02/2021 13:13:47 2 1
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We haven't got a deal with the USA yet.
11/02/2021 13:30:59 3 1
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Clueless toryboy, anyone who has worked in the NHS has watched first hand as it's been stealth privatised over the last decade, many services are already 'commissioned' to be run by private companies who are in it for profit.
11/02/2021 13:50:51 1 0
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It's happening but nobody recognise it for what it is.

The number of agency workers, getting paid 3, 4 times the hourly wage of permanent staff are increasing daily.
11/02/2021 13:57:56 1 0
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As there will be no deal with the USA in the near future, who will buy it?
As Joe Biden has stated, here will be a quicker deal if we rejoin the EU.
11/02/2021 14:10:20 1 0
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It wasn’t a lie. Go google “nhs wholly owned subsidiaries” and you will see
11/02/2021 14:14:00 2 0
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Are you serious? We only severed ties 6 weeks ago. If the Tories were genuine about not including the NHS in any trade deal, why did all their MPs vote not to legally exclude the NHS from trade negotiations?
11/02/2021 14:18:45 0 0
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Actually the US bring it up all the time with us, trying to get their Big Pharma to come here to charge dramatic prices for cheap drugs.
TV
11/02/2021 14:20:38 1 0
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I work in a privavte hospital that is 85% funded from NHS pockets because the Conservative gov sold all the hospitals the last time around. Most people agreed that the NHS does the job better, without the frivolous smoke screen.
11/02/2021 14:23:39 1 0
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I'm still remembering the Vote Leave Bus-£350million a week for the NHS when we leave the EU. Really looking forward to this.
11/02/2021 15:00:04 0 0
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You might not have to wait too long.
11/02/2021 15:22:43 1 0
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tory soiv.
11/02/2021 15:32:26 1 0
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Delayed by the virus. The time will come.
11/02/2021 15:59:20 1 0
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Boris' bestie Trump got booted out, remember?
Much to your disgust I imagine, Proud Boy
But as he was dragged kicking and screaming out of the door, he was insisting the NHS remained on the table in negotiations for any trade-deal.
We'll see how HMG crumbles with Biden- should be better, but who knows....
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11/02/2021 10:42:59 174 93
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Don't trust the Tories. Remember the fiasco about billions wasted on failed covid apps to keep track of those we'd been in contact with? That went to a mate of the Tories, no comebacks, no enquiry, no investigation of the commissioning process. The Tories will have the more lucrative parts of the NHS privatised to their mates' businesses in the blink of an eye. Don't let them do it!
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11/02/2021 10:52:45 97 122
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Let's investigate the Labour mob
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11/02/2021 10:59:41 17 6
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Labour too spaffed away £600million on a database that didn't work.
470
11/02/2021 11:51:45 6 9
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Don't trust Labour for wasting £20bn on a database that nobody asked for mainly from the Private Sector. The list could go on it's what we do now that matters regardless of who it doing it Hate the Tories if they get something wrong but at least support them when they are trying to get it right
473
11/02/2021 11:51:50 16 8
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The Tories want us to work until we drop and then die so we can't collect our pensions.
Seriously, who cannot see this?
506
11/02/2021 11:56:38 5 7
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What claptrap. The app is estimated to have saved tens of thousands of lives, was designed BY THE NHS, with no Tory mates involved. The biggest privatisation of the NHS occurred under the last LABOUR, Blair government. All Labour have ever done for the NHS in recent years is to weaponise it to win them elections, and they failed at that too!
890
11/02/2021 13:00:16 1 3
bbc
But it was Labour who started the Privatisation of the NHS , the War criminal was in charge then
11/02/2021 13:26:27 0 4
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And PFIs went to mates/supporters/donors of Blair and Brown. Your argument about the tories is basically declaring how much you hate a particular flavour of faeces. You're still gonna be eating... you know what.
11/02/2021 13:56:45 0 4
bbc
And the billions wasted by Blair with the IT schemes that failed ... except one which already existed.
11/02/2021 14:49:59 0 2
bbc
Bit like the sums wasted by Labour on IT systems eh?
11/02/2021 17:23:18 0 0
bbc
Why should I trust the red socialists ... all friends of Moscow.
12/02/2021 10:03:29 0 0
bbc
Don't trust the Socialists. They pretend to be benign but they are lying.
12/02/2021 12:58:31 0 0
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And Labour do the same. Its not actually the Tories or Labour but the civil servants that decide just as it was civil servants that bought PPE from Turkey, police cars from Germany and American fighter jets - not one of the purchases creating work, wages or a positive outcome for the UK. It was a civil servant that killed TSR2 not a government a zoologist without an idea of engineering!
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11/02/2021 10:48:07 127 70
bbc
After the last ten years with tory cuts its a wonder that we have any NHS left. When Hunt was at the helm he all but destroyed the NHS. England should never ever let the Torys any where near the NHS.
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11/02/2021 10:56:49 85 52
bbc
And yet the NHS still the 5th largest employer in the world.

They could try reassigning people to new departments and new job roles - something that any private company would do if they had a shortage of staff in particular areas. But it won't happen because unions will block it.
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11/02/2021 10:52:13 14 16
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More than enough money in the NHS. Pen pushing managers in for a shock.
178
11/02/2021 11:07:34 14 18
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What cuts? The budget has been growing year on year.
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JD
11/02/2021 11:18:12 10 3
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Hunt the most hated name among NHS workers.
284
11/02/2021 11:17:59 16 18
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There have been no cuts to the NHS. The more the left lies, the less voters listen to it.
444
11/02/2021 11:48:00 12 5
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Opinion rather than facts. What the Govt. is trying to do is have more integrated services which hasn't been seriously attempted since it's inception because it was set up as two distinct parts Health and Social Care that's always been a problem sad that most Tory haters don't want to acknowledge. It's a question do you want a Govt. to do things right or not regardless of party politics?
515
11/02/2021 11:58:11 6 3
bbc
To all downvoters of Alan's comment, for your own sakes put down the Express, delete your facebook account and go visit the Office for National Statistics before it's too late!
722
11/02/2021 12:31:47 4 2
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Check how many years the NHS has been under Labour control compared with Conservative. Check how many years the NHS has had a reduction in funds. Remember which government gave GPs a ludicrous contract which earned most of them far more money for doing no more work, confirmed by my own GP. Check which government introduced private treatment centres and gave them guaranteed financial contracts.
752
11/02/2021 12:37:27 4 4
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Or Labour, they ruined the NHS before the Tories. In 2003 it was on its knees in Wales when I worked for them. A cycloptic political viewpoint rather than common sense and being unable to see things on balance is a much bigger problem. Take the 'Tory Hate' lenses out and put a set of common sense ones in. You might learn something.
11/02/2021 15:33:52 1 0
bbc
Spot on. 10 years of mishandling and asset stripping of the service.
11/02/2021 16:56:05 0 0
bbc
Get the facts right.
There haven't been any cuts since Labours in the 70's
11/02/2021 21:06:47 0 0
bbc
Rant rant rant!
12/02/2021 10:05:25 0 0
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A few more years of Gordon Brown and we would have had no money left.
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11/02/2021 10:48:12 312 30
bbc
Some personal responsibility for health wouldn’t go amiss either
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11/02/2021 11:07:00 224 39
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Too true. We now have a generation of users who treat the NHS as a magic bullet to remedy the consequences of their self indulgences.
255
11/02/2021 11:20:52 17 35
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Nice deflection away from the government.

Nothing is ever the Tories' fault, is it ?
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11/02/2021 11:28:08 10 35
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What are you proposing, that self-inflicted healthcare needs go untreated, or that everyone's illness is their own fault?

Are you saying that nobody takes any responsibility or actions for avoiding illness, that we all cross the road without looking, eat from dustbins, wander round the infectious diseases wards?

Or have you nothing at all to say?
851
11/02/2021 12:53:23 4 0
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And GP’s get paid for handing out the Self Care leaflet, patients pay the cost of gyms, equipment, diet etc .....if they can afford it .. which lots of those on low incomes and low state pensions can’t.
11/02/2021 13:57:51 3 4
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Ah yes, the attack the fatties statement. All their fault, even the diabetic who don't know. Yes, burn their eyes and spit on their knee caps whilst making sweets even more expensive so only people like Elizabeth I can enjoy.
11/02/2021 14:34:15 2 0
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Yes, however it's better to go to the GP whilst a problem is small, than to wait for it turn into a big problem. E.g. An innocuous mole that doesn't look right is better checked than it be left to turn into a tumor or worse.
11/02/2021 15:02:56 0 0
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If you want that then you need private healthcare ...less people use hospitals that way
11/02/2021 15:07:17 3 1
bbc
Trouble is, as soon as we think about personal responsibility, the left throw toys out of the pram and distract from the discussion by whining about privatisation
11/02/2021 15:08:23 1 0
bbc
Them is healthcare private insurance words
11/02/2021 15:40:40 2 0
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Generally taking personal responsibility needs time and money, a better diet than many can afford and also education.

It is the state's role to provide that time, money and education, discourage unhealthy diet and give people the opportunity to 'take responsibility'.
11/02/2021 17:08:44 0 0
bbc
"Some personal responsibility for health wouldn’t go amiss either"

Like dying before you get old? That would save a lot. Not going out, not driving a car, not having a baby, not doing any sport or gardening?

Where do you haters get off?
11/02/2021 18:04:48 0 0
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I have paid a shed load of council tax. Much was spent on a sports centre and swimming pool, another gym and tennis courts at the local school etc. The school facilities are closed during the summer holidays (even the outside ones). The gym, pool etc. requires a large membership fee and a per use payment. Why??? FFKS I have ALREADY paid for them!!
30
11/02/2021 10:48:30 7 10
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You have no authority here Matthew Hancock. No authority at all.
Read the standing orders. Read and understand them.
96
11/02/2021 10:58:30 2 5
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Hancock is out of control.
A megalomaniac with no contrition whatsoever.
He's a liar to boot.
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11/02/2021 10:46:15 389 94
bbc
The current system, created by the Tories in 2012, which split social care from healthcare in the most extreme way & dumped it on the laps of local councils.
31
11/02/2021 10:48:30 71 61
bbc
With the intent of degrading the system so that they can then pretend they want to fix it. Standard Tory methodology over decades.
32
11/02/2021 10:48:41 134 59
bbc
It's an obsession with the Tory party to interfere with the NHS. Sadly they've never made it better with their interference.
88
11/02/2021 10:51:26 36 70
bbc
What's up? Knee bender didn't predict this?
11/02/2021 17:23:47 0 1
bbc
All Labour did was create administrative posts.
11/02/2021 18:16:10 0 1
bbc
But they have given it more money than Labour ever promised since 2010
12/02/2021 10:04:30 0 0
bbc
Neither have Labour reformed the NHS, their sacred cow. They throw more money at it, which is mostly wasted.
12/02/2021 13:18:33 0 0
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And of course Labour did? Truth is neither do, will or can. We need to replace our politicians with people who are willing to remove the civil servants who are the ones causing the damage to the UK. Get them out of the way and we can fix the country. Look at the great strides we were able to make in Victorian times because there was no dead hand of paper shuffling jobs worths.
12/02/2021 13:20:17 0 0
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And yes, I know some smart arse is going to point out the slums and poverty of Victorian Britain, in defence during the period sanitation - sewers and fresh water - arrived, improved factory conditions (they were better, not great), electricity, transport etc. Can you imagine today introducing a railway? YEARS of planning and arguments before even a sod is turned.
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11/02/2021 10:48:41 28 18
bbc
Is it a coincidence that the government announces a major NHS reform just as questions were being asked about the awarding of massive healthcare contracts to various cronies & donors and their families?
No just you jumping on the bandwagon. How's the corrupt Liverpool mayor doing? Removed
274
11/02/2021 11:23:03 3 6
bbc
Who is voting down 1215 contribution? Has the Tory party set up a group of paid crooks to lie for them?
11/02/2021 23:15:49 0 0
bbc
Yes actually . NHS has been setting up ICS etc since before Covid
13
Bob
11/02/2021 10:44:13 139 25
bbc
Maybe this time we will be rid of Chairpersons, CEOs and box ticking admin managers. How many hundreds of these jobsworths has The BBC shown on TV making inane comments about what can and cannot be done. The salaries, expenses and other payments could provide and train thousands of direct medical personnel.
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11/02/2021 10:48:59 42 42
bbc
That would be great - but waht leads you to believe it will happen. This is a central government power grab!
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11/02/2021 10:49:12 11 9
bbc
Make A+E a paid service £10 a visit. That should stop all the W!"££%S turning up with broken fingernails or a stubbed toe. Make the rest of it a partially paid service dependant on means. You can't have this stuff for free anymore.
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11/02/2021 10:52:11 8 7
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its never been free its paid for in taxation
79
11/02/2021 10:56:44 2 3
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I've always said there should be a nominal cost to visit the doctor, not enough to disuade people from going but just a couple of quid to focus the mind on the necessity.
No charges for senior citizens, they have paid plenty . . . are you listening BBC.

I'd do a nominal charge for A&E.
£5.
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11/02/2021 10:58:15 2 2
bbc
Witnessed a young woman turn up at busy walk in centre, get rattled at the 1 hour wait and then demand paracetamol. Receptionist gave her 50p from her own purse and sent her to Boots! No doubt the receptionist would be the one in trouble if the story came out.
201
11/02/2021 11:10:48 0 1
bbc
I took my son to A & E with his head cut open just above the eye. The eye socket had swollen to an enormous size, and blood everywhere. Just as he got to the front of the queue, in comes a druggie obviously high on some rubbish, supported by her mouthy Mum smelling of booze (This was 11am). Guess what? My son is pushed down the queue so they can see to the druggie first. What the hell is going on?
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11/02/2021 10:49:28 12 6
bbc
How about we size our NHS for potential peaks? We have reduced bed capacity every year with the drop in flu cases which means we have no contingency for these types of events.
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OwO
11/02/2021 11:02:04 5 9
bbc
That's just a massive waste of money in non-peak times. Do you want to see your taxes skyrocket for something that'll spend most of its time unused?
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11/02/2021 10:49:32 425 43
bbc
Stop the scam of GPs being private contractors earning fees. Make them all salaried NHS employees. Create a Department of General Practice in every hospital as a hub with satellite GP surgeries served by that department ensuring integrated care.
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11/02/2021 11:05:05 327 106
bbc
Spot on. GP's have had an easy overpaid life for too long. Due to the infamous Labour party salary cock-up, many of them only need to work part time.
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11/02/2021 11:08:44 16 30
bbc
GP's have always been 'private' concerns as have dentists, pharmacies, drugs companies, etc etc. and many NHS consultants also do private work. Changing that will just add more bureaucracy and take out innovation.
251
11/02/2021 11:20:14 34 7
bbc
The NHS has effectively been privatised since 1948 with all primary care delivered by private businesses aka GPs
360
11/02/2021 11:34:40 11 2
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You won't get it past the BMA as that would upset a number of their members. Integrated care isn't linking GP's to hospitals that works Ok it's integrating with Social Care which this Govt. is intending to do. Cameron didn't split them in two they were never together Make sure Health aren't controlling integrated care and make a geniune partnership with local authorities they are too parochial
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11/02/2021 11:41:13 18 16
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Good luck with that one! The health services that have performed best throughout the pandemic have been a mix of state and private healthcare, as in Germany and France, and that is the model the UK should adopt. It's ludicrous to say there should be no private business participation if that is a better way forward.
408
11/02/2021 11:41:38 11 10
bbc
Part of the problem is other countries (famously Australia, which is known for having a lot of British doctors) pays GPs significantly more.

Europe's professional salaries are a pittance compared to North America and Oceania.
556
11/02/2021 12:03:59 31 26
bbc
G.P's are a luxury we can not afford. their work rate is close to a public health scandal. Certainly not value for money. And the patients that need the slightest bit of thinking they just refer them to the hospital.
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11/02/2021 12:10:33 9 19
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"Stop the scam of GPs being private contractors earning fees. Make them all salaried NHS employees"

Or "sacrifice the individual to the communal"

GPs are humans too you know, not instruments. They might have other plans and they might not sign up. And then you will miss the good old days where it took 3 weeks for an appointment.

I suppose this is the main flaw of socialism in every domain.
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11/02/2021 12:12:24 4 5
bbc
Tory scam. Lansley scam.
639
11/02/2021 12:15:35 5 2
bbc
Same for hospital consultants; still some too reluctant to work weekends & late nights.
659
11/02/2021 12:20:06 1 3
bbc
Contracting work privately is not a bad thing if managed correctly but it must be managed and the NHS is not set up as a business capable of this. The public sector is notoriously costly when failing to utilise private businesses so it is a fine balance.
768
11/02/2021 12:39:48 2 3
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Yes, and that was LABOUR!!!!
777
11/02/2021 12:41:35 8 1
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Canada and Australia are still recruiting UK GPs - I wonder where our GPs will go once your glorious plan of cutting their salaries and making them work 80 hour weeks kicks in.
819
11/02/2021 12:49:22 2 0
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Make them salaried, let them work 40 hour weeks and see what state the NHS will be in then.
832
11/02/2021 12:51:01 4 3
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Totally agree. Ever rising GP salaries. Now with the Self Care initiative all they will do is hand out a leaflet, patient pays the cost of gyms, equipment, better diet etc. GP’s get the fee. Primary Care is all about making GP’s richer.
845
11/02/2021 12:52:49 3 3
bbc
Whats a gp? Is that what they used to call a doctor before the surgery became a health spa village centre? I don't think I have a doctor. I have a web address instead. I tried it but couldn't remember the password so I don't borther with doctors or gps or whatever theyre called now.
931
11/02/2021 13:09:56 3 0
bbc
Not a clue about this either - NHS - Harley Street - the 2 were and are incompatible... but hey the Tories should own that 1 too.
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JD
11/02/2021 13:17:28 0 4
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Department of General Practice. Cracking idea. Do what GPs are doing at the moment. Over the phone consultations. But expand the 111 service. Close the GP Surgeries replace them with Department of General Practice with the Doctors employed by the NHS. Save Billions.
11/02/2021 13:28:35 1 0
bbc
GP's are salaried. A lot of them are now locum as they don't want to take on the responsibility of running a practice.
11/02/2021 14:23:06 2 2
bbc
I was shocked to read the GP's get £29 to give each vaccine (PPE, needles, vaccine etc supplied). Plus, they wanted another £10 to go out to there own patients home to give them the vaccine.
11/02/2021 14:28:41 0 0
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Here in Canada GP's essentially get paid per customer iirc. However it's limited to CAD$35 iirc if claimed from the Ontario Health Insurance Plan budget (OHIP). The downside is you often have to wait a few weeks for a visit unless it's urgent, but doctors are motivated to see a lot of people, so it's cost effective. Maybe too much so.
11/02/2021 15:07:21 1 0
bbc
If general practice were such an attractive option, why is it so difficult to recruit GPs to fill the numerous vacancies?
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11/02/2021 10:42:21 23 21
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Let's see the money Hancock. The Tories have internally underfunded the NHS at every opportunity. Given any chance they will cheery pick it to enrich their cronies.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/01/conservatives-underfunding-nhs-made-crisis-inevitable
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11/02/2021 10:44:16 7 8
bbc
More money been pumped into to the health service under the tories than Labour ever did. Newstatesman is a lefty remoaner rag.
7
11/02/2021 10:41:55 30 24
bbc
More taxpayers money to tory cronies no doubt.
39
11/02/2021 10:44:33 16 10
bbc
What's labour's excuse in Wales?
437
11/02/2021 11:46:52 1 0
bbc
Question: what is the role of the Opposition party in parliament?

You'd blame Labour if you stubbed your toe. You'd blame them if you didn't. You have nothing at all to say, and so repeat the same boring nonsense every HYS, every post, and you are clearly a robot.
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11/02/2021 10:41:38 19 12
bbc
Before any changes are made, all employees in the 400 odd statutory NHS organisations must be employed directly by NHS England. Otherwise, as in the past, an employee will take redundancy from one NHS organisation and take a new role in a different NHS organisation and still keep their pay off.
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11/02/2021 10:49:45 8 3
bbc
Or, as has happened in recent years, be forced into a subsidiary organisation (SubCo) with worse terms & conditions. This source may be biased but it covers the basic facts, which can of course be checked elsewhere for balance:
https://keepournhspublic.com/no-to-subcos-in-the-nhs/
11/02/2021 23:23:46 0 0
bbc
Not true . Staff keep NHS terms
41
11/02/2021 10:50:07 11 14
bbc
Labour would question the timing of Matt Hancock's next bowel movement.
49
11/02/2021 10:51:22 9 10
bbc
well he is full of it
51
11/02/2021 10:51:44 5 6
bbc
Literally talking @#£& to deflect
63
11/02/2021 10:53:10 4 6
bbc
Does he have them? He's so full of it, that the likelihood is no.
114
11/02/2021 11:00:37 1 2
bbc
It's their job!
139
11/02/2021 11:03:58 0 2
bbc
He's that full of himself he's probably still awaiting the first
42
11/02/2021 10:50:34 10 11
bbc
What the pandemic has exposed is how unfit for purpose the 1948 foundations of our NHS are.
92
11/02/2021 10:58:18 4 4
bbc
Unfit for purpose? More like criminally neglected and sabotaged by the Tories since 1948. The large numbers of people who have not died is a tribute to just how good it is, despite 70 years of hostile political interference. Even in opposition they used their media to snipe at the NHS.
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11/02/2021 10:43:44 18 15
bbc
No it won't. He's playing to his audience again.
As soon as money comes into it they'll shy away.
43
11/02/2021 10:50:39 16 12
bbc
I just hope they don't privatise it like Labour did, it's still costing millions in interest payments.
387
11/02/2021 11:37:56 1 1
bbc
Lol
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11/02/2021 10:40:46 10 12
bbc
If it means the pen pushing wasteful management are held to account more then I'm all for it. Waiting for yet more moaning from the Labour mob now.
44
11/02/2021 10:50:49 7 8
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says someone who is on here moaning every day
125
11/02/2021 10:55:34 1 3
bbc
pot kettle black
171
11/02/2021 11:02:47 0 3
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Yet you can't wait to comment now can you? Need a "safe space"?
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11/02/2021 10:46:27 17 13
bbc
And of course there was loads of investment during the Blair years...I think not to busy funding his wars in the Middle East.
45
11/02/2021 10:50:58 5 3
bbc
There was a lot of investment - in the form of PFIs, that we are going to be paying back forever and a day, ultimately costing far more than borrowing the money normally would have done.
46
11/02/2021 10:51:04 14 10
bbc
Or what they mean is MORE CUTS
142
11/02/2021 10:55:59 0 5
bbc
Not read it then
865
11/02/2021 12:55:57 0 0
bbc
more privatization the Tory one size fits all solution
47
11/02/2021 10:51:13 15 13
bbc
How much are the usual army of consultants and advisors going to make out of this, and how much of that will end up in Tory back pockets?
143
11/02/2021 10:56:28 4 7
bbc
How much ends up in Labour FM of wales pocket?
257
11/02/2021 11:21:15 1 2
bbc
You are right about the 'usual band' for over a decade the Tories have blocked really well informed and skilled consultants getting any work because we are not Tory (or Tory policy) supporters.
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11/02/2021 10:51:14 12 8
bbc
Will the shake up involve sacking those responsible for the clinical decision to send infected old folk back to care homes last April, killing 20,000 in the process.

Or will the medical profession continue to close ranks and hide away their failures?
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11/02/2021 10:50:07 11 14
bbc
Labour would question the timing of Matt Hancock's next bowel movement.
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11/02/2021 10:51:22 9 10
bbc
well he is full of it
135
11/02/2021 11:03:19 1 3
bbc
Like I commented to a previous HYS, slagging off Matt Hancock solves nothing.
50
11/02/2021 10:51:42 8 10
bbc
Well this won't go down well with the left wing, one of their key messages hidden amongst the hundreds of other election promises was to do this. Its no wonder that Labour lost and still has not regrouped and provided an effective opposition.
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SJ
11/02/2021 10:52:52 2 4
bbc
Eh ?
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11/02/2021 10:55:30 0 3
bbc
Correct. They will find something to moan about
132
11/02/2021 11:03:01 1 2
bbc
The politicisation of the NHS - on both sides - is a huge barrier to long term real proper joined up thinking and planning.
41
11/02/2021 10:50:07 11 14
bbc
Labour would question the timing of Matt Hancock's next bowel movement.
51
11/02/2021 10:51:44 5 6
bbc
Literally talking @#£& to deflect
52
11/02/2021 10:51:59 5 7
bbc
Q1 Another NHS re-org? Q2 Why now, in the middle of a pandemic?
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11/02/2021 10:53:43 4 8
bbc
Because, Tory government
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11/02/2021 10:53:58 3 6
bbc
Preparing to blame the nhs at the next election

Shameful
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11/02/2021 10:54:14 3 5
bbc
Another Cygnus cover up.
82
11/02/2021 10:57:16 5 2
bbc
Read it...it doesn’t say now it says the ideas and consultation now to start it post the pandemic
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11/02/2021 11:00:51 2 3
bbc
You obviously think it’s going to happen overnight, it’s not but there is sense in planning for it is there
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11/02/2021 10:55:09 1 3
bbc
Moan
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11/02/2021 10:51:59 199 17
bbc
Love the NHS but having been in hospital and also my son when he was young it’s fair to say there are numerous improvements that can be made, simplifying the admin for a start and removing the duplication of how staff manage the process of a patient would be two that would help..in short remove the red tape!
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11/02/2021 10:53:24 153 118
bbc
Maybe if it hadn't been hollowed out over the last decade, the improvements you seek wouldn't be necessary
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11/02/2021 11:40:37 11 1
bbc
Admin. is one of the biggest problems for the NHS even within hopsitals the free flow of information is often poor. Relying on patients to remind them & getting two appoinment letters on the same day for the same appointment happens as well Integrate services but give Social Care equal partnership rights as the NHS are over bearing in all strategic commissioning groups I've been involved with
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11/02/2021 11:42:27 9 1
bbc
It's never been any different admin has always a problem
549
11/02/2021 12:02:25 18 6
bbc
Hard to get rid of now but top heavy Management has and is the root cause ever since its introduction by Blair's Government. Most of those appointed were not medically aware.
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11/02/2021 12:56:59 8 2
bbc
Totally agree. Having to constantly repeat medical details to every department and ward, doctor and nurse is a waste of everyone’s time.
11/02/2021 14:41:23 0 0
bbc
Yes that would help, as well as some basic common sense.

My elderly neighbour can only get to a clinic on a Wednesday (and there is one then) when her son can take her. She phones and tells them this every time they send a letter for a different day. Driving her nuts.

Why can't someone mark/flag her record and say Wednesday only - too simple?
11/02/2021 15:03:20 1 2
bbc
just make it all private
11/02/2021 15:59:25 1 1
bbc
Duplication of patient admin is bad enough - duplication of executives is unforgivable. Each PCT has it's own Senior Leadership Team of highly paid execs - and behind most execs is a back office function like HR, Procurement etc.
They don't like the idea of sharing common services as it would result in their HR/IT/Procurement empire disappearing.
Breath-taking waste.
11/02/2021 17:02:52 1 0
bbc
Sadly all the red tape and duplication is there for a reason. It's because we have become a high-litigation country like the US, with too many sue-happy patients. The NHS is just trying to protect itself.
11/02/2021 17:20:25 0 1
bbc
And who created the expensive over-administration and paper-pushing in the NHS? You guessed it, the Labour Governments of the past.
11/02/2021 18:06:31 0 1
bbc
Last time my son was in hospital it took all day to get seen for 3 minutes, not even a cup of water for anyone, but a good view of the overworked nurses latest party pictures.
11/02/2021 19:41:36 0 0
bbc
Remove red tape? The NHS will employ red tape removal specialists and will of course need to expand their governance department to ensure that the red tape is being removed without offending any of the easily offended minorities who might be seriously affected by the removal of red tape in such an abrupt and unfeeling manner.
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11/02/2021 10:46:37 24 7
bbc
Tackling internal bureaucracy and the lack of joined up thinking (as NHS Providers pointed out) is long overdue.

Strip out the layers of bureaucracy, managers et al, and use the process efficiency and savings that result on front line healthcare provision instead.
54
11/02/2021 10:52:01 12 13
bbc
Great idea but what makes you think this central power grab will do it?
55
11/02/2021 10:52:06 4 10
bbc
If the likes of the incompetent, self-CON-gratula-TORY HCock, have anything to do with any NHS reforms, then it is likely to sink beneath a wave of his stupidity and back slapping for being part of 113,000 deaths.
122
11/02/2021 10:54:52 3 3
bbc
Still blaming deaths on the gov? Was the gov working the DJ booth that latest scally illegal rave?
126
11/02/2021 11:01:31 1 2
bbc
Slagging off Hancock solves nothing.
35
11/02/2021 10:49:12 11 9
bbc
Make A+E a paid service £10 a visit. That should stop all the W!"££%S turning up with broken fingernails or a stubbed toe. Make the rest of it a partially paid service dependant on means. You can't have this stuff for free anymore.
56
11/02/2021 10:52:11 8 7
bbc
its never been free its paid for in taxation
57
11/02/2021 10:52:30 6 11
bbc
The idea of the Tories fixing the NHS? Ha! But austerity damage must be undone. The concept a market driven NHS set in our aging demographic was always insane and doomed. You never know perhaps the Tories want the NHS to fall. Looking forward to social care being nationalised in order to make it a more efficient part of the NHS. Tory donors losing their tax payers slush fund. Who am I kidding.
107
11/02/2021 10:59:54 2 3
bbc
Only yourself, with all that crap.
58
11/02/2021 10:52:45 43 8
bbc
Stands to reason; wait for an absolute calamity until you do anything about it.
The buck stops with the Health Secretary.

And how many other Government departments need to improve efficiency?
All of them I'd wager.
469
11/02/2021 11:51:38 25 4
bbc
But we peddle the myth that profit automatically means best.

I've worked in the banking and financial sector for years. Huge profits sometimes simply for just moving money around. Also often massively inefficient - but it generates profits and Joe Public often doesn't understand it, so it is automatically seen as more efficient than a service which could never generate profit, such as railways.
11/02/2021 13:31:05 2 1
bbc
Social care managed by councils is a disaster. Home carers spend hours travelling because agencies compete instead of taking responsibility for an area each. Nobody checks invoices, just pay them. Incompetent social workers in hosp draw up care plans without checking what care was provided the week before patient entered hosp. I was disgusted by late Ma's care and lack of common sense involved.
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11/02/2021 10:47:23 270 45
bbc
Unfortunately, the NHS has become some kind of sacred cow, that even the merest suggestion that it isn't 100% absolutely perfect is almost sacriledge to some, and taken as some kind of sideswipe at the doctors, nurses, cleaners, porters etc that work so hard under often difficult circumstances.

Until that changes, we will never be able to have a sensible conversation about it.
59
11/02/2021 10:52:49 124 100
bbc
Too right. It's a failed organisation.

Lions led by donkeys
492
11/02/2021 11:54:41 10 25
bbc
Your opinion is worthless.
The NHS is the most efficient health service on planet Earth.
699
11/02/2021 12:27:48 12 12
bbc
Failed organisation? Tell that to the people whose lives have been saved by the service for over 70 years.
815
GW
11/02/2021 12:49:05 11 6
bbc
Donkeys led by donkeys Tory party
950
11/02/2021 13:12:53 7 0
bbc
It's hardly a failed organisation when it has managed to deliver over 12 million vaccinations in a matter of weeks.
11/02/2021 13:26:25 2 0
bbc
I am going to report you to the Social for Donkey abuse
11/02/2021 13:41:49 2 1
bbc
Yes , all those clinicians did a terrible job in the pandemic and as for the vaccine roll out , shocking !
11/02/2021 17:00:27 1 0
bbc
Really? Based on what, exactly? One of the most efficient health services globally. Needs more funding though.
11/02/2021 17:14:37 0 0
bbc
The NHS is certainly not "failed".

Yes, it needs reform, however I'm not sure that the middle of a pandemic is necessarily the best time to undertake such a reform.

I would also suggest that reforms of the NHS (and education too for that matter) needs long term planning and to be done on a cross party basis so that disruptive wholesale changes don't get made every time there is a change in govt.
11/02/2021 18:05:34 0 0
bbc
Lions led by very rich over paid donkeys
11/02/2021 18:19:09 0 0
bbc
It seems some people have forgotten the underfunding and staff cuts over the past decade. People seem to forget the obvious
12/02/2021 09:53:22 0 0
bbc
Not os much that as too many middle men.
50
11/02/2021 10:51:42 8 10
bbc
Well this won't go down well with the left wing, one of their key messages hidden amongst the hundreds of other election promises was to do this. Its no wonder that Labour lost and still has not regrouped and provided an effective opposition.
60
SJ
11/02/2021 10:52:52 2 4
bbc
Eh ?
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OwO
11/02/2021 11:00:33 1 3
bbc
Labour's only upset because it won't be seen as this idea. Despite wanting to make changes, Kier's now arguing against them because politics.

This behaviour is why Labour lost, and will continue to lost: you can agree with a good idea, without supporting the ideology of your opponent. They don't see that, just 2 groups either side of an arbitrary line.

Simple enough for you?
61
11/02/2021 10:52:59 7 9
bbc
Clearly he is getting ready to blame the nhs for his incompetence.

If you fall for this then I pity you.
153
11/02/2021 10:58:21 1 3
bbc
Still moaning?
168
11/02/2021 11:01:43 1 1
bbc
You clearly have never worked in the NHS and dont know what you are talking about
62
11/02/2021 10:53:03 7 11
bbc
The Government are lying
81
11/02/2021 10:56:54 3 5
bbc
No change there then. Serial lying is the Tory virus, that no vaccine can ever cure as it is part of their genetic make up.
90
OwO
11/02/2021 10:58:15 0 2
bbc
Like all your hot takes, *citation desperately needed*
103
11/02/2021 10:59:18 1 2
bbc
How profound.
110
11/02/2021 11:00:08 1 3
bbc
Blah blah blah Government lying blah blah doesn't fit my narrative blah blah blah
111
11/02/2021 11:00:10 1 3
bbc
Evidence? No I thought not.
151
11/02/2021 10:58:07 0 3
bbc
Not as much as knee bender
162
11/02/2021 11:00:53 1 3
bbc
Realise this is the standard activist, stereotyped response to anything & everything,

but just to prove you are not a TrotBot, which Government do you mean? Our Welsh Labour Government, or the UK Tory Government??
41
11/02/2021 10:50:07 11 14
bbc
Labour would question the timing of Matt Hancock's next bowel movement.
63
11/02/2021 10:53:10 4 6
bbc
Does he have them? He's so full of it, that the likelihood is no.
64
11/02/2021 10:53:20 8 8
bbc
I would suggest that the massive success of the vaccine roll out delivery by the NHS would suggest there's not a lot that needs fixing. They just need to be empowered to do what they are really good at - patient care! Could we maybe fix the embarrassment that is Test and Trace instead?
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11/02/2021 10:58:19 3 2
bbc
Roll out has been organised by a specially convened team with help from the army & a load of volunteers. Whilst the success is indeed heartwarming, it in no way reflects on the NHS's very obvious problems. The Nightingales fiasco told us that. Great idea.... shame there weren't the staff to man them. As for T&T, what a total waste of £22bn. Harding was embarrassing at the recent Select Committee.
100
11/02/2021 10:59:01 1 2
bbc
Even another £12 Billion Bung to Serco for a world beating fiasco, couldn't fix their shambolic attitude to our safety.
101
11/02/2021 10:59:03 1 1
bbc
This is not just about fixing the NHS, it's about fixing the overall health care package. Even Labour have no issues with this, apart from the timing.
149
11/02/2021 10:57:45 0 2
bbc
The pen pushers in management need a clear out
53
11/02/2021 10:51:59 199 17
bbc
Love the NHS but having been in hospital and also my son when he was young it’s fair to say there are numerous improvements that can be made, simplifying the admin for a start and removing the duplication of how staff manage the process of a patient would be two that would help..in short remove the red tape!
65
11/02/2021 10:53:24 153 118
bbc
Maybe if it hadn't been hollowed out over the last decade, the improvements you seek wouldn't be necessary
237
11/02/2021 11:09:22 24 18
bbc
Nobody believes the lefty rubbish about underfunding of the NHS. But most of us have seen that it is a highly variable service, with some very hard working efficient staff, and some total numpties who are way out of their depth.
Repeat the lies, you may start to believe it.
11/02/2021 15:34:24 1 1
bbc
Last decade ? you mean since Tony Blaire..
11/02/2021 17:05:41 0 1
bbc
Contrary to popular belief, over the last 10 years the NHS has received inflation, or inflation-plus, increases every year. It has always been ring-fenced from cuts by the Tories, for the very reason you write - people lying that they have continually cut funding. I suggest you go and lok at the data, or doesn't that suit the narrative you are trying to push?
11/02/2021 17:23:34 0 0
bbc
Maybe so, but that isn't any reason for not trying to mend it now is it
11/02/2021 18:07:11 0 1
bbc
Hollowed out???? We have piled more and more money into the cess pit and most of it has gone on more layers of managers appointed by their mates on exhorbitant salaries.
11/02/2021 18:20:03 1 0
bbc
So true but tory spin would have you believe the opposite.
12/02/2021 07:57:15 0 0
bbc
What does this mean for the NHS, it will almost certainly mean do more for less, oh we will get from government "we are putting more money than ever before" but that is the main issue not enough money for what the government expects, se should have a centralised procurement so we get the very best prices, at present its down each authority so costs more in the long run
12/02/2021 09:53:59 0 0
bbc
The problems have been around for many decades.
52
11/02/2021 10:51:59 5 7
bbc
Q1 Another NHS re-org? Q2 Why now, in the middle of a pandemic?
66
11/02/2021 10:53:43 4 8
bbc
Because, Tory government
550
11/02/2021 12:02:40 0 1
bbc
Or because the NHS has failed so badly.

- Double the chance of dying on an NHS ICU than a German equivalent
- Tens of thousands of extra cancer deaths as GPs hid behind their sofas and oncology departments were effectively shut down
- 20000 old folk sent to their grave thanks to the clinicians who discharged infected patients to care homes
52
11/02/2021 10:51:59 5 7
bbc
Q1 Another NHS re-org? Q2 Why now, in the middle of a pandemic?
67
11/02/2021 10:53:58 3 6
bbc
Preparing to blame the nhs at the next election

Shameful
52
11/02/2021 10:51:59 5 7
bbc
Q1 Another NHS re-org? Q2 Why now, in the middle of a pandemic?
68
11/02/2021 10:54:14 3 5
bbc
Another Cygnus cover up.
69
11/02/2021 10:54:37 12 9
bbc
Also saw the comment this morning that visits to A&E are down 38% so that just proves that there is a good percentage of people that don’t need A&E they just need a plaster or a paracetamol.
108
11/02/2021 10:59:56 11 1
bbc
Or they could just be dying at home as it's 'nothing to make a fuss about and I don't want to give the NHS more work' Home deaths have increased during the pandemic, some of them will have been avoidable.
109
11/02/2021 11:00:03 2 1
bbc
Or could be lack of grass roots sports, less traffic so less accidents. Hard to hurt yourself locked in your home all day. For the record I want to get back to 5 a side football and Badminton I am sure there are other sports for other folk that can be played with min risk Golf springs to mind although not for me.
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11/02/2021 11:05:12 0 1
bbc
While I accept there will be many who do not need A&E it is not completely true. Friend of my son has lost the use of one finger after a severe cut. His mother is sheilding and he was terrified of catching Covid at hospital so refused to go to A&E.
167
11/02/2021 11:01:23 3 1
bbc
My wife is on the front line, A&E is down because their are less road/traffic accidents, sports injuries and the like.
472
11/02/2021 11:51:48 1 1
bbc
That proves nothing at all. Logic is hard for people.

I have not been attacked by a tiger this week. It snowed this week. That PROVES that tigers become vegan when it snows.
70
11/02/2021 10:54:41 5 11
bbc
If their plan is to put more responsibility into the hands of Hancock then they seriously need to rethink that strategy.
161
11/02/2021 11:00:22 2 4
bbc
As long as its not put into labours hands Because they havent got a clue
71
11/02/2021 10:54:43 40 37
bbc
Improvements being made- Labour complain
Improvement Not being made- Labour complain

Typical indecisive usual clap trap from Labour.
74
11/02/2021 10:55:50 25 15
bbc
I haven't seen a single improvement
83
11/02/2021 10:57:31 7 8
bbc
Labour are a bit desperate. To be fair the are not complaining about the improvements, just the timing, as that's the only thing they can take issue with, and they must be seen to have some gripe.
116
11/02/2021 11:00:46 10 6
bbc
Ah the tory apologist with 113,000 deaths at his door has just woken up.
144
11/02/2021 10:56:54 2 10
bbc
Correct. Knee bender party is laughable
169
11/02/2021 11:01:46 4 7
bbc
Makes a nice change though from Warcriminal Bliar taking us into yet another war though doesn't it?
170
11/02/2021 11:02:14 4 7
bbc
The shadow health minister, Jon Ahsworth, has a degree in......

Medicine---No
Pharmacy----No
Any science at all-----No

PPE----YES

Is he competent-----NO
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11/02/2021 11:07:05 9 5
bbc
1, The last reforms by the Tories made things much worse

2, These reforms seek to correct the last botched reforms

3, Waiting times and outcomes under Labour were far better than under Tories

4, You'd blame Labour if you stubbed your toe - incredibly servile display of forelock-tugging in order to deflect from your masters

5, Funny how your posts always arrive with 20 upvotes.
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11/02/2021 10:47:20 69 36
bbc
They used to be joined up - then Cameron's government broke them all up. Yes, it would be good to repair that damage but these changes are actually about 'taking back control' centrally as this government doesn't like others being in a decision making role - after all, who could do things better than they can!
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11/02/2021 10:55:38 55 27
bbc
So you think the way it is run now is acceptable! I don't, the government should be the body making decisions not overpaid managers and useless councilors.
370
11/02/2021 11:35:35 20 15
bbc
Spot the odd one out:

Overpaid managers
Useless councillors
*Government

*Here's some suggestions: Useless, overpaid, corrupt, staggeringly-incompetent, lying, immoral.
11/02/2021 13:32:57 5 1
bbc
Or useless Tory chums, donors & wealthy getting billions in contracts perhaps?
73
11/02/2021 10:55:50 2 7
bbc
Merck & Co have published the Manual of Medicine for many years. I saw a 1952 edition. It was the size of a prayer book on that type of paper. A 1990s edition was akin to the Bible. It is now only available Online. THAT is the growth of medical science...
102
11/02/2021 10:59:11 1 1
bbc
The growth in medical science is the internet.... Okay......
154
11/02/2021 10:58:32 0 1
bbc
That is because it is 70 years old and medicine has moved on.
71
11/02/2021 10:54:43 40 37
bbc
Improvements being made- Labour complain
Improvement Not being made- Labour complain

Typical indecisive usual clap trap from Labour.
74
11/02/2021 10:55:50 25 15
bbc
I haven't seen a single improvement
13
Bob
11/02/2021 10:44:13 139 25
bbc
Maybe this time we will be rid of Chairpersons, CEOs and box ticking admin managers. How many hundreds of these jobsworths has The BBC shown on TV making inane comments about what can and cannot be done. The salaries, expenses and other payments could provide and train thousands of direct medical personnel.
75
11/02/2021 10:45:18 4 3
bbc
Correct
12
11/02/2021 10:43:44 18 15
bbc
No it won't. He's playing to his audience again.
As soon as money comes into it they'll shy away.
76
11/02/2021 10:45:36 1 3
bbc
Hello Starmer
11
11/02/2021 10:43:28 10 12
bbc
So rolling back reforms that Cameron government made that no one liked....so this should be praised?

Nope.....pretty universally condemned

I would say I'm shocked.....
77
11/02/2021 10:46:01 7 9
bbc
Supported by the libs
16
11/02/2021 10:46:15 389 94
bbc
The current system, created by the Tories in 2012, which split social care from healthcare in the most extreme way & dumped it on the laps of local councils.
78
11/02/2021 10:47:08 60 45
bbc
What was labours excuse in Wales then?
262
11/02/2021 11:22:00 51 23
bbc
Oh dear some peopke are beyond help

Cameron changed UK LAW which Wales have to adopt
582
11/02/2021 12:06:32 11 12
bbc
No excuse needed. Don't believe all the WM Tory spin.
11/02/2021 14:15:07 2 0
bbc
Wales was also subject to the changes implemented by the Tories in the Health and Social care act 2012.
The only control Labour have of the health system in Wales is that they can (and do) provide a slightly higher level of funding per patient than that which the Tories provide in England.
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11/02/2021 10:49:12 11 9
bbc
Make A+E a paid service £10 a visit. That should stop all the W!"££%S turning up with broken fingernails or a stubbed toe. Make the rest of it a partially paid service dependant on means. You can't have this stuff for free anymore.
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11/02/2021 10:56:44 2 3
bbc
I've always said there should be a nominal cost to visit the doctor, not enough to disuade people from going but just a couple of quid to focus the mind on the necessity.
No charges for senior citizens, they have paid plenty . . . are you listening BBC.

I'd do a nominal charge for A&E.
£5.
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11/02/2021 10:48:07 127 70
bbc
After the last ten years with tory cuts its a wonder that we have any NHS left. When Hunt was at the helm he all but destroyed the NHS. England should never ever let the Torys any where near the NHS.
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11/02/2021 10:56:49 85 52
bbc
And yet the NHS still the 5th largest employer in the world.

They could try reassigning people to new departments and new job roles - something that any private company would do if they had a shortage of staff in particular areas. But it won't happen because unions will block it.
357
11/02/2021 11:34:24 13 13
bbc
Or even better people could try not voting in sociopathic con men like Boris and his accomplices.
362
11/02/2021 11:34:48 18 11
bbc
Utter nonsense.

Which union-led strike can you refer to where the NHS wanted to move jobs into a different department, or reduce one job and increase another? None, of course, because this is just another baseless "I don't understand the real world but the Daily Mail says unions are bad" post from you.
11/02/2021 13:55:02 3 0
bbc
Yeh great idea, current shortage of ITU nurses because they're rammed with COVID patients, why don't we send our security down there to help out

Can't do elective surgery because our anaethetists are treating COVID patient's in ITU, don't worry we'll send one of the cooks from the kitchen to put you too sleep for your surgery.
11/02/2021 19:46:14 0 0
bbc
Excuse me. Would you like your brain surgery done by an Ear Nose and Throat surgeon or your GP whilst your everyday nursing needs are met by the porter. Fact is there are lots of regulated professionals who work in the NHS.
12/02/2021 11:02:11 0 0
bbc
Classic response of someone with no idea what happens in practice or how partnership working has advantages to everyone.
62
11/02/2021 10:53:03 7 11
bbc
The Government are lying
81
11/02/2021 10:56:54 3 5
bbc
No change there then. Serial lying is the Tory virus, that no vaccine can ever cure as it is part of their genetic make up.
52
11/02/2021 10:51:59 5 7
bbc
Q1 Another NHS re-org? Q2 Why now, in the middle of a pandemic?
82
11/02/2021 10:57:16 5 2
bbc
Read it...it doesn’t say now it says the ideas and consultation now to start it post the pandemic
71
11/02/2021 10:54:43 40 37
bbc
Improvements being made- Labour complain
Improvement Not being made- Labour complain

Typical indecisive usual clap trap from Labour.
83
11/02/2021 10:57:31 7 8
bbc
Labour are a bit desperate. To be fair the are not complaining about the improvements, just the timing, as that's the only thing they can take issue with, and they must be seen to have some gripe.
84
11/02/2021 10:48:14 5 7
bbc
Message to all the lefties here. Most health systems in the EU have far more private involvement that the NHS does. That foxes you doesn't it - like to point out how good the EU is, but you omit to point out that there are a lot more private organistions involved!
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11/02/2021 11:01:09 5 3
bbc
They also spend a higher % of their GDP on health.

Spending public money on the public riles your lot doesn't it?

You prefer seeing your tax £'s going straight to Serco.....right?
158
11/02/2021 10:59:14 1 1
bbc
Oh don't tell them that. They might need a "safe space" to recover
163
11/02/2021 11:01:01 2 1
bbc
Amongst many factors. UK 10th in Europe for quality of Healthcare.
9
11/02/2021 10:42:21 23 21
bbc
Let's see the money Hancock. The Tories have internally underfunded the NHS at every opportunity. Given any chance they will cheery pick it to enrich their cronies.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/01/conservatives-underfunding-nhs-made-crisis-inevitable
85
11/02/2021 10:49:34 8 4
bbc
Lies lies lies again. The NHS is a bottomless pit, you could give it every penny in the world and it would still complain. The funding goes up every year for it, there has been no starving of funds!
33
11/02/2021 10:48:41 28 18
bbc
Is it a coincidence that the government announces a major NHS reform just as questions were being asked about the awarding of massive healthcare contracts to various cronies & donors and their families?
No just you jumping on the bandwagon. How's the corrupt Liverpool mayor doing? Removed
487
11/02/2021 11:53:49 2 2
bbc
Troll a loll a loll...
32
11/02/2021 10:48:41 134 59
bbc
It's an obsession with the Tory party to interfere with the NHS. Sadly they've never made it better with their interference.
88
11/02/2021 10:51:26 36 70
bbc
What's up? Knee bender didn't predict this?
155
11/02/2021 11:05:44 18 6
bbc
Everyone predicted the NHS would suffer under Tory rule
342
11/02/2021 11:33:01 9 6
bbc
What's up ? Your dodgy PPE contract not renewed.
432
11/02/2021 11:45:23 7 8
bbc
Look everyone - this zany dude is making a BLM point on a completely unrelated article. I bet you're a hoot at parties - a sort of political Colin Hunt.

There isn't anything more pathetic than a white person trying to play the race card.

Yours facepalmingly,

A white person, who gets that other people might have a harder time because of the colour of their skin.
457
11/02/2021 11:49:52 2 2
bbc
Who?
26
11/02/2021 10:41:45 216 209
bbc
Still waiting for the lies Labour told about it all being "sold off" under brexit. ??
89
11/02/2021 10:58:15 45 23
bbc
Patience my boy patience. Hancock may try to sell it off only to find Jenrick has already done so.
62
11/02/2021 10:53:03 7 11
bbc
The Government are lying
90
OwO
11/02/2021 10:58:15 0 2
bbc
Like all your hot takes, *citation desperately needed*
35
11/02/2021 10:49:12 11 9
bbc
Make A+E a paid service £10 a visit. That should stop all the W!"££%S turning up with broken fingernails or a stubbed toe. Make the rest of it a partially paid service dependant on means. You can't have this stuff for free anymore.
91
11/02/2021 10:58:15 2 2
bbc
Witnessed a young woman turn up at busy walk in centre, get rattled at the 1 hour wait and then demand paracetamol. Receptionist gave her 50p from her own purse and sent her to Boots! No doubt the receptionist would be the one in trouble if the story came out.
42
11/02/2021 10:50:34 10 11
bbc
What the pandemic has exposed is how unfit for purpose the 1948 foundations of our NHS are.
92
11/02/2021 10:58:18 4 4
bbc
Unfit for purpose? More like criminally neglected and sabotaged by the Tories since 1948. The large numbers of people who have not died is a tribute to just how good it is, despite 70 years of hostile political interference. Even in opposition they used their media to snipe at the NHS.
253
11/02/2021 11:11:48 0 1
bbc
What's Labour excuse in Wales NHS? Do keep up
11/02/2021 19:18:09 0 0
bbc
Labour only pretend to care like they do as without the outdated Union system backing them they would be a non entity as a party.
The NHS like a lot of things such as state pension that were implimented in the past need reforming, this however doesn't disregard the many front line workers doing a great job.
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11/02/2021 10:53:20 8 8
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I would suggest that the massive success of the vaccine roll out delivery by the NHS would suggest there's not a lot that needs fixing. They just need to be empowered to do what they are really good at - patient care! Could we maybe fix the embarrassment that is Test and Trace instead?
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11/02/2021 10:58:19 3 2
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Roll out has been organised by a specially convened team with help from the army & a load of volunteers. Whilst the success is indeed heartwarming, it in no way reflects on the NHS's very obvious problems. The Nightingales fiasco told us that. Great idea.... shame there weren't the staff to man them. As for T&T, what a total waste of £22bn. Harding was embarrassing at the recent Select Committee.
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11/02/2021 10:58:20 2 7
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Pixies
10:53
"I would suggest that the massive success of the vaccine roll out delivery by the NHS would suggest there's not a lot that needs fixing"

The NHS played a minor role in planning the vaccine rollout. That was done by many, more competent agencies not least the army.
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11/02/2021 10:58:23 4 4
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The timing is simple: with the NHS up to its collective ears dealing with coronavirus, it doesn't have time to reflect on what is being proposed.

What is needed is a reduction in complexity & all staff being put on salary not running 'businesses' - streamline admin & keep politicians out completely.
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11/02/2021 11:00:23 5 2
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In other words, try to unpick the ghastly Lansley crapfest. I agree.
You have no authority here Matthew Hancock. No authority at all.
Read the standing orders. Read and understand them.
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11/02/2021 10:58:30 2 5
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Hancock is out of control.
A megalomaniac with no contrition whatsoever.
He's a liar to boot.
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11/02/2021 10:48:07 127 70
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After the last ten years with tory cuts its a wonder that we have any NHS left. When Hunt was at the helm he all but destroyed the NHS. England should never ever let the Torys any where near the NHS.
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11/02/2021 10:52:13 14 16
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More than enough money in the NHS. Pen pushing managers in for a shock.
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11/02/2021 10:52:34 9 7
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Cue;

'Never trust Tories',
'Tories will privatise..'
'Multi national pharmas will rip off...'
'Tories going to sell it all to Trump...'
'Tory scum will close/charge/stop/reduce/revoke/starve etc etc'

Here in Wales, our NHS - run by Labour since devolution - was on brink b4 covid. Workmate had serious head injury needed tests & assessment, our Union took him to Bath, waiting time here 9months!!
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11/02/2021 11:05:02 5 2
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So you base your opinion on one personal case. I live in Wales too & my experience is different. I used to live in England & my experience there was close to your anecdote above. But, then, I don't assume my experiences are necessarily representative of the whole. You clearly do.
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11/02/2021 11:06:25 0 2
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Spot on
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11/02/2021 10:42:59 174 93
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Don't trust the Tories. Remember the fiasco about billions wasted on failed covid apps to keep track of those we'd been in contact with? That went to a mate of the Tories, no comebacks, no enquiry, no investigation of the commissioning process. The Tories will have the more lucrative parts of the NHS privatised to their mates' businesses in the blink of an eye. Don't let them do it!
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11/02/2021 10:52:45 97 122
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Let's investigate the Labour mob
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11/02/2021 11:08:27 20 5
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For what?
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11/02/2021 11:32:00 24 7
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Let's prosecute the tory fraudsters.
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11/02/2021 12:59:32 5 2
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If they were at all in power and doing the same thing I'd agree. Does this mean you agree the Tories should be investigated? Stop simping for people who would push you into a meat grinder if your vote wasn't valuable to their power.
11/02/2021 17:01:31 1 0
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Relevance? Labour haven't been in government for about 10 years. Tories have had time to do what they want. They have done but have proved, in respect of the NHS in particular, what an incompetent bunch they are, just look at the Health Minister as an example.
11/02/2021 18:26:52 1 0
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Do you ever make a comment based on facts not the colour of the party you support. Waste of time.
11/02/2021 19:36:15 1 0
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Excuse me who is in power? Whose White Paper is it? don't evade the issue. Saying Let's investigate the Labour Mob is like Donald Trump's defence saying - "but look at the Democrats"
12/02/2021 10:07:28 0 0
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For doing what exactly?
12/02/2021 13:00:45 0 0
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Lets realise NEITHER are any good and vote for someone new. As long as the new broom clears out the civil service we stand a chance. The civil servants all oxbridge arts or classics grads influenced by the same guys who created Philby and Blunt
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11/02/2021 10:53:20 8 8
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I would suggest that the massive success of the vaccine roll out delivery by the NHS would suggest there's not a lot that needs fixing. They just need to be empowered to do what they are really good at - patient care! Could we maybe fix the embarrassment that is Test and Trace instead?
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11/02/2021 10:59:01 1 2
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Even another £12 Billion Bung to Serco for a world beating fiasco, couldn't fix their shambolic attitude to our safety.