Covid-19: NHS app has told 1.7 million to self-isolate
09/02/2021 | news | technology | 283
Ministers believe the contact-tracing app has prevented 600,000 cases of the disease in England and Wales.
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09/02/2021 11:15:23 23 27
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£13,000 per person to tell them to isolate. Not bad it you're a Tory Chum.
Grow up. Did you do it? I doubt it. Removed
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Bob
09/02/2021 11:27:00 12 3
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I see you've taken £22 billion and divided by 1.7m app users.

Fake news from you, unfortunately.

The £22bn includes *everything* related to testing and tracing. The app did not cost £22bn. Tracing does not cost £22bn.

The cost of tests and processing those tests is where the spend has gone. We perform hundreds of thousands of tests per day. Manufacturers are not handing them out for free.
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09/02/2021 11:32:13 6 1
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Or if you are an optimist; the cost of treating up to 600,000 people is much greater than that spent on the app, so a good Tory investment which was backed by Labour too.
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09/02/2021 11:39:17 7 1
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So you are attributing the total cost of test and trace to the app. You do realise that this includes the cost of the tests, the test centres, the labs, contact tracers etc not just the app? The UK are doing several hundred thousand tests every day. Many more people will have isolated having been contacted via the contact tracers.
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09/02/2021 11:54:52 1 1
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Get back to maths lessons.
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09/02/2021 12:02:16 2 0
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Pack of lies but that won’t stop you will it
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09/02/2021 11:15:33 17 5
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But how many actually self isolated? (i know we don't/can't know)
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09/02/2021 11:16:55 33 34
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£22bn spent on track and trace?! Johnson must not be permitted to simply walk away with a diary full of lucrative after dinner speeches, taking no accountability for the fraud and damage he has wrought on our U.K. #jailjohnson
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09/02/2021 11:19:37 20 20
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rather like your idol Blair then ?
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Bob
09/02/2021 11:24:57 4 5
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You would support not testing anybody then?
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09/02/2021 11:33:24 6 2
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You do realise that this includes the cost of the tests, the test centres, the labs, contact tracers etc not just the app? The UK are doing several hundred thousand tests every day.
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09/02/2021 11:48:20 0 6
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Is that right? 22 billion quid? Am I right in saying that that works out at nearly £13,000 per person told to isolate? That's unbelievable.

22,000,000,000 divided by 1,700,000 = 12,941. Is that right?
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09/02/2021 11:17:28 64 7
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It would be interesting to find out how many of those 1.7 million have actually self-isolated. That's the true measure of test and trace's effectiveness.
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09/02/2021 11:23:48 46 5
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I did, as did my family and as did the other people who we had been in contacft with on Xmas Day.

On top of that we were all contacted periodically by Test and Trace (every one of them lovely) and we were contacted again at the end of 10 days to double check we were symptom free before coming out of quarantine.

Don't believe everything you read.
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09/02/2021 11:23:56 3 8
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It would be nice when things return to normal that we have a proper discussion on the (mis)use of Big Data...
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09/02/2021 11:27:59 7 4
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I don't think it measures if the app is effective - more if the user's brain is effective
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09/02/2021 11:36:26 6 11
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A true measure of its effectiveness is if whole adult population downloaded it, all activated it and all self isolated when told.

I think if this happened cases would drop massively.

But only arnd 40% of population voted Tory. The rest have a vested interest in not following the instructions.
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09/02/2021 13:03:09 2 0
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Not only that, but remember the story a while back where they think they were only able to contact at most 60% of contacts, and not all of those answered. This figure seems kinda low to me for 1 year of pandemic
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09/02/2021 11:18:31 9 7
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It was good for getting you into establishments that demanded you used it. Other than that, from my experience a total failure. I mean fancy alerting you 10 days after the last contact with the carrier. Really?
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Bob
09/02/2021 11:24:33 4 1
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Incubation is ~5 days. So you'd be coming to the end of you being contagious by that time, sure, but remember if you did discover you were positive you could have met others that same day who now know they need to isolate, when they otherwise would not have.
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09/02/2021 11:31:21 0 1
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That’s cos the person you had been in contact with only developed to was aware they were infected. Honestly we seem to live in a world where I must have it now. BTW did you isolate?
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09/02/2021 11:37:10 0 1
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And when did that person enter the positive test result into the app? It can't contact you until the carrier has done that.
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09/02/2021 11:18:55 14 13
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And ignored countless times by the 'me too, selfish brigade' of Covaidiots who ignore the rules, attend illegal raves/parties, as the fines and police evidence shows. Now wonder the infection rates have taken so long to get under control.

Want to understand it. Go back to 1666 and the Great Plague
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-51904810
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09/02/2021 11:35:00 12 6
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Over 70% of infections occur in hospitals and care homes. But ignore facts and blame the "selfish brigade" based on no evidence.
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09/02/2021 11:37:53 2 1
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To be fair, in 1666 smartphone usage was considerably lower.
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09/02/2021 11:40:58 1 6
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While we still live is this so called democracy, where we can only police with consent of the people - bojo, arch liar, pants on fire - the day i believe anything spouting out of his cake hole, is the day i will get the vaccine, download the app or go to hospital, any hospital for treatment - its where you go to die, without seeing your relatives because its unlawful to hold yr dying relative
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09/02/2021 11:56:06 1 5
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Not Boris' fault heh?
More deflection from the Tory deception brigade.
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09/02/2021 11:58:28 5 1
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What on earth is a "Covaidiots". You really do spout some nonsense from upon your high chair. I bet you've never done anything slightly wrong in your life. I suggest you stop believing everything you are fed by the media.
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09/02/2021 13:37:22 0 1
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"selfish brigade' of Covaidiots who ignore the rules"

How long are you people going to keep blaming other people? And what do you hope to achieve from doing so?
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09/02/2021 11:16:55 33 34
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£22bn spent on track and trace?! Johnson must not be permitted to simply walk away with a diary full of lucrative after dinner speeches, taking no accountability for the fraud and damage he has wrought on our U.K. #jailjohnson
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09/02/2021 11:19:37 20 20
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rather like your idol Blair then ?
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09/02/2021 11:21:52 7 4
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Blair is no idol of mine.
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09/02/2021 11:34:31 1 2
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We are talking about bb Johnson here as he is allegedly in charge.
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09/02/2021 11:53:15 0 1
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Spot on.
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09/02/2021 11:20:02 57 24
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Those people with the app can be told to isolate, lose earnings and be fined £10,000 if they don't isolate.

Those people without the app won't be told to isolate, won't lose earning and won't be fined.

It's a no brainer.
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09/02/2021 11:26:19 26 6
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That is not true. The app is anonymous so people told to isolate cannot be identified.
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09/02/2021 13:04:52 0 0
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£10,000 where are you getting that from? £10k is only for those returning from covid hotspots, i think it is only 200 quid if you break self isolation
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09/02/2021 14:26:20 0 0
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Ironic that the people who pillory the gov't for the pandemic being out of control are the self-same people who do all they can to circumnavigate, evade, bend and manipulate the rules that exist to prevent the virus' spread.

Can't have it all ways.
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10/02/2021 12:03:47 1 0
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The App is anonymous (despite what others are saying)...Apps need elevated permissions which they need to request. Although it is a no brainer to follow the advice and try not to hospitalise/kill people!
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09/02/2021 11:20:17 13 10
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Covid-19: NHS app has told 1.7 million to self-isolate and 1,699,999 people ignored the notification
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09/02/2021 11:20:29 11 18
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I can't imagine the number of people in priority groups 1-4 (and to a lesser extent 5-9) having a smartphone let alone downloading the app being very high.
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09/02/2021 11:25:13 10 4
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Millions of people in groups 1-9 will have smartphones and I expect millions in those groups have downloaded the app. These groups cover everyone over 50 and/or clinically vulnerable. Most people in their 50s and 60s have smartphones.
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09/02/2021 11:33:18 3 1
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I've been organising shopping for shielders / isolators and you'd be surprised: even in the oldest age groups a lot of people do have at least a basic smartphone. Obviously vulnerable people should be avoiding contact with anyone anyway - so the app is pretty much irrelevent for those categories.
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09/02/2021 11:19:37 20 20
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rather like your idol Blair then ?
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09/02/2021 11:21:52 7 4
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Blair is no idol of mine.
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09/02/2021 11:24:36 7 9
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Sorry you must have been craving comrade Corbyn.
Or more likely the great leader - Sturgeon (who appears to have selective memory) lol
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09/02/2021 11:22:48 40 18
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Test and trace was a great idea but unfortunately large swathes of the population didn’t download it or switched it off to avoid self isolation. Thousands possibly millions of breaches of lockdown indicate why it didn’t work as hoped. Our selfish society made it less than perfect not politicians or scientists.
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jon
09/02/2021 11:29:56 14 16
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Except prof lockdown was one of the first to break the rules.
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09/02/2021 11:30:30 8 10
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I think there are many people now, who recognize the misalignment between what they are being told by the Gov't & media is true, and what their own logic and observations tell them is true.
The only reason many are still complient in the Lockdown madness is through the incessant generation of fear, and the millions of workers still on furlough.
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09/02/2021 11:34:36 7 10
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Funny how most other countries managed to do it for a fraction of the cost and without the award of huge contracts to their friends and family. The Good Law Project will expose this. But don't feel guilty about things Paul. Not your fault we have this Tory government.
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xlr
09/02/2021 11:41:51 17 1
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The phone call model was always doomed to fail; as country we're so wearied by endless cold callers and spammers that we don't tend to pick up phone numbers we don't recognise.
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09/02/2021 11:53:20 4 0
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Appointing the great Cheltenham virus spreader to mismanage it was the first mistake.
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09/02/2021 11:17:28 64 7
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It would be interesting to find out how many of those 1.7 million have actually self-isolated. That's the true measure of test and trace's effectiveness.
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09/02/2021 11:23:48 46 5
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I did, as did my family and as did the other people who we had been in contacft with on Xmas Day.

On top of that we were all contacted periodically by Test and Trace (every one of them lovely) and we were contacted again at the end of 10 days to double check we were symptom free before coming out of quarantine.

Don't believe everything you read.
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09/02/2021 11:54:50 9 5
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If the whole country had your attitude we wouldn’t have as many deaths. Unfortunately a substantial number would rather do as they please and sit back and blame Boris. Thank you for your efforts
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09/02/2021 12:22:46 3 3
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And your posts. e.g. you slated Sturgeon closing pubs at 10pm and taking people freedoms away, then later in day when Johnson did the same and was challenged by Starmer on doing so, used the fact that Scotland, Wales and NI, already doing so, as the basis for the need to do so.

You have history or running down any decision taken elsewhere then supporting it when Johnson does get around to it.
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09/02/2021 12:43:17 1 0
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That's an awful lot of people affected just for a meet up which was advised against in the first place as it wasn't worth the risk.
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09/02/2021 22:51:11 0 2
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bet you were all symptom free, like almost everyone else amongst the 1.7 million.
this system is a very poor, very expensive joke!
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09/02/2021 11:17:28 64 7
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It would be interesting to find out how many of those 1.7 million have actually self-isolated. That's the true measure of test and trace's effectiveness.
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09/02/2021 11:23:56 3 8
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It would be nice when things return to normal that we have a proper discussion on the (mis)use of Big Data...
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09/02/2021 13:03:49 1 2
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We tried to do that after the cambridge analytica story and how big data was used to influence the BREXIT vote.... whatever happened to that?
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09/02/2021 11:23:57 11 14
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So is this good news or bad news, Comrades?

Will you be praising the government for organising a vaccination programme which has now reached some 20% of the UK population?

Perhaps they will instead attempt to change the subject, reort to childish name-calling, insults & abuse ('Bozo the clown' seems to be a favourite at the moment)

Or perhaps some good old fashioned socialist 'whataboutery'
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09/02/2021 11:25:13 12 8
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Ironic claiming “whataboutery” in a post that’s entirely deflection ??
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BBB
09/02/2021 11:28:35 5 4
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Think it was the nhs that organied the programme. They should have been in charge of trace nd trace as well. So vaccination is going well lets ignore all the other failures? Madness
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09/02/2021 11:29:36 3 2
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I'll say this... the government have done a half-decent job with the NHS App to fix the massive mess they made handling the virus in the first place.

I think that's about as complimentary as anyone possibly can be towards the government when discussing Covid.

I'd also like to mention the scientists whose efforts will help society move on from Covid, but you'd call that "changing the subject".
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09/02/2021 11:31:09 3 3
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Whataboutery about whataboutery.
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09/02/2021 11:51:54 2 1
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So you think being responsible for thousands of unnecessary deaths is a good thing then.
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09/02/2021 11:56:40 1 1
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And yet they've only administered half the required dose (only the first dose so far) so the figures look better than they are. At the end of the day it's how many preventable deaths have occurred, and some of the ideas implemented by this government are astonishingly bad, like EOTHO and the fact that direct flights without checks from SA are still happening; why are the Govt. so slow!!
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09/02/2021 13:27:41 0 0
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"Will you be praising the government for organising a vaccination programme which has now reached some 20% of the UK population?"

Only if or when it makes a meaningful difference to these restrictions.
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09/02/2021 11:18:31 9 7
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It was good for getting you into establishments that demanded you used it. Other than that, from my experience a total failure. I mean fancy alerting you 10 days after the last contact with the carrier. Really?
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Bob
09/02/2021 11:24:33 4 1
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Incubation is ~5 days. So you'd be coming to the end of you being contagious by that time, sure, but remember if you did discover you were positive you could have met others that same day who now know they need to isolate, when they otherwise would not have.
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09/02/2021 11:21:52 7 4
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Blair is no idol of mine.
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09/02/2021 11:24:36 7 9
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Sorry you must have been craving comrade Corbyn.
Or more likely the great leader - Sturgeon (who appears to have selective memory) lol
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09/02/2021 11:16:55 33 34
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£22bn spent on track and trace?! Johnson must not be permitted to simply walk away with a diary full of lucrative after dinner speeches, taking no accountability for the fraud and damage he has wrought on our U.K. #jailjohnson
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Bob
09/02/2021 11:24:57 4 5
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You would support not testing anybody then?
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09/02/2021 11:29:12 6 9
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Of course I support testing - but they’ve made such a mess of it that all they have to rely on now is the vaccines. The borders are STILL wide open. Mismanagement, flippancy and fraud. Johnson must not be permitted to simply walk from this.
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09/02/2021 11:23:57 11 14
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So is this good news or bad news, Comrades?

Will you be praising the government for organising a vaccination programme which has now reached some 20% of the UK population?

Perhaps they will instead attempt to change the subject, reort to childish name-calling, insults & abuse ('Bozo the clown' seems to be a favourite at the moment)

Or perhaps some good old fashioned socialist 'whataboutery'
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09/02/2021 11:25:13 12 8
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Ironic claiming “whataboutery” in a post that’s entirely deflection ??
Thank you for proving my points, Comrade

PMSL
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09/02/2021 11:20:29 11 18
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I can't imagine the number of people in priority groups 1-4 (and to a lesser extent 5-9) having a smartphone let alone downloading the app being very high.
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09/02/2021 11:25:13 10 4
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Millions of people in groups 1-9 will have smartphones and I expect millions in those groups have downloaded the app. These groups cover everyone over 50 and/or clinically vulnerable. Most people in their 50s and 60s have smartphones.
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09/02/2021 11:29:15 1 1
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A lot of 60 plus I know don't want a smartphone
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09/02/2021 11:35:27 0 4
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Well in that case the app is a total failure given the high case and death rate...
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09/02/2021 11:54:04 0 0
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Tosh !!!
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09/02/2021 11:15:23 23 27
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£13,000 per person to tell them to isolate. Not bad it you're a Tory Chum.
Grow up. Did you do it? I doubt it. Removed
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09/02/2021 11:32:12 2 6
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What makes you think you know a think about me to make a judgment? What?
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09/02/2021 11:20:02 57 24
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Those people with the app can be told to isolate, lose earnings and be fined £10,000 if they don't isolate.

Those people without the app won't be told to isolate, won't lose earning and won't be fined.

It's a no brainer.
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09/02/2021 11:26:19 26 6
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That is not true. The app is anonymous so people told to isolate cannot be identified.
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09/02/2021 11:30:06 7 13
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Lol. Give me just your mobile number or IP address and I can idenitfy you within minutes!
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09/02/2021 11:54:42 2 6
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Gullible !!!
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09/02/2021 12:04:39 1 0
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Quite right, I had some time off with symptoms before getting a test.

In the app it asks what symptoms I had, I answered new cough and it told me to isolate.

Easy work around was to just uninstall it. I wasn't called or contacted.

I booked a test 2 days later through another platform not linked to the app.
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09/02/2021 13:35:28 0 0
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Nor is it a £10,000 fine for failing to isolate.
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09/02/2021 14:00:43 1 2
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And that is 'EXACTLY' why it has not made one iota of differnce! A Perfunctory, Knee jerk, measure which the government has 'thrown FIAT Currency at'! Serco and their Cheif Exec have pocketed a fortune out of a White Elephant!
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10/02/2021 08:58:15 0 0
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I have no idea about some of the technical details but if asked whether I feel the app is anonymous, not with this gov!
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09/02/2021 11:26:21 12 10
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A vanity project is what it became. It could have worked had people been paid for isolating. But when you have government ministers who still get their ££££ salaries when they isolate, telling the plebs who get nothing that they should isolate out of civic duty, you have total failure.
Next.
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09/02/2021 12:14:55 0 0
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If you had that, everyone would be sharing CV positive phones in order to get a ping ping holiday.
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09/02/2021 11:15:23 23 27
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£13,000 per person to tell them to isolate. Not bad it you're a Tory Chum.
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Bob
09/02/2021 11:27:00 12 3
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I see you've taken £22 billion and divided by 1.7m app users.

Fake news from you, unfortunately.

The £22bn includes *everything* related to testing and tracing. The app did not cost £22bn. Tracing does not cost £22bn.

The cost of tests and processing those tests is where the spend has gone. We perform hundreds of thousands of tests per day. Manufacturers are not handing them out for free.
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09/02/2021 11:24:32 33 13
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Unfortunately I think many people played the 'ignorance is bliss' card and still go about their daily activities like everything is normal and they're not spreading it. I've come to realise that there are many more selfish and ignorant people in the UK who will always prioritise their own personal gain or benefit over that of everyone else
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09/02/2021 11:34:56 27 33
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Perhaps they are exercising their freedom to go about their lawful businesses, as opposed to those in government who are just creating new laws every day, every minute, depriving citizens & serfs alike of every thing they hold dear; this to save people who would have died from fuel poverty & flu, like they do every year - what price are you willing to pay to live forever & forever...............
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09/02/2021 11:37:54 13 11
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It's a virus, one that has killed just 100,000 people over almost 12 months, in context over 12 million people deemed "at risk" have been vaccinated, yet are still alive to receive the vaccine 12 months later. Over 4 million have tested positive with likely double that been infected, yet are still alive. No wonder many aren't panicking and carrying on with live. This isn't a deadly virus!
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09/02/2021 11:44:28 2 7
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millions of £s in tory party cronies pockets; welcome to the universal covid fund set up to fund pension funds for liars, warmongers, arms sellers - they must need it for their lavish lifestyles; i haven't seen if p green is going to be awarded a government contract as he may have had to get rid of at least one of his yachts, dido will help im sure
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09/02/2021 11:50:04 3 4
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And they voted for Brexit and Boris.
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09/02/2021 12:06:33 0 0
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Ironic
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09/02/2021 13:23:09 2 1
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"I've come to realise that there are many more selfish and ignorant people in the UK"

I've come to realise just how many people like to judge others. But good that we've both learned something.
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09/02/2021 22:54:45 1 0
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and there is another group of very selfish people who are happy to see the jobs and financial security of others burned by never ending lockdowns and mask wearing.
I think large numbers of people are actually enjoying this situation.
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Emm
09/02/2021 11:27:16 1 4
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I believe I had a false positive contact, having been into a supermarket for just a few minutes with a mask on I have no idea how I was in close contact with anyone else long enough to have registered and then notified that another person had a positive test result. I didn't go to any other place on the day the contact was supposed yo have taken place.
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09/02/2021 11:17:28 64 7
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It would be interesting to find out how many of those 1.7 million have actually self-isolated. That's the true measure of test and trace's effectiveness.
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09/02/2021 11:27:59 7 4
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I don't think it measures if the app is effective - more if the user's brain is effective
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09/02/2021 11:28:11 11 11
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A useless and expensive experiment which at least provides some comfort to the frigid masses and the belief of a government in control.
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09/02/2021 11:23:57 11 14
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So is this good news or bad news, Comrades?

Will you be praising the government for organising a vaccination programme which has now reached some 20% of the UK population?

Perhaps they will instead attempt to change the subject, reort to childish name-calling, insults & abuse ('Bozo the clown' seems to be a favourite at the moment)

Or perhaps some good old fashioned socialist 'whataboutery'
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BBB
09/02/2021 11:28:35 5 4
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Think it was the nhs that organied the programme. They should have been in charge of trace nd trace as well. So vaccination is going well lets ignore all the other failures? Madness
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09/02/2021 11:28:40 8 5
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And how many of those have followed the advice. If you can't isolate because you need money to live, you will just ignore it. Until SSP matches your actual pay, people will ignore it. I don't even have the app.
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09/02/2021 11:38:44 6 4
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Why would anyone have the app if they intend to ignore it?

People with the attitude of meh towards the advice will have the meh attitude to the app in the first place, just like you.
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baz
09/02/2021 11:52:19 0 0
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You make an partially interesting point. SSP is one thing. But how come furlough payments were up to 2500 notes a month for people in privilieged positions already and they also got mortgage holidays, when Universal Credit is about a fifth of that... surely if Universal credit was enough for people to live on that was all the was required for furlough as well????
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09/02/2021 13:10:18 0 0
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Probably around 1 in 10 at best. As you rightly note, many can't afford to isolate.
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PS
09/02/2021 11:29:01 22 6
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The intention and App was fine what wasn’t expected was members of the public complying. Seems the media scarcely deals with the elephant in the room which is members of society taking responsibility. This in my view will also not be taken into account when the inevitable public inquiry takes place. It’s too easy to criticise the government and health experts.
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09/02/2021 11:48:52 2 12
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It is when they are self interested incompetents.
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09/02/2021 13:08:26 0 0
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Any solution has to take into account possible non-compliance from the target audience. And you say it is too easy to criticise the Govt but it seems pretty easy for you and many others here to criticise everyone else. Neither will change anythng.
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Bob
09/02/2021 11:24:57 4 5
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You would support not testing anybody then?
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09/02/2021 11:29:12 6 9
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Of course I support testing - but they’ve made such a mess of it that all they have to rely on now is the vaccines. The borders are STILL wide open. Mismanagement, flippancy and fraud. Johnson must not be permitted to simply walk from this.
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09/02/2021 11:31:32 5 4
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Fraud is a serious allegation and I presume you have concrete proof of those allegations. I presume you don’t
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Bob
09/02/2021 11:35:20 6 2
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So if you support testing why are you upset that they've spent billions on tests and running tests centres and testing more people than almost any other country?
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09/02/2021 11:25:13 10 4
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Millions of people in groups 1-9 will have smartphones and I expect millions in those groups have downloaded the app. These groups cover everyone over 50 and/or clinically vulnerable. Most people in their 50s and 60s have smartphones.
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09/02/2021 11:29:15 1 1
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A lot of 60 plus I know don't want a smartphone
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09/02/2021 11:23:57 11 14
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So is this good news or bad news, Comrades?

Will you be praising the government for organising a vaccination programme which has now reached some 20% of the UK population?

Perhaps they will instead attempt to change the subject, reort to childish name-calling, insults & abuse ('Bozo the clown' seems to be a favourite at the moment)

Or perhaps some good old fashioned socialist 'whataboutery'
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09/02/2021 11:29:36 3 2
bbc
I'll say this... the government have done a half-decent job with the NHS App to fix the massive mess they made handling the virus in the first place.

I think that's about as complimentary as anyone possibly can be towards the government when discussing Covid.

I'd also like to mention the scientists whose efforts will help society move on from Covid, but you'd call that "changing the subject".
231
09/02/2021 13:32:00 0 0
bbc
"the government have done a half-decent job with the NHS App"

They haven't, at all. Very few places have the QR code available, and very few use it when it is available. And we know most of those told to isolate don't do so. The quoted figured on protecting people are more Govt fiction.
35
09/02/2021 11:29:50 7 3
bbc
"they acknowledge that they cannot be certain that usage of the app caused all of the effects being attributed to it"

Normally this would lead to a lot of people shouting down the BBC, telling them to only report facts & not speculation. Somehow, I don't get the impression that'll be the case this time.
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09/02/2021 11:48:35 7 7
bbc
Yes, another 'yet-to-be-peer-reviewed' article strike the BBC.

If peer review debunks this will there be a huge headline like;

BBC misinforms the public because of needy journalism
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09/02/2021 11:22:48 40 18
bbc
Test and trace was a great idea but unfortunately large swathes of the population didn’t download it or switched it off to avoid self isolation. Thousands possibly millions of breaches of lockdown indicate why it didn’t work as hoped. Our selfish society made it less than perfect not politicians or scientists.
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jon
09/02/2021 11:29:56 14 16
bbc
Except prof lockdown was one of the first to break the rules.
52
09/02/2021 11:34:52 13 2
bbc
Just because he's an idiot doesn't mean that you have to follow his lead.

If he jumped off a cliff would you do it as well ?
102
09/02/2021 11:51:14 4 0
bbc
Pointless comment.
141
09/02/2021 11:57:50 5 0
bbc
Any comment on Kinnock or Blackford or are you just anti Westminster
22
09/02/2021 11:26:19 26 6
bbc
That is not true. The app is anonymous so people told to isolate cannot be identified.
37
09/02/2021 11:30:06 7 13
bbc
Lol. Give me just your mobile number or IP address and I can idenitfy you within minutes!
58
09/02/2021 11:36:32 9 5
bbc
No, you really can't.
229
09/02/2021 13:35:07 3 0
bbc
194.37.96.183
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09/02/2021 11:25:13 12 8
bbc
Ironic claiming “whataboutery” in a post that’s entirely deflection ??
Thank you for proving my points, Comrade

PMSL
Removed
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09/02/2021 11:22:48 40 18
bbc
Test and trace was a great idea but unfortunately large swathes of the population didn’t download it or switched it off to avoid self isolation. Thousands possibly millions of breaches of lockdown indicate why it didn’t work as hoped. Our selfish society made it less than perfect not politicians or scientists.
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09/02/2021 11:30:30 8 10
bbc
I think there are many people now, who recognize the misalignment between what they are being told by the Gov't & media is true, and what their own logic and observations tell them is true.
The only reason many are still complient in the Lockdown madness is through the incessant generation of fear, and the millions of workers still on furlough.
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09/02/2021 11:49:16 4 1
bbc
My own logic and observations tell me there are a damn sight more people with the virus now than last summer. By August I couldn't cite one example of anyone I knew having been infected. Now I know of several. So I remain sensible and keep my distance.

Oh, and it's "compliant".
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BBB
09/02/2021 11:30:35 2 7
bbc
My daughter was told to isolate because the bluetooth picked up next doors covid positive test. They live in a semi and had no contact should she still use the app?????
47
09/02/2021 11:32:44 9 7
bbc
No. Delete it.
60
09/02/2021 11:37:06 0 4
bbc
Impossible
72
09/02/2021 11:41:34 0 2
bbc
Forget the app.
Tell her to work harder, save her earnings & move to a detached house.
Or find another internet provider/bluetooth device??
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09/02/2021 11:46:01 1 0
bbc
Bluetooth is not a good measure of distance, it can go from several metres outside, to virtually nothing if there is a radiator or fridge next to you.
Harad Bluetooth was a Scandinavian chieftain who United the tribes of Norway.
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09/02/2021 11:38:17 0 1
bbc
Yes.
15
09/02/2021 11:23:57 11 14
bbc
So is this good news or bad news, Comrades?

Will you be praising the government for organising a vaccination programme which has now reached some 20% of the UK population?

Perhaps they will instead attempt to change the subject, reort to childish name-calling, insults & abuse ('Bozo the clown' seems to be a favourite at the moment)

Or perhaps some good old fashioned socialist 'whataboutery'
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09/02/2021 11:31:09 3 3
bbc
Whataboutery about whataboutery.
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09/02/2021 11:31:12 3 16
bbc
Keep drinking the kool aid people, give away your freedoms, data, to organisations who do not have your interest at heart, just their own medal winning performances; currently, after being labelled sick man of europe, uk is leading the vaccination competition; it is important to win useless wars; war on drugs, war on terror, war on a virus - if only i could be a fly on the wall
5
09/02/2021 11:18:31 9 7
bbc
It was good for getting you into establishments that demanded you used it. Other than that, from my experience a total failure. I mean fancy alerting you 10 days after the last contact with the carrier. Really?
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PS
09/02/2021 11:31:21 0 1
bbc
That’s cos the person you had been in contact with only developed to was aware they were infected. Honestly we seem to live in a world where I must have it now. BTW did you isolate?
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09/02/2021 11:29:12 6 9
bbc
Of course I support testing - but they’ve made such a mess of it that all they have to rely on now is the vaccines. The borders are STILL wide open. Mismanagement, flippancy and fraud. Johnson must not be permitted to simply walk from this.
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09/02/2021 11:31:32 5 4
bbc
Fraud is a serious allegation and I presume you have concrete proof of those allegations. I presume you don’t
Grow up. Did you do it? I doubt it. Removed
45
09/02/2021 11:32:12 2 6
bbc
What makes you think you know a think about me to make a judgment? What?
128
09/02/2021 11:55:43 1 1
bbc
Because your comments asks for replies.
1
09/02/2021 11:15:23 23 27
bbc
£13,000 per person to tell them to isolate. Not bad it you're a Tory Chum.
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09/02/2021 11:32:13 6 1
bbc
Or if you are an optimist; the cost of treating up to 600,000 people is much greater than that spent on the app, so a good Tory investment which was backed by Labour too.
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09/02/2021 11:37:54 2 9
bbc
It's not about whether it had to be done or not, of course it had to. What is is about is who received enormous government contracts with little or no tendering process. And how many of those beneficiaries have connections to the government (Tory donors, friends and families of ministers, even Hancock's local landlord).
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BBB
09/02/2021 11:30:35 2 7
bbc
My daughter was told to isolate because the bluetooth picked up next doors covid positive test. They live in a semi and had no contact should she still use the app?????
47
09/02/2021 11:32:44 9 7
bbc
No. Delete it.
10
09/02/2021 11:20:29 11 18
bbc
I can't imagine the number of people in priority groups 1-4 (and to a lesser extent 5-9) having a smartphone let alone downloading the app being very high.
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09/02/2021 11:33:18 3 1
bbc
I've been organising shopping for shielders / isolators and you'd be surprised: even in the oldest age groups a lot of people do have at least a basic smartphone. Obviously vulnerable people should be avoiding contact with anyone anyway - so the app is pretty much irrelevent for those categories.
3
09/02/2021 11:16:55 33 34
bbc
£22bn spent on track and trace?! Johnson must not be permitted to simply walk away with a diary full of lucrative after dinner speeches, taking no accountability for the fraud and damage he has wrought on our U.K. #jailjohnson
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09/02/2021 11:33:24 6 2
bbc
You do realise that this includes the cost of the tests, the test centres, the labs, contact tracers etc not just the app? The UK are doing several hundred thousand tests every day.
50
09/02/2021 11:33:32 1 6
bbc
For anyone living close to the England/Scotland border who crosses the border regularly as a key worker this app is totally useless. Why? Because as soon as it is downloaded it stops the corresponding Scottish app from working! Uninstalled it - how many others have done the same?
98
09/02/2021 11:37:45 2 1
bbc
So why not have a single uk wide app?

Who do we think would not go for that ?
12
09/02/2021 11:22:48 40 18
bbc
Test and trace was a great idea but unfortunately large swathes of the population didn’t download it or switched it off to avoid self isolation. Thousands possibly millions of breaches of lockdown indicate why it didn’t work as hoped. Our selfish society made it less than perfect not politicians or scientists.
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09/02/2021 11:34:36 7 10
bbc
Funny how most other countries managed to do it for a fraction of the cost and without the award of huge contracts to their friends and family. The Good Law Project will expose this. But don't feel guilty about things Paul. Not your fault we have this Tory government.
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jon
09/02/2021 11:29:56 14 16
bbc
Except prof lockdown was one of the first to break the rules.
52
09/02/2021 11:34:52 13 2
bbc
Just because he's an idiot doesn't mean that you have to follow his lead.

If he jumped off a cliff would you do it as well ?
25
09/02/2021 11:24:32 33 13
bbc
Unfortunately I think many people played the 'ignorance is bliss' card and still go about their daily activities like everything is normal and they're not spreading it. I've come to realise that there are many more selfish and ignorant people in the UK who will always prioritise their own personal gain or benefit over that of everyone else
53
09/02/2021 11:34:56 27 33
bbc
Perhaps they are exercising their freedom to go about their lawful businesses, as opposed to those in government who are just creating new laws every day, every minute, depriving citizens & serfs alike of every thing they hold dear; this to save people who would have died from fuel poverty & flu, like they do every year - what price are you willing to pay to live forever & forever...............
108
09/02/2021 11:52:42 1 3
bbc
You could just say "Because of their Stupidity".
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09/02/2021 11:54:00 2 0
bbc
Indeed Sir
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xlr
09/02/2021 12:00:28 1 1
bbc
Wishful thinking. You're only prolonging the problem and provoking ever greater crackdowns on personal liberty.
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09/02/2021 11:18:55 14 13
bbc
And ignored countless times by the 'me too, selfish brigade' of Covaidiots who ignore the rules, attend illegal raves/parties, as the fines and police evidence shows. Now wonder the infection rates have taken so long to get under control.

Want to understand it. Go back to 1666 and the Great Plague
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-51904810
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09/02/2021 11:35:00 12 6
bbc
Over 70% of infections occur in hospitals and care homes. But ignore facts and blame the "selfish brigade" based on no evidence.
65
09/02/2021 11:37:54 2 3
bbc
Care to post a peer reviewed paper and credible link to back up your claims
32
09/02/2021 11:29:12 6 9
bbc
Of course I support testing - but they’ve made such a mess of it that all they have to rely on now is the vaccines. The borders are STILL wide open. Mismanagement, flippancy and fraud. Johnson must not be permitted to simply walk from this.
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Bob
09/02/2021 11:35:20 6 2
bbc
So if you support testing why are you upset that they've spent billions on tests and running tests centres and testing more people than almost any other country?
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09/02/2021 11:35:24 3 8
bbc
I decided NOT to download the AP.

Too likely to have a false positive from a Bluetooth if you are the other side of a barrier.

The government never ruled out penalizing people if they failed to self-isolate on the instructions of the AP.

I stick to social distancing.
77
09/02/2021 11:43:32 1 5
bbc
Very bright
126
09/02/2021 11:47:58 0 2
bbc
"Too likely to have a false positive from a Bluetooth"

I'd say it's the opposite. It only registers contact after 15 mins of proximity (with very low accuracy as Bluetooth isn't designed to measure distance). And I'm pretty sure it doesn't take that long to catch a virus.
131
09/02/2021 11:53:22 0 0
bbc
The advice on the NHS website is to turn off the app when you are behind a barrier. Unfortunately this may not be widely known.
20
09/02/2021 11:25:13 10 4
bbc
Millions of people in groups 1-9 will have smartphones and I expect millions in those groups have downloaded the app. These groups cover everyone over 50 and/or clinically vulnerable. Most people in their 50s and 60s have smartphones.
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09/02/2021 11:35:27 0 4
bbc
Well in that case the app is a total failure given the high case and death rate...
90
09/02/2021 11:48:34 1 0
bbc
Why? The app will tell you to isolate if you have been in contact with someone who has the virus. It won't stop you getting the virus, it is about stopping you potentially passing it on. Also, it will only give an alert if someone you have been in close contact with enters a positive result into the app.
37
09/02/2021 11:30:06 7 13
bbc
Lol. Give me just your mobile number or IP address and I can idenitfy you within minutes!
58
09/02/2021 11:36:32 9 5
bbc
No, you really can't.
83
09/02/2021 11:46:27 4 11
bbc
Lol. Ignorance is what allowed that app to be installed on so many peoples phones.

Every mobile phone has an unique IMEI number. The SIM can be changed but as the phone registers to the network the IMEI and SIM's IMSI number are linked. Every bit of mobile data sent to that phone is linked to the IMSI and your billing details are also linked to the IMSI.
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09/02/2021 11:36:53 5 11
bbc
With the technology available, they can see when people should be isolating and don't, just contact the old bill if the tracking shows folk to be leaving their house when they should be isolating. This should already be happening!!
70
09/02/2021 11:40:51 5 2
bbc
The app is anonymous so no-one knows who should be isolating.
74
09/02/2021 11:42:42 5 1
bbc
Police state tactics like N and S Korea, Taiwan etc
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09/02/2021 11:45:08 1 2
bbc
They can't, it is anonymous. And if it wasn't far fewer would be using it.

I don't bother using it any more as it seems a complete waste of time. I don't see anyone scanning the QR codes any more, and most places have never even had them.
40
BBB
09/02/2021 11:30:35 2 7
bbc
My daughter was told to isolate because the bluetooth picked up next doors covid positive test. They live in a semi and had no contact should she still use the app?????
60
09/02/2021 11:37:06 0 4
bbc
Impossible
5
09/02/2021 11:18:31 9 7
bbc
It was good for getting you into establishments that demanded you used it. Other than that, from my experience a total failure. I mean fancy alerting you 10 days after the last contact with the carrier. Really?
61
09/02/2021 11:37:10 0 1
bbc
And when did that person enter the positive test result into the app? It can't contact you until the carrier has done that.
6
09/02/2021 11:18:55 14 13
bbc
And ignored countless times by the 'me too, selfish brigade' of Covaidiots who ignore the rules, attend illegal raves/parties, as the fines and police evidence shows. Now wonder the infection rates have taken so long to get under control.

Want to understand it. Go back to 1666 and the Great Plague
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-51904810
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09/02/2021 11:37:53 2 1
bbc
To be fair, in 1666 smartphone usage was considerably lower.
25
09/02/2021 11:24:32 33 13
bbc
Unfortunately I think many people played the 'ignorance is bliss' card and still go about their daily activities like everything is normal and they're not spreading it. I've come to realise that there are many more selfish and ignorant people in the UK who will always prioritise their own personal gain or benefit over that of everyone else
63
09/02/2021 11:37:54 13 11
bbc
It's a virus, one that has killed just 100,000 people over almost 12 months, in context over 12 million people deemed "at risk" have been vaccinated, yet are still alive to receive the vaccine 12 months later. Over 4 million have tested positive with likely double that been infected, yet are still alive. No wonder many aren't panicking and carrying on with live. This isn't a deadly virus!
46
09/02/2021 11:32:13 6 1
bbc
Or if you are an optimist; the cost of treating up to 600,000 people is much greater than that spent on the app, so a good Tory investment which was backed by Labour too.
64
09/02/2021 11:37:54 2 9
bbc
It's not about whether it had to be done or not, of course it had to. What is is about is who received enormous government contracts with little or no tendering process. And how many of those beneficiaries have connections to the government (Tory donors, friends and families of ministers, even Hancock's local landlord).
135
09/02/2021 11:56:21 2 1
bbc
Provide the evidence then. You obviously know.
54
09/02/2021 11:35:00 12 6
bbc
Over 70% of infections occur in hospitals and care homes. But ignore facts and blame the "selfish brigade" based on no evidence.
65
09/02/2021 11:37:54 2 3
bbc
Care to post a peer reviewed paper and credible link to back up your claims
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Bob
09/02/2021 11:59:38 0 0
bbc
I think they've confused cases with where deaths occurred. The number of cases attributable to healthcare in the first wave was about ~25%.
173
09/02/2021 12:12:27 0 3
bbc
Don't look, so don't find, although there is some data in the infamous Oxford mask report where it also proves that masks are not the magic safeguard that we are told.

Would you really want to be near anybody who said 'Hi I spend 8 hours a day next to someone with CV, take my shopping trolley / bus seat' etc?

That is where enforced self isolation is needed - the staff going to and fro.
66
09/02/2021 11:38:44 14 7
bbc
Not much point having the app in a largely disobedient and recalcitrant society.
85
09/02/2021 11:47:19 4 5
bbc
If it helps a few, all well and good.

As for the others who don't want to know, let them find out the hard way
30
09/02/2021 11:28:40 8 5
bbc
And how many of those have followed the advice. If you can't isolate because you need money to live, you will just ignore it. Until SSP matches your actual pay, people will ignore it. I don't even have the app.
67
09/02/2021 11:38:44 6 4
bbc
Why would anyone have the app if they intend to ignore it?

People with the attitude of meh towards the advice will have the meh attitude to the app in the first place, just like you.
225
09/02/2021 13:12:29 0 0
bbc
Curiosity. If I ever need space on my phone that nonsense will be the first to get deleted.
1
09/02/2021 11:15:23 23 27
bbc
£13,000 per person to tell them to isolate. Not bad it you're a Tory Chum.
68
09/02/2021 11:39:17 7 1
bbc
So you are attributing the total cost of test and trace to the app. You do realise that this includes the cost of the tests, the test centres, the labs, contact tracers etc not just the app? The UK are doing several hundred thousand tests every day. Many more people will have isolated having been contacted via the contact tracers.
75
09/02/2021 11:42:48 3 8
bbc
That is true. But you can't ignore the fact that our government has spent huge amounts of our money on the T&T system. Other countries have spent a fraction of the money and have far more efficient systems. And yet so many of those lucrative contracts have gone to Tory donors.....somehow.
Or you can just put your head back in the sand.
69
09/02/2021 11:40:16 5 12
bbc
App released in September.

Highest case and death rates in December going into January.

Sounds like a disaster to me...
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baz
09/02/2021 11:47:42 5 2
bbc
It all depends on how you score a "death due to covid". For me, someone who is over 80 years old and has multiple co-morbidity is not death due to covid... at some point people get old enough and frail enough that a cold winter will kill them. We have been dodging any population control for decades, now we're seeing the results.
59
09/02/2021 11:36:53 5 11
bbc
With the technology available, they can see when people should be isolating and don't, just contact the old bill if the tracking shows folk to be leaving their house when they should be isolating. This should already be happening!!
70
09/02/2021 11:40:51 5 2
bbc
The app is anonymous so no-one knows who should be isolating.
6
09/02/2021 11:18:55 14 13
bbc
And ignored countless times by the 'me too, selfish brigade' of Covaidiots who ignore the rules, attend illegal raves/parties, as the fines and police evidence shows. Now wonder the infection rates have taken so long to get under control.

Want to understand it. Go back to 1666 and the Great Plague
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-51904810
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09/02/2021 11:40:58 1 6
bbc
While we still live is this so called democracy, where we can only police with consent of the people - bojo, arch liar, pants on fire - the day i believe anything spouting out of his cake hole, is the day i will get the vaccine, download the app or go to hospital, any hospital for treatment - its where you go to die, without seeing your relatives because its unlawful to hold yr dying relative
40
BBB
09/02/2021 11:30:35 2 7
bbc
My daughter was told to isolate because the bluetooth picked up next doors covid positive test. They live in a semi and had no contact should she still use the app?????
72
09/02/2021 11:41:34 0 2
bbc
Forget the app.
Tell her to work harder, save her earnings & move to a detached house.
Or find another internet provider/bluetooth device??
12
09/02/2021 11:22:48 40 18
bbc
Test and trace was a great idea but unfortunately large swathes of the population didn’t download it or switched it off to avoid self isolation. Thousands possibly millions of breaches of lockdown indicate why it didn’t work as hoped. Our selfish society made it less than perfect not politicians or scientists.
73
xlr
09/02/2021 11:41:51 17 1
bbc
The phone call model was always doomed to fail; as country we're so wearied by endless cold callers and spammers that we don't tend to pick up phone numbers we don't recognise.
59
09/02/2021 11:36:53 5 11
bbc
With the technology available, they can see when people should be isolating and don't, just contact the old bill if the tracking shows folk to be leaving their house when they should be isolating. This should already be happening!!
74
09/02/2021 11:42:42 5 1
bbc
Police state tactics like N and S Korea, Taiwan etc
104
09/02/2021 11:51:48 3 1
bbc
The sort of technology and controls used in Hong Kong, South Korea and China to monitor movements and check you are isolating is so intrusive that it probably wouldn't even be legal in Europe. Certainly no European would ever stand for it.
110
09/02/2021 11:52:46 1 3
bbc
Exactly, we need to get rid of it don't we? Why should the majority suffer for the minority who are idiots?
68
09/02/2021 11:39:17 7 1
bbc
So you are attributing the total cost of test and trace to the app. You do realise that this includes the cost of the tests, the test centres, the labs, contact tracers etc not just the app? The UK are doing several hundred thousand tests every day. Many more people will have isolated having been contacted via the contact tracers.
75
09/02/2021 11:42:48 3 8
bbc
That is true. But you can't ignore the fact that our government has spent huge amounts of our money on the T&T system. Other countries have spent a fraction of the money and have far more efficient systems. And yet so many of those lucrative contracts have gone to Tory donors.....somehow.
Or you can just put your head back in the sand.
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Bob
09/02/2021 11:50:58 5 3
bbc
They've spent less because they are doing less. You've been shown up with your fake news maths now take the L.

If you didn't give anything to Tory donors you wouldn't give out anything to anyone. They are the party of business. Move along.
133
09/02/2021 11:55:52 3 1
bbc
Other countries have done a fraction of the number of tests we have done. Our system is efficient now and seems to be catching most of the people who give details and actually answer the phone.
139
09/02/2021 11:56:57 3 1
bbc
Changing your story now then.
76
09/02/2021 11:43:02 5 10
bbc
1.4 million I know better attitude, explains why the virus enjoys killing people
56
09/02/2021 11:35:24 3 8
bbc
I decided NOT to download the AP.

Too likely to have a false positive from a Bluetooth if you are the other side of a barrier.

The government never ruled out penalizing people if they failed to self-isolate on the instructions of the AP.

I stick to social distancing.
77
09/02/2021 11:43:32 1 5
bbc
Very bright
25
09/02/2021 11:24:32 33 13
bbc
Unfortunately I think many people played the 'ignorance is bliss' card and still go about their daily activities like everything is normal and they're not spreading it. I've come to realise that there are many more selfish and ignorant people in the UK who will always prioritise their own personal gain or benefit over that of everyone else
78
09/02/2021 11:44:28 2 7
bbc
millions of £s in tory party cronies pockets; welcome to the universal covid fund set up to fund pension funds for liars, warmongers, arms sellers - they must need it for their lavish lifestyles; i haven't seen if p green is going to be awarded a government contract as he may have had to get rid of at least one of his yachts, dido will help im sure
Removed
7
09/02/2021 11:19:37 20 20
bbc
rather like your idol Blair then ?
80
09/02/2021 11:34:31 1 2
bbc
We are talking about bb Johnson here as he is allegedly in charge.
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baz
09/02/2021 11:45:51 5 13
bbc
And this would be precisely why nobody should want this tracking device on their phone. Another level of government control and privileged people telling those who are struggling to put food not their tables to suck up even more poverty. Pretty soon your entire life will be controlled this way. There's high emissions today, stay home stay safe. There's extreme weather today, stay home stay safe...
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BBB
09/02/2021 11:30:35 2 7
bbc
My daughter was told to isolate because the bluetooth picked up next doors covid positive test. They live in a semi and had no contact should she still use the app?????
82
09/02/2021 11:46:01 1 0
bbc
Bluetooth is not a good measure of distance, it can go from several metres outside, to virtually nothing if there is a radiator or fridge next to you.
Harad Bluetooth was a Scandinavian chieftain who United the tribes of Norway.
130
09/02/2021 11:52:57 2 0
bbc
"Bluetooth is not a good measure of distance"

Correct, it estimates proximity based on power. And that can be affected by having a phone in a pocket or bag.
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09/02/2021 11:36:32 9 5
bbc
No, you really can't.
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09/02/2021 11:46:27 4 11
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Lol. Ignorance is what allowed that app to be installed on so many peoples phones.

Every mobile phone has an unique IMEI number. The SIM can be changed but as the phone registers to the network the IMEI and SIM's IMSI number are linked. Every bit of mobile data sent to that phone is linked to the IMSI and your billing details are also linked to the IMSI.
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Bob
09/02/2021 11:56:24 12 2
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And only a select few people inside telecoms networks have access to the data to tie that information together, and someone with such a childish attitude is unlikely to be such a person and to do so would be abuse of data privilege that would land you a prison sentence.
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09/02/2021 12:00:38 5 1
bbc
Billing details? Oh Father, what billing details? I have a phone with absolutely nothing to link it to my name, my address, my bank account - zero identifiable information. The powers that be could have a fair stab at narrowing down my location by calculating from my most often used cells, but even that won't bring them much closer to who or where I am. Not everyone is ignorant.
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09/02/2021 16:20:34 1 0
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That doesn't mean you can identify someone from their IMEA.
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09/02/2021 16:23:25 2 0
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So if I give you a PAYG IMEI you can tell who I am?
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10/02/2021 15:09:25 0 0
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...& Its not that hard to use find/use software that enables you to change the unique IMEI number the phone reports out....
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09/02/2021 11:47:14 3 10
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They would not have hidden the figures for so long if this worked properly - probably been massaging the figures before releasing anything.
If anyone else had performed their role as incompetently as Dildo Harding they would have been removed by now - another Tory waster.
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09/02/2021 11:38:44 14 7
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Not much point having the app in a largely disobedient and recalcitrant society.
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09/02/2021 11:47:19 4 5
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If it helps a few, all well and good.

As for the others who don't want to know, let them find out the hard way
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09/02/2021 11:17:28 64 7
bbc
It would be interesting to find out how many of those 1.7 million have actually self-isolated. That's the true measure of test and trace's effectiveness.
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09/02/2021 11:36:26 6 11
bbc
A true measure of its effectiveness is if whole adult population downloaded it, all activated it and all self isolated when told.

I think if this happened cases would drop massively.

But only arnd 40% of population voted Tory. The rest have a vested interest in not following the instructions.
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09/02/2021 12:41:04 4 1
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I didn't vote Tory and never have done. It's not just Tory voters who follow the rules just people who want to save lives.
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09/02/2021 12:57:09 0 1
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Agreed until the final divisive paragraph
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09/02/2021 14:00:39 1 1
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I didn't vote Tory, I downloaded the app the day it was available. As much as I dislike the party and it's current crop of reprobates, I also don't want to kill someone (even if a small chance) inadvertently through disease. I guess that you can be a decent human being no matter what side of the political divide you're on..... funny that.
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09/02/2021 23:32:34 0 2
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Because otfausterity the other 60% can not afford a smart phone and the extortionate data packages. Join the real work and leave your self entitled middle class unicorn utopia
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09/02/2021 11:47:30 13 3
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Whoever sold the idea that Track and Trace in any guise would work in the UK together with anyone in Govt who believed it should be named & shamed. The British public have shown they struggle with rules, compliance and value privacy over public health. It works in S Korea where the Govt can demand and get phone access but was never going to work here.
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09/02/2021 11:51:05 17 3
bbc
It’s a worldwide problem. Only police state countries have had huge success in track and trace
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09/02/2021 12:05:28 1 0
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Some won't download the app, some won't comply if told to isolate but many have downloaded the app and it does work for them. Just because something doesn't work for some people doesn't invalidate its use for others. The app was only ever one tool to work alongside test and trace, social distancing etc.
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pTc
09/02/2021 12:08:31 3 1
bbc
You write that we value privacy like it is a bad thing. In todays world, our privacy is being eroded faster than the ice caps are melting. I won't download the app because I do not want to be tracked or traced by the government.
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09/02/2021 11:40:16 5 12
bbc
App released in September.

Highest case and death rates in December going into January.

Sounds like a disaster to me...
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baz
09/02/2021 11:47:42 5 2
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It all depends on how you score a "death due to covid". For me, someone who is over 80 years old and has multiple co-morbidity is not death due to covid... at some point people get old enough and frail enough that a cold winter will kill them. We have been dodging any population control for decades, now we're seeing the results.
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09/02/2021 11:16:55 33 34
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£22bn spent on track and trace?! Johnson must not be permitted to simply walk away with a diary full of lucrative after dinner speeches, taking no accountability for the fraud and damage he has wrought on our U.K. #jailjohnson
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09/02/2021 11:48:20 0 6
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Is that right? 22 billion quid? Am I right in saying that that works out at nearly £13,000 per person told to isolate? That's unbelievable.

22,000,000,000 divided by 1,700,000 = 12,941. Is that right?
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Bob
09/02/2021 11:52:30 6 0
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Your maths is correct, but your assumptions are not.

£22bn is the budget allocated to everything testing and tracing related.

The app did not cost £22bn. It includes the actual costs of the tests, it includes running the test centres and so on.

Private tests are £60-100. We perform 100,000s per day. Now re-do your maths.
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09/02/2021 11:59:21 0 0
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No it is not right. 22 billion is the total cost of test and trace including tests, labs, test centres, contact tracing etc. 1.7M is the number of people told to isolate by the app alone. Many more will have been told to isolate through contact tracing.
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09/02/2021 11:35:27 0 4
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Well in that case the app is a total failure given the high case and death rate...
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09/02/2021 11:48:34 1 0
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Why? The app will tell you to isolate if you have been in contact with someone who has the virus. It won't stop you getting the virus, it is about stopping you potentially passing it on. Also, it will only give an alert if someone you have been in close contact with enters a positive result into the app.
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09/02/2021 11:29:50 7 3
bbc
"they acknowledge that they cannot be certain that usage of the app caused all of the effects being attributed to it"

Normally this would lead to a lot of people shouting down the BBC, telling them to only report facts & not speculation. Somehow, I don't get the impression that'll be the case this time.
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09/02/2021 11:48:35 7 7
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Yes, another 'yet-to-be-peer-reviewed' article strike the BBC.

If peer review debunks this will there be a huge headline like;

BBC misinforms the public because of needy journalism
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PS
09/02/2021 11:29:01 22 6
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The intention and App was fine what wasn’t expected was members of the public complying. Seems the media scarcely deals with the elephant in the room which is members of society taking responsibility. This in my view will also not be taken into account when the inevitable public inquiry takes place. It’s too easy to criticise the government and health experts.
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09/02/2021 11:48:52 2 12
bbc
It is when they are self interested incompetents.
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09/02/2021 11:54:04 2 0
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Another pointless comment.
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09/02/2021 12:04:40 1 0
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Care to give actual proof
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09/02/2021 11:48:59 2 6
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1 in 7 are estimated to have had covid. Most have no or very mild symptoms

Most who have had the vaccine have therefore had worse symptoms than they would have with covid although I accept it may save lives. We are still at the MAY stage
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09/02/2021 11:54:23 2 1
bbc
Those who have had the vaccine get worse symptoms when infected that those who haven't? Don't think so mate.
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09/02/2021 12:06:01 0 0
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There's no 'may' about it. Trials involving tens of thousands of volunteers resulted in very high levels of immunity. Millions are now either fully or partially vaccinated and we can track the hospitalisations and deaths. Vaccines are saving lives.
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09/02/2021 11:30:30 8 10
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I think there are many people now, who recognize the misalignment between what they are being told by the Gov't & media is true, and what their own logic and observations tell them is true.
The only reason many are still complient in the Lockdown madness is through the incessant generation of fear, and the millions of workers still on furlough.
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09/02/2021 11:49:16 4 1
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My own logic and observations tell me there are a damn sight more people with the virus now than last summer. By August I couldn't cite one example of anyone I knew having been infected. Now I know of several. So I remain sensible and keep my distance.

Oh, and it's "compliant".
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09/02/2021 11:55:27 1 0
bbc
You should keep your distance, it's a sensible measure.

A Freudian slip perhaps.
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09/02/2021 11:49:19 12 3
bbc
I have not downloaded the app. As its based on Bluetooth technology. I live in an upstairs flat which I can detect my downstairs neighbour's Bluetooth devices from my flat. She was tested positive last month. If I had the app, it would have asked me to self isolate. I work at a supermarket where 5 colleagues were off with covid and a small supermarket so struggle some days.
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09/02/2021 11:53:07 5 0
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I had the exact same issue. I was told to isolate even though I know for a fact I didn't need to and hadn't actually come into contact with the infected person, that and they had put their results in 5 days late which means I'd already have unknowingly spread it meantime.
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09/02/2021 11:49:45 15 1
bbc
I got an app alert and was told to self isolate for 5 days. The exposure date was a day I hadn't left home and it was obviously a Bluetooth ping from another flat in my block, could even have been from the decorators who were doing work on the communal areas.

I abided by it anyway, but it was HUGELY inconvenient and I knew the risk was near-zero. Plenty just wouldn't have bothered.
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09/02/2021 13:09:31 3 0
bbc
We had a similar experience in my workplace where at least three people who were working on the floor directly under the originator got told to self isolate by the app. If this is common, as it looks like it might be, then the numbers presented become even less impressive than they already were. Hardly seams worth all the effort and money that has been thrown at it.
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09/02/2021 11:24:32 33 13
bbc
Unfortunately I think many people played the 'ignorance is bliss' card and still go about their daily activities like everything is normal and they're not spreading it. I've come to realise that there are many more selfish and ignorant people in the UK who will always prioritise their own personal gain or benefit over that of everyone else
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09/02/2021 11:50:04 3 4
bbc
And they voted for Brexit and Boris.
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09/02/2021 11:33:32 1 6
bbc
For anyone living close to the England/Scotland border who crosses the border regularly as a key worker this app is totally useless. Why? Because as soon as it is downloaded it stops the corresponding Scottish app from working! Uninstalled it - how many others have done the same?
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09/02/2021 11:37:45 2 1
bbc
So why not have a single uk wide app?

Who do we think would not go for that ?
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BBB
09/02/2021 11:30:35 2 7
bbc
My daughter was told to isolate because the bluetooth picked up next doors covid positive test. They live in a semi and had no contact should she still use the app?????
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09/02/2021 11:38:17 0 1
bbc
Yes.
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09/02/2021 11:42:48 3 8
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That is true. But you can't ignore the fact that our government has spent huge amounts of our money on the T&T system. Other countries have spent a fraction of the money and have far more efficient systems. And yet so many of those lucrative contracts have gone to Tory donors.....somehow.
Or you can just put your head back in the sand.
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Bob
09/02/2021 11:50:58 5 3
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They've spent less because they are doing less. You've been shown up with your fake news maths now take the L.

If you didn't give anything to Tory donors you wouldn't give out anything to anyone. They are the party of business. Move along.
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09/02/2021 12:02:04 0 2
bbc
"If you didn't give anything to Tory donors you wouldn't give out anything to anyone. They are the party of business"....
OMG! What utter delusion! Why not have open tender on the contracts? Why have the "VIP lane"?
I'm guessing Bob you voted for this government but you're trying to absolve yourself of responsibility by pretending it's all OK.
I'm a businessman and the Tories are NOT helpful.