This stays with you a long time - Jones
06/02/2021
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Head coach Eddie Jones says England's first home loss to Scotland since 1983 will haunt his side.
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Too right Jones, your selections are poor, lose farrell, youngs, daly.
Glad it's not just me.
Spot on. The half backs are suppose to control the attack. All we ever get from 9 and 10 is kick. At fullback we have someone unable to tackle
It was all just a bit clueless today especially in attack. Went nowhere then kicked straight to Hogg who then hammered it back.
England have 2 of the best wingers in the world yet they barely saw the ball.
England have 2 of the best wingers in the world yet they barely saw the ball.
This had been coming for a while for anyone willing to acknowledge the signs. Looks like all those dull scraped wins in the autumn and "if we're winning why change?" attitude are going to come back and bite us hard on the a**e!
And Billy Vunipola looks way off the pace as a test no.8.
But well played Scotland you schooled us
And Billy Vunipola looks way off the pace as a test no.8.
But well played Scotland you schooled us
don't forget Billy V he is so out of form at present
George Ford too - not good enough, we need new blood at fly half and scrum half.
Easy to drop but tell us who you replace them with!
I will believe you when your "pets" are gone.
Simmonds and Spencer in now!
Simmonds and Spencer in now!
Have you watched Exeter and Bath recently?
Itoji cost you the game, bin him !
Great play from Scotland. Nail biting stuff and I'm not even Scottish!
Would be nice if Eddie Jones credited some Scottish determination and creativity though
Would be nice if Eddie Jones credited some Scottish determination and creativity though
Jones is a good talker - take the blame looks good - time for change
Pick players in Premership who are playing at their best - you have to change and adapt to win - sadly some need to move over for the next generation...
Pick players in Premership who are playing at their best - you have to change and adapt to win - sadly some need to move over for the next generation...
He's blown it too many times to continue. Search for a new coach now! Start at Exeter.
Not many taking the knee before the game????? I wonder what would have been said if that was football players??
Playing the Sarries boys is wrong. They haven’t played yet this season until today and it showed. Drop the championship players and open your eyes in the premiership, lots of talented players who are match fit.
Itoje is the exception but otherwise agree.
Agree Itoje played well that's about it Sarries players understandably off the pace
If he was to pick players in form for the last 3 months... Like Townsend...half the squad would be different... Odogwu, Smith, Randall, Cowan dickie, Simmonds, Malins, Thorley, Hughes, to name a few
Maitland showed up alright....
Oh come on, Puffing Billy had a strenuous run out against the mighty Ealing just the other week
Can’t blame the Sarries Maitland played well .Farrell at 10 is a liability,to many over the top,can’t remember BV last good game,back line was pedestrian Williams isn’t an international too many good players in the Premiership being ignored and a lot of them are looking at other options to England because it’s harder to be dropped than get in the side this is the guy who said he picks on form?
Come on - give the Scots some credit. The stats show they outplayed England in every facet of the game.
He has to pick them as they are crypto celebrities and are living on their publicity rather than their ability. Not to worry when england beat the might Italians they will be restored to being hailed world class by the sycophants. jones is a one trick pony and he's been found out
Scotland and France are moving up through the gears very nicely. Full steam ahead.
England are stuck in reverse gear, and appear to be reversing at a rate of knots. Dreadful performance.
Wales and Ireland. Who knows? Will find out tomorrow. Looking forward to it.
England are stuck in reverse gear, and appear to be reversing at a rate of knots. Dreadful performance.
Wales and Ireland. Who knows? Will find out tomorrow. Looking forward to it.
Little tip Eddie. Read your team the rules/laws of rugby and explain if they transgress they get penalised out of the game. Once they've got that into their heads you can start coaching them how to play the game. Luckily the ref didn't flash the yellow more often for the continual penalty count.
You're right, but I fear Jones wants them to play that way. Fortunate to get so tolerant a ref on this occasion.
to say the defeat was down to England failure/bad day at the office is an insult to an outstanding Scottish team, England were not just out played they were out thought with no plan b, c or d when plan a did not work
Plan A can only come into play when you have the ball.
As for B, C and D............
As for B, C and D............
Good to see Scotland play well. Shame they saved it for us... Hopefully they can repeat it next week.
England's only plan seemed to be kick it back to a Scottish player and then concede a penalty..
Well said about the Scots.
There has never been a plan B / C / D . . . . . . . . . . .
There has never been a plan B / C / D . . . . . . . . . . .
Come in mr Jones your time is up...
I don't follow club rugby too closely in England (as a Scot) but the fact there were players from Saracens spoke pretty loudly about Scotland's chances of nicking it today.
Scotland played not far from flawless but it could have went either way, fine margins at this level. Not a pro coach but I wouldn't be picking rusty players regardless of their reputation.
Scotland played not far from flawless but it could have went either way, fine margins at this level. Not a pro coach but I wouldn't be picking rusty players regardless of their reputation.
I do follow club rugby and you are spot on. Scots were v good today but Eng were awful. Unfortunately Jones’s player bias means it’s not a meritocracy
Thoroughly well played to Sco & congrats on the win. Tbh I think Sco were only at 70-80% and left a lot of opportunity for Eng. My disappointment is that as good and dominant as Sco were, they didn't utterly bully Eng or force the mistakes they made, it was more self-inflicted and from a lack of attacking ideas/creativity coupled with our age old gremlin of silly penalties.
Think Jones was watching a different game never in the races. If you continue to kick the ball to opponents who run it back when you have had little ball. We are devoid of ideas on the pitch and this performance is a continuation of how we performed against France
Well said. We looked clueless. And I agree, a continuation of the turgid performances in the Autumn.
I don't understand why we kick the ball away. If its the players playing what's in front of them, change the players. If its the coach telling them, change it. Exit strategy was early to kick everything.. Which we did badly and with no chase. Dreadful.
JONES SAYS HE WILL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY;
AND EXACTLY WHY WOULDN'T HE!
SHOCKING
AND EXACTLY WHY WOULDN'T HE!
SHOCKING
If you pick a team with 5 players who haven't played any competitive rugby for over two months, you get what you deserve. Your team selection was abysmal as was Englands performance. We have great young players available, but you persist with the old guard and a style of play that is boring and predictable at best. It's time to bring in new blood and build for the future. Inept and embarrassing.
The team has carried Youngs and Billy for two years now. They occasionally put in a good performance but otherwise undroppable. It creates an old boys culture of mediocrity
And great players like Faz and Watson (although he didn’t get a sniff tonight) are so off form it’s embarrassing.
And start at the top with Eddie. Move down one level and the skills coach he's recruited is a 28 year old he got from Jersey RFC.....what????
I cannot agree more with richjbarlow. I think English rugby has suffered enormously because of Jones' pugnacious attitude which has abandoned exciting innovative rugby for the slow grind of continuous 'up and unders', rucks and mauls. He's always found some reason or other why natural talent has to be replaced with Aussie 'grit'.
Your fault so quit England have been playing awful rugby since he took charge his obsession with power over subtlety , his blind faith in Farrell -why why why and most importantly his obvious instruction to the team dont concede points give away penalties and total disregard for the laws has ruined the national side , one excellent day v NZ isnt worth it get rid now
Watching England after France was the ridiculous after the sublime! Dupont must be the best player in the world at the moment but a question - would Jones pick him if he was English? or Ntmack? Dulin? What, when you could play Youngs, Farrell & Daly? Yes, you are responsible, Jones, due to your poor selection as well as preparation. Swallow your ego, accept error & make some good decisions.
Too right Jones, your selections are poor, lose farrell, youngs, daly.
Yo're dropped as well.
You were just outplayed by a team who brought massive intensity. You couldn’t get in the game.
Sarries lads bar Mako looked shattered.
Youngs and Robson kicking was woeful.
Just playing catch up back foot rugby all day. Only 1 team in it 0-80 mins.
Sarries lads bar Mako looked shattered.
Youngs and Robson kicking was woeful.
Just playing catch up back foot rugby all day. Only 1 team in it 0-80 mins.
don't forget the penalty count ?? do England players not know the rules of the game?
Maitland didn't look shattered.
Gollum needs to go, arrogant clown!
Removed
As a Welsh fella looking on as a rugby fan, it seems to me that EJ keeps faith with players who cannot adjust. OF is overrated at 10 and is not a 12. Ford is a proper 10. Youngs is not a great Scrum Half and Randall should be blooded. EJ should experiment with this against the 6N practice team that is Italy.
Farrell would not get into a decent French side. He is a place kicker ... that’s it really
He is not that great a place kicker - remember the Autumns cup v France. Kept taking them and missing and refused to hand over to somebody else. Not a captain. Also can’t tackle
Poor Eddie is losing it. Coaches motivate players and if he is.blaming himself the RFU should sack him for not doing his job. Simples really.
It’s ur job so do the stuff we don’t want to!!
Daly
Billy
Faz
Youngs
Etc
Thanks guys you’ve been legends and had a good crack...
But time to move on/evolve/advance/develop...
Just saying :)
Daly
Billy
Faz
Youngs
Etc
Thanks guys you’ve been legends and had a good crack...
But time to move on/evolve/advance/develop...
Just saying :)
Dont forget happy Owen! toss-pot
Playing Youngs at scrum half hardly instills confidence in other (younger) scrum halfs available in building towards 2023. Likewise Vunipola and Farrell; men well past their sell by date.
Best match Hogg has had in a long while and George Turner at hooker played a blinder
Best match Hogg has had in a long while and George Turner at hooker played a blinder
So just to get this right...
You want to get rid of half of the team who aren’t even 30 yet after one poor game? Sums up the generic England supporter who knows barely anything about the game and just shouts at the TV every time the ball is kicked.
You want to get rid of half of the team who aren’t even 30 yet after one poor game? Sums up the generic England supporter who knows barely anything about the game and just shouts at the TV every time the ball is kicked.
Itoji ... should have yellow card in the first 20 mins and a red after half time ....big guy but no finesse !
cost Engerland big time
cost Engerland big time
Maybe with no one in the crowd he has finally been pinged by referees and are not influenced by the Sweet Chariot supporters. Been at it for years and those who have been peddling him as a Lions captain are oblivious to his consistent failings.
This debacle has been brewing for a while...from selection to tactics Jones has got everything wrong. Anyone who watches the Prem knows that he backs guys who are off form or inconsistent at test level.
If this doesn’t cause Jones to go back to the drawing board nothing will. He can start by picking guys who are in form like LCD.
Separately well done Scotland - an excellent game.
If this doesn’t cause Jones to go back to the drawing board nothing will. He can start by picking guys who are in form like LCD.
Separately well done Scotland - an excellent game.
South Africa are indeed, England's Bogey Team!
After 4 decades, Scotland have figured out that to beat England, they must first become South African.
Very clever! Well done Scotland.
PS - Is Eddie Jones the Jose Mourinho if world rugby?
After 4 decades, Scotland have figured out that to beat England, they must first become South African.
Very clever! Well done Scotland.
PS - Is Eddie Jones the Jose Mourinho if world rugby?
If you pick a team with 5 players who haven't played any competitive rugby for over two months, you get what you deserve. Your team selection was abysmal as was Englands performance. We have great young players available, but you persist with the old guard and a style of play that is boring and predictable at best. It's time to bring in new blood and build for the future. Inept and embarrassing.
It’s ur job so do the stuff we don’t want to!!
Daly
Billy
Faz
Youngs
Etc
Thanks guys you’ve been legends and had a good crack...
But time to move on/evolve/advance/develop...
Just saying :)
Daly
Billy
Faz
Youngs
Etc
Thanks guys you’ve been legends and had a good crack...
But time to move on/evolve/advance/develop...
Just saying :)
That’s Faz I believe.
Think Jones was watching a different game never in the races. If you continue to kick the ball to opponents who run it back when you have had little ball. We are devoid of ideas on the pitch and this performance is a continuation of how we performed against France
I hope this game isn't remembered for England being bad- Scotland were as good as England were bad and deserved to win 25-6 at least- a losing bonus point is a joke!
Scotland great England awful
I disagree. I realise people want to wail hysterically about how all the players were awful but England's defence was strong today & kept the score down, which is why they have the bonus point. And one of the kicks - the pen given against Ellis Genge that was perfectly legal - shouldn't have been given.
They didn’t and that probably sums up why Scotland are a mediocre team . A good side with that much possession would have put a undercooked / not firing team to the sword . Might be another 30+ years before England are that bad again .
If you pick a team with 5 players who haven't played any competitive rugby for over two months, you get what you deserve. Your team selection was abysmal as was Englands performance. We have great young players available, but you persist with the old guard and a style of play that is boring and predictable at best. It's time to bring in new blood and build for the future. Inept and embarrassing.
Farrell is not a great player
I don't follow club rugby too closely in England (as a Scot) but the fact there were players from Saracens spoke pretty loudly about Scotland's chances of nicking it today.
Scotland played not far from flawless but it could have went either way, fine margins at this level. Not a pro coach but I wouldn't be picking rusty players regardless of their reputation.
Scotland played not far from flawless but it could have went either way, fine margins at this level. Not a pro coach but I wouldn't be picking rusty players regardless of their reputation.
Still talking to yourself, very disturbing.
Maybe time Eddie realised his pre match shit talk doesn't cut it any more. The game is won or lost on the pitch. Englands years of cynical grubbiness has been found wanting today, I hope it's the start of a total collapse. It's no less than he and they deserve.
Itoji ... should have yellow card in the first 20 mins and a red after half time ....big guy but no finesse !
cost Engerland big time
cost Engerland big time
Just go - you are arrogant and stubborn and this is the just the latest in a long decline since the ABs game in the 2019 RWC. We are losing an opportunity with this coach and his selections.
Be interesting to see if Jones makes necessary changes. Scotland were excellent and deserved win but Eng were woeful. Itoje and Curry apart most were average at best and some - Youngs, Farrell, Daley were awful. Can't though see wholesale changes.
Farrell is a manufactured player. Cant tackle properly, tactical kicking awful, no attacking spark hence Ford having to play. He would never play for France or NZ ... I don’t get the hype
England seem to have a problem preparing, rwc final, autumn cup final, Scotland. Why do they seem to act like it’s already won before kick off?
Just watched Jones interview and fair play he took it on the chin and fronted up. No excuses, Scotland were better and out played ENG all areas.
Everyone criticizes him but he doesn't deflect blame or responsibility.
Everyone criticizes him but he doesn't deflect blame or responsibility.
Rubbish Steve, selection is a joke and Eddie should of blooded new players after RWC...
...you can’t seriously tell me Ben Youngs is the best 9, LCD is clearly your best hooker, Genge is not a test prop, the best he’s ever done is coming off the bench once the graft has been done
...you can’t seriously tell me Ben Youngs is the best 9, LCD is clearly your best hooker, Genge is not a test prop, the best he’s ever done is coming off the bench once the graft has been done
Sack him as manager then and make it press spokesperson.
England should break the bank and get Pat Lamb and Shaun Edwards ASAP
Absolutely hit the nail on the head ... but I would like to see Pat back at his Falcons family home ... selfish I know
The Edwards boat sailed a long time ago, besides our defence was in general very good today.
Eddie Jones talks a big game and lives off Japan besting a weak South African team. That was a shambles and England have gone backwards and backwards. 60 mins to get the ball into the hands of the outside centre.
Eddie, Scotland did have 75% of possession because we kept kicking the ball the to them to run back. Even in attack in their half we kicked. So much talent out wide please look to use them.
As a Welsh fella looking on as a rugby fan, it seems to me that EJ keeps faith with players who cannot adjust. OF is overrated at 10 and is not a 12. Ford is a proper 10. Youngs is not a great Scrum Half and Randall should be blooded. EJ should experiment with this against the 6N practice team that is Italy.
Farrell at times is just a token name/brand without the rugby skills to back it up. I'd be happy with him on the bench these days as a sub, he is past his best.
I'm English. but live in France.France have better 10s (Three at the last count)and better 12s, non merci Farrell. England would do well to get their hands on Edwards, their's a passionate Englishman with an amazing record in both club and International Rugby. Wales agree and for sure France do. The French players love working with him. Not England top brass perhaps, too straight talking.
I do follow club rugby and you are spot on. Scots were v good today but Eng were awful. Unfortunately Jones’s player bias means it’s not a meritocracy
Philo
Spot on comment ??????
Spot on comment ??????
England looked asleep from the Anthem onwards.
To be fair, I always follow asleep in the anthem. Pretty boring anthem. Slightly more rousing than the Japanese anthem maybe, but one of the worst.
Utterly embarrassing. The sooner England get rid of Jones and offer Rob Baxter a king's ransom to take over, the better.
Baxter !!! Please no,no,no, no .
I thought it really showed that the Saracens boys had not played any meaningful rugby as they were well off the pace. They were slow and off the pace.
I’m 35. I’ve watched Scotland get flustered for years. Never have I seen them have so many problems yet solve them all. Itoje was all over price - but they sorted it out. Turner couldn’t throw into a line out - yet he did. Russell yellow card and yet no points conceded. Superb - and all the England fans - the excuses are?????????????
England have flattered to deceive for a while now.Stuttered to a Late Nations league win over a depleted france team and a lot of us have been saying for ages there is far too much hand to boot rugby being played.Lethal to kick the ball back to the Scots with the likes of Hogg waiting for the ball to come back almost immediately at every play.Such a waste of all the talented pace in the backs.
England are and have always been, purveyors of Yawn Rugby.
The English game is, sadly, what has evolved rugby union from the exciting, free flowing, running and passing game of its first 100 years, into this dull, big hitting, armour-wearing hybrid of NFL and Rugby League, that it is today.
Title will be between France and South Africa, whoops, I meant Scotland this year.
Here's to running rugby!
The English game is, sadly, what has evolved rugby union from the exciting, free flowing, running and passing game of its first 100 years, into this dull, big hitting, armour-wearing hybrid of NFL and Rugby League, that it is today.
Title will be between France and South Africa, whoops, I meant Scotland this year.
Here's to running rugby!
I’m 35. I’ve watched Scotland get flustered for years. Never have I seen them have so many problems yet solve them all. Itoje was all over price - but they sorted it out. Turner couldn’t throw into a line out - yet he did. Russell yellow card and yet no points conceded. Superb - and all the England fans - the excuses are?????????????
I’m 35. I’ve watched Scotland get flustered for years. Never have I seen them have so many problems yet solve them all. Itoje was all over price - but they sorted it out. Turner couldn’t throw into a line out - yet he did. Russell yellow card and yet no points conceded. Superb - and all the England fans - the excuses are?????????????
How is an England player lacking in enthusiasm? Maybe because half are imports ? “When did you first dream of playing for England Manu?” “When I realised they paid more”
Not up for it from the first minute . England looked lethargic and rusty - particularly the Saracens boys who have played bugger all rugby . Several sarries world class but they were completely off the pace today . Well done jocks but may have to wait another 30 plus years before it happens again . !!!!!
I guess that’s what happens when you get relegated for cheating
World class !
I hate that stupid expression
Not that long ago Nick Iseweike and Nathan Earle were ‘world class’ as well, where are they now
Sarries era is over so move on with fresh players
I hate that stupid expression
Not that long ago Nick Iseweike and Nathan Earle were ‘world class’ as well, where are they now
Sarries era is over so move on with fresh players
No excuses just a bad day and well beaten by a more enthusiastic side. Well played Scotland.
Manu was not playing! I take your point though most ountries seem to do it
Or maybe: “As I was growing up, playing school and youth rugby in England.”
I think Manu Tuilagi has been in England longer than the Scotland try scorer has been in Scotland. But your petty comment aside the key point here is Scotland played a clever if wasteful game and deserved to win by far more than they did. Well done Scotland - kudos.
Eddie, Scotland did have 75% of possession because we kept kicking the ball the to them to run back. Even in attack in their half we kicked. So much talent out wide please look to use them.
Utterly embarrassing. The sooner England get rid of Jones and offer Rob Baxter a king's ransom to take over, the better.
Not up for it from the first minute . England looked lethargic and rusty - particularly the Saracens boys who have played bugger all rugby . Several sarries world class but they were completely off the pace today . Well done jocks but may have to wait another 30 plus years before it happens again . !!!!!
to say the defeat was down to England failure/bad day at the office is an insult to an outstanding Scottish team, England were not just out played they were out thought with no plan b, c or d when plan a did not work
Watching England after France was the ridiculous after the sublime! Dupont must be the best player in the world at the moment but a question - would Jones pick him if he was English? or Ntmack? Dulin? What, when you could play Youngs, Farrell & Daly? Yes, you are responsible, Jones, due to your poor selection as well as preparation. Swallow your ego, accept error & make some good decisions.
Why doesn’t Eddie cut the umbilical cord with Sarries ?
It’s obvious only Maro turned up from that lot....
It’s obvious only Maro turned up from that lot....
Absolubtely. If you pick players that have not been playing this is what happens. A third of the starters hadn't played top flight rugby for 5 months. Time to freshen up the squad with match fit players.
And he gave away a third of the penalties on his own- Lions captain? not a chance, he shouldn't have stayed on the field!
too scared to do that, much like Ericsson with the celebrity footballers he kept picking
And great players like Faz and Watson (although he didn’t get a sniff tonight) are so off form it’s embarrassing.
Not up for it from the first minute . England looked lethargic and rusty - particularly the Saracens boys who have played bugger all rugby . Several sarries world class but they were completely off the pace today . Well done jocks but may have to wait another 30 plus years before it happens again . !!!!!
Good to see "scummy" Jones beaten