Bad game? Use existing laws - Owens
06/02/2021 | sport | rugbyunion | 101
Nigel Owens believes criticism of rugby as a spectacle can be solved by referees applying existing laws.
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06/02/2021 08:36:03 8 18
bbc
Despite playing rugby in school and for a valleys club I’m on the verge of giving up watching the game altogether. Football provides more entertainment and skill than watching huge men engage in a trial of physical strength. Don’t get me wrong international rugby can be a fun day out but it’s about meeting friends, beer, the anthems and occasion rather than the often tedious eighty minutes.
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06/02/2021 09:15:11 8 1
bbc
Therein lies the problem.
International RU is an event. Must be there.
It is not about the game and so many attendees have no clue what is happening g on the pitch.
Meanwhile club rugby is wat he'd by one man and his dog.
And the dog knows the game.
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06/02/2021 09:49:52 2 1
bbc
"Football provides more entertainment and skill..." - Clearly you're not a long-suffering QPR fan like me!
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06/02/2021 08:45:42 23 3
bbc
Once a scrummage requires resetting the clock should be stopped until such time as the ball emerges from a well set up scrum.
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06/02/2021 08:49:34 23 1
bbc
Oh and teach referees to count to 5 after calling use it
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06/02/2021 08:45:42 23 3
bbc
Once a scrummage requires resetting the clock should be stopped until such time as the ball emerges from a well set up scrum.
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06/02/2021 08:49:34 23 1
bbc
Oh and teach referees to count to 5 after calling use it
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06/02/2021 12:14:21 0 2
bbc
It really gets me - in what other similar sport can a player stand there unchallenged for five seconds while he decides what to do?
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06/02/2021 08:58:16 19 2
bbc
We will miss Nigel Owens.
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06/02/2021 08:58:43 14 2
bbc
Going to miss Nigel.
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06/02/2021 09:09:25 8 6
bbc
Interesting views on how to improve the game but can't help but think that rugby needs to reduce the size of the average player. Not just for the spectacle but also help reduce concussions
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06/02/2021 09:47:21 1 1
bbc
How do you "reduce the size of the player"?
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06/02/2021 11:02:15 0 4
bbc
There is a practical solution, one I have been mooting for a few years - Introduce a weight limit for each position. Obviously props would have a higher limit than, say, the scrum half... But it would make the game less about collisons ("smashing") and more about space and creativity.
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06/02/2021 08:36:03 8 18
bbc
Despite playing rugby in school and for a valleys club I’m on the verge of giving up watching the game altogether. Football provides more entertainment and skill than watching huge men engage in a trial of physical strength. Don’t get me wrong international rugby can be a fun day out but it’s about meeting friends, beer, the anthems and occasion rather than the often tedious eighty minutes.
7
06/02/2021 09:15:11 8 1
bbc
Therein lies the problem.
International RU is an event. Must be there.
It is not about the game and so many attendees have no clue what is happening g on the pitch.
Meanwhile club rugby is wat he'd by one man and his dog.
And the dog knows the game.
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06/02/2021 09:32:21 2 27
bbc
Rugby. The last bastion of sport with an inbuilt class system. Teams are even designated as "tier 1" or "tier 3" nations. This helps the ref to decide which side they should be biased towards. A game hamstrung by its baffling multitude of rules, anyone of which the ref can interpret to halt a lower ranked team's attack or give a last minute pen to the higher ranked team if needed.
Ridiculous sport
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06/02/2021 09:45:24 12 1
bbc
Don’t watch it then
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06/02/2021 09:47:01 9 1
bbc
A ridiculous comment from someone who obviously can’t understand rules or even competitive sport. Referees are impartial but they are human and can be influenced and sometimes do make the wrong decisions. Stick to snooker that’s got simple rules for you
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06/02/2021 09:48:14 6 1
bbc
Thankfully it’s a free country and you don’t have to watch it.
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06/02/2021 09:49:31 6 1
bbc
And soccer is just as bad, then cricket and when it come to golf ....
All sports have baffling rules and regulations to those who don't play the game.
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06/02/2021 11:03:09 4 1
bbc
Soccer law book is 117 pages long. Yes, fewer than rugby, but still a hefty tome. Oh, and rugby has laws not rules.
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06/02/2021 09:41:10 13 2
bbc
Won’t be the same without Nigel.
A legend ??
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06/02/2021 09:41:11 8 2
bbc
Good stuff from Owens, someone who really knows what he is talking about. Yes, referee the offside line mercilessly. I would also like to see the driving maul sorted (although I will admit that I do not have a solution other than the ball having to be with the player at the front so it may be ripped or the player carrying it targeted).
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06/02/2021 09:45:14 2 23
bbc
Gimme football over rugby any day. Transparent rules, which every one can understand, see, and judge for themselves.
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06/02/2021 09:47:00 13 2
bbc
Yes, and VAR works sooooo well.
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06/02/2021 10:05:42 8 1
bbc
Simple rules for simple people who even though they dislike a sport will still become keyboard warriors on the website of the sport they dislike
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06/02/2021 09:32:21 2 27
bbc
Rugby. The last bastion of sport with an inbuilt class system. Teams are even designated as "tier 1" or "tier 3" nations. This helps the ref to decide which side they should be biased towards. A game hamstrung by its baffling multitude of rules, anyone of which the ref can interpret to halt a lower ranked team's attack or give a last minute pen to the higher ranked team if needed.
Ridiculous sport
12
06/02/2021 09:45:24 12 1
bbc
Don’t watch it then
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06/02/2021 10:40:35 3 1
bbc
Agreed, football is a circus masquerading as a sport..
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06/02/2021 09:45:14 2 23
bbc
Gimme football over rugby any day. Transparent rules, which every one can understand, see, and judge for themselves.
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06/02/2021 09:47:00 13 2
bbc
Yes, and VAR works sooooo well.
8
06/02/2021 09:32:21 2 27
bbc
Rugby. The last bastion of sport with an inbuilt class system. Teams are even designated as "tier 1" or "tier 3" nations. This helps the ref to decide which side they should be biased towards. A game hamstrung by its baffling multitude of rules, anyone of which the ref can interpret to halt a lower ranked team's attack or give a last minute pen to the higher ranked team if needed.
Ridiculous sport
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06/02/2021 09:47:01 9 1
bbc
A ridiculous comment from someone who obviously can’t understand rules or even competitive sport. Referees are impartial but they are human and can be influenced and sometimes do make the wrong decisions. Stick to snooker that’s got simple rules for you
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06/02/2021 09:09:25 8 6
bbc
Interesting views on how to improve the game but can't help but think that rugby needs to reduce the size of the average player. Not just for the spectacle but also help reduce concussions
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06/02/2021 09:47:21 1 1
bbc
How do you "reduce the size of the player"?
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06/02/2021 10:01:29 4 1
bbc
Apply the laws, speed the game up, body sizes will adjust quickly. Just like they got bigger as the game got slower in recent years.
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06/02/2021 10:52:24 4 1
bbc
Perhaps limit substitutions to primarily be there for injury replacements and maybe a couple allowed to gain experience. They would have to drop some weight as many of these guys cannot handle a full 80 minutes.
8
06/02/2021 09:32:21 2 27
bbc
Rugby. The last bastion of sport with an inbuilt class system. Teams are even designated as "tier 1" or "tier 3" nations. This helps the ref to decide which side they should be biased towards. A game hamstrung by its baffling multitude of rules, anyone of which the ref can interpret to halt a lower ranked team's attack or give a last minute pen to the higher ranked team if needed.
Ridiculous sport
16
06/02/2021 09:48:14 6 1
bbc
Thankfully it’s a free country and you don’t have to watch it.
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06/02/2021 09:32:21 2 27
bbc
Rugby. The last bastion of sport with an inbuilt class system. Teams are even designated as "tier 1" or "tier 3" nations. This helps the ref to decide which side they should be biased towards. A game hamstrung by its baffling multitude of rules, anyone of which the ref can interpret to halt a lower ranked team's attack or give a last minute pen to the higher ranked team if needed.
Ridiculous sport
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06/02/2021 09:49:31 6 1
bbc
And soccer is just as bad, then cricket and when it come to golf ....
All sports have baffling rules and regulations to those who don't play the game.
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06/02/2021 08:36:03 8 18
bbc
Despite playing rugby in school and for a valleys club I’m on the verge of giving up watching the game altogether. Football provides more entertainment and skill than watching huge men engage in a trial of physical strength. Don’t get me wrong international rugby can be a fun day out but it’s about meeting friends, beer, the anthems and occasion rather than the often tedious eighty minutes.
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06/02/2021 09:49:52 2 1
bbc
"Football provides more entertainment and skill..." - Clearly you're not a long-suffering QPR fan like me!
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06/02/2021 09:50:44 14 2
bbc
Thanks Nigel, you’ve made a difference on and more importantly off the field.
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06/02/2021 09:56:10 4 1
bbc
The scrum half’s should be ready to put the ball in as soon as the scrums set. Often a well set scrum collapses because the sh delays the put in because their trying to do the referee’s job. Time off until the scrum’s set and hurry up team with throw in at line out.
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06/02/2021 09:47:21 1 1
bbc
How do you "reduce the size of the player"?
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06/02/2021 10:01:29 4 1
bbc
Apply the laws, speed the game up, body sizes will adjust quickly. Just like they got bigger as the game got slower in recent years.
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06/02/2021 09:45:14 2 23
bbc
Gimme football over rugby any day. Transparent rules, which every one can understand, see, and judge for themselves.
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06/02/2021 10:05:42 8 1
bbc
Simple rules for simple people who even though they dislike a sport will still become keyboard warriors on the website of the sport they dislike
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06/02/2021 10:07:44 8 2
bbc
Ref's don't always apply the laws!!!!!!??? Never. I wonder how many of these will be ignored this weekend?
12: Kick offs: 5. When the ball is kicked: a Team-mates of the kicker must be behind the ball
18: Line Out: 22. The player throwing in the ball stands on the mark of touch with both feet outside the field of play. The thrower must not step into the field of play until the ball has been thrown
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06/02/2021 11:13:45 6 1
bbc
Law 18 has been ignored for years. In a Pro14 game the other week, the player had both feet in play when he threw. The Laws used to state that if the linesman(assist ref now - ha ha) spotted anything like that then he was to stay with his flag up to tell the ref the lineout was not legal. I doubt if that law has disappeared out of the Laws either.
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06/02/2021 10:07:59 8 2
bbc
Or these
Law 19: Scrums: 15. When both sides are square, stable and stationary, the scrum-half throws in the ball: f. Straight.
Law 20: Penalties 2. A penalty or free-kick is taken from where it is awarded or anywhere behind it on a line through the mark and parallel to the touchlines.
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06/02/2021 10:11:58 18 2
bbc
Get Brian Moore to coach referees on the put in to the scrum. These days the ball often goes straight into the second row, so hookers don't hook. There's supposed to be proper competition for the ball between front rows, with a small advantage to the side putting in, hence the name "hooker", with the props propping up him or her.
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06/02/2021 12:07:23 2 3
bbc
Change the law to force the opposing scrum half to put the ball in on your scrum. He's not going to feed your side so it's more likely to go in straight and hookers would have to actually hook. The referee can still penalise any crooked feed to their side. You would still have the advantage of your hooker being closer to the feed, so you should still win most scrums with good hooking technique.
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06/02/2021 10:12:06 7 1
bbc
The Irish scrum illegal? Surely not. Must look up how many Irish games Nigel reffed and Ireland won.
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06/02/2021 13:05:37 1 3
bbc
He’s not called O’Wens for nothing.
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06/02/2021 10:14:42 14 2
bbc
The game of Rugby should be proud of Nigel.
Scrums - stop the clock when a scrum is awarded. Start the clock when the ball emerges or the ref gives a decision. This would increase playing time.
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06/02/2021 10:38:16 7 2
bbc
So Sammy Valentino says'gimmee football over rugby any day,....the rules are transparent',.............not sure about diving and falling over, and all those 'injuries',... whether to call an ambulance or equity?
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06/02/2021 10:39:39 5 1
bbc
Interesting what Owns says about the offside line. As I understand it when reffing a ruck the last foot is the offside line and the ref should stand on that line meaning that the players need to be BEHIND not inline with the ref??
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06/02/2021 09:45:24 12 1
bbc
Don’t watch it then
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06/02/2021 10:40:35 3 1
bbc
Agreed, football is a circus masquerading as a sport..
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06/02/2021 10:41:20 12 1
bbc
I'll miss him. "If you lot do not know how to scrum, then you can go off and I'll get others on who can". Priceless! He started a good trend there.
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06/02/2021 10:48:15 3 1
bbc
It's time to stop time wasting when there is a yellow card and taking the ball away when there is a penalty. Also stop the commentators constantly talking rubbish, do they have to name each player as he or she gets the ball, it's TV, we can see!
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06/02/2021 11:51:31 1 1
bbc
Don’t know, but they might also be commentating on radio at the same time,.
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06/02/2021 13:04:21 0 2
bbc
Let’s just call him Eddie Butler!
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06/02/2021 09:47:21 1 1
bbc
How do you "reduce the size of the player"?
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06/02/2021 10:52:24 4 1
bbc
Perhaps limit substitutions to primarily be there for injury replacements and maybe a couple allowed to gain experience. They would have to drop some weight as many of these guys cannot handle a full 80 minutes.
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06/02/2021 11:40:21 1 1
bbc
Used to be my solution as well but guys like Itoje, Hill, Ryan and many others are huge and would have no trouble going 80 in a fast game.
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06/02/2021 09:09:25 8 6
bbc
Interesting views on how to improve the game but can't help but think that rugby needs to reduce the size of the average player. Not just for the spectacle but also help reduce concussions
34
06/02/2021 11:02:15 0 4
bbc
There is a practical solution, one I have been mooting for a few years - Introduce a weight limit for each position. Obviously props would have a higher limit than, say, the scrum half... But it would make the game less about collisons ("smashing") and more about space and creativity.
8
06/02/2021 09:32:21 2 27
bbc
Rugby. The last bastion of sport with an inbuilt class system. Teams are even designated as "tier 1" or "tier 3" nations. This helps the ref to decide which side they should be biased towards. A game hamstrung by its baffling multitude of rules, anyone of which the ref can interpret to halt a lower ranked team's attack or give a last minute pen to the higher ranked team if needed.
Ridiculous sport
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06/02/2021 11:03:09 4 1
bbc
Soccer law book is 117 pages long. Yes, fewer than rugby, but still a hefty tome. Oh, and rugby has laws not rules.
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06/02/2021 11:07:24 6 1
bbc
it's the rapport he had with the players that built up the respect - will miss him officiating at the highest level and I'm not Welsh! Actually would have been happy with him refereeing Wales v. England. Up and coming I am getting more and more impressed with Luke Pierce - the heir apparent?
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06/02/2021 12:31:29 0 2
bbc
Disagree with you about LP but he is nowhere near as bad as Carley. The latter's performance in Clermont/Munster recently would have made even Craig Joubert wince.
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06/02/2021 19:09:23 0 1
bbc
Yes and he was born in Pontypool
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Ken
06/02/2021 11:09:15 1 2
bbc
Driving maul is a potent weapon and if used challenging to stop legally. So often is close to truck and trailer or off side.

Should there be a limit to amount of ground gained by maul? Not sure. Thoughts?
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06/02/2021 11:17:02 2 3
bbc
Or a limit on the number of players that can take part in a maul ?
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06/02/2021 10:07:44 8 2
bbc
Ref's don't always apply the laws!!!!!!??? Never. I wonder how many of these will be ignored this weekend?
12: Kick offs: 5. When the ball is kicked: a Team-mates of the kicker must be behind the ball
18: Line Out: 22. The player throwing in the ball stands on the mark of touch with both feet outside the field of play. The thrower must not step into the field of play until the ball has been thrown
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06/02/2021 11:13:45 6 1
bbc
Law 18 has been ignored for years. In a Pro14 game the other week, the player had both feet in play when he threw. The Laws used to state that if the linesman(assist ref now - ha ha) spotted anything like that then he was to stay with his flag up to tell the ref the lineout was not legal. I doubt if that law has disappeared out of the Laws either.
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Ken
06/02/2021 11:09:15 1 2
bbc
Driving maul is a potent weapon and if used challenging to stop legally. So often is close to truck and trailer or off side.

Should there be a limit to amount of ground gained by maul? Not sure. Thoughts?
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06/02/2021 11:17:02 2 3
bbc
Or a limit on the number of players that can take part in a maul ?
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MRF
06/02/2021 11:38:23 8 1
bbc
2 obvious rule changes in my bevies - 1) Eliminate the dreadful caterpillar ruck by penalising inactive players extending the ruck and 2) Stop the clock between the time the referee signals/calls a scrum and when he calls ‘Bind’ to reduce tedious/tactile time wasting.
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MRF
06/02/2021 11:56:47 0 1
bbc
Apologies for typos....for bevies read view and for tactile read tactical
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06/02/2021 13:39:30 0 1
bbc
Rucks-reduce time available from 5-3 secs for scrum half to mess about getting the ball away. Ref to countdown on saying ball available-get turned over for being too slow-TSB. Clamp down on all time wasting-eg team walking slowly towards lineout? Turnover and lineout or scrum at position from where ball kicked from...even if it was originally a penalty-2 wrongs don’t make a right.
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06/02/2021 10:52:24 4 1
bbc
Perhaps limit substitutions to primarily be there for injury replacements and maybe a couple allowed to gain experience. They would have to drop some weight as many of these guys cannot handle a full 80 minutes.
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06/02/2021 11:40:21 1 1
bbc
Used to be my solution as well but guys like Itoje, Hill, Ryan and many others are huge and would have no trouble going 80 in a fast game.
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06/02/2021 10:48:15 3 1
bbc
It's time to stop time wasting when there is a yellow card and taking the ball away when there is a penalty. Also stop the commentators constantly talking rubbish, do they have to name each player as he or she gets the ball, it's TV, we can see!
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06/02/2021 11:51:31 1 1
bbc
Don’t know, but they might also be commentating on radio at the same time,.
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06/02/2021 11:53:05 5 1
bbc
Mostly actually apply existing laws.

Like hookers being in the middle of the lineout, not blocking kick chasers, offside line, is so easy to ref, but is missed 95% of the time. Hands on the floor in rucks, sealing off at the ruck, obstruction in the maul.

All exist but aren't policed half the time.
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MRF
06/02/2021 11:38:23 8 1
bbc
2 obvious rule changes in my bevies - 1) Eliminate the dreadful caterpillar ruck by penalising inactive players extending the ruck and 2) Stop the clock between the time the referee signals/calls a scrum and when he calls ‘Bind’ to reduce tedious/tactile time wasting.
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MRF
06/02/2021 11:56:47 0 1
bbc
Apologies for typos....for bevies read view and for tactile read tactical
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06/02/2021 15:51:37 0 1
bbc
Too many views before the match?
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06/02/2021 10:11:58 18 2
bbc
Get Brian Moore to coach referees on the put in to the scrum. These days the ball often goes straight into the second row, so hookers don't hook. There's supposed to be proper competition for the ball between front rows, with a small advantage to the side putting in, hence the name "hooker", with the props propping up him or her.
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06/02/2021 12:07:23 2 3
bbc
Change the law to force the opposing scrum half to put the ball in on your scrum. He's not going to feed your side so it's more likely to go in straight and hookers would have to actually hook. The referee can still penalise any crooked feed to their side. You would still have the advantage of your hooker being closer to the feed, so you should still win most scrums with good hooking technique.
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06/02/2021 12:35:59 0 1
bbc
This is most interesting. But of course if the opposing scrum half were to put the ball into YOUR second row he should also be penalised for a crooked feed or for a dummy feed in an attempt to draw a kick for foot up. My worry is your suggestion might lead to mass brawls.
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06/02/2021 08:49:34 23 1
bbc
Oh and teach referees to count to 5 after calling use it
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06/02/2021 12:14:21 0 2
bbc
It really gets me - in what other similar sport can a player stand there unchallenged for five seconds while he decides what to do?
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06/02/2021 12:18:54 1 1
bbc
Re constant scrum resets - I'm a simple man so I think either something illegal has happened in which it's a penalty or it's legal and play on.
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06/02/2021 13:58:01 4 1
bbc
Agree. Same with delaying the scrum or line out, its a free kick.

Taking 10 seconds to bind up or have a mothers meeting before a line out,bi just penalise them.

It soon stops.
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06/02/2021 11:07:24 6 1
bbc
it's the rapport he had with the players that built up the respect - will miss him officiating at the highest level and I'm not Welsh! Actually would have been happy with him refereeing Wales v. England. Up and coming I am getting more and more impressed with Luke Pierce - the heir apparent?
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06/02/2021 12:31:29 0 2
bbc
Disagree with you about LP but he is nowhere near as bad as Carley. The latter's performance in Clermont/Munster recently would have made even Craig Joubert wince.
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06/02/2021 12:07:23 2 3
bbc
Change the law to force the opposing scrum half to put the ball in on your scrum. He's not going to feed your side so it's more likely to go in straight and hookers would have to actually hook. The referee can still penalise any crooked feed to their side. You would still have the advantage of your hooker being closer to the feed, so you should still win most scrums with good hooking technique.
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06/02/2021 12:35:59 0 1
bbc
This is most interesting. But of course if the opposing scrum half were to put the ball into YOUR second row he should also be penalised for a crooked feed or for a dummy feed in an attempt to draw a kick for foot up. My worry is your suggestion might lead to mass brawls.
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06/02/2021 13:01:37 15 2
bbc
Enforce basic rules:
1) A pass is forward when it is caught in front of where it is thrown
2) A scrum put in is not straight if it doesn't land in the middle of the tunnel
3) A line out is not straight if it doesn't go down the middle of the two lines
4) You are offside if you are not behind the offside line

We don't need new rules, just enforce the ones that have always been there.
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06/02/2021 13:13:08 1 1
bbc
2. The ball doesn't have to go down the middle of a scrum but it does have to be straight. Any part of the ball, ie the very end, can go down the centre line.
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06/02/2021 13:53:21 0 1
bbc
I've heard the suggestion that refs won't penalise lineout not straights if the defending side doesn't contest the lineout. But why should they contest if most of the time the throws aren't straight?
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06/02/2021 14:18:24 0 1
bbc
I am in strong agreance with you , especially putting the ball in straight down the middle , not like in rugby league , and also the line out throw straight down the middle and also being offside in front of the ladder or kicker - simple stuff that needs addressing this season.
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06/02/2021 16:14:59 0 1
bbc
There is a vid on YT that shows you can throw the ball backwards over your head whilst running and the player behind catches it ahead from where it was released.
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06/02/2021 16:26:51 0 1
bbc
you obviously didn't referee, if there is pace in the line and you pass slightly backwards the ball will end up in front of where you passed it. As for scrum putins, I agree but its one of those chestnuts where A1 referees put on the "You don't know anything" Hat. I and many others have been put down at refs meetings on that one. They don't have to ref ordinary games.
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06/02/2021 10:48:15 3 1
bbc
It's time to stop time wasting when there is a yellow card and taking the ball away when there is a penalty. Also stop the commentators constantly talking rubbish, do they have to name each player as he or she gets the ball, it's TV, we can see!
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06/02/2021 13:04:21 0 2
bbc
Let’s just call him Eddie Butler!
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06/02/2021 10:12:06 7 1
bbc
The Irish scrum illegal? Surely not. Must look up how many Irish games Nigel reffed and Ireland won.
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06/02/2021 13:05:37 1 3
bbc
He’s not called O’Wens for nothing.
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06/02/2021 13:08:35 3 24
bbc
Struggle to see the inordinate respect accorded Owen. He was just a good ref. Often failed to referee both sides at crucial times. Maybe he couldn't deal with the pressure and hence his 'personality' kicked in. Found him arrogant and that is going to get worse now his shackles are off. He'll be annoyingly opinionated like JD. Sad he didn't continue the line of great Welsh referees of Norling/Bevan
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06/02/2021 16:08:56 5 1
bbc
Oics do exist because you're one. It's the players that say he's the best ref not armchair supporters
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06/02/2021 19:07:42 0 1
bbc
Absolute rubbish !!
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06/02/2021 13:09:42 9 1
bbc
Absolutely correct. Referee the offside line correctly, stop the crossing that takes place in the backline and sort out the breakdown. Players are allowed to play the ball for too long on the floor when going into contact and defending players are illegally slowing the ball down. If the referee has to tell the player to release the ball they're already committing an offence - penalise them.
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06/02/2021 13:12:50 14 1
bbc
Coming from an Englishman, Owens was probably one of the best refs the game has ever seen. Have an immense amount of respect for him as a ref and as a human being.
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06/02/2021 13:01:37 15 2
bbc
Enforce basic rules:
1) A pass is forward when it is caught in front of where it is thrown
2) A scrum put in is not straight if it doesn't land in the middle of the tunnel
3) A line out is not straight if it doesn't go down the middle of the two lines
4) You are offside if you are not behind the offside line

We don't need new rules, just enforce the ones that have always been there.
56
06/02/2021 13:13:08 1 1
bbc
2. The ball doesn't have to go down the middle of a scrum but it does have to be straight. Any part of the ball, ie the very end, can go down the centre line.
57
06/02/2021 13:13:17 11 1
bbc
Drop the tackle height from the chest to the hips (you know like you were taught at school, holding the legs together and slide down). That allows the tackled player to off load, less rucks and less static play. Also safer and would lead to more tries and less aimless kicking. SH's who put the ball in wonky one warning then yellow card. Stop the clock whenever the ball isn't in play.
58
06/02/2021 13:29:45 12 2
bbc
Don’t care what anyone says I for one will miss his one liners in the 6N absolute legend imho
I would be happy if he was ref for England v Wales game and I’m English. Enjoy your retirement Nigel one of the best.
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MRF
06/02/2021 11:38:23 8 1
bbc
2 obvious rule changes in my bevies - 1) Eliminate the dreadful caterpillar ruck by penalising inactive players extending the ruck and 2) Stop the clock between the time the referee signals/calls a scrum and when he calls ‘Bind’ to reduce tedious/tactile time wasting.
59
06/02/2021 13:39:30 0 1
bbc
Rucks-reduce time available from 5-3 secs for scrum half to mess about getting the ball away. Ref to countdown on saying ball available-get turned over for being too slow-TSB. Clamp down on all time wasting-eg team walking slowly towards lineout? Turnover and lineout or scrum at position from where ball kicked from...even if it was originally a penalty-2 wrongs don’t make a right.
50
06/02/2021 13:01:37 15 2
bbc
Enforce basic rules:
1) A pass is forward when it is caught in front of where it is thrown
2) A scrum put in is not straight if it doesn't land in the middle of the tunnel
3) A line out is not straight if it doesn't go down the middle of the two lines
4) You are offside if you are not behind the offside line

We don't need new rules, just enforce the ones that have always been there.
60
06/02/2021 13:53:21 0 1
bbc
I've heard the suggestion that refs won't penalise lineout not straights if the defending side doesn't contest the lineout. But why should they contest if most of the time the throws aren't straight?
61
06/02/2021 13:56:49 0 1
bbc
I've not heard that anywhere.
60
06/02/2021 13:53:21 0 1
bbc
I've heard the suggestion that refs won't penalise lineout not straights if the defending side doesn't contest the lineout. But why should they contest if most of the time the throws aren't straight?
61
06/02/2021 13:56:49 0 1
bbc
I've not heard that anywhere.
47
06/02/2021 12:18:54 1 1
bbc
Re constant scrum resets - I'm a simple man so I think either something illegal has happened in which it's a penalty or it's legal and play on.
62
06/02/2021 13:58:01 4 1
bbc
Agree. Same with delaying the scrum or line out, its a free kick.

Taking 10 seconds to bind up or have a mothers meeting before a line out,bi just penalise them.

It soon stops.
63
06/02/2021 14:16:45 4 13
bbc
Whilst a great ref I think he has a bloody cheek suggesting the laws should be followed when he made a career reffing as he saw fit and to hell with the laws
81
06/02/2021 16:21:15 0 1
bbc
That is what was special about him, he knew when to interfere and when to keep out. Although I think he was reigned in a few years ago when he seemed to overdo it and it showed.
88
06/02/2021 19:06:40 2 1
bbc
Rubbish comment
50
06/02/2021 13:01:37 15 2
bbc
Enforce basic rules:
1) A pass is forward when it is caught in front of where it is thrown
2) A scrum put in is not straight if it doesn't land in the middle of the tunnel
3) A line out is not straight if it doesn't go down the middle of the two lines
4) You are offside if you are not behind the offside line

We don't need new rules, just enforce the ones that have always been there.
64
06/02/2021 14:18:24 0 1
bbc
I am in strong agreance with you , especially putting the ball in straight down the middle , not like in rugby league , and also the line out throw straight down the middle and also being offside in front of the ladder or kicker - simple stuff that needs addressing this season.
67
06/02/2021 14:24:53 0 1
bbc
As I've pointed out ref ball down the muddle of the scrum. That isn't the law, so why are you expecting it to be enforced??

Law 19.15.f

Covers this
65
06/02/2021 14:19:20 5 1
bbc
For me, one way to improve the game would be to remove the dominance of the driving maul, particularly from a kick to the corner. When the ball is caught you will often see a group of forwards already forming the maul behind the catcher. They can only do this by leaving the line out before the hooker throws in. Maybe that should be reffed more strictly.
66
06/02/2021 14:19:58 2 2
bbc
Six Nations just kicked off...

The whole Italian line was in front of the kicker.
64
06/02/2021 14:18:24 0 1
bbc
I am in strong agreance with you , especially putting the ball in straight down the middle , not like in rugby league , and also the line out throw straight down the middle and also being offside in front of the ladder or kicker - simple stuff that needs addressing this season.
67
06/02/2021 14:24:53 0 1
bbc
As I've pointed out ref ball down the muddle of the scrum. That isn't the law, so why are you expecting it to be enforced??

Law 19.15.f

Covers this
68
06/02/2021 14:47:00 2 2
bbc
This ref ,in the Italian game, is bang on.
69
06/02/2021 14:55:00 1 1
bbc
The style of Rugby being played now is more and more like Rugby League. The glorious running rugby of the 70's and 80's has gone forever unless the rules get changed. England started it all in the 90's. Nowadays, if you want to watch running rugby, you are better off watching sevens.
70
06/02/2021 15:14:43 2 15
bbc
Very good ref Nigel Owens. Rarely made mistakes and he was fair which is the most important thing

Only ones better are Wayne Barnes, Jonathan Kaplan and Andre Watson
87
06/02/2021 19:05:55 6 1
bbc
Better than Owens umm no never in a million years
71
06/02/2021 15:16:58 4 1
bbc
Stop allowing penalty takers significantly more time than the rules allow ie 60 seconds from the moment the referee points to the posts. Yes Mr Sexton - that includes you.
72
06/02/2021 15:21:55 7 1
bbc
Agree. It's not good to watch. But for lining up for pens like lineouts and scrums they should seriously consider stopping the clock.

At least then the team ahead doesn't benefit from time wasting. It might also reduce silly pens and discipline problems from the team behind - they can get frustrated by the gamesmanship
71
06/02/2021 15:16:58 4 1
bbc
Stop allowing penalty takers significantly more time than the rules allow ie 60 seconds from the moment the referee points to the posts. Yes Mr Sexton - that includes you.
72
06/02/2021 15:21:55 7 1
bbc
Agree. It's not good to watch. But for lining up for pens like lineouts and scrums they should seriously consider stopping the clock.

At least then the team ahead doesn't benefit from time wasting. It might also reduce silly pens and discipline problems from the team behind - they can get frustrated by the gamesmanship
97
07/02/2021 14:15:03 0 0
bbc
We’ll end up like American Football where an 80 min game takes 4 hours to complete! ??
73
06/02/2021 15:35:17 1 3
bbc
Once the ref' calls advantage that should be it, they should not go back if no advantage is taken.
86
06/02/2021 19:04:44 1 1
bbc
Sorry but advantage must be territory or tactical!
44
MRF
06/02/2021 11:56:47 0 1
bbc
Apologies for typos....for bevies read view and for tactile read tactical
74
06/02/2021 15:51:37 0 1
bbc
Too many views before the match?
75
06/02/2021 16:05:55 6 1
bbc
There are many laws that are not refereed, starting with the crooked put in at the scrum. A whole element of the game disappeared with that one, with "against the head" completely missing. Then the scrum half is going to kick and two blockers are inserted, not binding and well in front of the back feet. Remove them and fast mobile flankers are back in the game and a lot of kicking is gone.
53
06/02/2021 13:08:35 3 24
bbc
Struggle to see the inordinate respect accorded Owen. He was just a good ref. Often failed to referee both sides at crucial times. Maybe he couldn't deal with the pressure and hence his 'personality' kicked in. Found him arrogant and that is going to get worse now his shackles are off. He'll be annoyingly opinionated like JD. Sad he didn't continue the line of great Welsh referees of Norling/Bevan
76
06/02/2021 16:08:56 5 1
bbc
Oics do exist because you're one. It's the players that say he's the best ref not armchair supporters
77
06/02/2021 16:11:47 2 1
bbc
The irony, fans have been screaming that the offside doesnt get reffed, now suddenly he is in the stands or behind the screen he sees it. So the one eyed fans were right all along nige?
50
06/02/2021 13:01:37 15 2
bbc
Enforce basic rules:
1) A pass is forward when it is caught in front of where it is thrown
2) A scrum put in is not straight if it doesn't land in the middle of the tunnel
3) A line out is not straight if it doesn't go down the middle of the two lines
4) You are offside if you are not behind the offside line

We don't need new rules, just enforce the ones that have always been there.
78
06/02/2021 16:14:59 0 1
bbc
There is a vid on YT that shows you can throw the ball backwards over your head whilst running and the player behind catches it ahead from where it was released.
79
06/02/2021 16:15:32 3 1
bbc
I know this will not be universally popular but many teams place too much reliance upon kicking to touch near opposition try line and the driving maul instead of heads up and looking for the more obvious/evident route. The backs are too often left frustrated and unused. There is only so far you can take 'win at all costs' before the spectator says: "B-----ks!
80
06/02/2021 16:19:01 1 1
bbc
He' absolutely right. Their are sufficient laws to deal with all eventualities. Todays six nations will be interesting, tomorrows even more. Matt Cardell had a great game today. There were few messes on the floor and he was quick to stop things when they looked messy. Many referees don't do that they leave it and invariably it turns into a slogfest Mons Poite a typical example. They have a whistle
63
06/02/2021 14:16:45 4 13
bbc
Whilst a great ref I think he has a bloody cheek suggesting the laws should be followed when he made a career reffing as he saw fit and to hell with the laws
81
06/02/2021 16:21:15 0 1
bbc
That is what was special about him, he knew when to interfere and when to keep out. Although I think he was reigned in a few years ago when he seemed to overdo it and it showed.
50
06/02/2021 13:01:37 15 2
bbc
Enforce basic rules:
1) A pass is forward when it is caught in front of where it is thrown
2) A scrum put in is not straight if it doesn't land in the middle of the tunnel
3) A line out is not straight if it doesn't go down the middle of the two lines
4) You are offside if you are not behind the offside line

We don't need new rules, just enforce the ones that have always been there.
82
06/02/2021 16:26:51 0 1
bbc
you obviously didn't referee, if there is pace in the line and you pass slightly backwards the ball will end up in front of where you passed it. As for scrum putins, I agree but its one of those chestnuts where A1 referees put on the "You don't know anything" Hat. I and many others have been put down at refs meetings on that one. They don't have to ref ordinary games.
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Hal
06/02/2021 16:38:40 1 1
bbc
I would like refs to whistle when the laws are infringed. There are too many occasions when refs are telling players they are infringing (often by name). Th Players rely on that, they back off only after being warned and in the meantime they've successfully slowed the game down or blocked the opposition. I realise in the early days games will be stopping all the time but players would adapt quick
85
06/02/2021 19:03:18 0 1
bbc
Refs warn to try and let advantage work
84
06/02/2021 18:57:54 4 2
bbc
Class Referee.

Thank you for the heads up that Barnes is refereeing tomorrow. His style of officiating kills a game.
92
06/02/2021 19:36:39 2 5
bbc
Barnes is strict but usually pretty fair.
83
Hal
06/02/2021 16:38:40 1 1
bbc
I would like refs to whistle when the laws are infringed. There are too many occasions when refs are telling players they are infringing (often by name). Th Players rely on that, they back off only after being warned and in the meantime they've successfully slowed the game down or blocked the opposition. I realise in the early days games will be stopping all the time but players would adapt quick
85
06/02/2021 19:03:18 0 1
bbc
Refs warn to try and let advantage work
73
06/02/2021 15:35:17 1 3
bbc
Once the ref' calls advantage that should be it, they should not go back if no advantage is taken.
86
06/02/2021 19:04:44 1 1
bbc
Sorry but advantage must be territory or tactical!
70
06/02/2021 15:14:43 2 15
bbc
Very good ref Nigel Owens. Rarely made mistakes and he was fair which is the most important thing

Only ones better are Wayne Barnes, Jonathan Kaplan and Andre Watson
87
06/02/2021 19:05:55 6 1
bbc
Better than Owens umm no never in a million years
63
06/02/2021 14:16:45 4 13
bbc
Whilst a great ref I think he has a bloody cheek suggesting the laws should be followed when he made a career reffing as he saw fit and to hell with the laws
88
06/02/2021 19:06:40 2 1
bbc
Rubbish comment
53
06/02/2021 13:08:35 3 24
bbc
Struggle to see the inordinate respect accorded Owen. He was just a good ref. Often failed to referee both sides at crucial times. Maybe he couldn't deal with the pressure and hence his 'personality' kicked in. Found him arrogant and that is going to get worse now his shackles are off. He'll be annoyingly opinionated like JD. Sad he didn't continue the line of great Welsh referees of Norling/Bevan
89
06/02/2021 19:07:42 0 1
bbc
Absolute rubbish !!
36
06/02/2021 11:07:24 6 1
bbc
it's the rapport he had with the players that built up the respect - will miss him officiating at the highest level and I'm not Welsh! Actually would have been happy with him refereeing Wales v. England. Up and coming I am getting more and more impressed with Luke Pierce - the heir apparent?
90
06/02/2021 19:09:23 0 1
bbc
Yes and he was born in Pontypool
91
06/02/2021 19:33:27 3 1
bbc
Glad that Nige is on board as a consultant on interpretation for the Welsh side, we seem a but confused as to why we're getting penalised so often of late. Hopefully this will improve our discipline at the set piece and breakdown.
84
06/02/2021 18:57:54 4 2
bbc
Class Referee.

Thank you for the heads up that Barnes is refereeing tomorrow. His style of officiating kills a game.
92
06/02/2021 19:36:39 2 5
bbc
Barnes is strict but usually pretty fair.
93
07/02/2021 01:36:56 2 0
bbc
New Zealand & Ireland play right on the edge of rucks & mauls, and most of the time get away with it. You have a look tomorrow.
96
07/02/2021 14:11:51 0 0
bbc
End England!
94
07/02/2021 01:38:45 0 1
bbc
Scrums are killing the game. Slows play down and makes the game unattractive.
95
07/02/2021 14:11:35 0 0
bbc
Clearly a back! ??
94
07/02/2021 01:38:45 0 1
bbc
Scrums are killing the game. Slows play down and makes the game unattractive.
95
07/02/2021 14:11:35 0 0
bbc
Clearly a back! ??
93
07/02/2021 01:36:56 2 0
bbc
New Zealand & Ireland play right on the edge of rucks & mauls, and most of the time get away with it. You have a look tomorrow.
96
07/02/2021 14:11:51 0 0
bbc
End England!
72
06/02/2021 15:21:55 7 1
bbc
Agree. It's not good to watch. But for lining up for pens like lineouts and scrums they should seriously consider stopping the clock.

At least then the team ahead doesn't benefit from time wasting. It might also reduce silly pens and discipline problems from the team behind - they can get frustrated by the gamesmanship
97
07/02/2021 14:15:03 0 0
bbc
We’ll end up like American Football where an 80 min game takes 4 hours to complete! ??
98
07/02/2021 16:50:02 1 0
bbc
I find modern RU a little bit boring to say the least. Men running into each other, stop, then doing it again until someone makes a mistake.

My boyfriend says it’s because the defence coaching is so good since RL defensive coaches are used in UK as they always were in Australia & NZ.

He says that the defensive line needs to be back at least 5m to give the attacking team advantage.
99
07/02/2021 17:22:39 0 0
bbc
Nigel Owens lifted the standard of refereeing enormously, by his communication with players on the field.
He didn't simply penalise infringements, he sought to deter and prevent foul play from occurring. The result of this, was free flowing rugby, without the constant whistling, which threatened to kill the game of modern rugby.
He is the standard to which all modern refs must now aspire.
98
07/02/2021 16:50:02 1 0
bbc
I find modern RU a little bit boring to say the least. Men running into each other, stop, then doing it again until someone makes a mistake.

My boyfriend says it’s because the defence coaching is so good since RL defensive coaches are used in UK as they always were in Australia & NZ.

He says that the defensive line needs to be back at least 5m to give the attacking team advantage.
99
07/02/2021 17:22:39 0 0
bbc
Nigel Owens lifted the standard of refereeing enormously, by his communication with players on the field.
He didn't simply penalise infringements, he sought to deter and prevent foul play from occurring. The result of this, was free flowing rugby, without the constant whistling, which threatened to kill the game of modern rugby.
He is the standard to which all modern refs must now aspire.
100
07/02/2021 17:22:56 0 0
bbc
Nigel Owens lifted the standard of refereeing enormously, by his communication with players on the field.
He didn't simply penalise infringements, he sought to deter and prevent foul play from occurring. The result of this, was free flowing rugby, without the constant whistling, which threatened to kill the game of modern rugby.
He is the standard to which all modern refs must now aspire.