Vote on Premiership relegation delayed
05/02/2021
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A crucial decision on whether to scrap relegation from the Premiership this season is delayed.
No relegation, promote Sarries and Pathfinders and ringfence the premiership.
Make a 12 team tier two with each teams having an affiliation with a top tier club to be used to give academy players experience, returning players fitness and clubs financial security.
Make a 12 team tier two with each teams having an affiliation with a top tier club to be used to give academy players experience, returning players fitness and clubs financial security.
If relegation was scrapped for this season, which I personally agree with, why would Saracens automatically be promoted back into the premiership for the 21/22 season?
Not much of a punishment for consistent rule breaking....
Not much of a punishment for consistent rule breaking....
So instead, you're doubling the punishment for no reason. They're already missing out on this season.
Especially since they wouldn't have had to do a sod of work to achieve it.
Where does it state Saracens would be automatically promoted?
Prem rules state no top loaded contracts, and any promoted the club has to release its accounts to be viewed to prove that 1)they have not broken salary cap, 2)contracts have not been top loaded (£1.0m first year and on £20k second / 3rd year) 3)accounts have to comply with Prem rules for previous 2 years. woops that means some (one) team/s can not be promoted due to previous salary cap breaches!
As a Gloucester supporter at the moment I want there to be no relegation this season!! If we had cancelled two matches because of Covid we would have an extra four points and be off the bottom--crazy. Cancel relegation, have a larger league next year and let us loyal supporters see a couple of extra matches to make up for what we have missed this past year.
The way things are going (re the Championship actually getting played) will there actually be anyone to promote for relegation to be an issue?
Or are Sarries just getting automatically back into the league.....
Or are Sarries just getting automatically back into the league.....
Why are you assuming this ? Any team that wins the Championship should be promoted and any team that is not good enough to play in the Premiership should be relegated
As many Championship teams as choose to play should make up the league. Winner takes all, no messing about with playoffs. If there must be a playoff, go two up, one down, winner goes up, bottom of the Prem plays off with second for the 'extra' place
As a Gloucester supporter at the moment I want there to be no relegation this season!! If we had cancelled two matches because of Covid we would have an extra four points and be off the bottom--crazy. Cancel relegation, have a larger league next year and let us loyal supporters see a couple of extra matches to make up for what we have missed this past year.
So given that there have been no games in the Championship and none happening any time soon, how will promotion work?
Me too. Not being relegated 2 seasons ago was a disaster as it would have cleared out once and for all the dross at the very top of our club. As it is, we're still stuck with them.
Re >>> "With five matches this season already cancelled following coronavirus outbreaks, and points allocated to the teams involved, the clubs have argued that relegating a side in these circumstances would be unfair."
Well by that logic, then surely it would be unfair on other clubs in the Championship to promote 1 or 2 to the Premiership....
What's good for the goose etc etc
Well by that logic, then surely it would be unfair on other clubs in the Championship to promote 1 or 2 to the Premiership....
What's good for the goose etc etc
No relegation, promote Sarries and Pathfinders and ringfence the premiership.
Make a 12 team tier two with each teams having an affiliation with a top tier club to be used to give academy players experience, returning players fitness and clubs financial security.
Make a 12 team tier two with each teams having an affiliation with a top tier club to be used to give academy players experience, returning players fitness and clubs financial security.
In Wales we used to have the Merit table, it was a farce... Ring fenced and for years the whipping boys were Glamorgan Wanderers
You need a league structure to grow quality players and clubs need ambition, no one can deny Exeter set a great example and all junior clubs should be able to aspire to follow
Ring fencing is ridiculous and sadly clubs that don’t perform drop but it’s a necessary evil
You need a league structure to grow quality players and clubs need ambition, no one can deny Exeter set a great example and all junior clubs should be able to aspire to follow
Ring fencing is ridiculous and sadly clubs that don’t perform drop but it’s a necessary evil
Where does it state Saracens would be automatically promoted?
So why mention it ? What punishment would you have liked to have been handed out ?
Why when the majority view is that players are being asked to play too much rugby in a year is there a possible proposal to increase the size of the league? Or could it possibly be to get a certain rule breaking team back. If it was increased and it looking likely that the Championship league is going to be postponed this year who will choose which teams get voted into the closed shop?
Or are you more worried you might be dragged into the relegation battle at the end of the season and Saracens take your place ? Leicester only avoided relegation last year due to Sarries being relegated. Maybe you should be great full !
Relegate the bottom club simple
Totally agree- those clubs that are relegation contenders are looking to use COVID cancellations and the fear that Saracens might be promoted are generally against relegation when the fact of the matter is they are not good enough to stay in the Premiership
For England’s sake Saracens need to go back up or Itoje et al find other clubs.
Is there any chance we can cancel relegation, but not expand the league next season? I can't see how we can have relegation with sides getting points for covid cancelled games, and then who do you promote? as there's been no games to decide it.
Frankly I can't help but think that if it weren't Saracens then we wouldn't be talking about automatically promoting sides.
Frankly I can't help but think that if it weren't Saracens then we wouldn't be talking about automatically promoting sides.
For England’s sake Saracens need to go back up or Itoje et al find other clubs.
Nobody is talking about Sarries as this thread is about relegation from the Premiership
Relegate the bottom club simple
Seems to be a lot of peoples reasoning here is just anti Saracens whinging. They've been relegated. They're serving their punishment, they're not playing in the top flight! Any cheating, happened at board level. It's not like 'bloodgate' where Quins actively cheated in an on field game. They are a Prem Club whether you lot like it or not and hopefully they will be back automatically if necessary.
"They are a Prem Club whether you lot like it "
Well, patently, they aren't, i don't see them in the Prem Table?
Any disruption to their (inevitable) promotion is tough. Their cheating and subsequent relegation coincided with a pandemic.
Own it Saracens.
Well, patently, they aren't, i don't see them in the Prem Table?
Any disruption to their (inevitable) promotion is tough. Their cheating and subsequent relegation coincided with a pandemic.
Own it Saracens.
Off course it was cheating on the field. How do you think they could continue to play a team full of internationals every single week even when the 6N was taking place?
But Sarries "board level" directly effected what happened on the field, as Sarries were able to field are much stronger team than they were allowed. As such they cheated in every on field game that had this team, so far wore than bloodgate, which was just one game
Saracens players did actively cheat for years. They knew they were breaking the remuneration rules. Pure and simple.
It's exactly like Quins. Saracens cheated in every on field game by fielding players they shouldn't have on their books.
The way things are going (re the Championship actually getting played) will there actually be anyone to promote for relegation to be an issue?
Or are Sarries just getting automatically back into the league.....
Or are Sarries just getting automatically back into the league.....
In Wales we used to have the Merit table, it was a farce... Ring fenced and for years the whipping boys were Glamorgan Wanderers
You need a league structure to grow quality players and clubs need ambition, no one can deny Exeter set a great example and all junior clubs should be able to aspire to follow
Ring fencing is ridiculous and sadly clubs that don’t perform drop but it’s a necessary evil
You need a league structure to grow quality players and clubs need ambition, no one can deny Exeter set a great example and all junior clubs should be able to aspire to follow
Ring fencing is ridiculous and sadly clubs that don’t perform drop but it’s a necessary evil
I may be confused but given the Premiership & Championship are out of sync, with no confirmed timescale for the latter, how would promotion & relegation even work? Presumably the only issue here is actually managing when & how Saracens get 'promoted'?
Seems to be a lot of peoples reasoning here is just anti Saracens whinging. They've been relegated. They're serving their punishment, they're not playing in the top flight! Any cheating, happened at board level. It's not like 'bloodgate' where Quins actively cheated in an on field game. They are a Prem Club whether you lot like it or not and hopefully they will be back automatically if necessary.
haha yes I knew I'd catch some little fishies. Reality is they'll be back on top soon enough. Enjoy it while you can, try not to get too upset when they're champions. Again.
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It won't be ruined, sorry 'Ring fenced' until Sarries are back up.
As a Chiefs fan, dead against ring fencing. There's a few other clubs in the SW would like to emulate our success, and why shouldn't they...........?
As a Chiefs fan, dead against ring fencing. There's a few other clubs in the SW would like to emulate our success, and why shouldn't they...........?
Chiefs are a massive argument against ringfencing. Who's to say to the Pirates, sorry guys you'll never make it?
As a Bath fan, my hopes and prayers are that relegation is scrapped this season, along with our Gloucester and Worcester cousins I imagine!
But I don't agree with it, as a grass roots rugby fan. And I think ring-fencing to appease the big money men would be nothing short of scandalous and another nail in the rugby integrity coffin.
As has been said, Exeter's story is exhibit A.
But I don't agree with it, as a grass roots rugby fan. And I think ring-fencing to appease the big money men would be nothing short of scandalous and another nail in the rugby integrity coffin.
As has been said, Exeter's story is exhibit A.
The proposal seems to be to halt relegation for one season, but not promotion, therefore expanding the Premiership to 13 or 14 clubs. That seems to negate the Chiefs point made frequently on this thread - which would otherwise be a stand-alone argument that is very strong
Which are these clubs? Other than Sarries and Ealing I am not sure there are any others who have a rich enough backer or even want promotion.
Would Exeter be where they are now without the financial input of Tony Roe over the last 23 years ?
a lot of comments ref Sarries - lets remember they chose relegation above disclosing their books .
I don't think anyone other than the club and their fans want to see them get special treatment.
The point is more that they remain influential and rightly or wrongly, will almost certainly have a say in what happens.
The point is more that they remain influential and rightly or wrongly, will almost certainly have a say in what happens.
They refused because the other clubs ran a mile when asked to do the same thing !
Without Saracens in the Premiership, England will not win another match. Exeter have shown how they can't maintain any form. Bristol and Wasps are great teams but do not have any consistency. I can see why the BBC and other anti English rugby supporters would want Saracens kept in the Championship.
Ring fence it and keep the cheats out.......are you listening Saracens.
Tom no Brain more like.
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Few cheats left in there by Lord Dysons reckoning. The pact with the devil's was to not stir the pot and risk absolute chaos with about quarter of the Prem guilty of similar 'crimes'
Seems to be a lot of peoples reasoning here is just anti Saracens whinging. They've been relegated. They're serving their punishment, they're not playing in the top flight! Any cheating, happened at board level. It's not like 'bloodgate' where Quins actively cheated in an on field game. They are a Prem Club whether you lot like it or not and hopefully they will be back automatically if necessary.
Good news.
Ring-fencing would make the entire second half of the season completely pointless for any clubs down the bottom end of the table.
Ring-fencing would make the entire second half of the season completely pointless for any clubs down the bottom end of the table.
Trying for top 6 would be the carrot.
Tom no Brain more like.
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Lol I thought it was quite good.
My money is on no relegation and bring Saracens back. Suits just working out how to sell it without looking like sell-outs.
Surely if one team is admitted it should be Ealing as they recently beat Saracens.
Lets be honest Saracens were caught, others have defiantly got away.
Saracens have paid the price they should not be punished twice
Scrap the salary cap
Saracens have paid the price they should not be punished twice
Scrap the salary cap
Seems to be a lot of peoples reasoning here is just anti Saracens whinging. They've been relegated. They're serving their punishment, they're not playing in the top flight! Any cheating, happened at board level. It's not like 'bloodgate' where Quins actively cheated in an on field game. They are a Prem Club whether you lot like it or not and hopefully they will be back automatically if necessary.
Totally agree- those clubs that are relegation contenders are looking to use COVID cancellations and the fear that Saracens might be promoted are generally against relegation when the fact of the matter is they are not good enough to stay in the Premiership
If covid is unfair on relegation then they should just scrap the league. By the same logic it's unfair on every other league position. So we can't have playoffs and we cant have league positions determining cup spots.
Exactly. If teams are not required to be at their peak for every game the right to be named Champions is seriously undermined.
If ring-fencing is approved, it should not include any additional teams.
League is big enough already and those in Championship should only be admitted if and when they win the league after ring-fencing is relaxed.
League is big enough already and those in Championship should only be admitted if and when they win the league after ring-fencing is relaxed.
This is has been delayed so Saracens - who have totally undermined the competition - can be let in. Rugby values - not.
What about the other clubs/coaches that have previously undermined the competition ?
It has been delayed so there are more games played and the viewers think there is relegation and BT get viewers late on they will say no relegation when in realty everyone knows it wont happen. Win for broadcasters and win for teams.
The pieman on a proper rugby site!
How very dare you!!
How very dare you!!
We have been punished for our inadvertent breaches. Given we have 30% of the England team playing tomorrow, it seems perverse to ringfence with no ability to be able to regain our P/ship place. This was not envisioned when we were relegated. COVID has caused this. Is this because one of the “old school” might get relegated this season? If no relegation will there be no champ, no Champ cup places?
Relegation frozen? NO!!! Got to reward Sorrycens for years of deliberate cheating and get them back to the Premiership, the 3rd Division of European Rugby.
Surely it's of immense importance to the English Rugby Union that their beloved Sorrycens be plucked from lowly English Championship and placed in the lowly Premiership. Ideally with no record the grubby little cheats ever having play a game.
Surely it's of immense importance to the English Rugby Union that their beloved Sorrycens be plucked from lowly English Championship and placed in the lowly Premiership. Ideally with no record the grubby little cheats ever having play a game.
What has relegation got to do with Saracens? If your not good enough you should be relegated and the team that wins the Championship is promoted. Do you support a team that is looking at winning the Premiership or facing relegation ?
Until Covid had gone and teams start playing in front of proper crowds I don't see the point in even talking about ring-fencing or changes to the league structures.
Must hold on to promotion and relegation. Remember that Exeter, Bristol, and in the past Saracens have all been 2nd tier clubs. Preventing others from joining and refreshing the gene pool is just wrong.
I read Stephen Jones in the Times and whilst most of his articles are tosh, his view on how France operate the two divisions is wortt a read and emulating
I read Stephen Jones in the Times and whilst most of his articles are tosh, his view on how France operate the two divisions is wortt a read and emulating
"Remember that Exeter, Bristol, and in the past Saracens have all been 2nd tier clubs"
Also, so have saints, Quins and Falcons.
Also, so have saints, Quins and Falcons.
Majority of clubs simply dont want it though.
Seems to be a lot of peoples reasoning here is just anti Saracens whinging. They've been relegated. They're serving their punishment, they're not playing in the top flight! Any cheating, happened at board level. It's not like 'bloodgate' where Quins actively cheated in an on field game. They are a Prem Club whether you lot like it or not and hopefully they will be back automatically if necessary.
Must hold on to promotion and relegation. Remember that Exeter, Bristol, and in the past Saracens have all been 2nd tier clubs. Preventing others from joining and refreshing the gene pool is just wrong.
I read Stephen Jones in the Times and whilst most of his articles are tosh, his view on how France operate the two divisions is wortt a read and emulating
I read Stephen Jones in the Times and whilst most of his articles are tosh, his view on how France operate the two divisions is wortt a read and emulating
Seems to be a lot of peoples reasoning here is just anti Saracens whinging. They've been relegated. They're serving their punishment, they're not playing in the top flight! Any cheating, happened at board level. It's not like 'bloodgate' where Quins actively cheated in an on field game. They are a Prem Club whether you lot like it or not and hopefully they will be back automatically if necessary.
Relegation frozen? NO!!! Got to reward Sorrycens for years of deliberate cheating and get them back to the Premiership, the 3rd Division of European Rugby.
Surely it's of immense importance to the English Rugby Union that their beloved Sorrycens be plucked from lowly English Championship and placed in the lowly Premiership. Ideally with no record the grubby little cheats ever having play a game.
Surely it's of immense importance to the English Rugby Union that their beloved Sorrycens be plucked from lowly English Championship and placed in the lowly Premiership. Ideally with no record the grubby little cheats ever having play a game.
Must hold on to promotion and relegation. Remember that Exeter, Bristol, and in the past Saracens have all been 2nd tier clubs. Preventing others from joining and refreshing the gene pool is just wrong.
I read Stephen Jones in the Times and whilst most of his articles are tosh, his view on how France operate the two divisions is wortt a read and emulating
I read Stephen Jones in the Times and whilst most of his articles are tosh, his view on how France operate the two divisions is wortt a read and emulating
What about them?
This isn't about them and 'whataboutism' tends to be the last vestige of those with an indefensible position.
It's like getting caught stealing a car and justifying it by pointing at shoplifters.
This isn't about them and 'whataboutism' tends to be the last vestige of those with an indefensible position.
It's like getting caught stealing a car and justifying it by pointing at shoplifters.
RFU cutting funding for the championship is a disgrace. This doesn't affect Saracens but it hurts the other less well off clubs badly.
This has been swept under the carpet.
I know there are many fans who sit in their ivory towers who don't care about this but it's worse than whether Gloucester has to spend one season in the championship or not.
Bristol and Exeter came from the championship.
This has been swept under the carpet.
I know there are many fans who sit in their ivory towers who don't care about this but it's worse than whether Gloucester has to spend one season in the championship or not.
Bristol and Exeter came from the championship.
As a Bath fan, my hopes and prayers are that relegation is scrapped this season, along with our Gloucester and Worcester cousins I imagine!
But I don't agree with it, as a grass roots rugby fan. And I think ring-fencing to appease the big money men would be nothing short of scandalous and another nail in the rugby integrity coffin.
As has been said, Exeter's story is exhibit A.
But I don't agree with it, as a grass roots rugby fan. And I think ring-fencing to appease the big money men would be nothing short of scandalous and another nail in the rugby integrity coffin.
As has been said, Exeter's story is exhibit A.
It might fit some team purposes but while I'm completely against ring-fencing in principle.
The points this year are a bit of a lottery and the Championship isn't going to take place in any substantial sense, so it does seem reasonable to give it a miss this year since both the relegation and promotion are likely to be unearned.
The points this year are a bit of a lottery and the Championship isn't going to take place in any substantial sense, so it does seem reasonable to give it a miss this year since both the relegation and promotion are likely to be unearned.
What has relegation got to do with Saracens? If your not good enough you should be relegated and the team that wins the Championship is promoted. Do you support a team that is looking at winning the Premiership or facing relegation ?
I'm not sure what the expectations are from a ring fenced league? The 6 nations has shown that you can still end up with a "dead duck" team being carried. There are a number of well organised 2nd tier clubs that deserve the opportunity to fight for a seat at the top table. Lack of competition breeds stagnation. English top flight is a little washed out without Sarries.
Exactly. Look at Ealing as well. They have ambitious plans.
The RFU should be looking to revitalise the championship not kill it. It's also great for development of players.
Both Genge and M.Vunipola were originally Bristol players when they were in the championship.
Exeter are the big success story of the championship of course.
The RFU should be looking to revitalise the championship not kill it. It's also great for development of players.
Both Genge and M.Vunipola were originally Bristol players when they were in the championship.
Exeter are the big success story of the championship of course.
haha yes I knew I'd catch some little fishies. Reality is they'll be back on top soon enough. Enjoy it while you can, try not to get too upset when they're champions. Again.
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We'll own the championship, then be back for the prem don't you worry ma'am.
But Sarries "board level" directly effected what happened on the field, as Sarries were able to field are much stronger team than they were allowed. As such they cheated in every on field game that had this team, so far wore than bloodgate, which was just one game
with the amount of matches called off, and the amount of team affected by non availability due to Covid, also the Championship not having a full season, seems inevitable to scrap relegation, but after last season, and the amount of matches played with weakened teams, theres going to be a lot of pointless matches towards the back end of the season,
Early 90's before Nigel Wray became a backer. I think Nigel Wray became a backer of Saracens in 1995.
Only 4 clubs have been in the premiership every year - Gloucester, Wasps, Leicester and Bath.
Of course for three of them there is the serious threat of relegation this year.
Only 4 clubs have been in the premiership every year - Gloucester, Wasps, Leicester and Bath.
Of course for three of them there is the serious threat of relegation this year.
If you can't remember Saracens being a 2nd tier club, then you can't have a very good memory.
Glaws Supporter here.
You play the team that is put in front of you. We have had 7 chances to win games this season. Same number of chances as any other team in the league. Simply, we haven’t performed. We are the makers of our own destiny and we are at the bottom of the league as a result. I am not in favour of ring fencing.
You play the team that is put in front of you. We have had 7 chances to win games this season. Same number of chances as any other team in the league. Simply, we haven’t performed. We are the makers of our own destiny and we are at the bottom of the league as a result. I am not in favour of ring fencing.
Absolutely, if we can play our way out of trouble all well and good. Otherwise we are due an overhaul, at the moment our game management is woeful. No excuses.
Dave P - Shedside
Dave P - Shedside
Never yet met a Glaw that wasn't proper rugby, you lose you take a drink then you come back
We deserve to be bottom on our form don't get me wrong, but it doesn't seem right that teams are ahead of us purely based on points they have received for not being able to field a team due to covid.
If that was true I'd agree. Others haven't had 7 chances to play games though have they. They've just had points allocated as pot luck. If Glos go down by a point when the next best team has been given freebies that is not right.
I'm not sure what the expectations are from a ring fenced league? The 6 nations has shown that you can still end up with a "dead duck" team being carried. There are a number of well organised 2nd tier clubs that deserve the opportunity to fight for a seat at the top table. Lack of competition breeds stagnation. English top flight is a little washed out without Sarries.
Exactly. Look at Ealing as well. They have ambitious plans.
The RFU should be looking to revitalise the championship not kill it. It's also great for development of players.
Both Genge and M.Vunipola were originally Bristol players when they were in the championship.
Exeter are the big success story of the championship of course.
The RFU should be looking to revitalise the championship not kill it. It's also great for development of players.
Both Genge and M.Vunipola were originally Bristol players when they were in the championship.
Exeter are the big success story of the championship of course.
I'm not sure what the expectations are from a ring fenced league? The 6 nations has shown that you can still end up with a "dead duck" team being carried. There are a number of well organised 2nd tier clubs that deserve the opportunity to fight for a seat at the top table. Lack of competition breeds stagnation. English top flight is a little washed out without Sarries.
Why not ring fence the top 2 leagues together protecting the professional all the full time pro teams. Put all 24 sides into 4 pools of 6 and play home and away in regions, with secondary pool /finals stage add in a valuable KO cup comp too.
No relegation for this season from Premiership.
No promotion from "Championship".....if it goes ahead.
Start again next season.
Saracens can then....probably...win the Championship and go back to where they should be and the bottom club in Premiership goes to the Championship....where they should be.
No promotion from "Championship".....if it goes ahead.
Start again next season.
Saracens can then....probably...win the Championship and go back to where they should be and the bottom club in Premiership goes to the Championship....where they should be.
Surely if one team is admitted it should be Ealing as they recently beat Saracens.
are we not forgetting, all sport is about competing at the highest level you're capable of, ring fencing the premiership just means some great clubs, not just in the championship but also in tier 3 and 4 will not be able to have that dream any more, it wasn't that long ago one of those great clubs was Exeter. It would be a total travesty to sport not just rugby if this is allowed to happen.
The Championship, although scheduled, may well not happen this season. I suspect that the final outcome will be no relegation, but the return of Saracens and in order to avoid any legal argument, Ealing also. There are other clubs with aspirations to the Premiership, but given the slashing of the RFU funding no other clubs will be ready or able to compete in the Prem for years, if ever.
I'm not sure what the expectations are from a ring fenced league? The 6 nations has shown that you can still end up with a "dead duck" team being carried. There are a number of well organised 2nd tier clubs that deserve the opportunity to fight for a seat at the top table. Lack of competition breeds stagnation. English top flight is a little washed out without Sarries.
Without Saracens in the Premiership, England will not win another match. Exeter have shown how they can't maintain any form. Bristol and Wasps are great teams but do not have any consistency. I can see why the BBC and other anti English rugby supporters would want Saracens kept in the Championship.
Surely if one team is admitted it should be Ealing as they recently beat Saracens.
Realistically the vote to scrap relegation will easily be won. The only way I could see it being stopped is if all 12 clubs have to agree.
I expect the clubs have already agreed, but the RFU council have the final say and we all know how ridiculous the RFU suits can be at times. For example, "let's grow the game by slashing funding to the Championship"
Let's be honest there will be no meaningful Championship this year. Therefore no justification for anyone getting promoted. However longer term we need to look across the channel to see how they run 2 fully professional leagues and are looking to add a 3rd the FFR also support a much larger community rugby set-up below that, all levels having Promotion & Relegation.
We'll own the championship, then be back for the prem don't you worry ma'am.
¯\_(?)_/¯ Lol so bitter
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Monumentally terrible idea to ring fence the premiership. Which ever goon thought of it, should be relegated themselves. Then again, they come out with this stupid story every year.
Not really what why're saying though is it.
They're saying that nobody should be relegated this season, which given how points have been allocated through cancellations combined with the Championship looking like it will be decided by a 3 game round-robin (or whatever), doesn't sounds like such a stupid idea now does it.
Sarries won't be happy, which I'm sure is why they haven't decided yet.
They're saying that nobody should be relegated this season, which given how points have been allocated through cancellations combined with the Championship looking like it will be decided by a 3 game round-robin (or whatever), doesn't sounds like such a stupid idea now does it.
Sarries won't be happy, which I'm sure is why they haven't decided yet.
Monumentally terrible idea to ring fence the premiership. Which ever goon thought of it, should be relegated themselves. Then again, they come out with this stupid story every year.
Not really what why're saying though is it.
They're saying that nobody should be relegated this season, which given how points have been allocated through cancellations combined with the Championship looking like it will be decided by a 3 game round-robin (or whatever), doesn't sounds like such a stupid idea now does it.
Sarries won't be happy, which I'm sure is why they haven't decided yet.
They're saying that nobody should be relegated this season, which given how points have been allocated through cancellations combined with the Championship looking like it will be decided by a 3 game round-robin (or whatever), doesn't sounds like such a stupid idea now does it.
Sarries won't be happy, which I'm sure is why they haven't decided yet.
As a Bath fan, my hopes and prayers are that relegation is scrapped this season, along with our Gloucester and Worcester cousins I imagine!
But I don't agree with it, as a grass roots rugby fan. And I think ring-fencing to appease the big money men would be nothing short of scandalous and another nail in the rugby integrity coffin.
As has been said, Exeter's story is exhibit A.
But I don't agree with it, as a grass roots rugby fan. And I think ring-fencing to appease the big money men would be nothing short of scandalous and another nail in the rugby integrity coffin.
As has been said, Exeter's story is exhibit A.
It might fit some team purposes but while I'm completely against ring-fencing in principle.
The points this year are a bit of a lottery and the Championship isn't going to take place in any substantial sense, so it does seem reasonable to give it a miss this year since both the relegation and promotion are likely to be unearned.
The points this year are a bit of a lottery and the Championship isn't going to take place in any substantial sense, so it does seem reasonable to give it a miss this year since both the relegation and promotion are likely to be unearned.
The Championship hasn't, and maybe won't start so how can you relegate anyone from the Premiership as there is no Championship winner to replace them ?
Or maybe the RFU are just waiting to promote Saracens anyway !!!
Or maybe the RFU are just waiting to promote Saracens anyway !!!
They will have a say because they are shareholders.
The RFU want them up because they produce international quality players. No other team does this to the same extent.
The RFU want them up because they produce international quality players. No other team does this to the same extent.
I'm with BT on this one.