Covid: Don't ease lockdown restrictions too soon - Starmer
04/02/2021 | news | politics | 2,050
The Labour leader urges the PM not to repeat "the mistakes of last time," amid Tory calls for easing.
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04/02/2021 16:41:03 25 23
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This will not go down too well, but he is right.
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04/02/2021 16:42:25 4 24
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You just wait until the Bunterphiles and their pseudoscience start !!
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04/02/2021 16:47:30 2 2
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Can govt at least admit there is a seasonality aspect to the high death rates currently? Whitty himself alluded to it by saying restrictions may come back next winter, so suggesting seasonality and therefore infections will naturally drop away over late spring and summer. It's never mentioned in any press releases etc.
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04/02/2021 16:40:31 79 20
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Is he going to wrap himself in the Union flag like his focus groups suggested?
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04/02/2021 17:45:13 58 20
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No, the left/woke see our flag as ‘waycsit,’ why?
04/02/2021 19:49:12 5 0
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And lay down in front of a bulldozer.
I hope so.
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04/02/2021 16:42:04 262 72
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gosh yet another stage managed advert for the BBC's Hero!
Gosh yet another Tory Bot having a go at the BBC for reporting the news!! Removed
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lu
04/02/2021 16:45:14 12 6
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Lol !!!
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04/02/2021 16:48:51 10 5
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Yep but judging by these comments its not going too well, they'll probably shut this HYS down early
04/02/2021 19:34:36 0 1
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Which hero?
Captain Pugwash?
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04/02/2021 16:41:03 25 23
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This will not go down too well, but he is right.
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04/02/2021 16:42:25 4 24
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You just wait until the Bunterphiles and their pseudoscience start !!
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04/02/2021 16:42:32 255 24
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Exactly what BoJo said countless times this week when asked when restrictions can be lifted.
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04/02/2021 16:45:25 247 63
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After yesterday i'm surprised Starmer even reared his head. he really showed Labour up yesterday. He was meant to be hot on the heels of facts! being a ex lawyer!
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04/02/2021 16:55:56 8 16
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Only AFTER accusing Starmer of wanting to "cancel Christmas" last December. And look what happened next - infection rates shot up and thousands more died.
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04/02/2021 17:42:37 4 11
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Yeah but he and his Cabinet colleagues have been ramping up optimism for days now with no realistic timetable in sight.
Which is it ?
Understandable caution or diversionary glee ?
04/02/2021 19:30:19 0 7
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Bojo is a bozo.
Didn't you know?
After showing himself up yesterday Starmer should keep his head down

what a plonker
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04/02/2021 16:46:29 137 309
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According to the media reports it was Bozo who messed up, not Starmer, but that doesn't fit the Tory Bot Propaganda Machine narrative, does it?!
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04/02/2021 17:06:28 14 11
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Says someone who thinks woke is an insult?
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04/02/2021 17:31:48 19 29
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Sir Keir Starmer admitted his mistake, which is more than Johnson does.

You should watch Prime Ministers questions, as Johnson very rarely answers the questions. Instead, Johnson regularly goes off in a monologue disparaging (falsely) Starmer or whoever, and the speaker of the house has to interrupt him.

You ought to read :

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Johnson SHOULD NOT be a P.M.
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04/02/2021 17:46:42 3 1
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You are too kind.
04/02/2021 19:18:53 1 2
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He is the opposition; that's his job and someone has to counter-act reckless tories who have a death toll above wembly on their hands in pursuit of cash rather than people
04/02/2021 19:27:00 1 1
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A BIG plonker.
04/02/2021 19:29:19 2 1
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Starmer seems useless at his new job.
Although, he is having to represent a party that is finished, washed-up, irrelevant and has no reason-for-being.
A task for no man. ;)
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04/02/2021 16:42:47 11 25
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Would you expect anything else from Starmer?
He's more control freak than Boris. End the lockdown now, enough of this nonsense.
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04/02/2021 16:47:25 3 5
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Yes, please stop with your nonsensical comments.
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04/02/2021 16:58:45 0 3
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You could hardly be less 'control freak' than Johnson: the man who can't even control his own mouth, hair or flies!
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04/02/2021 16:43:27 10 22
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I'm sure the Prime Minister will flap about a bit, ease too early, more people will sadly and needlessly die, and then blame it on Starmer for being a remoaner.
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04/02/2021 16:43:39 628 128
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he is right, but what he is saying is what the government have been saying since December. They brought in lockdown and said there would be not fixed date for opening things up...and they'd have to just monitor vaccine progress alongside infection/hospital numbers....so they are not rushing at all and have refused to give dates

yet Labour have kept asking for a date etc...contradiction Kier!
Starmer just makes himself look more stupid every day, a lemon replaced by a cabbage. Removed
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04/02/2021 16:54:27 62 70
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Re: "but what he is saying is what the government have been saying since December". Really? I seem to remember Bojo The Clown accusing Starmer of wanting to "cancel Christmas".
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04/02/2021 16:55:19 57 64
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So far the story has been, 3 times, lockdown late and end lockdown too early, with dire consequences for the death toll and our economy!

Bozo might very well have been saying it since he had to cancel Christmas late, but he had ignored the scientific advice to lockdown way beforehand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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04/02/2021 17:04:21 61 25
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He'll deny having said it tomorrow.
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04/02/2021 17:14:58 10 6
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In the article it says 8th March. You don't even know what the people you voted for are saying...
"yet Labour have kept asking for a date etc...contradiction Kier!" No they have not! Tory liar. Removed
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04/02/2021 17:19:50 4 15
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Lockdowns are causing far more damage to public health now and will long term, go and look at the data and stop believing what you are told. lots of published papers from across the globe stating this and not one for lockdowns.

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/
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04/02/2021 17:31:52 8 12
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Shadow party leader job description: Pick though Tory policies and decisions and moan about them. If it wasn't for the fat salary and expense account he probably be quite depressed. I know I would be!
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04/02/2021 17:31:50 1 1
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ask jeremy
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04/02/2021 17:32:10 7 5
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It’s the fraudcasters led by the bbc, “ when ate you going to lift, what date, etc etc” just let the govt get on with it
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04/02/2021 18:18:32 1 2
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It's Keir.
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04/02/2021 18:30:29 2 6
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Government is not rushing because it has no clue as to what its doing.
Hence, the mess we are in.
No idea, whatsoever.
For example, alcohol was an essential item, right? Hahahahahaha
Maybe it is, when you have to suffer this incompetent government.
04/02/2021 18:52:04 4 5
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The Tories have started every lockdown too late and ended them too early. Already they want to open schools early.

Idiots, the lot of them.
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04/02/2021 16:43:47 21 16
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So far the story has been, 3 times, lockdown late and end lockdown too early, with dire consequences for the death toll and our economy!
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04/02/2021 16:44:06 438 127
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Another headline grabbing statement from Captain Irrelevant.
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04/02/2021 16:48:23 127 24
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Can the govt and SAGE at least admit there is a seasonality aspect to the high death rates currently? Whitty himself alluded to it by saying restrictions may come back next winter, so suggesting seasonality and therefore infections will naturally drop away over late spring and summer. It's never mentioned in any press releases etc.
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04/02/2021 16:50:50 14 12
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Would you prefer the Govt had no one to question its decisions?
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04/02/2021 16:51:32 11 17
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Captain irrelevant & captain hindsight just ain't hitting the same as Comrade Corbyn. Right wing press and their boot licking bots need to up the game!
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04/02/2021 16:52:40 15 8
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Another clueless comment from Captain Emptyhead.
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04/02/2021 16:52:48 15 19
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Says an irrelevant Tory Bot!
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04/02/2021 16:59:09 14 20
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I see the Tory Bot Propaganda Machine is in full swamp mode.

It's as if they knew this late in the day HYS was going to be opened!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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dan
04/02/2021 17:06:01 9 10
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The leader of the opposition doing his job? Why is it so many of the HYS's think he should just remain silent? Why do they want government with no one to hold them accountable?
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04/02/2021 18:29:15 2 1
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Your doing a disservice to Starmer, he was Promoted to Lt.Col weeks ago.
04/02/2021 19:16:58 0 2
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And another opposition statement against a tory who only has the interest of busniess people and nothing to lose apart from value of their shares. Just doing his job
04/02/2021 19:25:50 1 1
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Very irrelevant
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04/02/2021 16:44:20 15 23
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The schools should stay closed until after easter. We had lockdown No1. it ended far too soon, then we had lockdown No2. again it ended far too soon. Result? Lockdown 3.
The reasons are that everyone in Uk swamped towns and City centres shopping, eating out and enjoying life, no masks, no distancing, no handwashing, illegal late night raves with over 100 in attendance happened both times. NO MORE!
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04/02/2021 16:54:33 4 4
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"eating out and enjoying life"

and we wouldn't want that to happen again, would we?
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04/02/2021 17:00:01 1 1
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Let me try again (mods!!!) - LD one did not end too early, cases were and stayed very low from June to Sept, LD2 was not an LD at all really, LD3 is being measured but we must have some planning and hope to get out. I dont disagree about some of the reasons you suggest, but with the VAX and spring on the way I think pushing beyond Easter is too far, and means another whole term lost.
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04/02/2021 16:44:37 287 58
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Well done starmer, state the obvious, it will really impress the electorate....
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04/02/2021 16:52:19 100 240
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Pity Bozo never listens, isn't it?!
04/02/2021 19:31:22 3 5
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It will impress the morons who support him.
04/02/2021 20:50:10 0 0
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Water is wet, in other news.
04/02/2021 22:08:39 0 0
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Bozo applies lockdowns too late and lifts them too soon, as a result there have been a lot of unnecessary deaths, just because it is obvious that the lockdown shouldn't be lifted too soon that will not deter Bozo.
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04/02/2021 16:44:42 9 21
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He'll lift them too soon. Doris is the dog that is wagged by the extreme right wing tail of his party.
I wonder how his international travellers isolation ideas are coming along? Anyone heard anything?
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04/02/2021 16:51:48 0 2
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And they are already in full swamp mode on here!
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04/02/2021 16:57:36 0 3
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The hotels certainly haven't - should they expect to be involved? Latest lie or has he managed a few more since?
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04/02/2021 16:44:48 570 208
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It is very easy for the opposition leader to sound off as he has no responsibility. I feel sorry for Boris as he is assailed on all sides by people giving advice, including the has-been Tony Blair, but whatever he does someone will whinge that it is wrong.
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04/02/2021 16:48:34 173 443
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"...someone will whinge that it is wrong"

Because it IS wrong, maybe?
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04/02/2021 16:49:08 49 55
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Don't waste your sympathy on liar Johnson and his band of incompetents.
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04/02/2021 16:51:13 34 47
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Pity he didn't take the advice the leaders of, Japan, Vietnam, South Korea, NZ and Australia did, isn't it?!
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04/02/2021 17:00:14 48 20
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You do realise he is leader of her majesties opposition...

It is his job to point out when he thinks the government are doing it wrong!
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04/02/2021 17:04:27 23 11
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Bit ironic to talk about "has been" Tony Blair when, whilst I may dislike him, the gov are following LITERALLY to the letter what his vaccine rollout recommendation was...
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04/02/2021 17:05:01 25 10
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Well he wanted the job, just a shame he thought it was about champagne, coke and girls.
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Jay
04/02/2021 17:13:14 29 22
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I would feel sorry but then all the while he's being assailed, he's empowering an entire cabinet of charlatans to emblezzle and defraud the country.

From PPI contracts to Patel's patent-pending bullying - there's no excuse for this. Johnson is a man of weak character and judgement. Why defend him to the grave?
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04/02/2021 17:20:03 20 21
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He never takes the advice he's given. Right now the best advice he can take is to resign...
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04/02/2021 17:21:18 12 2
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The nature of opposition is to hold government to account. It is good for the executive to have someone in the background saying "are you sure? What about this? You should think twice before doing that". Having an extra viewpoint on such massive and important decisions is a good thing.
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04/02/2021 17:21:29 7 19
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Yor're correct, though it goes further. Sir Kneel Starmer only questions why government hasn't carried out actions they are already doing 'faster' or 'harder' etc. Never has this idiot questioned the Government/BBC nonesense narrative that 'Covid is dangerous to everyone', or challenged lockdown on its lacking any evidence that they work. He is a hapless goon that took over from a 4th form commie.
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04/02/2021 17:27:58 3 2
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Tony who?
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04/02/2021 17:37:01 4 9
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That's because it IS wrong. Bozo is only concerned with Bozo, not the people of this country.
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04/02/2021 17:38:35 4 4
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No one made him "volunteer".
In fact the majority of the electorate at the GE would rather he hadn't.
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04/02/2021 17:57:36 4 6
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I feel sorry for Boris as well. So very sorry for Boris indeed.

He is having to work for the first time in his life and for half the money he got scribbling teenage nonsense in the Torygraph.
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04/02/2021 18:25:24 2 6
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109k dead. 20k directly as a result of him refusing to lockdown. Blood on his hands
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04/02/2021 18:26:26 2 2
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You feel sorry for a tory, are you of such low intelligence you think they give a stuff about you?
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04/02/2021 18:27:41 2 1
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'I feel sorry for Boris'. Boohoo Bojo. PM? That is the job like it or lump it. The whole point of opposition is to pick the lumps out of the government sound-bites. And that is all we're getting so far: sound-bites...
04/02/2021 18:59:49 1 2
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You feel sorry for Boris?

Failure to attend 5 Cobra meetings last February when we should have prepared.

Failure to give adequate PPE supplies to care homes.

£16 billion spent on PPE, most of it to Tory donors without any proper procurement.

110,000 dead, compared to 5,000 dead in Japan with twice the population.

Yes, I feel very sorry for him.
04/02/2021 19:19:35 1 1
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U feel sorry for a man who’s incompetence has caused the needless deaths of thousands? A man who ignored 5 cobra meetings about the virus, refused to shut the borders and actually laughed about shaking hands with covid infected people. I despair at the stupidity of the public.
04/02/2021 19:24:57 0 1
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It doesn't matter what people say, around him.
He is the current leader of this country.
And, as such, he should be making the best decisions for the people of this country.
Unfortunately, he does not seem to see things that way.
04/02/2021 19:31:14 0 1
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Well it was Tony Blair’s idea to not give the 2nd dose of the vaccine immediately, soBoris is listening
04/02/2021 19:46:55 1 1
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Fell sorry, feel sorry. Unbelievable comment. The pandemic is not the government’s fault but the subsequent handling is. He has presided over a catastrophe - late to lockdown, ignores SAGE advice, late to implement compulsory mask wearing and late to secure our boarders. Over 100,000 dead based on his indecision and stalling.
04/02/2021 20:03:15 0 1
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"It is very easy for the opposition leader to sound off as he has no responsibility."

The government is accountable. Boris will have to manage whatever advice he's given - it's his job.
04/02/2021 20:18:45 1 1
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Well I don't have any sympathy for the lazy bugger who never combs his hair and I didn't vote Labour at the last General election.
Doris is and always has been a total idiot. Followed by the worst of the worst. Keep touching your forelock and you still won't get any scraps. Removed
04/02/2021 22:02:07 0 0
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Bozo has allowed a lot of people to die with his dithering, somewhat more important than what an Ex Prime Minister is saying.
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04/02/2021 16:44:55 121 23
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I have to agree, constantly coming in and out of lockdowns before they have chance to have the full effect seem much more dispruptive to the economy (and lives saved). With the rate of vaccination this one could be the last if held long enough. Come out too soon and you might get another wave before the full effects of a vaccinated population are realised.
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04/02/2021 16:49:34 64 8
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Ah, a sensible comment!
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04/02/2021 16:55:52 9 5
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Stop it - you're being far too rational while the Brexiteers are busy throwing their handful of pointless insults at the leader of her majesty's opposition.
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04/02/2021 17:50:55 3 6
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Unless we attain herd immunity (via vaccination and people recovering from the virus) we will never be free of some form of social distancing etc.

The current lockdown will only be relaxed/lifted once we are at a safe juncture. If Hindsight Starmer could tell us when that will be his utterances might be given more credence.
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04/02/2021 16:42:04 262 72
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gosh yet another stage managed advert for the BBC's Hero!
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Gosh yet another Tory Bot having a go at the BBC for reporting the news!! Removed
Simply because most people disagree with your narrow, left-wing whinging, it doesn't make them all "Tory Bots". You, however, appear to be a "Liebour Bot". Your comments are truly pathetic and completely irrelevant. Much like your hero, Capt. Hindsight. Removed
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04/02/2021 17:25:12 12 12
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News!? Most of the BBC is news but a huge amount masquerading as news is just personal political comment!
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04/02/2021 17:25:45 7 5
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'News'....BBC style....
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04/02/2021 17:35:30 14 12
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"the BBC reporting the news".
Don't you mean the BBC reporting their opinions and spreading unfounded alarmism on a daily basis for over a year?
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04/02/2021 18:16:03 11 1
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Why are you obsessed by 'Tory bots'? ( whatever they are)

I think what you mean to say is " people who disgree with me"
04/02/2021 19:35:24 5 3
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The BBC doesn't report the news.
It reports the news that it wants to report.
And adds a biassed analysis to it.
Shut up Starmer. Removed
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04/02/2021 16:49:05 9 15
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Take a leaf out of your own book!
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04/02/2021 16:52:02 2 2
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Another Tory-voting (Brexiteer?) with a fine line in well constructed and persuasive argument! Maybe I was wrong all along thinking Johnson wasn't the finest this country could offer?
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04/02/2021 17:12:39 0 2
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Another Tory goat-chaser who doesn't understand the job of the leader of Her Majesties Opposition...

Hint. it isn't to toady up to the PM!
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gosh yet another stage managed advert for the BBC's Hero!
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04/02/2021 16:45:14 12 6
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Lol !!!
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04/02/2021 16:45:22 27 25
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I don’t really see what the infection rate has to do with things once a decent vaccination roll out is under way.

People need be allowed to get back to their lives.

And children back to school.
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04/02/2021 16:48:43 14 14
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Say what?! Sigh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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04/02/2021 16:49:26 13 4
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It is only irrelevant once the vaccination rollout is near completion..... otherwise we will simply get yet another wave of infection and hospital cases. We need something over 70% to be vaccinated before the pandemic is snuffed out. Till then some level of constraint, gently reducing as more get the vaccine
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04/02/2021 16:53:05 9 4
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Indeed, you don't really see. How wonderful it must be to see the world in such simplistic terms.
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04/02/2021 16:59:48 6 2
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how is the infection rate not extremely relevant? once a decent vaccination roll out is completed that will be reflected in the infection rate (if it is effective). If the vaccination rolls out and 30000 people are infected and 1000 people are still dying a day then what would you say?
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04/02/2021 17:22:21 3 1
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Depends how you define decent. Guaranteed to work no one will promise that. Number, speed of rollout will need to improve. I want to see children back at school and all others to get back to a more normal way of living. Patience, planning and sensible behaviour are the keys.
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04/02/2021 16:42:32 255 24
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Exactly what BoJo said countless times this week when asked when restrictions can be lifted.
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After yesterday i'm surprised Starmer even reared his head. he really showed Labour up yesterday. He was meant to be hot on the heels of facts! being a ex lawyer!
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04/02/2021 16:56:42 9 23
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Funny that it's the media saying it was Bozo who misled Parliament, isn't it?!
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04/02/2021 18:30:50 1 10
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And you would prefer the current horrific government I suppose, dear me the british public is totally brainwashed if it think that the mega rich gives a stuff about you, you have absolutely nothing in common with these people unless you are a billionaire.
04/02/2021 19:30:52 0 3
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Yes, "ex" lawyer.
04/02/2021 20:25:57 2 1
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X-failed CPS lawyer
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04/02/2021 16:45:28 30 20
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Captain Obvious ! Trying to steal the headlines again abetted by the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation
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04/02/2021 16:48:10 17 29
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Spot the Tory Bot Propaganda Machine!
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04/02/2021 16:56:44 4 3
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Have you ever invented any attempted insults yourself or do really only recycle the tired old ones?
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04/02/2021 16:44:15 26 11
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2 party system, both for lockdown, are their any liberal minded parties about?

The laughably named LIberal Democrats are neither, I call them the Authoritiarian Anti Democrats.

We've seen anti establishment sentiment all over the world because of things like this, we have to be next.
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04/02/2021 17:53:33 9 3
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No, there are no parties around in favour of killing the population. All parties can see the situation in the health service.

Only whack job anti vaxx conspiracy theorists
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04/02/2021 16:46:25 47 19
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Wow! Keir Smarmy is coming out with some truly inspired advice. This guy is an absolute genius!
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04/02/2021 17:20:15 14 36
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"This guy is an absolute genius!"

Anyone would appear to be a genius when compared to dithering Doris Johnson.
After showing himself up yesterday Starmer should keep his head down

what a plonker
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04/02/2021 16:46:29 137 309
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According to the media reports it was Bozo who messed up, not Starmer, but that doesn't fit the Tory Bot Propaganda Machine narrative, does it?!
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04/02/2021 17:00:44 56 6
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Media reports I read say Starmer admitted he was wrong.
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04/02/2021 17:05:54 39 9
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What media was that - Momentum Weekly?
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04/02/2021 17:23:05 36 2
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Does that include the video clip where Starmer admitted he was wrong?
Suggest you get you nose out of Starmer's rear and read the news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55924153 Removed
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04/02/2021 17:37:58 20 6
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And you know the Media are out to blame government and bring Boris down, what they don't ever say whatever the Government bring in, it's up to the PEOPLE to follow guidelines, the virus is community spread, we may all be stopping in but some go to other peoples houses etc when they shouldn't. Blame them not the Government.
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04/02/2021 17:50:10 8 2
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Kier Starmer was the one in the wrong and admitted it. So not sure which media reports you’ve been looking at.
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04/02/2021 17:52:58 6 5
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Wrong,starmer was forced to apologise for his loss of memory,otherwise known as a lie!
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04/02/2021 17:53:17 9 4
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Before commenting on HYS it would help if people looked at the facts first & not just stupid media reports. Best way if commenting on PMQs is to watch it. Yesterday Starmer showed himself up & actually apologised later. Initially he told lies but then had to cover them up with silly excuses. Worse still he lost his temper both inside the Commons & outside. He is losing the plot!
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04/02/2021 18:28:05 1 6
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Correct, everything the tories have done is a mess, as are they.
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04/02/2021 18:31:28 4 1
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Starmer admitted it! What on Earth is going on in your head!
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04/02/2021 19:29:40 0 1
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I can see with my own eyes what a numpty he is.
Guarantee, guarantee, as soon as the lockdown is eased, Plonker Starmer will call for a fourth lockdown! Removed
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04/02/2021 17:46:38 18 42
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Yeah cos Boris will reopen too early (like he did the other times) and we'll probably need a 4th lockdown due to him messing it up again!
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04/02/2021 18:36:45 0 2
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But Boris will be happy if you all go out and infect each other, will you never learn?
04/02/2021 19:45:54 1 1
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He needs something to keep him in a job.
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04/02/2021 16:46:39 152 31
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What's the betting he'll claim he never said this once lockdown has ended???
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Misheard it
04/02/2021 19:41:40 2 1
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Hansard won't.
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04/02/2021 16:46:47 338 79
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"Lockdown restrictions should not be lifted too early", Sir Keir Starmer has said

This from the guy who recently called for the government to release their plans to end the lockdown!

Cap'n Hindsight at it again.
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04/02/2021 16:52:26 145 125
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There's no contradiction here. He wants a plan in place, but he doesn't want it to happen too soon. Makes perfect sense.

It's like wanting to have your wedding planned properly, but not wanting it to take place in two days' time.
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04/02/2021 17:28:26 5 6
bbc
Starmer says “Lockdown restrictions should not be lifted too early” but he also wants “to ensure the current lockdown is the last lockdown”.

So is he in favour of lockdowns or not?
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04/02/2021 17:47:09 7 2
bbc
That's some sage advice right up there with "don't put jam in a toaster".
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04/02/2021 18:23:38 8 7
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The same 'Captain Hindsight' that has been ahead of the game - borders, demanding lockdown, furlough..... Still, Captain Chaos will no doubt ignore again, and do exactly as KS advised in a couple of weeks
JSS
04/02/2021 18:44:06 8 6
bbc
Fail to plan, plan to fail. Over 100k dead and rising.
04/02/2021 18:48:36 5 4
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stating what the "plans " are for ending lockdown is not unreasonable.
Our government have opened up early twice and we are seeing the result, Tory back benchers want the kids back so their parents can get back to work, and open the economy fully, Boris has to stand firm, and wait until infections rates are 0, or face the virus raising its head again or everyone protected by vaccine
04/02/2021 19:08:12 4 3
bbc
It's fine for him to say "not too early". What he needs to also say AT THE SAME TIME is what "too early" specifically means.
04/02/2021 19:21:39 0 2
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He is opposing a right wing, share owning MP who puts cash before people; not giving a timeline. His opposition is against the MP'e recklessness, not having a plan
04/02/2021 19:32:56 2 1
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Captain "States the obvious"
04/02/2021 20:13:34 0 2
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Captain Hindsight is our PM. Starmer is the opposition - do keep up.
04/02/2021 22:03:52 0 0
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Not mutually exclusive, he can say, don't lift them too early and still ask what they are actually planning to do.
05/02/2021 03:11:45 0 0
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Get used to it, he's a lawyer so well versed in presenting an argument that seems rational, but in reality is anything but logical and practical.
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04/02/2021 16:46:59 490 71
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In my experience, opening the schools too soon has been a big mistake. Not because of the children, but the parents. Near me the parents have stood in close groups round the school gates, no distancing, no masks etc.. as if there was no pandemic. Our children need educating, but so do their parents.
You are paranoid, my friend. SD and masks will make no difference now (even if they ever did). Removed
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04/02/2021 16:53:03 50 8
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I so agree, used to pick my grandson up from school a couple of times a week and the social distancing was non-existent along with me probably the only person with a mask on in the playground. Not sure they understood the information they had been given.
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04/02/2021 16:53:43 38 3
bbc
Please excuse them - they're, umm, ahh, ...thick!
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04/02/2021 16:58:22 4 33
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How much experience of this have you got then? Clearly more than everyone else!
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04/02/2021 17:08:37 42 4
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The parents are the problem. Exactly as you describe. Head teacher at the school my daughter teaches at got tough and now parents know what they can and can't do. Ultimate deterrent to withdraw availability of place in school. Amazing how parents will behave if given strict rules and guidelines that are enforced.
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04/02/2021 17:14:59 8 2
bbc
Yep - they're thick as...
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04/02/2021 17:21:54 3 3
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So kids don’t get an education because of the parents . That issue can’t be to difficult to sort out I’m sure
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04/02/2021 17:31:30 7 23
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Utter rubbish. Transmission is practically zero in the outdoors, particularly when people are only chatting for a few minutes. masks are not needed inside, never mind outside.
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sap
04/02/2021 17:34:05 5 3
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Maybe when schools open its compulsory for parents to wear masks, although who would police it?
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04/02/2021 18:05:21 7 1
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It's the same at a school near my mum in Swansea. Only an odd few parents / grand parents picking up children followed any precautions at all for months. My mum regularly asked why she should wear a mask when noone else did! Luckily my mum had more sense than those idiots and listened to the advice. And people wondered why Swansea had the largest increase in cases, leading to another lockdown!
974
04/02/2021 18:36:45 2 1
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So what you are saying is that schools being open encourages the parents to meet up.
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04/02/2021 18:36:58 0 1
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Provide the link to your scientific study that shows the effects that parents behaving in your arbitrary observation criteria have had.
04/02/2021 18:45:55 2 1
bbc
Couldn't agree more - if they're going to open things up slowly and carefully, then why not start with a few toiletry shops, clothes shops etc, that will ease congestion in the supermarkets, rather than opening up schools, which are the one area where transmission could rocket again?
04/02/2021 18:55:08 0 3
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mind your own business
04/02/2021 19:08:57 0 1
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Proof that they are as thick as two planks.
04/02/2021 19:31:31 1 1
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Yes, and parents outside schools are not the only ones clueless about what 2 metres looks like. Most pavements are only a metre or so wide and yet still youngsters pass close by and don't get in single file. Nor do arm in arm couples. We constantly hear how most people are following the rules. Sorry, the govt should be saying that many people are NOT. Just leave a big space!!!
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04/02/2021 16:47:17 245 50
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Is this the same Starmer that warned the government against going into the first lockdown too soon as it would harm the economy, and the same one who advocated following Wales into a disastrous firebreak?
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04/02/2021 17:07:01 85 88
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Wales' firebreak wasn't disastrous. They brought their numbers down very successfully. What messed it up was...guess what?...opening up too much too soon
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04/02/2021 17:14:32 8 9
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Nope, that was the voice in your head. Treatments are available.
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04/02/2021 17:32:22 13 8
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The same party that said we should join the EU's disasterous vaccine aquisition programme. The money saved by the EU by not signing contracts early (well done Kate Bingham) will be more than offset by the EU economy opening up later than ours. The EU apparathniks will of course continue to get their large salaries sand pensions whatever.
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04/02/2021 17:44:11 4 11
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Er....no because he didn't.
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04/02/2021 18:07:45 7 11
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No 'walrus', that is false. The firebreak / circuit breaker was shown to be the correct course of action as advised by the experts. You know, those that the gov follow when it suits?
04/02/2021 19:36:06 3 1
bbc
It is because Captain Pugwash makes it up as he goes along.
04/02/2021 23:34:38 1 0
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So Wales had a "disastrous firebreak" and is opening schools on the 22nd Feb. This is clearly wrong and incompetent (to your anti-Labour mind).

If England had the same death rate as Wales it would have 86k deaths not the 96k it actually has.

Wales (like Scotland and NI) has outperformed England maybe if BoJo had formed a Unity Govt, we would all have done better?
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04/02/2021 16:44:42 9 21
bbc
He'll lift them too soon. Doris is the dog that is wagged by the extreme right wing tail of his party.
I wonder how his international travellers isolation ideas are coming along? Anyone heard anything?
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04/02/2021 16:42:47 11 25
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Would you expect anything else from Starmer?
He's more control freak than Boris. End the lockdown now, enough of this nonsense.
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04/02/2021 16:47:25 3 5
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Yes, please stop with your nonsensical comments.
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04/02/2021 16:52:14 0 4
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You can stay home all your life if you wish, if you're scared of the sniffles.
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04/02/2021 16:58:52 0 1
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You don't understand irony, do you?
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04/02/2021 16:41:03 25 23
bbc
This will not go down too well, but he is right.
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04/02/2021 16:47:30 2 2
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Can govt at least admit there is a seasonality aspect to the high death rates currently? Whitty himself alluded to it by saying restrictions may come back next winter, so suggesting seasonality and therefore infections will naturally drop away over late spring and summer. It's never mentioned in any press releases etc.
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04/02/2021 16:47:32 15 22
bbc
He talks a lot of sense - which won't get him far in this country.
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04/02/2021 16:50:08 12 5
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No he doesn't. He just jumps off the fence onto the next bandwagon that happens to be passing.
The guy is a joke.
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04/02/2021 16:51:56 1 1
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You are joking, arn’t you ?
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04/02/2021 16:47:41 115 39
bbc
Anything he says is irrelevant.
Why do these stories keep appearing on the BBC?
To wind up all the anti-Labour right wing nut jobs of course.... why else? Removed
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04/02/2021 17:01:08 10 6
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wait do you not want the BBC to report what the opposition says? seems a bit totalitarian...
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04/02/2021 18:07:31 5 7
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He is leader of Her Majesty's Opposition. I think you'll find he is relevant, even if you don't like it.
04/02/2021 19:47:12 4 2
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Because the BBC , too, is irrelevant.
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04/02/2021 16:47:45 6 2
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Are we sure he's answering the right question?
Nobody as "frensic" as Suck Here.
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04/02/2021 16:48:03 14 7
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Brian 16:44
Another headline grabbing statement from Captain Irrelevant.

Exactly.
Lockdown restrictions should not be lifted too early, Sir Keir Starmer has said ... how much more worthy this would be if he was to specify an actual date before which restrictions should not be lifted.
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04/02/2021 16:50:57 4 3
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So he could just say next Saturday ...
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04/02/2021 16:45:28 30 20
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Captain Obvious ! Trying to steal the headlines again abetted by the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation
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04/02/2021 16:48:10 17 29
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Spot the Tory Bot Propaganda Machine!
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04/02/2021 16:53:23 7 4
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Spot the sad left-wing loner.
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04/02/2021 16:59:02 3 5
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Captain > is clearly the new line of attack for the tory bots based on HYS.
Removed
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04/02/2021 18:08:49 1 1
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Spot the Momentum Labour activist with his incessant & almost inevitably unwarranted attacks on anyone who holds a different political viewpoint to his.

Go on; tell us exactly what Starmer has achieved from his past 48 hours worth of erroneous statements & hindsight driven agreement with the government's position...
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04/02/2021 16:44:06 438 127
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Another headline grabbing statement from Captain Irrelevant.
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04/02/2021 16:48:23 127 24
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Can the govt and SAGE at least admit there is a seasonality aspect to the high death rates currently? Whitty himself alluded to it by saying restrictions may come back next winter, so suggesting seasonality and therefore infections will naturally drop away over late spring and summer. It's never mentioned in any press releases etc.
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04/02/2021 17:00:29 3 8
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No, because we plain don't know if it's true.
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04/02/2021 17:05:10 6 6
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South Africa - peak in their summer...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-africa/

But I'm sure I've pointed that out to you before, and you've chosen to ignore it.
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04/02/2021 17:05:12 4 4
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Virtually no flu this winter, just as in Australia for their winter.
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04/02/2021 17:23:27 2 4
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Seasonality? Last year the pandemic was accelerating in March, April, and May, and peaked in June. If infections had started falling away in early February, it would never have got going in the first place.
Do you think it depends on the year as well as the month?
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04/02/2021 17:29:51 1 2
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It's never mentioned on the BBC either - a BBC that's now completed its metomorphosis into a tabloid. This is a seasonal virus as are all respiratory illnesses. It is now be endemic. it will mutate just like flu. They didn't lockdown to save lives - they merely delay deaths - but because NHS lacks bed capacity. They have about the lowest in Europe, despite the eye watering funding they recieve.
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04/02/2021 18:01:21 1 1
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This will be the last lockdown believe me
04/02/2021 19:26:42 0 1
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We know all that already.
Why don't people listen, and act, accordingly?
04/02/2021 20:07:23 0 1
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A seasonality around flu and pneumonia, well who would believe that?
04/02/2021 20:46:27 1 0
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For some reason the clever guys at SAGE have ignored seasonality even though it was obvious with some basic global stats it was a big factor on transmission from the offset. They then seemed surprised when winter hit and the UK wasn't prepared. I have no clue why they play down this factor.
05/02/2021 01:36:33 0 0
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Open schools in the summer?
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04/02/2021 16:44:48 570 208
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It is very easy for the opposition leader to sound off as he has no responsibility. I feel sorry for Boris as he is assailed on all sides by people giving advice, including the has-been Tony Blair, but whatever he does someone will whinge that it is wrong.
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04/02/2021 16:48:34 173 443
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"...someone will whinge that it is wrong"

Because it IS wrong, maybe?
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04/02/2021 17:23:43 1 7
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Or maybe it's because YOU think it's wrong. Back to reality ...
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04/02/2021 17:24:29 8 5
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In some cases maybe he’s wrong, but clearly not always. When we’re in lockdown some people will complain about it. When we’re not in lockdown some people will claim measures have been eased to early.

Taken as a whole, if Boris truly was always wrong, does that really mean the best time to ease restrictions is when cases are high and then we should lockdown when cases are low?
No that’s bananas.
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04/02/2021 17:29:27 11 4
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gannet43 This is a time when being the Leader of the Opposition is an absolute piece of p**s, and he's still not making a good job of it.
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04/02/2021 17:31:02 4 3
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The problem is that you have just as many saying something should be done and just as many taking the opposite view, they cannot all be right
04/02/2021 19:25:31 0 2
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He is ALWAYS wrong.
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04/02/2021 16:45:22 27 25
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I don’t really see what the infection rate has to do with things once a decent vaccination roll out is under way.

People need be allowed to get back to their lives.

And children back to school.
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04/02/2021 16:48:43 14 14
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Say what?! Sigh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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JGC
04/02/2021 16:48:43 48 23
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Perhaps he should make the new Labour party slogan Save Lives. Stop Living?
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04/02/2021 16:51:36 21 6
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"For the Few (that are left), not the Many"?
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04/02/2021 16:51:37 3 5
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Or "I'll keep quiet now and not make myself look so stupid".
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04/02/2021 16:42:04 262 72
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gosh yet another stage managed advert for the BBC's Hero!
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04/02/2021 16:48:51 10 5
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Yep but judging by these comments its not going too well, they'll probably shut this HYS down early
Shut up Starmer. Removed
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04/02/2021 16:49:05 9 15
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Take a leaf out of your own book!
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04/02/2021 16:44:48 570 208
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It is very easy for the opposition leader to sound off as he has no responsibility. I feel sorry for Boris as he is assailed on all sides by people giving advice, including the has-been Tony Blair, but whatever he does someone will whinge that it is wrong.
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04/02/2021 16:49:08 49 55
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Don't waste your sympathy on liar Johnson and his band of incompetents.
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04/02/2021 16:49:11 184 41
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"Don't ease lockdown restrictions too soon"
Starmer's most pointless stating-the-bleedin'-obvious comment to date.
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04/02/2021 17:45:27 55 86
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Yeah, it is stating the obvious.

But considering Brood ended lockdown 2 at the beginning of December, when we were still having 400 deaths a day. Only for us to end up in lockdown 3, four weeks later.

Sometimes the obvious does need to be stated, when you've got a clown in charge!!!
04/02/2021 19:40:05 4 3
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Starmer, aka Captain Pugwash, is a waste of space.
04/02/2021 21:07:45 1 1
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But it's not that "bleedin-obvious" to most of the Tory party is it?
04/02/2021 22:11:54 0 0
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The fact that it is bleedin'-obvious won't deter bozo if he thinks it will make him more popular, perhaps he has finally twigged that it is the elderly who are most likely to vote for him and they want to continue living.
05/02/2021 01:39:00 0 0
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But with Boris Johnson's track record the obvious has to stated
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04/02/2021 16:49:21 19 17
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Lockdown is going to end up killing more peole than Covid, what with job losses & business closures leading to lower incomes, poverty and its concommitant deterioration in health.
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04/02/2021 16:51:43 5 4
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don't forget the increase in suicides as well
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04/02/2021 16:51:46 1 2
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That pre-supposes you can have a massive level of sickness & death without it doing as much economic harm.... which you can't of course.....
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04/02/2021 16:54:43 2 2
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Outright false.

It's been known for well over a year that not locking down causes far more social and economic damage, not to mention far more deaths and illness, than the measures necessary to control the virus.
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04/02/2021 17:13:18 0 2
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Yeah, so why is the UK the only country doing it?
854
04/02/2021 18:22:13 0 1
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More unsubstantiated & ridiculous claims.
If we hadn't had three, not overly severe lockdowns, the initial estimate of 500,000 deaths would probably have been surpassed weeks, if not months ago, with far more mutations making the possibility of vaccines being compromised all the more likely.
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04/02/2021 16:45:22 27 25
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I don’t really see what the infection rate has to do with things once a decent vaccination roll out is under way.

People need be allowed to get back to their lives.

And children back to school.
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04/02/2021 16:49:26 13 4
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It is only irrelevant once the vaccination rollout is near completion..... otherwise we will simply get yet another wave of infection and hospital cases. We need something over 70% to be vaccinated before the pandemic is snuffed out. Till then some level of constraint, gently reducing as more get the vaccine
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04/02/2021 17:04:54 5 6
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Jack - the argument that easing restrictions after vulnerable groups are vaccinated would lead to rising hospitalisations is wrong.
The vulnerable groups make up the majority of hospital admissions and under 50s without serious conditions have a low enough rate of hospital admission that even if rates surged in those groups (unlikely as the vaccine reduces transmission) hospitals wouldn’t fill up.
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04/02/2021 17:05:55 8 2
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Remembering that it can take up to 3 weeks after the jab to be protected.
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04/02/2021 17:33:00 3 4
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There is an argument that once we have the oldest 50% vaccinated, then the risk to the remaining is low and higher infections can be tolerated.
That the economic and social cost of lockdown isn't justified once it's a relatively mild illness for the vast majority
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04/02/2021 16:44:55 121 23
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I have to agree, constantly coming in and out of lockdowns before they have chance to have the full effect seem much more dispruptive to the economy (and lives saved). With the rate of vaccination this one could be the last if held long enough. Come out too soon and you might get another wave before the full effects of a vaccinated population are realised.
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04/02/2021 16:49:34 64 8
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Ah, a sensible comment!
04/02/2021 19:45:23 0 3
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No, not sensible. Thick.
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Dom
04/02/2021 16:49:48 8 5
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What an absolute weapon Starmer is.
04/02/2021 18:56:34 0 1
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funny I was thinking tool :D
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04/02/2021 16:49:52 12 8
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Seeing that the majority here is criticising Starmer, I presume you think it's OK to lift the lockdown sooner rather than later?
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JGC
04/02/2021 16:51:08 6 14
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Yes
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04/02/2021 16:56:53 3 2
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Immediately.
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04/02/2021 18:26:42 0 1
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No. You can presume we think Starmer is an idiot, a master of Hindsight & a particularly unpleasant, political opportunist.
We almost unanimously think the government's statement regarding not lifting restrictions too soon is correct.

Perhaps Starmer is only repeating the message as he know his supporters tend to do the opposite of what the government says, no matter if it harms them or others...
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04/02/2021 16:47:32 15 22
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He talks a lot of sense - which won't get him far in this country.
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04/02/2021 16:50:08 12 5
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No he doesn't. He just jumps off the fence onto the next bandwagon that happens to be passing.
The guy is a joke.
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Pip
04/02/2021 17:03:52 0 2
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There's no bigger bandwagon jumper than BoJo, he'll get one right one day...........?
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Alf
04/02/2021 16:50:11 8 8
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Labour directly benefit from the economy tanking and people's lives being ruined as it makes their competition look bad. Of course they want to keep us locked up forever.
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04/02/2021 16:50:15 8 5
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The ONLY party that reflects the public are the Tories

Half want the lock down, half want less lock down

however all the other major parties want stronger lock downs.. only 1 party represent the true views of the country
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04/02/2021 16:54:08 5 1
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Funny how, the more to the Left a Party is, the more it wants authoritarianism (ie more and more lockdown).
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04/02/2021 16:56:21 0 1
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so 0% are for stronger, 50/50 for lock down/less lock down - no wonder it's difficult to give guidance...
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04/02/2021 16:57:29 1 1
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Boris will wipe the floor with silent Starmer at the next General Election
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04/02/2021 17:12:26 0 2
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In your opinion.
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04/02/2021 16:50:18 7 13
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Children should go back to school by mid March at the latest, and ALL restrictions should end on 31 March come what may. It is clear by now that mass immunity (hopefully) aided by the vaccination programme is the limit of what we can do to fight the virus, and we must learn to live with the consequences at the same time as exploring new treatments. We need to call an end to this nonsense asap.
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04/02/2021 16:56:59 4 2
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Not sure who's downvoting here, but you are obviously very terrified people who need to lock themselves away from the nasty virus. TBH, I'd rather be dead than continue to 'live' like this.
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04/02/2021 16:56:03 1 2
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Open up now, not another minute of this repressive lockdown nonsense.
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04/02/2021 17:12:04 0 1
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So, why aren't you in government - or at least advising? Can you be more specific about a date in "mid March". AM or PM suit you better? Who is it "clear" to, or just yourself? I'm not keen on "living with the consequences" of 1200 deaths a day - are you?
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04/02/2021 16:50:21 6 11
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Winston Churchill warned in the run-up to the 1945 election that, in order to have grand socialist projects in place, the government would have to use gestapo-style tactics to control the public. No-one believed him.

Now look at what's being done in order to protect the NHS ...
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04/02/2021 16:56:54 0 1
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Well no Jews have been murdered here so that's nonsense!
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04/02/2021 16:58:35 0 1
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Winston was right look at Venezuela, don't confuse this with the NHS.
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04/02/2021 16:50:23 123 50
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What a joker this Starmer guy is..why don’t you try and sort the mess your own party is in.. your advice isn’t even worth writing on a back of a fag packet
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04/02/2021 16:55:31 95 30
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Yet the BBC lap it up like love sick teenagers!
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04/02/2021 16:55:49 8 3
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Succinct and to the point... the total opposite of Starmers woolly PC Nonsense.

I wonder if someone will buy him a Union Jack egg cup for Christmas.
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Pip
04/02/2021 16:58:08 6 10
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Wouldn't be much room on the 'Fag packet' as its been used so many times by BoJo's d**bos. At least Starmer makes sense, don't open up to early, after all the sacrifices made thus far.......?
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04/02/2021 17:08:46 6 4
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seems to have triggered you and your mates though!
04/02/2021 19:47:50 0 1
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I thought that was where he read it.
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04/02/2021 16:47:41 115 39
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Anything he says is irrelevant.
Why do these stories keep appearing on the BBC?
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To wind up all the anti-Labour right wing nut jobs of course.... why else? Removed
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04/02/2021 18:37:29 0 2
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Correct!
04/02/2021 19:45:07 5 3
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Think you'll find more nut jobs in the Corbyn conglomerate, they're the ones winding up Capt Hindsight, the bloke who failed to prosecute so many criminals as head of the CPS.
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04/02/2021 16:50:34 127 17
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Stick to your dates Boris. Don't understand the pressure to open schools one or two weeks early. Bit of pressure from constituents Mr Harper? Please stop posturing on this. Why?
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04/02/2021 17:07:57 48 119
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I suppose there is always a first time. Boris has made so many u-turns he should be fitted with a warning klaxon!
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04/02/2021 17:08:20 0 6
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Johnson doesn't have 'dates' - not that kind anyway!
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04/02/2021 17:40:16 2 3
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Why would there not be pressure to release a measure which has large collateral damage? Whatever you think of the timeline (vague as it is at the moment) surely you can see why there are people who want it accelerated, particularly with respect to schools
04/02/2021 19:37:19 1 1
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Johnson always has ulterior motives.
Can't you not see?
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04/02/2021 16:50:46 12 15
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This is what happened in December. The idiot Tory Wrecking Group forced the premature opening....and killed many people AND set the economy up. From the people who brought you idiotic ideas and don’t learn.. funny, but not to those they killed or us who will pay with further lockdowns
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04/02/2021 16:44:06 438 127
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Another headline grabbing statement from Captain Irrelevant.
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04/02/2021 16:50:50 14 12
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Would you prefer the Govt had no one to question its decisions?
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04/02/2021 17:01:57 15 4
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No, I'd prefer it was someone who directed criticism where it's deserved, not Captain Soundbite out to score political points.
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04/02/2021 16:48:03 14 7
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Brian 16:44
Another headline grabbing statement from Captain Irrelevant.

Exactly.
Lockdown restrictions should not be lifted too early, Sir Keir Starmer has said ... how much more worthy this would be if he was to specify an actual date before which restrictions should not be lifted.
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04/02/2021 16:50:57 4 3
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So he could just say next Saturday ...
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04/02/2021 16:49:52 12 8
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Seeing that the majority here is criticising Starmer, I presume you think it's OK to lift the lockdown sooner rather than later?
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JGC
04/02/2021 16:51:08 6 14
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Yes
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04/02/2021 16:44:48 570 208
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It is very easy for the opposition leader to sound off as he has no responsibility. I feel sorry for Boris as he is assailed on all sides by people giving advice, including the has-been Tony Blair, but whatever he does someone will whinge that it is wrong.
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04/02/2021 16:51:13 34 47
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Pity he didn't take the advice the leaders of, Japan, Vietnam, South Korea, NZ and Australia did, isn't it?!
Bored of small minded pathetic little people who clearly cannot comprehend how complicated running a country is with all the millions of balls to keep up in the air at once and trying to balance actions in some areas having knock on consequences in other areas etc making comments like this as if it's that easy and all countries, economies, cultures, climates etc are the same Removed
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04/02/2021 17:09:03 24 2
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You could add most of the leaders of European countries who did not take the advice of,Japan,Vietnam,South Korea,NZ and Australia.Europe has done poorly compared to these countries.
04/02/2021 18:53:24 1 1
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Different issues, different cultures, different trading issues, different attitudes of the public, different attitudes of the public to lockdown, different geographical locations. Do you want me to go on. I am fed up with comparisons with those countries. Spain, Italy, France, Germany, Belgium, Holland are better examples
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04/02/2021 16:51:26 117 18
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Tony Harper expressed concern that other factors such as the rate of infection "keep being thrown into the debate" and that the "goal posts" for lifting lockdown rules were changing.

What doesn't he get about the simple equation:
High infection rates = high hospitalizations = high deaths

Vaccine role out will eventually bring all these down. But don't remove restrictions too soon.
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04/02/2021 17:27:30 48 8
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Indeed the rate of deaths is significantly reduced by completing groups 1-4, but the hospitalisations are only controlled by completing groups 5-9
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04/02/2021 17:36:50 8 3
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The key numbers to look at are not infection rates but hospitilisations, every year 100,000's are infected with flu but don't require a hospital trip so we don't care. So what if infection is at 40k a day as long as the people who need a hospital trip are manageable, i.e. it doesn't impact the standard NHS service then we are good.
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04/02/2021 18:35:13 3 4
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Boris was the one who said you could all go out and infect everyone over christmas for one day and then claims ignorance when it eventually happens.
04/02/2021 19:38:04 2 1
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Not as simple as that actually. Enough of the vulnerable groups have been vaccinated now that a resurgence in infections would not lead to a similar resurgence in deaths.
The majority of deaths are in over 80s (although the percentage is now decreasing as the vaccine effect has started to show).
04/02/2021 19:44:00 0 1
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OMG we are being rules by imbeciles.
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04/02/2021 16:44:06 438 127
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Another headline grabbing statement from Captain Irrelevant.
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04/02/2021 16:51:32 11 17
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Captain irrelevant & captain hindsight just ain't hitting the same as Comrade Corbyn. Right wing press and their boot licking bots need to up the game!
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JGC
04/02/2021 16:48:43 48 23
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Perhaps he should make the new Labour party slogan Save Lives. Stop Living?
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04/02/2021 16:51:36 21 6
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"For the Few (that are left), not the Many"?
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JGC
04/02/2021 16:48:43 48 23
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Perhaps he should make the new Labour party slogan Save Lives. Stop Living?
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04/02/2021 16:51:37 3 5
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Or "I'll keep quiet now and not make myself look so stupid".
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04/02/2021 16:49:21 19 17
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Lockdown is going to end up killing more peole than Covid, what with job losses & business closures leading to lower incomes, poverty and its concommitant deterioration in health.
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04/02/2021 16:51:43 5 4
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don't forget the increase in suicides as well
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04/02/2021 16:49:21 19 17
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Lockdown is going to end up killing more peole than Covid, what with job losses & business closures leading to lower incomes, poverty and its concommitant deterioration in health.
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04/02/2021 16:51:46 1 2
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That pre-supposes you can have a massive level of sickness & death without it doing as much economic harm.... which you can't of course.....
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04/02/2021 16:44:42 9 21
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He'll lift them too soon. Doris is the dog that is wagged by the extreme right wing tail of his party.
I wonder how his international travellers isolation ideas are coming along? Anyone heard anything?
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04/02/2021 16:51:48 0 2
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And they are already in full swamp mode on here!
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04/02/2021 16:51:51 5 8
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With the Covid numbers plummeting, and the vulnerable people having had their jabs, we should at least be able to open shops and restaurants again, but maintain social distancing and mask wearing in enclosed spaces.
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04/02/2021 16:53:33 3 5
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Yes, but no more pointless wearing of masks and SD - they don't make any difference.
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04/02/2021 16:56:19 1 1
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Absolutely agree
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04/02/2021 17:07:06 0 2
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Like in unnecessary shops and covid swapping restaurants you mean? Do some people never learn? I though it was just our government who which did the same thing and expected a different outcome!
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04/02/2021 16:46:59 490 71
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In my experience, opening the schools too soon has been a big mistake. Not because of the children, but the parents. Near me the parents have stood in close groups round the school gates, no distancing, no masks etc.. as if there was no pandemic. Our children need educating, but so do their parents.
You are paranoid, my friend. SD and masks will make no difference now (even if they ever did). Removed
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04/02/2021 16:54:22 52 11
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What a stupid response. Of course they make a difference. Have you read the science?
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04/02/2021 17:09:22 44 9
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Of course they make a difference. If it not, then countries where they take these things seriously would have the same death rates as us. Clearly this is not the case, UK - 109,000 dead, South Korea - 1500 dead, and yes, in South Korea they relied heavily on SD and masks, because they had experience of SARS. Wisdom is learning from previous experience, true wisdom is learning from other people.
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04/02/2021 17:13:34 10 5
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I'm glad that Mr Nexus isn't...when I'm socially distancing, with mask at the school gate
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04/02/2021 17:22:33 11 4
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And you are deluded, my friend
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04/02/2021 17:23:01 10 4
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How can someone who knows such a big word like paranoid be so stupid .
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04/02/2021 17:47:56 4 1
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Being an Ostrich doesn't help
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04/02/2021 17:50:46 0 7
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Mr nexus you are 100 per cent right!
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04/02/2021 18:12:48 6 1
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Except they have made a difference & continue to do so.
Check with your local, very busy but not overwhelmed hospital, which would otherwise have soon ceased to be able to cope.

(That's check with the hospital, not some numpties on Twitstagrambook...)
04/02/2021 19:10:13 1 1
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Its not just masks - distance between people makes a big difference, in the air people breathe.
Shut up Starmer. Removed
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04/02/2021 16:52:02 2 2
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Another Tory-voting (Brexiteer?) with a fine line in well constructed and persuasive argument! Maybe I was wrong all along thinking Johnson wasn't the finest this country could offer?
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04/02/2021 16:52:11 42 19
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Starmer is like Swiss Tony from the fast show, all chat no substance!
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04/02/2021 18:30:41 15 6
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And not funny. A pretentious, irritating bore.
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04/02/2021 16:44:37 287 58
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Well done starmer, state the obvious, it will really impress the electorate....
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04/02/2021 16:52:19 100 240
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Pity Bozo never listens, isn't it?!
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04/02/2021 16:56:18 16 6
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listens to what, mr irrelevant has said don't end lockdown, exactly what boris has being saying for 6 weeks. So who is he going to listen to, some muppet who states the obvious or someone who comes up with a plan, now whose come up with a plan, so far only Boris....
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04/02/2021 16:59:24 16 6
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Why listen to hindsight?
You have the most ironic pen name here... Removed
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04/02/2021 18:31:44 2 14
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He dosen't need to listen since some stupid people gave him a majority.
04/02/2021 19:32:14 1 5
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He listens.
But he is thick.
He makes bad judgments.
And bad decisions.
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04/02/2021 16:52:25 22 11
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Has Starmer finally admitted that he and his party have been wrong in all the lockdowns in demanding timescales on when they would end pretty much as soon as they had started?
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04/02/2021 16:46:47 338 79
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"Lockdown restrictions should not be lifted too early", Sir Keir Starmer has said

This from the guy who recently called for the government to release their plans to end the lockdown!

Cap'n Hindsight at it again.
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04/02/2021 16:52:26 145 125
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There's no contradiction here. He wants a plan in place, but he doesn't want it to happen too soon. Makes perfect sense.

It's like wanting to have your wedding planned properly, but not wanting it to take place in two days' time.
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04/02/2021 17:25:12 9 8
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Quite correct. Like so many times over the last year, if there were a proper plan, with the at least the CRITERIA for relaxing (or tightening) restrictions, then there would be some better clarity for education, business, travel, everyone, but not actual times, which depend on the criteria being met.

So, no contradiction.
04/02/2021 19:34:04 2 1
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Listen to everything Starmer has said.
He is Captain Thicko.
He is full of contradictions.
He says what he thinks, on the day.
04/02/2021 20:03:43 0 1
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Good luck booking your venue if you can’t give them a date.
04/02/2021 20:50:52 1 0
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But the most boring man in parliament wants the Government to give dates to these things so that he can score more cheap (and transparent) political points when those dates are not achieved.
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04/02/2021 16:44:06 438 127
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Another headline grabbing statement from Captain Irrelevant.
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04/02/2021 16:52:40 15 8
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Another clueless comment from Captain Emptyhead.
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04/02/2021 16:44:06 438 127
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Another headline grabbing statement from Captain Irrelevant.
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04/02/2021 16:52:48 15 19
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Says an irrelevant Tory Bot!
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04/02/2021 16:46:59 490 71
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In my experience, opening the schools too soon has been a big mistake. Not because of the children, but the parents. Near me the parents have stood in close groups round the school gates, no distancing, no masks etc.. as if there was no pandemic. Our children need educating, but so do their parents.
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04/02/2021 16:53:03 50 8
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I so agree, used to pick my grandson up from school a couple of times a week and the social distancing was non-existent along with me probably the only person with a mask on in the playground. Not sure they understood the information they had been given.
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04/02/2021 18:24:28 1 1
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Everyone wears a mask at mine. Anecdotal complaints mean nothing
04/02/2021 19:11:10 3 1
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Now we can see why they procreate like rabbits.
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04/02/2021 16:45:22 27 25
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I don’t really see what the infection rate has to do with things once a decent vaccination roll out is under way.

People need be allowed to get back to their lives.

And children back to school.
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04/02/2021 16:53:05 9 4
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Indeed, you don't really see. How wonderful it must be to see the world in such simplistic terms.
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04/02/2021 16:48:10 17 29
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Spot the Tory Bot Propaganda Machine!
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04/02/2021 16:53:23 7 4
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Spot the sad left-wing loner.
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04/02/2021 16:51:51 5 8
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With the Covid numbers plummeting, and the vulnerable people having had their jabs, we should at least be able to open shops and restaurants again, but maintain social distancing and mask wearing in enclosed spaces.
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04/02/2021 16:53:33 3 5
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Yes, but no more pointless wearing of masks and SD - they don't make any difference.
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04/02/2021 18:31:34 0 1
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They've made a significant difference.

Stop posting utter nonsense.
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04/02/2021 16:46:59 490 71
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In my experience, opening the schools too soon has been a big mistake. Not because of the children, but the parents. Near me the parents have stood in close groups round the school gates, no distancing, no masks etc.. as if there was no pandemic. Our children need educating, but so do their parents.
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04/02/2021 16:53:43 38 3
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Please excuse them - they're, umm, ahh, ...thick!
04/02/2021 18:47:06 1 1
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And the thick beget the thick.
04/02/2021 19:11:44 1 1
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Exceedingly thick - hence the multiple births.
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04/02/2021 16:53:45 4 2
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Let's see if the BBC will make an article out of this ...
... ' everythinginmoderation ' says that lockdown restrictions should not be lifted until it is wise so to do ..
... I am available 24/7 should a BBC correspondent wish to contact me ...
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04/02/2021 16:43:39 628 128
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he is right, but what he is saying is what the government have been saying since December. They brought in lockdown and said there would be not fixed date for opening things up...and they'd have to just monitor vaccine progress alongside infection/hospital numbers....so they are not rushing at all and have refused to give dates

yet Labour have kept asking for a date etc...contradiction Kier!
Starmer just makes himself look more stupid every day, a lemon replaced by a cabbage. Removed
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JLC
04/02/2021 17:00:48 42 40
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Wow - searingly perceptive comment there. Lemon - cabbage - you really have the political terminology under your fingers.
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04/02/2021 17:07:50 26 23
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That's so the big turnip in charge can understand them!
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04/02/2021 17:20:55 21 22
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And yet he he still looks like a genius next to Boris.
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04/02/2021 17:33:09 4 6
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sorry he is better than that last lefy loony london idiot = agree ?
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You prefer turd ;) Removed
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04/02/2021 18:02:43 0 3
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You seem to have wound up the Cabbage patch Trolls
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04/02/2021 18:22:03 3 5
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What a pointless and insulting remark. The shock of course is the number voting for. Lemmings.
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04/02/2021 18:23:49 4 4
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Shhh. We like dumb socialists, easier to defeat!
As opposed to the cruel incompassionate and evil tories, your stupidity is beyond question. Removed
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04/02/2021 18:30:58 4 4
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Starmer is a crettin.
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04/02/2021 18:39:17 3 6
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Right, so the floppy haired, lazy, disorganised, Old Etonian, out of touch elitist buffoon looks perfectly sensible. Whatever.
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04/02/2021 16:53:55 9 4
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Stating the obvious can also be done by a 4 year old!
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04/02/2021 16:55:44 8 3
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A four year old could also do a better job of leading the Labour Party.
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04/02/2021 17:04:54 3 3
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Nothing is 'obvious' with Johnson in charge.
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04/02/2021 16:50:15 8 5
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The ONLY party that reflects the public are the Tories

Half want the lock down, half want less lock down

however all the other major parties want stronger lock downs.. only 1 party represent the true views of the country
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04/02/2021 16:54:08 5 1
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Funny how, the more to the Left a Party is, the more it wants authoritarianism (ie more and more lockdown).
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04/02/2021 16:44:20 15 23
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The schools should stay closed until after easter. We had lockdown No1. it ended far too soon, then we had lockdown No2. again it ended far too soon. Result? Lockdown 3.
The reasons are that everyone in Uk swamped towns and City centres shopping, eating out and enjoying life, no masks, no distancing, no handwashing, illegal late night raves with over 100 in attendance happened both times. NO MORE!
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You are paranoid, my friend. SD and masks will make no difference now (even if they ever did). Removed
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04/02/2021 16:54:22 52 11
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What a stupid response. Of course they make a difference. Have you read the science?
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04/02/2021 16:58:42 27 21
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Actually the science says the effect of closing primary schools is negligible. Secondary and above are more of a risk, but less of a risk than offices and warehouses/factorys.
No, because there is none. The only definitive proper controlled experiment with masks was conducted by the Danes a few months ago and they found that masks neither prevent infction or transmission. An S10 respirator might - try one of them, idiot. Removed
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04/02/2021 18:18:36 0 2
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Have you?
04/02/2021 19:13:09 0 1
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You don't "read the science".
Your grammar is atrocious.
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04/02/2021 16:43:39 628 128
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he is right, but what he is saying is what the government have been saying since December. They brought in lockdown and said there would be not fixed date for opening things up...and they'd have to just monitor vaccine progress alongside infection/hospital numbers....so they are not rushing at all and have refused to give dates

yet Labour have kept asking for a date etc...contradiction Kier!
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04/02/2021 16:54:27 62 70
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Re: "but what he is saying is what the government have been saying since December". Really? I seem to remember Bojo The Clown accusing Starmer of wanting to "cancel Christmas".
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04/02/2021 17:52:54 8 5
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It would have been ridiculous to impose any restrictions during Christmas, no-one would have obeyed them.
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04/02/2021 18:34:03 3 2
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He just says the first thing that comes into his little head.
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04/02/2021 16:46:39 152 31
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What's the betting he'll claim he never said this once lockdown has ended???
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04/02/2021 16:54:30 85 13
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Misheard it
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04/02/2021 18:21:02 0 8
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Oh lord, you Tories are so desperate!!
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04/02/2021 16:44:20 15 23
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The schools should stay closed until after easter. We had lockdown No1. it ended far too soon, then we had lockdown No2. again it ended far too soon. Result? Lockdown 3.
The reasons are that everyone in Uk swamped towns and City centres shopping, eating out and enjoying life, no masks, no distancing, no handwashing, illegal late night raves with over 100 in attendance happened both times. NO MORE!
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04/02/2021 16:54:33 4 4
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"eating out and enjoying life"

and we wouldn't want that to happen again, would we?
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04/02/2021 16:54:34 1 3
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Disappointed that Starmer wasn’t wearing a red white and blue face mask today. Hiring those consultants seems to have been a waste of money for a nearly bankrupt party.
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04/02/2021 16:56:46 2 1
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And wrapped in a Union Jack.
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04/02/2021 16:49:48 10 8
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This shows just how little Starmer cares about people's jobs, education, and mental health. Lockdown is really hurting millions!

Hospitalisations, by far the most important factor, are falling. With over 10 million of the most vulnerable vaccinated they will continue to do so, and never rise that much again.

We need politicians with integrity and courage, not self-serving craven cowards!
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04/02/2021 17:04:20 1 3
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New infections are falling fairly quickly, hospitalisation very slowly and deaths not really at all so far. Just be patient but there are at least another 50,000 deths to come (ask the scientists). It's all locked in now due to reckless unloking of previous so-called lockdowns and that crazy Christmas decision.
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04/02/2021 17:30:14 0 2
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Yes Starmer cares more about peoples lives than their jobs and maybe if the Govt. had felt the same we would have had thousands upon thousands less deaths.
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04/02/2021 16:51:03 10 6
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Thanks again for stating the obvious Sir Keir, You have been an invaluable asset during this crisis
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04/02/2021 16:58:50 4 8
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Indeed Sir Keir has been an asset he has not trashed the Government but supported good measures and kept Boris on his toes. Lets hope Boris is still listening.
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04/02/2021 16:51:09 14 8
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Starmer. The person who mistook???? BJ s remarks re EMA. Go look up the records. He VOTED to stay in it. This guy is next to useless. Still he s a luvvie and a Sir and in London.
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04/02/2021 17:00:19 2 8
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Errr...a "luvvie" is traditionally an actor. BoJo the Clown lives in London too, and will no doubt become an Sir and a Lord when he leaves.
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04/02/2021 16:51:12 8 11
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Don't expect Doris "the Ditherer" Johnson to make any decisions soon - unless of course they come with a 24 hour U turn.
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04/02/2021 16:49:21 19 17
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Lockdown is going to end up killing more peole than Covid, what with job losses & business closures leading to lower incomes, poverty and its concommitant deterioration in health.
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04/02/2021 16:54:43 2 2
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Outright false.

It's been known for well over a year that not locking down causes far more social and economic damage, not to mention far more deaths and illness, than the measures necessary to control the virus.
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04/02/2021 16:58:08 1 2
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"It's been known..." Really? Who worked that one out? You?