MPs challenge value for money of meal vouchers
05/02/2021 | news | education | 208
The spending watchdog says the school meal voucher contract could have cost taxpayers less than it did.
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Ian
05/02/2021 04:47:28 55 17
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"The Department for Education should have sought better value for money from a private contract for vouchers to replace free school meals in England during the pandemic, MPs have warned."

????Don't forget, as with the failed NHS app and PPE, the Tories are using the pandemic to distribute vast amounts of taxpayer money to their Tory party-funding, top 1% wealthy supporters.??????
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05/02/2021 05:23:07 46 12
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Spot on.

Guide to Tory procurement.

MP “I think your company should bid for this tender”

Tory Chum “What would I have to do?”

MP “Absolutely Nothing we’ll just give £100m”

Tory Chum “Sounds good to me I’m in”
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05/02/2021 06:16:19 5 12
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And you lot think Liebour whould have been any different..... Behave
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05/02/2021 04:53:04 33 15
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Everything comes up short in this country. It's how conservatvies and capitalism work.

You have two choices - either give people a job with a fair wage. Or support them through welfare.

If you won't create jobs, especially one's that pay fair wages, then you have no right to moan about having to have significant welfare.
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05/02/2021 05:08:15 5 4
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That’s one choice
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05/02/2021 05:49:38 4 4
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People need to want to work and not see welfare as a wage
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05/02/2021 06:42:07 10 0
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Indeed.

A high benefits bill should be seen for what it is.

An economic failure by Government to create an economy that provides productive and well paid jobs.

People should realize that spin about benefits being a 'lifestyle choice' is just Regime snake oil to cover for its own economic failings and hold the blighters accountable instead.
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05/02/2021 06:54:48 2 1
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I don't think that wages are the main problem, its more that the lower payed proportionally have to give so much of what they earn back in various taxes, utilities and rents.
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05/02/2021 04:53:04 33 15
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Everything comes up short in this country. It's how conservatvies and capitalism work.

You have two choices - either give people a job with a fair wage. Or support them through welfare.

If you won't create jobs, especially one's that pay fair wages, then you have no right to moan about having to have significant welfare.
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05/02/2021 05:08:15 5 4
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That’s one choice
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05/02/2021 05:16:29 22 22
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Having children is a personal choice and there are many ways to avoid getting pregnant or terminating. If you can’t afford to have them and pay for them yourself it’s hard luck. Stop looking for a handout from taxpayers that make sensible financial decisions.
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05/02/2021 05:27:19 16 7
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In principal I agree with you however you get to that point through education and opportunities.

You are now talking about living children who are starving! I don’t want to be part of a country where any child starves. I wish we did more and I’m happy to pay taxes for it.

If you do there a plenty of options in the world to go to.....
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05/02/2021 06:01:29 9 4
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3 billion goes missing whilst the government hands out contracts to their mates, massive corporations pay no tax and haven’t for decades, Panama papers show massive corruption and this is what you choose to get angry about as a tax payer?Absolutely ridiculous comment especially when you consider that there’s plenty of parents that work but are still struggling to make ends meet.No humanity in you?
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05/02/2021 06:16:55 8 3
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Such a smug holier than thou position to take. Obviously a Tory.
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05/02/2021 07:57:07 1 0
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The more intelligent parents could feed one of their children to the other ones. Thereby reducing the burden on the family and feeding the other mouths too.
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05/02/2021 05:18:40 72 4
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It seems that every time government - and this includes Labour as well - go to the "private sector" they get fleeced.

Seems we need a wholesale purging of those involved in negotiating these contracts and replace them with people who are much, much harder negotiators. And also finally lay bare the lie that "private is best".
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05/02/2021 06:15:18 29 12
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Yes, I am not convinced by these corruption allegations. It's mostly civil servants tasked with procurement and finding these contracts--they're not particularly talented in my experience.
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05/02/2021 06:51:38 2 1
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Nailed it, top class post.
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05/02/2021 10:53:14 1 3
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The private sector don't really have to try hard because the public sector (except the armed forces) have a no can do attitude.
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05/02/2021 11:26:28 1 1
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But that's the nature of the beast?

The private sector is there to make a 'profit'.
Whereas the public sector is there to make 'bureaucracy'.

Either way, the media get a juicy story when one or the other screw up and we all go away thinking that this applies to all 'private' or 'public' sector because we're told it does...

Because that too is the nature of the beast...
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06/02/2021 14:25:32 0 0
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Its not the private sector as such, its the "approved list of vendors" public sector managers are forced to use by central government. If they could shop around like normal people it would help. EU laws on this did not help (and I speak as someone who worked in this field for 15 years and voted remain.
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06/02/2021 17:59:15 2 0
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Better value for money would have been issuing vouchers to use at food banks wherever possible. As not for profit organisations they would have given better value for money in these difficult times.
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Ian
05/02/2021 04:47:28 55 17
bbc
"The Department for Education should have sought better value for money from a private contract for vouchers to replace free school meals in England during the pandemic, MPs have warned."

????Don't forget, as with the failed NHS app and PPE, the Tories are using the pandemic to distribute vast amounts of taxpayer money to their Tory party-funding, top 1% wealthy supporters.??????
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05/02/2021 05:23:07 46 12
bbc
Spot on.

Guide to Tory procurement.

MP “I think your company should bid for this tender”

Tory Chum “What would I have to do?”

MP “Absolutely Nothing we’ll just give £100m”

Tory Chum “Sounds good to me I’m in”
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05/02/2021 05:48:36 3 3
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It’s a french company headquarters are in france
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05/02/2021 05:16:29 22 22
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Having children is a personal choice and there are many ways to avoid getting pregnant or terminating. If you can’t afford to have them and pay for them yourself it’s hard luck. Stop looking for a handout from taxpayers that make sensible financial decisions.
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05/02/2021 05:27:19 16 7
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In principal I agree with you however you get to that point through education and opportunities.

You are now talking about living children who are starving! I don’t want to be part of a country where any child starves. I wish we did more and I’m happy to pay taxes for it.

If you do there a plenty of options in the world to go to.....
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05/02/2021 05:49:49 7 5
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By feeding the hungry children of today you are guaranteeing that more idiots will breed the hungry children of tomorrow. Take away the automatic right to housing and cash by virtue of having a child and the born into poverty birth rate will drop.
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05/02/2021 05:38:25 17 22
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Massive state run orphanages should be opened and children taken away from parents unable or unwilling to provide, that way the children would get a good education and grow up learning respect and gain a work ethic. It’s no secret that most of these kids come from poor estates and get involved with crime and sit on the social most of their lives. Also reduce the parents benefits in these cases.
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05/02/2021 05:44:27 12 3
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You would be a hand in glove fit for the job by the sounds?
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05/02/2021 05:45:14 9 4
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Too many people see children as a ticket to housing and cash. As long as we continue to put this price ticket on children's heads they will continue to be born into poverty.
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05/02/2021 05:48:20 7 3
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Not happy with first comment on this topic Lee decides to really go into the gutter.
What a nasty,Chinese communist view of how to treat the poor in society. Removed
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05/02/2021 06:40:46 7 2
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On the other hand the root causes of the crippling inequality parts of this country experience could be addressed. Awful post. I grew up quite poor entirely because of where I lived, and there is nothing wrong with my work ethic or principles. I would concern yourself more with your malfunctioning moral compass. Any semblance of the education you profess to have disappeared at the word orphanage
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05/02/2021 07:05:33 1 2
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I would go further and tattoo these feckless parents so they can be clearly identified
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05/02/2021 05:43:12 30 6
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Governmental Procurement always a total disaster area..
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05/02/2021 05:56:39 19 10
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Vaccination didn't do bad.
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05/02/2021 05:38:25 17 22
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Massive state run orphanages should be opened and children taken away from parents unable or unwilling to provide, that way the children would get a good education and grow up learning respect and gain a work ethic. It’s no secret that most of these kids come from poor estates and get involved with crime and sit on the social most of their lives. Also reduce the parents benefits in these cases.
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05/02/2021 05:44:27 12 3
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You would be a hand in glove fit for the job by the sounds?
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05/02/2021 05:38:25 17 22
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Massive state run orphanages should be opened and children taken away from parents unable or unwilling to provide, that way the children would get a good education and grow up learning respect and gain a work ethic. It’s no secret that most of these kids come from poor estates and get involved with crime and sit on the social most of their lives. Also reduce the parents benefits in these cases.
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05/02/2021 05:45:14 9 4
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Too many people see children as a ticket to housing and cash. As long as we continue to put this price ticket on children's heads they will continue to be born into poverty.
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05/02/2021 05:47:56 7 4
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I totally agree
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05/02/2021 05:45:14 9 4
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Too many people see children as a ticket to housing and cash. As long as we continue to put this price ticket on children's heads they will continue to be born into poverty.
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05/02/2021 05:47:56 7 4
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I totally agree
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05/02/2021 05:38:25 17 22
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Massive state run orphanages should be opened and children taken away from parents unable or unwilling to provide, that way the children would get a good education and grow up learning respect and gain a work ethic. It’s no secret that most of these kids come from poor estates and get involved with crime and sit on the social most of their lives. Also reduce the parents benefits in these cases.
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05/02/2021 05:48:20 7 3
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Not happy with first comment on this topic Lee decides to really go into the gutter.
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05/02/2021 05:50:53 2 1
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Lol
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05/02/2021 05:23:07 46 12
bbc
Spot on.

Guide to Tory procurement.

MP “I think your company should bid for this tender”

Tory Chum “What would I have to do?”

MP “Absolutely Nothing we’ll just give £100m”

Tory Chum “Sounds good to me I’m in”
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05/02/2021 05:48:36 3 3
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It’s a french company headquarters are in france
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05/02/2021 06:00:59 7 5
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This one might be due to incompetence but what about the dozens of other contracts handed out by corrupt Tories. Does the quoted figure of circa £22 billion not shock you?
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mak
05/02/2021 06:50:11 2 0
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Passports, now school meals...................."securing our borders" of course!
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05/02/2021 04:53:04 33 15
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Everything comes up short in this country. It's how conservatvies and capitalism work.

You have two choices - either give people a job with a fair wage. Or support them through welfare.

If you won't create jobs, especially one's that pay fair wages, then you have no right to moan about having to have significant welfare.
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05/02/2021 05:49:38 4 4
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People need to want to work and not see welfare as a wage
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05/02/2021 06:49:34 5 0
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Many of our neighbours spend far more per capita on welfare than we do.

But they can afford to do it as they orientate their economies more to providing more productive and attractive opportunities to workers.

It is the lack of investment in our real economy that is the problem, as capital is allowed to flow to asset values, as a result we have been falling behind in productivity for decades.
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05/02/2021 05:27:19 16 7
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In principal I agree with you however you get to that point through education and opportunities.

You are now talking about living children who are starving! I don’t want to be part of a country where any child starves. I wish we did more and I’m happy to pay taxes for it.

If you do there a plenty of options in the world to go to.....
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05/02/2021 05:49:49 7 5
bbc
By feeding the hungry children of today you are guaranteeing that more idiots will breed the hungry children of tomorrow. Take away the automatic right to housing and cash by virtue of having a child and the born into poverty birth rate will drop.
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05/02/2021 05:48:20 7 3
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Not happy with first comment on this topic Lee decides to really go into the gutter.
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05/02/2021 05:50:53 2 1
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Lol
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05/02/2021 05:53:05 27 18
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I see that people want cash well of course they do then they can spend it on what they like and not necessarily food for the kids
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05/02/2021 05:55:04 22 7
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Correct , defeats the object a little.
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05/02/2021 05:53:49 35 18
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Some families complain about free school meal quality but it the same food others have to pay for.
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05/02/2021 06:14:15 15 31
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Can only hope your never hungry honey ?
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05/02/2021 08:43:56 3 3
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Oh you poor little mite.
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05/02/2021 05:53:05 27 18
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I see that people want cash well of course they do then they can spend it on what they like and not necessarily food for the kids
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05/02/2021 05:55:04 22 7
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Correct , defeats the object a little.
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05/02/2021 05:43:12 30 6
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Governmental Procurement always a total disaster area..
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05/02/2021 05:56:39 19 10
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Vaccination didn't do bad.
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05/02/2021 06:05:51 5 2
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100,000 + deaths ?
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05/02/2021 06:14:40 7 1
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With so many dead, and track and trace (otherwise known as bucks for the buddies) being useless-it's just as well the vaccines are good news.
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05/02/2021 07:40:11 4 3
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Whilst there is obvious merit in your point, it's worth remembering many countries have effectively eradicated Covid WITHOUT a vaccine.

That we have ordered millions of doses may be a success, but it's a success to mitigate a failure.

Yes, some other countries have responded worse, but that defense means we can get away with being as bad as we like so long as there's just one country even worse.
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05/02/2021 20:08:54 0 0
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But we are paying far more for the jabs than the EU!
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05/02/2021 05:48:36 3 3
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It’s a french company headquarters are in france
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05/02/2021 06:00:59 7 5
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This one might be due to incompetence but what about the dozens of other contracts handed out by corrupt Tories. Does the quoted figure of circa £22 billion not shock you?
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05/02/2021 05:16:29 22 22
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Having children is a personal choice and there are many ways to avoid getting pregnant or terminating. If you can’t afford to have them and pay for them yourself it’s hard luck. Stop looking for a handout from taxpayers that make sensible financial decisions.
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05/02/2021 06:01:29 9 4
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3 billion goes missing whilst the government hands out contracts to their mates, massive corporations pay no tax and haven’t for decades, Panama papers show massive corruption and this is what you choose to get angry about as a tax payer?Absolutely ridiculous comment especially when you consider that there’s plenty of parents that work but are still struggling to make ends meet.No humanity in you?
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05/02/2021 06:11:07 3 4
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What you forget is the fact that it’s the massive corporations that provide most of the job opportunities, if you take them away then you lose employment. As for having humanity myself as you asked, for the people that deserve it yes I do.
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05/02/2021 05:56:39 19 10
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Vaccination didn't do bad.
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05/02/2021 06:05:51 5 2
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100,000 + deaths ?
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05/02/2021 06:18:41 5 2
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The vaccination didn't cause those
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05/02/2021 06:01:29 9 4
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3 billion goes missing whilst the government hands out contracts to their mates, massive corporations pay no tax and haven’t for decades, Panama papers show massive corruption and this is what you choose to get angry about as a tax payer?Absolutely ridiculous comment especially when you consider that there’s plenty of parents that work but are still struggling to make ends meet.No humanity in you?
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05/02/2021 06:11:07 3 4
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What you forget is the fact that it’s the massive corporations that provide most of the job opportunities, if you take them away then you lose employment. As for having humanity myself as you asked, for the people that deserve it yes I do.
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05/02/2021 06:26:09 7 2
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And they pay poverty wages which leaves the tax payers picking up the bill! How many people do these tech giants employ? Not many. Your argument is so flawed but you’d rather see children taken from their parents than see corporations pay a living wage or their fair share of tax? Your priorities are totally skewed and it’s clear that your compassion for people is non existent. Shame on you
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b
05/02/2021 07:13:16 4 0
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"As for having humanity myself as you asked, for the people that deserve it yes I do."

So some people (and by definition given the article under discussion their children) just don't deserve basic humanity. Interesting perspective.
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05/02/2021 06:11:25 6 8
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Lets face it..it was taking the P.
My guinea pig Fred just gets by on more then that in a day.
At least the parcels did not have a signed photo of...'Boris'. That would not have gone down well !
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05/02/2021 05:53:49 35 18
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Some families complain about free school meal quality but it the same food others have to pay for.
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05/02/2021 06:14:15 15 31
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Can only hope your never hungry honey ?
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05/02/2021 06:26:53 9 4
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Never mentioned going hungry
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05/02/2021 05:56:39 19 10
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Vaccination didn't do bad.
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05/02/2021 06:14:40 7 1
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With so many dead, and track and trace (otherwise known as bucks for the buddies) being useless-it's just as well the vaccines are good news.
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05/02/2021 06:14:41 31 18
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Tired of this now..... Have three big kids now....... We fed them without handouts and we went without as did a lot of parents when times were hard
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05/02/2021 06:40:45 17 22
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I saw you supporting the “shouldn’t have kids if you can’t afford them” argument on another comment. That being the case, should you not have had kids, given that there were times when you freely admit you could not afford it?
No didn’t think so.
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05/02/2021 07:10:25 5 3
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And you wish this on other people?
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05/02/2021 08:44:40 1 0
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Yes, but eating Gran is hardly polite.
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05/02/2021 06:15:05 8 9
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Its all ok the magic money forest has been discovered by the eton boys
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05/02/2021 05:18:40 72 4
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It seems that every time government - and this includes Labour as well - go to the "private sector" they get fleeced.

Seems we need a wholesale purging of those involved in negotiating these contracts and replace them with people who are much, much harder negotiators. And also finally lay bare the lie that "private is best".
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05/02/2021 06:15:18 29 12
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Yes, I am not convinced by these corruption allegations. It's mostly civil servants tasked with procurement and finding these contracts--they're not particularly talented in my experience.
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05/02/2021 08:40:37 4 2
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And it is so hard for tories to look at a receipt isn't it.
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05/02/2021 10:45:31 1 3
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Must be really hard to be a civil servant who can see that the country is been robbed by the clowns of Bozo (bungs for chums) and to be unable to do anything. Who can they complain to.....................blither, blither erectus Bozo
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05/02/2021 14:27:28 4 1
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The DfE was "surprisingly unconcerned about whether Edenred was profiting from the voucher scheme at taxpayers' expense," said the report, "and missed potential opportunities to reduce the cost or share in the profits."
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But isn't it amazing how many Tory Party supporters and donors have benefitted from what you call mistakes?!
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05/02/2021 05:38:25 17 22
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Massive state run orphanages should be opened and children taken away from parents unable or unwilling to provide, that way the children would get a good education and grow up learning respect and gain a work ethic. It’s no secret that most of these kids come from poor estates and get involved with crime and sit on the social most of their lives. Also reduce the parents benefits in these cases.
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What a nasty,Chinese communist view of how to treat the poor in society. Removed
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05/02/2021 06:47:11 4 3
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I am a capitalist not a communist and my comments clearly show this. That is a problem with society we have so many people that don’t understand the use of language.
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Ian
05/02/2021 04:47:28 55 17
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"The Department for Education should have sought better value for money from a private contract for vouchers to replace free school meals in England during the pandemic, MPs have warned."

????Don't forget, as with the failed NHS app and PPE, the Tories are using the pandemic to distribute vast amounts of taxpayer money to their Tory party-funding, top 1% wealthy supporters.??????
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05/02/2021 06:16:19 5 12
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And you lot think Liebour whould have been any different..... Behave
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05/02/2021 10:48:23 3 2
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Most people believe that Labour would have done things very differently, much better in fact. It's only the fossils who believe the clown party these days.
Removed
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05/02/2021 05:16:29 22 22
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Having children is a personal choice and there are many ways to avoid getting pregnant or terminating. If you can’t afford to have them and pay for them yourself it’s hard luck. Stop looking for a handout from taxpayers that make sensible financial decisions.
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05/02/2021 06:16:55 8 3
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Such a smug holier than thou position to take. Obviously a Tory.
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05/02/2021 06:18:46 5 6
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Or a realist....
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05/02/2021 06:17:00 15 12
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The root problem is that the Government are reluctant to give cash to those in most need.

That opens up a proverbial can of worms as to why not .Social welfare needs radical change.

Influential critics like caring Labour M.P. Mr. Timms shows great humanity trying to help the poorest in our society through changes to the current parsimonious inadequate system and the way we regard the poor.
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05/02/2021 07:34:54 6 2
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Or perhaps the government tried to ensure the children in those family are fed properly.
Having been one of those children, and seen that money end up in the bookies, I support the intent.
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05/02/2021 06:05:51 5 2
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100,000 + deaths ?
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05/02/2021 06:18:41 5 2
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The vaccination didn't cause those
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05/02/2021 06:31:38 4 1
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What did, think before you reply ?
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05/02/2021 07:20:32 1 0
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A bit of a shame you cannot vaccinate corpses.
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05/02/2021 06:16:55 8 3
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Such a smug holier than thou position to take. Obviously a Tory.
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05/02/2021 06:18:46 5 6
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Or a realist....
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05/02/2021 06:38:05 7 1
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No, a realist understands that people in poverty have kids and you can’t stop them, and that some people have kids which they can afford, but then lose their income. And the realist understands that it’s not the child’s fault. You “don’t have kids if you can’t afford them” types are not realists, you are fantasists. Meaning you are more concerned with what “should” be, than what is.
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05/02/2021 06:22:17 26 10
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Surprising thing is many living on this small island have not even seen the hardship that millions live under, well you maybe need a tour of your own land?

Zero Hours Contracts how wonderful a tool and you castigate folk who cant afford food??
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05/02/2021 07:22:20 3 14
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Zero hour contracts serve an important purpose for both companies who's income is dependant on volume and foot traffic, and also for many employees who want or need flexible working patterns (of which there are millions). In UK, hospitality and retail sectors wouldn't exist without them and its not the govts fault. Its consumers and their how they spend their money that has necessitated this.
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05/02/2021 06:23:51 14 17
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This is the same government that have created a hostile environment for disabled in the UK...The same government that was defeated in the House of Lords on Tuesday evening when trying to defend doing free trade deals with countries that commit genocide or human rights abuses.
The food parcels were meant as an insult. The details of said parcels went across Johnsons desk.
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05/02/2021 06:11:07 3 4
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What you forget is the fact that it’s the massive corporations that provide most of the job opportunities, if you take them away then you lose employment. As for having humanity myself as you asked, for the people that deserve it yes I do.
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05/02/2021 06:26:09 7 2
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And they pay poverty wages which leaves the tax payers picking up the bill! How many people do these tech giants employ? Not many. Your argument is so flawed but you’d rather see children taken from their parents than see corporations pay a living wage or their fair share of tax? Your priorities are totally skewed and it’s clear that your compassion for people is non existent. Shame on you
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05/02/2021 06:14:15 15 31
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Can only hope your never hungry honey ?
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05/02/2021 06:26:53 9 4
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Never mentioned going hungry
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05/02/2021 06:27:36 15 16
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Tories not concerned that private company is making huge profits from providing free school meal packages. This is Tory Amorality at it's best , no morals, no ethics, no consideration or compassion for anyone but themselves and I Tar every single Tory with the same brush
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05/02/2021 06:30:11 15 12
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Is that right Jeremy Corbyn
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05/02/2021 07:51:08 0 1
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And your kind of immature silly support is what has driven millions away from Labour and cost the last election. Are you old enough to vote? It doesn’t sound like it. If you can’t have a reasonable polite discussion, keep your extremist opinion to yourself before you do more harm.
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05/02/2021 06:27:36 15 16
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Tories not concerned that private company is making huge profits from providing free school meal packages. This is Tory Amorality at it's best , no morals, no ethics, no consideration or compassion for anyone but themselves and I Tar every single Tory with the same brush
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05/02/2021 06:30:11 15 12
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Is that right Jeremy Corbyn
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05/02/2021 06:41:01 2 3
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Without doubt Bozo
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05/02/2021 07:15:21 1 0
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His facts trump your feelings.
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05/02/2021 07:17:04 2 0
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Jeremy Corbyn can use puntuation.
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05/02/2021 06:18:41 5 2
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The vaccination didn't cause those
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05/02/2021 06:31:38 4 1
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What did, think before you reply ?
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05/02/2021 07:30:19 2 2
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The vaccinations didn't cause those
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05/02/2021 06:18:46 5 6
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Or a realist....
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05/02/2021 06:38:05 7 1
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No, a realist understands that people in poverty have kids and you can’t stop them, and that some people have kids which they can afford, but then lose their income. And the realist understands that it’s not the child’s fault. You “don’t have kids if you can’t afford them” types are not realists, you are fantasists. Meaning you are more concerned with what “should” be, than what is.
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Em
05/02/2021 06:40:03 13 12
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Cut Foreign Aid and explain to taxpayers what it is spent on and why that spending is more important overseas than at home.
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05/02/2021 07:14:44 5 2
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Tax the rich?
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05/02/2021 08:26:33 2 1
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Each year we spend less on foreign aid than govt did on Harding's track & trace app.

Personally, I'd rather we continue with foreign aid to (as govt website puts it) "fight poverty, tackle climate change and improve global health" than just giving money to friends of the ERG.

Or, perhaps you can explain why rich people like Harding are more important than aid at home?
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05/02/2021 09:12:23 2 0
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Yawn, the same old bull**** continually peddled by people without a clue. It's either the poor, immigrants or foreigners stealing your money. Not all the wealthy tax dodgers (but, but, but tax avoidance schemes are legal) & spivs with government connections.

Reality is, as a country we just don't care.
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05/02/2021 06:14:41 31 18
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Tired of this now..... Have three big kids now....... We fed them without handouts and we went without as did a lot of parents when times were hard
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05/02/2021 06:40:45 17 22
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I saw you supporting the “shouldn’t have kids if you can’t afford them” argument on another comment. That being the case, should you not have had kids, given that there were times when you freely admit you could not afford it?
No didn’t think so.
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05/02/2021 06:51:15 7 7
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They found the means to make it work instead of blaming society on all their ills you dimwit.
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05/02/2021 05:38:25 17 22
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Massive state run orphanages should be opened and children taken away from parents unable or unwilling to provide, that way the children would get a good education and grow up learning respect and gain a work ethic. It’s no secret that most of these kids come from poor estates and get involved with crime and sit on the social most of their lives. Also reduce the parents benefits in these cases.
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05/02/2021 06:40:46 7 2
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On the other hand the root causes of the crippling inequality parts of this country experience could be addressed. Awful post. I grew up quite poor entirely because of where I lived, and there is nothing wrong with my work ethic or principles. I would concern yourself more with your malfunctioning moral compass. Any semblance of the education you profess to have disappeared at the word orphanage
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05/02/2021 06:30:11 15 12
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Is that right Jeremy Corbyn
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05/02/2021 06:41:01 2 3
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Without doubt Bozo
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05/02/2021 04:53:04 33 15
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Everything comes up short in this country. It's how conservatvies and capitalism work.

You have two choices - either give people a job with a fair wage. Or support them through welfare.

If you won't create jobs, especially one's that pay fair wages, then you have no right to moan about having to have significant welfare.
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05/02/2021 06:42:07 10 0
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Indeed.

A high benefits bill should be seen for what it is.

An economic failure by Government to create an economy that provides productive and well paid jobs.

People should realize that spin about benefits being a 'lifestyle choice' is just Regime snake oil to cover for its own economic failings and hold the blighters accountable instead.
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What a nasty,Chinese communist view of how to treat the poor in society. Removed
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05/02/2021 06:47:11 4 3
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I am a capitalist not a communist and my comments clearly show this. That is a problem with society we have so many people that don’t understand the use of language.
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05/02/2021 07:01:09 2 0
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I think the post was aimed at your similar attitudes towards the poor Lee. Another problem with society is that people don't understand context
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05/02/2021 07:09:18 4 1
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People understand the use of your language. They disagree with your opinion on moral grounds. I'd also disagree with your use of the word 'capitalist', as I also understand the context. What I think your opinions are will remain with me.
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CT
05/02/2021 06:47:40 10 3
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Over bureaucratic public bodies really do seem to fail badly in dealing with private concerns, the same when I was in the MOD.

These organisations really should learn how to flex and use their many talented, willing staff to best effect.
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05/02/2021 06:48:40 10 12
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After 12 months make them all work in the community for the benefits. Stop handling out all these freebies of other tax payers money. Make people accountable for their own families and actions. Never had all these handouts years ago. They all want everything but want it given not earned. You want kids pay for them it’s the least you can do. Same idiots having generations of kids. Break the cycle
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05/02/2021 07:01:45 5 0
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Difficult, as a majority of these people are already 'in work' poor!

How about we invest in an economy that provides people with proper productive well paid jobs instead, rather than continuing to allow capital to slide into useless and lazy asset values.

Otherwise, we will allow the UK economy to eventually completely stagnate.
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05/02/2021 07:14:20 1 1
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Nothing to do with low standard of education or zero hour contracts?

You do realise most of these lay about yobs are white working classes. There was a survey not so long ago but why they were left behind.

Why do you have white working class people so much?

Also, much much more money goes to the wealthy OAPS. Year after year under triple lock they have had raises above inflation. Unlike nhs!
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05/02/2021 07:15:37 1 1
bbc
Interested to know what community work would you have these children do? Sing for their school meal vouchers perhaps?
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05/02/2021 06:48:46 11 14
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Here we go. Another BBC HYS selected to kick the government - & everyone getting it wrong.

It's the civil service that negotiate these deals, not the Minister.

By the time they've come up with a contractor, the Minister has been kicked & punched in public for being too slow so has to select what's on offer.

We've a sclerotic, dribbling civil service that's unfit for purpose & should be purged
This shambolic government deserve a good verbal kicking. From "Bent as a 9 Bob Note" Jenrick to Michael "Chucky" Gove and everything in between. Removed
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05/02/2021 06:55:00 4 0
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Wake up. Pigs at the same trough.
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05/02/2021 07:12:07 3 0
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I thought that’s what the government were elected to do?

It’s why various heads of dept have left and why Pretti Awful was found guilty of bullying.

But still it’s the civil service and not the MP’s? ??

That’s a bit like Trump fulfilling all his campaign promises but still losing the election because of the deep state and the swamp which he “cleared”
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05/02/2021 07:15:42 5 0
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Nice attempt at deflection.

The civil service walk a tightrope, needing to please their political masters in order to maintain their own positions.

It is the politicians, and their neo-liberal agenda of placing too much faith in the private sector that is the problem.
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05/02/2021 07:27:03 1 0
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"We've a sclerotic, dribbling civil service that's unfit for purpose & should be purged" Don't worry - Johnson might be out next election.
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05/02/2021 05:49:38 4 4
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People need to want to work and not see welfare as a wage
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05/02/2021 06:49:34 5 0
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Many of our neighbours spend far more per capita on welfare than we do.

But they can afford to do it as they orientate their economies more to providing more productive and attractive opportunities to workers.

It is the lack of investment in our real economy that is the problem, as capital is allowed to flow to asset values, as a result we have been falling behind in productivity for decades.
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05/02/2021 05:48:36 3 3
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It’s a french company headquarters are in france
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mak
05/02/2021 06:50:11 2 0
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Passports, now school meals...................."securing our borders" of course!
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05/02/2021 06:40:45 17 22
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I saw you supporting the “shouldn’t have kids if you can’t afford them” argument on another comment. That being the case, should you not have had kids, given that there were times when you freely admit you could not afford it?
No didn’t think so.
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05/02/2021 06:51:15 7 7
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They found the means to make it work instead of blaming society on all their ills you dimwit.
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05/02/2021 11:40:53 2 0
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Absolutely correct.... Our choice Our responsibility
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05/02/2021 05:18:40 72 4
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It seems that every time government - and this includes Labour as well - go to the "private sector" they get fleeced.

Seems we need a wholesale purging of those involved in negotiating these contracts and replace them with people who are much, much harder negotiators. And also finally lay bare the lie that "private is best".
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05/02/2021 06:51:38 2 1
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Nailed it, top class post.
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05/02/2021 06:48:46 11 14
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Here we go. Another BBC HYS selected to kick the government - & everyone getting it wrong.

It's the civil service that negotiate these deals, not the Minister.

By the time they've come up with a contractor, the Minister has been kicked & punched in public for being too slow so has to select what's on offer.

We've a sclerotic, dribbling civil service that's unfit for purpose & should be purged
This shambolic government deserve a good verbal kicking. From "Bent as a 9 Bob Note" Jenrick to Michael "Chucky" Gove and everything in between. Removed
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05/02/2021 07:00:29 4 1
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You've missed the point of the post you ideologically-stunted dimwit.
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05/02/2021 06:54:46 20 6
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This is the most hypocritical, ironic thing I've read.

During the pandemic this government directly awarded billions of pounds in contracts to friends and relatives of the Tory party.

Now one contract not awarded to friends is accused of profiteering.

If what the Tory party had done with these contracts been done in somewhere like Africa then the world would be shouting corruption.
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05/02/2021 04:53:04 33 15
bbc
Everything comes up short in this country. It's how conservatvies and capitalism work.

You have two choices - either give people a job with a fair wage. Or support them through welfare.

If you won't create jobs, especially one's that pay fair wages, then you have no right to moan about having to have significant welfare.
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05/02/2021 06:54:48 2 1
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I don't think that wages are the main problem, its more that the lower payed proportionally have to give so much of what they earn back in various taxes, utilities and rents.
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05/02/2021 06:56:44 56 3
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The most interesting thing about this discussion are the many comments bemoaning 'hand outs' to the poor without responsibility, when the real issues here is a massive hand out given to a contractor without the obligation to provide a proper service!

Other Countries maintain good public/private partnerships. Why is it only 'Treasure Island' UK where you can be handed millions for crap in return?
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05/02/2021 07:25:26 16 5
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Whilst I agree with, I believe "the poor" are that easy, generic, faceless target who are easy for people to blame, like often happens with "the right" or "the left" or "the young" or "the old".

Countries with less corrupt systems tend to be (but are not always) more socialist, like in Scandinavia. But it's clear that is very much not the direction Brits want to go right now.
This shambolic government deserve a good verbal kicking. From "Bent as a 9 Bob Note" Jenrick to Michael "Chucky" Gove and everything in between. Removed
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05/02/2021 07:00:29 4 1
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You've missed the point of the post you ideologically-stunted dimwit.
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05/02/2021 06:52:29 20 4
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Typical. Someone is making an absolute fortune off this, who’s betting the MPs know exactly who it is personally and perhaps even have a vested interest themselves?!
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05/02/2021 06:48:46 11 14
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Here we go. Another BBC HYS selected to kick the government - & everyone getting it wrong.

It's the civil service that negotiate these deals, not the Minister.

By the time they've come up with a contractor, the Minister has been kicked & punched in public for being too slow so has to select what's on offer.

We've a sclerotic, dribbling civil service that's unfit for purpose & should be purged
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05/02/2021 06:55:00 4 0
bbc
Wake up. Pigs at the same trough.
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05/02/2021 06:47:11 4 3
bbc
I am a capitalist not a communist and my comments clearly show this. That is a problem with society we have so many people that don’t understand the use of language.
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05/02/2021 07:01:09 2 0
bbc
I think the post was aimed at your similar attitudes towards the poor Lee. Another problem with society is that people don't understand context
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05/02/2021 06:48:40 10 12
bbc
After 12 months make them all work in the community for the benefits. Stop handling out all these freebies of other tax payers money. Make people accountable for their own families and actions. Never had all these handouts years ago. They all want everything but want it given not earned. You want kids pay for them it’s the least you can do. Same idiots having generations of kids. Break the cycle
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05/02/2021 07:01:45 5 0
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Difficult, as a majority of these people are already 'in work' poor!

How about we invest in an economy that provides people with proper productive well paid jobs instead, rather than continuing to allow capital to slide into useless and lazy asset values.

Otherwise, we will allow the UK economy to eventually completely stagnate.
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05/02/2021 07:03:13 4 5
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The only way to male this work and remove any stigma regarding vouchers is to give them to everyone in the country. This would increase the cost but it could be offset through higher taxation.
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05/02/2021 07:28:36 4 0
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What stigma over a food voucher.? What are people supposed to worry about, a disdainful look from the checkout lady? Get a grip!
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05/02/2021 07:04:57 33 1
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Having worked as support staff in a few schools over the last 20 years I would be surprised if this scheme was financially responsible. Schools are a cash cow to any business or contractor. Waste is endemic. Accountability is pathetic.
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05/02/2021 07:09:15 22 1
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The NHS sadly being another example of what you describe.
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05/02/2021 19:55:33 2 1
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Given the fall in school budgets since 2010 and the state of school finances currently, I can only assume your "experience" was very limited!

Still, feeds the anti-public sector stance of this govt!
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05/02/2021 07:05:18 33 1
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"The Department for Education should have sought better value for money... MPs have warned"

Would those MPs like to tell us the value for money taxpayers got out of Dido Harding's £14bn test & trace app? Of the value for money of the broker fees for vaccines? Of the millions spent on Turkish PPE that couldn't be used? Where's the value for money in those?
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05/02/2021 08:41:54 1 5
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Yet again someone using a ridicukous figure. The original cost for the test and trace app was 12 MILLION (it will likely have cost more as changes have been made). Almost all of the 14 BILLION figure is made of the millions of actual, physical tests, the associated lab work and manual tracing of people.
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05/02/2021 09:05:11 2 1
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You missed the L out of Dido
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05/02/2021 05:38:25 17 22
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Massive state run orphanages should be opened and children taken away from parents unable or unwilling to provide, that way the children would get a good education and grow up learning respect and gain a work ethic. It’s no secret that most of these kids come from poor estates and get involved with crime and sit on the social most of their lives. Also reduce the parents benefits in these cases.
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05/02/2021 07:05:33 1 2
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I would go further and tattoo these feckless parents so they can be clearly identified
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05/02/2021 07:05:34 11 0
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Can we assume that the Permanent Secretry will not receive a kinghthood ever over this waste of money? Also the the minister Gavin Williamson responcible will also not receive anything either.
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05/02/2021 07:07:24 3 9
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To improve the food quality the government should bring in the private sector. Companies like McDonalds and KFC know how to mass produce fulfilling hot meals.
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05/02/2021 07:09:03 4 0
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Lol. The fastest kids in Europe need just that
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05/02/2021 07:09:56 4 0
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I'll have the voucher you promised in your previous post. I'd rather not have a fulfilling hot meal from McDonalds or KFC.
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05/02/2021 07:18:23 2 1
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Please tell me you're being facetious.
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05/02/2021 07:22:48 3 1
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Hardly, two of the most unhealthy organisations in the planet!
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05/02/2021 07:07:52 7 6
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Why are these vouchers being used at all? I thought Universal Credit had been raised by £20 per week during the pandemic?
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05/02/2021 07:07:24 3 9
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To improve the food quality the government should bring in the private sector. Companies like McDonalds and KFC know how to mass produce fulfilling hot meals.
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05/02/2021 07:09:03 4 0
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Lol. The fastest kids in Europe need just that
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05/02/2021 07:04:57 33 1
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Having worked as support staff in a few schools over the last 20 years I would be surprised if this scheme was financially responsible. Schools are a cash cow to any business or contractor. Waste is endemic. Accountability is pathetic.
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05/02/2021 07:09:15 22 1
bbc
The NHS sadly being another example of what you describe.
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05/02/2021 06:47:11 4 3
bbc
I am a capitalist not a communist and my comments clearly show this. That is a problem with society we have so many people that don’t understand the use of language.
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05/02/2021 07:09:18 4 1
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People understand the use of your language. They disagree with your opinion on moral grounds. I'd also disagree with your use of the word 'capitalist', as I also understand the context. What I think your opinions are will remain with me.
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05/02/2021 07:44:36 2 0
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I believe that his opinion is that Scrooge is his hero prior to the three visits to enlighten him. I am sure that he would like to be able to use the kids as child labour for “teaching” work ethics and he would eradicate the parents.

The problem with his rationale is that he has not taken into account the fact that so many people lost their jobs or business and they were not able to earn a living
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05/02/2021 07:09:44 15 4
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The gap between the rich and the poor is too big. The balance of tax on wages,spend and wealth is wrong. Unfortunately the people in power like it that way and fundamental change is unlikely.
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05/02/2021 07:25:34 7 4
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Correct, and a Labour government would make scant difference whilst global tax havens continue to exist.
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05/02/2021 07:07:24 3 9
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To improve the food quality the government should bring in the private sector. Companies like McDonalds and KFC know how to mass produce fulfilling hot meals.
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05/02/2021 07:09:56 4 0
bbc
I'll have the voucher you promised in your previous post. I'd rather not have a fulfilling hot meal from McDonalds or KFC.
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05/02/2021 06:14:41 31 18
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Tired of this now..... Have three big kids now....... We fed them without handouts and we went without as did a lot of parents when times were hard
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05/02/2021 07:10:25 5 3
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And you wish this on other people?
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05/02/2021 07:10:46 9 4
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We're living in difficult times with a largely inadequate government. This oversight and holding to account by Parliament on our behalf is a bit of a relief. More power to them. Whomever you voted for, they're our representatives.
Come on Parliament - find out the truth and make ministers accountable to you.
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05/02/2021 06:48:46 11 14
bbc
Here we go. Another BBC HYS selected to kick the government - & everyone getting it wrong.

It's the civil service that negotiate these deals, not the Minister.

By the time they've come up with a contractor, the Minister has been kicked & punched in public for being too slow so has to select what's on offer.

We've a sclerotic, dribbling civil service that's unfit for purpose & should be purged
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05/02/2021 07:12:07 3 0
bbc
I thought that’s what the government were elected to do?

It’s why various heads of dept have left and why Pretti Awful was found guilty of bullying.

But still it’s the civil service and not the MP’s? ??

That’s a bit like Trump fulfilling all his campaign promises but still losing the election because of the deep state and the swamp which he “cleared”
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05/02/2021 06:11:07 3 4
bbc
What you forget is the fact that it’s the massive corporations that provide most of the job opportunities, if you take them away then you lose employment. As for having humanity myself as you asked, for the people that deserve it yes I do.
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b
05/02/2021 07:13:16 4 0
bbc
"As for having humanity myself as you asked, for the people that deserve it yes I do."

So some people (and by definition given the article under discussion their children) just don't deserve basic humanity. Interesting perspective.
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05/02/2021 06:48:40 10 12
bbc
After 12 months make them all work in the community for the benefits. Stop handling out all these freebies of other tax payers money. Make people accountable for their own families and actions. Never had all these handouts years ago. They all want everything but want it given not earned. You want kids pay for them it’s the least you can do. Same idiots having generations of kids. Break the cycle
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05/02/2021 07:14:20 1 1
bbc
Nothing to do with low standard of education or zero hour contracts?

You do realise most of these lay about yobs are white working classes. There was a survey not so long ago but why they were left behind.

Why do you have white working class people so much?

Also, much much more money goes to the wealthy OAPS. Year after year under triple lock they have had raises above inflation. Unlike nhs!
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Em
05/02/2021 06:40:03 13 12
bbc
Cut Foreign Aid and explain to taxpayers what it is spent on and why that spending is more important overseas than at home.
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05/02/2021 07:14:44 5 2
bbc
Tax the rich?
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05/02/2021 06:30:11 15 12
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Is that right Jeremy Corbyn
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05/02/2021 07:15:21 1 0
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His facts trump your feelings.
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05/02/2021 06:48:40 10 12
bbc
After 12 months make them all work in the community for the benefits. Stop handling out all these freebies of other tax payers money. Make people accountable for their own families and actions. Never had all these handouts years ago. They all want everything but want it given not earned. You want kids pay for them it’s the least you can do. Same idiots having generations of kids. Break the cycle
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05/02/2021 07:15:37 1 1
bbc
Interested to know what community work would you have these children do? Sing for their school meal vouchers perhaps?
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05/02/2021 06:48:46 11 14
bbc
Here we go. Another BBC HYS selected to kick the government - & everyone getting it wrong.

It's the civil service that negotiate these deals, not the Minister.

By the time they've come up with a contractor, the Minister has been kicked & punched in public for being too slow so has to select what's on offer.

We've a sclerotic, dribbling civil service that's unfit for purpose & should be purged
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05/02/2021 07:15:42 5 0
bbc
Nice attempt at deflection.

The civil service walk a tightrope, needing to please their political masters in order to maintain their own positions.

It is the politicians, and their neo-liberal agenda of placing too much faith in the private sector that is the problem.
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05/02/2021 06:30:11 15 12
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Is that right Jeremy Corbyn
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05/02/2021 07:17:04 2 0
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Jeremy Corbyn can use puntuation.
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05/02/2021 07:07:24 3 9
bbc
To improve the food quality the government should bring in the private sector. Companies like McDonalds and KFC know how to mass produce fulfilling hot meals.
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05/02/2021 07:18:23 2 1
bbc
Please tell me you're being facetious.
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05/02/2021 07:52:20 1 2
bbc
Not at all. You can get a happy meal for £2.99 per child which includes a drink, nuggets, chips, fruit and a toy. Outstanding value and really filling. I don’t know the government don’t use the professionals
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05/02/2021 06:18:41 5 2
bbc
The vaccination didn't cause those
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05/02/2021 07:20:32 1 0
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A bit of a shame you cannot vaccinate corpses.
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05/02/2021 07:21:20 11 1
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Never get Politicians or Civil Servants involved in anything requiring good value. For example HS2 and Crossrail. Politicians would probably think £20 is "good value" for one child's meal. Basically they don't have a clue about the average person.
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05/02/2021 06:22:17 26 10
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Surprising thing is many living on this small island have not even seen the hardship that millions live under, well you maybe need a tour of your own land?

Zero Hours Contracts how wonderful a tool and you castigate folk who cant afford food??
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05/02/2021 07:22:20 3 14
bbc
Zero hour contracts serve an important purpose for both companies who's income is dependant on volume and foot traffic, and also for many employees who want or need flexible working patterns (of which there are millions). In UK, hospitality and retail sectors wouldn't exist without them and its not the govts fault. Its consumers and their how they spend their money that has necessitated this.
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05/02/2021 08:27:58 3 0
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Utter drivel and balderdash your buck passing, its a USA creation and look how good it did society. You a bankers/stock market opportunist perchance ?
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05/02/2021 08:45:33 3 0
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Baloney.
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05/02/2021 12:15:54 2 0
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Clearly you do not understand how zero hours contract work. You have to be on call to come in when demanded to do so. You are classified as in work even if you don't get thrown any hours. Are you a zero hours employer per chance? In my first job I earned 5K a year for a 45 hour shop work week, but at least my tax and NI were paid.
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05/02/2021 07:06:52 4 3
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The Tories have no plan,no morals and NO leadership
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05/02/2021 07:16:43 3 1
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We MUST look after our children’s nutrition.

I’m furious at turkey twizlers, for example
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05/02/2021 07:33:55 1 1
bbc
Why? Whats a turkey twizler ever done to you?
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05/02/2021 07:07:24 3 9
bbc
To improve the food quality the government should bring in the private sector. Companies like McDonalds and KFC know how to mass produce fulfilling hot meals.
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05/02/2021 07:22:48 3 1
bbc
Hardly, two of the most unhealthy organisations in the planet!
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05/02/2021 07:23:41 2 2
bbc
There were no school dinners when I was at school. If you didn't take sandwiches you went hungry. Also there were no vouchers for our parents to buy food to feed us.
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05/02/2021 07:25:17 4 2
bbc
And that was a good thing ?
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05/02/2021 07:33:14 1 2
bbc
It was called "parental responsibility" back in my day. Unfortunately, there are too many parents nowadays who truly believe that the well-being of their children is the governments responsibility.
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05/02/2021 08:12:18 2 1
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And so speaks the only generation in history who don’t want things to get better for the generations after them. Incredible.
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05/02/2021 09:02:23 2 1
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And the the tory party introduced workhouses and there was gruel, but only in very small portions.
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05/02/2021 07:25:05 5 1
bbc
If a govt dept wastes money then given the Tories position on waste the govt cannot see it as anything other than the minister in charge failing to do their job and run their department correctly.

They call it out in councils, nhs etc - if they don’t call it out on their own failings then they are pulling a Cummings with one rule for them and another for everyone else.

Weasley toerags.