Brexit: Arlene Foster says unionism coming together to oppose Protocol
04/02/2021 | news | uk | 4,653
DUP leader Arlene Foster accuses the British government of "sleepwalking" into NI's Brexit arrangements.
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04/02/2021 12:50:07 21 42
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'the UK government wrote to the EU, calling for temporary lighter enforcement of the rules to be extended until early 2023'

It looks like, yet again , it's the EU that are being awkward
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04/02/2021 12:54:20 30 6
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The UK had the chance to ask for an extension last year, but the Tories chose not to because it would have made their Brexiter base angry. They chose popularity over practicality. It's not the EU's job to rescue them from the consequences of their stupid decisions.
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04/02/2021 12:55:03 3 2
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Eh? Breeeeeeex...(add a few more years)...it.
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04/02/2021 12:56:28 15 2
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The UK wanted to leave and all the problems that are now rising to the surface are of our own making. Why should the EU now offer "special treatment" to the UK?
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04/02/2021 12:59:54 10 1
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Who created the border?
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04/02/2021 13:15:56 6 1
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"It looks like yet again"-I suppose it does to the blind, the ignorant, the dont want to know, the 'not under my watch', the 'ty up the swings', the 'no, nay NEVER, no, nay NEVER NO MORE' brigade. But to the rest of ust it looks like what it is-you voted for it, you didnt know what it was, but you forced it upon everyone, now you want it changed. Have cake and eat it comes to mind. Own yer shIt3 !
05/02/2021 12:27:40 0 0
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It was Boris that declined to extend anything
It was his line in the sand, his negotiating ammo
And this is what he negotiated
And now he wants get-outs from the EU to cover his mistakes
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04/02/2021 12:50:14 7 21
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Friendly neighbours. Wonderful.
05/02/2021 12:28:43 0 0
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The majority in the UK see you and your fellow Zealots as the problem, rather than the EU
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04/02/2021 12:50:54 297 79
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This is aproblem solely caused by Johnson and his hard Brexit. Don't blame the EU.
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04/02/2021 12:52:09 82 278
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Rubbish
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04/02/2021 12:57:08 53 3
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wrong there. He was helped along by those that were idiotic enough to vote for him as he spun his lies, helped along by the DUP party.
90
04/02/2021 13:03:41 5 64
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No, this is the for the EU & Ireland to solve. NI left the EU when the rest of the UK did. The EU wants a border with the UK but doesn't want it to be AT the border with the UK & Ireland - so they've fudged the issue.

NI is not in the EU so get used to it. If it means re-negotiating the GFA, then so be it. UK sovereignty is paramount.
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04/02/2021 13:40:33 0 38
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This is a problem cause by EU incompetence and beaurocracy. I don't blame Johnson.
04/02/2021 15:13:10 5 2
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To be fair, any kind of Brexit would have brought us here. If the UK had stayed in the customs union then it really wouldn't have been worth leaving. Maybe if the UK leader of the opposition hadn't gone AWOL in the lead up to the vote, that t**t Farage wouldn't have poached so many of their followers convincing them it would stand up to big business by voting leave.
04/02/2021 17:10:30 1 1
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No the problem is caused by Grandfathers and the minds of their posioned sons..
04/02/2021 17:46:33 0 3
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Rubbish. The EU manufactured an 'Irish Problem' to use as a lever -nothing more than that. All of this is the fault of the EU, and they have now shown their true colours - not they they hadn't already - incompetent, bullying, anti democratic.
04/02/2021 23:15:33 0 0
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some want to blame the EUfor just about everything
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04/02/2021 12:51:33 15 28
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"We don't need melodrama."

It's what the EU thrive on
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04/02/2021 13:39:36 6 3
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No it is what the DUPpers thrive on - the foaming at the mouth, find insult in everything with a tinge of Irishness in it, more british than the british plebs we have here who have wreaked havoc whilst having their snouts firmly in the trough. Their holier than thou, dont do what I do- do what I say attitude is sickening to watch and why they are not just blatantly called out for it is staggering!
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04/02/2021 12:51:36 335 48
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Remember when Johnson said his mighty Brexit deal with the EU wouldn’t have any barriers to trade?
Surely he wasn’t lying.
Yawn. Removed
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04/02/2021 13:56:20 30 2
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You and me would be in jail for telling false information to the public, lie after lie,,.. Putins handbook?
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04/02/2021 13:58:13 2 48
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No, it was the EU lying
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04/02/2021 14:07:30 19 2
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Pinnochio lying never
04/02/2021 14:53:40 12 1
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You can tell when Johnson is lying as his lips are moving. Perhaps that is why he now wears a face mask.
04/02/2021 15:04:01 0 8
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What they should be doing is discussing how to resolve the trade problems which the practicalities were not fully understood by both sides - not running around shouting "liar liar pants on fire" at Boris. It needs serious consideration from both sides.
04/02/2021 15:24:24 0 5
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.....also yawns.
04/02/2021 15:26:31 4 0
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Is it really lying if he just didn't understand? Of just gross incompetence?
04/02/2021 17:03:25 0 4
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there is no barriers ..we can trade,
04/02/2021 17:20:37 1 0
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"Surely he wasn’t lying"

The trick is to look at his lips. If they are moving he is lying
04/02/2021 18:32:53 0 0
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He has not told any other lies so without this?
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04/02/2021 12:52:07 658 151
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This is Boris Johnson's Problem and it's up to him to own it. He negotiated the deal. he hailed it as a great success. He clearly did't read the small print.
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04/02/2021 12:53:39 503 78
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Or the large print, either......
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04/02/2021 12:54:52 15 77
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did you even read the article?
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04/02/2021 13:00:00 100 7
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"UK Steel said it was "likely" that export quotas for some products would run out in the first quarter of this year - meaning exports would face a 25% tariff." - BBC. If Johnson did any negotiation he didnt understand what he was agreeing to. Or did he just lie about no tariffs or quotas?
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04/02/2021 13:07:51 117 10
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He either didn't read it, didn't understand it, or didn't care.

Any of which is pretty damning for a prime minister
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04/02/2021 13:08:58 33 93
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Looks like the EU didn't read the small print in Article 16 either, especially Annexe 7 which defines the situation and the manner in which Article 16 can be triggered in the first place - and completely flouted those rules. The EU have unilaterally moved the goal posts and left an open goal with a penalty shot still to be taken.
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04/02/2021 13:15:29 24 103
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As a leaver I got what I want out of Brexit.
You are also confusing me with someone who cares what happens in NI.
That’s the same as most leavers judging by the lack of posts on here from leavers.
It’s only you die hard removers who are kicking up a stink.
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04/02/2021 13:18:04 70 11
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As I replied to earlier posting which it seems you did not understand it ....... Here it is again.
Wrong there. He was helped along by those that were idiotic enough to vote for him as he spun his lies, helped along by the DUP party.
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04/02/2021 13:35:46 3 34
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Why do you care.
Brexit is over and finished.
NI can sort it’s own problems out.
If you yourself live in NI then you are effected by this otherwise your just on3 of those can’t get over we lost guys.
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04/02/2021 13:47:59 19 9
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If goods can't safely be checked coming into Northern Ireland then they should be blocked until the die hard brexiteers (in the minority in the North) and loyalist thugs come to their senses.
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04/02/2021 13:55:25 4 13
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Im sure you'll find it was a few 100 or so Ministers who had the responsibility to read and understand the agreements - including DUP First Minister and her staff. So lets place blame where it truly belongs.
But more importantly let's not fight over it - any fool who thinks these concerns are cause for trouble and injury needs to WISE UP!
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04/02/2021 14:13:07 16 5
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Boris Pinocchio Johnsonov knew exactly what he was doing but decided in advance to blame the EU when everyone found out what the terrible consequences of Johnsonov's terrible Brexit Deal choice are!
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04/02/2021 14:18:01 14 3
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Only yesterday in the Commons Boris told Paisley that there is no Irish Sea border and NI has unfettered access with GB.

100% of what comes out of his gob is pure lies so why even ask him questions or listen to him?

But the DUP still see him as their leader LoL
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jim
04/02/2021 14:34:05 14 3
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One solution is for the Uk mainland also to follow EU rules so there does not need to be a border with Ireland
04/02/2021 14:49:30 0 5
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Parliament agreed to the deal.
04/02/2021 14:58:42 1 9
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I think you will find that the EU were also part of the negotiations. Alternative option (lets see how the EU like this, but it's absolutely fair and treats both sides the same) is that these self same checks happen between EU countries and ROI
04/02/2021 14:59:56 9 1
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"He clearly did't read the small print."

AGAIN
04/02/2021 15:02:46 7 1
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The deal was rushed during a short space of time and it shows. I totally understand that the pandemic got in the way, but after four years!
04/02/2021 15:03:13 5 15
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Rubbish! It’s a problem contrived by the EU, to destabilise Ireland and penalise the UK for having the temerity to leave the God Almighty EU.

Blaming BJ is just the manifestation of the petulance and smugness of Europhiles and the failed and incompetent Labour and SNP Left. Get a life for God’s sake!

The EU now a touch paper for restarting The Troubles with their hubris.
04/02/2021 15:24:01 3 12
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This is the EU's problem, integrity of their single market is no concern of ours. Congratulations on leading the exodus from the EU tryranny Boris, and thanks for all the vaccines
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04/02/2021 12:50:54 297 79
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This is aproblem solely caused by Johnson and his hard Brexit. Don't blame the EU.
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04/02/2021 12:52:09 82 278
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Rubbish
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04/02/2021 12:54:45 79 3
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It was the UK that wanted to leave. The EU didn't force us out!
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04/02/2021 12:55:56 56 3
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Rubbish?

What new rules, have tey introduced?

Most of theses rules are older than my kids [they are in their 20sssssssssssssssssssssss]
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04/02/2021 12:56:40 67 3
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In what way precisely is this 'rubbish'? Was it someone other than the Prime Minister who was in charge of negotiating the deal that placed a border between two parts of the United Kingdom?
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04/02/2021 14:12:07 16 1
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Explain. Evidence
04/02/2021 16:38:16 10 0
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We wanted to leave the EU. They didn't kick us out. They didn't want us to leave. They said they'd be problems. They said we'd be worse off. We said 'project fear'.

Now it's project reality.

Boris created this problem. No one else. Just Boris.
04/02/2021 16:42:49 5 0
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Another well reasoned retort from a brexiteer - not!
04/02/2021 17:05:46 4 0
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You need to educate yourself. This is all down to Johnson, refused to extend until 2023, now asking to do exactly that. He bragged about a fantastic deal.. he lied. Everything he signed up to is being applied.
04/02/2021 20:51:12 0 0
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Great argument??
04/02/2021 23:27:54 0 0
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You said you knew EXACTLY what you were voting for
You dismissed ANY talk around problems with the border/GFA as "project fear"
It has now come home to roost
You now need to loosen your underpants and OWN IT
05/02/2021 01:06:22 0 0
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The most eloquent brexiteer argument I've see in a while.
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04/02/2021 12:53:07 36 9
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Boris border blunder
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04/02/2021 13:02:22 32 6
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No. It’s not a blunder but rather a calculated move by (another) deceitful British PM, proving yet again the British should never, ever be trusted with regards to Ireland. And it’s called the Foster Frontier in honour of the DUP leader who made it happen. Bring on the Border Poll #think32
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04/02/2021 12:53:10 8 6
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I think they all need to grow up.
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04/02/2021 12:53:23 19 12
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Brexiteers got what they wanted. Pity N.Ireland voted against (as did the Scots)....but this is Toryland now. Probably time for both peoples to grin and bear it...or look to leave.

Bit like me really....just waiting for lockdown to end so I can go property viewing in Portugal.
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Bob
04/02/2021 13:03:55 6 7
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You call it 'Toryland' as a result of NI and Scotland voting against leaving, yet most of the largest leave-leaning areas were in Labour strongholds...
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04/02/2021 14:37:40 1 2
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Saw this coming, exchanged my apartment for a house in Spain. Cannot take another 4 years of liar Johnson and rich cronies.
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04/02/2021 12:53:26 5 16
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How can the Irish government assert that it can't be changed anyway? Surely the Brussels paymaster generals will be the ones doing the changing, if they can be bothered to let the Irish government know beforehand.
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04/02/2021 12:52:07 658 151
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This is Boris Johnson's Problem and it's up to him to own it. He negotiated the deal. he hailed it as a great success. He clearly did't read the small print.
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04/02/2021 12:53:39 503 78
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Or the large print, either......
04/02/2021 14:51:28 5 1
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Or anything
04/02/2021 15:03:27 5 1
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Quite right.
04/02/2021 15:44:14 2 0
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Or any print?
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04/02/2021 12:53:41 142 18
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Looks like someone forgot to turn the oven on!
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04/02/2021 13:31:37 19 11
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And Joe 90 has got his eggs in the wrong basket again.
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04/02/2021 13:39:36 1 20
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Looks like you forgot that the 'oven ready' phrase did not refer to the trade deal, but to the Withdrawal Agreement. Brexit will be a great success.
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04/02/2021 12:53:43 6 11
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Pity that threats of violent action should influence decisions! I cannot get my head
around the animosity between Protestants and Catholics in Norther Ireland! I cannot imagine such a divide existing in any other part of the UK. Oh! Scots Nats and the English maybe!
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04/02/2021 12:55:23 8 19
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Or remainer hate narratives like stereotyping all leavers racists and/or nationalists.
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04/02/2021 12:59:56 6 1
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You obviously haven't been out and about in the West of Scotland much! I live here and the fact that 2 supposedly "Christian" sects are still squabbling over their same? beliefs and things that happened years amazes me. Religion has a lot to answer for!
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04/02/2021 13:02:13 3 1
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The Scots don't hate the English. Grow up. We are inter-related as families. Like many parts of England they hate Westminster
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04/02/2021 13:04:21 5 1
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A general google search should help you out...........Brexit was never going to work with N.Ireland being an after thought, as usual.
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04/02/2021 13:04:59 5 1
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Bring them out of their homes and onto The streets listen to Jamie dough head Bryson and the little englander Jim allister The gutless thug the wee boys threatening violence or the ones who hid behind the men never forget u don’t have the RUC,BRITISH ARMY,R THE B SPECIALS to drive Uz home r cover ur backs the days of old r gone this is 2021
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04/02/2021 13:06:11 3 1
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Do you actually know the Irish story? England has three totally different histories, with key moments at different times, with Wales (conquered), , Scotland (negotiated) and Ireland. Being Welsh, I learnt most about the Welsh element. In Ireland I imagine it's the Irish element, and in Scotland the Scottish. But what part of the 'united' kingdom's history gets into classrooms in England?
04/02/2021 17:45:20 0 0
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That's Nationalism for you. Southern Ireland is desperate to abolish Northern Ireland as a separate country, just like Sturgeon has sown hatred for the English that never ever existed before.
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04/02/2021 12:54:09 13 11
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Another reason for a Reunited Ireland. Unionists who don't like it can move to Scotland, West Falkland, St Kilda or Rockall.
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PJ
04/02/2021 12:57:16 13 4
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Except Scotland doesn't want them. Besides Scotland might be soon independent as well.
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04/02/2021 13:01:33 1 2
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No they can move to London
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04/02/2021 13:01:37 8 1
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Can you imagine that Brexit never happened ?

Right now, we would all be getting along fine, and people would be less stressed about it all, and no disruption due to port issues ettc.
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xlr
04/02/2021 13:23:01 1 2
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Rockall is the preferred option
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04/02/2021 13:32:06 1 2
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Scotland does not want them. Let them go to London.
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04/02/2021 12:54:10 384 71
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This "Taking back control" lark looks very like "Giving up control"!
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04/02/2021 12:58:11 175 39
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That's exactly right.
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04/02/2021 13:14:51 29 3
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The funny thing is that we probably would have had more power if we had just stayed in the EEA and wouldnt have had all these issues.

and just remember the other orgs outside the main EU were not debated before brexit, in fact many brexiteers promised we would stay in them
04/02/2021 15:23:49 0 14
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......yawns.
04/02/2021 15:42:20 3 0
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Looks more like the Tories sticking it up the DUP for holding them to ransom for two years under Theresa May
04/02/2021 16:17:28 3 6
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EDIT: This "Taking back control" lark looks very like "Giving up control of Northern Ireland"!

NI like every other colony will eventually be given up by the colonial power. It no longer serves a purpose.

Once NI is returned to the Irish due to the unworkable EU border the evidence will exist to deny Scottish Independance, for another while anyway.
04/02/2021 17:02:54 0 8
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Not at all, I like to stand up, remainers like to kneel, then remainers will give something to be in the EU...Reminds me of a low class woman, tut tut.
04/02/2021 19:02:50 0 2
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What exactly does your trite comment do to improve matters?
05/02/2021 19:30:10 0 0
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Lucky we took back control of our vaccine supply isn't it? Too many people want everything all their way without giving a fig about anybody else and then moan because they can't. If they EU acted like grown ups instead of a like a jilted lover things could have been so much better. But we have all seen recently the truth about them - spoilt, spiteful and massively incompetent
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04/02/2021 12:50:07 21 42
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'the UK government wrote to the EU, calling for temporary lighter enforcement of the rules to be extended until early 2023'

It looks like, yet again , it's the EU that are being awkward
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04/02/2021 12:54:20 30 6
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The UK had the chance to ask for an extension last year, but the Tories chose not to because it would have made their Brexiter base angry. They chose popularity over practicality. It's not the EU's job to rescue them from the consequences of their stupid decisions.
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04/02/2021 13:00:27 8 1
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Exactly.
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04/02/2021 12:54:41 467 104
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That is as it should be. Boris signed up for this: It was his Oven Ready Deal. It's his cake, so he must now eat it. There is no point Brexiteers weeping salty tears over this as this is exactly what they voted for. They supposedly, knew what they were voting for. Needless to say, #WeToldThemSo. now all I will say in Brxiteers, you won, get over it.
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04/02/2021 13:00:32 257 22
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What you need to understand is that many in Northern Ireland voted to remain, so saying that they should get over it, is unfair to say the least.

Many who voted leave were based in England, so the Irish border was not an factor in how they voted.

However, it is in the best interests of Northern Ireland, for the UK to have discussions with the EU, to come up with a workable solution
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04/02/2021 13:10:07 6 29
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Never expected the EU to use 13 year old computer system and old fashioned paperwork. Needed to be changed. LOL
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04/02/2021 13:16:25 75 5
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Remainer or Brexiteers, it doesn't matter we all lost in this complete omnishambles.
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04/02/2021 13:29:24 6 40
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Yawn.. yawn...yawn. How many times have you posted the same whinges in the same phrases? It is one cliche after another.
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04/02/2021 13:46:57 30 1
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The Irish DUP kept him in power, ranting leave the EU at any COST, now Paisley and crew crying as they sold the country a pup... crocodile tears from Foster and Paisley now, makes you laugh,,, poor fools
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SJ
04/02/2021 13:47:55 17 2
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Indeed. Brexiteers can tell us what the solution is. For once they csn come up with a plan instead of just destroying what is.
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04/02/2021 14:27:36 0 9
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I can see that you, like many here are remoaners who will grab at any opportunity to criticise . It is the interest of everyone to find a workable solution - that includes your precious EU!
04/02/2021 14:52:14 2 8
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Eire & NI Sinn Fein fought hard to prevent border controls anywhere near the border as the IRA (Sinn Fein) run their lucrative contraband etc across it. When the NI/ Eire border was controlled in "the troubles" the Republic lost millions £. The EU and peace gave them free rein to do what they wanted. Their worst nightmare was controls so they threaten the Irish "fall back" position - violence.
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04/02/2021 12:52:09 82 278
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Rubbish
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04/02/2021 12:54:45 79 3
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It was the UK that wanted to leave. The EU didn't force us out!
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04/02/2021 12:52:07 658 151
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This is Boris Johnson's Problem and it's up to him to own it. He negotiated the deal. he hailed it as a great success. He clearly did't read the small print.
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04/02/2021 12:54:52 15 77
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did you even read the article?
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xlr
04/02/2021 13:07:59 96 29
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What's to read? The agreement was signed. Parliament voted for it. The EU signed it. It's binding, done and dusted.

Now it's up to NI to consider alternative options, such as leaving the UK.
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04/02/2021 13:31:07 36 8
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yues i did, but it's still boris problem
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04/02/2021 13:40:27 23 4
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Did Boris Jonson even read the agreement?
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04/02/2021 12:54:58 11 28
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I am a Brexit supporter, but the NI Protocol is a mess, and Johnson should never have agreed to an internal border in the UK. If we cannot agree with the EU a way to improve the Protocol, we should do what the EU threatened to do and override it.
Remember, Boris was first to threaten that once he realized that his deal wasn't as oven ready as he proclaimed. No doubt he would have carried out his threat if the orange idiot had won a second term in November. Biden shoveled a heap load of realism down his throat and he soon backed down. Removed
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04/02/2021 13:00:54 1 4
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Perhaps he recognised it to be an issue that would not be resolved in a single event but over a longer period when the problems are revealed! Pragmatic concessions from both sides should resolve the outstanding issues! On the other hand, perhaps the EU still thinks playing awkward will support any Rejoin campaign there may be! In the meantime it is for Liz Truss to generate opportunities!
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04/02/2021 13:04:21 4 1
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Nope. No borders in Ireland so the frontier is where it needs to be, between Ireland and Brexit Island.
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04/02/2021 13:04:36 4 1
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Its people with your views that put the clown in control of things that are the cause of this debacle. Sorry, but its look in the mirror time for Johnson supporters in general to see the root cause of political agenda at the moment
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04/02/2021 13:07:22 4 1
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And break the GFA? End all chances of any deal with the USA? Have you actually thought this through?
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04/02/2021 13:16:41 3 1
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I am a Brexit supporter...
But, But, But:
You voted for the Conservative Government - Their leader is Boris - He signed the deal - The MPs you voted in approved it in Parliament.
Just how many opportunities were there in the last 12 months to stop this lunacy.
Now it is all the fault of the EU
Utterly Priceless
You signed up - follow the rules
Not Happy?
Follow the process to resolve issues
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SJ
04/02/2021 13:47:03 1 1
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As a brexit supporter you knew this was what you were voting for. What's your alternative to the protocol then ? Or are you once again just saying what you don't want without thinking through what you do want ? Come on, let's hear it.
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04/02/2021 14:26:05 1 1
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It's not going to happen though...is it?

LOLZ
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04/02/2021 12:50:07 21 42
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'the UK government wrote to the EU, calling for temporary lighter enforcement of the rules to be extended until early 2023'

It looks like, yet again , it's the EU that are being awkward
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04/02/2021 12:55:03 3 2
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Eh? Breeeeeeex...(add a few more years)...it.
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04/02/2021 12:55:22 195 29
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NI unionists criticise an agreement negotiated by the UK (by a PM who said he'd never put a border down the Irish Sea) which was inferior to Theresa May's deal, who sweetened the unionists - and blame Rep Ireland /the EU
.
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Stu
04/02/2021 13:32:56 84 27
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Sorry -- But surely nobody believed BoJo the Liar when he said there would be no sea border between Northern Island and the rest of Britain ?
(or across the Eire border, as they have to be mutually exclusive -- Unless Eire join the UK !)
04/02/2021 14:42:24 5 0
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When I put my x at stay in the EU I was telling everyone not to negotiate a means of leaving.
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04/02/2021 12:53:43 6 11
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Pity that threats of violent action should influence decisions! I cannot get my head
around the animosity between Protestants and Catholics in Norther Ireland! I cannot imagine such a divide existing in any other part of the UK. Oh! Scots Nats and the English maybe!
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04/02/2021 12:55:23 8 19
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Or remainer hate narratives like stereotyping all leavers racists and/or nationalists.
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04/02/2021 13:00:46 3 1
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Aren't they?
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04/02/2021 12:55:34 2 12
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Who cares?
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04/02/2021 13:00:17 5 1
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You do ,enough to right , who cares.
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04/02/2021 12:55:35 248 27
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Rightly so after all those now opposing it were part of its creation. Wasn't long ago DUP (Kingmakers) were strutting HOC telling the world how influential they were as they kept TWO PM's in power. Now to protest is comical I am aware of the lack of foresight ie Brexit/Ireland in EU/border impact. Then again as we saw during RHI fiasco when the then Minister now DUP leader failed to grasp basics
In reality it's not just up to Coveney, Johnson or the EU to decide what happens.

They need to realise that they require the consent of the Northern Ireland public.

So long as a threat against border staff exists there will always be problems with recruiting border staff.

If local people are not prepared to take the risk involved with this job then there will be no border.

Simple!
Removed
439
04/02/2021 13:45:46 11 41
bbc
Will someone explain to Ian Paisley Jnr that NI is not part of the United Kingdom
517
04/02/2021 13:53:44 6 4
bbc
Had Sammy and Paisley ranting in her ear, so the old hearing had gone, and glasses kept steaming up. RHI, Bretix, what? Seen the pounds, £££££
04/02/2021 14:46:28 3 1
bbc
Arlene is worried because her DUP is losing members to Jim Allister's rather more hardline TUV
27
04/02/2021 12:55:47 129 45
bbc
Reunite Ireland. Leave.UK
43
04/02/2021 12:58:13 66 138
bbc
Reunite Ireland with the rest of the UK.
49
04/02/2021 12:58:47 15 53
bbc
Or the other way round, Ireland rejoin UK!
Ireland can't afford themselves never mind the North, and the EU isn't exactly helping them...
57
04/02/2021 12:59:47 43 14
bbc
So right.

Same for all the Celtic Nations.

Leave the English in the mess they made.
404
04/02/2021 13:41:46 10 29
bbc
The Republic cannot afford to absorb Northern Ireland, either economically or demographically. It will not happen.
04/02/2021 22:28:52 0 2
bbc
Ireland was never United.
04/02/2021 23:29:55 3 0
bbc
absolutely correct
05/02/2021 01:45:27 1 0
bbc
A U.I. is the only sensible long term outcome and I say that as a former Unionist that has slowly changed my view over the years, not only due to Brexit but also the actions of Loyalists who will not work with the Nationalist community at all! Loyalism has made me want a U.I. and Westminster I'm sure would love to throw Dublin many billions of pounds to take NI off their hands.
05/02/2021 21:02:38 0 0
bbc
Unfortunately Ireland could not afford to support the North. They they certainly don't want bowler hats and marching bands.
7
04/02/2021 12:52:09 82 278
bbc
Rubbish
28
04/02/2021 12:55:56 56 3
bbc
Rubbish?

What new rules, have tey introduced?

Most of theses rules are older than my kids [they are in their 20sssssssssssssssssssssss]
29
04/02/2021 12:55:58 14 22
bbc
Irish ministers still under the delusion that Ireland’s voice counts for anything within the EU.
52
04/02/2021 12:58:58 12 7
bbc
and it does also carries weight with Biden so wise up and look at the real culprit ie Johnson
111
04/02/2021 13:05:46 5 1
bbc
What the little englanders really hate is they expect to boss little Ireland about and get upset when they turn up with their 27 mates to deal with friendless UK.
211
04/02/2021 13:19:59 3 1
bbc
Irish ministers still under the delusion...
Haven't done too bad so far.
I know it must be a bother that they are at the top table and the UK is not even in the room.
30
04/02/2021 12:56:01 168 44
bbc
Just a reminder, Joe Biden (and a lot of other members of Congress) is Irish American. Anything that impacts the GFA will torpedo a US/UK trade deal which BoJo has said so much about.
92
04/02/2021 13:03:47 73 116
bbc
Indeed, Joe (who has twice as much English in him than Irish) never said a word when the EU were trashing the GFA and imposing a hard border. All very strange.
138
04/02/2021 13:11:01 15 9
bbc
Surely in changing the position of NI within the UK without the consent of the people of NI has already contravened the GFA in a fundamental way??
226
mjs
04/02/2021 13:21:54 12 42
bbc
Joe Biden cant remember what he had for breakfast
279
04/02/2021 13:28:52 16 15
bbc
His family haven't lived in Ireland for centuries ... do you consider yourself a Roman still?
322
04/02/2021 13:32:44 7 26
bbc
Biden will remember, when he ends to take military action somewhere, who his allies are. The Republic of Ireland is not among them.
04/02/2021 15:09:49 1 1
bbc
Actually, Biden is as English as he is Irish.
04/02/2021 16:43:51 0 2
bbc
The NI Protocol is a clear breach on the GFA!
04/02/2021 18:29:32 1 0
bbc
Works both ways... and EU have already invoked Article 16 once.

Just a reminder, Joe Biden (and a lot of other members of Congress) is Irish American. Anything that impacts the GFA will torpedo a US/EU trade deal which VDL has said so much about.
04/02/2021 23:21:37 0 0
bbc
and it is wonderful that joe biden is a so-called irish -American and lets hope he remembers the land of of his forefathers
05/02/2021 19:12:06 0 0
bbc
Do not worry, Joe Biden has already started a trade war with Canada (Alberta) by revoking Keystone pipeline licence. That pipeline was already under construction and key to enabling Canada to export products. With Canada's exports strangled, the Irish question won't be top of Bidens agenda. We already trade with the US, so whats' the problem, who wants hormone enhanced beef and chicken anyway?.
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04/02/2021 12:56:02 22 2
bbc
That went well then!
32
04/02/2021 12:56:19 73 23
bbc
We know BoJo doesn’t do detail, and CoVID rules don’t apply to him either.
50
04/02/2021 12:58:48 32 78
bbc
Oh the moaners hate mongers are back. ??
1
04/02/2021 12:50:07 21 42
bbc
'the UK government wrote to the EU, calling for temporary lighter enforcement of the rules to be extended until early 2023'

It looks like, yet again , it's the EU that are being awkward
33
04/02/2021 12:56:28 15 2
bbc
The UK wanted to leave and all the problems that are now rising to the surface are of our own making. Why should the EU now offer "special treatment" to the UK?
7
04/02/2021 12:52:09 82 278
bbc
Rubbish
34
04/02/2021 12:56:40 67 3
bbc
In what way precisely is this 'rubbish'? Was it someone other than the Prime Minister who was in charge of negotiating the deal that placed a border between two parts of the United Kingdom?
35
04/02/2021 12:57:00 7 18
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It really is in their interest to leave the EU.
114
04/02/2021 13:06:54 2 3
bbc
Yes but I doubt the UK wants the bother off having all of the island of Ireland to look after again.
221
04/02/2021 13:21:35 0 1
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Who are you referring to as 'their'?
426
SJ
04/02/2021 13:43:43 0 1
bbc
Why ?
838
04/02/2021 14:25:24 0 1
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With that much brain power at work you must rest your self for your next breath. Such stoopidity in one remark - you should not be allowed near anything which could electrocute you (sorry.. big word..my bad) hurt you. Really you shouldnt bother with your 'insightful' commentary as everyone on this board is now dumber for having read it !!!
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04/02/2021 12:57:00 278 34
bbc
The NI issue is still the same as it has been since the insanity of a hard Brexit was embarked on by the Tories. There are only 3 options:
1) Stay in single market & customs union
2) Have a hard border on the island of Ireland between NI and the rest
3) Have a customs & regulatory border in the Irish Sea
No amount of complaining, wind or rhetoric can get around this.
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04/02/2021 13:03:54 239 31
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4) United Ireland

Interesting how Arlene Foster objects to the current solution (3) but doesn't suggest what to replace it with.
96
04/02/2021 13:04:03 8 33
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There is not such thing as hard Brexit. There is only Brexit or remain with no say
318
04/02/2021 13:32:23 8 1
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Back to backstop?
344
04/02/2021 13:34:37 10 49
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No amount of Remoaner complaining, wind, ore rhetoric will get around the fact that we have left the EU and we will not be returning. The EU represents insanity as it is now showing.
420
SJ
04/02/2021 13:43:10 22 2
bbc
Yes you are right. But remember, brexit is "not about having a plan". So don't expect logic to prevail.
955
04/02/2021 14:36:13 2 5
bbc
The will never be a 'hard border' between NI and Ireland form the sheer fact that there is a separate free movement agreement in place between the UK and Ireland that hasn't anything to do with the EU. The argument that the GFA states there should be no border is also false. The GFA doe snot mention anything about a border.
ajc
04/02/2021 15:01:57 9 1
bbc
It’s really not that hard, is it? But too hard for the DUP, unless they’re a bunch of untrustworthy charlatans, of course.
04/02/2021 15:45:50 9 0
bbc
option 4) Rejoin the EU
04/02/2021 15:56:17 1 5
bbc
we supposedly live in free market conditions - its the path most western governments have followed since the 70s at least. But how can you have free markets and a single market? All this there is no solution is rubbish. Its protectionism pure and simple by the EU essentially claiming territory when it is not even a nation as such. Land and power in the hands of individuals or cabals....
04/02/2021 16:31:06 2 0
bbc
Single market and customs union is the best option. It isn't just goods traveling between GB and NI that are having problems. The mountain of admin and red tape GB is now experiencing on imports/exports to the EU is utter lunacy.

Bank of England think our economy will bounce back this year. But they're deluding themselves. All the difficulties with EU trade will damage our economy.
04/02/2021 18:22:59 3 0
bbc
Or Reunification. As I see it...logic dictates that will be the long term solution...changing demographics will ensure that happens.
04/02/2021 19:30:32 2 1
bbc
or a (4) Option - both the UK and the RoI as mature democracies and friendly neighbours could agree no Customs barriers on the relatively small amount of trade across the UK/RoI border! But RoI can't because it doesn't control its borders, its Customs, its trade - all delegated to EU (proves the point of leaving really)
04/02/2021 21:46:56 0 2
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The much talked about Good Friday Agreement DOES NOT PREVENT A BORDER ON THE ISLAND!!!! PERIOD!!! The ONLY REFERENCE TO THE "BORDER" IS A REFERENCE TO "DEMILITARISE"......that is, remove army lookout posts and soldiers. Customs border, trade border, any border IS PERMITTED. Ireland LIED, Sinn Fein LIED, the EU LIED......."to protect peace" they bleated........this is what they have done!!
3
04/02/2021 12:50:54 297 79
bbc
This is aproblem solely caused by Johnson and his hard Brexit. Don't blame the EU.
37
04/02/2021 12:57:08 53 3
bbc
wrong there. He was helped along by those that were idiotic enough to vote for him as he spun his lies, helped along by the DUP party.
38
04/02/2021 12:57:11 127 30
bbc
NI is part of the UK. It should not be up to anyone else to control internal trade. Germany would scream loudly if we put borders around Bavaria, France would ignore requests to put borders around Bordeaux.
Ultimately though, this is what most sensible people thought brexit would mean.
Only the gullible actually thought this would improve fishing, open trade routes and stop immigrants !
48
04/02/2021 12:58:37 70 32
bbc
Not for long it’s not.
101
04/02/2021 13:04:33 17 3
bbc
Tell boris and gove! They created the chaos!
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xlr
04/02/2021 13:17:33 25 1
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>NI is part of the UK. It should not be up to anyone else to control internal trade.

Under normal circumstances no, but then NI is not a normal country is it? How many other countries have a border guaranteed open by treaty and the ability to have dual citizenship without a problem?
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04/02/2021 13:24:19 15 2
bbc
NI is part of the UK...
But the UK Prime Minister and UK Parliament voted for it - or had you missed that? Big Hoo Haa at the end of last year. WA and all that. Was on the news.
Strange...
702
04/02/2021 14:13:35 12 1
bbc
Johnson's fantastic deal remember. Don't try to muddy the waters.
04/02/2021 17:25:36 2 0
bbc
Monkey

Our glorious leader agreed to this, and lauded it as a wonderful deal.

He also lied that it involved no paperwork.
04/02/2021 19:57:10 1 0
bbc
I think you should go to Armagh & Tyrone and tell them that you own their land, all the best
04/02/2021 23:28:30 2 1
bbc
the north was stolen from the rest of Ireland by the british and to please unionists never once taking into account how the oppressed catholic population felt and what is wrong with immigrants they contribute a lot sometimes for little in return but we need them to do some of the jobs others will not do for less money
05/02/2021 15:13:43 0 0
bbc
There were no "troubles" at France or Germany and also no GFA needed to keep peace with Bavaria.
Without GFA, easy to put a normal border between NI and IRL. With... nobody knows. Should have been considered before Brexit?
39
04/02/2021 12:57:16 6 3
bbc
Buy pints of Guinness and have a good time with all of our Irish friends.
83
04/02/2021 13:02:41 2 1
bbc
Have another pint!
15
04/02/2021 12:54:09 13 11
bbc
Another reason for a Reunited Ireland. Unionists who don't like it can move to Scotland, West Falkland, St Kilda or Rockall.
40
PJ
04/02/2021 12:57:16 13 4
bbc
Except Scotland doesn't want them. Besides Scotland might be soon independent as well.
513
04/02/2021 13:53:32 1 2
bbc
Better hurry up before a flood of no voting unionists swing the vote after relocating to their 'cultural ' homeland
41
04/02/2021 12:57:51 296 69
bbc
Yet again the British Government signed up to something and then tried to backpedal on it. A diplomatic screw-up in Brussels (which was quickly rectified) does not give the Boris Johnson the right to demand the EU do whatever the DUP wants.
84
04/02/2021 13:02:41 132 80
bbc
The UK government is not demanding, they are seeking talks to find a better solution.
274
04/02/2021 13:28:08 7 43
bbc
Pity you don't read the foreign press in other languages - you might see the total screw ups that the EU commit daily and their blackmailing of countries that do not follow their precise instructions (sorry, dictats).
292
04/02/2021 13:30:35 6 33
bbc
It was the EU who first wanted to backpedal on the Protocol.. Have you forgotten that?
565
04/02/2021 13:57:57 1 24
bbc
Actually that is wrong. The EU demonstrated that article 16 can be triggered for trivial, or indeed, no reason at all. So that is what we should do. Trigger A 16 and then close the border with the Irish Republic. See how they get on
04/02/2021 16:41:50 5 1
bbc
You're absolutely right - but try telling that to a jeering, frothing Brexiteer. They aren't known for being able to see both sides of an issue.
04/02/2021 18:27:44 0 4
bbc
please move to a EU country you`ll be happy there living under its
dictatorship
16
04/02/2021 12:54:10 384 71
bbc
This "Taking back control" lark looks very like "Giving up control"!
42
04/02/2021 12:58:11 175 39
bbc
That's exactly right.
354
04/02/2021 13:36:07 0 30
bbc
We have control of the vaccine
04/02/2021 17:02:55 2 1
bbc
Yous are being gaslighted by NI unionists in Parliament.
27
04/02/2021 12:55:47 129 45
bbc
Reunite Ireland. Leave.UK
43
04/02/2021 12:58:13 66 138
bbc
Reunite Ireland with the rest of the UK.
56
04/02/2021 12:59:45 51 10
bbc
English nationalism gone mad
133
xlr
04/02/2021 13:10:12 54 6
bbc
Why on God's green earth would the Irish want to give up their sovereignty, hard won after years of oppression and a dirty civil war, to join Borisland?
996
04/02/2021 14:40:29 16 3
bbc
You couldn't afford the fall out, son....or produce enough body bags.
04/02/2021 16:27:02 6 1
bbc
God forbid!
04/02/2021 16:59:25 2 2
bbc
Yes. Best way to do that (probably the only way) is for UK to join the single market. It would solve a LOT of problems.
04/02/2021 19:06:16 2 0
bbc
Ah, such nostalgia........... only to walk down Sackville Street in Dublin again, walk along the sea front in Kingstown and bring back the RIC! Why not have the C'hurch of Ireland as the re-established church in Ireland again, and re-introduce tithes? Sweet God, i give up. I have totally lost it. Baked mackerel with oven chips and peas tonight, with whiskey after.....or two, or three!!!!
04/02/2021 23:32:04 3 0
bbc
if you are referring to the republic then you are living in fairyland too many gave their lives to free Ireland
44
04/02/2021 12:58:14 9 9
bbc
The EU doesn't do messy compromise, in a way it can't because it's already a huge set of conflicting demands and pressures from 27 countries - being a massive bureaucracy it prefers to tie everything down tight, and then resists change. Ref: Vaccines for an example.
45
04/02/2021 12:58:24 2 9
bbc
I agree totally. Now if anyone of left leaning persuasion could upvote me please.
46
04/02/2021 12:58:29 182 27
bbc
45 year old from NI here. Brexit was always going to cause hassle. These little Englanders have no idea what they have done. No good trying to understand it. I still don't fully understand it and I was born here.
379
04/02/2021 13:39:06 29 157
bbc
We understand that you lost the Referendum vote and still oppose a democratic and independent UK.
490
04/02/2021 13:50:41 7 49
bbc
I was born in England and there are no little Englanders, only little Scottish, Welsh, and Republican nationalists.
04/02/2021 23:19:03 1 1
bbc
the little Englanders never did have a clue to their actions they still think their in an empire
05/02/2021 17:43:42 0 1
bbc
Frankly, they neither understand nor like this place. The only saving grace is they dislike the Scots even more.
47
04/02/2021 12:58:30 10 6
bbc
there you have 100% proof Boris has no control over UK Ports or Borders

all he surrendered to the EU without batting an eye lid

Goes a long way to explain the huge death rate in the UK

and his total refusal to protect UK ports and Borders
38
04/02/2021 12:57:11 127 30
bbc
NI is part of the UK. It should not be up to anyone else to control internal trade. Germany would scream loudly if we put borders around Bavaria, France would ignore requests to put borders around Bordeaux.
Ultimately though, this is what most sensible people thought brexit would mean.
Only the gullible actually thought this would improve fishing, open trade routes and stop immigrants !
48
04/02/2021 12:58:37 70 32
bbc
Not for long it’s not.
424
04/02/2021 13:43:35 7 25
bbc
There is no chance of a united Ireland. The Republic could not cope with it, and they don't even want a million angry Unionists in their country.
04/02/2021 15:21:05 0 0
bbc
Yeah. A process that should take several years to make sure that voters are fully informed will be dismissed in favour of a hand-on-heart ballot.
04/02/2021 16:45:31 3 3
bbc
There is more chance of Ireland rejoining the UK than a United Ireland:-) Dream on.
27
04/02/2021 12:55:47 129 45
bbc
Reunite Ireland. Leave.UK
49
04/02/2021 12:58:47 15 53
bbc
Or the other way round, Ireland rejoin UK!
Ireland can't afford themselves never mind the North, and the EU isn't exactly helping them...
372
04/02/2021 13:37:58 12 8
bbc
As the EU tax haven of all of the big tech companies Ireland actually does pretty well. To be honest, I’m surprised that the EU aren’t trying to force them out to stop them skimming the tech tax of the 99%.
443
04/02/2021 13:45:59 25 3
bbc
Cant stop laughing mate..such a childish statement
04/02/2021 14:42:27 30 3
bbc
Ireland has the 4th highest GDP per capita in the world...about 21 places ahead of the UK. Go look it up.

Sorry, but Irish people don't wish to be part of a dysfunctional and intolerant society with an economy in reverse gear.
04/02/2021 15:09:20 14 1
bbc
The ROI has been a net contributor to the EU, every year, since 2014. Kind of makes a nonsense of your 'can't afford themselves' claptrap, innit??
32
04/02/2021 12:56:19 73 23
bbc
We know BoJo doesn’t do detail, and CoVID rules don’t apply to him either.
50
04/02/2021 12:58:48 32 78
bbc
Oh the moaners hate mongers are back. ??
350
04/02/2021 13:35:36 13 1
bbc
Congratulations on proving Thatcher right! Ignore the subject or start name calling and you have lost the argument, and all credibility. Own it!
518
04/02/2021 13:53:45 10 1
bbc
Its the brexiteers who are moaning..duh!
721
04/02/2021 14:15:59 6 1
bbc
What does Johnson have to do before some people desert him.
966
04/02/2021 14:37:19 6 1
bbc
Moaning about Johnson’s deal which Johnson is also moaning about
51
04/02/2021 12:58:51 8 10
bbc
The EU has shown that the protocol doesn’t have to change. We can jut invoke Article 16, and we’ve got no intention of setting up a hard border with the Republic.
103
04/02/2021 13:04:40 7 1
bbc
United Ireland is next, DUP are finished many of my friends who in past past called themselves British no longer want to remain part of this Un-United Kingdom
270
04/02/2021 13:27:33 0 1
bbc
The EU has shown...
Please clarify - who is the 'we' you refer to?
Or is that just 'You'
480
SJ
04/02/2021 13:49:37 0 1
bbc
Then there will be a hard border anyway, so you will have failed on your wn terms.
29
04/02/2021 12:55:58 14 22
bbc
Irish ministers still under the delusion that Ireland’s voice counts for anything within the EU.
52
04/02/2021 12:58:58 12 7
bbc
and it does also carries weight with Biden so wise up and look at the real culprit ie Johnson
81
04/02/2021 13:02:31 0 5
bbc
Biden won’t be around long and I don’t think that the GFA will much register with Harris
112
04/02/2021 13:06:02 0 6
bbc
What is Biden going to do exactly, hit them with his Zimmer frame
53
04/02/2021 12:59:01 53 12
bbc
Small beer compared to what’ll hit the fan when London Money won’t be able to deal in the EU. Still it’s what the Brexies wanted.
05/02/2021 09:46:46 1 5
bbc
More loser talk.
54
04/02/2021 12:59:14 8 15
bbc
Coveney ... oh yes it will and you won't be able to do anything about it except build your border always said it was the EU that would mess this up and they have.
86
04/02/2021 13:03:08 9 1
bbc
Nope. Can't be changed unilaterally.
161
04/02/2021 13:13:35 2 1
bbc
Not a hope my good man
21
04/02/2021 12:54:58 11 28
bbc
I am a Brexit supporter, but the NI Protocol is a mess, and Johnson should never have agreed to an internal border in the UK. If we cannot agree with the EU a way to improve the Protocol, we should do what the EU threatened to do and override it.
Remember, Boris was first to threaten that once he realized that his deal wasn't as oven ready as he proclaimed. No doubt he would have carried out his threat if the orange idiot had won a second term in November. Biden shoveled a heap load of realism down his throat and he soon backed down. Removed
43
04/02/2021 12:58:13 66 138
bbc
Reunite Ireland with the rest of the UK.
56
04/02/2021 12:59:45 51 10
bbc
English nationalism gone mad
04/02/2021 15:01:42 4 1
bbc
It's what passes for wit in England.
27
04/02/2021 12:55:47 129 45
bbc
Reunite Ireland. Leave.UK
57
04/02/2021 12:59:47 43 14
bbc
So right.

Same for all the Celtic Nations.

Leave the English in the mess they made.
04/02/2021 14:59:25 8 3
bbc
Whilst I definitely understand this position.... Can I just point out that Wales doesn't get to hold their head high on this one. The Wales vote was for leave by almost the same margin as England.
1
04/02/2021 12:50:07 21 42
bbc
'the UK government wrote to the EU, calling for temporary lighter enforcement of the rules to be extended until early 2023'

It looks like, yet again , it's the EU that are being awkward
58
04/02/2021 12:59:54 10 1
bbc
Who created the border?
14
04/02/2021 12:53:43 6 11
bbc
Pity that threats of violent action should influence decisions! I cannot get my head
around the animosity between Protestants and Catholics in Norther Ireland! I cannot imagine such a divide existing in any other part of the UK. Oh! Scots Nats and the English maybe!
59
04/02/2021 12:59:56 6 1
bbc
You obviously haven't been out and about in the West of Scotland much! I live here and the fact that 2 supposedly "Christian" sects are still squabbling over their same? beliefs and things that happened years amazes me. Religion has a lot to answer for!
6
04/02/2021 12:52:07 658 151
bbc
This is Boris Johnson's Problem and it's up to him to own it. He negotiated the deal. he hailed it as a great success. He clearly did't read the small print.
60
04/02/2021 13:00:00 100 7
bbc
"UK Steel said it was "likely" that export quotas for some products would run out in the first quarter of this year - meaning exports would face a 25% tariff." - BBC. If Johnson did any negotiation he didnt understand what he was agreeing to. Or did he just lie about no tariffs or quotas?
04/02/2021 15:57:23 10 0
bbc
Probably. He lies about everything else. Been sacked twice for lying. Perhaps a 3rd sacking is on the way soon?
61
04/02/2021 13:00:04 15 10
bbc
If only the UK had a single politician of the calibre of Mr Coveney.
75
04/02/2021 13:01:55 3 5
bbc
you clearly have a short memory
62
04/02/2021 13:00:15 13 20
bbc
It's an EU requirement that there must be checks on goods coming into their bloc, therefore they have caused the border (wherever it is located).

I say we just remove this pointless sea border, and if the EU insist that there needs to be one between NI and RoI then let them implement one - see how popular they are then.
85
04/02/2021 13:02:47 16 2
bbc
Doesn't matter what you say. The Irish Sea border was agreed between both parties, so it can't be changed without agreement from both parties.
139
04/02/2021 13:11:12 5 1
bbc
Yeah, because the brexiters never wanted to control our borders did they?
225
04/02/2021 13:21:50 3 1
bbc
Where would you put the border then? Surely there has to be one. Most Brexiteers shouted loudly that they wanted the right for the UK to control its own border. If the EU dropped their 'requirement', who would have control over that border? Are you saying the UK doesn't want control and would be happy to accept free movement of goods and people across it...or are you just a bit confused?
Who cares?
63
04/02/2021 13:00:17 5 1
bbc
You do ,enough to right , who cares.
64
04/02/2021 13:00:21 264 30
bbc
DUP getting very worried. Brexit, the NI protocol, a growing desire for a border referendum, a soon to be majority nationalist population, the principle of consent, potential Scottish Independence, English nationalist torries ambivalent to NI, an American-Irish President of USA, ....... I wonder where all this is leading??????? I think the DUP know exactly where this is leading.
106
04/02/2021 13:04:58 205 32
bbc
I think Loyalism is going to realise the jig is up but obviously won't acknowledge it & will kick & scream to the end. As an Englishman (Irish kids!) I was agnostic on the constitutional issue until Brexit. I'd vote for a UI in a heartbeat now.
352
04/02/2021 13:35:52 14 44
bbc
Neither Scotland nor Northern Ireland will leave the UK. Neither of these places will prosper without English subsidy.
361
Stu
04/02/2021 13:36:59 29 11
bbc
I've said for a long time -- "Welcome to the United Kingdom of England and Wales"

Fortunately I'm half English and half Scottish by birth, and looking forward to getting a new passport from Edinburgh soon.
369
04/02/2021 13:37:41 30 10
bbc
Yes, both Eire and the UK need to start planning for reunification. The Republic will struggle for a decade to absorb the North (just as West Germany had problems absorbing the former DDR); the UK will no longer have to subsidise Northern Ireland, but will probably have to cope with an influx of Unionist 'refugees' moving to the UK. I'm not looking forward to them bringing their bigotry here.
393
04/02/2021 13:40:28 8 15
bbc
Good job then that dublin, apart from sf, don't want a united ireland either.
399
04/02/2021 13:41:02 11 7
bbc
Looks like Northern Ireland, for all intents and purposes, is just a part of Ireland as the Unionists' preferred name would suggest. The only practical reason for being a part of the UK is so that Arlene gets a good night's sleep after she kisses her union Jack pillow. It's time to get Arlene on the sleeping pills so we can move forward. Otherwise we'll just continue blundering ourselves.
04/02/2021 15:00:04 0 0
bbc
= Civil War in Northern Ireland
04/02/2021 16:36:13 1 0
bbc
DUP only have themselves to blame. They voted for this. In fact for a while they had the UK government eating out of their hand as they held them in power.

They could have really achieved things for NI. Instead, they sold out for a few pieces of silver, and promoted a hard Brexit.

They could end up paying a high price for that complete lack of vision.
04/02/2021 21:53:26 1 0
bbc
Only people talking about referrendum.....is Sinn Fein, ordinary people WANT TO LIVE!!! You seem to assume all "catholics" are nationalists and are COMPLETELY WRONG to say it'll soon be a "nationalist population". Don't give a damn about sleepy Joe, he'll do whats right for America...not Ireland!! Anything else or is that you?
04/02/2021 23:12:11 0 0
bbc
exactly that is the point there is growing desire for irish unity a majority nationalist population and here in scoland despite what the right-wing will tell you there is a huge desire for independence and I think it is great there is a president of irish heritage now lets hope he has some influence the DUPcannot stand any of this
17
04/02/2021 12:54:20 30 6
bbc
The UK had the chance to ask for an extension last year, but the Tories chose not to because it would have made their Brexiter base angry. They chose popularity over practicality. It's not the EU's job to rescue them from the consequences of their stupid decisions.
65
04/02/2021 13:00:27 8 1
bbc
Exactly.
66
04/02/2021 13:00:28 10 19
bbc
Mr Coveney is never short of a quote when it comes to the UK but he was strangely quiet last week when the EU imposed a hard border.
Does he only have a point of view when he is briefed by his EU masters ?
77
04/02/2021 13:01:59 13 4
bbc
The EU didn't impose a hard border. You are telling porkies again.
82
04/02/2021 13:02:34 5 1
bbc
Listening to NI Loyalists squirm and spit and blame everyone else for Brexit and the Irish see border is pathetic. On one hand they're quoting the GFA (which they didn't vote for) and the principle of consent and in the next they're telling us Brexit was a UK wide vote! The DUP & Brexiteers are responsible for this disaster. OWN IT
110
04/02/2021 13:05:40 8 1
bbc
They didn't actually invoke article 16 but keep on spreading your Gammon fantasies like a good little Brexit sheep.
117
04/02/2021 13:07:14 7 1
bbc
I think that you’ll find that the EU quickly withdrew their Article 16 proposal when it was pointed out to them that it would undermine the Northern Ireland Protocol.
140
04/02/2021 13:11:24 6 1
bbc
They did not impose a border. They suggested it may happened but recoiled before doing so. As opposed to boris putting the breaking of an International treaty into a bill that passed through Parliament.
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Rob
04/02/2021 13:18:44 0 1
bbc
No, his one aim is a single Ireland. No ifs and no buts!!!!!
289
04/02/2021 13:30:09 1 1
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Yorkie
You really don't have a clue do you?
18
04/02/2021 12:54:41 467 104
bbc
That is as it should be. Boris signed up for this: It was his Oven Ready Deal. It's his cake, so he must now eat it. There is no point Brexiteers weeping salty tears over this as this is exactly what they voted for. They supposedly, knew what they were voting for. Needless to say, #WeToldThemSo. now all I will say in Brxiteers, you won, get over it.
67
04/02/2021 13:00:32 257 22
bbc
What you need to understand is that many in Northern Ireland voted to remain, so saying that they should get over it, is unfair to say the least.

Many who voted leave were based in England, so the Irish border was not an factor in how they voted.

However, it is in the best interests of Northern Ireland, for the UK to have discussions with the EU, to come up with a workable solution
89
04/02/2021 13:03:28 63 12
bbc
Oh I totally agree, my comments are aim at the Brexiteers who are now whining at the realities of Boris's rather inedible cake.
260
04/02/2021 13:26:25 62 4
bbc
The dup campaigned to leave ,they have to take their share of responsibility ,after all "they knew what they were voting for"
266
04/02/2021 13:27:04 24 28
bbc
I voted leave and don't live in England What I didn't vote for was a border down the Irish Sea which is the problem
464
04/02/2021 13:48:26 17 2
bbc
And keep the DUP well away from any talks, they are a disaster the greed party
559
04/02/2021 13:57:23 1 24
bbc
The best workable solution here is a united Ireland. I don't mean, however, that Ulster votes to join the Republic but that the Republic is abolished & we return to the position pre-1922 where the British Isles were a single entity. Now give them devolution by all means but with Westminster holding the purse strings. To avoid controversy remake Armagh the capital of Ireland as it once was.
576
04/02/2021 13:58:58 18 1
bbc
You are absolutely correct of course, the vast majority of NI voted to remain in the EU and with good reason. However, Ms. Foster and her associates were very much pro-Brexit in parliament having done a deal with Theresa May's government after the disastrous (for the Tories) general election in 2017.

They rather naively walked into this situation and now here we are.
788
04/02/2021 14:21:14 7 1
bbc
Unfortunately understanding things is not your average UK voters strong point.
908
04/02/2021 14:31:53 5 1
bbc
The dup are leavers
04/02/2021 14:41:01 4 1
bbc
The EU have no incentive to renegotiate it.
04/02/2021 15:00:45 7 1
bbc
Is that not what the negotiations were about, Just because we had clowns representing the UK, We signed the deal we should have to live with it. Maybe it will teach us a lesson to us to research thing instead of falling for soundbites.
04/02/2021 15:05:52 7 0
bbc
I'm afraid that generally speaking, the Brits have become an angry vindictive nation. Brexiteers were so naïve about the EU.
24
04/02/2021 12:55:23 8 19
bbc
Or remainer hate narratives like stereotyping all leavers racists and/or nationalists.
68
04/02/2021 13:00:46 3 1
bbc
Aren't they?
21
04/02/2021 12:54:58 11 28
bbc
I am a Brexit supporter, but the NI Protocol is a mess, and Johnson should never have agreed to an internal border in the UK. If we cannot agree with the EU a way to improve the Protocol, we should do what the EU threatened to do and override it.
69
04/02/2021 13:00:54 1 4
bbc
Perhaps he recognised it to be an issue that would not be resolved in a single event but over a longer period when the problems are revealed! Pragmatic concessions from both sides should resolve the outstanding issues! On the other hand, perhaps the EU still thinks playing awkward will support any Rejoin campaign there may be! In the meantime it is for Liz Truss to generate opportunities!
70
04/02/2021 13:00:55 10 6
bbc
Bring on the Border Poll and hope we here in the real UK get a say. Most here cannot wait to offload that deplorable place. DUP kept TWO PM's in power both shafted them and yet the look all around for who to blame, comical beyond belief. Some regions dont deserve Democracy especially if it facilitates the likes of Jurassic continually sending the political dregs here to contaminate our Parliament
258
04/02/2021 13:04:07 0 1
bbc
Whatever you say, Ursula.
267
04/02/2021 13:27:27 0 1
bbc
The thing is the UK dont want the NI unionists and the ROI dont want them either, I dont feel sorry them as they have made one misjudgement after another. Its a real problem for both governments as at some point they may well likely become refugees in the literal sense, when NI votes to join the ROI, they will either need to assimilate or be relocated and I think it will be the latter.
15
04/02/2021 12:54:09 13 11
bbc
Another reason for a Reunited Ireland. Unionists who don't like it can move to Scotland, West Falkland, St Kilda or Rockall.
71
04/02/2021 13:01:33 1 2
bbc
No they can move to London
15
04/02/2021 12:54:09 13 11
bbc
Another reason for a Reunited Ireland. Unionists who don't like it can move to Scotland, West Falkland, St Kilda or Rockall.
72
04/02/2021 13:01:37 8 1
bbc
Can you imagine that Brexit never happened ?

Right now, we would all be getting along fine, and people would be less stressed about it all, and no disruption due to port issues ettc.
73
04/02/2021 13:01:53 20 1
bbc
Another UK Government deal to just kick the problem down the road when they knew all along that it was unworkable. Just to get the job done. I have had trades people to my house who have done that. They never get invited back!
74
04/02/2021 13:01:55 52 12
bbc
Listening to NI Loyalists squirm and spit and blame everyone else for Brexit and the Irish see border is pathetic. On one hand they're quoting the GFA (which they didn't vote for) and the principle of consent and in the next they're telling us Brexit was a UK wide vote! The DUP & Brexiteers are responsible for this disaster. OWN IT
105
04/02/2021 13:04:56 6 25
bbc
Calm down and breath slowly, isn't that better....
05/02/2021 07:18:23 1 0
bbc
Highlighted the DUP’s relentless hypocrisy in a nutshell. Heaven knows how these flat earthers manage to DUPe so many so easily and so frequently in the 21st century........
61
04/02/2021 13:00:04 15 10
bbc
If only the UK had a single politician of the calibre of Mr Coveney.
75
04/02/2021 13:01:55 3 5
bbc
you clearly have a short memory
953
04/02/2021 14:36:02 0 1
bbc
No brains whatsoever in Johnson's cabinet.
76
04/02/2021 13:01:58 8 2
bbc
if it aint working ,why not fix it ?
127
04/02/2021 13:08:36 7 1
bbc
If only JRM and co had allowed scrutiny!
66
04/02/2021 13:00:28 10 19
bbc
Mr Coveney is never short of a quote when it comes to the UK but he was strangely quiet last week when the EU imposed a hard border.
Does he only have a point of view when he is briefed by his EU masters ?
77
04/02/2021 13:01:59 13 4
bbc
The EU didn't impose a hard border. You are telling porkies again.
109
04/02/2021 13:05:19 0 6
bbc
They did, albeit very briefly, last Friday before withdrawing. Please go educate yourself. You're better than this.
14
04/02/2021 12:53:43 6 11
bbc
Pity that threats of violent action should influence decisions! I cannot get my head
around the animosity between Protestants and Catholics in Norther Ireland! I cannot imagine such a divide existing in any other part of the UK. Oh! Scots Nats and the English maybe!
78
04/02/2021 13:02:13 3 1
bbc
The Scots don't hate the English. Grow up. We are inter-related as families. Like many parts of England they hate Westminster
79
04/02/2021 13:02:18 13 7
bbc
This is all just a classic example of DUP using the threat of violence to rescue their poll numbers - which have plummeted since their voters have finally realised what the DUP's ridiculous policy on Brexit has led them into.
Removed
8
04/02/2021 12:53:07 36 9
bbc
Boris border blunder
80
04/02/2021 13:02:22 32 6
bbc
No. It’s not a blunder but rather a calculated move by (another) deceitful British PM, proving yet again the British should never, ever be trusted with regards to Ireland. And it’s called the Foster Frontier in honour of the DUP leader who made it happen. Bring on the Border Poll #think32
52
04/02/2021 12:58:58 12 7
bbc
and it does also carries weight with Biden so wise up and look at the real culprit ie Johnson
81
04/02/2021 13:02:31 0 5
bbc
Biden won’t be around long and I don’t think that the GFA will much register with Harris
66
04/02/2021 13:00:28 10 19
bbc
Mr Coveney is never short of a quote when it comes to the UK but he was strangely quiet last week when the EU imposed a hard border.
Does he only have a point of view when he is briefed by his EU masters ?
82
04/02/2021 13:02:34 5 1
bbc
Listening to NI Loyalists squirm and spit and blame everyone else for Brexit and the Irish see border is pathetic. On one hand they're quoting the GFA (which they didn't vote for) and the principle of consent and in the next they're telling us Brexit was a UK wide vote! The DUP & Brexiteers are responsible for this disaster. OWN IT
39
04/02/2021 12:57:16 6 3
bbc
Buy pints of Guinness and have a good time with all of our Irish friends.
83
04/02/2021 13:02:41 2 1
bbc
Have another pint!
41
04/02/2021 12:57:51 296 69
bbc
Yet again the British Government signed up to something and then tried to backpedal on it. A diplomatic screw-up in Brussels (which was quickly rectified) does not give the Boris Johnson the right to demand the EU do whatever the DUP wants.
84
04/02/2021 13:02:41 132 80
bbc
The UK government is not demanding, they are seeking talks to find a better solution.
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xlr
04/02/2021 13:11:51 45 3
bbc
What were the earlier talks for? The ones that lasted almost two years?
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Mal
04/02/2021 13:21:44 15 18
bbc
You’re wasting your time trying to make sensible points.
254
04/02/2021 13:25:38 8 2
bbc
There is a process built into the WA to do that. It should be used. Mr. Gove is the uK representative to it I believe.
492
04/02/2021 13:50:45 0 3
bbc
FS more talking
636
04/02/2021 14:06:55 19 3
bbc
Why should the EU fall over backwards to help Johnson and the DUP. They are responsible for this situation. Tough.
792
04/02/2021 14:21:24 9 2
bbc
They signed up for the current conditions. You would be screaming, as shown by the short EU vaccination bruhaha, if the EU decided to alter the terms.
880
04/02/2021 14:28:55 11 2
bbc
They may be seeking a better solution and it is right that they do as this effects normal hard working people and the lives of everyone in Ireland.

We must still hold them to account, however, for trumpeting an oven ready deal and then trade agreement that fudge a binary issue. There is a border across Ireland or there is a border in the sea. It's one or the other.
04/02/2021 14:52:18 14 2
bbc
They talked for 4 long years and the best solution was heralded by Boris only 6 weeks ago on Christmas Eve.

The British even refused a continued extension offered by the EU and this is probably what Gove is asking for after turning it down... Update... It is ??
04/02/2021 14:53:58 11 2
bbc
Perhaps they should have thought about it before sacrificing NI on the tory alter of brexit. They were useless then and have proven incompetence every step of the way since.
04/02/2021 16:27:18 7 1
bbc
A solution to a deal they signed up to less than two months ago!

Is this staggering incompetence or what?
TV
04/02/2021 16:27:23 5 1
bbc
Why could no one negotiating forsee this mess a few weeks ago? They balls it up completely Frost should be sacked and have no further involvement in Brexit. Clearly out of his depth
04/02/2021 17:03:14 4 1
bbc
That would be the UK Government who said everything was sorted, it was a fantastic deal. Johnson, Gove and Frost are blatant liars. Gove has the nerve to point out all the problems, someone please show him videos where he has said the opposite. The man is beyond belief, just how many lies do him and Johnson have to tell before being judged to have broken the Ministerial Code.
04/02/2021 17:42:48 2 1
bbc
"The UK government is not demanding, they are seeking talks to find a better solution."

Theresa Mays solution solved all of these problems, the UK started off with a better solution and decided to make it worse!
05/02/2021 01:16:26 2 0
bbc
After Gove bragged about what a great NI solution he'd signed with the EU in December 2020?

Your faith is touching
62
04/02/2021 13:00:15 13 20
bbc
It's an EU requirement that there must be checks on goods coming into their bloc, therefore they have caused the border (wherever it is located).

I say we just remove this pointless sea border, and if the EU insist that there needs to be one between NI and RoI then let them implement one - see how popular they are then.
85
04/02/2021 13:02:47 16 2
bbc
Doesn't matter what you say. The Irish Sea border was agreed between both parties, so it can't be changed without agreement from both parties.
120
04/02/2021 13:07:26 0 4
bbc
No, that's incorrect. Either side could invoke Article 16, as the EU did briefly last week.
54
04/02/2021 12:59:14 8 15
bbc
Coveney ... oh yes it will and you won't be able to do anything about it except build your border always said it was the EU that would mess this up and they have.
86
04/02/2021 13:03:08 9 1
bbc
Nope. Can't be changed unilaterally.
87
04/02/2021 13:03:21 6 2
bbc
The DUP need to stand up to the paramilitaries of the Unionists. If the UK/EU give in, then further threats will continue.
No changes as boris and Gove in particular as he was personally involved, declined an extension last year because they wanted control of laws and borders.
88
04/02/2021 13:03:22 184 20
bbc
Boris signed up to this. It is the agreement which he hailed as a great result. He must now stand by the Northern Ireland Protocol and the Withdrawal Agreement. A united Ireland is now well and truly on the cards. Arlene and her mates have been sold down the river by Boris. Isn’t this what the ERG voted for....Brexit, it just keeps giving and giving and giving. Scottish independence next....
306
04/02/2021 13:09:38 11 15
bbc
Yes minister ...
455
04/02/2021 13:47:34 4 27
bbc
Well done, you managed to include every Remoaner cliche in one paragraph. How disappointed you UK-haters will be when your predictions do not happen.

Remainer complaining, it never stops.
04/02/2021 15:06:24 3 11
bbc
Perhaps Ireland will leave e.u.as they try to do years ago but were bribe to stay in. Then Ireland would be one country and no borders also if Scotland had left the UK who would had paid there furlough vaccinations bills etc.
04/02/2021 23:17:33 1 0
bbc
lets hope for Scottish independaence soon then and a united Ireland
67
04/02/2021 13:00:32 257 22
bbc
What you need to understand is that many in Northern Ireland voted to remain, so saying that they should get over it, is unfair to say the least.

Many who voted leave were based in England, so the Irish border was not an factor in how they voted.

However, it is in the best interests of Northern Ireland, for the UK to have discussions with the EU, to come up with a workable solution
89
04/02/2021 13:03:28 63 12
bbc
Oh I totally agree, my comments are aim at the Brexiteers who are now whining at the realities of Boris's rather inedible cake.
186
04/02/2021 13:16:42 20 5
bbc
But my point is that, when it comes to Northern Ireland it is not Brexiteers who are moaning but the people who live their.
253
04/02/2021 13:25:38 13 52
bbc
Sorry, seems like it is all remainers who are doing the whining these days.
3
04/02/2021 12:50:54 297 79
bbc
This is aproblem solely caused by Johnson and his hard Brexit. Don't blame the EU.
90
04/02/2021 13:03:41 5 64
bbc
No, this is the for the EU & Ireland to solve. NI left the EU when the rest of the UK did. The EU wants a border with the UK but doesn't want it to be AT the border with the UK & Ireland - so they've fudged the issue.

NI is not in the EU so get used to it. If it means re-negotiating the GFA, then so be it. UK sovereignty is paramount.
126
04/02/2021 13:08:15 58 2
bbc
Sovereignty is paramount - Oh Dear Lord...
Please enlighten me - what is YOUR version of Sovereignty and how will it benefit YOU
212
04/02/2021 13:20:11 55 5
bbc
No AchtungBoy - you do not get to unilaterally tear up the GFA just because you want to - you abide by it - now theres a good boy...you do not hold the sway of opinion now - the north or Ireland six states voted to remain, they voted for the GFA they voted for peace - and given the chance will vote for a UI - so pipe down whilst the adults discuss things - little englunders can have little englund
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04/02/2021 13:26:42 46 3
bbc
Do you know what sovereignty actually means? And is that sovereignty paramount at absolutely any cost?

With this "we created the problem but it's up to the EU to fix it" attitude, the UK is never going to be trusted around the world ever again.
280
04/02/2021 13:28:57 39 4
bbc
NI is not in the EU for now. But I suspect the wheels have now been put in motion for the break up of the UK.
435
04/02/2021 13:45:16 22 1
bbc
It’s the people on the island of Ireland, not the EU, who don’t want a visible border and that’s agreed as per GFA. EU as co-guarantors of the GFA are respecting that, as is UK. Why should the wishes of the Irish north and south be subservient to yours?
658
04/02/2021 14:09:28 20 1
bbc
You spelled it wrong, it's 'sovrrinTea' and it comes with a lump of 'humble pie'. Enjoy!
04/02/2021 15:05:57 17 1
bbc
If NI was where it wanted to be, it would still be in the EU!!!
04/02/2021 16:41:43 6 0
bbc
You need to catch up mate. NI is in the EU single market in order to avoid a land border with ROI. Which everyone agreed was very important. But that means a border down the Irish Sea. If we don't want a border there, then we have to join the single market too (which would solve a LOT of other problems).
04/02/2021 19:42:35 2 0
bbc
"UK sovereignty is paramount."

How many meals do I get for a bucket of sovereignty?
91
04/02/2021 13:03:46 49 10
bbc
This very English Brexit will destroy the voluntary political union once called a United Kingdom as Northern Ireland and Scotland voted agaist any Brexit. End of debate. Unionists, you are going to lose this one as Brexit is proving very expensive. It will lead to Irish Unification and Scottish Independence. Thank you so much Boris and your Unionist Unit of Westminster, England.
137
04/02/2021 13:11:00 14 33
bbc
It was a UK vote not a Scotland vote or a NI vote. More Scottish people voted for Brexit than voted for the SNP
30
04/02/2021 12:56:01 168 44
bbc
Just a reminder, Joe Biden (and a lot of other members of Congress) is Irish American. Anything that impacts the GFA will torpedo a US/UK trade deal which BoJo has said so much about.
92
04/02/2021 13:03:47 73 116
bbc
Indeed, Joe (who has twice as much English in him than Irish) never said a word when the EU were trashing the GFA and imposing a hard border. All very strange.
151
04/02/2021 13:12:36 46 6
bbc
Delusional....

It wasnt the EU that voted for brexit with the cheer of "we are taking back control". If you want to control your borders you need to impose one. So you can't claim its the EU doing this when it was on the brexit manifesto.
155
04/02/2021 13:13:03 41 3
bbc
Funny, he doesn't brag about the English in him.
189
04/02/2021 13:17:15 38 5
bbc
Thats because the EU are a much bigger and more powerful unit. The UK are minnows and of little consequence to the US now. Why would they risk their relationship with the more powerful partner for a trump loving buffoon?
311
04/02/2021 13:31:55 34 7
bbc
When did the EU trash the border? It was the ‘liars of leave’ who wanted to leave the club and state the future proposals.
345
04/02/2021 13:34:38 8 1
bbc
Not really. He knew Micheál had the situation in hand.
04/02/2021 15:25:10 6 0
bbc
Er... the UK voted for Brexit lad. And the Tory's opted for a hard Brexit. And they opted to leave the Customs Union and Single Market. Those actions are what brought a hard border into the conversation and necessitated the NI Protocol...

Or did you forget?
VoR
04/02/2021 15:36:54 1 0
bbc
Because, frankly, he has bigger issues to worry about? But that won't be the case when the US start focusing on a UK trade deal.
04/02/2021 16:55:53 1 0
bbc
The EU have imposed a hard border? Where?
04/02/2021 20:00:02 1 0
bbc
Hahaha you ain't hot a clue have you..Bozo supporter
05/02/2021 01:04:29 0 0
bbc
Incorrect, 10 of Biden's 16 great great grandparents were Irish born
93
04/02/2021 13:03:51 1 8
bbc
All it needs is some terrorism and then it seems governments appease them, even long term when long over. The behaviours of the governments in the Irish island have shown terrorism for political aims works. Been used as an excuse to do wrong for decades. A decent society would have a proper, normal, like anywhere else, land border. Nothing will fix this nonsense until it is put in properly.
157
04/02/2021 13:13:12 6 1
bbc
I'm not sure you've quite understood the problem here......
36
04/02/2021 12:57:00 278 34
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The NI issue is still the same as it has been since the insanity of a hard Brexit was embarked on by the Tories. There are only 3 options:
1) Stay in single market & customs union
2) Have a hard border on the island of Ireland between NI and the rest
3) Have a customs & regulatory border in the Irish Sea
No amount of complaining, wind or rhetoric can get around this.
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04/02/2021 13:03:54 239 31
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4) United Ireland

Interesting how Arlene Foster objects to the current solution (3) but doesn't suggest what to replace it with.
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04/02/2021 13:30:42 15 18
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Dis-united Ireland ... violence on the streets. Accept the fact that there are people on the island of Ireland who don't want anything to do with Dubline, the Sinn Fein or the EU but prefer to be linked to the UK.
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04/02/2021 13:52:47 1 4
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Exactly the same as the Scottish Tory Party, the Scottish Labour Party and the other one which I forgot the name of.
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04/02/2021 14:08:28 9 2
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Note Arlene Foster hostile to anything EU.
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04/02/2021 14:31:12 26 3
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Arlene is a brexiter so it's not reasonable to expect her to offer any solution to the problems she's created.
04/02/2021 15:14:56 7 0
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I mean, I reckon she'd greatly prefer option 2... in fact, that was probably the DUP's hoped for outcome. Until it blew up in their face because Tory's had bigger players to please (e.g. the new POTUS who said no trade deal if the GFA was compromised)
VoR
04/02/2021 15:35:14 4 0
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Either United Ireland would be part of the EU (meaning it needs border and customs with the UK), or it would be part of the UK, and need a border and customers with the EU.

No matter what, a border will still end up being needed.
04/02/2021 17:07:39 2 0
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She and the DUP always supported a hard land border option.
04/02/2021 18:06:41 1 0
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Well, once she and her ilk have exhausted every other option....
But does the Republic want them?
04/02/2021 18:27:50 0 2
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Re: your comment regarding a united Ireland.

Successive polls across the Republic have REJECTED Northern Ireland (Ulster) uniting with them, mainly due to the uncertainty of stability there.

Suspect that the Republic leaving the EU is more likely as they are continually being 'crapped-on' by the Commission; Article 16, post Brexit fishing reduction, large bill for Covid recovery.
Sam
05/02/2021 13:10:52 0 0
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5) Eirexit
BOF
05/02/2021 18:07:40 0 0
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I think she wants open borders in Ireland and in the Irish Sea presumably so NI can be run a state sponsored smuggling operation.
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04/02/2021 12:53:23 19 12
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Brexiteers got what they wanted. Pity N.Ireland voted against (as did the Scots)....but this is Toryland now. Probably time for both peoples to grin and bear it...or look to leave.

Bit like me really....just waiting for lockdown to end so I can go property viewing in Portugal.
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Bob
04/02/2021 13:03:55 6 7
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You call it 'Toryland' as a result of NI and Scotland voting against leaving, yet most of the largest leave-leaning areas were in Labour strongholds...
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04/02/2021 13:56:38 0 1
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A mere detail Bob! Doesn't fit the narrative as they say....
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04/02/2021 14:23:41 1 2
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Neither Scotland nor NI are 'Labour strongholds'.
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04/02/2021 14:39:00 2 1
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And they'll pay the price. What tory Govt has every looked after hard working people.
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04/02/2021 12:57:00 278 34
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The NI issue is still the same as it has been since the insanity of a hard Brexit was embarked on by the Tories. There are only 3 options:
1) Stay in single market & customs union
2) Have a hard border on the island of Ireland between NI and the rest
3) Have a customs & regulatory border in the Irish Sea
No amount of complaining, wind or rhetoric can get around this.
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04/02/2021 13:04:03 8 33
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There is not such thing as hard Brexit. There is only Brexit or remain with no say
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04/02/2021 13:04:20 94 10
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Given that the British government has described the NI protocol and the EU-UK trade deal as an oven ready deal and cakist treaty it is hard to fathom what they are complaining about today.
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04/02/2021 13:09:09 24 67
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A 2nd threat by the EU to annexe NI.

The first one to lord frost caused the creation of the internal market bill. The eu backed down.

2 threats to annex sovereign territory in 6 months.

Good faith ?

No.

Bad faith. Yes. Broken the WA.
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04/02/2021 13:49:28 3 21
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No, the phrase 'oven ready deal' referred only to the Withdrawal Agreement which was already negotiated.
But Remoaners do not want to tell the ruth.
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04/02/2021 12:54:58 11 28
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I am a Brexit supporter, but the NI Protocol is a mess, and Johnson should never have agreed to an internal border in the UK. If we cannot agree with the EU a way to improve the Protocol, we should do what the EU threatened to do and override it.
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04/02/2021 13:04:21 4 1
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Nope. No borders in Ireland so the frontier is where it needs to be, between Ireland and Brexit Island.
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04/02/2021 12:53:43 6 11
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Pity that threats of violent action should influence decisions! I cannot get my head
around the animosity between Protestants and Catholics in Norther Ireland! I cannot imagine such a divide existing in any other part of the UK. Oh! Scots Nats and the English maybe!
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04/02/2021 13:04:21 5 1
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A general google search should help you out...........Brexit was never going to work with N.Ireland being an after thought, as usual.
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04/02/2021 13:04:30 107 12
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You have got to laugh at all these unionists threatening that they will have to remind the British Govt that they are as big a partner in the Union as the Brits. The problem for NI Unionist is that the biggest partner in that Union doesn’t give a damn about them. As George Osborne has recently pointed out, the English wouldn’t care a jot if there was a United Ireland tomorrow.
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Rob
04/02/2021 13:11:40 70 8
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The biggest partner doesn't give a toss for all 3 devolved nations
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04/02/2021 13:07:38 1 10
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Yes - clear to see that NI is heading for a major confrontation when the GFA is undermined - civil war seems to be the logical outcome & maybe endgame?
OWC
04/02/2021 16:31:41 1 1
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Do you not understand that Unionists are ‘Brits’ as you call them.
04/02/2021 22:24:38 0 0
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A cynic like Osbourne is not the decider about the ultimate value of the United Kingdom or it’s constitutional make up. George Osborne opinions no longer carry any weight- the ex editor of a free newspaper- his time in government was a time of austerity, hitting the worst off. His opinion is no longer relevant. The UK is bigger and better than any myopic English republic would ever be.