Brits snap up Australian wine that didn't go to China
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The UK is now the top destination for Australian wine as it looks to overcome crippling Chinese taxes.
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Tastes a damn sight better than the overrated French wine, win-win.
I would suggest you are buying the wrong stuff.
Cheap Aussie wine is better than cheap French wine but all new world wines pales in comparison to top end French and Italian wines.
Oh dear. Says a wine expert, no doubt.
Or vin-vin.
Haha the obligatory Brexiteer comment "it's better than (product) from (EU country) anyway"
We all know it's the flavour of your politics leading your taste buds ??
We all know it's the flavour of your politics leading your taste buds ??
I have to agree. I have decades' worth of wine tasting notes (I really should get out more) and cheap Aussie is better than cheap French/Spanish - however the cheap Italian stuff is quite good. At the top end the French still have it but prices are sky high. Also, South America has scored highest for basic wines recently.
pointless comment by a Brexiteer suggest you'd study a label before deciding whether it would taste nice
Is this comment taken from the teetotal Trump’s playbook?
“US wines are much better than French wines, well they have prettier labels anyway.”
“US wines are much better than French wines, well they have prettier labels anyway.”
French whites are good. Their reds are poor value.
Yiu need to lay a bit more. Australian wine isn’t in the same league as a good French wine.
I reckon you're the sort that drinks just to get sloshed so taste and the finer aspect of the wine means nothing more except a poke in the eye for the EU.
Anyway, I thought under age drinking was still illegal in the UK!
Anyway, I thought under age drinking was still illegal in the UK!
Yes - anything to annoy Macron.
It depends which wines you are buying.
Cheap plonk will be broadly similar wherever it is from.
In the £10-20 region you may get some fairly decent Aussie wines while the French equivalents may not be quite as good.
For top end wines there are very few new world wines that even come close to the top (or middle-top) wines from Bordeaux, Burgundy, upper Rhone or Champagne.
Cheap plonk will be broadly similar wherever it is from.
In the £10-20 region you may get some fairly decent Aussie wines while the French equivalents may not be quite as good.
For top end wines there are very few new world wines that even come close to the top (or middle-top) wines from Bordeaux, Burgundy, upper Rhone or Champagne.
Because it makes a nice change from the usual HYS which seems to reserved for leftie weirdos and far right freaks!
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Is that a wine whine?
Or are you anti-Australian? Understandable, they cheat at cricket and steal our best talent after we have trained them and they are just starting to pay tax. I've got nothing against them apart from that.
Or are you anti-Australian? Understandable, they cheat at cricket and steal our best talent after we have trained them and they are just starting to pay tax. I've got nothing against them apart from that.
And now we have wine nationalism. Thanks again Britnat Brexiteers. Totally pathetic...
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Australian wine tends to travel well and they are extremely competitively priced even with shipping costs.
Don't forget South Africa too - lots of places have excellent wines at more reasonable prices than EU producers. Crisp white with UK fish and shellfish. Yum.
They are not our "cousins" nor our they our "colonial dependents". Simple exploit of global trade condition is all
Support our Australian cousins?! The Ozzies think the English are a bigger joke than all of Europe do! ??
Aussie wine is just as good if not better than most EU wines, so this is no bad thing!
You might change your mind if you saw how it is produced!
When in NZ (gorgeous Sauv Blancs) I was amused to note that all the cheap wines were from Australia. It's mostly plonk.
There's a lot of biased talk in both directions here. The truth is that there are brilliant wines from both Australia and the EU, not to mention S Africa, NZ, Chile and so on. There are also a lot of poor wines from all those places.
Don't expect an earth-shattering wine for a miniscule price. Equally, don't spend more than circa £15 a bottle unless you are a wine buff.
Don't expect an earth-shattering wine for a miniscule price. Equally, don't spend more than circa £15 a bottle unless you are a wine buff.
I very much doubt that the two things are linked but I suppose it makes for a good story.
What two things? The push by Aussie producers to find other markets is due to the vindictive Chinese punishment for daring to ask for an investigation into the source of Coivd
Good to support and trade with our Australian family.
English wine is also booming and will become more popular due to global warming.
English wine is also booming and will become more popular due to global warming.
"Your Austalian family"? Do you come from a long line of transported convicts?
Brilliant! Hong Konger here. For years our economy became very dependent on the Chinese. Over time we have lost our bargin chip and are forced to make politcal concessions. Definitely don't want to see the same happen in other democracies for the same reasons.
Confucius he say "You lost more than your bargaining (sic) chip".
Some of the world's best white wines are produced in Kent and Sussex which might explain why Tattinger are buying land there. For reds I choose Australian every time.
We have a vineyard in our village (in Kent) should we tire of the Aussie stuff.
That is utter rubbish. Jingoistic much? Not a single British wine is rated on a level with top wines from around the world. British wines range from utter disasters to okay. There are no world-beating British wines.
Tattinger are probably buying land in Kent so they have somewhere to park their lorries waiting to get home.
Don’t forget Denbies in Surrey - the largest vineyard in the UK - Excellent quality whites - I even understand they have done a deal with Wetherspoons & will become the house wine. Support English wine ...& New World wines too ! ??
How much a bottle are they, delivered to France?
I didn't even know the Chinese actually drink wine!
You would need to live there to understand. It’s akin to Russia and vodka consumption.
They've moved on from opium forced on them by the East India Company.
If the EU want to "punish" us for leaving them through endless paperwork, we'll go elsewhere. Simple as.
Except currently there is no paperwork for French/EU imports. When it comes in July it will be splendid, world beating British paperwork.
It's not 'punishment' it's the exact same paperwork everyone who isnt in the EU has to fill in.
It's what happens when you decide wanting a few less foreigners at the car wash is worth exiting one of the largest markets in the world.
It's what happens when you decide wanting a few less foreigners at the car wash is worth exiting one of the largest markets in the world.
The endless paperwork is because of Brexit, we are no longer in the EU and single market. One of the many lies of Brexit was about EU red tape. We didn’t have any before, now it’s never ending
They're not "punishing" us, the paperwork is *precisely* what you voted for!
You won, get over it!
You won, get over it!
Paperwork is required to manage borders. It was not imposed as a punishment. It's the standard state of affairs when you don't share a single market and have no customs union. Brexiters voted to reimpose the paperwork. Brexiters voted to abandon the paperless flow of goods over the border. The very essence of Brexit is for there to be more paperwork, delays and controls.
The EU is punishing us! What utter nonsense. We left the single market (which WE played a major part in creating and defining the rules) to become a third country (according to rules WE made). You're not in the club, you don't get the preferential treatment. You won, get over it and stop talking rubbish.
You seem to forget that it goes both ways, we also have a lot of complicated paperwork for goods coming into the UK...but that is okay for you I guess?
Australian wine is the worst on planet Earth. It's almost undrinkable. Thanks Britnat Brexiteers.
And they say Breixteers are bigots!!!
Says the Bells whisky drinker.
typical remoaner,cant tell a good wine from perrier sparkling water(cats p*** sorry)
Is that one of those remoaner "facts"?
I feel I'm being lied to right now.
I feel I'm being lied to right now.
You obviously haven't drunk some of the stuff that the French have to water down to make palatable then.
Totally predictable and utterly hilarious comment. Cheers!
How wrong are you my friend. Australian wine is fine. You are just a remainer moaning. An Aussie would say a whinging Pom??
Truth gets to you Britnat Brexiteers more and more dail doesn't it? What on earth have you done to your own once dignified outward looking country? Ah well...
Well we're boycotting EU products anyway due to their petty minded bureaucracy, win for Martijn the sandwich thief in Holland.
So we are buying wine from Aus, NZ, Chile and South Africa and it is excellent.
Also going to be buying a Kia or Hyundai this year, not the Peugeot we planned. Win for Macrons anti UK policy and rhetoric.
We will buy from true friends. The EU can stuff it.
So we are buying wine from Aus, NZ, Chile and South Africa and it is excellent.
Also going to be buying a Kia or Hyundai this year, not the Peugeot we planned. Win for Macrons anti UK policy and rhetoric.
We will buy from true friends. The EU can stuff it.
Except for covid vaccines obviously!
Kia, Hyundai or Peugeot? Your class shines through!
Kia, Hyundai or Peugeot? Your class shines through!
Well, have recently bought a Kia[love it!]. Been a fan of NZ Sauvignon for years, find Stellenbosch VERY drinkable. As an example of how the world's turned...last year I bought a bottle of Kiwi Cuvee. UNDRINKABLE. Inspecting the label more closely it turned out to be French plonk! So now they are pretending to be a NZ wine.Hoist with their own petard. lol.
Yes, we are doing similar.BTW, don't forget Argentinian Malbecs. Absolutely gorgeous! And, we plan on buying a Kia as soon as lockdown is over.
You haven't mentioned Argentina and the removal of sandwiches is petty, more importantly the reporting of such acts enrages us so we will boycott. I like the Dutch very industrious people. I have gone off them!
That Kia was probably built in Slovakia; HQ in Frankfurt!. Peugeot, however, do invest in the UK (Vauxhall). Automotive nationalism is trickier than you think. Better stick with that old Austin Allegro I suggest!
Hi Neil, people who live across the channel from us are neighbours and friends just as much as ever. Please do not let yourself be emotionally manipulated by headlines intended to rile and sell newspapers.
My 'peugeot' is made in the Czech Republic, has a Japanese engine and is designed by an Italian!
As a mechanic I would avoid French cars regardless of the present Tiff. They are unreliable due to expensive electrical problems. Honda for me! Same car for 10 years now and apart from routine servicing and tyres, brake pads etc... it hasn't had to have a repair done to it.
As for French tools, I will no longer be buying Facom.
As for French tools, I will no longer be buying Facom.
I've been boycotting French stuff since before the Brexit referendum, and reducing purchases from other parts of the EU.
My next car will be Japanese, Lexus maybe rather than Audi.
My next car will be Japanese, Lexus maybe rather than Audi.
I am sure you spending your fiver is going to make all the difference. Regarding buying a Korean car I would say buy British. In fact I would say the same thing about wine, mobile phones etc. Just buy the best of British. ??
Can recommend the Kia. Have had a Niro hybrid for 18 months and can't fault it in any way.
Have you tried wines from Romania, Hungary, Portugal perhaps? I bet you didn't, they have great wines, but like you and many others here that call European wines only French and Spanish shows how much you understand about wines and other products, none.
Snobbism... and please don't come to the EU any time soon for holidays! :)
Snobbism... and please don't come to the EU any time soon for holidays! :)
Why not buy a Vauxhall that is backing a British brand or a Nissan/Toyota instead that at least still make some of their cars here?
Good luck with buying a non EU produced Kia or Hyundai. Enjoy your potatoes and swedes, but no Irish beef. Plenty of lamb and shellfish too.
Well if the French won’t let our shellfish in, we should drop drinking French wine. Some Australian and Californian wines are great.
No they're not and we all know it. More Britnat Brexiteer denial. Pathetic indeed.
You should surely only be drinking British wine, though I hear it's mostly white and rather bitter.
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A nice south african white with some Scottish (or rUK) crab or lobster. Fantastic offering.
I much prefer new world wines myself. French wine in particular I’ve never really got on with and believe me I’ve tried. Not any more. As the EU wine lake grows they will become more and more protectionist, a very bad road to go down.
I gave up drinking French wine months ago. The rest of the world is full of lovely wine. Gutsy reds from Chile and Argentina, whites from South Africa, Australia, New Zealand and us, and sparkling whites from right here in the UK. Cheers!
But I don't like them. This is not a schoolyard game
Agree we should buy more Argentine wine big time it is exquisite, they are broke and so weak currency so cheap import and is a way to foster good relations so no more war stuff over the Falklands.
Leave those with more money than sense to purchase those poncy overpriced over-rated bottles of grape juice such as Chateau Le-Ripoff etc..
Aussie & Californian reds aren't a patch on South African reds.
It's the British who've just reverted to pre-EU rules, not the other way around.
China raise taxes by 212% and the Australians change their sales tactics and increase profitability into the bargain. Consistently bad practice from the Chinese, who knew ?
China being forced into a corner by their own tactics .
The Chinese used to take hundreds of tonnes of our Shellfish until we got vocal about Hong Kong and now the market has disappeared and they buy from the USA. Trade is the biggest weapon in the Chinese armoury and all countries need to be as fleet of foot as the Australians when their turn comes for the strong arm tactics.
And for the benefit of everyone else on here, I strongly doubt China's tax/duty policy is being driven by Brexit. So stop mentioning it.
Having lived in Australia a number of years I would say they produce world class wines. From huge farm vineyards down to small one field enterprises, they have them all. Try Penfold Grange if you have really deep pockets.
Surely they do, but they'll keep the best for home consumption and tanker the rubbish in 20,000 litre plastic bladders for us mugs in UK to quaff - quaffing is about all the stuff is good for, it's not even good enough for cooking.
I stand ready, not only to drink my share of Aussie wine, but to eat plenty of shellfish which can't be exported.
I love scallops and hubby is mad for mussels. We'd be more then happy to buy them especially if we can get them for the price we'd normally pay in a French poissionnerie!
I love scallops and hubby is mad for mussels. We'd be more then happy to buy them especially if we can get them for the price we'd normally pay in a French poissionnerie!
Totally agree. Lets eat more of our own sea produce and drink good quality Australian wine. In fact, lets be shellfish about it and keep it all... Sowwy!!!!!!!
Very happy to buy scallops too. Hopefully some young energetic people can set up washing facilities in the UK and then market the stuff here, complete with next day delivery service.
"drinkers could pay more per bottle on many European wines"
Then we simply won't drink it.
Same with cars.
Brussels bureaucracy will kill European businesses.
Then we simply won't drink it.
Same with cars.
Brussels bureaucracy will kill European businesses.
Australian wine is delicious
Chilean is also a good alternative to traditional imports
Everyone knows the French keep the good stuff and import the plonk
Chilean is also a good alternative to traditional imports
Everyone knows the French keep the good stuff and import the plonk
Are you going to buy Australian cars instead? That'll be a tough one!
You mean British bureaucracy. Well done, quitters. Well done.
"Fog in Channel; Content cut off"
I can assure from from personal experience that EU businesses are looking at import paperwork from UK vs China and deciding it's no more effort and plenty less money to buy Chinese.
I can assure from from personal experience that EU businesses are looking at import paperwork from UK vs China and deciding it's no more effort and plenty less money to buy Chinese.
Are you going to buy Australian cars as well?
I have been enjoying quality Australian wines for years now. Hope that this means more in the UK will be able to appreciate the quality. For too long the French thought that they had a monopoly on quality.
They did, but many Italian wines are at least as good, as indeed are many German ones. I have found Australian wines to be excellent. Not that I am a big drinker so maybe my experience isn't relevant.
The very best of wine, particularly red, is still French, then probably Spanish, Italian and Austrian (a well kept secret).
However, Chilean and some Aus. & S.A. wines are much better value for money.
However, Chilean and some Aus. & S.A. wines are much better value for money.
Obviously no idea of the word QUALITY means!
You are not alone.
You are not alone.
Disagree. They lost market share because they were arrogant. They thought the wine would sell itself. They, like the Spanish and Italians whose wines are underrated failed to market their product and educate the next generation of potential wine drinkers. They allowed the Aussies to move in.
Happy to drink more and help the Aussies particularly if it makes them less dependent on China
The prospect of lower wine prices is enough to give me a Semillon . . . .
What about Kiwi wine? Much softer on the palate.
They need China, rising middle class on their doorstep. We are 67 million, 50.8% of the Chinese population is middle class from a total of 1 billion plus. No brainer!
The more competition there is from world and uk products the easier it will be to keep prices from Europe down.
No it won't. Our taxes on wine, keep wine prices high. The Euro keeps wine prices high. France, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece, Cyprus should never have entered the Euro. It is that which is killing their competitiveness.
I buy everyday French wine for 11 euros for 5 litres. Then I am in France. Your government taxes are what makes wine expensive in the UK.
Seems like, despite supposedly having a deal with EU, it will be easier to get things from the rest of the world than having to deal with all the political and paperwork barriers that have been put in place.
absolutely..and maybe vineyards in the UK could grow more and make even more wine for home consumption too
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Let the market decide who is being reasonable with the UK
And let consumers advertise that with where they spend their money and take their holidays
The power is in our own hands (and wallets)
Let the market decide who is being reasonable with the UK
And let consumers advertise that with where they spend their money and take their holidays
The power is in our own hands (and wallets)
No, it's the exact same paperwork, unless you have a free trade agreement. Which we dont anywhere anymore , Brittania! Remember.
Tho for some odd reason we are trying to join the Pacific trading zone - almost as if joining a free trade zone is good unless it's on your doorstep.
Downvote if you cant handle reality.
Tho for some odd reason we are trying to join the Pacific trading zone - almost as if joining a free trade zone is good unless it's on your doorstep.
Downvote if you cant handle reality.
Those paperwork barrriers are already in place for importing from 3rd countries. Now we have added the EU to the list of 3rd countries we import from.
That the problem, it would appear that the EU is being deliberately awkward, especially when we can buy similar products from the rest of the world much easier. You would expect if there is a deal with the EU to remove tariffs etc it would be easier. In regard to wines the loser are EU wine producers who lose sales
Funny how the first vaguely abusive/defamatory comment when scrolling down (at time of reading) is from an anti-Brexit Remain voter...
Says you the wine connoisseur.
More remoaner rubbish!
More remoaner rubbish!
Like from most wine regions there are very good and very bad wines. Yes, some New World wines are very good, as are some European wines. Some are horrible. Let's try to keep to the facts!
Well, first; there's no trade deal with the USA and second, if the Californians make great wine, they keep it to themselves. Oregon and Washington wines are much better.
There are some excellent Australian, Chilean & S.A. wines, if you go to a specialist wine shop, usually at a good price.
There are some excellent Australian, Chilean & S.A. wines, if you go to a specialist wine shop, usually at a good price.
obviously you love the EU more than the UK
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Rubbish from a remoaner.
Well , the solution is that you keep drinking your French wine and everyone’s happy .
Sounds like you only drink French wines. “we all know...” is always the precursor to a received narrative (in this case nationalist bigotry) used to dismiss alternatives without reference to facts.
Some AUS and US wines are great - true by all the measures of wine greatness (blind tasting, experts...) and my experience.
And some wines are c**p, even from France.
Some AUS and US wines are great - true by all the measures of wine greatness (blind tasting, experts...) and my experience.
And some wines are c**p, even from France.
Well done; you've found a pathetic new slogan to put in every post. "Britnat Brexiteer".
Grow up and stop being so childish.
Grow up and stop being so childish.
Say's thought disordered John. For Pete's sake when are you lot going to accept we are OUT. The EU probably don't want us back either.
I trust you will go to the end of the vaccine queue to show solidarity with fellow euphiles
Are the pubs open again at last? You appear to be intoxicated..
Dont be silly John. I voted to remain however I much prefer many New World wines which, in my opinion, are superior to that of the traditional winegrowing areas of Europe.
John. Each time you post, you look more ridiculous. Quit while you're.....behind!
Throw those sour grapes out with your French Bordeaux, buy British and be proud. Come on you can do it!
Californian Cabernet Sauvignon is the best in the world John, and top Aussie Shiraz is a world beater. You need to educate yourself on wines pal
Refusing to accept defeat to the end - only one persons post here are pathetic and the likes/dislikes prove that emphatically.
You may "Think" that, the majority of the World does in fact "Know" it.
Snobbery and a lack of understanding from some people eh!
Snobbery and a lack of understanding from some people eh!
Each to their own, the figures do speak for themselves and will only get worse for EU wine sales, and what then? Protectionism and tariffs or reduce their prices back down? Oh dear.
Most of the best French table wines are only available to buy within France. The same goes for Italian table wines with most only available to buy within Italy.
Certainly things have changed over time but fundamentally the "best" is kept for "home consumption". Whereas here in the UK I have found it impossible to buy some of the best English wines with 98% of some labels "Export Only".
Certainly things have changed over time but fundamentally the "best" is kept for "home consumption". Whereas here in the UK I have found it impossible to buy some of the best English wines with 98% of some labels "Export Only".
Unfortunately, the french don't export their good stuff. Can't say I blame them.
Certain he is not unless you wish to pay inflated prices based on 'made in France' on the label. Smacks of the Emperor's new clothes; gullibility in full measure
Take out the added sulphates and what have you got.....watered down Ribena.
"I would suggest you are buying the wrong stuff."
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I enjoy a decent French wine. I also note that the only way to find one which competes with the Australian stuff on both price and taste is to travel to France and buy it there.
If you can afford a decent French wine in the UK then your wine budget is considerably in excess of mine.
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I enjoy a decent French wine. I also note that the only way to find one which competes with the Australian stuff on both price and taste is to travel to France and buy it there.
If you can afford a decent French wine in the UK then your wine budget is considerably in excess of mine.
Fifty years ago the best French wines were reasonably priced. Now they are so expensive that they are beyond most people's pockets and one is left buying the less good wines. Pound for pound these wines are inferior to ones that one can obtain from California, Australia, New Zealand and South America. The price differential is likely to increase in favour of the New World wines.
I think you are biased, or have not tried the better Australian produce.
He can't afford the best stuff.
are you paying attention EU?
It's always China Vs the world
I didn't even know the Chinese actually drink wine!
Some of the world's best white wines are produced in Kent and Sussex which might explain why Tattinger are buying land there. For reds I choose Australian every time.
If Brits like wine then they should ONLY be buying from traditional allies Australia, NZ, US etc.
Unlike Aussie beer, their wine is the world’s best.
Unlike Aussie beer, their wine is the world’s best.
I have been enjoying quality Australian wines for years now. Hope that this means more in the UK will be able to appreciate the quality. For too long the French thought that they had a monopoly on quality.
Do you work for a French winery .....or the EU John?
You seem to be taking it very personally that UK consumers are buying wine from outside the EU....through choice
You seem to be taking it very personally that UK consumers are buying wine from outside the EU....through choice
HA HA HA. No like everything French they THINK they are the best when they're not.
They really don’t. If you go to Oz and take some tours around the various wine regions you’ll find some absolute gems, normally significantly cheaper than similar standard French wines. French wine sells on a reputation that is oft misplaced, there are plenty of winemakers the world over that compete with the best of French.
Still THINK they have a monopoly on quality? They do think that, I agree with John!!!!! ??
English sparkling wine is delcious.
No they don't. They just market to the gullible who they have conned into believing that the best wines come from France.
"Wine Australia said the UK sales surge was helped by lockdowns and Brexit."
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For sale for sale, everything must go here, Australian wine, Chinese don't want them, cheaper now for Brits, good for you brits in lockdown
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For sale for sale, everything must go here, Australian wine, Chinese don't want them, cheaper now for Brits, good for you brits in lockdown
Chinese imposing a vindictive trade embargo to punish Australia for daring to question China's lies about Covid.
Greetings to you in PRC
Anything that mitigates against Chinese bullying gets my vote
Anything that mitigates against Chinese bullying gets my vote
I didn't even know the Chinese actually drink wine!
Utter rubbish. On average Californian wines are better than the average French - and at the very top of the market they tend to be as good if not superior.
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That assertion is not borne out by either independent or trade bodies who issue awards for excellence. It maybe true in your estimation however.
% tiddlywinks
If the EU want to "punish" us for leaving them through endless paperwork, we'll go elsewhere. Simple as.
We will simply watch how the EU have performed against us in the first 6 months of the year and as you say, our paperwork requirements will be Harry Potteresque. (and you can shove your EU goods to boot.)
You can't beat a Brexiteer with 'facts' - they're all on a mission to blind us with prejudice to cover their massive mistake!
The EU bloc will fall apart within 5 years. Merkel already in her bunker awaiting Downfall.
Just so long as out paperwork ensures French products can't be imported to the UK. Perhaps we should insist that they are translated into Cockney rhyming slang and traditional Scots. That should fix them!
Well we're boycotting EU products anyway due to their petty minded bureaucracy, win for Martijn the sandwich thief in Holland.
So we are buying wine from Aus, NZ, Chile and South Africa and it is excellent.
Also going to be buying a Kia or Hyundai this year, not the Peugeot we planned. Win for Macrons anti UK policy and rhetoric.
We will buy from true friends. The EU can stuff it.
So we are buying wine from Aus, NZ, Chile and South Africa and it is excellent.
Also going to be buying a Kia or Hyundai this year, not the Peugeot we planned. Win for Macrons anti UK policy and rhetoric.
We will buy from true friends. The EU can stuff it.
Yes damn those dirty working classes that keep you rich.
Snob.
Snob.
I'm no brexiteer, but surely you should not be denigrating other countries makes? Or is it ok just to support your opposing view on brexit?
I suppose you drive Aston Martins and Mercedes .....your snobbery shines through . .......and most of our covid vaccine is coming from this country .......your ignorance also shines through .
Having had both French and Korean made cars, I vouch for the higher quality of the latter, which has only gone up over the years
i bought a jolly Mercedes 500 SL, nice car, but most unreliable heap of junk I have ever owned. German car manufactures are better at marketing than engineering.
Check out the difference on manufacturers warranties, Kia and Hyundai blow most other manufacturers away . Still love my Subaru though
We have an obsession with new cars in the UK and with particular badges. A good car in rural France is defined as inexpensive, reliable and with miles on the clock.
Yes everyone is forgetting you're the gatekeeper on buying cars, aren't they jason?
Snob
Your snobbery shows too. Lack of common sense too.
Obviously another obnoxious pro-EU cheerleader with more money than sense. Thanks for confirming the stereotype is actually reality!
Actually the best vaccine so far is the British developed one. Even better it's actually been used in the UK for 4 weeks longer than in the EU. As for class - well you don't have any. Drive a Merc or BMW probably, as overrated as EU wines. Polluting and expensive to buy and run - why would any intelligent person bother with them
So what super car do you drive?
OMG, what a snob!
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have an excellent Hyundai. No problems with it at all. OK not and Aston Martin but does the ob very well. Dont be a snob
have an excellent Hyundai. No problems with it at all. OK not and Aston Martin but does the ob very well. Dont be a snob
Anyone who judges a person based on the car they drive is not the brightest, I do hope you know how to operate the electric windows on your posh limo - lol!
"Kia, Hyundai or Peugeot? Your class shines through!"
Lexus then!
Lexus then!
If Brits like wine then they should ONLY be buying from traditional allies Australia, NZ, US etc.
Unlike Aussie beer, their wine is the world’s best.
Unlike Aussie beer, their wine is the world’s best.
Yet again the BBC uses the contemptuous term "Brits", invented by "Yanks", in its headline.
WE ARE NOT BRITS. There is no such thing.
As for purchasing wine from our friends in Australia - good. Why not? Pity we ever deserted the former Commonwealth for a bunch of lying control-freaks nearer home.
WE ARE NOT BRITS. There is no such thing.
As for purchasing wine from our friends in Australia - good. Why not? Pity we ever deserted the former Commonwealth for a bunch of lying control-freaks nearer home.
An 'English gentleman' used to mean something once. Humanity is in constant flux and is tending towards social homogeneity.
I'm Spartacus
Surely less environmental impact to ship wines from Europe to the UK, than from other continents? Isn't that a good reason why not?
As I'm British I'm happy to be called a 'Brit' - it's what I am! Never understood why 'Paki' was considered an insult since that's just a shortened form too. Plenty of insulting names out there but those two are not.
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Totally agree, especially if one has been to Northern Ireland, Brit has a very special meaning.
I agree. "Brits' has also been used as a disparaging term by the IRA.
Let's say 'Britons' or 'British people'.
Let's say 'Britons' or 'British people'.
It's a headline, designed to attract attention - and it seems to have got yours.
Judging by the quality of their reporting staff it's probably because they can't spell British
Give it a rest.
And I voted leave.
And I voted leave.
I'm a Brit. About 45% Welsh. About 30% English and then a mixture of all sorts of things including Italian and Western Asian. However, when I am introduced to people in France it is as an Anglais. I always put them right. Hoping to be French soon. Your PM is hardly unaverse to telling porkies.
Please, give it a rest. We need to move on. We can't use Brexit to pick at each other for ever.
Eh? I'm happy to drink more Australian wine as well as European, not instead of.
The nationalism, pettiness and protectionism is coming from the EU.
The whole world can see this.
The whole world can see this.
John - do you just have a single track mind. Does everything have to be about Brexit?
Holding on to all that resentment really can't be good for you personally
Holding on to all that resentment really can't be good for you personally
John. Calm down.
What are you tacking about? Why should we not trade with Australia? Getting fed up with these EU xenophobic comments.
Stop moaning. Go live in the EU if you love it so much. That utopian land that tried to steal our Covid vaccines. Such a lovely place.
Have a drink John.
You are of course aware that our French friends burned down the Yellowtail Australian wine plant which opened in France, producing better wine than they could. Vive le Aus, and the Aussies play cricket!
How is this wine nationalism this is nothing to do with Brexit for a change but a spat between Australia and China due to Covid 19. However if we join the CCCCCCPT or whatever it is called and the French continue slagging off our vaccines. French wines may decline and Australian wine increase.
Oh for goodness sake!!
Nothing to do with nationalism and everything to do with choice.
Australian wines are good - and still. getting better.
Australian wines are good - and still. getting better.
If you seriously think like that John, you need to seek help. I'll assume you were being sarcastic.
What's pathetic is the incessant, overblown use of terms such as nationalistic & racist by those suffering from BDS.
How about coming up with facts to support your position, rather than this tired old w(h)ine?
Give it a rest, as you're looking increasingly petulant & irrelevant.
How about coming up with facts to support your position, rather than this tired old w(h)ine?
Give it a rest, as you're looking increasingly petulant & irrelevant.
Are you missing yelling at the other children in the school playground?
Supporting people in difficulty is not nationalism.
What are you going on about John. For a start lets not forget one country started Wine nationalism. France!
I dont think Brexit has changed wine nationalism. Its more to do with quality than what country it came from.
I dont think Brexit has changed wine nationalism. Its more to do with quality than what country it came from.
"Wine Australia said the UK sales surge was helped by lockdowns and Brexit."
"Wine merchants in the UK have warned that drinkers could pay more per bottle on many European wines while choosing from a reduced range as the burden of post-Brexit paperwork takes effect."
2 paragraphs added unnecessarily by BBC to put it as a Brexit story, rather than business as it is actually about Chinese tarrifs.
"Wine merchants in the UK have warned that drinkers could pay more per bottle on many European wines while choosing from a reduced range as the burden of post-Brexit paperwork takes effect."
2 paragraphs added unnecessarily by BBC to put it as a Brexit story, rather than business as it is actually about Chinese tarrifs.
A sign of a brilliant brexit !
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Thank goodness.
It will take time, but hopefully this is the first of many developments that will allow goods to reduce in price as we amend our imports to exploit the opportunities that free trade and Brexit have afforded us.
Membership of a protectionist trading bloc has inflated the cost of goods for decades now and I for one relish the opportunity to support emerging nations with our custom.
It will take time, but hopefully this is the first of many developments that will allow goods to reduce in price as we amend our imports to exploit the opportunities that free trade and Brexit have afforded us.
Membership of a protectionist trading bloc has inflated the cost of goods for decades now and I for one relish the opportunity to support emerging nations with our custom.
How has the price been reduced?
Remove your brexit specs, you’ll be able to read and understand better.
Remove your brexit specs, you’ll be able to read and understand better.
Good news for Australia too, which ahs become far too dependent on China and therefore vulnerable to China's whims.
Amen, Ahmed.
Totally agree.
Totally agree.
There is a lot of snobbery when it comes to wines...but there are still some pretty good wines from Italy and Spain!
Dare I say it though...I think new world wines are as good as if not better than the majority of European wines! I personally find that wines from Chile & New Zealand are particularly good...& Australian wines are of a consistently good quality.
Dare I say it though...I think new world wines are as good as if not better than the majority of European wines! I personally find that wines from Chile & New Zealand are particularly good...& Australian wines are of a consistently good quality.
South American wines are superior to French because there is a steady guaranteed supply of water to irrigate vineyards coming from snow melt on the Andes.
French wines rely on rain, hence good and bad years.
French wines rely on rain, hence good and bad years.
And they say Breixteers are bigots!!!
If you find it impossible to cope with Brexit there are a few solutions you may consider one of which is a permanent move to France a solution that solves all your problems at a stroke.
All of it?
Australia won 6 best in shows at the 2019 and 2020 decanter awards placing them 3rd overall. It would seem those who know about wine disagree with you.
Australia won 6 best in shows at the 2019 and 2020 decanter awards placing them 3rd overall. It would seem those who know about wine disagree with you.
....you must be a French wine wholesaler .
Take a junior disprin and go and have a lie down John
Strange that when watching the Saturday morning cooking programmes, the wine expert(s) rarely if ever mentions French wine, is it because its overrated and over priced, or is not really that good compared to New World wines?
You are obviously drinking the wrong stuff, or are you just a wine snob.
The rubbish is the posts you've been making denigrating anything & everything not produced within the EU.
Sour grapes...
Sour grapes...
Thats your opinion and you are very opinionated. Are you a French troll? Get a life.
Seriously, what have you got against Australia? Or are you the representative for le Union de vin Francais?
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nothing like wine to bring out snobbishness in people. Its a drink!! What you like or not is purely down to your own opinion. Ive tasted a few first growths that I wouldnt pay £10 for, but loads of very nice £8 bottles. So what??
so you being an expert on French wine would it be the terroir that gives it the taste or maybe it's the root stock of the vine or perhaps even the grape variety of the region ... all of which contribute to the taste of a wine ... and please note most of the new world wines are grown from the same root stock as European wines
Dear John ... you really are out on a limb supporting the French on this forum. Don't you get, we only voted Brexit because of the French. It is that La Haine et L'Amour that just fuddles normal politics on both side. If the French were not in Europe, so zee pragmatic Germans running Europe we would not have Brexit and that is from a lovely French friend of mine.
Oh dear - another wine snob. The French sure have you fooled. You can't produce any evidence to support your statement. Top 'wine experts' - frequently choose wine from the Antipodes and other parts of the world over the French stuff
I must repeat. OMG!!! He's back again! and again!! and again!!! and again!!!! John, please get another hobby. People are beginning to think that you are a complete eejit.
No it's not. The French "dump" their over-rated and overpriced rubbish wines here! New World wines are very good
You don`t drink much wine?
I prefer Italian wine.
Pay more for it Badger, your loss
Perfect time to nail Australia to the floor for a good trade deal.
Yep, but who's going to pick the grapes?
We are already beating the French at competitions with our English sparkling wines. The UK climate of today is broadly how the French climate used to be, so in theory we should be able to make better wines than those that come from northern France. Looking forward to tasting English "Loire, Burgundy and Beaujolais" type wines! No reason why wine can't be made in Scotland as well - the Roman's did!
Agree with you however UK wines are so bloody expensive. There is Bolney wine down the road from me. Their sparkly is £30 a bottle.
Sadly, I've yet to find a British wine that will match even the cheapest import for taste or price.
UK vineyards can produce some excellent white wines, but our climate just isn't hot enough for really good quality reds.
English Sparking wines(comme Champagne) have won loads of blind tastings against their alleged(but not true) superior Champagne competition.
Some English sparkling wines are cheaper and better than French Champagne. The French rely very heavily on us Brits buying their overpriced, overrated Champagne.
Only wine I drink is a sparkling English Rose (I'm exceedingly fussy and like the uber sweet stuff)
No Shiraz will grow in the UK.
2-0 now, we have a good vaccine rollout. Could be 1-1 though the ze pesky EU decide to steal our supplies
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I didn't even know the Chinese actually drink wine!
My understanding was the East India Company moved in on the already existing trade and streamlined and modernised it for export markets. They certainly didn’t create the opium trade in any way. That’s as naive as claiming white Europeans invented the slave trade.
I very much doubt that the two things are linked but I suppose it makes for a good story.
But what about the overpriced rubbish that comes from France, we have to pay more for that now.... oh well I will stick to the Aussie wine. Damn Brexit!
It won't be forever. Demographics (sped along by COVID) will see us back in the EU in about ten years. Then the divisions will end
We can and we will
Boomers have screwed the young on so many issues, wealth, housing, the environment, jobs. Brexit was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I'll support people I like, not those that happened to be born inside the same arbitrary border. From now on we go our separate ways
Boomers have screwed the young on so many issues, wealth, housing, the environment, jobs. Brexit was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I'll support people I like, not those that happened to be born inside the same arbitrary border. From now on we go our separate ways
No arguing with that Timmy!! LOL!
Brexit: The gift that keeps on taking.
There is a lot of snobbery when it comes to wines...but there are still some pretty good wines from Italy and Spain!
Dare I say it though...I think new world wines are as good as if not better than the majority of European wines! I personally find that wines from Chile & New Zealand are particularly good...& Australian wines are of a consistently good quality.
Dare I say it though...I think new world wines are as good as if not better than the majority of European wines! I personally find that wines from Chile & New Zealand are particularly good...& Australian wines are of a consistently good quality.
Not using Euros in Spain? If wouldn't drink anything that cost a £1, like buying milk for 5p, gotta wonder what crap it really is!
Chepo whino come to mind!
Chepo whino come to mind!
If you like the taste of cheap Cava, then I suggest you stay there and enjoy it - each to his own. I'm no wine snob, but I do drink 3 or 4 bottles a week and I'm afraid I would not buy Cava regardless how cheap it was.
Why is it €1 in Spain and significantly more across the rest of Europe?
Just shows how many countries blatantly ignore EU rules.
Just shows how many countries blatantly ignore EU rules.
We never could get it at that price in the UK even when we were in the so-called ‘single market’.
Funny that.
Funny that.
Most of that Euro is on the bottle and transport. You gotta wonder what left for the wine
It's rubbish as the price testifies to. Your palate needs an education.
Just goes to show how the high life has mangled your palate .
Don't send any more to the UK, they prefer to buy elsewhere.
I have been enjoying quality Australian wines for years now. Hope that this means more in the UK will be able to appreciate the quality. For too long the French thought that they had a monopoly on quality.
I always buy seasonal British food now where I can afford it, and in the case of wines(pardon the pun) I don’t buy EU wine anymore, I can get all the great wine varieties I want from either Chile ???? Argentina ???? New Zealand ???? or Australia ???? No worries ??
And South Africa ???? of course. Never really got on with French or German wines in particular. I prefer the more modern new world wines.
Absolutely. In fact, since I stopped buying EU wines, the only one I miss is Dura from Portugal. Never mind though, lots of other lovely reds to chose from.
They are making their own mainly.
Thank goodness.
It will take time, but hopefully this is the first of many developments that will allow goods to reduce in price as we amend our imports to exploit the opportunities that free trade and Brexit have afforded us.
Membership of a protectionist trading bloc has inflated the cost of goods for decades now and I for one relish the opportunity to support emerging nations with our custom.
It will take time, but hopefully this is the first of many developments that will allow goods to reduce in price as we amend our imports to exploit the opportunities that free trade and Brexit have afforded us.
Membership of a protectionist trading bloc has inflated the cost of goods for decades now and I for one relish the opportunity to support emerging nations with our custom.
They won't! You assume reading and cognitive skills at your peril!
I've just received the latest offers from my supplier, with some fantastic Australian wines at 20-30% less than they were 6 months ago.
Try taking off those blue tinted, star besplattered blinkers & have a look at some reality.
Try taking off those blue tinted, star besplattered blinkers & have a look at some reality.
Oh dear jasonh, you descend to insults as your first port of call.
Oddly enough, the more you import/buy any commodity the lower the unit cost tends to be
If only the EU had followed through on being a massive free trading market rather than 'ever closer political union' then its people would enjoy significant benefits of membership - it's why we joined and (the lack of it) why we chose to leave
Oddly enough, the more you import/buy any commodity the lower the unit cost tends to be
If only the EU had followed through on being a massive free trading market rather than 'ever closer political union' then its people would enjoy significant benefits of membership - it's why we joined and (the lack of it) why we chose to leave
Thank goodness.
It will take time, but hopefully this is the first of many developments that will allow goods to reduce in price as we amend our imports to exploit the opportunities that free trade and Brexit have afforded us.
Membership of a protectionist trading bloc has inflated the cost of goods for decades now and I for one relish the opportunity to support emerging nations with our custom.
It will take time, but hopefully this is the first of many developments that will allow goods to reduce in price as we amend our imports to exploit the opportunities that free trade and Brexit have afforded us.
Membership of a protectionist trading bloc has inflated the cost of goods for decades now and I for one relish the opportunity to support emerging nations with our custom.
Australian companies already produce more wine in France than the French. That's by volume - not quality. Check out the labels but if you want good value reds then Aus, California and SA are by far the best! Just look at the climates where the grapes grow and ripen.
French don't produce much - too lazy and just sit around criticizing others especially that Macron bitch they have in charge despite him being less popular in france than Blair is in the UK.
Touche!
I am trying to avoid buying EU and chinese products but i have found that it is not easy to do, some products its easier than others. and certainly are big price differences on some products depending on where they come from. I currently own a Citroen but it will be the last going Japanese next. I didnt before bother where stuff was made but I do now after the behaviour of EU and chinese
British wine is hardly made now and is can be made from imported grape juice.
But English wine is an altogether different thing. The sparkling variety has beaten the finest champagnes in blind tastings.
But English wine is an altogether different thing. The sparkling variety has beaten the finest champagnes in blind tastings.
Regardless of the sentiment of the post, you get a thumbs up for the clever pun.
In fact a UK wine from Norfolk won the World Cup of wine (white wine category) a couple of years ago. But don't let those pesky facts get in the way of your snobbery.
Actually it's rather good & stocked on occasion by Aldi.
There's a vineyard about half a mile from where I live, I'll just ago and check for you. I am sure they do red as well. Might take a few days to get back to you though.
British sparklers now comfortably match Champagne.
Actually, UK white wines (English mainly, grown in the South East) are pretty darn good - sparkling wines in particular - although admittedly pricey. It's been said that thanks to climate change, the SE (Kent, Sussex, Hampshire, Dorset...) now has a better climate for producing champagne-style wines than Champagne, and good soils too.
How much more Britnat Brexiteer denials are we to be subjected to? Every serious wine drinker knows that Australian wine is of poor quality. Who are you guys trying to kid?
Watch out John, your bigotry and prejudice are showing!
Qualifications? Or just a lifelong AA member who can't tell the difference once bottle three is opened??
Utter rubbish
Some of the very best wines are not made in Europe.
Some of the very best wines are not made in Europe.
Most of them drink at spoons, quality isn’t important to them.
You obviously have absolutely no idea about wines. They produce some of the best wines on the planet.
Plenty of nice wines from non EU countries.
Shows how much you know about wine! Whilst Europe certainly does make fine wine, that wine only makes up a small % of their output and the rest is poorer than an average wine from the New World. Fine wine from Australia can match all but the finest that the EU can produce.
I'm boycotting French wine because of Macron's behaviour so this is good news for me.
Me too.
Presumably it's party because between 52% and 90% of UK persons are now refusing to buy any eu wine due to their gross anti uk attitudes to everything especially from that failed german idiot they put in charge without an election.
"Wine Australia said the UK sales surge was helped by lockdowns and Brexit."
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For sale for sale, everything must go here, Australian wine, Chinese don't want them, cheaper now for Brits, good for you brits in lockdown
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For sale for sale, everything must go here, Australian wine, Chinese don't want them, cheaper now for Brits, good for you brits in lockdown
I wish our trade was solely with countries you can trust and we have a history with. The sooner we stop buying from China the better, imo. Communists using slave labour to undercut world trade, producing nothing of quality purely stuff on the cheap. They have a long history of ripping-off patented designs/processes and do as they like due to their total disregard for global rules
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Do you know anything called automation?
Do you know anything called automation?
A lot of the stuff is of poor quality and doesn't last but is so cheap that it just gets thrown away and replaced. Kettles are a case in point recently.
Thank goodness.
It will take time, but hopefully this is the first of many developments that will allow goods to reduce in price as we amend our imports to exploit the opportunities that free trade and Brexit have afforded us.
Membership of a protectionist trading bloc has inflated the cost of goods for decades now and I for one relish the opportunity to support emerging nations with our custom.
It will take time, but hopefully this is the first of many developments that will allow goods to reduce in price as we amend our imports to exploit the opportunities that free trade and Brexit have afforded us.
Membership of a protectionist trading bloc has inflated the cost of goods for decades now and I for one relish the opportunity to support emerging nations with our custom.
I prefer Italian wine.