UK and EU in 'constructive discussions' over NI trade row
04/02/2021 | news | politics | 216
Both sides have vowed to "work intensively" to solve post-Brexit trade problems in Northern Ireland.
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04/02/2021 10:49:10 15 12
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It sounds as if the DUP don't like having their noses rubbed in the mess resulting from their support for Brexit. Did they really think that having a land border with the EU was going to mean there would be no changes to trade flows between GB and NI?
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04/02/2021 10:59:31 43 14
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All of this has been brought into sharp focus by the EU's recent move to install a "vaccine" border between NI and the EU part of Ireland. I know that they have now rescinded this masterstroke but the fallout will last sometime. In Irish politics nothing is ever forgotten. Or forgiven.
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04/02/2021 11:34:28 20 34
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EU never installed anything of the sort. There seems to me to be a lot of opportunism on the part of this hapless govt in responding to the EU’s recent mistake. It’s either the Protocal or Irish reunification.
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04/02/2021 15:22:21 2 3
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As someone who has served there many times from the 70s, you are very correct, they will not forget what the eu did, they are very good at getting round things which will cost the eu a lot in the long run. The army could not stop either side smuggling weapons and explosives so a pork chop will not be any problem.
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04/02/2021 21:00:06 1 0
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So how come the GFA has held for 22 years?........A lot of people have forgiven a lot.....agreed ....not everybody....but things are a lot better than they were.
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04/02/2021 11:01:50 28 17
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I think I understand this, Gove wants to change the thing him and Johnson signed up to but didn't understand fully the consequences of.

Sounds like they're clueless chancers to me, happy to cut off NI for a few headlines for the Gammonz.......
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04/02/2021 11:18:52 10 4
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The protocol was deliberately ambiguous. Some would say self-contradictory. It allows the Irish Sea checks but also "unfettered access" from GB to NI. The EU have pushed hard to implement the former with little thought for maintaining latter. Maybe it is impossible to square the circle but all sides need to try harder to do that.
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04/02/2021 11:05:23 24 13
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The Brextremists were warned for 5 years about how Brexit would negatively effect Northern Ireland and they dismissed it as Project Fear. DUP and ToryBrexit who negotiated and signed the Brexit Trade agreement blatantly lied to the British people saying their would be no border in the Irish sea. Deception on this level in politics is disgusting .
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04/02/2021 11:06:48 6 5
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Dear Beeb, the guy's name is Maroš Šefcovic, not Maros Šefcovic. Why use the diacritics in his surname and ignore them in his first name?
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04/02/2021 11:09:10 6 15
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Hopefully the elephant in the room will enable them to talk like grown ups this time.
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04/02/2021 11:09:41 31 15
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Taking back sovereignty and easiest deal in history actually meant ongoing talks for decades to shine a turd and tell everyone they won. Laughable
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04/02/2021 11:17:13 8 17
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This was clearly explained pre-referendum in Cameron's letterbox drop to every household.

YVW
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04/02/2021 17:53:12 2 0
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The natural outcome of Incompetent Johnson's ridiculous Brexit.
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04/02/2021 11:10:40 9 9
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Lest not forget the EU that insisted it wanted a border on Ireland.... the UK would never have put in a border.
The EU of course would never used veiled 'threats' that terrorists would re-emerge if THEY put in a border.... of course when it suits them they try and use the WA unilaterally.

It is about time the UK said no more of this nonsense, if EU wants a border let them put it up in Ireland
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04/02/2021 11:26:33 10 4
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"Lest not forget the EU that insisted it wanted a border on Ireland.... the UK would never have put in a border."
I think you will find that it was the UK which said it wanted a hard Brexit and therefore a border, and rejected all the alternatives to a border in the Irish Sea.

Time for the UK government to take responsibility for its decisions, and stop blaming others.
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Ben
04/02/2021 11:49:05 2 1
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The border is to protect both sides! There is no simple solution and neither the UK government or the EU is to blame. Please read up on this before posting ignorant comments.
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04/02/2021 12:06:58 3 1
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The EU using veiled threats of terrorism, i will think you will find it is the DUP trying to whip every Unionist in NI up in to a frenzy. There is issues in the North and what i cannot fathom is how anyone can blame the EU for this. DUP supported Brexit and they knew what they we re signing up for along with 52% of UK population.
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04/02/2021 11:11:54 14 6
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Looks like the NeySayers are back in cahoots with the usual hard line ERG suspects helping them to plan their strategy. Once again NO to every proposal put forward- our way or no way. Not only have this bunch created the chaos we are in today they are now whipping up hysteria over the protocol and will have to own the consequences of their actions. They all spout from the same repetitive script
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04/02/2021 11:13:33 11 5
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The protocol can stay but checks must be risk based. Trusted traders who are selling into NI only need to be trusted as do UK product standard which at the moment are identical to EU standards (the EU can look at this again if our standard diverge and we can agree to give plenty of warning and prior discussion if that happens).
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04/02/2021 11:15:43 8 6
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UK and EU in 'constructive discussions' over NI trade row....NI continues to be the achilles heel of the the EU and the UK Government. The real disgrace is that the innocent people of NI are suffering as Westminster and the unelected EU committees argue the toss.
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04/02/2021 11:16:49 16 10
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Does anyone of right mind believe that Johnson didn't sell NI down the river with Brexit? He did and its no surprise now it's coming back to bite the Government.
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04/02/2021 11:38:31 9 3
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Of course Johnson sold NI down the river. There are two choices now - live with the Protocol and get on with it, or allow a border poll. I believe the last border poll was in 1973, so high time for another “once in a generation” poll.
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04/02/2021 11:16:57 19 11
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Bish, Bash, Bosh, the deal is done!

Small print?

What small print?

Oh, that small print.

Don't worry, its very small print.

Hardly noticeable!
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04/02/2021 11:09:41 31 15
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Taking back sovereignty and easiest deal in history actually meant ongoing talks for decades to shine a turd and tell everyone they won. Laughable
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04/02/2021 11:17:13 8 17
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This was clearly explained pre-referendum in Cameron's letterbox drop to every household.

YVW
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04/02/2021 12:53:56 4 0
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Did Johnson not read his copy of that either?
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04/02/2021 14:32:49 1 0
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As an aside, our postman, clearly a Brexiteer, never delivered that leaflet. I imagine several other people failed to receive it, dependent on which side of the argument the postman fell.
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04/02/2021 11:17:14 11 7
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Constructive talks, lol. The tories have been polishing this tird for decades; Johnson isn't going to stop now.
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04/02/2021 11:18:38 14 11
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This is a Brexit problem.

Boris got it done.

Boris has to sort it out.

Don’t let Boris blame EU27 for Brexit.
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04/02/2021 12:32:31 1 0
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okay, we wont do anything and watch the threats grow against those making checks. Then the EU can decide if it wants to continue the checks. Or they could sit down and agree a solution that works better.
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04/02/2021 11:01:50 28 17
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I think I understand this, Gove wants to change the thing him and Johnson signed up to but didn't understand fully the consequences of.

Sounds like they're clueless chancers to me, happy to cut off NI for a few headlines for the Gammonz.......
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04/02/2021 11:18:52 10 4
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The protocol was deliberately ambiguous. Some would say self-contradictory. It allows the Irish Sea checks but also "unfettered access" from GB to NI. The EU have pushed hard to implement the former with little thought for maintaining latter. Maybe it is impossible to square the circle but all sides need to try harder to do that.
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04/02/2021 18:19:08 0 0
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The fact you need completely open borders and border checkpoints of some form for economic purposes meant it was impossible to begin with.
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04/02/2021 11:10:40 9 9
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Lest not forget the EU that insisted it wanted a border on Ireland.... the UK would never have put in a border.
The EU of course would never used veiled 'threats' that terrorists would re-emerge if THEY put in a border.... of course when it suits them they try and use the WA unilaterally.

It is about time the UK said no more of this nonsense, if EU wants a border let them put it up in Ireland
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04/02/2021 11:26:33 10 4
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"Lest not forget the EU that insisted it wanted a border on Ireland.... the UK would never have put in a border."
I think you will find that it was the UK which said it wanted a hard Brexit and therefore a border, and rejected all the alternatives to a border in the Irish Sea.

Time for the UK government to take responsibility for its decisions, and stop blaming others.
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04/02/2021 11:26:57 7 4
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Excellent, can we all continue to act like grown ups now, instead of this pathetic childish tit for tat 'we were right all along, so there' bollocks?
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04/02/2021 12:37:22 7 2
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Depends are we allowed to discuss rejoining EFTA as the best solution to these problems?
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04/02/2021 11:31:51 2 2
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These physical checks have to stop. It's stopping us importing our fun stuff in boxes of toilet roll.
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04/02/2021 10:59:31 43 14
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All of this has been brought into sharp focus by the EU's recent move to install a "vaccine" border between NI and the EU part of Ireland. I know that they have now rescinded this masterstroke but the fallout will last sometime. In Irish politics nothing is ever forgotten. Or forgiven.
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04/02/2021 11:34:28 20 34
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EU never installed anything of the sort. There seems to me to be a lot of opportunism on the part of this hapless govt in responding to the EU’s recent mistake. It’s either the Protocal or Irish reunification.
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04/02/2021 11:40:36 6 5
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Of course they did. You must have been asleep.
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04/02/2021 11:44:15 5 6
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"It’s either the Protocal or Irish reunification."

That about sums up the EU's grasp of the fragility of Irish politics.
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04/02/2021 22:08:31 1 1
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Hi Seneca, given you can’t spell the word protocol properly, I’m not convinced we should be paying much attention to your inane warbling...

Incidentally, there isn’t ever going to be Irish reunification. High time that was understood even by the thickest of thick.
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04/02/2021 11:35:22 3 2
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Why do they need to check goods once they have entered NI? Why don't the EU simply periodically audit manufacturers and suppliers of goods to NI and have an approved list of suppliers and manufacturers who they periodically audit?
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04/02/2021 13:39:00 1 0
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THats far to sensible and alike to proposal the UK suggested 2 years ago.
Doing such a thing means they can't punish the UK for leaving their fedralist dream and on top of tha they now see this as a way to agin cudos by bringing about the unification of the island of teland. They have no clue about the social gap between NI and SI
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MVS
04/02/2021 11:36:40 16 16
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The EU behave appallingly and the BBC hardly cover the story.
The UK government behave with incredible restraint and the BBC hardly cover the story.
Anything that the UK government could be remotely criticised for and the BBC cover it in great detail.

And they say they are balanced and impartial!!!
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04/02/2021 12:33:31 9 1
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That's right MVS the UK press have been incredibly restrained about the EU for the past 30 years.

Our current PM was dismissed for lying about a meeting with it's officials for example.

If you don't like the Brexit related bad news tell us about the Brexit related good news.

The BBC is doing it's best to find them, maybe you could list the ones the BBC missed?
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04/02/2021 20:50:17 0 0
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It was the UK Govt that wanted Brexit - Not the EU.
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04/02/2021 11:35:53 11 10
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Now there's a first.
The EU engaging in "constructive talks".
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04/02/2021 12:13:58 1 1
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They will next set a deadline so they know when to extend talks. Its difficult managing bureaucrats time without clear ideas on when and where to drag your heels about the corridors of power.
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04/02/2021 11:38:08 37 13
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No argument whatsoever that the victims of all this rubbish are the Irish people, UK fishermen, UK fresh meat exporters and other exporters. Companies being advised to set up an EU base by UK government departments to overcome new export issues. This is not positive, it’s damaging the UK by acts of serial madness!
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04/02/2021 12:11:52 27 13
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There are French, Spanish and Dutch fish impoirters up in arms about nearly 50% of their business being spaffed up the wall because of EU intransigence. I'd wait a while yet before you throw your hat in this ring.
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04/02/2021 20:29:18 1 1
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This is only the beginning. The real Brexit still needs to come. We still need to kill the EU rules on protection on work and work environment, nature, food and financial services. If we kill these rules than we can make a lot of money.
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04/02/2021 11:16:49 16 10
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Does anyone of right mind believe that Johnson didn't sell NI down the river with Brexit? He did and its no surprise now it's coming back to bite the Government.
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04/02/2021 11:38:31 9 3
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Of course Johnson sold NI down the river. There are two choices now - live with the Protocol and get on with it, or allow a border poll. I believe the last border poll was in 1973, so high time for another “once in a generation” poll.
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04/02/2021 12:15:04 0 0
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Maybe it's not a border poll that is required but one to vote for a united Ireland.
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04/02/2021 12:55:48 0 0
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Civil war on your doorstep, a so called united Ireland would fight like two ferrets in a sack, I for one would have the popcorn out
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04/02/2021 11:34:28 20 34
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EU never installed anything of the sort. There seems to me to be a lot of opportunism on the part of this hapless govt in responding to the EU’s recent mistake. It’s either the Protocal or Irish reunification.
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04/02/2021 11:40:36 6 5
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Of course they did. You must have been asleep.
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04/02/2021 11:42:21 15 16
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The United Kingdom doesn't want a hard border on the island of Ireland.

The Republic of Ireland doesn't want a hard border on the island of Ireland.

It is only the paranoid protectionist EU that does.
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04/02/2021 11:54:01 18 5
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Leavers seem to have forgotten that Brexit actually means Brexit. Inconvenient, isn't it?
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04/02/2021 12:33:20 1 0
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No, the DUP does. That's why they voted for Brexit in the first place.
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04/02/2021 11:43:23 10 10
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Let's not forget that this whole border issue is purely to safeguard the EU's tariffs on imports from around the world which they feared would arrive via the UK (and then be tariff free into th EU).
Just like the EU's hard border for vaccines, it's all about protectionism by an uncompetitive inefficient European cabal.
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04/02/2021 13:09:44 4 0
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The EU are "taking back control" of their borders, just like Brexiters vowed to do. Is it not to your taste when others do it too?
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04/02/2021 11:34:28 20 34
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EU never installed anything of the sort. There seems to me to be a lot of opportunism on the part of this hapless govt in responding to the EU’s recent mistake. It’s either the Protocal or Irish reunification.
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04/02/2021 11:44:15 5 6
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"It’s either the Protocal or Irish reunification."

That about sums up the EU's grasp of the fragility of Irish politics.
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04/02/2021 12:51:08 5 6
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The EU have a pretty feeble grasp of most subjects!
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05/02/2021 00:02:39 2 3
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We left, its not the EU jobs to help the UK anymore.

I thought brexit was a bad idea, but I never thought we would fail so quickly.

Britain is truly broken
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04/02/2021 11:46:41 25 6
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Nationalists never wanted Brexit and voted against it (the reason why NI voted against Brexit). A border anywhere on the island of Ireland was going to be a challenge to the GFA but it was the DUP that championed Brexit and they voted against the GFA.
Loyalists now thrashing about blaming everyone else for their idiocy isn't fooling anyone.
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04/02/2021 11:46:54 8 6
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This is the deal that Boris Johnson negotiated and signed. The deal he told us was 'absolutely fantastic'. There'd be no paperwork between GB and NI and everything would run smoothly. The EU made matters worse by trying to put a vaccine border in place invoking article 16 with a wanton disregard for the GFA. NI has been the scapegoat in all this nonsense and sold down the river.
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04/02/2021 11:10:40 9 9
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Lest not forget the EU that insisted it wanted a border on Ireland.... the UK would never have put in a border.
The EU of course would never used veiled 'threats' that terrorists would re-emerge if THEY put in a border.... of course when it suits them they try and use the WA unilaterally.

It is about time the UK said no more of this nonsense, if EU wants a border let them put it up in Ireland
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Ben
04/02/2021 11:49:05 2 1
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The border is to protect both sides! There is no simple solution and neither the UK government or the EU is to blame. Please read up on this before posting ignorant comments.
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04/02/2021 11:52:10 38 18
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Shock horror... Unionist Brexiteers finally work out that Brexit means Brexit
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jo
04/02/2021 12:05:51 19 11
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The Brexit deal: a united Ireland achieved through the back door.
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04/02/2021 11:42:21 15 16
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The United Kingdom doesn't want a hard border on the island of Ireland.

The Republic of Ireland doesn't want a hard border on the island of Ireland.

It is only the paranoid protectionist EU that does.
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04/02/2021 11:54:01 18 5
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Leavers seem to have forgotten that Brexit actually means Brexit. Inconvenient, isn't it?
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04/02/2021 12:10:01 0 2
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When it suits yes, Remainers seem to forget that Brexit doesn't mean Brexit when they want a piece of the UK vaccine supply.
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04/02/2021 11:54:39 2 9
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The EU demanded such controls and border line, the Eu threatened article 16, yet WE have to work together to resolve the problem.
Seems to me that the vindictive demand of the EU federallist Brexit negotiators are now causing sever political issues with its memeer states and need the UK to help make them look good once more. Meanwhile NI gets stuff by EU regs
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04/02/2021 12:31:43 3 0
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Yet it is the UK Government that broke the WA only months after they agreed it. Seems that you didn't know what you voted for after all.
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04/02/2021 13:06:37 1 0
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The GFA has existed for over 20 years and its implications have been known all along. Same for EU rules on imports/exports with the bloc.

Did you not know "what you voted for"?
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04/02/2021 12:00:07 2 2
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UK Government and EU kowtow to threats from violent thugs should be the headline.
If you want to get the ear of the politicians and you don't have wads of cash, next best thing is to threaten violence. So much for democracy.
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04/02/2021 12:03:18 6 13
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The protectionist unelected EU council have gone out of their way to be awkward. They are the ones that put in place a vaccine border before a U-Turn. Now they have stopped shell fish being exported. 'constructive discussions' in any sentence pertaining to the EU is a contradiction. Not if but simply when one of the so-called big boys like France or Italy go legs up and then its 'dominos' Karma!
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04/02/2021 12:25:06 4 2
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How many vaccines were turned back at this "vaccine border" in the couple of hours it was in place?

Also can you explain how the all powerful EU commission that makes the UK do loads of (as yet undefined by Brexiteers on here) things it doesn't want to do was unable to stop Michael Martin overturning their decision with one phone call?

It's like the EU Commission isn't all powerful after all!
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04/02/2021 12:29:45 3 1
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The "unelected EU council" is the elected governments of the 27 member states.
They control their own borders.
That means they can decide to limit exports.
It means they decide if imports from the UK should get the same checks & paperwork as every other non-EU country.
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04/02/2021 12:30:57 2 1
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None of that is true. Where do you get this nonsense?
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04/02/2021 12:58:27 1 0
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The EU council isn't any more "unelected" than the UK government is.

The ban on exports of certain live animals applies to all 3rd countries, which the UK chose to become. Didn't you know "what you voted for"?
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jo
04/02/2021 12:03:20 4 4
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Brexit the gift that keeps our politicians from getting on and doing more important stuff that would improve our lives.
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04/02/2021 12:24:14 4 6
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Yep, could be 3 years on if the inevitable outcome of the result had been accepted, rather than remainers bleating on 3 years past their sell by date!
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04/02/2021 11:52:10 38 18
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Shock horror... Unionist Brexiteers finally work out that Brexit means Brexit
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jo
04/02/2021 12:05:51 19 11
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The Brexit deal: a united Ireland achieved through the back door.
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04/02/2021 13:07:17 6 2
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In the next episode: The UK breaks up.
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04/02/2021 11:10:40 9 9
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Lest not forget the EU that insisted it wanted a border on Ireland.... the UK would never have put in a border.
The EU of course would never used veiled 'threats' that terrorists would re-emerge if THEY put in a border.... of course when it suits them they try and use the WA unilaterally.

It is about time the UK said no more of this nonsense, if EU wants a border let them put it up in Ireland
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04/02/2021 12:06:58 3 1
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The EU using veiled threats of terrorism, i will think you will find it is the DUP trying to whip every Unionist in NI up in to a frenzy. There is issues in the North and what i cannot fathom is how anyone can blame the EU for this. DUP supported Brexit and they knew what they we re signing up for along with 52% of UK population.
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04/02/2021 12:07:31 24 9
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Leambloke
“The EU demanded such controls and border line, the Eu threatened article 16, yet WE have to work together to resolve the problem”
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No, it’s about the Northern Ireland Protocol. The one that No10 signed up to as a solution to the issues created because of Brexit in relation to the GFA.
The UK Government chose to take this path.
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04/02/2021 11:54:01 18 5
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Leavers seem to have forgotten that Brexit actually means Brexit. Inconvenient, isn't it?
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04/02/2021 12:10:01 0 2
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When it suits yes, Remainers seem to forget that Brexit doesn't mean Brexit when they want a piece of the UK vaccine supply.
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04/02/2021 12:33:03 3 0
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Huh? The vaccine supply has nothing to do with Brexit. The regulator confirmed this. The UK Government lied. Again.
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04/02/2021 11:38:08 37 13
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No argument whatsoever that the victims of all this rubbish are the Irish people, UK fishermen, UK fresh meat exporters and other exporters. Companies being advised to set up an EU base by UK government departments to overcome new export issues. This is not positive, it’s damaging the UK by acts of serial madness!
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04/02/2021 12:11:52 27 13
bbc
There are French, Spanish and Dutch fish impoirters up in arms about nearly 50% of their business being spaffed up the wall because of EU intransigence. I'd wait a while yet before you throw your hat in this ring.
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04/02/2021 13:18:38 6 4
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An average of 10% of the EU total exports go to the UK, around 45% of ours go to the EU.

Guess who has more to lose if trade between the two drops.

(Hint: the UK)
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SH
04/02/2021 13:58:46 4 2
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No real intransigence, there are new rules which need to be followed as we are not in the EU. The problems arise because no one who's importing and exporting have factored in that there will be delays and more paperwork which they have to get right first time.
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04/02/2021 14:34:45 5 7
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Paul B is a remoaner Freddie. He can only see hate and fake news that fits his agenda.
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04/02/2021 11:35:53 11 10
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Now there's a first.
The EU engaging in "constructive talks".
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04/02/2021 12:13:58 1 1
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They will next set a deadline so they know when to extend talks. Its difficult managing bureaucrats time without clear ideas on when and where to drag your heels about the corridors of power.
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04/02/2021 11:38:31 9 3
bbc
Of course Johnson sold NI down the river. There are two choices now - live with the Protocol and get on with it, or allow a border poll. I believe the last border poll was in 1973, so high time for another “once in a generation” poll.
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04/02/2021 12:15:04 0 0
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Maybe it's not a border poll that is required but one to vote for a united Ireland.
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04/02/2021 12:18:06 25 3
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Finkelstein
“Now they [EU] have stopped shell fish being exported”
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No. Barrie Deas, chief executive of the National Federation of Fishermen's Organisations said nothing had changed in terms of the EU’s rules. Previously, UK shellfish was purified in continental Europe before being sold. This can no longer happen as we’ve left the Single Market.
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04/02/2021 12:48:10 20 12
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Sad thing about it
It'll mean much higher prices for shellfish in the EU
The stupidity that the shellfish are caught in the same waters by EU & UK boats but our boats aren't allowed to land them, is a prime example of EU bureaucracy trumping common sense for the good of the people
Of course it's also a £400m opportunity to expand our own purification capabilities
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04/02/2021 19:29:54 1 0
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ok then set up a purification plant. I for one would buy shares in it. better still i would buy more shellfish.
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05/02/2021 07:52:49 0 1
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If they want to make it hard to sell the fish... we should make it impossible for them to fish for it in our waters
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04/02/2021 12:18:46 33 12
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I'm confused, can the DUP explain why it is the EU's fault that the UK voted to leave the EU and the UK Government that they continue to support negotiated a trade deal that "cannot work".

Otherwise it looks like Arlene Foster is angry that the Brexit that she voted for and knew would lead to these problems, has lead to these problems?

Or does she just want a bung of British tax payers money?
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04/02/2021 12:54:42 14 8
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It almost sounds as if the British government is pursuing the breakup of the UK.
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04/02/2021 14:30:48 2 0
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The bung of British tax payers money without a doubt!!
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04/02/2021 14:38:16 4 0
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Arlene thought brexit would get her a "Trump Wall" along NI / ROI border but that backfired and she ended up with a red tape swamp in the Irish Sea.
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04/02/2021 12:20:05 3 2
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This also exist because Ireland are part of the EU.
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jo
04/02/2021 12:03:20 4 4
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Brexit the gift that keeps our politicians from getting on and doing more important stuff that would improve our lives.
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04/02/2021 12:24:14 4 6
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Yep, could be 3 years on if the inevitable outcome of the result had been accepted, rather than remainers bleating on 3 years past their sell by date!
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04/02/2021 12:56:27 2 1
bbc
Brexiters always blaming someone else, uh?

Grow up, the party who called the referendum has been in power since 2015.
38
04/02/2021 12:03:18 6 13
bbc
The protectionist unelected EU council have gone out of their way to be awkward. They are the ones that put in place a vaccine border before a U-Turn. Now they have stopped shell fish being exported. 'constructive discussions' in any sentence pertaining to the EU is a contradiction. Not if but simply when one of the so-called big boys like France or Italy go legs up and then its 'dominos' Karma!
51
04/02/2021 12:25:06 4 2
bbc
How many vaccines were turned back at this "vaccine border" in the couple of hours it was in place?

Also can you explain how the all powerful EU commission that makes the UK do loads of (as yet undefined by Brexiteers on here) things it doesn't want to do was unable to stop Michael Martin overturning their decision with one phone call?

It's like the EU Commission isn't all powerful after all!
183
05/02/2021 09:24:43 0 0
bbc
"t's like the EU Commission isn't all powerful after all"

Which is a good thing and proves that the EU is accountable after all.

What's wrong, Rob? Do the little Englanders pine for the days of absolute monarchy?
52
04/02/2021 12:26:38 6 4
bbc
If ever there was a time to reunify Ireland, this is it.
53
04/02/2021 12:28:20 7 5
bbc
FiddlersElbow
“This also exist because Ireland are part of the EU”
~
Indeed, and up until last January, so was the UK.
The problems have emerged because No10 chose to not only take us out of the EU, but also to surrender the considerable benefits of being in the Single Market.
If only it had stuck to the VoteLeave intention of negotiating a good deal with the EU with participation in the CU/SM.
63
04/02/2021 12:34:53 6 2
bbc
A referendum took us out of the EU, as equally a referendum was why we joined!
Call it No 10 if you like, but the same in both instances so not sure why one weighs more than the other.
Except I guess what we signed up to join was far removed from what we left.
89
04/02/2021 12:59:08 0 1
bbc
If we had stayed in the cu/sm, we, in effect, wouldn't have left at all. Vote Leave never plugged "vote pretend to leave". Number Ten did what the majority demanded.
38
04/02/2021 12:03:18 6 13
bbc
The protectionist unelected EU council have gone out of their way to be awkward. They are the ones that put in place a vaccine border before a U-Turn. Now they have stopped shell fish being exported. 'constructive discussions' in any sentence pertaining to the EU is a contradiction. Not if but simply when one of the so-called big boys like France or Italy go legs up and then its 'dominos' Karma!
54
04/02/2021 12:29:45 3 1
bbc
The "unelected EU council" is the elected governments of the 27 member states.
They control their own borders.
That means they can decide to limit exports.
It means they decide if imports from the UK should get the same checks & paperwork as every other non-EU country.
38
04/02/2021 12:03:18 6 13
bbc
The protectionist unelected EU council have gone out of their way to be awkward. They are the ones that put in place a vaccine border before a U-Turn. Now they have stopped shell fish being exported. 'constructive discussions' in any sentence pertaining to the EU is a contradiction. Not if but simply when one of the so-called big boys like France or Italy go legs up and then its 'dominos' Karma!
55
04/02/2021 12:30:57 2 1
bbc
None of that is true. Where do you get this nonsense?
71
04/02/2021 12:48:13 2 0
bbc
The voices in his head
36
04/02/2021 11:54:39 2 9
bbc
The EU demanded such controls and border line, the Eu threatened article 16, yet WE have to work together to resolve the problem.
Seems to me that the vindictive demand of the EU federallist Brexit negotiators are now causing sever political issues with its memeer states and need the UK to help make them look good once more. Meanwhile NI gets stuff by EU regs
56
04/02/2021 12:31:43 3 0
bbc
Yet it is the UK Government that broke the WA only months after they agreed it. Seems that you didn't know what you voted for after all.
16
04/02/2021 11:18:38 14 11
bbc
This is a Brexit problem.

Boris got it done.

Boris has to sort it out.

Don’t let Boris blame EU27 for Brexit.
57
04/02/2021 12:32:31 1 0
bbc
okay, we wont do anything and watch the threats grow against those making checks. Then the EU can decide if it wants to continue the checks. Or they could sit down and agree a solution that works better.
43
04/02/2021 12:10:01 0 2
bbc
When it suits yes, Remainers seem to forget that Brexit doesn't mean Brexit when they want a piece of the UK vaccine supply.
58
04/02/2021 12:33:03 3 0
bbc
Huh? The vaccine supply has nothing to do with Brexit. The regulator confirmed this. The UK Government lied. Again.
28
04/02/2021 11:42:21 15 16
bbc
The United Kingdom doesn't want a hard border on the island of Ireland.

The Republic of Ireland doesn't want a hard border on the island of Ireland.

It is only the paranoid protectionist EU that does.
59
04/02/2021 12:33:20 1 0
bbc
No, the DUP does. That's why they voted for Brexit in the first place.
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MVS
04/02/2021 11:36:40 16 16
bbc
The EU behave appallingly and the BBC hardly cover the story.
The UK government behave with incredible restraint and the BBC hardly cover the story.
Anything that the UK government could be remotely criticised for and the BBC cover it in great detail.

And they say they are balanced and impartial!!!
60
04/02/2021 12:33:31 9 1
bbc
That's right MVS the UK press have been incredibly restrained about the EU for the past 30 years.

Our current PM was dismissed for lying about a meeting with it's officials for example.

If you don't like the Brexit related bad news tell us about the Brexit related good news.

The BBC is doing it's best to find them, maybe you could list the ones the BBC missed?
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04/02/2021 12:50:09 2 2
bbc
1. Little comment on the EU Commission letting Germany off the hook for entering a separate deal to purchase 30 million extra BioNTech/Pfizer does outside of EU deal.
2. No HYS opened up over EU Commission move to trigger Article 16.
3. No HYS opened up on the EU and China agreement despite clear Human Right abuses in China.
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04/02/2021 12:33:42 6 5
bbc
There may not be a hard border. But the EU is dictating what the people of NI can eat and drink. Preventing free movement of goods between NI and the rest of the UK is control the borders
64
04/02/2021 12:36:05 11 1
bbc
Yes that is exactly what Johnson negotiated and signed.
74
04/02/2021 12:51:02 3 1
bbc
Didn't Brexiters vote to "take back control of our borders"?

Well there you go, the EU is doing the same; the implications of the GFA have been know to everyone since before the referendum, yet the UK voted for Brexit.

And no, the EU isn't "dictating" what NI can drink/eat any more than before. Au contraire, they have unfettered access to the EU market, unlike GB.
86
04/02/2021 12:56:39 0 1
bbc
You can't blame the EU for Boris forcing Brexit through half-baked (not oven-ready) and signing this deal. We're "sovereign" now (we always were), time to blame Brexiteers and the useless Government they elected to enable Vrexit.
62
04/02/2021 12:33:53 12 2
bbc
Johnson agreed and signed the protocol knowing it meant NI had one foot in the EU and one in the UK. Now he's stuck with it.
67
04/02/2021 12:43:10 5 3
bbc
This was voted on by parliament and not one individual.
The Tories don't have the numbers to guarantee a victory. May had what many considered to be a better deal, unfortuantely this was not passed and hence the rest is history. Frustating the process has unfortnately come back to affect all of us!
53
04/02/2021 12:28:20 7 5
bbc
FiddlersElbow
“This also exist because Ireland are part of the EU”
~
Indeed, and up until last January, so was the UK.
The problems have emerged because No10 chose to not only take us out of the EU, but also to surrender the considerable benefits of being in the Single Market.
If only it had stuck to the VoteLeave intention of negotiating a good deal with the EU with participation in the CU/SM.
63
04/02/2021 12:34:53 6 2
bbc
A referendum took us out of the EU, as equally a referendum was why we joined!
Call it No 10 if you like, but the same in both instances so not sure why one weighs more than the other.
Except I guess what we signed up to join was far removed from what we left.
88
04/02/2021 12:58:46 1 0
bbc
The referendum may have had a different result if the Leave Campaign was more truthful about impacts. They always knew there was a disadvantage to being out, but flogging the immigration line played to the lowest common denominators. Of which there are millions.
141
04/02/2021 16:51:50 1 0
bbc
FiddlersElbow
“A referendum took us out of the EU”
~
There was no choice during the referendum to determine what Brexit actually looked like. It went from a campaign to negotiate a deal better than membership, including participation in the Single Market, to one which almost dropped us off a no-deal cliff.
These problems are all down to the political choices that No10 has made.
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04/02/2021 12:33:42 6 5
bbc
There may not be a hard border. But the EU is dictating what the people of NI can eat and drink. Preventing free movement of goods between NI and the rest of the UK is control the borders
64
04/02/2021 12:36:05 11 1
bbc
Yes that is exactly what Johnson negotiated and signed.
76
04/02/2021 12:52:24 0 1
bbc
Indeed, if there was a better solution I'm sure Brexiters would have come up with one in all these years.
19
04/02/2021 11:26:57 7 4
bbc
Excellent, can we all continue to act like grown ups now, instead of this pathetic childish tit for tat 'we were right all along, so there' bollocks?
65
04/02/2021 12:37:22 7 2
bbc
Depends are we allowed to discuss rejoining EFTA as the best solution to these problems?
66
04/02/2021 12:40:40 1 0
bbc
In a way, I think NI is very lucky staying in the EU and the UK. They can export their products to the EU without any hassle when we send food products from England to supermarkets than there are problems. I don't understand because the same supermarkets also have shops in Ireland. To send food is not a problem?? Are they locally sourced?That would be even better for Northern Ireland and Ireland.
75
04/02/2021 12:52:17 1 0
bbc
What I noticed in January was that many of the reduced items that I bought from MS in a petrol station in Dec/Jan were destined for the French market as the labelling was in French! I guess these were items that could not be exported in time to beat the sell by dates.
62
04/02/2021 12:33:53 12 2
bbc
Johnson agreed and signed the protocol knowing it meant NI had one foot in the EU and one in the UK. Now he's stuck with it.
67
04/02/2021 12:43:10 5 3
bbc
This was voted on by parliament and not one individual.
The Tories don't have the numbers to guarantee a victory. May had what many considered to be a better deal, unfortuantely this was not passed and hence the rest is history. Frustating the process has unfortnately come back to affect all of us!
82
04/02/2021 12:54:50 3 0
bbc
This was enabled by short-sighted individuals who voted in an appalling oaf anf a useless Government as Brexit was seen as the most important thing. Subsequent events have time and again the folly of believing Boris and his Etonian cabal.
68
04/02/2021 12:44:16 14 1
bbc
This farce & the one over shellfish, just hurt the ordinary people of both the UK and EU member nations

Shame there isn't a rule in politics known as 'The common sense clause'

Unfortunately, agendas trump common sense
84
04/02/2021 12:55:57 13 11
bbc
This is what you voted for. Stop moaning.
107
04/02/2021 13:06:54 2 6
bbc
There is no such thing as common sense in the EU.
69
04/02/2021 12:47:01 3 2
bbc
"If ever there was a time to reunify Ireland, this is it."

When was it unified before?
79
04/02/2021 12:53:26 1 2
bbc
Up until 1922 it was united as part of the then-UK. Religious hatred meant one part wouldn't live peacefully with the other, and it's still there.
47
04/02/2021 12:18:06 25 3
bbc
Finkelstein
“Now they [EU] have stopped shell fish being exported”
~
No. Barrie Deas, chief executive of the National Federation of Fishermen's Organisations said nothing had changed in terms of the EU’s rules. Previously, UK shellfish was purified in continental Europe before being sold. This can no longer happen as we’ve left the Single Market.
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04/02/2021 12:48:10 20 12
bbc
Sad thing about it
It'll mean much higher prices for shellfish in the EU
The stupidity that the shellfish are caught in the same waters by EU & UK boats but our boats aren't allowed to land them, is a prime example of EU bureaucracy trumping common sense for the good of the people
Of course it's also a £400m opportunity to expand our own purification capabilities
90
04/02/2021 13:01:14 8 2
bbc
More gibberish. COmmon sense isn't the issue. Common sense dictates we should never have left. This is a direct result of an incompetent PM forcing through a rotten deal, allowing no further extension and proclaiming it a great success. Brexiteers caused this shambles, Brexiteers own it. You keep prattling on about about purification, who pays? The companies are going bust.
143
04/02/2021 17:22:15 4 2
bbc
Dancer
“The stupidity that the shellfish are caught in the same waters by EU & UK boats”
~
As the shellfish are caught in British waters that aren’t clean enough, the fish require filtering before sale. This used to happen in other EU countries, but now the UK is outside the Single Market, it has lost access to those facilities.
Common sense would have been to remain in the CU/SM.
55
04/02/2021 12:30:57 2 1
bbc
None of that is true. Where do you get this nonsense?
71
04/02/2021 12:48:13 2 0
bbc
The voices in his head
I hope Krankie's gang take note of what trouble can arise for both parties when you partition an island. Removed
77
04/02/2021 12:52:51 2 1
bbc
And you have the cheek to call yourself a reasonable chap. Scottish independence if it arrives will be by ballot box. No such thing ever happened with the partition of Ireland.
60
04/02/2021 12:33:31 9 1
bbc
That's right MVS the UK press have been incredibly restrained about the EU for the past 30 years.

Our current PM was dismissed for lying about a meeting with it's officials for example.

If you don't like the Brexit related bad news tell us about the Brexit related good news.

The BBC is doing it's best to find them, maybe you could list the ones the BBC missed?
73
04/02/2021 12:50:09 2 2
bbc
1. Little comment on the EU Commission letting Germany off the hook for entering a separate deal to purchase 30 million extra BioNTech/Pfizer does outside of EU deal.
2. No HYS opened up over EU Commission move to trigger Article 16.
3. No HYS opened up on the EU and China agreement despite clear Human Right abuses in China.
61
04/02/2021 12:33:42 6 5
bbc
There may not be a hard border. But the EU is dictating what the people of NI can eat and drink. Preventing free movement of goods between NI and the rest of the UK is control the borders
74
04/02/2021 12:51:02 3 1
bbc
Didn't Brexiters vote to "take back control of our borders"?

Well there you go, the EU is doing the same; the implications of the GFA have been know to everyone since before the referendum, yet the UK voted for Brexit.

And no, the EU isn't "dictating" what NI can drink/eat any more than before. Au contraire, they have unfettered access to the EU market, unlike GB.
66
04/02/2021 12:40:40 1 0
bbc
In a way, I think NI is very lucky staying in the EU and the UK. They can export their products to the EU without any hassle when we send food products from England to supermarkets than there are problems. I don't understand because the same supermarkets also have shops in Ireland. To send food is not a problem?? Are they locally sourced?That would be even better for Northern Ireland and Ireland.
75
04/02/2021 12:52:17 1 0
bbc
What I noticed in January was that many of the reduced items that I bought from MS in a petrol station in Dec/Jan were destined for the French market as the labelling was in French! I guess these were items that could not be exported in time to beat the sell by dates.
64
04/02/2021 12:36:05 11 1
bbc
Yes that is exactly what Johnson negotiated and signed.
76
04/02/2021 12:52:24 0 1
bbc
Indeed, if there was a better solution I'm sure Brexiters would have come up with one in all these years.
I hope Krankie's gang take note of what trouble can arise for both parties when you partition an island. Removed
77
04/02/2021 12:52:51 2 1
bbc
And you have the cheek to call yourself a reasonable chap. Scottish independence if it arrives will be by ballot box. No such thing ever happened with the partition of Ireland.
78
04/02/2021 12:53:20 6 1
bbc
Most people in NI and Ireland don't want a border. Most people don't want to go back to the troubles. That UK (mostly) food firms have problems sending items to NI, it is small price for peace. Some political parties who scream the most, they gain the most with anger and fear. Having everlasting peace is so much better than not finding a sausage from England.
163
04/02/2021 20:47:55 0 1
bbc
Not being able to send potatoes to Ireland (north or south) is "taking the biscuit".
211
05/02/2021 18:36:16 0 0
bbc
Guide dogs banned and UK sausages even if not travelling beyond NI. NI remains in the UK single market? Pull the other one!
69
04/02/2021 12:47:01 3 2
bbc
"If ever there was a time to reunify Ireland, this is it."

When was it unified before?
79
04/02/2021 12:53:26 1 2
bbc
Up until 1922 it was united as part of the then-UK. Religious hatred meant one part wouldn't live peacefully with the other, and it's still there.
105
04/02/2021 13:02:37 1 1
bbc
Ireland was never united, that is why it has history with the likes of Cromwell and William III.
14
04/02/2021 11:17:13 8 17
bbc
This was clearly explained pre-referendum in Cameron's letterbox drop to every household.

YVW
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04/02/2021 12:53:56 4 0
bbc
Did Johnson not read his copy of that either?
48
04/02/2021 12:18:46 33 12
bbc
I'm confused, can the DUP explain why it is the EU's fault that the UK voted to leave the EU and the UK Government that they continue to support negotiated a trade deal that "cannot work".

Otherwise it looks like Arlene Foster is angry that the Brexit that she voted for and knew would lead to these problems, has lead to these problems?

Or does she just want a bung of British tax payers money?
81
04/02/2021 12:54:42 14 8
bbc
It almost sounds as if the British government is pursuing the breakup of the UK.
127
04/02/2021 14:36:33 0 2
bbc
That was hard Remoan in the British government. They have all been got rid of now thankfully!
67
04/02/2021 12:43:10 5 3
bbc
This was voted on by parliament and not one individual.
The Tories don't have the numbers to guarantee a victory. May had what many considered to be a better deal, unfortuantely this was not passed and hence the rest is history. Frustating the process has unfortnately come back to affect all of us!
82
04/02/2021 12:54:50 3 0
bbc
This was enabled by short-sighted individuals who voted in an appalling oaf anf a useless Government as Brexit was seen as the most important thing. Subsequent events have time and again the folly of believing Boris and his Etonian cabal.
26
04/02/2021 11:38:31 9 3
bbc
Of course Johnson sold NI down the river. There are two choices now - live with the Protocol and get on with it, or allow a border poll. I believe the last border poll was in 1973, so high time for another “once in a generation” poll.
83
04/02/2021 12:55:48 0 0
bbc
Civil war on your doorstep, a so called united Ireland would fight like two ferrets in a sack, I for one would have the popcorn out
68
04/02/2021 12:44:16 14 1
bbc
This farce & the one over shellfish, just hurt the ordinary people of both the UK and EU member nations

Shame there isn't a rule in politics known as 'The common sense clause'

Unfortunately, agendas trump common sense
84
04/02/2021 12:55:57 13 11
bbc
This is what you voted for. Stop moaning.
50
04/02/2021 12:24:14 4 6
bbc
Yep, could be 3 years on if the inevitable outcome of the result had been accepted, rather than remainers bleating on 3 years past their sell by date!
85
04/02/2021 12:56:27 2 1
bbc
Brexiters always blaming someone else, uh?

Grow up, the party who called the referendum has been in power since 2015.
61
04/02/2021 12:33:42 6 5
bbc
There may not be a hard border. But the EU is dictating what the people of NI can eat and drink. Preventing free movement of goods between NI and the rest of the UK is control the borders
86
04/02/2021 12:56:39 0 1
bbc
You can't blame the EU for Boris forcing Brexit through half-baked (not oven-ready) and signing this deal. We're "sovereign" now (we always were), time to blame Brexiteers and the useless Government they elected to enable Vrexit.
38
04/02/2021 12:03:18 6 13
bbc
The protectionist unelected EU council have gone out of their way to be awkward. They are the ones that put in place a vaccine border before a U-Turn. Now they have stopped shell fish being exported. 'constructive discussions' in any sentence pertaining to the EU is a contradiction. Not if but simply when one of the so-called big boys like France or Italy go legs up and then its 'dominos' Karma!
87
04/02/2021 12:58:27 1 0
bbc
The EU council isn't any more "unelected" than the UK government is.

The ban on exports of certain live animals applies to all 3rd countries, which the UK chose to become. Didn't you know "what you voted for"?
63
04/02/2021 12:34:53 6 2
bbc
A referendum took us out of the EU, as equally a referendum was why we joined!
Call it No 10 if you like, but the same in both instances so not sure why one weighs more than the other.
Except I guess what we signed up to join was far removed from what we left.
88
04/02/2021 12:58:46 1 0
bbc
The referendum may have had a different result if the Leave Campaign was more truthful about impacts. They always knew there was a disadvantage to being out, but flogging the immigration line played to the lowest common denominators. Of which there are millions.
53
04/02/2021 12:28:20 7 5
bbc
FiddlersElbow
“This also exist because Ireland are part of the EU”
~
Indeed, and up until last January, so was the UK.
The problems have emerged because No10 chose to not only take us out of the EU, but also to surrender the considerable benefits of being in the Single Market.
If only it had stuck to the VoteLeave intention of negotiating a good deal with the EU with participation in the CU/SM.
89
04/02/2021 12:59:08 0 1
bbc
If we had stayed in the cu/sm, we, in effect, wouldn't have left at all. Vote Leave never plugged "vote pretend to leave". Number Ten did what the majority demanded.
140
04/02/2021 16:44:46 1 0
bbc
aReasonableChap
“If we had stayed in the cu/sm, we, in effect, wouldn't have left at all. Vote Leave never plugged ‘vote pretend to leave’”.
~
Norway is in the EU’s Single Market but isn’t a member, proving your view to be just that, an opinion, not a fact. VoteLeave promoted this as a way forward, and at the time many of its supporters put leaving the Single Market down as ‘project fear’.
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04/02/2021 12:48:10 20 12
bbc
Sad thing about it
It'll mean much higher prices for shellfish in the EU
The stupidity that the shellfish are caught in the same waters by EU & UK boats but our boats aren't allowed to land them, is a prime example of EU bureaucracy trumping common sense for the good of the people
Of course it's also a £400m opportunity to expand our own purification capabilities
90
04/02/2021 13:01:14 8 2
bbc
More gibberish. COmmon sense isn't the issue. Common sense dictates we should never have left. This is a direct result of an incompetent PM forcing through a rotten deal, allowing no further extension and proclaiming it a great success. Brexiteers caused this shambles, Brexiteers own it. You keep prattling on about about purification, who pays? The companies are going bust.
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TT
04/02/2021 13:02:11 6 1
bbc
"It was introduced to avoid creating a hard border on the island of Ireland. Instead there are checks on some products travelling from Great Britain to Northern Ireland."

If only it were as simple as just checks! Some products which were previously sent to NI (e.g Agricultural seed needed by farmers to grow crops) are now not allowed by EU law to be sent to NI.
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NRB
04/02/2021 13:03:15 2 0
bbc
Looks like Michael Gove at his very best
93
04/02/2021 13:04:18 14 0
bbc
"No British Prime Minister could ever contemplate a border in the Irish Sea." Boris Johnson's exact words spoken in Parliament. I wonder if the DUP have realised yet that they've been conned.
94
04/02/2021 12:48:21 5 3
bbc
Best quote I heard yesterday is that Ursula Von der Leyen is Germany's answer to Gavin Williamson!

If she carries on she might surpass Chris Grayling for ineptitude!
36
04/02/2021 11:54:39 2 9
bbc
The EU demanded such controls and border line, the Eu threatened article 16, yet WE have to work together to resolve the problem.
Seems to me that the vindictive demand of the EU federallist Brexit negotiators are now causing sever political issues with its memeer states and need the UK to help make them look good once more. Meanwhile NI gets stuff by EU regs
95
04/02/2021 13:06:37 1 0
bbc
The GFA has existed for over 20 years and its implications have been known all along. Same for EU rules on imports/exports with the bloc.

Did you not know "what you voted for"?
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jo
04/02/2021 12:05:51 19 11
bbc
The Brexit deal: a united Ireland achieved through the back door.
96
04/02/2021 13:07:17 6 2
bbc
In the next episode: The UK breaks up.
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04/02/2021 10:59:31 43 14
bbc
All of this has been brought into sharp focus by the EU's recent move to install a "vaccine" border between NI and the EU part of Ireland. I know that they have now rescinded this masterstroke but the fallout will last sometime. In Irish politics nothing is ever forgotten. Or forgiven.
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30
04/02/2021 11:44:15 5 6
bbc
"It’s either the Protocal or Irish reunification."

That about sums up the EU's grasp of the fragility of Irish politics.
98
04/02/2021 12:51:08 5 6
bbc
The EU have a pretty feeble grasp of most subjects!
31
04/02/2021 11:46:41 25 6
bbc
Nationalists never wanted Brexit and voted against it (the reason why NI voted against Brexit). A border anywhere on the island of Ireland was going to be a challenge to the GFA but it was the DUP that championed Brexit and they voted against the GFA.
Loyalists now thrashing about blaming everyone else for their idiocy isn't fooling anyone.
Removed
29
04/02/2021 11:43:23 10 10
bbc
Let's not forget that this whole border issue is purely to safeguard the EU's tariffs on imports from around the world which they feared would arrive via the UK (and then be tariff free into th EU).
Just like the EU's hard border for vaccines, it's all about protectionism by an uncompetitive inefficient European cabal.
100
04/02/2021 13:09:44 4 0
bbc
The EU are "taking back control" of their borders, just like Brexiters vowed to do. Is it not to your taste when others do it too?