Covid: Antibodies last at least six months in most
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The UK Biobank took blood samples from 20,000 people every month - and just under 1,700 had antibodies.
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Six months is a short period of time. We do not yet know how much immunity the vaccines give us as it is too early to tell. And the virus is constantly mutating. There is no room for complacency here.
Yes. Such a shame that Capt Tom didn't have the vaccine in December before he and his family traveled to Barbados.
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"There is no room for complacency here."
But people like you are very complacent about seeing the jobs, education and mental health of millions of UK citizens wrecked.
Paid up mortgage, and cushy pension, by any chance?
But people like you are very complacent about seeing the jobs, education and mental health of millions of UK citizens wrecked.
Paid up mortgage, and cushy pension, by any chance?
For once UK decision making seems to be ahead of the curve.
Such a shame that Capt Tom didn't have the vaccine in December before he and his family traveled to Barbados.
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Such a shame that Capt Tom didn't have the vaccine in December before he and his family traveled to Barbados.
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It’s like Stockholm Syndrome what some of these lockdown lovers have. They must have led very tedious lives before the pandemic I can only assume.
I can accept lockdown as a short term measure to protect the elderly, vulnerable but not one nanosecond longer than that.
And if vaccines prove ineffective, well too bad. We can’t live like this forever, it’s not living at all.
I can accept lockdown as a short term measure to protect the elderly, vulnerable but not one nanosecond longer than that.
And if vaccines prove ineffective, well too bad. We can’t live like this forever, it’s not living at all.
Well one thing's for sure. You really are the apitome of everything he wasn't.
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In the ENTIRE WORLD there have literally only been a handful of verified reinfections: mostly immunocompromised people. This represents ABSOLUTELY OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE that almost everyone, including the asymptomatic, who recovers from covid-19 DOES have long term immunity. They can no longer catch or spread covid, and they certainly don't need vaccination.
Why try so hard to hide these FACTS?
Why try so hard to hide these FACTS?
Define long-term.
What's your point? Most people have never been infected so are still at risk and it is far far cheaper to give everyone the vaccine than to fart about with tests which are not outstandingly accurate.
Positive news about antibodies lasting a decent length of time, along with the effectiveness of the Oxford/AZ jab and new vaccines coming on stream. Let's hope that there's a bold plan to get things up and running again from March.
In 6 months time we will get told that antibodies last at least 12 months. Nature is following it's natural course, the human body is amazing.
Things are moving in the right direction and lockdown will be eased when it is safe to do so.
In the ENTIRE WORLD there have literally only been a handful of verified reinfections: mostly immunocompromised people. This represents ABSOLUTELY OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE that almost everyone, including the asymptomatic, who recovers from covid-19 DOES have long term immunity. They can no longer catch or spread covid, and they certainly don't need vaccination.
Why try so hard to hide these FACTS?
Why try so hard to hide these FACTS?
Excellent news we can now see that the light at the end of the tunnel is shining brighter today good to get positive news rather than negative thoughts
This is excellent news and great evidence that those who have had covid do not need a vaccination therefore herd immunity does have a chance.
Fully expect evidence of antibodies to continue. The vaccine offers 6 months protection, thankfully nature is stronger.
Fully expect evidence of antibodies to continue. The vaccine offers 6 months protection, thankfully nature is stronger.
"At least," Careful now, you're almost making a case for some herd immunity.
Herd immunity to an RNA virus that is constantly mutating isn't a thing... think influenza and the common cold.
The countries who have most successfully tackled CV19 have had a "Zero Covid" strategy. Vaccination has, to-date, played no part in that strategy. Those countries have been able to return to normality and have had a lesser hit to their economy, despite lockdowns.
The countries who have most successfully tackled CV19 have had a "Zero Covid" strategy. Vaccination has, to-date, played no part in that strategy. Those countries have been able to return to normality and have had a lesser hit to their economy, despite lockdowns.
The media incited public opinion to the extent that the herd immunity case was a politically impossible option for the Government.
Right or wrong, crippling the economy was the only viable solution left to it.
Right or wrong, crippling the economy was the only viable solution left to it.
Sad that the media have so much influence and report so much unproven opinion.
It's what the media do.
That's why we can't have a sensible drug policy, for instance, or a rational discussion about the best way to run the NHS.
That's why we can't have a sensible drug policy, for instance, or a rational discussion about the best way to run the NHS.
This about sums up Covid policy discourse.
"I think we should consider exiting this cycle of lockdowns and accepting that deaths will occur. I'm staring at bankruptcy. I can't even find menial jobs because they're flooded with professionals who have already been made redundant. I've had to sell my car, put the house on the market and look at new schools."
yOu wAnT mY gRaN tO dIe YoU pSyChO!!!
"I think we should consider exiting this cycle of lockdowns and accepting that deaths will occur. I'm staring at bankruptcy. I can't even find menial jobs because they're flooded with professionals who have already been made redundant. I've had to sell my car, put the house on the market and look at new schools."
yOu wAnT mY gRaN tO dIe YoU pSyChO!!!
Herd immunity will be achieved via natural infection and vaccination. It was never removed as an option because it is the only option.
Take the vaccine, recent evidence suggests it not only protects you, but others as well. It's would be selfish not to.
It's selfish (and unethical) to expect others to undergo medical treatment for YOUR benefit!
Monsieur Macron says that this vaccine is quasi innefective. That's good enough for me.
That makes little sense saying people are selfish.
If you've had the vaccine you're less likely to catch covid and now less likely to pass it on.
If you haven't had the vaccine you're taking a risk for yourself as those vaccinated won't be affected if they catch it again and are unlikely to pass it on.
So who are you protecting if you opt out? Only those that are willing to take the risk?
If you've had the vaccine you're less likely to catch covid and now less likely to pass it on.
If you haven't had the vaccine you're taking a risk for yourself as those vaccinated won't be affected if they catch it again and are unlikely to pass it on.
So who are you protecting if you opt out? Only those that are willing to take the risk?
Perhaps in the interests of balance you should look at deaths since vaccinated within a 28 day period. Then again with no autopsy's we will never know will we.
4 deaths in Israel, Norwegian gov't halts vaccinations until more evidence is seen.
If you have had covid and have antibodies do you want an overdose?
4 deaths in Israel, Norwegian gov't halts vaccinations until more evidence is seen.
If you have had covid and have antibodies do you want an overdose?
We're buying time at the moment, as someone said, it's the end of the beginning.
This virus is proving to be no pushover and the variant strains have come as an unpleasant reminder even before the first wave of vaccinations have got going.
We need to be grateful that the scientists and medics are vigilant on our behalf and they remain optimistic about being able to adapt to the mutations
This virus is proving to be no pushover and the variant strains have come as an unpleasant reminder even before the first wave of vaccinations have got going.
We need to be grateful that the scientists and medics are vigilant on our behalf and they remain optimistic about being able to adapt to the mutations
As a scientist working on sars-cov2 (covid19), I'm not optimistic this is the beginning of the end.
This is just the beginning of an endless cycle.
This is just the beginning of an endless cycle.
"This virus is proving to be no pushover"
But scaring people about it certainly was.
But scaring people about it certainly was.
Covid is here to stay, we wont eradicate this.
By the time everyone is vaccinated, the virus will either have mutated to the point the vaccine is ineffective or/and those that were vaccinated first, would have lost their immunity. This is going to be a never ending cycle IMO.
By the time everyone is vaccinated, the virus will either have mutated to the point the vaccine is ineffective or/and those that were vaccinated first, would have lost their immunity. This is going to be a never ending cycle IMO.
So much hope in the vaccines, to clean up allowing this to ravage through communities
Now, because of that choice, they are out in full force to clean up the mutations in those communities to protect the vaccine
If they’d have done this first..?
I don’t care, celebrating buying a vaccine & distribution to protect citizens is a given, not a win
I feel like the whole country is going backwards
Now, because of that choice, they are out in full force to clean up the mutations in those communities to protect the vaccine
If they’d have done this first..?
I don’t care, celebrating buying a vaccine & distribution to protect citizens is a given, not a win
I feel like the whole country is going backwards
We're buying time at the moment, as someone said, it's the end of the beginning.
This virus is proving to be no pushover and the variant strains have come as an unpleasant reminder even before the first wave of vaccinations have got going.
We need to be grateful that the scientists and medics are vigilant on our behalf and they remain optimistic about being able to adapt to the mutations
This virus is proving to be no pushover and the variant strains have come as an unpleasant reminder even before the first wave of vaccinations have got going.
We need to be grateful that the scientists and medics are vigilant on our behalf and they remain optimistic about being able to adapt to the mutations
We’ve had pandemics since time immemorial. None of them resulted in an endless cycle of lockdowns. Doing it for a short time to protect elderly/vulnerable is one thing. But if we’re talking decades....I don’t want to live the next 50 years cowering just so that I can die of cancer at 89 instead of covid at 84. I’d probably just throw myself off a building at 40 if this is all life has to offer.
I wonder how long it will be before we hear from some bureaucrat in the EU saying the exact opposite.
Immunity from vaccines and infection, together with the rate of both, suggest we should hit herd immunity by the spring.
Yes, if the vaccine does reduce transmission by around 2/3rds (may be slightly different for Pfizer) that should mean for every million vaccinated R would reduce by around 1%. So already within a couple of weeks it will have reduced by 10% and it’s possible to reach 30% in March which would be enough to relax most restrictions without seeing a resurgence in infections.
How dare you! Next thing, you'll be asking to have your normal life and freedoms back.
The majority of them are likely to have been infected earlier than May too so the results suggest there would still be high levels of protection after 7 or 8 months.
So much hope in the vaccines, to clean up allowing this to ravage through communities
Now, because of that choice, they are out in full force to clean up the mutations in those communities to protect the vaccine
If they’d have done this first..?
I don’t care, celebrating buying a vaccine & distribution to protect citizens is a given, not a win
I feel like the whole country is going backwards
Now, because of that choice, they are out in full force to clean up the mutations in those communities to protect the vaccine
If they’d have done this first..?
I don’t care, celebrating buying a vaccine & distribution to protect citizens is a given, not a win
I feel like the whole country is going backwards
We’ve had pandemics since time immemorial. None of them resulted in an endless cycle of lockdowns. Doing it for a short time to protect elderly/vulnerable is one thing. But if we’re talking decades....I don’t want to live the next 50 years cowering just so that I can die of cancer at 89 instead of covid at 84. I’d probably just throw myself off a building at 40 if this is all life has to offer.
I agree.
This is why I'm not optimistic that we will see the end of Covid-19. It will mutate and continue, we will be in a never ending cycle of vaccinations against new strains (like we do with the influenza virus).
I take the same attitude, at 34 I don't want to live in a never ending cycle of lockdowns. We are sooner (I hope) or later going to have to accept that Covid-19 is here to stay.
This is why I'm not optimistic that we will see the end of Covid-19. It will mutate and continue, we will be in a never ending cycle of vaccinations against new strains (like we do with the influenza virus).
I take the same attitude, at 34 I don't want to live in a never ending cycle of lockdowns. We are sooner (I hope) or later going to have to accept that Covid-19 is here to stay.
Thank you.
I originally started working on developing diagnostics for cancer markers and heart disease (the latter is what I did my PhD in). This quickly changed to developing diagnostics for Covid-19. It is interesting work that I rather enjoy, and hopefully it is of benefit to the world.
I wish you and everyone else well
I originally started working on developing diagnostics for cancer markers and heart disease (the latter is what I did my PhD in). This quickly changed to developing diagnostics for Covid-19. It is interesting work that I rather enjoy, and hopefully it is of benefit to the world.
I wish you and everyone else well
Define long-term.
I'd like to see a map of where over70s are being vaccinated. Friends from Birmingham to IOW have had theirs, my GP web page doesn't mention them - are they involved at all or have some opted out? Spouse is keen but has heard nothing.
Yes, if the vaccine does reduce transmission by around 2/3rds (may be slightly different for Pfizer) that should mean for every million vaccinated R would reduce by around 1%. So already within a couple of weeks it will have reduced by 10% and it’s possible to reach 30% in March which would be enough to relax most restrictions without seeing a resurgence in infections.
It’s like Stockholm Syndrome what some of these lockdown lovers have. They must have led very tedious lives before the pandemic I can only assume.
I can accept lockdown as a short term measure to protect the elderly, vulnerable but not one nanosecond longer than that.
And if vaccines prove ineffective, well too bad. We can’t live like this forever, it’s not living at all.
I can accept lockdown as a short term measure to protect the elderly, vulnerable but not one nanosecond longer than that.
And if vaccines prove ineffective, well too bad. We can’t live like this forever, it’s not living at all.
At least 6 months, reading reports natural immunity could least years, good news for people that have had covid.
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Natural immunity lasts a lifetime. Antibodies wane but the more lethal T-cells and the B-cells that generate Abs don't forget so easily. This is why we should be looking at vaccines that create high levels of these cellular responses, not just high amounts of Abs.
Should the government move anyone who has tested positive to covid to the back of the queue for the vaccine - only vaccine those that have not tested positive first then vaccinate the people who have tested positive?
How many people have tested positive in the country and who now have immunity?
Lets only vaccinate those that have not tested positive.
How many people have tested positive in the country and who now have immunity?
Lets only vaccinate those that have not tested positive.
There is merit in this idea, as a way to give everyone at least some protection sooner, but I don't think the government will go with it. After 50 year olds, I reckon it will be certain frontline occupations, then continuing down in 5/10 year age groups.
3.8m positive cases according to Worldometers data, although that goes back to the start of the pandemic, so immunity may have 'expired' for some. But it's an interesting suggestion and would contribute to a more targeted approach aimed at those with no protection. Some of the non-vaccinated population will have had the virus asymptomatically, but sounds like a good strategy to help prioritise.
We're buying time at the moment, as someone said, it's the end of the beginning.
This virus is proving to be no pushover and the variant strains have come as an unpleasant reminder even before the first wave of vaccinations have got going.
We need to be grateful that the scientists and medics are vigilant on our behalf and they remain optimistic about being able to adapt to the mutations
This virus is proving to be no pushover and the variant strains have come as an unpleasant reminder even before the first wave of vaccinations have got going.
We need to be grateful that the scientists and medics are vigilant on our behalf and they remain optimistic about being able to adapt to the mutations
If you don't have it then either keep your self quarantined and get tested if you want to mingle with others, or carry a bell around and ring it saying 'unclean unclean' as you go.
Should the government move anyone who has tested positive to covid to the back of the queue for the vaccine - only vaccine those that have not tested positive first then vaccinate the people who have tested positive?
How many people have tested positive in the country and who now have immunity?
Lets only vaccinate those that have not tested positive.
How many people have tested positive in the country and who now have immunity?
Lets only vaccinate those that have not tested positive.
So, a bit like the flu virus then?
So why are the French and the rest of the EU trying to get their hands on it ?
He just comes over as completely anti UK ... maybe he could get a job at the BBC ?
He just comes over as completely anti UK ... maybe he could get a job at the BBC ?
The Biobank study has only appeared as Bulletins on their website. It has not been published in BMJ or Lancet. The Covid-19 reinfection tracker site has logged 39 cases of cov-19 reinfection, the mean time interval between infections was 3 months so I would not believe this study until it gets peer reviewed.
To update the cov-19 reinfection tracker website has now 47 cases of reinfection logged with a mean interval between infections of 84 days (12 weeks) which is less than the Biobank finding.
GPs should pre test for natural immunity prior to vaccination, it may be some folk may be vaccinated needlessly adding additional costs to NHS unnecessarily , pre testing for immunity could avoid vaccine overspend.
That makes little sense saying people are selfish.
If you've had the vaccine you're less likely to catch covid and now less likely to pass it on.
If you haven't had the vaccine you're taking a risk for yourself as those vaccinated won't be affected if they catch it again and are unlikely to pass it on.
So who are you protecting if you opt out? Only those that are willing to take the risk?
If you've had the vaccine you're less likely to catch covid and now less likely to pass it on.
If you haven't had the vaccine you're taking a risk for yourself as those vaccinated won't be affected if they catch it again and are unlikely to pass it on.
So who are you protecting if you opt out? Only those that are willing to take the risk?
Just a thought. Those who don't take the vaccine and who may catch and pass on Covid to others who haven't taken the vaccine provide a platform for further mutations as a result of that 'transfer'. Some mutations may be less virulent; others may evade the protection offered by the current vaccines.
The Biobank study has only appeared as Bulletins on their website. It has not been published in BMJ or Lancet. The Covid-19 reinfection tracker site has logged 39 cases of cov-19 reinfection, the mean time interval between infections was 3 months so I would not believe this study until it gets peer reviewed.
The media incited public opinion to the extent that the herd immunity case was a politically impossible option for the Government.
Right or wrong, crippling the economy was the only viable solution left to it.
Right or wrong, crippling the economy was the only viable solution left to it.
If you don’t have top three symptoms, you can’t get a test, you hit red tape, even if a close contact tests positive
People want to do the right thing and can’t
Because track and trace won’t adapt the boxes that need ticking, enabling mutations, undermining its own reason to exist
I hope the vaccine works, because track and trace doesn’t, and there within is the problem
People want to do the right thing and can’t
Because track and trace won’t adapt the boxes that need ticking, enabling mutations, undermining its own reason to exist
I hope the vaccine works, because track and trace doesn’t, and there within is the problem
If you don’t have top three symptoms, you can’t get a test, you hit red tape, even if a close contact tests positive
People want to do the right thing and can’t
Because track and trace won’t adapt the boxes that need ticking, enabling mutations, undermining its own reason to exist
I hope the vaccine works, because track and trace doesn’t, and there within is the problem
People want to do the right thing and can’t
Because track and trace won’t adapt the boxes that need ticking, enabling mutations, undermining its own reason to exist
I hope the vaccine works, because track and trace doesn’t, and there within is the problem
PCR test does not prove infectivity. It only detects viral RNA. A positive PCR result could be it detecting RNA from live virus (Sars-cov-2) OR it could be detecting residual RNA fragments from a previous infection, in which someone has had Cov-19 and recovered and is no longer infectious. In order to distinguish between these you need simultaneous viral cultures to isolate live virus.
Dodo Harding says no one could predict that the virus would mutate. That`s simply not true. Scientists were talking about 2nd wave variants from the start. All viruses mutate.
Track and Trace is a very difficult task - for instance, a significant number lie about their contacts. But she isn't the right person to head it and she isn't doing a very good job.
Contrast with Kate Bingham. All the necessary technical skills and left alone to get on with it.
Contrast with Kate Bingham. All the necessary technical skills and left alone to get on with it.
That makes little sense saying people are selfish.
If you've had the vaccine you're less likely to catch covid and now less likely to pass it on.
If you haven't had the vaccine you're taking a risk for yourself as those vaccinated won't be affected if they catch it again and are unlikely to pass it on.
So who are you protecting if you opt out? Only those that are willing to take the risk?
If you've had the vaccine you're less likely to catch covid and now less likely to pass it on.
If you haven't had the vaccine you're taking a risk for yourself as those vaccinated won't be affected if they catch it again and are unlikely to pass it on.
So who are you protecting if you opt out? Only those that are willing to take the risk?
Once we we are vaccinated the issue will plummet in this country and we can help others even more. The Spanish flu hung around for about 3 years Globally then vanished/burned itself out so stay positive as the white coats will get us through this.
Hope so but it needs each and every country that gets a handle on the virus to close its borders until all other countries also do so - and sure, we can and should help with that when we can.
Not quite true. The H1N1 virus that caused the "Spanish Flu" is still around. Those of us who get the Flu vaccine every year, and do a little research, know that it is one of the 3, possibly 4, strains of Flu included in the annual vaccine.
As for Spanish Flu, it actually originated in Kansas but, because of WW!, Spain was the only European country commenting on the outbreak, hence its misnomer.
As for Spanish Flu, it actually originated in Kansas but, because of WW!, Spain was the only European country commenting on the outbreak, hence its misnomer.
Jus because antibodies were discovered isn’t a reason not to get vaccinated. If we were in the same position as other countries maybe but just this once we are well ahead of most. Please let’s just have the jab and try to get this done as quickly and efficiently as possible. We are then in a better position to help others.
Scientists have stated that Pfizer BioNTech vaccine gives less protection (approx 52% efficacy) after the first jab. It is only after the second jab that efficacy rises to 92%.
Good.
Conservatives vote down protections for NHS in trade deals on deadliest day in pandemic.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/tories-vote-down-protections-for-nhs-in-trade-deals-on-deadliest-day-in-pandemic/19/01/
First act in Pandemic - repay party-donors at cost of public lives and billions.
Conservatives vote down protections for NHS in trade deals on deadliest day in pandemic.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/tories-vote-down-protections-for-nhs-in-trade-deals-on-deadliest-day-in-pandemic/19/01/
First act in Pandemic - repay party-donors at cost of public lives and billions.
The Guardian is this way -> https://www.theguardian.com/uk
It's selfish (and unethical) to expect others to undergo medical treatment for YOUR benefit!
For once UK decision making seems to be ahead of the curve.
It's selfish (and unethical) to expect others to undergo medical treatment for YOUR benefit!
Not advocating herd immunity through infection. But I wonder how many people are immune following the second wave? Added to those vaccinated will we hit a magic number for herd immunity before the summer?
It's selfish (and unethical) to expect others to undergo medical treatment for YOUR benefit!
Dodo Harding says no one could predict that the virus would mutate. That`s simply not true. Scientists were talking about 2nd wave variants from the start. All viruses mutate.
GPs should pre test for natural immunity prior to vaccination, it may be some folk may be vaccinated needlessly adding additional costs to NHS unnecessarily , pre testing for immunity could avoid vaccine overspend.
Even when all are vaccinated here we must keep our borders shut until the rest of the world (particularly Europe) also has been vaccinated.
The virus was brought to us that way, lest we forget. The Isle of Man, now as good as virus free, still has its borders closed.
The virus was brought to us that way, lest we forget. The Isle of Man, now as good as virus free, still has its borders closed.
I don't think you realise the costs of that.
Travel and tourism is worth 214bn per annum. 40% of UK exports travel out of the country on passenger aircraft from LHR. In fact, cargo costs have already increased 5 or 6 times because of the reduced capacity.
Think how long it's going to take to wait for Burkina Faso or Somalia to get in gear. Better to establish corridors with proper testing.
Travel and tourism is worth 214bn per annum. 40% of UK exports travel out of the country on passenger aircraft from LHR. In fact, cargo costs have already increased 5 or 6 times because of the reduced capacity.
Think how long it's going to take to wait for Burkina Faso or Somalia to get in gear. Better to establish corridors with proper testing.
It's curious that there are parts of England and Scotland that are virtually free of the virus (have a look at the map on coronavirus.data.gov.uk) without having borders. I wonder why?
Scientists have stated that Pfizer BioNTech vaccine gives less protection (approx 52% efficacy) after the first jab. It is only after the second jab that efficacy rises to 92%.
But almost the opposite for the AZ vaccine, now said to give 76% protection on the first shot, 82% or so on the second. Also great news, that is reduces transmission by 67%.
For both the issue is new variants. Hence why it is increasingly absurd we keep our borders open in any way, shape or form as doing so already puts pressure on vaccines, many of which have now been given out.
For both the issue is new variants. Hence why it is increasingly absurd we keep our borders open in any way, shape or form as doing so already puts pressure on vaccines, many of which have now been given out.
Other scientists reach a different conclusion. Pfizer always had a 2-dose strategy, but if you deduct the 15-21 days for the first jab to build up immunity the efficacy is around 90%.
Scientists have stated that Pfizer BioNTech vaccine gives less protection (approx 52% efficacy) after the first jab. It is only after the second jab that efficacy rises to 92%.
But almost the opposite for the AZ vaccine, now said to give 76% protection on the first shot, 82% or so on the second. Also great news, that is reduces transmission by 67%.
For both the issue is new variants. Hence why it is increasingly absurd we keep our borders open in any way, shape or form as doing so already puts pressure on vaccines, many of which have now been given out.
For both the issue is new variants. Hence why it is increasingly absurd we keep our borders open in any way, shape or form as doing so already puts pressure on vaccines, many of which have now been given out.
So you are advocating continuing incarceration of the UK population at home until everyone has had 2 jabs of any vaccine.
In the ENTIRE WORLD there have literally only been a handful of verified reinfections: mostly immunocompromised people. This represents ABSOLUTELY OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE that almost everyone, including the asymptomatic, who recovers from covid-19 DOES have long term immunity. They can no longer catch or spread covid, and they certainly don't need vaccination.
Why try so hard to hide these FACTS?
Why try so hard to hide these FACTS?
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Not advocating herd immunity through infection.
Why? It's worked OK for a million years. This isn't the first virus we've had to deal with.
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Not advocating herd immunity through infection.
Why? It's worked OK for a million years. This isn't the first virus we've had to deal with.
Why does this keep having to be explain to people?
Why, because 100,000s will die if you rely on immunity by infection
Otherwise it would be seasonal flu and we wouldn't be locked down
However some immunity from infection, and most from vaccination will result in herd immunity at some point…
…Until further mutations arise
Otherwise it would be seasonal flu and we wouldn't be locked down
However some immunity from infection, and most from vaccination will result in herd immunity at some point…
…Until further mutations arise
But almost the opposite for the AZ vaccine, now said to give 76% protection on the first shot, 82% or so on the second. Also great news, that is reduces transmission by 67%.
For both the issue is new variants. Hence why it is increasingly absurd we keep our borders open in any way, shape or form as doing so already puts pressure on vaccines, many of which have now been given out.
For both the issue is new variants. Hence why it is increasingly absurd we keep our borders open in any way, shape or form as doing so already puts pressure on vaccines, many of which have now been given out.
Should the government move anyone who has tested positive to covid to the back of the queue for the vaccine - only vaccine those that have not tested positive first then vaccinate the people who have tested positive?
How many people have tested positive in the country and who now have immunity?
Lets only vaccinate those that have not tested positive.
How many people have tested positive in the country and who now have immunity?
Lets only vaccinate those that have not tested positive.
3.8m positive cases according to Worldometers data, although that goes back to the start of the pandemic, so immunity may have 'expired' for some. But it's an interesting suggestion and would contribute to a more targeted approach aimed at those with no protection. Some of the non-vaccinated population will have had the virus asymptomatically, but sounds like a good strategy to help prioritise.
Jus because antibodies were discovered isn’t a reason not to get vaccinated. If we were in the same position as other countries maybe but just this once we are well ahead of most. Please let’s just have the jab and try to get this done as quickly and efficiently as possible. We are then in a better position to help others.
So you are advocating continuing incarceration of the UK population at home until everyone has had 2 jabs of any vaccine.
Scientists have stated that Pfizer BioNTech vaccine gives less protection (approx 52% efficacy) after the first jab. It is only after the second jab that efficacy rises to 92%.
But does this really matter given that Manaus, Brazil is suffering another wave of infections having already had up to 70% of their population infected?
Should that concern us, or is their situation more of a poverty/health infrastructure issue?
Should that concern us, or is their situation more of a poverty/health infrastructure issue?
I read some stuff from a virus scientist that the South Africa/Brazil variant may have adapted to more easily reinfect those who have already had the virus. South Africa also has a high % who have already had the virus and this would explain the prevalence of the current SA variant. It's not prevalent here because less than 15% have had Covid. But it'll come.
The media incited public opinion to the extent that the herd immunity case was a politically impossible option for the Government.
Right or wrong, crippling the economy was the only viable solution left to it.
Right or wrong, crippling the economy was the only viable solution left to it.
Just a thought. Those who don't take the vaccine and who may catch and pass on Covid to others who haven't taken the vaccine provide a platform for further mutations as a result of that 'transfer'. Some mutations may be less virulent; others may evade the protection offered by the current vaccines.
Even when all are vaccinated here we must keep our borders shut until the rest of the world (particularly Europe) also has been vaccinated.
The virus was brought to us that way, lest we forget. The Isle of Man, now as good as virus free, still has its borders closed.
The virus was brought to us that way, lest we forget. The Isle of Man, now as good as virus free, still has its borders closed.
I don't think you realise the costs of that.
Travel and tourism is worth 214bn per annum. 40% of UK exports travel out of the country on passenger aircraft from LHR. In fact, cargo costs have already increased 5 or 6 times because of the reduced capacity.
Think how long it's going to take to wait for Burkina Faso or Somalia to get in gear. Better to establish corridors with proper testing.
Travel and tourism is worth 214bn per annum. 40% of UK exports travel out of the country on passenger aircraft from LHR. In fact, cargo costs have already increased 5 or 6 times because of the reduced capacity.
Think how long it's going to take to wait for Burkina Faso or Somalia to get in gear. Better to establish corridors with proper testing.
Even when all are vaccinated here we must keep our borders shut until the rest of the world (particularly Europe) also has been vaccinated.
The virus was brought to us that way, lest we forget. The Isle of Man, now as good as virus free, still has its borders closed.
The virus was brought to us that way, lest we forget. The Isle of Man, now as good as virus free, still has its borders closed.
Why, because 100,000s will die if you rely on immunity by infection
Otherwise it would be seasonal flu and we wouldn't be locked down
However some immunity from infection, and most from vaccination will result in herd immunity at some point…
…Until further mutations arise
Otherwise it would be seasonal flu and we wouldn't be locked down
However some immunity from infection, and most from vaccination will result in herd immunity at some point…
…Until further mutations arise
Herd immunity to an RNA virus that is constantly mutating isn't a thing... think influenza and the common cold.
The countries who have most successfully tackled CV19 have had a "Zero Covid" strategy. Vaccination has, to-date, played no part in that strategy. Those countries have been able to return to normality and have had a lesser hit to their economy, despite lockdowns.
The countries who have most successfully tackled CV19 have had a "Zero Covid" strategy. Vaccination has, to-date, played no part in that strategy. Those countries have been able to return to normality and have had a lesser hit to their economy, despite lockdowns.
So New Zealand and Australia just have to keep their borders closed for ever?
Herd immunity to an RNA virus that is constantly mutating isn't a thing... think influenza and the common cold.
The countries who have most successfully tackled CV19 have had a "Zero Covid" strategy. Vaccination has, to-date, played no part in that strategy. Those countries have been able to return to normality and have had a lesser hit to their economy, despite lockdowns.
The countries who have most successfully tackled CV19 have had a "Zero Covid" strategy. Vaccination has, to-date, played no part in that strategy. Those countries have been able to return to normality and have had a lesser hit to their economy, despite lockdowns.
The media incited public opinion to the extent that the herd immunity case was a politically impossible option for the Government.
Right or wrong, crippling the economy was the only viable solution left to it.
Right or wrong, crippling the economy was the only viable solution left to it.
This about sums up Covid policy discourse.
"I think we should consider exiting this cycle of lockdowns and accepting that deaths will occur. I'm staring at bankruptcy. I can't even find menial jobs because they're flooded with professionals who have already been made redundant. I've had to sell my car, put the house on the market and look at new schools."
yOu wAnT mY gRaN tO dIe YoU pSyChO!!!
"I think we should consider exiting this cycle of lockdowns and accepting that deaths will occur. I'm staring at bankruptcy. I can't even find menial jobs because they're flooded with professionals who have already been made redundant. I've had to sell my car, put the house on the market and look at new schools."
yOu wAnT mY gRaN tO dIe YoU pSyChO!!!
It may be the case the South African variant thrives in populations who have already had the virus indicating it has a superior ability to reinfect people. The UK hasn't had that many people who have had Covid so we're some months away from being in the scenario where the SA variant could cause some havoc.
But does this really matter given that Manaus, Brazil is suffering another wave of infections having already had up to 70% of their population infected?
Should that concern us, or is their situation more of a poverty/health infrastructure issue?
Should that concern us, or is their situation more of a poverty/health infrastructure issue?
I read some stuff from a virus scientist that the South Africa/Brazil variant may have adapted to more easily reinfect those who have already had the virus. South Africa also has a high % who have already had the virus and this would explain the prevalence of the current SA variant. It's not prevalent here because less than 15% have had Covid. But it'll come.
The UK government has totally failed to control Cov-19 because it did not have a proper pandemic plan in place, nor local supplies of PPE and failed the basic requirement of Public Health ie containment. The Isle of Man imprisons folk who break lockdown etc they have managed to get rid of it. Close airports/ports to passengers should have been done last March. Vaccines alone will not fix cov-19.
Agreed. Also selfish people who can't accept the seriousness of the situation. They reel off the same old tripe about, flu numbers, death certificates, masks makes us a police state, Jeremy Corbyn and so on.
I have received many medicines and vaccines in the past, all had full regulatory approval and were on the market for years/decades, with proven efficacy and known adverse reactions. These novel cov-19 vaccines only have temporary emergency approval for 1 year, they have no previous regulatory approval history, their efficacy is unproven, adverse reactions are unknown.
GPs should pre test for natural immunity prior to vaccination, it may be some folk may be vaccinated needlessly adding additional costs to NHS unnecessarily , pre testing for immunity could avoid vaccine overspend.