UK variant has mutated again, scientists say
02/02/2021 | news | health | 2,932
The Kent variant now dominant in the UK appears to be undergoing some "worrying" new changes.
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02/02/2021 12:50:33 17 27
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Well let’s just lockdown forever then hey!!!!
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02/02/2021 12:51:54 14 14
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Must be a good reason for another patronising public information film?
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02/02/2021 13:01:06 1 1
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Yeah lets really suck some eggs this time!
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02/02/2021 12:52:03 23 52
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It is almost as if when you try to prevent a virus from spreading, it mutates so it can spread anyway.

I'm still waiting to hear why destroying the economy is a better plan than letting incredibly old and ill people die of what are essentially natural causes. A benign disease that they were unable to fight off.
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Sam
02/02/2021 12:54:29 28 9
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I think the answer is that we're not all selfish uncaring money driven people like you...... fortunately.
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02/02/2021 12:54:43 13 6
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It's not just the old that are becoming poor and in some cases severely ill because of this virus. I'd encourage you to educate yourself on such matters before posting on public forums.
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02/02/2021 12:56:27 12 4
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Because it’s not just the old that are dying and being admitted. You of course know that there are more people in the 18-64 age group being admitted than the 65+ yeah? But with your super smart logic we should cripple the NHS by just letting it run riot amongst those that you think will be just fine and not need hospital treatment. People like you shouldn’t be allowed the internet
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02/02/2021 13:01:01 0 8
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How much money are pharma companies making?
Current government typically hold shares in pharma.
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02/02/2021 13:02:02 5 0
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There's a really useful source of properly sourced information on this pandemic that's really useful at debunking virus related misinformation. I'd recommend reading it first:
covidfaq.co
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02/02/2021 13:22:03 0 12
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Sheikh Aleg is 100%.
Say what you want - lockdown ruins the future for young folk, just to prolong end-of-life existence for the elderly.
They will NOT be around in the future, nor will they be picking up the bill over the next few decades.
However they do vote Tory.
Think about that ...
Something to consider for people like yourself who think it is not serious and we should do nothing.
The latest weekly ONS figure for deaths from Coronavirus (week ending 22 January) was 8,422.
In one week, that is more UK citizens dead than as a result of the D-Day landings, 30 years of "the troubles" in Northern Ireland, the Falklands, Iraq, and Afghanistan conflicts, all added together.
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02/02/2021 12:52:30 289 55
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Why do us pseudo virologists and panic spreaders need to comment on this news that viruses mutate?
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02/02/2021 12:59:25 269 20
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Indeed Paul.
Dr Mike Tyldesley: "This is NOT a zombie apocalypse, it's what viruses do"
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02/02/2021 13:24:37 15 1
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Truth is that there are many variants out there that we know of. I suspect even more we don't. We should applaud that we are able to track them and understand the differences that could make them more infectious, deadly or vaccine resistant. This is fundamental important on a global scale. I believe there will be many generations of vaccines before we get anywhere near controlling this. i.e. years
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02/02/2021 13:43:37 6 6
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I too believe that people shouldn't be able to express their opinions when their freedoms are compromised.
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02/02/2021 13:47:55 16 4
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Because people are still not adhering to social distancing measures, resulting in greater opportunities for mutations that improve transmission. If you were a virologist you wouldn't need to ask that question. People need to take this seriously if we are to stop moving in and out of lockdown and allow a semblance of normality. PS I'm an Epidemiology graduate working in Biostatistics. Stay safe.
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02/02/2021 14:10:57 1 0
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Which one are you?
02/02/2021 14:22:12 9 6
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Absolutely, Paul. The only purpose seems to be to create panic and to make sure people are kept locked up. We cannot go on like this indefinitely - millions of us have seen our livelihoods and businesses wrecked, while millions of children have seen their education and mental health possibly irreparably damaged
02/02/2021 14:29:07 5 3
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In fairness it is the government panic spreading, as they have been throughout. They limit information to justify actions. Scare people, promise a vaccine to end it all. Get a vaccine. They knew the vaccine wouldn't cover inevitable mutations. Failed to mention that. Evidently the vaccine isn't the saviour. Now they have to scare people with mutations they knew would happen to justify what's next
02/02/2021 15:28:12 4 0
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Yep, and all this project fear about the SA variant which they've now discovered is almost identical to the new, new English/Kent/SE/SW variant.

Covid deaths per 1m population is 1,565 in the UK whereas in SA it is 743 deaths per million. Stop the fear mongering.
02/02/2021 16:26:08 0 0
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And if a variant arises for which the current crop of vaccines is ineffective? Since that may take a while to determine, don't you think it might actually be a good idea to keep track of mutations as they arise?
02/02/2021 16:28:10 0 0
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The same reason that literally every single time a negative story related to Brexit is in the offing, it's opened up to HYS. So everyone with 200IQ can talk in a condescending way to people that don't share their political beliefs. BBC priorities.
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Sam
02/02/2021 12:52:33 834 328
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It's a virus. They mutate. Stop trying to continually scare everyone BBC.

Maybe highlight that they are still happy that the vaccine will work with it.....
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02/02/2021 12:55:58 484 88
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Just saying, be careful. Nothing wrong with that. Apparently there are still those out there who don’t believe in Covid.
The World is trapped inside a pseudo-reality where logic&truth are usurped by fear&expediency
One of the main constructs of a pseudo-reality is to present a plausible but deliberately wrong understanding of reality.
Believers then interpret the world as members of a cult would.
The cult of covid, enforced by a State and MSM enthral to their own sanctimony&power, with lockdown&vax as our saviour
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02/02/2021 12:57:56 65 11
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Indeed Sam.
Dr Mike Tyldesley: "This is NOT a zombie apocalypse, it's what viruses do"
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02/02/2021 13:00:31 79 60
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Waiting for Kier Starmmer to say the government should have anticipated the latest mutation
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Bob
02/02/2021 13:02:10 49 23
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We are in the middle of the biggest vaccination programme in our history.

This mutation is proven to evade antibodies and drive down the efficacy of current vaccines.

There's a reason the mobilised dozens of testing vans and are dropping kits off door-to-door. And it isn't just to look busy.
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02/02/2021 12:56:28 65 65
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They are highlighting the government failure to close the borders and protect this country

Stop trying to protect Tory failure
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02/02/2021 13:04:32 59 10
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If you're saying that the BBC shouldn't report it? Just think that through!
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02/02/2021 13:05:30 31 7
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It's news. This is a news site. Keep reporting the news BBC.
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02/02/2021 13:06:13 24 5
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So, you'd rather live in ignorance then? if so stop reading the news if you are unable to cope with bad news
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02/02/2021 13:10:52 6 2
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Spot on Sam
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02/02/2021 13:11:55 14 5
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Nobody told you to be afraid. Only to be cautious and help stop the spread, because it also breads mutation.
To ignore a reasonable concern is asking for trouble.

You won't get out of lockdown by hiding your head in the sand; for 9 months it didn't work!
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02/02/2021 13:12:01 14 3
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the article acknowledges that very fact. Try reading the whole article, perhaps?
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02/02/2021 13:12:25 6 17
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“they are still happy that the vaccine will work with it”

They have not got a clue

They have to say that to prevent mad panic and rule breaking
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02/02/2021 13:03:34 2 11
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No... if r is less than 1 viruses only mutate if the mutation leads to a new r number greater than 1.... simple maths.
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02/02/2021 13:04:36 7 2
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In fairness BBC has reported on this with less alarmism than the Guardian, Telegraph, and other papers who have cast this story in a doom filled shadow. I'm surprised BBC hasn't followed the same line
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02/02/2021 13:21:37 12 1
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Thought scientists were making statements. BBC just reporting it.
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02/02/2021 13:22:53 8 1
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They did highlight that the vaccine will continue to work. You're just easily panicked. Not everything is 'Project Fear'
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02/02/2021 13:24:24 6 0
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It's just a fact. No need to be scared. Try some mindfulness breathing or go for a nature walk if you feel over whelmed. Who ever said life was going to be easy? You just have to get used to it.
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02/02/2021 13:24:33 9 0
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They're reporting the facts Sam. It would be wrong to cover up or withhold information just because some people might be scared. The BBC is just doing its job.
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02/02/2021 13:28:47 4 3
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Absolutely. The hysteria that’s created by every mutation is not helpful. Let’s let the scientists do their analysis and tell us what the risks are when they properly understand the implications.
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02/02/2021 13:22:10 1 0
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Tbf I think they have if one reads the article closely enough... it's just keeping transparency there about the situation so people are aware ??
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02/02/2021 13:38:11 0 0
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You're one of those who would prefer nothing was said now, and allow it to hit us all, when it becomes an serious problem. You'll then be shouting - Why weren't we told this? & Blame the government for covering it up. We are aware they mutate, but to what degree we need to know and the consequences/impact this might have on us all over the coming months.
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02/02/2021 12:52:48 9 6
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Shock horror!
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02/02/2021 12:52:53 10 27
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Extend furlough and lockdown. So close now. Tougher lockdown, close borders and house to house testing. We can get this resolved like Isle of Man and New Zealand. Target zero cases
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02/02/2021 12:55:29 13 11
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Let's get people eating only bread and water too. Oh and laughter, laughter must be outlawed.
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02/02/2021 12:59:56 2 3
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You cannot target zero cases in a small country with 67m people! Wake up! Also this is replacing our normal flu and you do not want to get rid of the flu completely as we’ll all be wiped out if a new virus appeared in 10 years time as we’ll have no natural immunity! All vaccines have to do is soften our bodies to this new strain! There’s nothing wrong with getting it if we don’t become really ill
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02/02/2021 13:03:37 2 2
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Meanwhile, on this planet...
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02/02/2021 12:52:53 10 8
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If this variant has mutated first in another county, will it now be called the 'Yorkshire' variant, or wherever it has been discovered, or will it continue to be associated with Kent??
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02/02/2021 12:58:46 5 0
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It will hardly matter as viruses can't hear.
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02/02/2021 12:53:10 285 152
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Here we go, BBC reporting a ‘worrying variant’ without saying why it is worrying just to spread fear and get clicks!
Why not wait for some facts before reporting so it can be placed into context? Because that would be sensible wouldn’t it?
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02/02/2021 12:54:51 166 120
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Just clickbait fearmongering on their part
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02/02/2021 12:57:56 43 5
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Come on, atleast read the article before making comments like this people.
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02/02/2021 13:05:43 23 0
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It was a quote from Dr Julian Tang according to the article.x
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02/02/2021 13:16:52 29 1
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There is evidence, Darren. Not facts. Research is evidence. The evidence shows vaccines may be less effectively and not definitively true. If we wait for facts the horse will have bolted and it will be too late.
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02/02/2021 13:24:42 25 5
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What have you got against the BBC. If they were reporting a Johnson good news story I'm sure it would be fine.
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02/02/2021 13:34:49 33 2
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They reported (what news organisations do) a new variant that has been spotted.

They explained how it was different and that this difference makes it a bit more resistant to anti-bodies.

They then wrote about what the experts in the field say.

They then remind people to be careful.

What is wrong with this? You anti-BBC people would result in no news being reported.
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02/02/2021 13:41:59 25 0
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The Telegraph has similar headline: 'Coronavirus latest news: Kent variant mutating to mimic South African strain' Take your head out of the sand Darren or if you can't bear the bad news stay away from it. But don't shoot the messenger please.
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02/02/2021 13:48:21 22 1
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Many of the comments are pure nonsense, BBC-bashing based on nothing other than the author's inability to correlate the articles with their unspecified definition of "news" and what the BBC ought or ought not to publish.

Do you visit other websites?
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02/02/2021 13:56:58 15 1
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So a mutation to a pandemic-inducing virus that looks similar to other mutations that appear to increase transmission doesn't constitute news? Really?? There are literally thousands of documented mutations of this virus, only a few of which are beneficial to the virus. Obviously you know better.
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02/02/2021 14:02:13 5 0
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If you have read the piece properly you will have notice some useful bits of information like Moderna claiming reasonable coverage and potential to change the vaccine quickly so mask up and keep your distance.
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02/02/2021 14:00:44 3 0
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yet it literally says why it is worrying.
02/02/2021 14:27:25 2 0
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The article does say what is 'worrying' about it. Increased transmission and possible reduced vaccine effectiveness.
02/02/2021 14:33:26 2 0
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But they do say why it is more worrying.....it may be better able to cause the illness as it bypasses antibodies.
02/02/2021 14:55:38 1 0
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Does the truth that viruses mutate upset your delicate sensibilities? Aawwww.
02/02/2021 15:04:56 0 3
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Typical BBC:
FACT: It has mutated
NOT A Fact: It is "worrying"

That is your opinion or personal feeling, please reports facts.
02/02/2021 15:10:06 1 0
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Darren, it is the BBC's *JOB* to report this. You do understand what a news organisation is now don't you?
02/02/2021 15:18:09 0 2
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Have you noticed that 50% of BBC headlines end with a question mark? Factual news ends with a full stop.
02/02/2021 16:59:09 0 0
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Press sympathisers everywhere on here! It’s not their fault blah blah blah
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02/02/2021 12:53:24 503 297
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The typical BBC negative article - full of may, could, possibly. Get some decent scientific details or shut up scaremongering.
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02/02/2021 12:58:20 229 181
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Sorry for upsetting your nirvana.
After all everyone under the age of six will tell you that anger and denial solve every problem...
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02/02/2021 12:59:51 29 22
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Experts have already said the virus could mutate ‘around’ the vaccine within a few mutations and make vaccine useless. It’s time to close borders and track and trace to zero. It what the Isle of Man did as well as Auz and NZ.
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02/02/2021 13:07:07 53 18
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Funny - the bbc articles I’ve read seemed positive and informative - you work for Murdock by any chance
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02/02/2021 13:07:52 31 8
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Ah, that's the thing about new viruses - it's a chasing game to find out exactly what's happening. I'd rather read cautionary tales than downplay to our detriment.
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02/02/2021 13:12:22 21 5
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Every govt statement contains many if’s and but’s, maybe’s and possiblies - if they can do it so can BBC
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02/02/2021 13:14:24 32 5
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IN what world does Jack live in where everything is certain?
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02/02/2021 13:26:18 18 4
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It is neither negative or positive it is just a fact. No need to be scared. Things change, life isn't meant to be a rose garden. Get used to it.
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02/02/2021 13:29:55 12 21
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Agreed. Report the news - stop trying to make the news and get a soundbite.
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02/02/2021 13:29:59 16 1
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It's not scaremongering its about being truthful. Like with all science we can only know so much at any given time through thorough experimentation and narrowing the number of variables. Only conspiracy nuts spout sureties, which in truth, are just pointless opinion with no basis in fact.
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02/02/2021 13:40:38 22 1
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I think they did get specific detail from scientists. "Dr Julian Tang, a virus expert at the University of Leicester...." & "research appears to show E484K may help the virus evade parts of the immune system called antibodies."

Would you prefer the BBC not report anything? Why not go to The Express or D.Mail. They deal in absolutes, whether it's the truth or not though is anyone's guess.
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SJ
02/02/2021 13:41:45 22 2
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Damned BBC, telling the truth as though that's the proper thing to do.
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02/02/2021 13:42:06 19 2
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Many of the comments are pure nonsense, BBC-bashing based on nothing other than the author's inability to correlate the articles with their unspecified definition of "news" and what the BBC ought or ought not to publish.

Do you visit other websites?
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02/02/2021 13:34:23 11 1
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The DT's headline (Live) is 'Coronavirus latest news: Kent variant mutating to mimic South African strain' Stop blaming the BCC for just reporting facts.
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02/02/2021 13:44:31 11 1
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They’re just reporting facts, mate.
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02/02/2021 13:45:52 17 3
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What's worrying is the up votes you got. It seems the anti-BBC far right bots were out in force!
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02/02/2021 13:48:41 11 1
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maybe you should shut up with the jumping on the governments bash the beeb bandwagon? Maybe a little critical thinking would help, I'm sure there's a class in your area.
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02/02/2021 13:59:30 10 0
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I am a career scientist - we have taken a dangerous path in the UK. Yes viruses mutate to evolve but we have vastly increased the chances of this by letting the virus run wild in our population. Consequently, we now have mutations that will potentially lessen the success of the first vaccine roll out. It is not a coincidence that these new mutations are appearing in the UK, Brazil & S. Africa.
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02/02/2021 13:56:09 11 0
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In other news: man fails to understand what the word news means.
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02/02/2021 14:05:43 6 0
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You would have hated an article yesterday then, when Boris said it "may" be all over by summer.

I agree - he should "Get some decent scientific details or shut up"
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02/02/2021 14:24:12 6 0
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Funny, the article seemed merely informative to me. As for 'may, could, possibly' - that is how science works. It deals in probabilities. If you want complete certainty - try religion, a conspiracy theory, or the bloke down the pub.
02/02/2021 14:24:40 2 0
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No like State TV eh ;)
02/02/2021 14:48:32 1 0
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You clearly block your ears to all of the government statements.
From what I’ve heard BBC only repeat what Johnson and co spiel out each day.
Everything they say is full of “may, might, could”
02/02/2021 14:54:09 2 0
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I can’t believe that 295 people have upvoted your utter nonsense.

What do you want the BBC to do - not report that the virus mutates to save your delicate sensibilities?

Pathetic.
02/02/2021 14:57:59 1 0
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The scientific details are exactly that there are maybes, possiblies and coulds, and that’s what is being reported. If the BBC said nothing they would be accused of hiding information, being government stooges etc.
02/02/2021 15:07:02 0 0
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Lol it's the BBC's *JOB* to report this, you do understand that don't you?

Why do I get the feeling you've never been good at any job lol...
02/02/2021 15:26:33 1 0
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Better to be informed than die of ignorance.
02/02/2021 15:34:27 0 1
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Totally agree
02/02/2021 16:13:43 0 0
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The article links to the research paper, describing whats happened and the significance. The eventual impact is always going to speculative, but the E484K change isn't good news. Not sure how or why you think it should be sugar-coated.
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02/02/2021 12:53:25 19 11
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Aye but if we sing happy birthday while washing our hands, should be good enough right?
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02/02/2021 13:03:26 19 0
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That’s where it’s all gone wrong.
We are meant to sing Happy Birthday TWICE while washing our hands.
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02/02/2021 13:11:37 2 0
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Don't forget all the other precautions that we have to take as well. We should all care about the vulnerable.
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02/02/2021 12:53:29 13 14
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Better stay indoors, people. We’re going to be on this ride for a few months more.
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02/02/2021 12:53:36 88 36
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Viruses mutate. No usually a big deal. Our scientists are more than capable of dealing with the situation.
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02/02/2021 13:34:01 40 19
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Don’t worry it’s only a pandemic
02/02/2021 14:23:42 4 0
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It appears many UK citizens are incapable of following thier advice though.

Thats a big reason why we have 100k plus deaths and mutations which generally & logically arise mostly in countries with high infection rates.
02/02/2021 15:34:22 1 0
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Then obey what the scientists say. rather than your mate round the corner.
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02/02/2021 12:50:51 9 17
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??????? SO WHAT!!!!!!!!!????????
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02/02/2021 12:53:51 164 28
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We are always going to be playing catch up on this. What we've got to hope (and I'm relatively hopeful) is that vaccines provide a reasonable amount of protection to those who are most vulnerable. If you are not vulnerable you don't have much to worry about.
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02/02/2021 13:09:54 136 31
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But if we don't stop it spreading it means that all those who are vulnerable will need to remain locked up, they should be allowed to partake in the pleasures of life as well.
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02/02/2021 13:19:28 31 6
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'If you are not vulnerable you don't have much to worry about.'

This is why we will never beat this virus. Not enough people will be vaccinated because they 'have nothing to worry about'. Until they do, that is...

And one thing is for certain: one day you will become vulnerable.
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02/02/2021 13:20:24 21 3
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Yes you do - you'll still spread it!
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02/02/2021 13:08:31 1 1
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I'm not hopeful.
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02/02/2021 13:25:26 12 11
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The recent rapid response to the detection of a mutant virus could be an indication that there is concern that the current vaccines are ineffective or a way of the government scaring us sufficiently so that we accept no relaxation of lockdown
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02/02/2021 13:31:28 11 14
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Completely agreed. The healthy should not suffer the vulnerable.
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02/02/2021 13:23:36 1 3
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02/02/2021 15:01:43 1 1
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Unfortunately you do have plenty to worry about. Long covid, and permanent heart and lung damage - which has been observed even in mild cases on scans.
02/02/2021 15:08:01 2 2
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> If you are not vulnerable you don't have much to worry about.

Absolute cobblers.

Have you not noticed the Chief Medical Officers call the people at the head of the vaccine queue "the MOST vulnerable"?

We are all vulnerable. It doesn't matter how old you are, how fit you are or how wealthy you are - there is no known pattern as to who has a bad reaction verses being asymptomatic.
02/02/2021 15:10:33 3 0
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... and people aren't at the head of the queue for the vaccine because they are most likely to have a bad reaction to Covid. They are Most Vulnerable because IF they had a bad reaction, they would be least likely to be able to fight it off.

How people still DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS makes me want to slap some sense into them...
02/02/2021 15:17:54 2 0
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Trouble is that one may not know he is vulnerable until after being infected.
02/02/2021 16:33:25 0 0
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You won't know if you are vulnerable until you actually catch it. Then when you're on a ventilator -or even not but you find you have long term effects ...that's when you'll know you actually were vulnerable. It's not just about age or pre-existing health conditions. Anybody could find they are more susceptible than they thought - but then it's too late!
02/02/2021 16:44:56 0 0
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Except you can pass the virus around especially if you are asymptotic. Act is if you have the virus to help stop its spread.
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jay
02/02/2021 12:54:04 40 21
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It's as if we only just discovered virology...
And the covid bus keeps rolling Zzzzzzzz
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02/02/2021 13:50:30 3 1
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It's like waiting for bus, none for ages then 3 at once
02/02/2021 14:28:31 0 0
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we gaven't only just discovered virology.
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02/02/2021 12:52:03 23 52
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It is almost as if when you try to prevent a virus from spreading, it mutates so it can spread anyway.

I'm still waiting to hear why destroying the economy is a better plan than letting incredibly old and ill people die of what are essentially natural causes. A benign disease that they were unable to fight off.
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Sam
02/02/2021 12:54:29 28 9
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I think the answer is that we're not all selfish uncaring money driven people like you...... fortunately.
02/02/2021 14:28:53 0 1
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To keep one person alive you would rather kill a whole town?
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02/02/2021 12:54:31 70 47
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It’s just 2wks. It’s for your safety. It’s just the summer. It’s just the winter. It’s just 1-2yrs. It’s just voluntary isolation centres. It’s just police-enforced mandatory isolation centres. It’s just free speech. It’s just freedoms. It’s just liberties. It’s for your safety. It'll all be over when we get a vaccine...
This cold virus was never even officially classified as a High Consequence Infectious Disease. The overreaction to it is hysterical nonsense.
By pseudo epedemiologists with an agenda. It is a form of sedition that should be criminally investigated.
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02/02/2021 14:18:32 3 2
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from statements noone said straight into poorly written 1984 fan fiction pulled out of thin air
why is it the countries with the most overly relaxed approach to COVID have the highest amounts of people constructing fantasies of a future of oppression that is clearly not coming? we can barely enforce a lockdown yet you unironically think "police enforced mandatory isolation centres" are on the way?
02/02/2021 14:24:55 1 0
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No patience I see.
02/02/2021 14:31:23 2 1
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So. In summary, your point is that is just ....what?

A pointless Comment?
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02/02/2021 12:54:36 26 24
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Not entirely surprising.

One of the highest death tolls
One of the highest infection rates
One of the last to close borders
Ineffective, bumbling government
The "Muh rights!" Brigade, anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers and "I'm alright Jack" fools making up a significant proportion of the population.

It was only a matter of time, the British attitude makes a breeding ground for the virus
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02/02/2021 13:01:02 11 4
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Ever wonder why those countries with the healthiest lifestyles and diets such as Scandinavia are doing better? Britain too fat and unhealthy.
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02/02/2021 12:52:03 23 52
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It is almost as if when you try to prevent a virus from spreading, it mutates so it can spread anyway.

I'm still waiting to hear why destroying the economy is a better plan than letting incredibly old and ill people die of what are essentially natural causes. A benign disease that they were unable to fight off.
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02/02/2021 12:54:43 13 6
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It's not just the old that are becoming poor and in some cases severely ill because of this virus. I'd encourage you to educate yourself on such matters before posting on public forums.
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02/02/2021 12:54:45 63 54
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Must we continue to be drip fed by the BBC who, it seems, are intent on spreading fear beyond that which exists.
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02/02/2021 12:59:43 64 25
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It's called news. If you don't like it read the Daily Mail or the Sun
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02/02/2021 13:02:26 16 2
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Oh - here come the anti bbc plonkers - shooting the messenger is not the best idea when you need information
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02/02/2021 13:05:49 9 0
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It's the news
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02/02/2021 13:06:08 9 2
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8,000 dead in the last week, should we worry about that?
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02/02/2021 13:56:47 5 0
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Many of the comments are pure nonsense, BBC-bashing based on nothing other than the author's inability to correlate the articles with their unspecified definition of "news" and what the BBC ought or ought not to publish.

Do you visit other websites?
02/02/2021 14:09:10 3 0
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Absolute rubbish. No doubt you listen to Johnson 's lies regularly.
02/02/2021 15:18:30 0 0
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Why don’t you watch sky news or itv?
02/02/2021 15:42:06 0 0
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When the rate R was between 0.7 and 1.1 the Daily Mail reported that it could be 0.7.
Is that the good new you want.
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Njv
02/02/2021 12:54:47 9 4
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It's what virus' do!!!!!
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AMc
02/02/2021 12:54:47 1232 102
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Whilst I'm a strong advocate for trying to keep some kind of semblance of normality, i.e. allowing people to go to work if they can't WFH etc.

It is completely beyond me as to why so many thousands of people feel it is necessary to jet all around the world at this time, and indeed why governments are allowing it.

MADNESS
The rich need a good holiday, oops I mean “essential business trip”.

So shut your mouth pleb. Know your place, don’t you dare go to a friends house for drinks and definitely don’t ask questions like that.

The BBC/elites have decreed that only white supremacists ask why the rich are still flying around the globe spreading mutations.

Better keep quiet or your social media accounts will vanish...
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02/02/2021 13:18:14 151 3
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So now the SA variant is here and results in panic testing. Why are our borders still open a year after all this started ? And still will be after the new measures are introduced....
If travel is so vital and essential, then protecting the population by proper, controlled quarantine arrangements seems a no-brainer. Maybe that’s why it hasn’t happened !!
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02/02/2021 13:19:56 40 35
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And 20 million of people going to work every day is ok. Get a grip
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02/02/2021 13:20:34 29 4
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Absolutely right.
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02/02/2021 13:21:31 96 45
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Classic!!!

I warn you not to ask questions such as “why are the rich allowed to fly around the globe on holiday spreading mutations, when the poor can’t go to a friends house to drink”.

I warn that asking such questions will result in your social media accounts being nuked on phoney charges of one “ism” and another.

And the BBC delete my post for “racism”!!!

Couldn’t make it up!!!!!!
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02/02/2021 13:24:36 84 29
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People have been indoctrinated by years of lifestyle promotion and advertising. They are sheep, who just do like the rest. Hence the assumption you pay money and go abroad every year if not several times. The whole 'where did you go this year' conversation. But a few decades ago it never happened for most people. It’s a stupid behaviour but high modern pay has to be wasted away somehow!
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02/02/2021 13:27:48 12 7
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Hancock PR statement again. No mention of border delay and statement about variants contradicts what some scientists are saying
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02/02/2021 13:27:50 38 11
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I dont understand why Garden Centres are regarded as essential still. Who needs a gnome in February?
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02/02/2021 13:20:45 9 19
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Don’t do it then if you’re so against it
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02/02/2021 13:42:30 46 9
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It's not just international travel. I live in coastal E Sussex. On a recent short bike ride to the beach I asked 5 couples where they were from. I was masked and more than 2 metres away!! Isle of Sheppey, Brighton, London, Sevenoaks and Folkestone. That is not local exercise. People from Walsall, Woking etc will still go for their weekend trips. We need road blocks like they had in Italy.
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02/02/2021 13:52:44 14 18
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Because it isn't the new black-death, as they know, but so many screwed up by infecting care homes to save health services that they cannot now admit it or their scientific and political careers are over. Like the EU vaccine war. That was trade war Pfizer v AZ - and all these facts will come out eventually, but not until the current crop of politicians are gone.
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02/02/2021 13:55:41 11 13
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"It is completely beyond me as to why so many .." So therefor it must be banned ?

What happened to a belief in tolerance ? Remember Voltaire ? "I do not approve of what you do, but I would defend your right to be free to do it with my life".

I am far more worried by the inter-Stalin that is coming in so many people than the behaviour of those the neo-Stalinists are complaining about.
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02/02/2021 13:56:57 11 7
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So it's OK to vent anger at people who attempt to travel safely to a warmer climate having stayed inside their house for a year, but god forbid if you pass a negative comment at people who musty watch sport or go to pubs. Double standards.
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02/02/2021 13:57:06 9 10
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because we are led by a maniac.
It's a decision they took and they know the consequences because they've seen what happens play out during the current pandemic (yes, it's been that long now).

We have to ask why our leaders are wilfully murdering us.

Anybody?
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02/02/2021 14:00:54 14 7
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When the hell are people going to get it through their thick skulls this is never going away, not ever. STOP PRESS VIRUS MUTATES ! Well, really!? No $h!t Sherlock. This is a coronavirus, flu is also a coronavirus, have we eradicated that? No. Will we? No. Do we worry about that? No. So we've got a choice, we live locked up forever or we wake up, smell the coffee and get on with it.
02/02/2021 14:07:44 5 4
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We voted them in, thats MADNESS.
02/02/2021 14:11:16 3 1
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There are ten's of 1000s of people who work under contract in different countries around the world... contract finishes and they want to go home.

Likewise 1000s of embassy staff.

And don't forget, much of our food comes on flights in the holds of plans carrying passengers above

But you're right, Germany was only looking at banning those from S Africa, Brazil an the UK last Friday
02/02/2021 14:12:51 4 7
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Our lifestyles are not conducive to our existence.

Many viruses are seasonal and relentlessly mutate.

Every year new variants of the common colds and flu are brought into the UK by Jolly Uppers.

This has been 'known' for decades, but ignored by our governments. Head in the sand approach.

Travel should only ever be for essential (not selfish) reasons.
kh
02/02/2021 14:09:22 0 7
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Because it makes no difference. You've been manipulated into being xenophobic.
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02/02/2021 12:54:48 2 9
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Is now a good time to panic?
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02/02/2021 12:56:44 4 5
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Nope, you'll have fallen victim to the fearmongering press again if so
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02/02/2021 12:54:49 12 10
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"...important people follow the lockdown rules and get cases of coronavirus down to prevent opportunities for the virus to mutate further"

Telling Homo Pathetic to understand that sometimes in life we have to show restrain and postpone whatever we want to do! Good luck!
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02/02/2021 12:56:06 14 8
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The virus will mutate REGARDLESS whether we are locked up or not. Thats just what they do.
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02/02/2021 12:53:10 285 152
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Here we go, BBC reporting a ‘worrying variant’ without saying why it is worrying just to spread fear and get clicks!
Why not wait for some facts before reporting so it can be placed into context? Because that would be sensible wouldn’t it?
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02/02/2021 12:54:51 166 120
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Just clickbait fearmongering on their part
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02/02/2021 12:56:53 10 26
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As usual
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02/02/2021 13:30:28 24 5
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Everybody's reporting it, not just BBC. What can you not stand about BBC, their neutrality. No doubt you think tory run biased media is fine.
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02/02/2021 12:55:05 38 32
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I am so annoyed at the reactive and passive manner this government has dealt with covid. Why on earth did they not quarantine travellers as per scientific advice? Now we have a lovely melting pot of viruses doing the rounds. Why are we continuously cutting this government slack - they have been atrocious, apart from the vaccine rollout which may not be as protective now anyway!!
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02/02/2021 12:58:48 26 15
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Grow up. People "cutting them slack" cos the whole world dealing with this. But in the UK we see 400 scallies having an illegal rave. Or do you think Boris was the DJ?
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02/02/2021 13:34:02 6 7
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Johnson supporters seem to forgive him anything.
02/02/2021 14:15:41 2 1
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The answer is money pure and simple, had we kept every traveller out last March as a trading nation we would now be flat broke with no economy, as it is now, that's going to happen further down the line. There is no Churchillian character to help us this time, when you have an invisible enemy you have no idea when or where it's going to strike or how severe and can only react when its happened.
02/02/2021 15:07:54 0 3
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Boris Oh we have a Vaccine whats this about 2 vaccinations in 3 weeks no need just give 1. lets get the figures up I need to look good for a change. Second one can be given sometime in the future, if the virus mutates and they get ill they are all over 60 so we can blame it on something else
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02/02/2021 12:55:08 86 17
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There should be concern that this virus has the potentail to stay one step ahead of vaccination. The Govt should be actively planning for increased NHS capacity otherwise we'll be having this same conversation next winter
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GW
02/02/2021 12:57:10 118 125
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Too busy giving money to their Tory mates
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02/02/2021 12:59:11 6 8
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If hey haven't combined flu and covid shots into a single seasonal jab by then, we are truly living in a land run by idiots.
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02/02/2021 13:04:46 12 7
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Or close the borders and track and trace properly like the Isle of Man, NZ and Auz...to name a few places. They have taken a 3 pronged approach to protecting their people rather than all the eggs in one basket of a vaccine....which has a higher death toll. Time to go for eradication strategies to save lives, economy and time.
02/02/2021 14:44:05 3 6
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No there shouldn't, the concern is that Covid Cultists like you lap up every scare story from HMG & SAGE despite the leaks showing they decided that 'scaring' the population was the best way to get them to obey. Try informing, apparently never occurred to them, mind you having read the Covid Cultists on here, informing them of anything is nigh on impossible.
02/02/2021 15:02:40 3 0
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I agree that NHS capacity needs to be increased, as we were caught napping by this virus, and easily could be again. Viruses do mutate, specifically to stay one step ahead. That is what they have to do to survive.
02/02/2021 15:08:50 2 0
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has there ever been a cure for the common cold?
02/02/2021 15:53:24 1 1
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You may be right on this. These mutations appear to be the result of lab engineered creation which would allow the virus to be studied. Some scientists are readily convinced that this virus was made to leap onto human hosts for scientific purposes.
02/02/2021 16:04:27 1 0
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Hospitals are full every winter, covid or no covid
02/02/2021 16:13:15 1 1
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A slug has only 1 foot and can still stay 1 step ahead of this government
02/02/2021 16:49:08 1 0
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Since we can only ever act retroactively the virus (if it mutates at pace) will always be in front of us, that much is inevitable.
Since mutations are RANDOM they cannot be predicted and thus you have to await their arrival before you can react.

"The Govt should be actively planning for increased NHS capacity"

How much capacity do YOU think would be appropriate? x2, x10 x100?
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02/02/2021 12:55:09 8 9
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Keep calm.
Boris is confident and optimistic
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02/02/2021 12:57:04 3 3
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So are the rest of the world. Stupid comment
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02/02/2021 12:58:18 0 0
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And a ??
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02/02/2021 13:01:16 0 1
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With something that 99% get over its no big deal
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02/02/2021 13:01:57 0 0
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Well he got Brexit done, what else could possibly go wrong?
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02/02/2021 13:02:15 0 0
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You jest.
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02/02/2021 12:55:19 22 22
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Ugh. Here we go. You can see it coming a mile off.

Every time we get within touching distance of being released from this totally unnecessary prison, there's another scare story to shoo us all back in to our homes and cower.

People will only take so much of this rubbish... and we're very close to that point now.

Folks are running out of cash (and credit!). Maybe that's the plan all along.
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02/02/2021 13:00:53 4 2
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Spot on BBC at it again fear mongerers and hype.
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02/02/2021 13:01:48 1 1
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8,000 people died of covid in the last week, were they unnecessary as well?
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02/02/2021 12:55:27 9 14
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They're trying to put a shape shifting genie back in a bottle, and I think they're dumb enough to keep on trying until the Country has gone, entirely, to the dogs.
Time to follow the science and go back to Valance&Whitty’s Plan A and get the Country moving again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XRc389TvG8
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02/02/2021 12:52:53 10 27
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Extend furlough and lockdown. So close now. Tougher lockdown, close borders and house to house testing. We can get this resolved like Isle of Man and New Zealand. Target zero cases
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02/02/2021 12:55:29 13 11
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Let's get people eating only bread and water too. Oh and laughter, laughter must be outlawed.
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02/02/2021 13:55:54 1 2
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If we had done this last February when sage and who advised, we would be like vietnam.

Weird we are told we can’t do it for a country of 70 million, but they are a country of 90 million with higher density (ignoring the unpopulated areas) and have sub 100 deaths to our 110,000
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02/02/2021 12:55:37 42 42
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Give it a rest! Cherry picking scientists to suit your agenda as usual! Why not talk to the positive ones. You’re an embarrassment to the country now! Get behind it and applaud the vaccination process instead of focusing on everything negative you can find!
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02/02/2021 12:58:19 27 12
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Read Fairy Stories if you want a happy ending. Some people actually want to know what's going on.
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02/02/2021 12:58:50 8 6
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I expect you voted for brexit!
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02/02/2021 13:00:01 4 4
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Correct are we going to hide from every mutation for ever I think not we have to live with this as soon as the most vulnerable have been vaccinated the rest have to get back to work and live with it. Its now being hyped up out of all proportion. After all 99% recover that a great virus to get !
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02/02/2021 13:06:57 4 0
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Please provide me a quote from a renown virologist who is happy that the virus has gained a mutation that can escape antibodies and reduced vaccine efficacy by up to half, and that a virus which has been slow to mutate compared other viruses has now mutated in a significant way much more quickly than before.
02/02/2021 14:46:26 0 0
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As everyone knows, the BBC is staffed entirely by lizard people with a world-domination agenda going back to the ancient Egyptioans. Watch StargateSG1 for the full facts. FACTS, I tells ya, FAAAACTS

Alternatively, don't read the articles you don't like

Finally, on HYS you are free to talk about the positive news as well. Please do. I'll read every single none of them.
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02/02/2021 12:55:29 5 6
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mutated just in time for summer hoilday prepareasion

??????????
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02/02/2021 12:52:33 834 328
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It's a virus. They mutate. Stop trying to continually scare everyone BBC.

Maybe highlight that they are still happy that the vaccine will work with it.....
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02/02/2021 12:55:58 484 88
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Just saying, be careful. Nothing wrong with that. Apparently there are still those out there who don’t believe in Covid.
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02/02/2021 13:02:58 4 6
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If they didn't believe before why would they now.
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02/02/2021 13:14:05 17 1
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My 25 yo son has just had a complete breakdown because of being locked-down. he has lost his girlfriend as they have been separated for so long (they are at different universities and cities) and his technical, practical course is being ruined.

Apparently there are still some people who think permanent lockdown is a harmless and welcome thing.
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02/02/2021 13:17:28 11 1
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Be careful when you cross the road.
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02/02/2021 13:06:41 8 3
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... and it's them we can thank for the lockdown being extended through 2021.
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02/02/2021 13:21:18 9 3
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There are also lots of people who don’t believe in evolution... but curiously they also believe that 5G masts spread COVID (which they don’t believe in
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02/02/2021 13:26:35 0 4
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and vapid headlines ain't gonna change that so...
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02/02/2021 13:37:15 0 0
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Yeah I don’t
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02/02/2021 12:56:02 3 3
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GISAID has 459,000 reported variants globally. https://www.gisaid.org/hcov19-variants/
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GW
02/02/2021 12:56:04 498 37
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Stop people flying in and if they have to compulsory quarantine time for Govt to act
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02/02/2021 12:58:52 237 12
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They haven't been doing that since it started, and they're not exactly rushing to do it now.
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02/02/2021 13:32:54 14 3
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Any whack-a-mole strategy is futile until we close the airports. No half measures.
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02/02/2021 13:52:01 11 4
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This is our government again failing to act quickly enough.
How many extra lives will be lost because we did not shut down free entry with no checks into our country.

The people have been let down once more and I am shocked we are still allowing people into the UK, yet we cannot send certain products to NI from the UK, yet people from all over the world can come to the UK without isolating.
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02/02/2021 13:59:56 11 0
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Give them time GW, it's only BEEN A YEAR!
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02/02/2021 14:04:30 7 2
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Unless it's Boris, promoting the values of a socio-political union of countries, with free trade & free movement while retaining sovereignty... having just got us out of a socio-political union of countries, with free trade & free movement while retaining sovereignty
02/02/2021 14:20:50 3 2
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Amazed there is still so much travel and disregard for everyone else. Personally I am an advocate for enforcing that people live in an inflatable ball for 2 weeks, might restrict movement due to doorways but at least they are quarantined
02/02/2021 14:31:32 5 8
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You just don't get it do you! Viruses mutate; it's what they do.

All border restrictions achieve is more self harm to the economy and society without having any effect on infections or deaths.

Open all borders now.
02/02/2021 14:36:29 6 6
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Huh? Why would you block me from seeing my wife? Have you read the news, the virus can mutate *even* within England.
Ish
02/02/2021 14:42:09 1 4
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@GW.
It's easy to say isn't it? Maybe you should take, oh I don't now, perhaps half a second to realise why that isn't possible?

But it is not the Government doing the spreading is it. It is PEOPLE IGNORING THE RULES that are spreading the damned virus.
02/02/2021 15:04:01 1 2
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Obsession with flights need to stop.

Other ways to travel, largest shipping lane in the world is in the English Channel, hence the Kent strain.

How many airports are in Kent..?

South Africa and Brazil also have some of the busiest ports in the world.

Remember the Diamond Princess and how quickly it spread there, large ships are a floating petri dish, lots of surfaces and people transiting.
02/02/2021 15:08:56 3 0
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Demand will mean normal travel will have to resume eventually. Stopping travel needs to have a purpose - currently to keep the prevalence of known and yet to be seen mutated versions of the virus low. If mutations become endemic we cannot 'keep them out' so must come up with a new strategy - even in New Zealand. At some point we will declare coronavirus manageable and live with it - like flu
02/02/2021 15:55:06 0 0
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One would think if that was the case that these postcodes would be much nearer to the airports or to a transport hub.

East of England (EN10)
London (W7, N17, CR4)
North West (PR9)
South East (ME15, GU21)
West Midlands (WS2)

Explain why they aren't if you are so certain?
02/02/2021 16:19:29 1 0
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Sure, agreed; but note that we have a new *UK* mutant. Closing borders will help stop the import (and export!) of new variants, but will do nothing to prevent the virus happily mutating away in the population here.
02/02/2021 16:20:54 0 1
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Stop people saying stop people flying in. It is neither original nor helpful.
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02/02/2021 12:54:49 12 10
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"...important people follow the lockdown rules and get cases of coronavirus down to prevent opportunities for the virus to mutate further"

Telling Homo Pathetic to understand that sometimes in life we have to show restrain and postpone whatever we want to do! Good luck!
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02/02/2021 12:56:06 14 8
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The virus will mutate REGARDLESS whether we are locked up or not. Thats just what they do.
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02/02/2021 13:00:34 5 0
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Lockdowns reduce transition meaning less people have it mean less mutations, not difficult is it?
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02/02/2021 13:02:05 0 4
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Yep we have to get out and move on 99% recover that's good enough for me.
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02/02/2021 12:56:07 111 58
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We should have taken a eradication strategy rather than a containment strategy like New Zealand and IOM last March
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02/02/2021 12:58:09 127 109
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You can't eradicate a global virus as you would have to live in isolation for the rest of your life. We have to learn to just live with this. After all 99% recover. Too much hype
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02/02/2021 12:59:57 30 25
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Too late for that now. If our incompetent government took the same action as New Zealand and the IOM did, we wouldn't be in such a mess now with over 100,000 deaths.

But clearly Bonkers Boris thought otherwise.
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02/02/2021 13:01:47 38 20
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London is a global hub like many capital cities. Eradication is impossible for countries with these cities as community transmission was well established at that point. New Zealand benefited from its low connectivity to the world and had more time to get ready. By the time western countries new of the threat the virus was already established.

There is no comparisons between the UK and NZ
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02/02/2021 13:05:45 16 4
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Eradication is unlikely in our lifetimes. Look at how long smallpox took. It would be inevitable that it would enter the country in some way or form in the future no matter how long borders are shut for.
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02/02/2021 13:27:31 22 8
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Another one jumping on the New Zealand comparison bandwagon (been listening to Piers Morgan?). New Zealand is a larger country than the UK by area, has less than a tenth of the number of people in the UK, has nothing like the number of people trying to get into it and is not an international travel hub. And as for comparing the UK with the Isle of Man! Give your head a shake.
02/02/2021 14:47:05 2 0
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You cannot compare the UK with the IOM or NZ. The both have very small populations and the people more spread out. therefore easier to contain. How would you contain the population of the UK?
02/02/2021 14:52:35 2 0
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Impossible, even NZ got a cluster after a returning traveller had isolated for 15 days. You could of course try, then not only would you have to cull all mink, pangolins, bats, but the 11.1 million cats in the UK all of which (& other animals) can be reservoirs for the virus AND let it mutate. Welcome to the real world. PS NZ is in S Hemisphere, wait for NZ to open up & have a 'flu season'
02/02/2021 14:52:47 1 0
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If I was going to eradicate a virus, I'd prefer to do it in a country with a low population density, few visitors and about 2000 miles from the nearest neighbour.
I'd also choose to have it arrive in Summer.
02/02/2021 16:42:15 0 1
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Not remotely feasible in a country like ours
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02/02/2021 12:52:33 834 328
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It's a virus. They mutate. Stop trying to continually scare everyone BBC.

Maybe highlight that they are still happy that the vaccine will work with it.....
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The World is trapped inside a pseudo-reality where logic&truth are usurped by fear&expediency
One of the main constructs of a pseudo-reality is to present a plausible but deliberately wrong understanding of reality.
Believers then interpret the world as members of a cult would.
The cult of covid, enforced by a State and MSM enthral to their own sanctimony&power, with lockdown&vax as our saviour
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02/02/2021 12:58:56 40 35
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Try telling that to the hospital ICU staff
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02/02/2021 13:00:42 5 5
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Thanks for making my point for me.
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02/02/2021 13:03:01 50 13
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And that pile of old tripe isn’t going to save my relative, a cancer sufferer who has just had to agree to go into an induced coma for ventilation due to Covid 19 age 40 with terrifying and heartbreaking prospects about whether they will awake. That’s the choices some people are having to make while you make that sort of comment.
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02/02/2021 12:52:03 23 52
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It is almost as if when you try to prevent a virus from spreading, it mutates so it can spread anyway.

I'm still waiting to hear why destroying the economy is a better plan than letting incredibly old and ill people die of what are essentially natural causes. A benign disease that they were unable to fight off.
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02/02/2021 12:56:27 12 4
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Because it’s not just the old that are dying and being admitted. You of course know that there are more people in the 18-64 age group being admitted than the 65+ yeah? But with your super smart logic we should cripple the NHS by just letting it run riot amongst those that you think will be just fine and not need hospital treatment. People like you shouldn’t be allowed the internet
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02/02/2021 12:56:35 93 40
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A virus mutates all the time and we will never beat this, instead we should just learn to live with it before our approach does more harm than good (like those extra alcohol deaths we're now seeing).
What so the 100k dead is down to alcoholism? Another idiot spreading the virus kiling the rest of us, well done you. Removed
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02/02/2021 13:13:16 9 2
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How do you suggest that "We learn to live with it?"
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02/02/2021 13:48:12 8 2
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Are you blaming all those extra alcohol deaths on lockdown? Many alcohol-related deaths are the result of prolonged alcohol abuse.
BBC reports: 'Deaths caused by alcohol ... new high ... 2020 ... Between January and September, 5,460 of these deaths causes were registered - up 16% on the same months in 2019.'
Yet 1st lockdown did not start until end March, so surely other factors involved too.
02/02/2021 14:19:25 4 0
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By 'learn to live with it', what do you mean?
Extend social distancing forever to control the spread
Allow everyone to catch it, and see who survives without medical treatment?

The flu mutates all the time, and learning to live with it has meant an annual jab for 30m people in the UK, after the 1918 spanish flu pandemic killed 2% of the population.
02/02/2021 15:10:48 2 3
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Shut up. You anti lockdown loons are the reason were in this mess.
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02/02/2021 12:54:48 2 9
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Is now a good time to panic?
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02/02/2021 12:56:44 4 5
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Nope, you'll have fallen victim to the fearmongering press again if so
Thanks Wuhan
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02/02/2021 13:02:19 1 1
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Have the Chinese upset you sweetie?
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02/02/2021 12:59:35 0 0
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What you actually mean is thanks liar Johnson and your useless lying corrupt Tory government
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02/02/2021 12:54:51 166 120
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Just clickbait fearmongering on their part
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02/02/2021 12:56:53 10 26
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As usual
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02/02/2021 12:56:58 243 70
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It's what viruses do, so why is every mutation treated like some shock that goes against nature?
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Bob
02/02/2021 13:10:41 139 23
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Quote me the part where people are shocked.
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02/02/2021 13:27:42 14 4
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Because the various vaccines have been designed to counteract a virus and they may prove to be ineffective against these mutant viruses
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02/02/2021 13:45:13 1 13
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You missed the part where it says this is “unexpected” then…?
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02/02/2021 13:51:35 10 8
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This might have something to do with the fact we have never seen the likes of such a deadly virus in our more modern times. Give the news editor a break, he is just doing his job & reporting news which we need to keep abreast of, rather than sit in denial of what's happening. We have the right to know the impact of these changes. If you don't like it, don't read the articles.
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02/02/2021 13:55:15 11 0
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not a shock but definitely news.
02/02/2021 14:20:00 0 1
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I didn’t know they could mutate. Thank you BBC for informing us who are not scientists.
02/02/2021 14:23:38 4 0
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But not every mutation is discussed. Just those that have concerning traits, such as higher transmissibility. It's wise to keep an eye on, and report on such concerns.
02/02/2021 14:29:59 0 0
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That's not strictly true, there were eight versions of the virus in the UK as early as last July. It's the recent variations, which may make the virus better able to circumvent vaccination aquired immunity, which scientists are concerned about. As an RNA based virues it is especially prone, when compared to others, to mutate. In the past they have generally mutated to a less dangerous organism.
02/02/2021 14:37:07 1 0
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and why does MSM keep ask politicians to GUARANTEE future outcomes when we are all dealing with natural processes that we can only suppress and not absolutely control?
02/02/2021 15:50:43 2 0
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They don't treat every mutation like this - many 'UK variant' sequences have additional changes, without comment being made. The point here is that the specific E484K mutation has co-occurred in the UK variant - this mutation is thought to be behind the reduced vaccine effectiveness in the SA strain that was previously less of a feature of the UK one, hence it is a notable and newsworthy event.
02/02/2021 16:21:08 0 0
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Could you tell the government that because this has just made their policy for the last year look that of utter idiots.
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02/02/2021 12:55:09 8 9
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Keep calm.
Boris is confident and optimistic
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02/02/2021 12:57:04 3 3
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So are the rest of the world. Stupid comment
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02/02/2021 12:55:08 86 17
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There should be concern that this virus has the potentail to stay one step ahead of vaccination. The Govt should be actively planning for increased NHS capacity otherwise we'll be having this same conversation next winter
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GW
02/02/2021 12:57:10 118 125
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Too busy giving money to their Tory mates
02/02/2021 16:49:43 0 1
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How dumb is that comment?
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02/02/2021 12:57:20 9 11
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People are not taking it seriously - the road outside my house is ten time busier than it was back in March/April - this needs to be policed firmly - bring the army in or there will be a vaccine-busting variant that'll mean misery for years
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02/02/2021 13:13:10 0 1
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Can't catch covid in a car, Phil.
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02/02/2021 13:04:14 0 0
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Heaven forbid people have a job! Not everyone can work from home...
Bring the army in? You realise the army have no power to enforce laws? Are they going to start shooting people in the streets? Nonsense
Vote up if you think Captain Sir Tom should have gone to Barbados or down if you think it was deeply irresponsible and should be the headline news. Removed
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02/02/2021 13:00:49 3 0
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Looking to blame Captain Sir Tom Moore? Classy.
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02/02/2021 13:01:32 3 0
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What as Capt. Tom going to Barbados have to do with a mutant virus. Stupid comment
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02/02/2021 12:57:26 86 30
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Boris has announced lockdown will definitely end in March, however he does not say in which year March will be.
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02/02/2021 13:22:20 38 36
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He can't be even specify a decade.
kh
02/02/2021 14:17:43 1 1
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Really, I stop listening to him so I didn't know that. And I pretend I didn't just hear you, my life continues as normal, I have no reason to be concerned.
02/02/2021 14:59:51 2 2
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Boris,s Lockdown will end 2 weeks before the next General Election.
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02/02/2021 12:57:27 94 13
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it sounds worse than what it is
The article does well to state the current vaccines will likely still be effective and scientists are already ready to tweak vaccines if needs be
The reason this is a concern is the government wants this to be the last lockdown and new variant could change this
Either way the warmer weather plus the immunity people are building up means we should be opening up soon
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02/02/2021 13:00:11 15 21
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Tweak vaccine, and deliver it by starting vaccination from scratch before the next mutation

Repeat
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02/02/2021 13:22:29 1 2
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Are we in the last winter ever then?
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02/02/2021 13:31:15 0 1
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When
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02/02/2021 14:05:05 4 2
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That's right, but of course next winter we will be back in the same position perhaps worse as mutations a d new variants appear. Chinese have got a lot to answer for, my view, this is not a natural event, its manmade and escaped from labs either accidentally or deliberately.
02/02/2021 15:07:52 0 0
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Some research out last week on old serum samples from the 1980's onwards showed that with coronaviruses the worst case is that you need another vaccine about every two years. Although given the very high transmission rates of sars-cov2 that might be less to start with. The UK was right to invest in vaccine production plants - they will be essential to get booster vaccines out fast.
02/02/2021 15:32:52 1 0
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Winter comes after summer, we need to plan how we will handle winter this time.
02/02/2021 16:58:38 0 0
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Christ I hope so!
02/02/2021 17:09:51 0 0
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After mid March 2nd jabs are needed.

That means no new first jabs between early April and mid June unless jab rate goes up big time.

MH could assert that it ok to wait further than 12 weeks, for no. 2 jab, but that needs the vaccine recertified.

If you haven’t had it by late May, you will wait for 12 weeks. (plus 2 more for it to work).

Unless of course the vax rate can double somehow.
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02/02/2021 12:53:10 285 152
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Here we go, BBC reporting a ‘worrying variant’ without saying why it is worrying just to spread fear and get clicks!
Why not wait for some facts before reporting so it can be placed into context? Because that would be sensible wouldn’t it?
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02/02/2021 12:57:56 43 5
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Come on, atleast read the article before making comments like this people.
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02/02/2021 12:52:33 834 328
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It's a virus. They mutate. Stop trying to continually scare everyone BBC.

Maybe highlight that they are still happy that the vaccine will work with it.....
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02/02/2021 12:57:56 65 11
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Indeed Sam.
Dr Mike Tyldesley: "This is NOT a zombie apocalypse, it's what viruses do"
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02/02/2021 12:57:56 21 7
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A virus mutates all the times especially here in UK!
02/02/2021 14:15:54 7 4
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UK becoming a melting pot according to one scientist. Could that be because UK has not had a good closed border policy.
02/02/2021 15:10:56 0 0
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Are we talking about Covid or the present Government
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02/02/2021 12:58:07 31 32
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Great scaremongering headline - well done BBC.
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02/02/2021 13:00:03 22 12
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It's the news, the reporting of a fact. Sorry you don't like that.
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02/02/2021 13:02:26 0 2
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Another apologists for Tory government failure

These people are only happy when we accept 100's of thousands of unnecessary deaths
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02/02/2021 12:58:08 9 26
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If it weren't for this governments catastrophic incompetence maybe the virus would not have had the chance to start mutating. SShhh, don't mention the 106,000 who've lost their lives due to Boris & his cronies utter failure.
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02/02/2021 13:00:00 8 1
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You could always move to America?
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02/02/2021 13:02:25 1 0
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Get back in your box! This is what viruses do. It is why a new flu vaccine blend is produced every year. (it normally has multiple strains).
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02/02/2021 13:03:26 0 0
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DO BORE OFF
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02/02/2021 12:58:09 219 29
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Trouble is, there are always some people who don't care if they pass it on.
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02/02/2021 12:59:38 56 40
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Like rugby players for instance!
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02/02/2021 13:34:34 7 33
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I don’t care. If I cared about passing viruses on I’d never do anything or go anywhere. Life is for living, not for hiding from viruses. As soon as I get a chance I’m going to start being happy and enjoying life. I no longer care if that means others die. Survival of the fittest.
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02/02/2021 14:33:46 1 4
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How can they pass it on to you if you are in lock-down Florence, or are you saying 'lock-downs' don't work or even more ironic, are YOU breaking the curfews?!!
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02/02/2021 12:56:07 111 58
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We should have taken a eradication strategy rather than a containment strategy like New Zealand and IOM last March
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02/02/2021 12:58:09 127 109
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You can't eradicate a global virus as you would have to live in isolation for the rest of your life. We have to learn to just live with this. After all 99% recover. Too much hype
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02/02/2021 13:33:30 16 2
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Never heard of smallpox or polio? Erradicated with vaccines and track and trace procedures. For that matter because of lockdown masks etc influenza cases in the East Midlands are 0.5 per 100,000. Can you imagine? ONE person in a city like Nottingham or Derby with flu?
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02/02/2021 13:40:23 12 6
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Too much hype! Tell that to the families of over two million people that have died. But I guess you're alright Jack so why bother?
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02/02/2021 13:44:51 0 2
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Controls needed unfortunately, NHS needed for more than just Covid

One example :-

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/scotland/more-than-80-of-nhs-coronavirus-hospital-capacity-filled-figures-show/
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02/02/2021 13:52:30 8 4
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Don't think the 100,000 dead would agree with your 'too much hype' thoughtless comment
02/02/2021 14:15:04 3 2
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No, in theory if everyone on the planet isolated for just a few weeks the virus would be finished because that is the interval between initial infection and either recovery or death and the period for virus shedding and transmission. We would also have to isolate from other covid vectors such as bats and some other mammals.

Of course that cannot and will not happen for obvious reasons.
02/02/2021 14:17:42 4 2
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99.6% of people are alive 28 days after their last positive test. This should not be considered that they have recovered. New data is emerging that at 5 months post discharge after COVID diagnosis requiring hospitalization 12.6% have passed away. Even more worrying is that 1 in 10 people who have had COVID are experiencing long term complications and requiring ongoing medical support .
02/02/2021 15:12:17 3 0
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It's not about who recovers or doesn't, it's about long underfunded NHS & hospitals being overwhelmed by Covid patients & unable to treat anyone else. 1% of 100 is 1, 1% of 50million is 500,000. The percentage may be small but the absolute number may be huge. If you recover from Covid but then later get some completely unrelated problem which kills you for lack of treatment you're just as dead.
02/02/2021 15:17:09 0 0
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Yep; I'm with you on this.
02/02/2021 16:17:44 0 0
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I’m 99% recover that’s way too high
02/02/2021 16:40:24 0 0
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Vaccination or a good treatment would be good enough to put an end to the need for suppression. And even in the meantime, life is relatively normal for those firmly inside the suppression zone.
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02/02/2021 12:52:27 7 7
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Oh come on now, enough of this constant nonsense.
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02/02/2021 13:00:22 5 1
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That you don't understand it doesn't make it nonsense.
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02/02/2021 12:54:10 17 19
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Nothing better than a mutating bogeyman to spook the UK public.
I'm not buying any of this nonsense...
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02/02/2021 12:55:15 8 24
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Liar Johnson and his useless lying corrupt Tory government has failed AGAIN with STILL NO QUARANTINE 12 months after the pandemic started

And despite desperate warnings by SAGE

1,000's more deaths as a result of liar Johnson failure

Time to kick him out
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02/02/2021 13:02:51 4 3
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OH another hater who can't wait to slate the Gov. Maybe you think Boris is in his garden shed making this virus do you? Maybe he was the DJ at the latest 400 scally illegal rave too eh? If we go from your thinking what was LABOUR wales assembly excuse? Or maybe Italian Gov or Spanish Gov? Both SOCIALIST Govs by the way. DO GROW UP
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02/02/2021 12:55:09 8 9
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Keep calm.
Boris is confident and optimistic
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02/02/2021 12:58:18 0 0
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And a ??
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02/02/2021 12:55:37 42 42
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Give it a rest! Cherry picking scientists to suit your agenda as usual! Why not talk to the positive ones. You’re an embarrassment to the country now! Get behind it and applaud the vaccination process instead of focusing on everything negative you can find!
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02/02/2021 12:58:19 27 12
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Read Fairy Stories if you want a happy ending. Some people actually want to know what's going on.
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02/02/2021 12:53:24 503 297
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The typical BBC negative article - full of may, could, possibly. Get some decent scientific details or shut up scaremongering.
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02/02/2021 12:58:20 229 181
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Sorry for upsetting your nirvana.
After all everyone under the age of six will tell you that anger and denial solve every problem...
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02/02/2021 13:03:54 10 31
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So enlighten us, what does this article solve?
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02/02/2021 13:32:12 8 6
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Why have you brought anger and denial into this? And where did nirvana get in? Weird.
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02/02/2021 14:11:29 2 4
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There are times when anger is needed when the likes of you are in complete denial of reality that this is NOT a new black-death, that it STILL kills the very old and very ill in the vast majority of cases (despite the BBC seeking out young cases) and lock-down kills - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55900624
02/02/2021 14:58:37 0 2
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So you think that the huge fall in the number of cancer diagnoses last year are because cancer has gone away do you? It’s because the BBC and their MSM collaborators have used the exaggerated death figures to make a lot of people too scared to have a check up. But carry on with your childish insults if it makes you feel good
02/02/2021 15:15:21 0 1
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But sarcasm is of absolutely no help to anyone.
02/02/2021 15:35:06 0 1
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Ever heard of balanced, evidence based reporting...apparently not
02/02/2021 16:19:59 0 0
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And Donald Trump.
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02/02/2021 12:58:41 5 6
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Bloody Brexit!
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02/02/2021 12:52:53 10 8
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If this variant has mutated first in another county, will it now be called the 'Yorkshire' variant, or wherever it has been discovered, or will it continue to be associated with Kent??
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02/02/2021 12:58:46 5 0
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It will hardly matter as viruses can't hear.
02/02/2021 14:42:08 0 0
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Well, the current mutations can’t hear but who knows what’s around the corner ??
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02/02/2021 12:55:05 38 32
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I am so annoyed at the reactive and passive manner this government has dealt with covid. Why on earth did they not quarantine travellers as per scientific advice? Now we have a lovely melting pot of viruses doing the rounds. Why are we continuously cutting this government slack - they have been atrocious, apart from the vaccine rollout which may not be as protective now anyway!!
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02/02/2021 12:58:48 26 15
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Grow up. People "cutting them slack" cos the whole world dealing with this. But in the UK we see 400 scallies having an illegal rave. Or do you think Boris was the DJ?
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02/02/2021 13:05:22 11 6
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Not commenting on 'scallies' they will do what they may - and annoy me equally. But why do we continually have a government that refuses to 'follow the science' and take some actual proactive action. Its baffling - do you not agree with that?
614
02/02/2021 13:37:21 6 5
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Was the DJ last March allowing mass events to take place I'm sure that had a knock on effect and delays ever since. Try and tell me his decisions haven't added to the problems. Stop making excuses for this man. Is he not living up to your expectations. He lies, end of story.
02/02/2021 14:31:26 2 3
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He was the cyclist that drove to go cycling who made the rule that you shouldn't drive to go cycling though wasn't he.
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02/02/2021 12:55:37 42 42
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Give it a rest! Cherry picking scientists to suit your agenda as usual! Why not talk to the positive ones. You’re an embarrassment to the country now! Get behind it and applaud the vaccination process instead of focusing on everything negative you can find!
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02/02/2021 12:58:50 8 6
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I expect you voted for brexit!
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02/02/2021 13:02:36 5 2
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Wow! Still bitter about Brexit? Move on!
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02/02/2021 13:10:42 1 1
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Yes, its funny how the people who voted for Brexit are far more positive than the remainers who fear everything..
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GW
02/02/2021 12:56:04 498 37
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Stop people flying in and if they have to compulsory quarantine time for Govt to act
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02/02/2021 12:58:52 237 12
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They haven't been doing that since it started, and they're not exactly rushing to do it now.
02/02/2021 16:30:49 0 0
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Around the world millions of people are travelling and holidaying. Countries with far fewer restrictions than us and no or few travel bans. They are not being overwhelmed so why are we? We have draconian measures which are largely ineffective, stop blaming people and investigate WHY!
This French dinghy variant is a massive concern!

They need to contain it within Kent.
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The World is trapped inside a pseudo-reality where logic&truth are usurped by fear&expediency
One of the main constructs of a pseudo-reality is to present a plausible but deliberately wrong understanding of reality.
Believers then interpret the world as members of a cult would.
The cult of covid, enforced by a State and MSM enthral to their own sanctimony&power, with lockdown&vax as our saviour
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02/02/2021 12:58:56 40 35
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Try telling that to the hospital ICU staff
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02/02/2021 13:12:43 12 2
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Well, that's just silly.

Do you think that ICU staff haven't been taught that viruses mutate as part of their wider medical training?
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02/02/2021 12:58:57 6 12
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Next up: a variant that has mutated under vaccine pressure, and we’ve got nothing left in the arsenal. Shut the borders and lock down properly like they did in Australia and eliminate all chance of it mutating. We’ve been too slow at every step and lack leadership willing to really deal with this. Every screw-up has made this all the more expensive. We could have been free now like the Aussies
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02/02/2021 13:05:17 2 0
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When the population is as small as Australia and you’re not a transit point it’s much easier.
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02/02/2021 13:16:48 0 0
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I guess every country outside Australia then? GROW UP
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02/02/2021 12:59:02 124 36
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BREAKING: Health Secretary Matt Hancock has advised MP's that additional emergency measures will be announced in around 6 weeks time.
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gd
02/02/2021 13:15:18 70 12
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6 weeks. Wow, that urgent!
02/02/2021 14:25:36 9 1
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Too little, too late, too often
02/02/2021 17:02:32 0 0
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"emergency measures" is a reference to the legislative apparatus by which the government is able to act: the 'Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (COVID-19) Act 2020'

It is unfortunate that many seem not to understand this point and take a simplistic approach so as to platform needless attacks on any public servant of any background who is trying to serve us in the current context.
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02/02/2021 12:59:02 11 11
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I suppose this must be Boris's fault... Wait for Starmer to say i told you so
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02/02/2021 13:01:27 4 6
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YES it is Johnson's fault - to some extent: We need proper ENFORCEMENT to stop the spread. That will stop the mutations.
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02/02/2021 13:03:32 0 2
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If he'd have lockdown sooner in May???
Perhaps we wouldnt even need a vaccine.

Look at Isle of Man now!
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02/02/2021 13:22:22 0 1
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It should certainly be a competent Prime Ministers responsibility, whether that relates directly to Boris I'm not sure.
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02/02/2021 12:59:03 3 14
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If it will make the vaccines less effective, don't bother giving me my microchip, then
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02/02/2021 13:01:41 2 0
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why not: all you have to do is to disable your location and say that you do not want personalised adverts! And of course disable the camera when you go to the toilet and to vote!
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02/02/2021 13:03:52 0 0
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What are you talking about?
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02/02/2021 13:15:05 0 0
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Your already visible by typing on here. Tin hat anyone?
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02/02/2021 12:55:08 86 17
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There should be concern that this virus has the potentail to stay one step ahead of vaccination. The Govt should be actively planning for increased NHS capacity otherwise we'll be having this same conversation next winter
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02/02/2021 12:59:11 6 8
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If hey haven't combined flu and covid shots into a single seasonal jab by then, we are truly living in a land run by idiots.
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02/02/2021 12:52:30 289 55
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Why do us pseudo virologists and panic spreaders need to comment on this news that viruses mutate?
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02/02/2021 12:59:25 269 20
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Indeed Paul.
Dr Mike Tyldesley: "This is NOT a zombie apocalypse, it's what viruses do"
02/02/2021 14:13:14 2 1
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True but sometimes it just FEELS like a 'zombie apocalypse!
02/02/2021 15:15:25 0 0
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Bring on the Zombies.....
02/02/2021 17:04:11 1 0
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If the big brains in HMG and SAGE had given any thought in March, they would have protected the vulnerable, given sound advice to the rest of us and let the virus take its normal course – over 99% survive. We would by now have natural immunity and the virus would not have a gene pool to mutate - and we would have an economy and a health system servicing ill people.
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02/02/2021 12:59:26 283 22
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Will it stop footballers from getting unnecessary haircuts?
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02/02/2021 13:18:44 136 4
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Or hairdressers and others only being wrong because they got caught and some 'idiot' highlighted it on social media :-)
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02/02/2021 13:41:21 10 0
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But business men can fly in and out without quarantine
02/02/2021 14:08:35 10 5
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Or De Piffle from gallivanting around the country for totally pointless PR stunts?
02/02/2021 14:14:11 14 0
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Or the BBC camera crews from touring the country for the past year doorstepping thousands of ordinary members of the public to ask how they feel about stuff! So informative!
(And Huw Edwards hair has been immaculate throughout)
kh
02/02/2021 14:12:09 5 7
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Haircuts are necessary. Normality is necessary. Maybe pro football is unnecessary
02/02/2021 15:54:56 1 0
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Essential haircuts?
02/02/2021 16:25:16 0 0
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BBC News staff seem to have well groomed hair too
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02/02/2021 12:58:09 219 29
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Trouble is, there are always some people who don't care if they pass it on.
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02/02/2021 12:59:38 56 40
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Like rugby players for instance!
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02/02/2021 12:54:45 63 54
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Must we continue to be drip fed by the BBC who, it seems, are intent on spreading fear beyond that which exists.
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02/02/2021 12:59:43 64 25
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It's called news. If you don't like it read the Daily Mail or the Sun
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02/02/2021 13:32:49 4 0
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That's where a lot of Johnson supporters on here gettheir news.
02/02/2021 14:10:05 1 0
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That's where they get the news.
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02/02/2021 12:53:24 503 297
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The typical BBC negative article - full of may, could, possibly. Get some decent scientific details or shut up scaremongering.
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02/02/2021 12:59:51 29 22
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Experts have already said the virus could mutate ‘around’ the vaccine within a few mutations and make vaccine useless. It’s time to close borders and track and trace to zero. It what the Isle of Man did as well as Auz and NZ.
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02/02/2021 13:07:12 10 15
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No, it's time to realise we cannot play King Canute
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02/02/2021 13:56:57 3 3
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It could also mutate to become totally harmless.
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02/02/2021 12:52:53 10 27
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Extend furlough and lockdown. So close now. Tougher lockdown, close borders and house to house testing. We can get this resolved like Isle of Man and New Zealand. Target zero cases
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02/02/2021 12:59:56 2 3
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You cannot target zero cases in a small country with 67m people! Wake up! Also this is replacing our normal flu and you do not want to get rid of the flu completely as we’ll all be wiped out if a new virus appeared in 10 years time as we’ll have no natural immunity! All vaccines have to do is soften our bodies to this new strain! There’s nothing wrong with getting it if we don’t become really ill
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02/02/2021 13:56:29 0 2
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Vietnam have that with a country of 90 million, unless you mean Johnson can’t manage it in this country of 60 million?
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02/02/2021 12:56:07 111 58
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We should have taken a eradication strategy rather than a containment strategy like New Zealand and IOM last March
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02/02/2021 12:59:57 30 25
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Too late for that now. If our incompetent government took the same action as New Zealand and the IOM did, we wouldn't be in such a mess now with over 100,000 deaths.

But clearly Bonkers Boris thought otherwise.
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Bob
02/02/2021 13:13:50 28 15
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New Zealand locked down after we did. New Zealand didn't set up enforced hotel quarantine for it's returning residents until mid-April (past our initial peak of deaths).

The idea the "if we did what New Zealand did..." would have prevented all of this is a myth.
02/02/2021 14:53:38 1 0
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the EU has over 600k deaths, is that Boris' fault too?
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02/02/2021 12:58:08 9 26
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If it weren't for this governments catastrophic incompetence maybe the virus would not have had the chance to start mutating. SShhh, don't mention the 106,000 who've lost their lives due to Boris & his cronies utter failure.
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02/02/2021 13:00:00 8 1
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You could always move to America?
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02/02/2021 13:01:50 0 2
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Tempting now Boris idol is history ! At least they've regained some semblance of sanity
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02/02/2021 13:00:01 0 2
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I am not sure how this works. Can a vaccine force the virus to mutate in a more dangerous way and kill more, in order to evade the vaccine and to do what viruses do? I realise viruses do not really want to kill the host. Seems to be a war in the micro world though that goes on. Just interested..... LOL
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02/02/2021 13:02:06 1 0
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yes, its evolution.

The stronger survive and thrive
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02/02/2021 12:55:37 42 42
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Give it a rest! Cherry picking scientists to suit your agenda as usual! Why not talk to the positive ones. You’re an embarrassment to the country now! Get behind it and applaud the vaccination process instead of focusing on everything negative you can find!
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02/02/2021 13:00:01 4 4
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Correct are we going to hide from every mutation for ever I think not we have to live with this as soon as the most vulnerable have been vaccinated the rest have to get back to work and live with it. Its now being hyped up out of all proportion. After all 99% recover that a great virus to get !
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02/02/2021 13:10:02 5 1
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99% recover? 107K deaths from 3.64M cases gives a death rate of 2.8%, which doesn't include those suffering long term problems from contracting it.

Stop repeating this absolute twaddle.
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02/02/2021 12:58:07 31 32
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Great scaremongering headline - well done BBC.
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02/02/2021 13:00:03 22 12
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It's the news, the reporting of a fact. Sorry you don't like that.
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02/02/2021 13:02:58 2 1
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Woopydoo. In three months time - guess what?! it'll mutate again. Shall we run another story?
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02/02/2021 13:10:10 2 1
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Maybe a better headline would be about the fact that 'Despite mutations the vaccines are still effective'.......but that wouldnt read so well would it.......
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02/02/2021 13:40:37 0 0
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Like it if it had provided good Johnson news story.
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02/02/2021 13:00:05 3 3
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End of days.
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02/02/2021 13:03:31 4 4
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Days have already ended. This pointless imprisoned existence is no life.
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02/02/2021 13:00:05 136 40
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And it will continue mutating, as all viruses do, both domestically in this country and from abroad. So why all the noise on the 'SA' variant and closing borders as demanded by Labour?

This will keep happening, can't fight it, time to move on with our lives, vaccinating annually, before the indirect damage is irreparable.
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02/02/2021 13:13:40 69 16
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I think the concern is that the current vaccines might or are rendered less effective as mutations appear.
Indirect damage would become severe if hospitals swamped with Covid patients requiring treatment to recover. We're already seeing example of ICUs overloaded and patients being moved.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-55675675
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02/02/2021 13:42:46 4 1
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You don’t want to close the borders to restrict access of other mutations?
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02/02/2021 13:46:06 12 0
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Because you can slow down the incidence of new variants arriving while we immunise more people and empty our critical care wards. Thats why.
kh
02/02/2021 14:14:42 1 0
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They will mutate in order to continue spreading during lockdown, hand washing, mask wearing, double mask wearing, social distancing, etc. Potentially these will be tougher fewer virus particles which will cause more illness.

Change an ecosystem expect a mutation to adapt.
02/02/2021 15:41:09 3 0
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It isn't time to move on *yet*. First we have to stop masses of people dying uneccessarily by getting them vaccinated - against any variants that arise, as quickly as possible. Once this is done (& the UK is doing quite well, so perhaps 2 - 3 months to wait), we can indeed get on with our lives, and, yes, annual vaccinations for COVID are looking increasingly likely.
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02/02/2021 12:57:27 94 13
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it sounds worse than what it is
The article does well to state the current vaccines will likely still be effective and scientists are already ready to tweak vaccines if needs be
The reason this is a concern is the government wants this to be the last lockdown and new variant could change this
Either way the warmer weather plus the immunity people are building up means we should be opening up soon
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02/02/2021 13:00:11 15 21
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Tweak vaccine, and deliver it by starting vaccination from scratch before the next mutation

Repeat
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02/02/2021 13:44:10 7 1
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You can't tweak the vaccine "before the next mutation" until you know what the next mutation is!! Just think about it... Could be an embarrassing waste of money if the tweak actually made it less effective.
kh
02/02/2021 14:16:18 0 8
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0.003% of the trial and control groups in the Pfizer tests, supposedly contracted the virus. Not really a tested vaccine more like a procedure that the government admits offers no real protection.
02/02/2021 14:28:03 1 0
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Sounds more realistic. Because the Virus was allowed to become endemic it will continue to mutate because that is what viruses do. Like flu we have to live with it so continuous revaccination every year if we are lucky.
Eradicating the virus no longer looks practical. Overseas holidays are no longer what we can control. Other countries will not want us spreading the virus so will lock us out.
02/02/2021 15:38:28 0 1
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It won’t be from scratch...it says no where that the current vaccine will be useless, just less effective
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02/02/2021 12:52:27 7 7
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Oh come on now, enough of this constant nonsense.
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02/02/2021 13:00:22 5 1
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That you don't understand it doesn't make it nonsense.
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slr
02/02/2021 13:00:24 2 2
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I know that all HYSays are pointless but what on earth is there to say about this?

Surely there's nothing about which to offer an opinion.

It is what it is.
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02/02/2021 13:03:12 0 0
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And yet you commented!
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02/02/2021 13:00:28 8 5
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If Boris Johnson could, adapt, change or mutate as fast as Covid-19, we wouldn’t be in such a mess.
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02/02/2021 13:02:35 5 6
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It’s easy when you don’t actually have to make the decisions, but just mock others.
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02/02/2021 13:05:56 1 2
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Well yes I think he has cost many lives in the UK due to poor policy and indecisiveness. I am not trying to be poltical. I realise it is difficult but other countries have done better, although well done on vaccine rollout. Maybe Cummings was the bad influence
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02/02/2021 13:13:33 1 2
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Could say the same about your armchair academics
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02/02/2021 13:39:14 4 2
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He can. He's mutated from a useless leader to an even more useless leader within a year.
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jay
02/02/2021 13:00:31 5 5
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Fast forward post , dated may 21 /21 teir 7 here bread and pencils not essential,school closed no holiday ,bed by 8pm no story
But we flattered the cure just got the media Curve to beat????
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Sam
02/02/2021 12:52:33 834 328
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It's a virus. They mutate. Stop trying to continually scare everyone BBC.

Maybe highlight that they are still happy that the vaccine will work with it.....
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02/02/2021 13:00:31 79 60
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Waiting for Kier Starmmer to say the government should have anticipated the latest mutation
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02/02/2021 13:07:24 15 10
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TBH he wouldnt be in the wrong for this. The shambles of an approach to dealing with the virus (not the vaccine rollout) has created the perfect environment for mutations to occur.... so yes, we should have expected this.
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02/02/2021 13:25:22 7 0
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They've been warned time and time and time and time and time again. But sure, blame the opposition.
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02/02/2021 13:27:26 2 6
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he is still climbing down from the last fence he sat on. Be patient.
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02/02/2021 13:28:23 3 2
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He'd be correct of course. Viruses mutate and "survival of the fittest" generally means a mutation that benefits the virus doesn't benefit us. The only way to stop viruses mutating is to reduce cases to zero. Its no coincidence "UK variant" evolved in Tier 2 London while the rest of the country was in tier 3 and 4.
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02/02/2021 12:56:06 14 8
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The virus will mutate REGARDLESS whether we are locked up or not. Thats just what they do.
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02/02/2021 13:00:34 5 0
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Lockdowns reduce transition meaning less people have it mean less mutations, not difficult is it?
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02/02/2021 13:27:59 1 1
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Lockdowns also increase selective evolutionary pressures, meaning that any variants with mutations which increase transmission rates are always going to be disproportionately more successful (until they're capable of overcoming the effectiveness of any lockdown measures, as with these strains in the UK). Not difficult, is it?
The World is trapped inside a pseudo-reality where logic&truth are usurped by fear&expediency
One of the main constructs of a pseudo-reality is to present a plausible but deliberately wrong understanding of reality.
Believers then interpret the world as members of a cult would.
The cult of covid, enforced by a State and MSM enthral to their own sanctimony&power, with lockdown&vax as our saviour
Removed
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02/02/2021 13:00:42 5 5
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Thanks for making my point for me.
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02/02/2021 13:00:47 5 6
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Why were there no mutant strains in the 9 months before the vaccines were rolled out?
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02/02/2021 13:01:47 2 0
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There were!
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02/02/2021 13:03:50 0 0
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I believe this is due to the amount of virus going around.
Vote up if you think Captain Sir Tom should have gone to Barbados or down if you think it was deeply irresponsible and should be the headline news. Removed
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02/02/2021 13:00:49 3 0
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Looking to blame Captain Sir Tom Moore? Classy.