'Reed's reputation precedes him'
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Patrick Reed and Rory McIlroy followed similar protocols when dealing with an embedded ball last week but the American is under more scrutiny because reputations matter, writes Iain Carter.
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I'm playing the worlds tiniest violin in a solemn tribute to these poor, victimised millionaires. Life has a way of giving you what you deserve. Serena Williams, Reed, Joelinton, Sharapova - you get the attention you earn. Rules is rules no matter how big you think you are.
He has got a reputation, but on this occasion I kind of feel for him, he was told by the ball spotter it didn't bounce, could he have handled it better? Definitely, but the rules official was happy so that should be the end of it.
I guess the key thing here is that the ball spotter allegedly said they didn't "see it" bounce which is not the same as saying "it didn't bounce". With that element of doubt Reed should have waited for an official. If he had asked for the referee before he moved the ball that would have been the correct procedure under the circumstances.
Why wait? The Rules are clear that he doesn't have to.
It isn't up to the player to make new rules up as he goes around the course.
When Joe Bloggs is out on his Sunday Medal, will he call for a Rules Official?
One set of rules for ALL golfers. Unless Local Rules are in place that is.
Live with it. Don't let your personal prejudices cloud the scenario. Or call McIlroy out as a cheat too.
It isn't up to the player to make new rules up as he goes around the course.
When Joe Bloggs is out on his Sunday Medal, will he call for a Rules Official?
One set of rules for ALL golfers. Unless Local Rules are in place that is.
Live with it. Don't let your personal prejudices cloud the scenario. Or call McIlroy out as a cheat too.
I’m no fan of Reed, but on this occasion, I think he’s being unfairly hounded. He did ask the ball spotter if it bounced and she clearly said no.
He could have left the ball until the rules official arrived.
Within the law of the game, yes
Within the spirit of the game, the reaction worldwide says no.
He could have left the ball until the rules official arrived.
Within the law of the game, yes
Within the spirit of the game, the reaction worldwide says no.
I REALLY DON'T TRUST REED AT ALL. Golf is a game requiring integrity, and the evidence is that he doesn't have any of that. He repeatedly gets caught doing things you're not meant to - and getting away with it. GOLF WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITHOUT HIM!!!
Nothing really to say is there. The man's a devious cheat. He needs to be reprimanded for the good of the game.
Yes reprimand him for sticking to the Rules.
You'd better do the same to McIlroy as he did the same, as probably did a large number of players in this and every tournament since the rules were clarified
You'd better do the same to McIlroy as he did the same, as probably did a large number of players in this and every tournament since the rules were clarified
If you make rules that when followed to the letter cause controversy you have only yourself to blame. I’m no fan of Reed and he hasn’t done himself any favours but it’s a bit rich him being criticised for following rules.
Agree. Recent rule changes have done nothing but muddy the waters. Designed to speed up play, make the game more enjoyable and inclusive rather than to make the game fair for all. Those who play the game for more than a month or two can see something is awry. Reed broke no rules.
Question seems to be did he apply the rule for an embedded ball incorrectly since it clearly was unlikely to be embedded. I think he manipulated the situation when he didn't like the lie... That's misapplying rules. Only he truly knows but he also could easily have avoided the situation should he have cared to.
Yea, if you're not sure. You pick your ball up yourself, move it then tell official you want a ruling. Might try that next time I'm behind something or an ant is on my ball.
The rules do not allow you to move your ball then tell the marker YOU tell the marker first
Unfortunately you are correct as the PGA officials have given him the OK but the problem is the rule itself is open to abuse and their is no doubt in my mind that Reed and probably several other Pro's took advantage of this.I believe the 'embedded ball' must be verified by a fellow competitor before relief is taken.
He did nothing wrong. Get over it.
Shame really as the game needs some edgy characters - but not cheats. VJ Singh still suffers from a reputation and that was from his amateur career - amongst the players, they do not forget and word will spread rapidly. Personally I like the water off a duck's back attitude he has, especially for RC but this is a continuing theme for Reed.
So using your logic, it is Fine to call McIlroy a cheat as well?
I watched Vijay Singh play at The Grove a few years back - he had a reputation as a hot head strangely. He drove his ball into the rough on one hole and I watched an elderly official shuffle towards his ball and accidentally tread on it, pushing it 90% below the mud. The other officials quickly ushered the culprit away before VS could find him and tell him what he thought.
Didn't even know the US Open was on... BBC hardly promoted one of the 4 major golf events of the year. Shame.
If you actually follow golf properly and/or read the article properly, you’ll find it was NOT the US Open. So desparate to bash the BBC. Get out from under that rock fgs.
What? It says it's a US Open course it wasn't the US Open and you owe the much maligned BBC an apology.
It wasn't the US Open, the event was just held at a former US Open venue
You can't have it both ways. We want play speeded up and Reed resembles new golf. The outcome would have been the same whether he called an official first or after. The spotter said it didn't bounce. End of.
Reed is the best golfer in the world show some respect you peasants!
Think Dustin Johnson might have something to say about that......
Didn't even know the US Open was on... BBC hardly promoted one of the 4 major golf events of the year. Shame.
Didn't even know the US Open was on... BBC hardly promoted one of the 4 major golf events of the year. Shame.
Didn't even know the US Open was on... BBC hardly promoted one of the 4 major golf events of the year. Shame.
the 2021 US Open Venue.
We golfers know when a ball in plugged or not, and if that ball bounced up about a foot, how can it possibly be plugged when it fell back from about a foot? Reed knew it wasn't plugged, yes deep down in the grass but not plugged. The rules official got it wrong but I think he was influenced by Reed.
The rules don't say 'plugged' they say 'embedded' which is ANY part of the ball below the ground. If the ground is soggy enough, you could PLACE it on the ground and it would sink. I don't know if it was embedded, neither do you. The rules official said it was. Should be the end of the story.
But NOBODY knew it bounced!
Spot on ... everyone knows it wasn't plugged. If a ball is embedded it's obvious to any "golfer". Sad that a top tour pro can't or chooses not to tell the difference?!
Wholeheartedly agree. And contrasting with Rory McIlroy's ball replacement, there seemed to be no lie improvement for Rory at all, whereas Patrick Reed's ball went from deep rough to fringe rough - so no comparison
i have seen balls bounce 3 times and plug, you have no clue how wet the ground was where his ball went. At Torey Pines they actually put hose pipes in the rough and leave them on all night to grow the rough...you can drop it in some places from knee height and it will plug !
Reed went out of his way to call the rules official over (unlike Rory). He didn't know that the official could be 'influenced'; if there had not been an obvious dip in the ground, the official would have called it - or might have, Reed couldn't be sure of that. So if you think it was a deliberate pre-meditated cheat, Reed must be a new Derren Brown, confident of his ability to control minds...
Drop your golf ball from 2-3 feet not 1 foot into very soft wet ground and you’ll find it makes a slight indentation! That’s all that it needs to be classed as plugged! Reed wasn’t at fault here! It’s all about his reputation which isn’t great... rorys and reeds were identical as they both bounced and Rory swore on his life his was plugged! So either both are liars or both telling the truth!
The evidence is damming for Reed. However I’m surprised at McIlroy his ball bounced aswell surely he could tell his ball wasn’t plugged aswell
Funny how the Marshall reported that it did not bounce.
When you say Reed you actually meant to say Reed and MaclLroy?
The rules of golf are written expecting the players to act with integrity and respect the spirit of the game. Unfortunately there is so much money in the professional game this is always going to happen 90% of the golf in tournaments isnt on tv. So there is probably a lot more of this going on. Reeds just on tv more than the others
For me The Rules Committee left themselves wide open to exploitation...
Why, they ALL abode by the Rules.
As usual in the reporting of sporting events and stars the media are more interested in controversy than they are in celebrating performance. Patrick Reeds golf throughout this tournament was superb, particularly his short game. Everything he did was within the Rules of Golf. My admiration and congratulations go to Mr Reed for a stunning performance/
Thank you for the comment from Patrick Reed's father.
Reed was very close to the edge on the rules but has been exonerated by the ruling body so I guess we have to accept that. Within the rules yes, within the spirit - questionable! No one seems to have questioned the rules official as, clearly, the ball was not embedded. I think Rory has a question to answer too as his ball also can not have been embedded.
He was nowhere near the edge. Rory was closer to the edge - but both were fine. Look at the comments other pros have made - they were more in line with Rory's actions.
This is why grassroots dont play golf. Stuck up clubs and officials rules from the arc class bias and general la de da attitude Im a member at this and that club. Last year a member where I play let out a volley of expletives when someone spoke as he hit his tee shot. The guy couldnt reach the end of the tee box on a good day he was there to be seen and heard obviously. lighten up !!
The Champion Golfer that everybody loves to hate did not break any rules
read the above out loud and then calm down !
read the above out loud and then calm down !
This new rule, whereby you do not even have to consult you’re playing partners is just the tip of the iceberg in a catalogue of ridiculous rule changes. Yes, he won, but this win will always have an asterisk next to it. Silly thing is, he probably doesn’t need to try and gain these advantages, his short-game is off the charts-good!
Utter rubbish.
Reed deserves his past reputation BUT he did nothing wrong here. In fact he went above and beyond what most pros have commented they would do - as also evidenced by what Rory did.
Past transgressions he deserves more scrutiny but this weekend he did nothing wrong.
Reed deserves his past reputation BUT he did nothing wrong here. In fact he went above and beyond what most pros have commented they would do - as also evidenced by what Rory did.
Past transgressions he deserves more scrutiny but this weekend he did nothing wrong.
With the amount of money involved in golf it seems naive to have “rules” that rely on personal integrity and not realize that, at some time, they will be abused.
PGA should clear this up , they can
1) leave problem unchanged & accept future mistakes.
2) penalize reed 2 shots (won’t affect result) & clarify the rule
3) state reed acted in good faith & clarify the rule
4) change rule.
PGA should clear this up , they can
1) leave problem unchanged & accept future mistakes.
2) penalize reed 2 shots (won’t affect result) & clarify the rule
3) state reed acted in good faith & clarify the rule
4) change rule.
The only way to do this would be to have a rules official with each player. Which is ludicrous.
He stuck to the rules and yet because he is an abrasive character people don't like it and castigate him.
Not like Tiger when he got the crowd to move a loose impediment, a boulder weighing several hundredweight!
He stuck to the rules and yet because he is an abrasive character people don't like it and castigate him.
Not like Tiger when he got the crowd to move a loose impediment, a boulder weighing several hundredweight!
They did issue a clarification - which said that Reed and McIlroy did the correct thing and there is no issue.
When will people realise that this is just the media stirring things up for click bait.
When will people realise that this is just the media stirring things up for click bait.
"your ball is embedded only if it is in its own pitch-mark made as a result of your previous stroke and part of your ball is below the ground".
If a pitch mark is the mark left by a ball landing on the ground and your previous stroke is over when the ball comes to rest, I don't see why a ball that bounces in soggy ground can't have two (or more) pitch marks. Is there more to this rule?
If a pitch mark is the mark left by a ball landing on the ground and your previous stroke is over when the ball comes to rest, I don't see why a ball that bounces in soggy ground can't have two (or more) pitch marks. Is there more to this rule?
Let's not forget Tiger Woods loose impediment interpretation when he asked for assistance from fans to move a boulder which resulted in an unobstructed swing and ball flight.
Remember it well and a long list of questionable acts from him. But as the darling of the American media and USPGA he can do no wrong. Should have been kicked out of the Masters a few years back but escaped.
With the amount of money involved in golf it seems naive to have “rules” that rely on personal integrity and not realize that, at some time, they will be abused.
PGA should clear this up , they can
1) leave problem unchanged & accept future mistakes.
2) penalize reed 2 shots (won’t affect result) & clarify the rule
3) state reed acted in good faith & clarify the rule
4) change rule.
PGA should clear this up , they can
1) leave problem unchanged & accept future mistakes.
2) penalize reed 2 shots (won’t affect result) & clarify the rule
3) state reed acted in good faith & clarify the rule
4) change rule.
The only way to do this would be to have a rules official with each player. Which is ludicrous.
He stuck to the rules and yet because he is an abrasive character people don't like it and castigate him.
Not like Tiger when he got the crowd to move a loose impediment, a boulder weighing several hundredweight!
He stuck to the rules and yet because he is an abrasive character people don't like it and castigate him.
Not like Tiger when he got the crowd to move a loose impediment, a boulder weighing several hundredweight!
They are paid enough - why not have your own rules official and a caddy? Fitness coach, psychologist, physio, 'quiet please' board holder and make an 8 seat Golf Kart compulsory (with extra points for customisation) - y'know y'all modernise the game
This is why grassroots dont play golf. Stuck up clubs and officials rules from the arc class bias and general la de da attitude Im a member at this and that club. Last year a member where I play let out a volley of expletives when someone spoke as he hit his tee shot. The guy couldnt reach the end of the tee box on a good day he was there to be seen and heard obviously. lighten up !!
Once a cheat, rightly or wrongly, you are tarred with this for the rest of your life. Reed has 'history' and will never lose the tag.
Golf fans live in the 1950s hence the tweed and slacks.
Given his previous, he should have called over the official and got a ruling. Then he could be seen to be abiding by the rules. Whether it bounced or not, he could not see it and has to rely on the ball spotter and the rules official, THEN pick it up once a ruling has been made.
The rules are there to protect everyone. You cannot choose which ones to use and which ones not to use depending on the player concerned.
Reed dis exactly what was allowed, so no issues, as did McIlroy. So are we going to call him a cheat as well?
How many amateurs will call for a rules official to come out when in a similar situation? NONE.
Reed dis exactly what was allowed, so no issues, as did McIlroy. So are we going to call him a cheat as well?
How many amateurs will call for a rules official to come out when in a similar situation? NONE.
Abide
This new rule, whereby you do not even have to consult you’re playing partners is just the tip of the iceberg in a catalogue of ridiculous rule changes. Yes, he won, but this win will always have an asterisk next to it. Silly thing is, he probably doesn’t need to try and gain these advantages, his short-game is off the charts-good!
So why are his fellow pro’s (Schauffele’s comments) questioning what he did?
Difference is Mcilroy notified one of his playing partners beforehand. PR marked/picked the ball up of his own accord. Clearly don’t know what you’re talking about if you think it’s ok to just mark you’re ball without at least consulting a playing partner. As a pro, he has an obligation to protect his fellow competitors!
Difference is Mcilroy notified one of his playing partners beforehand. PR marked/picked the ball up of his own accord. Clearly don’t know what you’re talking about if you think it’s ok to just mark you’re ball without at least consulting a playing partner. As a pro, he has an obligation to protect his fellow competitors!
The Champion Golfer that everybody loves to hate did not break any rules
read the above out loud and then calm down !
read the above out loud and then calm down !
I've never seen a ball plugged after a second bounce, would'nt look plugged, would'nt feel plugged, especially in grass. Both cheated to gain advantage.
Shame really as the game needs some edgy characters - but not cheats. VJ Singh still suffers from a reputation and that was from his amateur career - amongst the players, they do not forget and word will spread rapidly. Personally I like the water off a duck's back attitude he has, especially for RC but this is a continuing theme for Reed.
Where is the logic that implied that in my comment? Both made a similar call but RM doesn't have a reputation - as Carter says in his article. My point is that there are far too many boring players and it's enjoyable (for me) when there's a bit of edge in the game.
Reed was very close to the edge on the rules but has been exonerated by the ruling body so I guess we have to accept that. Within the rules yes, within the spirit - questionable! No one seems to have questioned the rules official as, clearly, the ball was not embedded. I think Rory has a question to answer too as his ball also can not have been embedded.
This is why grassroots dont play golf. Stuck up clubs and officials rules from the arc class bias and general la de da attitude Im a member at this and that club. Last year a member where I play let out a volley of expletives when someone spoke as he hit his tee shot. The guy couldnt reach the end of the tee box on a good day he was there to be seen and heard obviously. lighten up !!
We golfers know when a ball in plugged or not, and if that ball bounced up about a foot, how can it possibly be plugged when it fell back from about a foot? Reed knew it wasn't plugged, yes deep down in the grass but not plugged. The rules official got it wrong but I think he was influenced by Reed.
Are you an American by any chance... we can't have an American being criticised/scrutinised? However; it's perfectly 'fine' for Americans to
'lambast' the rest of the world, pathetic really.
'lambast' the rest of the world, pathetic really.
our game is about integrity-and a whole lot of dosh.
We golfers know when a ball in plugged or not, and if that ball bounced up about a foot, how can it possibly be plugged when it fell back from about a foot? Reed knew it wasn't plugged, yes deep down in the grass but not plugged. The rules official got it wrong but I think he was influenced by Reed.
Rubbish..exploiting the rules. The official was confused.
Having watched this, and his interview, my take on it is that he did everything by the rules, even asking the spotter, so the rest is pure conjecture...if you look hard enough for something, you will probably find it. BUT....at my club, in my 4-ball, if in doubt YOU PLAY IT AS IT LIES. Why does this not apply to tour pros, who have a far better chance of executing the shot than we do anyway?
I'm not a fan of Reed, and it's pretty obvious that his PGA colleagues are diving on the opportunity to bury him here.
But I prefer the idea of players making calls on the course and getting on with the game, like we do, rather than the game grinding to a halt every time a player needs to apply a simple rule. Yes, there will be errors, but better to keep the game moving.
But I prefer the idea of players making calls on the course and getting on with the game, like we do, rather than the game grinding to a halt every time a player needs to apply a simple rule. Yes, there will be errors, but better to keep the game moving.
,,, they're probably more annoyed he won by five strokes.
I guess the key thing here is that the ball spotter allegedly said they didn't "see it" bounce which is not the same as saying "it didn't bounce". With that element of doubt Reed should have waited for an official. If he had asked for the referee before he moved the ball that would have been the correct procedure under the circumstances.
Why wait? The Rules are clear that he doesn't have to.
It isn't up to the player to make new rules up as he goes around the course.
When Joe Bloggs is out on his Sunday Medal, will he call for a Rules Official?
One set of rules for ALL golfers. Unless Local Rules are in place that is.
Live with it. Don't let your personal prejudices cloud the scenario. Or call McIlroy out as a cheat too.
It isn't up to the player to make new rules up as he goes around the course.
When Joe Bloggs is out on his Sunday Medal, will he call for a Rules Official?
One set of rules for ALL golfers. Unless Local Rules are in place that is.
Live with it. Don't let your personal prejudices cloud the scenario. Or call McIlroy out as a cheat too.
Reed wasn't playing a Sunday medal. It was a tour event.
No we wouldn’t call out a Referee in our monthly medal...what we all do...or should do, is ask our marker, if there’s a doubt then we play it as it lies, and then ask the question of the handicap secretary when we hand the card in. Which is exactly what McIlroy did and Reed didn’t. The ball spotter isn’t an official or a marker of Reeds card...they’re there as volunteers helping find balls!
Patrick Reed isn't Joe Bloggs. Joe Bloggs doesn't have 20 rule officals on course.
I don't see what the issue is here. He did it in the rules, asked a nearby spotter if they had seen the ball bounce and they said no. It is difficult...it is a small ball travelling at speed often over 200 yards into thick rough. It is difficult to see. He even had an official come out to him. Mountain out of a molehill. Rory did it....Reed did it. End of story.
For me the key is that Reed picked up his ball to see IF his ball was plugged and then he judged that it had. However, TV clearly showed the ball had bounced and therefore could and would not have plugged. So how can he have determined the ball was below ground level? He should have carefully lifted it an inch or two, seen it was not plugged, and replaced it.
So we will have to have cameras for every player on the course to ensure nobody is advantaged over, or disadvantaged by the lack of them. Then add in the time to get the video reviewed and we could be in for 10 hour rounds.
What a dozy comment.
What a dozy comment.
Not haven't played for a while, I hadn't heard of this new rule about lifting plugged balls. Does this apply in bunkers also? (Since that's where I seem to spend most time on a golf course)
Sadly not!
It's the rule that's at fault, not Patrick Reed who is being vilified as an anti establishment figure. You don't get to pick out of a plugged lie in a bunker or to take relief from a water hazard. If you put the ball into wet ground off the fairway, your only options should be to play as it lies of take relief with a penalty stroke.
We golfers know when a ball in plugged or not, and if that ball bounced up about a foot, how can it possibly be plugged when it fell back from about a foot? Reed knew it wasn't plugged, yes deep down in the grass but not plugged. The rules official got it wrong but I think he was influenced by Reed.
There is the evidence of the TV coverage, showing clearly that it did indeed bounce.
Having watched a 4 minute video of the incident (thank you ESPN), his behaviour was a bit odd.
He was told by the spotter she hadn't seen it bounce, said to playing partners he was going to check it and then marked and picked up the ball pretty quickly. He then called the official who checked the spot and said he felt a lip so the drop was fine. He was able to drop in a much nicer spot of grass
He was told by the spotter she hadn't seen it bounce, said to playing partners he was going to check it and then marked and picked up the ball pretty quickly. He then called the official who checked the spot and said he felt a lip so the drop was fine. He was able to drop in a much nicer spot of grass
Why don't the authorities introduce something like VAR? That's worked a treat!
Let's not forget Tiger Woods loose impediment interpretation when he asked for assistance from fans to move a boulder which resulted in an unobstructed swing and ball flight.
It's the rule that's at fault, not Patrick Reed who is being vilified as an anti establishment figure. You don't get to pick out of a plugged lie in a bunker or to take relief from a water hazard. If you put the ball into wet ground off the fairway, your only options should be to play as it lies of take relief with a penalty stroke.
It's all very well saying that he followed the rules IF he believed it was embedded. My issues are Did it actually break ground and did he truly believe that? It fell from about 1 foot high into lengthy grass so why would it look embedded. And if he really was convinced it had broken ground, why not let the official see it before lifting it. He was calling him over anyway.
Not haven't played for a while, I hadn't heard of this new rule about lifting plugged balls. Does this apply in bunkers also? (Since that's where I seem to spend most time on a golf course)
Unfortunately Iain Carter displays the behaviours of all that is wrong with golf. The nasty bigotry that demonises people because they dont follow the norm. Usually it is women or people with the "wrong" clothes who tare the victims. Today it is Reed, and Carter desperately tries to engender hatred towards him.
If Caters piece was a HYS comment it'd be moderated out
If Caters piece was a HYS comment it'd be moderated out
We golfers know when a ball in plugged or not, and if that ball bounced up about a foot, how can it possibly be plugged when it fell back from about a foot? Reed knew it wasn't plugged, yes deep down in the grass but not plugged. The rules official got it wrong but I think he was influenced by Reed.
It's not a case of plugged, it's a case of is it slightly below the surface level hence they say it broke the ground in both cases as dirt was on the ball. They may be incorrect in their drops but your adding something in which isn't part of the rules.
Given his previous, he should have called over the official and got a ruling. Then he could be seen to be abiding by the rules. Whether it bounced or not, he could not see it and has to rely on the ball spotter and the rules official, THEN pick it up once a ruling has been made.
His ball was very deeply buried considering it had bounced and given the ball spotter's assurance that it hadn't bounced, Reed probably felt he was safe and genuinely thought it had plugged. The rules official then inspected the lie forensically and declared that the ball was lying in an indentation which meant a free drop (whether it had bounced or not). Reed is more appreciated in the UK.
'the ball was lying in an indentation which meant a free drop'. That's not correct, the rules say "your ball is embedded only if it is in its own pitch-mark made as a result of your previous stroke". It's not a free drop if it rolls into an existing mark. It's just tough luck.
Once a cheat, rightly or wrongly, you are tarred with this for the rest of your life. Reed has 'history' and will never lose the tag.
No it is a game where the individual golfer decides whether to play by the rules or cheat.
Reed cheated previously of his own volition because he thought he could get away with it.
He is forever now a cheat.
Reed cheated previously of his own volition because he thought he could get away with it.
He is forever now a cheat.
prejudiced not bigoted - try learning the difference. Bigotry is totally unjustified prejudice.
Higher motor insurance premiums for a driver with a long accient record is prejudice; higher motor insurance premiums for a driver because you don't like his parent's choice of Christian names is bigotry.
Higher motor insurance premiums for a driver with a long accient record is prejudice; higher motor insurance premiums for a driver because you don't like his parent's choice of Christian names is bigotry.
What a ridiculous comment !
What? Are you suggesting that if your a golfer you must be a bigot?
What a time English golf is in and has it ever happened before?
During the course of 3 massive tourneys we have had 4 English Champs.
Westy and Fitzy winning on the same day then Hatton wiping the floor with MclLRoy then Casey giving Bob an almighty beating.
The ball was plugged. Pat Reed did everything right. Verdict - PLAY ON which he did, in great style too.
73 and 15th? LOL
During the course of 3 massive tourneys we have had 4 English Champs.
Westy and Fitzy winning on the same day then Hatton wiping the floor with MclLRoy then Casey giving Bob an almighty beating.
The ball was plugged. Pat Reed did everything right. Verdict - PLAY ON which he did, in great style too.
73 and 15th? LOL
With the amount of money involved in golf it seems naive to have “rules” that rely on personal integrity and not realize that, at some time, they will be abused.
PGA should clear this up , they can
1) leave problem unchanged & accept future mistakes.
2) penalize reed 2 shots (won’t affect result) & clarify the rule
3) state reed acted in good faith & clarify the rule
4) change rule.
PGA should clear this up , they can
1) leave problem unchanged & accept future mistakes.
2) penalize reed 2 shots (won’t affect result) & clarify the rule
3) state reed acted in good faith & clarify the rule
4) change rule.
This new rule, whereby you do not even have to consult you’re playing partners is just the tip of the iceberg in a catalogue of ridiculous rule changes. Yes, he won, but this win will always have an asterisk next to it. Silly thing is, he probably doesn’t need to try and gain these advantages, his short-game is off the charts-good!
Unfortunately Iain Carter displays the behaviours of all that is wrong with golf. The nasty bigotry that demonises people because they dont follow the norm. Usually it is women or people with the "wrong" clothes who tare the victims. Today it is Reed, and Carter desperately tries to engender hatred towards him.
If Caters piece was a HYS comment it'd be moderated out
If Caters piece was a HYS comment it'd be moderated out
You can tell when a ball is embedded. you may need to lift the ball to tell; but you can tell. If the rules official looked at the 'indentation' and said it was embedded - it was. It can be embedded from a 300 yard drive or a 2 foot bounce if the ground is soft enough.
It's the rule that's at fault, not Patrick Reed who is being vilified as an anti establishment figure. You don't get to pick out of a plugged lie in a bunker or to take relief from a water hazard. If you put the ball into wet ground off the fairway, your only options should be to play as it lies of take relief with a penalty stroke.
I am not particularly a fan of Reed but think that part of the reason that Reed has a "questionable reputation" is that he does not trust the media and is not open to them, in contrast to Rory etc who love the attention. Reed could have handled the situation better, but didn't break the rules. It seems to me like he mostly needs to get more media savvy and realise how things will be played.
The media hated Faldo for that reason.
If a player is not interested in all the media stuff, they're gonna get that negative reputation if their name's not Tiger Woods.
If a player is not interested in all the media stuff, they're gonna get that negative reputation if their name's not Tiger Woods.
It's not just down to being media savvy. That's not why his fellow professionals on the PGA tour don't like him. Keep thinking.
Reed was very close to the edge on the rules but has been exonerated by the ruling body so I guess we have to accept that. Within the rules yes, within the spirit - questionable! No one seems to have questioned the rules official as, clearly, the ball was not embedded. I think Rory has a question to answer too as his ball also can not have been embedded.
Reed and rory both cheated, as clear as day! Both balls bounced so embedded is out, rory's nestled into long grass, unfortunately these pampered millionaires want it every way now. Long grass is now embedded? Wow someone tell Bryson! He wins every week going forward then.
When told by the ball spotter that she hadn’t seen it bounce, he followed to rules guidance. It is this sort of thing that puts people off golf, he didn’t break any rules and others get their knickers in a twist.
I joined my club in 1992 , back then , you had to wear a tie in the bar after 7pm unless the captain was present and gave permission not to. Utter madness.
I joined my club in 1992 , back then , you had to wear a tie in the bar after 7pm unless the captain was present and gave permission not to. Utter madness.
Not quite clear how the rule about wearing a tie in the bar after 7 pm relates to the rules of golf.
If the "tie in the bar" was one of the club's traditions which identifies it as being a "club" and not just a random collection of people, who are you to say it is "madness"?
So using your logic, it is Fine to call McIlroy a cheat as well?
Reed should be kicked off the tour, this is the 3rd time he has been caught on camera, how many times has he done it when nobody is about
Why don't the authorities introduce something like VAR? That's worked a treat!
His ball was very deeply buried considering it had bounced and given the ball spotter's assurance that it hadn't bounced, Reed probably felt he was safe and genuinely thought it had plugged. The rules official then inspected the lie forensically and declared that the ball was lying in an indentation which meant a free drop (whether it had bounced or not). Reed is more appreciated in the UK.
These was no chance of any roll in that deep rough after a bounce. If it was in an indentation it was probably self-made, second bounce or not. I do think it's a stretch but there only has to be a slight indentation for it to be a plugged ball and the course had been hit by heavy rain and hail, see: https://www.golf-monthly.co.uk/videos/rules/rules-of-golf-plugged-lie
What a time English golf is in and has it ever happened before?
During the course of 3 massive tourneys we have had 4 English Champs.
Westy and Fitzy winning on the same day then Hatton wiping the floor with MclLRoy then Casey giving Bob an almighty beating.
The ball was plugged. Pat Reed did everything right. Verdict - PLAY ON which he did, in great style too.
73 and 15th? LOL
During the course of 3 massive tourneys we have had 4 English Champs.
Westy and Fitzy winning on the same day then Hatton wiping the floor with MclLRoy then Casey giving Bob an almighty beating.
The ball was plugged. Pat Reed did everything right. Verdict - PLAY ON which he did, in great style too.
73 and 15th? LOL
He has a poor "track record" and given a number of pro's felt he was wrong regardless of rules officials statements that is worrying.... why not wait for official to confirm embedded? Then no room for doubt, otherwise the "critics" could say he "created" dent when recovering ball so official would see - how many times does a bounce leave an indent? His fellow pros including Zander felt same!
It was in the rough and as a pro golfer myself, I would accept the consequences and played the ball as it was. I understand the rulings for poor course conditions, but sometimes, making a rule to suit you is poor practice.
Depends on the softness of the ground or if a burrowing animal had disturbed the surface. Both give rise to the possibility
Mcilroy did not even call rule official over when he had sam problem. One rule for everyone
He spent so long kneeling over struggling to make a round impression with his thumb.
Reed has a lot of bottle and unlike Mcilroy thrives under pressure. There has however been far too many cases of dodgy behaviour from Reed for there to be nothing in it. It first came to the attention of the golf authorities while he was at college, when even his own teammates called him out for cheating.
What a time English golf is in and has it ever happened before?
During the course of 3 massive tourneys we have had 4 English Champs.
Westy and Fitzy winning on the same day then Hatton wiping the floor with MclLRoy then Casey giving Bob an almighty beating.
The ball was plugged. Pat Reed did everything right. Verdict - PLAY ON which he did, in great style too.
73 and 15th? LOL
During the course of 3 massive tourneys we have had 4 English Champs.
Westy and Fitzy winning on the same day then Hatton wiping the floor with MclLRoy then Casey giving Bob an almighty beating.
The ball was plugged. Pat Reed did everything right. Verdict - PLAY ON which he did, in great style too.
73 and 15th? LOL
It was palming the ball and not replacing it in the alleged indentation, then placing the ball several feet away! Why not place the ball back where it was and then let official make decision? The fact he moved it means the official may not have been checking Reeds own ball indent! Then to show no remorse/sportsmanship at all when he was shown that it actually BOUNCED FORWARD on impact!!
His ball was very deeply buried considering it had bounced and given the ball spotter's assurance that it hadn't bounced, Reed probably felt he was safe and genuinely thought it had plugged. The rules official then inspected the lie forensically and declared that the ball was lying in an indentation which meant a free drop (whether it had bounced or not). Reed is more appreciated in the UK.