Covid-19: 'Traumatised' hospital staff need time to recover
01/02/2021 | news | health | 176
Many staff could resign if they are rushed into tackling the NHS backlog, hospitals in England warn.
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01/02/2021 10:02:54 18 8
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Waiting for all the "if you can't handle death you shouldn't be working in the NHS" comments. Apparently only cold, unfeeling machines are allowed to work in care...
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01/02/2021 10:20:05 13 7
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Well you didn't have to wait long as you posted it first.
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01/02/2021 10:37:02 7 9
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And yet ultimately, they all volunteered to do the job.

I appreciate that this has been difficult (and unforseen) but its a bit like signing up to the Army and being upset that you got sent to fight in a war/conflict.
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01/02/2021 11:23:10 2 2
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There is a big difference between acting in a caring way, faking concern, being kind to others, and actually letting it bother you. It is a very modern fad, the 'Diana effect' alongside the roadside flower littering any strangers death. Normal people go oh dear x died, on with life with a shrug. Overhyped, over display fake emoting behaviours of media age. Actually goes with the pretence of 'hate'
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01/02/2021 11:48:17 7 0
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The current level of death in hospital where the dying cannot even be soothed by their families is not normal and many will leave the profession as they don't think they could go through it all again. Stay home - protect the NHS. It's not much to ask.
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02/02/2021 10:23:13 1 0
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MyBrother in Law in the NHS 30 plus years, a Nurse Practitioner mainly in A&E 20 plus years so seen some real horrors.

Drafted over to Covid Triage & ICU in March & even He has been affected. He said watching the way people died from Covid was the worst experience of his life & its still with him.

Now imagine what its like for younger ICU Nurses & Doctors.

Its a real issue. Don't be fooled.
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01/02/2021 10:13:02 2 6
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Not going to get on the backlog if the government pursue their vaccines only/herd immunity strategy.
To date 10% of the population have had SARS-Cov-2 (roughly the same proportion of people who’ll be susceptible with current Vaccine efficacy).
Vaccines + return to normal = indefinite current deaths & demand on NHS (it’s already clear we’ll need an annual vaccination programme).
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01/02/2021 10:43:41 9 0
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"Vaccines + return to normal = indefinite current deaths"

Indefinite deaths will happen anyway, that's just life. Honestly - a 10% chance of *being susceptible* (notably not even necessarily suffering in any way) is miles better than indefinite lockdown.
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01/02/2021 10:02:54 18 8
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Waiting for all the "if you can't handle death you shouldn't be working in the NHS" comments. Apparently only cold, unfeeling machines are allowed to work in care...
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01/02/2021 10:20:05 13 7
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Well you didn't have to wait long as you posted it first.
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01/02/2021 12:27:59 4 1
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arcangel is 100% correct.
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01/02/2021 10:25:46 3 6
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Blimey - our NHS heroes?
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01/02/2021 12:34:38 1 0
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Aren't claps cheap . . .
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01/02/2021 10:29:26 1 10
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More has to be done to get covid patient better. where is the monoclonal antibody drug wonder? it costs less than having people in hospital so why not used more often and earlier in vulnerable people?
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01/02/2021 10:43:04 10 1
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There is no such thing as "the monoclonal antibody drug wonder". No such thing has been developed, and will most likely never be. It's a lot harder than people realise, if not impossible, to develop monoclonal antibodies to target viruses without damaging body cells.
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01/02/2021 10:29:49 38 5
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To be brutally honest, those with severe dementia and other conditions that seriously compromised the quality of their life should never have been sent to ICU. They should have received hospice care. This would have been much kinder to them, and significantly reduced the strain on NHS staff.

And before I'm criticised, I had to make such a decision when my mother suffered a massive stroke.
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01/02/2021 10:53:34 32 3
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Unfortunately people aren't prepared to reasonably discuss the issue you raise, its too fundemental and a taboo subject for the media. You have my sympathy and respect for writing your comment.
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01/02/2021 11:32:53 3 0
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They never get sent to ICU. I don't know why you're spreading this misinformation. The people escalated to ICU are usually in the 40 -70
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01/02/2021 15:33:51 3 0
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Hospice care is provided through the government and charities, it receives about a third of its income from the UK government and the rest from the public through charities, donation and fund raisers. (www.hospiceinfo.org)

Many charities have suffered from a severe shortage of donations during pandemic
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01/02/2021 16:16:28 6 0
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I'd go much further. At present, when you're approaching end of life, you have 2 choices:

1. Stay alive until you die of natural causes, often in pain that cannot be relieved
2. Starve/dehydrate yourself to death by refusing food and water.

My beloved cat had a much gentler end - a 3 part set of injections that gradually put him into a deep sleep before dying.

Why must humans be tortured?
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02/02/2021 03:51:32 2 0
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For many being admitted to a care home when seriously ill is an acceptance that they are waiting to be taken when the illness is good and ready to finish the job.

The British population should have the guts to at least consider giving everyone in this situation the the choice to leave this world at a point of their own choosing.
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02/02/2021 13:34:49 1 0
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My Mother had a double stroke and if it wasn't for the the NHS and a Morrocan Consultant that spotted the incredibly rare stroke she had, the equal brilliance of NH staff that allowed her to recover almost fully, our family would not have had the extra 2 years extra before she died last October.

I really really sympathise with you on your decision, but its rarely a black & white situation.
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01/02/2021 10:02:54 18 8
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Waiting for all the "if you can't handle death you shouldn't be working in the NHS" comments. Apparently only cold, unfeeling machines are allowed to work in care...
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01/02/2021 10:37:02 7 9
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And yet ultimately, they all volunteered to do the job.

I appreciate that this has been difficult (and unforseen) but its a bit like signing up to the Army and being upset that you got sent to fight in a war/conflict.
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01/02/2021 10:43:49 8 5
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Ah so PTSD is the persons fault, i suppose you think the army should just wash its hands of anyone experiencing trauma?
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01/02/2021 10:40:53 23 5
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This has been a problem in the NHS for a long time now - overworked staff, poor funding and poor mental health support. Now the pandemic has brought these issues to light, hopefully something can be done about them.
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01/02/2021 15:08:47 6 1
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That would be so good, but I doubt it given the Tory track record. They ignored the report on Operation Cygnus in 2016 which showed we were very ill-equipped for a pandemic. They were too busy frothing hatred at Europe and anticipating their own subsequent wealth. I do not think even this will change the nature of the beast that is Parliament.
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01/02/2021 10:29:26 1 10
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More has to be done to get covid patient better. where is the monoclonal antibody drug wonder? it costs less than having people in hospital so why not used more often and earlier in vulnerable people?
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01/02/2021 10:43:04 10 1
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There is no such thing as "the monoclonal antibody drug wonder". No such thing has been developed, and will most likely never be. It's a lot harder than people realise, if not impossible, to develop monoclonal antibodies to target viruses without damaging body cells.
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01/02/2021 11:54:11 1 2
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Inovio Pharmaceuticals with there dMAbs would tend to disagree with you
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01/02/2021 10:13:02 2 6
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Not going to get on the backlog if the government pursue their vaccines only/herd immunity strategy.
To date 10% of the population have had SARS-Cov-2 (roughly the same proportion of people who’ll be susceptible with current Vaccine efficacy).
Vaccines + return to normal = indefinite current deaths & demand on NHS (it’s already clear we’ll need an annual vaccination programme).
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01/02/2021 10:43:41 9 0
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"Vaccines + return to normal = indefinite current deaths"

Indefinite deaths will happen anyway, that's just life. Honestly - a 10% chance of *being susceptible* (notably not even necessarily suffering in any way) is miles better than indefinite lockdown.
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01/02/2021 12:04:46 0 0
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Is it? How?
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01/02/2021 10:37:02 7 9
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And yet ultimately, they all volunteered to do the job.

I appreciate that this has been difficult (and unforseen) but its a bit like signing up to the Army and being upset that you got sent to fight in a war/conflict.
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01/02/2021 10:43:49 8 5
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Ah so PTSD is the persons fault, i suppose you think the army should just wash its hands of anyone experiencing trauma?
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OwO
01/02/2021 10:44:47 5 7
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No, but if you sign up expecting it to be a social club then that's on you.
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01/02/2021 10:56:07 2 6
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Not what i said at all. It was in response to your comment that said; "Waiting for all the "if you can't handle death you shouldn't be working in the NHS" comments."

My point is not that they don't need support, but that witnessing death is an occupational hazard.

Try again Comrade.
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01/02/2021 10:43:49 8 5
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Ah so PTSD is the persons fault, i suppose you think the army should just wash its hands of anyone experiencing trauma?
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OwO
01/02/2021 10:44:47 5 7
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No, but if you sign up expecting it to be a social club then that's on you.
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Bob
01/02/2021 10:49:47 25 8
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Like everything else in this godforsaken, me-me-me first country, when all is finished NOTHING will be done. Troops fight to defend us - then thrown on the scrapheap, firemen save us - then thrown on the scrapheap, NHS staff treat us - then thrown on the scrapheap. The only ones who are not discarded are crooked politicians, bankers and business bigwigs.
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01/02/2021 10:52:30 12 14
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And yet millions risk life and limb to get here!

Passing through numerous EU countries to do so !!
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01/02/2021 11:29:34 4 5
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I'd certainly rather be here than any European country.
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01/02/2021 11:39:53 4 6
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Bob, I know it is Monday morning, but, 'godforsaken'? This country is leading the world out of this pandemic! The government has had the foresight to provide everyone with the opportunity of a vaccination. Wake up and smell the coffee.
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01/02/2021 15:15:21 0 0
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And it has ever been thus under our ruling class. Go back to 1700s and say "Our navy defended us and then, when superfluous and a logistical burden, were kept afloat locked on board ships whilst they starved and died of plague.
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01/02/2021 10:49:47 25 8
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Like everything else in this godforsaken, me-me-me first country, when all is finished NOTHING will be done. Troops fight to defend us - then thrown on the scrapheap, firemen save us - then thrown on the scrapheap, NHS staff treat us - then thrown on the scrapheap. The only ones who are not discarded are crooked politicians, bankers and business bigwigs.
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01/02/2021 10:52:30 12 14
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And yet millions risk life and limb to get here!

Passing through numerous EU countries to do so !!
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01/02/2021 12:28:59 2 3
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silli billi
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01/02/2021 14:46:36 3 3
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You have forgotten the British Empire (formerly English Overseas Possessions) when the "British" went overseas and stole land and territory. Then it taught the conquered peoples to speak English. And now these conquered peoples are coming to Britain....because they speak English, not German or French.

Its a case of "hoisted by your own petard".
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01/02/2021 20:59:11 0 3
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Well the EU vaccine programme is a complete joke, so no wonder people prefer the uk, legal or illegal immigrants.
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01/02/2021 10:29:49 38 5
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To be brutally honest, those with severe dementia and other conditions that seriously compromised the quality of their life should never have been sent to ICU. They should have received hospice care. This would have been much kinder to them, and significantly reduced the strain on NHS staff.

And before I'm criticised, I had to make such a decision when my mother suffered a massive stroke.
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01/02/2021 10:53:34 32 3
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Unfortunately people aren't prepared to reasonably discuss the issue you raise, its too fundemental and a taboo subject for the media. You have my sympathy and respect for writing your comment.
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01/02/2021 14:33:14 3 0
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Its a difficult topic as what you are alluding to could be considered as euthanasia which is illegal here and yet it is exactly what palliative care is

While getting COVID at an old age is bad, it doesnt guarantee death so to push them on that path seems a little unethical without consent.

its an ethical and moral nightmare and i dont think we will ever have a clear path out of that debate
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01/02/2021 10:43:49 8 5
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Ah so PTSD is the persons fault, i suppose you think the army should just wash its hands of anyone experiencing trauma?
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01/02/2021 10:56:07 2 6
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Not what i said at all. It was in response to your comment that said; "Waiting for all the "if you can't handle death you shouldn't be working in the NHS" comments."

My point is not that they don't need support, but that witnessing death is an occupational hazard.

Try again Comrade.
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01/02/2021 14:38:33 5 0
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Funny that you think you are insulting me by calling me comrade when you are discussing one of britains most socialist policies...
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02/02/2021 10:39:34 1 0
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You've absolutely no idea or appreciation of what its like as a Nurse or Doctor have you.

The 'try again comrade' comment is unnecessary & frankly verges on the psychopathic
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01/02/2021 11:10:52 6 9
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Complete nonsense. Why are people made out to be so pathetic these days? It’s their job. You do it, you have days off each week. You get on with things

To be fair it is usually some bunch of idiots making up this drivel of mental health on behalf of others but really as self promotion of their daft little non job in a useless paper shuffling fake job on high pay for doing nothing. Not the workers
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01/02/2021 11:18:42 7 5
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"Talk to any NHS manager, doctor, nurse or other member of frontline staff..."

I take it that you haven't.
You should be angry at the government for your own low pay, not angry at those actually doing something beneficial to society for their pay being higher than yours.

And you appear to have an undiagnosed mental illness yourself, at a guess either depression, psycopathy, or sociopathy, seeing as you appear to be so incapable of empathy
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01/02/2021 11:11:35 18 5
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I just hope that the government recognises nurses and junior doctors in the pay packet when this pandemic subsides.
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01/02/2021 11:27:05 9 16
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Absolutely not. They are very well paid and money is not relevant to them just doing the job they chose. This daft attitude of handing out ever more money to the 'poor kittens' emotional blackmail areas has to be grown up out of. Keeping your sewers working is more important but does not have the pathetic emoting value!
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01/02/2021 11:35:02 4 8
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If they joind the NHS for the money, then they're in the wrong job. I'm fairly sure that payscales must have been made available to them prior to their acceptance of the role and that they were already well aware of the percieved 'injustice' they would inherit?
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01/02/2021 11:53:44 6 1
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Agreed, this is the very least they can do. Its a shame the tory trolls are downvoting you and supplying bigoted replies.
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01/02/2021 11:15:22 6 5
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It is a big bang on a shortening fuse. If the people on the front line start to crash and burn so to speak then eventually the services themselves will crash and burn. Everyone has a personal breaking point and for many that is approaching fast and they see no end in sight, therefore they are thinking about putting themselves first.
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01/02/2021 11:10:52 6 9
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Complete nonsense. Why are people made out to be so pathetic these days? It’s their job. You do it, you have days off each week. You get on with things

To be fair it is usually some bunch of idiots making up this drivel of mental health on behalf of others but really as self promotion of their daft little non job in a useless paper shuffling fake job on high pay for doing nothing. Not the workers
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01/02/2021 11:18:42 7 5
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"Talk to any NHS manager, doctor, nurse or other member of frontline staff..."

I take it that you haven't.
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01/02/2021 11:22:36 10 13
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It would help if we didn't provide free health service to rest of world !!
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01/02/2021 11:30:34 11 9
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Congratulations. It's basic people like you that have resulted in the mess the UK is today - in the economy, Brexit, and populist idiocy
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01/02/2021 11:51:46 4 3
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Explain how we provide health care to the rest of the world? Show the data, not your ill-conceived opinions.
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01/02/2021 12:29:27 0 3
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Dump you for starters pal.
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01/02/2021 10:02:54 18 8
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Waiting for all the "if you can't handle death you shouldn't be working in the NHS" comments. Apparently only cold, unfeeling machines are allowed to work in care...
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01/02/2021 11:23:10 2 2
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There is a big difference between acting in a caring way, faking concern, being kind to others, and actually letting it bother you. It is a very modern fad, the 'Diana effect' alongside the roadside flower littering any strangers death. Normal people go oh dear x died, on with life with a shrug. Overhyped, over display fake emoting behaviours of media age. Actually goes with the pretence of 'hate'
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01/02/2021 14:53:54 4 0
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"Normal people go oh dear x died, on with life with a shrug. Overhyped, over display fake emoting behaviours of media age. Actually goes with the pretence of 'hate'"

What the actual hell are you on about?

most people do not shrug at death, particularly if it happens in front of them or if you know the person. have you ever seen a person die, did it affect you?
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01/02/2021 11:11:35 18 5
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I just hope that the government recognises nurses and junior doctors in the pay packet when this pandemic subsides.
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01/02/2021 11:27:05 9 16
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Absolutely not. They are very well paid and money is not relevant to them just doing the job they chose. This daft attitude of handing out ever more money to the 'poor kittens' emotional blackmail areas has to be grown up out of. Keeping your sewers working is more important but does not have the pathetic emoting value!
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01/02/2021 11:54:49 5 2
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Money is not relevent to the job? How detached from reality has the daily mail and the torygraph made you?! Stop swallowing the kool aid.
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01/02/2021 12:03:17 8 2
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It's ok. James wants to be treated at his local sewage works when he contracts covid
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01/02/2021 12:03:47 8 2
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Average (median) UK annual salary is £31,461. A nurse starts on £24,907 (after having to compete a 3 year degree). Please define “very well-paid” for me because most graduates will start on significantly more than that. I also think the term “pathetic emotional value” when talking about saving human lives says it all about your comment really.
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01/02/2021 12:28:32 1 3
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bupa dupa doo - mr happy's in town.
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01/02/2021 15:48:27 1 1
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Oh they chose it so it's all alright?
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01/02/2021 21:04:35 1 1
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Hope you never need the nhs, get a grip and open your eyes!!
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01/02/2021 11:27:01 9 13
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So NHS 'heroes' are feeling overworked, stressed, and worn out?

Well guys, welcome to the world the rest of us live in.
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01/02/2021 11:33:28 3 7
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Bit selective !

Could resign !!
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01/02/2021 11:34:40 4 3
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What do you Biffo? Play WoW in your mother's basement? I'd like to see you handle anything near as stressful as covid-19
You come across as a snivelling child incapable of empathy. You would be incapable of putting up with one day of working frontline NHS. You soft-skinned wet faced brat. Removed
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02/02/2021 13:12:35 1 0
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So Biffo.

What do you do that involves life or death decisions and watching helplessly as people you try to save die in many cases horribly as thier lungs fill with fluid & turn into playdough?

Go on please tell us all.
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01/02/2021 11:22:36 10 13
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It would help if we didn't provide free health service to rest of world !!
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01/02/2021 11:30:34 11 9
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Congratulations. It's basic people like you that have resulted in the mess the UK is today - in the economy, Brexit, and populist idiocy
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01/02/2021 11:36:48 3 2
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Basic people?

Lke those who gave Boris his 80-majority? Especially those core ex-Labour voters ??
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01/02/2021 10:29:49 38 5
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To be brutally honest, those with severe dementia and other conditions that seriously compromised the quality of their life should never have been sent to ICU. They should have received hospice care. This would have been much kinder to them, and significantly reduced the strain on NHS staff.

And before I'm criticised, I had to make such a decision when my mother suffered a massive stroke.
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01/02/2021 11:32:53 3 0
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They never get sent to ICU. I don't know why you're spreading this misinformation. The people escalated to ICU are usually in the 40 -70
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01/02/2021 11:27:01 9 13
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So NHS 'heroes' are feeling overworked, stressed, and worn out?

Well guys, welcome to the world the rest of us live in.
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01/02/2021 11:33:28 3 7
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Bit selective !

Could resign !!
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01/02/2021 11:27:01 9 13
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So NHS 'heroes' are feeling overworked, stressed, and worn out?

Well guys, welcome to the world the rest of us live in.
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01/02/2021 11:34:40 4 3
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What do you Biffo? Play WoW in your mother's basement? I'd like to see you handle anything near as stressful as covid-19
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Bob
01/02/2021 10:49:47 25 8
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Like everything else in this godforsaken, me-me-me first country, when all is finished NOTHING will be done. Troops fight to defend us - then thrown on the scrapheap, firemen save us - then thrown on the scrapheap, NHS staff treat us - then thrown on the scrapheap. The only ones who are not discarded are crooked politicians, bankers and business bigwigs.
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01/02/2021 11:29:34 4 5
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I'd certainly rather be here than any European country.
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01/02/2021 12:10:25 1 3
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Im sure the european countries feeo the same.
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02/02/2021 10:09:49 2 0
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What, those European countries with their lower death rates, better health care & more freedoms?

Before you arbitrarily mark this comment down, do a bit of digging.
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01/02/2021 11:31:08 6 8
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Cases down 29% on Sunday compared with previous Sunday. Continues dramatic downward trend that started 9th Jan.

5,433 less hospital admissions over last 7 day period (to 27th Jan). Admissions on definite downward trend.

Deaths down 3.75% compared with last Sunday. Definite downward trend.

I hope the BBC now regret censoring my post on the 22nd Jan.

Remember BBC motto: good news is not news
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01/02/2021 11:47:34 9 5
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How do these statistics help the NHS staff nearing burnout?
And the BBC only removes comments flagged by users. Its not the BBC censoring you, its fellow commenters.
People just dont like you.
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01/02/2021 12:44:20 1 3
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It would be interesting to know what part of my above post was worthy of a down-tick. Could it be that some BBC fans are upset by the motto? Can't be anything else.
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01/02/2021 11:35:25 11 9
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Perhaps we could ask the politicians who oversaw 10 years of austerity where we would be had the NHS not entered this pandemic short of 100,000 vacancies ???
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01/02/2021 11:44:19 8 5
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Blimey it's one of the biggest employers in the world- as it is !

Get rid of the paper shufflers etc that number so many in public organisations !
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01/02/2021 11:30:34 11 9
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Congratulations. It's basic people like you that have resulted in the mess the UK is today - in the economy, Brexit, and populist idiocy
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01/02/2021 11:36:48 3 2
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Basic people?

Lke those who gave Boris his 80-majority? Especially those core ex-Labour voters ??
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01/02/2021 11:47:00 2 2
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It's guess-your-age time! I'm going for 50 - 65. Am I right??
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01/02/2021 11:11:35 18 5
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I just hope that the government recognises nurses and junior doctors in the pay packet when this pandemic subsides.
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01/02/2021 11:35:02 4 8
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If they joind the NHS for the money, then they're in the wrong job. I'm fairly sure that payscales must have been made available to them prior to their acceptance of the role and that they were already well aware of the percieved 'injustice' they would inherit?
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01/02/2021 11:57:56 7 6
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The pay scales that the tories stripped back in ten years of austerity, you mean? The forecasted pay rises that got canned by the tories, you mean?
And where atthe point of recruitment was it mentioned we would experience a pandemic, overseen by the most incapable of governments?
Do you understand context? Or does the daily mail not provide that?
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01/02/2021 15:40:17 1 0
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I believe most doctors and nurses joined the NHS because they wanted to help people - a vocation, not just a job.
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Bob
01/02/2021 10:49:47 25 8
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Like everything else in this godforsaken, me-me-me first country, when all is finished NOTHING will be done. Troops fight to defend us - then thrown on the scrapheap, firemen save us - then thrown on the scrapheap, NHS staff treat us - then thrown on the scrapheap. The only ones who are not discarded are crooked politicians, bankers and business bigwigs.
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01/02/2021 11:39:53 4 6
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Bob, I know it is Monday morning, but, 'godforsaken'? This country is leading the world out of this pandemic! The government has had the foresight to provide everyone with the opportunity of a vaccination. Wake up and smell the coffee.
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01/02/2021 12:02:50 5 1
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Its certainly leading the world in something - deaths per million last month.
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01/02/2021 12:05:29 4 2
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Part of the problem is this jingoistic 'world beating' twaddle - a worldwide problem is not about willy-waving.
The UK has done quite badly at some aspects of Covid and extremely well at others, especially vaccine procurement. But the US in fact has more vaccines per head lined up than we do.
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01/02/2021 11:35:25 11 9
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Perhaps we could ask the politicians who oversaw 10 years of austerity where we would be had the NHS not entered this pandemic short of 100,000 vacancies ???
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01/02/2021 11:44:19 8 5
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Blimey it's one of the biggest employers in the world- as it is !

Get rid of the paper shufflers etc that number so many in public organisations !
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01/02/2021 12:20:36 3 3
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I'd agree there is 'waste' within the system.....but it is Govt that oversees such waste. Still doesn't negate the argument about austerity and a recruitment issue.....
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01/02/2021 12:35:29 0 1
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Another caring con.
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02/02/2021 11:42:14 1 0
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You & Blackpud are talking rubbish

Can't equate the NHS as a unit with other countries multiple health systems. The NHS has lower staffing/capita than the majority of developed countries.

As for Waste/Management the NHS is rated one of the most efficient. We spend half of the EU average PP.

Below is from 2019 based on ONS data if you can read.

https://www.bmj.com/content/367/bmj.l6326
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01/02/2021 11:36:48 3 2
bbc
Basic people?

Lke those who gave Boris his 80-majority? Especially those core ex-Labour voters ??
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01/02/2021 11:47:00 2 2
bbc
It's guess-your-age time! I'm going for 50 - 65. Am I right??
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01/02/2021 11:47:12 10 9
bbc
To keep my business afloat and my staff employed I have been working long hours and six days a weeks since Feb last year and still no light at the end of the tunnel, we could all say we are stressed.
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01/02/2021 12:03:08 13 7
bbc
Hardly the same is it
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01/02/2021 12:34:13 0 4
bbc
Try it and find out.
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02/02/2021 00:37:35 1 0
bbc
Whilst your efforts for your business and staff are to be lauded please don't confuse that with what frontline workers & most particularly the NHS have been, & continue to go through, there's little comparison & frankly just comes across as being offensive. For goodness sake have a heart.
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01/02/2021 11:31:08 6 8
bbc
Cases down 29% on Sunday compared with previous Sunday. Continues dramatic downward trend that started 9th Jan.

5,433 less hospital admissions over last 7 day period (to 27th Jan). Admissions on definite downward trend.

Deaths down 3.75% compared with last Sunday. Definite downward trend.

I hope the BBC now regret censoring my post on the 22nd Jan.

Remember BBC motto: good news is not news
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01/02/2021 11:47:34 9 5
bbc
How do these statistics help the NHS staff nearing burnout?
And the BBC only removes comments flagged by users. Its not the BBC censoring you, its fellow commenters.
People just dont like you.
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01/02/2021 12:48:11 1 2
bbc
Richy, How enlightening lol. I can ensure you that it is the BBC moderators who are responsible for the censoring of my posts. I have been in conversation with them.

As for 'how do these stats...?' They are a statement of fact and show how things are improving (for all of us, not just the NHS). If you do not like this good news perhaps you could tell us what you do like.
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01/02/2021 10:02:54 18 8
bbc
Waiting for all the "if you can't handle death you shouldn't be working in the NHS" comments. Apparently only cold, unfeeling machines are allowed to work in care...
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01/02/2021 11:48:17 7 0
bbc
The current level of death in hospital where the dying cannot even be soothed by their families is not normal and many will leave the profession as they don't think they could go through it all again. Stay home - protect the NHS. It's not much to ask.
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01/02/2021 11:27:01 9 13
bbc
So NHS 'heroes' are feeling overworked, stressed, and worn out?

Well guys, welcome to the world the rest of us live in.
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You come across as a snivelling child incapable of empathy. You would be incapable of putting up with one day of working frontline NHS. You soft-skinned wet faced brat. Removed
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01/02/2021 11:22:36 10 13
bbc
It would help if we didn't provide free health service to rest of world !!
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01/02/2021 11:51:46 4 3
bbc
Explain how we provide health care to the rest of the world? Show the data, not your ill-conceived opinions.
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01/02/2021 12:18:40 1 3
bbc
I get around! Do you ?
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01/02/2021 11:11:35 18 5
bbc
I just hope that the government recognises nurses and junior doctors in the pay packet when this pandemic subsides.
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01/02/2021 11:53:44 6 1
bbc
Agreed, this is the very least they can do. Its a shame the tory trolls are downvoting you and supplying bigoted replies.
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01/02/2021 10:43:04 10 1
bbc
There is no such thing as "the monoclonal antibody drug wonder". No such thing has been developed, and will most likely never be. It's a lot harder than people realise, if not impossible, to develop monoclonal antibodies to target viruses without damaging body cells.
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01/02/2021 11:54:11 1 2
bbc
Inovio Pharmaceuticals with there dMAbs would tend to disagree with you
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02/02/2021 14:00:35 0 0
bbc
The criticism by Tobiwan was for the terminology ' antibody drug wonder' which is I agree is nonsense.

Its basically an engineered DNA vaccine so on similar lines to others and clearly not some sort of totally innovative approach as maria intimated.

Its in late stage trials apparently, so fingers crossed another one for the armoury.
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01/02/2021 11:27:05 9 16
bbc
Absolutely not. They are very well paid and money is not relevant to them just doing the job they chose. This daft attitude of handing out ever more money to the 'poor kittens' emotional blackmail areas has to be grown up out of. Keeping your sewers working is more important but does not have the pathetic emoting value!
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01/02/2021 11:54:49 5 2
bbc
Money is not relevent to the job? How detached from reality has the daily mail and the torygraph made you?! Stop swallowing the kool aid.
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01/02/2021 11:35:02 4 8
bbc
If they joind the NHS for the money, then they're in the wrong job. I'm fairly sure that payscales must have been made available to them prior to their acceptance of the role and that they were already well aware of the percieved 'injustice' they would inherit?
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01/02/2021 11:57:56 7 6
bbc
The pay scales that the tories stripped back in ten years of austerity, you mean? The forecasted pay rises that got canned by the tories, you mean?
And where atthe point of recruitment was it mentioned we would experience a pandemic, overseen by the most incapable of governments?
Do you understand context? Or does the daily mail not provide that?
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01/02/2021 12:06:39 6 2
bbc
It's clear the DM is saturated and the mindless hoards are flocking to BBC..
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01/02/2021 11:10:52 6 9
bbc
Complete nonsense. Why are people made out to be so pathetic these days? It’s their job. You do it, you have days off each week. You get on with things

To be fair it is usually some bunch of idiots making up this drivel of mental health on behalf of others but really as self promotion of their daft little non job in a useless paper shuffling fake job on high pay for doing nothing. Not the workers
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bbc
You should be angry at the government for your own low pay, not angry at those actually doing something beneficial to society for their pay being higher than yours.

And you appear to have an undiagnosed mental illness yourself, at a guess either depression, psycopathy, or sociopathy, seeing as you appear to be so incapable of empathy
Removed
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01/02/2021 11:39:53 4 6
bbc
Bob, I know it is Monday morning, but, 'godforsaken'? This country is leading the world out of this pandemic! The government has had the foresight to provide everyone with the opportunity of a vaccination. Wake up and smell the coffee.
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01/02/2021 12:02:50 5 1
bbc
Its certainly leading the world in something - deaths per million last month.
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01/02/2021 11:47:12 10 9
bbc
To keep my business afloat and my staff employed I have been working long hours and six days a weeks since Feb last year and still no light at the end of the tunnel, we could all say we are stressed.
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01/02/2021 12:03:08 13 7
bbc
Hardly the same is it
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01/02/2021 11:27:05 9 16
bbc
Absolutely not. They are very well paid and money is not relevant to them just doing the job they chose. This daft attitude of handing out ever more money to the 'poor kittens' emotional blackmail areas has to be grown up out of. Keeping your sewers working is more important but does not have the pathetic emoting value!
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01/02/2021 12:03:17 8 2
bbc
It's ok. James wants to be treated at his local sewage works when he contracts covid
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OwO
01/02/2021 10:43:41 9 0
bbc
"Vaccines + return to normal = indefinite current deaths"

Indefinite deaths will happen anyway, that's just life. Honestly - a 10% chance of *being susceptible* (notably not even necessarily suffering in any way) is miles better than indefinite lockdown.
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01/02/2021 12:04:46 0 0
bbc
Is it? How?
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01/02/2021 11:27:05 9 16
bbc
Absolutely not. They are very well paid and money is not relevant to them just doing the job they chose. This daft attitude of handing out ever more money to the 'poor kittens' emotional blackmail areas has to be grown up out of. Keeping your sewers working is more important but does not have the pathetic emoting value!
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01/02/2021 12:03:47 8 2
bbc
Average (median) UK annual salary is £31,461. A nurse starts on £24,907 (after having to compete a 3 year degree). Please define “very well-paid” for me because most graduates will start on significantly more than that. I also think the term “pathetic emotional value” when talking about saving human lives says it all about your comment really.
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01/02/2021 16:35:53 2 2
bbc
"Please define “very well-paid” for me because most graduates will start on significantly more than that."

Actually not. See some actual data below. Even Mechanical Engineering, long touted as a route to success, starts at £26,937, not hugely more than the nurse's salary you quoted.

https://www.savethestudent.org/student-jobs/whats-the-expected-salary-for-your-degree.html#table
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01/02/2021 11:39:53 4 6
bbc
Bob, I know it is Monday morning, but, 'godforsaken'? This country is leading the world out of this pandemic! The government has had the foresight to provide everyone with the opportunity of a vaccination. Wake up and smell the coffee.
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01/02/2021 12:05:29 4 2
bbc
Part of the problem is this jingoistic 'world beating' twaddle - a worldwide problem is not about willy-waving.
The UK has done quite badly at some aspects of Covid and extremely well at others, especially vaccine procurement. But the US in fact has more vaccines per head lined up than we do.
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01/02/2021 11:57:56 7 6
bbc
The pay scales that the tories stripped back in ten years of austerity, you mean? The forecasted pay rises that got canned by the tories, you mean?
And where atthe point of recruitment was it mentioned we would experience a pandemic, overseen by the most incapable of governments?
Do you understand context? Or does the daily mail not provide that?
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01/02/2021 12:06:39 6 2
bbc
It's clear the DM is saturated and the mindless hoards are flocking to BBC..
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01/02/2021 12:33:33 0 1
bbc
Well done, you've just re-defined Irony
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01/02/2021 11:29:34 4 5
bbc
I'd certainly rather be here than any European country.
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01/02/2021 12:10:25 1 3
bbc
Im sure the european countries feeo the same.
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01/02/2021 11:51:46 4 3
bbc
Explain how we provide health care to the rest of the world? Show the data, not your ill-conceived opinions.
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01/02/2021 12:18:40 1 3
bbc
I get around! Do you ?
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01/02/2021 12:20:19 3 1
bbc
Give the man an award. A true intellectual. The UK is in good hands.
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01/02/2021 14:36:54 0 0
bbc
So, no evidence, just your ill informed opinion. You know what they call people who have opinions that are different to the facts?
Wrong.
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01/02/2021 12:20:15 1 4
bbc
Have any of the frontline staff being shielded because of vulnerability caused by obessity lost any weight in order to return ?
bit harsh leaving it all to your colleagues
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01/02/2021 12:34:33 5 0
bbc
Meanwhile the Bankers, Foreign Exchange Traders, Asset Manager, Equity Analyst, Hedge fund managers and the like are all safely working from home on big bucks... I see no one criticising them?
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01/02/2021 12:34:59 1 3
bbc
Drop dead.
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01/02/2021 12:18:40 1 3
bbc
I get around! Do you ?
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01/02/2021 12:20:19 3 1
bbc
Give the man an award. A true intellectual. The UK is in good hands.
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01/02/2021 14:44:20 0 1
bbc
Much better than so-called experts !
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01/02/2021 11:44:19 8 5
bbc
Blimey it's one of the biggest employers in the world- as it is !

Get rid of the paper shufflers etc that number so many in public organisations !
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01/02/2021 12:20:36 3 3
bbc
I'd agree there is 'waste' within the system.....but it is Govt that oversees such waste. Still doesn't negate the argument about austerity and a recruitment issue.....
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01/02/2021 12:20:51 10 1
bbc
An ICU shift leader nurse I know said the PPE concentration she has to maintain, & the acute illness being so quick, is the difference.
In her opinion, it's fear of contamination, & keeping an eye on each other's awareness, which is the added cumulative exhaustion factor, in what was already a very stressful job. Colleagues getting C-19 has led to many double shifts too. They're all exhausted!
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01/02/2021 12:26:55 5 6
bbc
The repayment to tory-party donors as a first response to covid sickens most people.
Taxpayer's money at a cost of many lives.

Conservatives vote down protections for NHS in trade deals on deadliest day in pandemic.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/tories-vote-down-protections-for-nhs-in-trade-deals-on-deadliest-day-in-pandemic/19/01/

'caring cons'.
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01/02/2021 12:42:12 3 1
bbc
The London Economic? That would be the micro-circulation digital offering owned by the venture capitalist, African oil extractor and enthusiastic planet-vandal David Sefton?
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01/02/2021 10:20:05 13 7
bbc
Well you didn't have to wait long as you posted it first.
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01/02/2021 12:27:59 4 1
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arcangel is 100% correct.
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01/02/2021 11:27:05 9 16
bbc
Absolutely not. They are very well paid and money is not relevant to them just doing the job they chose. This daft attitude of handing out ever more money to the 'poor kittens' emotional blackmail areas has to be grown up out of. Keeping your sewers working is more important but does not have the pathetic emoting value!
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01/02/2021 12:28:32 1 3
bbc
bupa dupa doo - mr happy's in town.
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01/02/2021 10:52:30 12 14
bbc
And yet millions risk life and limb to get here!

Passing through numerous EU countries to do so !!
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01/02/2021 12:28:59 2 3
bbc
silli billi
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01/02/2021 13:19:06 2 2
bbc
Any answer to ther point?

Thought not !
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01/02/2021 11:22:36 10 13
bbc
It would help if we didn't provide free health service to rest of world !!
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01/02/2021 12:29:27 0 3
bbc
Dump you for starters pal.
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01/02/2021 12:20:15 1 4
bbc
Have any of the frontline staff being shielded because of vulnerability caused by obessity lost any weight in order to return ?
bit harsh leaving it all to your colleagues
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01/02/2021 12:34:33 5 0
bbc
Meanwhile the Bankers, Foreign Exchange Traders, Asset Manager, Equity Analyst, Hedge fund managers and the like are all safely working from home on big bucks... I see no one criticising them?
54
01/02/2021 12:06:39 6 2
bbc
It's clear the DM is saturated and the mindless hoards are flocking to BBC..
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01/02/2021 12:33:33 0 1
bbc
Well done, you've just re-defined Irony
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01/02/2021 11:47:12 10 9
bbc
To keep my business afloat and my staff employed I have been working long hours and six days a weeks since Feb last year and still no light at the end of the tunnel, we could all say we are stressed.
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01/02/2021 12:34:13 0 4
bbc
Try it and find out.
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01/02/2021 10:25:46 3 6
bbc
Blimey - our NHS heroes?
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01/02/2021 12:34:38 1 0
bbc
Aren't claps cheap . . .
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01/02/2021 12:20:15 1 4
bbc
Have any of the frontline staff being shielded because of vulnerability caused by obessity lost any weight in order to return ?
bit harsh leaving it all to your colleagues
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01/02/2021 12:34:59 1 3
bbc
Drop dead.
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01/02/2021 11:44:19 8 5
bbc
Blimey it's one of the biggest employers in the world- as it is !

Get rid of the paper shufflers etc that number so many in public organisations !
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01/02/2021 12:35:29 0 1
bbc
Another caring con.
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01/02/2021 13:30:30 0 2
bbc
Do you ever reply to points made?
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01/02/2021 12:37:01 3 5
bbc
The usual rightwing couple knocking our Healthcare.

The tories will privatise it soon enough - no care for most of the population.
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01/02/2021 13:00:21 4 2
bbc
they woudnt dare . the tories would not even see the end of their term. labour bought us the nhs. the public would never vote for the tories again and they know it. not much choice with the other parties even worse. we are in a pickle for sure.
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01/02/2021 12:59:47 3 0
bbc
The great tragedy is that you don't seem to understand that the only way to make the NHS fit for purpose is to privatise it (partially). It better suits your (and many, many others') agendas to ignore this fact and to use the NHS as a political football.

That is hugely more destructive than underfunding it, because it stymies rational debate on the subject.
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01/02/2021 12:26:55 5 6
bbc
The repayment to tory-party donors as a first response to covid sickens most people.
Taxpayer's money at a cost of many lives.

Conservatives vote down protections for NHS in trade deals on deadliest day in pandemic.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/tories-vote-down-protections-for-nhs-in-trade-deals-on-deadliest-day-in-pandemic/19/01/

'caring cons'.
73
01/02/2021 12:42:12 3 1
bbc
The London Economic? That would be the micro-circulation digital offering owned by the venture capitalist, African oil extractor and enthusiastic planet-vandal David Sefton?
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01/02/2021 12:42:32 0 3
bbc
Dance on tiktok. Problem solved.
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01/02/2021 19:50:54 1 0
bbc
... Inappropriate for those in the NHS and those experiencing loss, grief, distress.
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02/02/2021 12:53:45 0 0
bbc
What a nasty comment. You must have a sad life.
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01/02/2021 11:31:08 6 8
bbc
Cases down 29% on Sunday compared with previous Sunday. Continues dramatic downward trend that started 9th Jan.

5,433 less hospital admissions over last 7 day period (to 27th Jan). Admissions on definite downward trend.

Deaths down 3.75% compared with last Sunday. Definite downward trend.

I hope the BBC now regret censoring my post on the 22nd Jan.

Remember BBC motto: good news is not news
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01/02/2021 12:44:20 1 3
bbc
It would be interesting to know what part of my above post was worthy of a down-tick. Could it be that some BBC fans are upset by the motto? Can't be anything else.
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01/02/2021 11:47:34 9 5
bbc
How do these statistics help the NHS staff nearing burnout?
And the BBC only removes comments flagged by users. Its not the BBC censoring you, its fellow commenters.
People just dont like you.
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01/02/2021 12:48:11 1 2
bbc
Richy, How enlightening lol. I can ensure you that it is the BBC moderators who are responsible for the censoring of my posts. I have been in conversation with them.

As for 'how do these stats...?' They are a statement of fact and show how things are improving (for all of us, not just the NHS). If you do not like this good news perhaps you could tell us what you do like.
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01/02/2021 14:39:40 2 1
bbc
The article is about the burnout of NHS staff. Its not about the improving situation (anything would be an improvement on hughest deaths per million globally for Jan.)
If you didnt make ill informed and agressive posts, you wouldnt be flagged by the community and removed by moderators. Its quite a simple process. Even you should be able to understand that.
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02/02/2021 13:05:59 1 0
bbc
No way have you been in conversation with them.

The initial Reactive Moderation is automated using Algorithms. It can be triggered by something simple as one 'bad' word.

The reported moderation response ismanual but simply tells you it has been deleted for one of the reasons as stated in the blurb above. Read it.

There isn't any conversation to be had unless its in your own imagination.
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01/02/2021 12:50:41 6 4
bbc
This seems to be one of the more bad tempered and abusive HYS's. Well done BBC for doing a great job moderating....
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01/02/2021 15:36:34 2 0
bbc
With half the country confined and going stir crazy whilst others have to work in risky circumstances , add in job and kids education worries and it's not surprising . It's going to take years to return to what will be a new stable normality.
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02/02/2021 11:24:52 0 0
bbc
You obviously haven't witnessed a Daily Mail one when the NHS is the subject. They're unmoderated and the level of trolling is abhorrent. There are some truly horrible people about.

Appears a few have migrated over here.

The reactive moderation is not undertaken by people by the way, its an algorithm. It still relies mainly on the HYS community to sift out and report those that slip the net.
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01/02/2021 12:53:43 3 0
bbc
By the time things start to get back to normal they will be at least a year and a half behind. New missed cases will emerge sticking at least another 12 months on, so its a VERY MINIMUM 4 yrs.
You really should be looking at a minimum of 7 with luck in running.
Covid fall out has not reached us yet.
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01/02/2021 12:55:58 5 3
bbc
dont like the idea at all of the nhs being used as a political football. it happens all the time.we have a government that havent a clue what they are doing. why not admit it. i do feel for the nsh team. they are human and we expect to much of them. be grateful for any help you can get and dont take them for granted.
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01/02/2021 13:20:58 3 5
bbc
Well Well !

Sounds like you're it using it as a "political football" !!
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01/02/2021 12:37:01 3 5
bbc
The usual rightwing couple knocking our Healthcare.

The tories will privatise it soon enough - no care for most of the population.
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01/02/2021 13:00:21 4 2
bbc
they woudnt dare . the tories would not even see the end of their term. labour bought us the nhs. the public would never vote for the tories again and they know it. not much choice with the other parties even worse. we are in a pickle for sure.
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01/02/2021 13:31:40 0 1
bbc
Another person who can't see past their own political agenda. In its current form, the NHS isn't for for purpose and needs radical overhaul and/or restructuring. That means a partially privatised system supported by the idea that if you can afford to pay for treatment, you pay for it. It works very well in many, many countries.
72
01/02/2021 12:37:01 3 5
bbc
The usual rightwing couple knocking our Healthcare.

The tories will privatise it soon enough - no care for most of the population.
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01/02/2021 12:59:47 3 0
bbc
The great tragedy is that you don't seem to understand that the only way to make the NHS fit for purpose is to privatise it (partially). It better suits your (and many, many others') agendas to ignore this fact and to use the NHS as a political football.

That is hugely more destructive than underfunding it, because it stymies rational debate on the subject.
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01/02/2021 13:10:57 5 0
bbc
For several years pre the (whatever this is?) my local GP surgery was phone triage only, great reluctance to see anyone in the flesh. My local hospital is now 18 months late for what is supposed to be an important set of check up procedures. What are we supposed to do, go off and die?!?!
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01/02/2021 13:17:14 4 6
bbc
Richy replied said-

"UK certainly leading the world in something - deaths per million blah, blah, blah"
-----------

Tosh !

Even in the EU there's Belgium and others which lead the UK in deaths per million population.
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01/02/2021 14:45:06 3 2
bbc
I note you covered up the rest of my comment - "last month". In January UK had highest deaths per million.

Trying to make yourself look better by misrepresenting what people say doesnt make you right. It makes you wrong.

Or perhaps the data is too complex for you to understand? Or do you just repeat what you read in the Daily Mail?

Either way - learn how to interpret data correctly.
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01/02/2021 12:28:59 2 3
bbc
silli billi
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01/02/2021 13:19:06 2 2
bbc
Any answer to ther point?

Thought not !
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01/02/2021 12:55:58 5 3
bbc
dont like the idea at all of the nhs being used as a political football. it happens all the time.we have a government that havent a clue what they are doing. why not admit it. i do feel for the nsh team. they are human and we expect to much of them. be grateful for any help you can get and dont take them for granted.
85
01/02/2021 13:20:58 3 5
bbc
Well Well !

Sounds like you're it using it as a "political football" !!
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01/02/2021 14:56:09 1 0
bbc
No it doesnt.
Do you deliberately misinterpret people's comments, or do you have problems understanding basic english?
Either way, you arent very good at trolling.
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02/02/2021 11:23:04 0 0
bbc
thick
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01/02/2021 13:26:01 4 5
bbc
Ray Devon said-

"The usual rightwing couple knocking our Healthcare.

The tories will privatise it soon enough - no care for most of the population"
---------

Heard of Private Finance Initiative (PFI)

This and following governments will be paying the £billions spent by Labour for
decades !!
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01/02/2021 14:18:38 7 2
bbc
Having worked on a number of early PFI projects, I can advise you that PFI was a daft keystone project initiated by the Torys. - I will however concede that the subsequent Labour goverment was equally daft to continue with it, but certainly the projects I was involved with had gone too far down the road to stop by the time Labour came to power anyway, as were I suspect many others.
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02/02/2021 12:30:53 1 0
bbc
Yet another load of manipulatively incorrect alternative facts from a familiar source. Not at all sure what your motive is.

Anyway, Echoing what as said. it was the previous Conservative Govt post the 1992 crash, as an off the books form of financing the NHS as they had run out of money. Funding had dropped to a paltry 5% of GDP.

Basically, PFI was the only route left when Labour got in.
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01/02/2021 12:35:29 0 1
bbc
Another caring con.
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01/02/2021 13:30:30 0 2
bbc
Do you ever reply to points made?
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01/02/2021 13:00:21 4 2
bbc
they woudnt dare . the tories would not even see the end of their term. labour bought us the nhs. the public would never vote for the tories again and they know it. not much choice with the other parties even worse. we are in a pickle for sure.
88
01/02/2021 13:31:40 0 1
bbc
Another person who can't see past their own political agenda. In its current form, the NHS isn't for for purpose and needs radical overhaul and/or restructuring. That means a partially privatised system supported by the idea that if you can afford to pay for treatment, you pay for it. It works very well in many, many countries.
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02/02/2021 12:14:46 0 0
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We already have that system in place. I can go to my local private hospital and pay for treatment if I have insurance or can afford it. Many of the doctors at the local one work for both the NHS and the private hospital.

We already have the system you are proposing.
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01/02/2021 13:36:42 3 3
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My understanding is that many of elective surgery were awarded to private healthcare organisation to take the pressure off NHS - Simon Stevens has used backdoor to privatise & we as public will not even notice these changes; private healthcare has its place in UK; we have to sort out clinicians working in both sectors & creaming off from lucrative private work, probably during NHS hours
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01/02/2021 13:44:03 0 0
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Except for some urgent cancer treatments, NHS hospitals are covid hospitals right now, with hospital acquired covid increasing - in stressful situations such as these, with nhs employing everyone they can possibly coerce to work within infectious areas, regardless of how effective their training programs are relating to infection control; staff new to IPC cannot be held responsible for increase
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01/02/2021 14:02:27 11 2
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There is a real danger deaths from untreated illnesses could match those from covid if nothing is done. The NHS always seems under pressure and short staffed and they are performing extraordinarily to cope with the demands made on them by the pandemic

There must be a lot more investment in recruitment and training and a proper rethink about commitments and funding .We are so fortunate to have it.
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02/02/2021 10:51:33 1 0
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Around 87, 000 Clinical staff short on the last count apparently.

One of the lowest Doctor/Nurse/ ICU bed to Patient ratios in the G20 nations to boot.

Lost a lot of European consultants & ICU specialists in particular last few years which was unfortunate & replacing them by trained UK staff will take years.

Ending Bursaries didn't help either. Thank god there has been a rethink on that.
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01/02/2021 13:26:01 4 5
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Ray Devon said-

"The usual rightwing couple knocking our Healthcare.

The tories will privatise it soon enough - no care for most of the population"
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Heard of Private Finance Initiative (PFI)

This and following governments will be paying the £billions spent by Labour for
decades !!
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01/02/2021 14:18:38 7 2
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Having worked on a number of early PFI projects, I can advise you that PFI was a daft keystone project initiated by the Torys. - I will however concede that the subsequent Labour goverment was equally daft to continue with it, but certainly the projects I was involved with had gone too far down the road to stop by the time Labour came to power anyway, as were I suspect many others.
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01/02/2021 14:38:06 0 1
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Labour embraced PFI with open arms and took it to new extremes.

Hypocritical wouldn't you say? The party which loses no opportunity to criicise the Tories on privatisation.
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01/02/2021 10:53:34 32 3
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Unfortunately people aren't prepared to reasonably discuss the issue you raise, its too fundemental and a taboo subject for the media. You have my sympathy and respect for writing your comment.
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01/02/2021 14:33:14 3 0
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Its a difficult topic as what you are alluding to could be considered as euthanasia which is illegal here and yet it is exactly what palliative care is

While getting COVID at an old age is bad, it doesnt guarantee death so to push them on that path seems a little unethical without consent.

its an ethical and moral nightmare and i dont think we will ever have a clear path out of that debate
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01/02/2021 12:18:40 1 3
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I get around! Do you ?
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01/02/2021 14:36:54 0 0
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So, no evidence, just your ill informed opinion. You know what they call people who have opinions that are different to the facts?
Wrong.
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01/02/2021 14:18:38 7 2
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Having worked on a number of early PFI projects, I can advise you that PFI was a daft keystone project initiated by the Torys. - I will however concede that the subsequent Labour goverment was equally daft to continue with it, but certainly the projects I was involved with had gone too far down the road to stop by the time Labour came to power anyway, as were I suspect many others.
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01/02/2021 14:38:06 0 1
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Labour embraced PFI with open arms and took it to new extremes.

Hypocritical wouldn't you say? The party which loses no opportunity to criicise the Tories on privatisation.
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01/02/2021 15:57:00 2 0
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Have you not heard of Carillion?
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02/02/2021 12:42:59 0 0
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It embraced it because the NHS was screaming out for investment and the Capital Investment pot was empty in 1997.

I know a lot about Contracts & PFI in particular as I worked in development and building contract law.

My opinion is the Labour & Conservative Govts got screwed over because it simply did not have the expertise in the CS side to negotiate these types of mega long term Contracts.
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01/02/2021 10:56:07 2 6
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Not what i said at all. It was in response to your comment that said; "Waiting for all the "if you can't handle death you shouldn't be working in the NHS" comments."

My point is not that they don't need support, but that witnessing death is an occupational hazard.

Try again Comrade.
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01/02/2021 14:38:33 5 0
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Funny that you think you are insulting me by calling me comrade when you are discussing one of britains most socialist policies...
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01/02/2021 12:48:11 1 2
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Richy, How enlightening lol. I can ensure you that it is the BBC moderators who are responsible for the censoring of my posts. I have been in conversation with them.

As for 'how do these stats...?' They are a statement of fact and show how things are improving (for all of us, not just the NHS). If you do not like this good news perhaps you could tell us what you do like.
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01/02/2021 14:39:40 2 1
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The article is about the burnout of NHS staff. Its not about the improving situation (anything would be an improvement on hughest deaths per million globally for Jan.)
If you didnt make ill informed and agressive posts, you wouldnt be flagged by the community and removed by moderators. Its quite a simple process. Even you should be able to understand that.
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01/02/2021 12:20:19 3 1
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Give the man an award. A true intellectual. The UK is in good hands.
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01/02/2021 14:44:20 0 1
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Much better than so-called experts !
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02/02/2021 13:20:01 0 0
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So called Experts are those that are not Experts but spout off as though they are.

They then criticise something from actual experts with a mundane response.
Last comment i read from you was about statistics issued by the ONS, and your response was 'Lies, damn lies etc'.

Yep. Fits the bill.
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01/02/2021 13:17:14 4 6
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Richy replied said-

"UK certainly leading the world in something - deaths per million blah, blah, blah"
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Tosh !

Even in the EU there's Belgium and others which lead the UK in deaths per million population.
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01/02/2021 14:45:06 3 2
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I note you covered up the rest of my comment - "last month". In January UK had highest deaths per million.

Trying to make yourself look better by misrepresenting what people say doesnt make you right. It makes you wrong.

Or perhaps the data is too complex for you to understand? Or do you just repeat what you read in the Daily Mail?

Either way - learn how to interpret data correctly.
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01/02/2021 14:57:42 0 1
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So you pick and choose 'statistics'? To fit your agenda ??

No wonder there's a saying- 'Lies, damned lies and statistics' !
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01/02/2021 14:57:15 1 1
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"Either way - learn how to interpret data correctly."

Trying to make sense of yet another boring, hackneyed and repetetive anti-Government dose of rhetoric does not equate to interpretation of data.
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01/02/2021 10:52:30 12 14
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And yet millions risk life and limb to get here!

Passing through numerous EU countries to do so !!
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01/02/2021 14:46:36 3 3
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You have forgotten the British Empire (formerly English Overseas Possessions) when the "British" went overseas and stole land and territory. Then it taught the conquered peoples to speak English. And now these conquered peoples are coming to Britain....because they speak English, not German or French.

Its a case of "hoisted by your own petard".