Covid: EU-AstraZeneca disputed vaccine contract made public
29/01/2021 | news | world | 14,137
The European Commission argues the drug-maker is failing to fulfil its promises on the Covid jab.
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29/01/2021 10:19:09 2350 150
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Given the EU’s raids on Astra Zeneca sites in Belgium yesterday, does the EU honestly think that a UK/Swedish company are purposefully withholding vaccines.

If Thailand now walked up and placed an order, would they receive their order before anyone else – of course not. Then why should it be any different for the EU.
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29/01/2021 10:26:58 308 550
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Let's see what's in those contracts, eh?
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29/01/2021 10:28:00 109 317
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The problem is with AstraZeneca they made commitments in a contract (which they dont want published hmmmm) and have set the EU against UK...both EU and UK should co-operate after all the UK is dependent on EU based Pfzer production ...in the end of the day co-operation is key.
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29/01/2021 10:28:30 76 245
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The EU seems pretty sure about the contract. Why is Az so afraid to publish the contract. ??
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29/01/2021 10:28:39 409 21
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My understanding is that the pre payment is used to set up production facilities. UK production was setup with UK money in the UK. EU production was set up with EU money in the EU ............ We now see what happens when you dither and don't plan ahead with. BTW have they even approved it yet ;-)
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29/01/2021 10:31:23 39 67
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If their contract says delivery iyf x doses with x weeks of placing the order, then they may well have a damn good case
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29/01/2021 10:38:25 17 53
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Everyone paid into the vaccine or ordered supplies. Production obviously wont cover all agreed contracts immediately therefore they are ordering that EU countries (i.e. those that the vaccine was produced) receive priority. If we we re manufacturing them ourselves I could see us doing the same.
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29/01/2021 10:23:55 93 7
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Because the Eu are showing their true colours.
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29/01/2021 10:43:14 87 4
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The EU took longer in negotiating a cheaper price and in so placed the order later. Then expects the order to be delivered to the detriment of other countries who ordered early.
It won’t publish their copy of the contract but expect AstraZeneca to do so. It probably doesn’t want to be seen to break a non disclosure clause that is common in purchasing contracts.
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29/01/2021 10:43:17 9 48
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I agree with you, but it wasn't a "raid" it was a standard inspection to find out what the production hold is. It's not like they were down there with armed police.
Were these raids bombing or commando type raids? No doubt all will be explained on Newsnight when the news blackout has been lifted. Removed
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29/01/2021 10:48:47 16 45
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There is a complete loss of objectivity in this country when it comes to the EU, instead we have absurd forced hysteria and outrage. Contracts are contracts. Publish and lets see what was really agreed.

At some point the boot may be on the other foot and we will be needing more vaccine than we are getting, at which point the public will expect the UK govt to hold the companies to their contracts.
EU will struggle to deliver the vaccine anyway.
The Spanish & Italians can’t keep their hands off each other & won’t have time for the vaccine to work.
The French just ignore advice - if you told them that under no circumstances should they get the vaccine they’d be flocking to the vaccine centres.
And the Dutch just want to get to a coffee shop & have a spliff otherwise they’ll riot.
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29/01/2021 10:53:06 6 9
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"If Thailand now walked up and placed an order..."

If AZ accepted an order from Thailand, then they would sign a legally-binding contract specifying the terms (including dates) of delivery, agreed on by both parties. The EU, UK and other countries signed contracts with AZ - we don't know what is in those contracts.
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29/01/2021 10:39:23 36 5
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Because the EU thonk they are superior to everyone, even their member states.

If AZ have breached the cotract why aren't the EU going to court to force AZ to comply with the contract?

Simlple answer, there is o breach of contract and the EU org re having a psddy because they are beig shown up as useless.
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29/01/2021 11:00:17 3 36
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A contract is a contract. If AstraZeneca said they would deliver X million vaccines by a given date, that is a commitment. Regardless of when contracts were signed.

They appear to be standing by their UK contract, while being prepared to breach their EU contract. The fact that a lot of their production is in the EU, just makes it all the worse. You can appreciate the EU feeling a bit miffed!
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29/01/2021 10:19:30 254 27
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The unelected by the people one speaks!
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29/01/2021 10:47:43 57 184
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it amazes me how people still push this "unelected" rubbish.

"God save the Queen!"
29/01/2021 12:27:47 3 2
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True, but she was elected by Herren Merkel, the true leader of the EU, the rest are merely her puppets.
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29/01/2021 10:20:00 2168 144
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Appears the EU is achieving the impossible - uniting leavers and remainers...
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29/01/2021 10:22:36 240 1197
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Not a chance pal!
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29/01/2021 10:25:22 205 19
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Yes, quite right that people should unite against bullies.
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29/01/2021 10:27:35 221 24
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Even the most pro-remain Guardian readers are horrified by how they are behaving.
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29/01/2021 10:29:58 51 8
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Nice :)
Ever listened to Obrienism on LBC? Tune in then. 10 to 1 mon to friday. Will how united remainers and leavers are.
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29/01/2021 10:39:49 109 19
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If you go on twitter (I'd actually advise against it for your own sanity) you would think this is all the UK's fault. And the usually remoaner cheerleaders like James O'brien simply are not even addressing the issue! They are just pretending the EU's vindictive behaviour is simply not happening. Just shows how they are bad faith actors & more concerned with selling their lockdown books!
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29/01/2021 10:41:41 10 5
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so true ??
Why would that be it? It has nothing to do with Brexit or UK/EU relations. It is a contractual dispute between a Big Pharma company an the EU.
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29/01/2021 10:45:04 23 6
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no, it seems that the UK has brought europe into line
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29/01/2021 10:45:26 18 45
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Seems a Brexiter is doing the usual - exaggerating and claiming to speak on everyone's behalf.
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29/01/2021 10:55:54 60 6
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As a remainder I 100 percent agree.

EU acting like a spoilt kid. Trying to blame it’s own failures on other nations. Very low
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29/01/2021 10:45:39 30 11
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Still load dellsional Delluded remainers who have no idea how bad EU is.

Guess what I live work in the Eu and there friken disgraceful joke.
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29/01/2021 11:02:08 24 1
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Look at the effect on EU loving SNP . Lots of worried faces at a protectionist EU
29/01/2021 11:04:51 24 7
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The remainers are finally seeing the EU in its true colours.
29/01/2021 11:10:25 8 26
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No they're not.

Leavers care about the UK.

Remainers care about everyone.

The WHO have expressed concern over "vaccine nationalism". When you read the headlines in the gutter press in this country, it's easy to see why. They're an embarrassment, and the tripe they publish is ultimately destructive.
29/01/2021 11:22:26 8 27
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Nope. All this is doing is to prove just how far up their own arses Brexit voters are. Gloating about a perceived exceptionalism is not a good look. It reminds me of how nasty people can be.
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29/01/2021 11:45:26 5 13
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Seeming not. This is not a Leave issue. It is a contractual one where it seems that AZ promised vaccines to the EU and failed to deliver.
Trs
29/01/2021 11:52:36 1 12
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Not a chance in hell mate.
RSO
29/01/2021 11:58:10 13 5
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no chance the remainers will bow down at the altar of the eu regardless
29/01/2021 11:58:49 5 10
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Eh. No. This is unfortunate and I can see both sides. Still a remainer. Still think Brexit is a disaster.
29/01/2021 12:04:26 13 0
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No sadly there will still be some who will see the EU through the same blue- tinted specs as before.
29/01/2021 12:08:22 2 8
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Nope still a remainer, still find our own governments response as rubbish
29/01/2021 12:10:29 1 6
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No.
29/01/2021 12:18:49 8 0
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Agreed as a remainer the EU have shown an appalling state of behaviour and toys out of the pram due to incompetence is not the way forward. Even the Hungarians and Serbians have gone there own way!
29/01/2021 12:19:59 0 0
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??
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29/01/2021 10:20:05 15 7
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Quite right. If all is above board and transparent why not publish it.
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29/01/2021 10:26:06 8 2
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The contract is probably contains 'commercial in confidence' and 'non disclosure' clauses. The first to publish would then be in breach of contract. That's why the EU wants A/Z to publish.
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29/01/2021 10:20:18 155 7
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'Land of Rules and laws' so this can't be done.

Suppose you could redact parts of it to try get around the NDA. However that would be pointless....

If you had managed to organise yourself 12 weeks earlier....
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29/01/2021 11:12:07 182 1
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The EU press can see that Ursula von der Leyen and Charles Michel are a pair of grossly overpaid incompetents.

German newspaper Die Zeit claimed the EU's vaccine bungle was "the best advert for Brexit". It accused Brussels of "acting slowly, bureaucratically and being protectionist".
29/01/2021 14:57:46 6 0
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Several EU nations were about to sign around the time UK did but EU stepped and took over, only a 3 month delay so pretty good - for them.
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29/01/2021 10:20:41 1938 327
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This is precisely why Brexit was a great idea! The E.U is not a trading unit or a group of aligned nations; it is a power hungry entity DICTATING to those nations.
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29/01/2021 10:28:26 368 1398
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Or an organisation that works on behalf of all of its members...
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29/01/2021 10:31:57 21 87
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Only because they want that AZ respect the contract ? THE EU pumped €400 million im AZ.
You were happy to take the belgian pfizer vaccine so far.
What if the EU bans the vaccine export
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29/01/2021 10:34:34 34 5
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If the problem is with the EU why are their sub-states getting involved in the commentary?
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29/01/2021 10:38:21 23 90
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Rubbish. You have no idea what was in the contract between AZ and the EU. Nor do I.

Brexiters are using this to distract from the issues at the border
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29/01/2021 10:53:46 6 10
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Utter garbage. Ordering vaccines is one thing the UK Government has done well. However one thing does not negate the massive economic demerits attached to Brexit. Just ask any fisherman, importer or person who bought something from the EU. I never saw massive fees written on the big red bus of lies. Dream on son.
29/01/2021 11:12:04 1 3
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Complete and utter rubbish.
29/01/2021 11:20:25 2 1
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Or an organisation doing its best on behalf of its members?
29/01/2021 11:17:19 2 1
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Been reading the Daily Express too much? Btw, putting something false in capitals doesn't change the fact that it's false.
29/01/2021 11:34:56 1 1
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exactly the commision will decide who gets the vaccine first and who will have an acceptable death rate to the benefit of the richer countries
The EU spent 3 months trying to haggle on price and to force AZ to manufacture inside the EU.

The EU has created this mess for themselves, showing how sclerotic and slow they are.

The EU wanting UK bound supplies is saying:

We want British People to die so that EU citizen can live.
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29/01/2021 10:30:05 15 96
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But you were happy to take the belgian pfizer vaccine so far.
Also why is AZ so afraid to publish the contract. Let' s see the contract. Az is not being honest IMO
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29/01/2021 10:48:03 7 1
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Funnily enough given how they have tried to make life as hard as they can for the UK as a way to stop others leaving the bloc, are u surprised this is happening? Companies are going to go into contracts with the with a whole new game plan now because shooting themselves in the foot comes to mind.
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29/01/2021 10:56:27 3 5
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What a ridiculous comment. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that it was more lucrative for Astra/Zeneca to fulfill UK contracts first, perhaps a higher price (we can only speculate) but certainly less risk because in the UK their manufacturer's liability has been waived whereas under the EU's 'bedingter Marktzulassung' it has not. Awaiting publication of contracts...
29/01/2021 11:04:07 0 3
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Hands up. Who voted to stay i the EU?
29/01/2021 11:06:44 0 2
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No they're not. Stop making things up.
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29/01/2021 11:09:19 0 2
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I'm going to assume that you haven't read the contract they have, or even tried to understand the key points of it. So you don't know how strong their argument actually is. When you place an order is less important than the agreed terms for fulfilling each other. If Brexit has shown us nothing else, it is that the EU seems to give more attention to the detail on contracts than the UK.
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29/01/2021 10:21:08 11 2
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I thought they didn’t want much of it?
29/01/2021 11:48:15 1 0
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Fair comment.
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29/01/2021 10:21:26 789 52
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The EU trying to deflect attention from their failings
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29/01/2021 10:49:37 138 740
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And I'm sure the hyping up by the right-wing press of technicalities of a legal agreement between a trading bloc and a multinational corporation has nothing to do with deflecting attention from 100,000 UK deaths under Johnson's watch, many of which were avoidable. They tried to distract us with a phoney culture war over statues, and that didn't work, so now it's time for some good-old jingoism.
29/01/2021 11:20:29 36 8
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Failed super state dragging their sub-states down in the bargain!
29/01/2021 11:22:48 47 2
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The EU is absolutely rubbish at doing anything quickly. Look at the Novavax vaccine. We ordered 60 million jabs with an option on more. Today the EU has approached NV trying to get some. Horse has bolted ...
29/01/2021 13:56:53 1 1
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Of course and they always will... they have so many fraud, mendaciousness, inefficiency, hypocrisy, vindictiveness etc etc
29/01/2021 15:00:53 1 1
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Fact 100,000 plus, deaths in UK . who's failings.......? look at the facts. Nationalism at its worst, right wing deflection.
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29/01/2021 10:21:39 17 13
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A contractual obligation that has already been paid for should be fulfilled.

This is not an EU Vs. Britain story, this is a business competence issue.
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29/01/2021 10:26:48 23 1
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Yeah but the EU want to have their contract fulfilled at the expense of the UK contract fulfillment - a contract that was signed much earlier as the Eu were more worried about driving down costs and getting the vaccines manufactured in the EU. why should the UK pay for their incompetence. Now they are trying to bully us.
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29/01/2021 10:27:04 4 0
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The EU hasn't paid for the AZ vaccines, it is an "order of intent" they have signed, as of today the EU hasn't approved the vaccine for use on its people.
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29/01/2021 10:30:25 3 0
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Agreed and exactly to the point. The EU just want o push 'blame' oto the UK to make themselves look good.
On the point of 2already paid for, "the EU don't pay for aything until 90 days post delivery and correct invoice submission"
29/01/2021 11:47:05 1 0
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Who is showing the greater competence in this issue?
29/01/2021 15:53:50 1 0
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The contract is for "best effort" not guaranteed supply & best effort does NOT include diverting contractually agreed vaccine supplies away from the UK to help cover up the EU's ineptitude.
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29/01/2021 10:21:43 7 8
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While Von Leyen has no right to ask AstraZeneca to public details of the deal, because it was agreed as a "confidentially Contract". Because they have requested it be made public, if AstraZeneca has nothing to hide them publish it then at the EU request.

If the contract shows the EU is wrong, then the EU is wrong bringing in new export rules to slow down the UK getting the jab from them
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29/01/2021 10:40:12 4 0
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Contracts are held by both sides, I would be surprised if the EU had spent a huge amount of money without being handed a mutual signed contract. So why don't the EU publish the relevant section from their copy for all to see ? Maybe it's because they would be breaking the law ? Oh dear, have the EU been stitched up by one of their own rules , or incompetence ?
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29/01/2021 10:27:55 0 2
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You've never seen the 'cofidentiality Clause' force in by the EU. No one ca publish ay agreement as it is breach of contract, oly the EU C of J can force it to be published.
This is the usualy EU org bull.
You need to deal with this org before you make such comments
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I seem to remember being explicitly told that the EU was not a protection racket by the usual spambots on here, looks like their EU masters' true colours are shining through
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29/01/2021 10:29:14 19 102
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They are ensuring the equal distribution of vaccines to third world and other counties. In Particular the Australians and third world countries are very happy that the EU have stepped in to ensure that they will get a fair share of the vaccine supply and that the UK Government can't hog all the available vaccines. PS. the EU are seen as more trustworthy than the US and Ourselves.
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29/01/2021 10:31:40 22 113
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They're just looking out for their members - I for one applaud the EU and wish we were still part of it.

You obviously prefer standing on the outside shouting in. Enjoy!
29/01/2021 11:06:44 7 1
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Vaccine protectionism is so against everything the EU has stood for. Time for VDL to get out of this high stakes poker game she is doing..
29/01/2021 12:18:40 6 13
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We get our vaccines from Belgium - but now shout abuse about Europe getting some from the UK? And you call that a protection racket?
joe
29/01/2021 12:18:41 4 7
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What a load of rubbish. EU masters.......dear God is this the level we'ver sunk to.
29/01/2021 12:42:47 3 4
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Sad to see the Tory Bot Propaganda Machine trying to turn this into a jingoistic UK v EU war!
29/01/2021 12:57:24 2 2
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So the UK not being protectionist. Our jabs.. our fish. Where have I heard that before.
29/01/2021 13:16:07 0 1
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If you do nothing else read The Great Deception.................it will tell you everything you need to know about the EU................everything
29/01/2021 13:18:35 1 2
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UK not being protectionist then. Double standards as usual.
29/01/2021 13:32:22 0 0
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Very muddy and dark colours...
29/01/2021 13:37:51 2 2
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I voted leave, never a fan of 'the project' for a US of E, but I never believed the EU (and Germany) could stoop so low, can't say Boris is now the nastiest, he said UK would never stop vaccine exports, we already exporting the AZ vaccine to Germany. EU wants more taken from other customer orders & threatens a 'vaccine war' - can't work out how US gets in the firing line from the German MEP.
29/01/2021 14:54:07 3 0
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Why hasn't the EU spat the same vitriol towards the US when Pfizer had the same issues in fulfilling their vaccine delivery schedule? More of the ire of member nations was towards the EU organisation itself and their lack of a coherent plan. The AstraZeneca vaccine hasn't even been given the green light by the EU regulator yet!
29/01/2021 14:59:55 1 2
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And you think they're sad because you're leaving
But did you see Jealousy in the eyes
Of the ones who had to stay behind?
And do you think you've made
The right decision this time?

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29/01/2021 21:01:04 0 2
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Unlike tricky Brits lying again!
30/01/2021 11:14:15 0 2
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What, asking from a company to fulfill contract? Would our Government not do the same if plant in UK failed? Would you expect them to do so?
Regardless of opinions about EU, at least in this instance, they are asking right questions.
Problem for both sides is there is no backup option.
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29/01/2021 10:21:55 9 7
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Before anybody starts shouting mouths off, why don't we see the contract. Sure;y that's easy. Anybody who wants any shroud of secrecy to remain must be viewed with suspicion. If the contract shows the EU are wrong then lets see it.
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29/01/2021 10:24:44 8 0
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There are very good reasons why all parties to these complex contracts insist on confidentiality. One party cannot expect to break that to try to support their position in a dispute. If the EU want to challenge the contract they must take it to a court.
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29/01/2021 10:29:05 2 0
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Except they only want some of it published. This is a business contract not EU vs UK as they are now trying to make it. Contracts can be cancelled, perhaps the best option?
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29/01/2021 10:21:58 12 35
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Another platform for EU haters to spout half-truths, when they know nothing more than is printed in the papers
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29/01/2021 10:24:28 10 0
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captain, please do enlighten us as to what you know that isnt in the papers or media?
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29/01/2021 10:25:06 4 0
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Awwww...... diddums ??
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29/01/2021 10:25:26 6 1
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That is rich, remoaners have been doing that for 4 years
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29/01/2021 10:26:31 4 0
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Hi Captain, what is your opinion on how the EU have handled the Vaccine rollout?
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29/01/2021 10:21:59 1194 54
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The EU's performance on all of this has been woeful. By making this fuss they are just highlighting their poor performance.
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29/01/2021 10:47:22 262 24
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The answer is in the contracts. All the rest - whether it's by Astra Zeneca, the UK or the EU - is just hot air.
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29/01/2021 10:52:21 16 4
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Moreover trying to justify their existence.
29/01/2021 11:31:09 11 38
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The EU have done a FAR better job at handling Coronavirus than we have!

The current vaccine issue is all down to AZ, not the EU. AZ contracted to deliver X million vaccines to the EU, and now say they can't do it.
joe
29/01/2021 12:19:48 1 5
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EU's performance in comparison to what.............the highest death rate in the world that is the UK?
29/01/2021 12:17:08 2 10
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I would rather have the EU response to the pandemic rather than the Uk , I think 100 thousand would agree
29/01/2021 13:08:49 1 1
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or trying to deflect
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29/01/2021 10:22:00 16 9
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The pandemic does not end anywhere till it ends everywhere!!
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29/01/2021 10:44:15 0 2
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ha ha 7 down votes(I'm sure more to come), I wonder how many of the people down voting never want to take a foreign holiday again??
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29/01/2021 10:22:01 1445 92
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the EU has no cake. They now demand that they eat ours!
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Can I remind you that so far the Uk has been using the pfizer vaccine gently developed by Germany Biontech
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29/01/2021 10:46:50 56 2
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Of course we will share when our needs have been satisfied; rather like the fishing rights subject!
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29/01/2021 10:46:54 50 8
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I am going out to buy a hat so I can then take it off to you sir.
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29/01/2021 10:48:12 94 1
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How did the EU imagine that two factories would be sufficient to supply all of the EU when there are two factories just for the UK?
SB
29/01/2021 11:28:32 4 1
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What's theirs is theirs, what's ours is theirs?
We're not in the EU any more.......
MVS
29/01/2021 12:00:43 1 1
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And when we give them the recipe so they can cook their own they screw that up too.
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29/01/2021 10:22:04 16 9
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We all need to work together on this. A pandemic does not recognise borders.
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29/01/2021 10:34:08 8 1
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True, but the UK government's priority has to be to vaccinate its own citizens first.
The EU spent 3 months trying to haggle on price and to force AZ to manufacture inside the EU.

The EU has created this mess for themselves, showing how sclerotic and slow they are.

The EU wanting UK bound supplies is saying:

We want British People to die so that EU citizen can live.
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Grow up. Removed
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29/01/2021 10:26:32 53 20
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I think you are the one that needs to grow up with your truly fantastic mature comment.
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29/01/2021 10:27:36 112 12
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sounds grown up to me - the opnly people not grown up are the apologists for the EU. And I speak as a Remain voter.
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29/01/2021 10:38:34 93 4
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No FF you grow up. EU is trying to draw us in to the problems of supply that they themselves have created.
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29/01/2021 10:40:26 6 1
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Wish you would
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29/01/2021 10:40:54 5 1
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you grow up
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29/01/2021 10:26:31 7 1
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bitter much?
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29/01/2021 11:02:27 10 0
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What's wrong with telling like it is? The EU is a bureaucratic mess. They've ordered 2.3 Billion doses of vaccine from 7 different companies. 3 times the requirement for 2 doses every EU citizen. AZ is the only company now delivering vaccine at the moment. AZ hasn't yet been approved for use in the EU, but they want it anyway they can get it, even if it means stealing!!
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29/01/2021 10:22:18 687 30
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Nicola should not be showing the EU the Vaccine schedule for the UK, this borders on traitorous behaviour.

The UK would not demand to see the EU's schedule, imagine the uproar if it did!
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29/01/2021 10:39:20 553 15
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I think I read that she wants to help the EU by giving away some of Scotland's allocation. Apparently this is supposed to help her win the Scottish election (contrast to England/Boris) but I can't see too many Scots being ok with this?
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29/01/2021 10:39:25 121 2
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Are you surprised. Sturgeon doesn't give a **** for the UK. Also she is trying to curry favour with the EU in case they (Scotland) do vote for independence and try to rejoin the EU.
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29/01/2021 10:40:34 8 13
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What is so secret about this? Genuinely curious.
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29/01/2021 10:42:35 56 2
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I'm surprised more is not being g said about this....

Maybe we can hope she crosses the line into out right illegal behavior and has to face the consequences....

However I do t hd out much hope, just look what Blair gt away with.
29/01/2021 11:08:52 5 32
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The Scottish Government removed the schedule at the request of the UK Government. The UK Government then talks about supply as a stick to criticise the Scottish Government, may as well publish then we have the facts.
29/01/2021 11:18:48 25 3
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Bring back the 'ducking stool'!
29/01/2021 11:51:25 64 2
bbc
Charge Sturgeon with Treason if she does divulge it.
29/01/2021 13:30:42 3 11
bbc
Now Johnson and Co couldn't be telling lies could they. Never.
29/01/2021 13:38:21 6 0
bbc
Depends on what level of sensitivity was placed on the document - or document sources - she chooses to release. She's canny enough to release enough data to whip up a storm without it being an "official secret" - unfortunately.
29/01/2021 13:51:53 11 1
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Arrest the UK traitor and send her to The Tower. What an EU creep. Trying to get in their good books are we Nicola just in case you might get and win your second attempt at independence? Which you won't.
GGG
29/01/2021 14:22:59 9 0
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The SNP's game is grievance and division, they have no other tools.

'Seditious political wreckers' just about sums them up. They simply have no loyalty to the UK of which Scotland is part.
29/01/2021 14:33:48 8 0
bbc
What do you expect from this bully - I hope when she loses she gets a job with the EU and helps Italy et al escape.
29/01/2021 14:52:19 3 0
bbc
If she publishes confidential information stop supplying the vaccine, she has broken the contract.
29/01/2021 14:56:07 2 0
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Nicola, being notoriously pro-EU and anti-British, is facing a bit of a moral dilemma over the issue of vaccination nationalism.
30/01/2021 17:38:11 1 0
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How many Jabs would the Scots have had if they were in the EU
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29/01/2021 10:22:27 1299 85
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The EU are acting like spoilt children, who have arrived late to the party and are complaining because there re no party hats left.
One sickening aspect of this HYS discussion is the shameless hypocrisy on show.

Had we been behind in the queue, then to a man (or woman) we'd have been squealing like stuck pigs in calling for 'fairness,' 'equity' and other such bollocks.

And as we chance to be ahead (words chosen carefully) we're thumbing our noses at those behind.

We really are creatures of the gutter and sewer.
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29/01/2021 10:50:08 81 6
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The EU screwed up. They want to find someone to blame.

It can't have escaped their notice that the UK is no longer part of the EU.

Truly inadequate behaviour on their part.

As a remainer, this makes it easier to accept I may have been wrong!
828
29/01/2021 10:57:44 20 2
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Rattles out the pram next?
VoR
29/01/2021 11:14:51 0 15
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So are you telling me that if you had confirmation that if a vaccine you ordered for your family would be supplied by a certain date, you wouldn't have a problem if they then told you it wasn't going to be because they ran into problems producing overall volumes, so were giving the vaccine to someone who ordered first?

I think you'd still be arguing that you had confirmation so should get it.
sbn
29/01/2021 11:52:43 12 0
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EU, be decent and join the queue!
29/01/2021 11:53:29 11 0
bbc
Yes they are. I am enjoying this schadenfreude.
29/01/2021 12:05:38 0 9
bbc
Did the UK not put an export block on drugs that were thought to aid treatment of covid last year? Braking the rules in a limited and specific way again.
29/01/2021 12:16:01 1 0
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Or cake!
29/01/2021 12:20:18 0 10
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They just want their legal contract honoured.
29/01/2021 12:26:17 0 4
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You analogy is incomplete: the party host also charged everyone for providing party hats they didn't have and never had any intention of providing in time for the party, kept everybody's money... then set the British press on them when they demanded answers.
30/01/2021 11:15:57 0 0
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Contract mate. Not a party. Serious stuff. They paid and they expect delivery. Wold you not expect our government to do the same?
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29/01/2021 10:20:00 2168 144
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Appears the EU is achieving the impossible - uniting leavers and remainers...
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29/01/2021 10:22:36 240 1197
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Not a chance pal!
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29/01/2021 10:30:39 97 7
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OK Chum

(are we just naming dog foods?)
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29/01/2021 10:32:26 47 12
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I assume that is 'not a chance' for the EU!
228
29/01/2021 10:34:39 65 10
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Petty nutcase.
252
29/01/2021 10:35:40 47 6
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Like the flower short lived and unappealing.
376
29/01/2021 10:26:15 17 5
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bitter much?
844
29/01/2021 10:58:31 45 2
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Wouldn't be so sure - as a firm Remainer I have just posted my disgust at the antics of the EU in recent weeks to trade with China to this bullying debacle!!
29/01/2021 11:30:44 9 3
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Yep, 'fraid so, a BIG chance.... matey
29/01/2021 11:38:05 15 2
bbc
Then stand up and donate your vaccine dose to them then!
29/01/2021 11:49:53 12 3
bbc
You appear to be in the minority.
29/01/2021 11:52:17 17 3
bbc
Looks like you're in a clear minority. The truth of a tardy buraceratic federation coming home to roost. EU should wait in the queue and show more commitment with its tardy authorisation.
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29/01/2021 12:11:31 7 1
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Blind ignorance on your part -the EU care for no one, not EU citizens of anyone else. If they did, or were competent they would have bought in when we did. But they dithered and argued, just as they are doing on their future budget. For you to defend them as they blame everyone but themselves for their incompetence is laughable!
29/01/2021 12:12:48 2 0
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Are you sure he is your "pal"?
29/01/2021 12:20:15 5 2
bbc
Tut tut, missed your anger management classes again?
29/01/2021 12:09:25 5 2
bbc
Looks like you're a very lonely voice in the wind
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29/01/2021 10:22:46 893 36
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They haven't even approved the use of the vaccine yet. Why would anyone start production for a body that isnt committed to using the jab?
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29/01/2021 10:48:45 73 353
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This is rubbish, I believe they have paid. They will be using it.
29/01/2021 11:14:40 10 1
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We weren't commited to using the jab though? The regulators make the call (of course we all know that the gov had quiet contact) we had thousands of doses made before we even knew it worked let alone approved it
29/01/2021 11:18:28 4 2
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Maybe they committed to pay for their order come what may and have already paid a substantial deposit. If not, tough luck, back of the queue until you approve.
Ben
29/01/2021 11:48:40 5 3
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The UK also pre-ordered the jab before approval. The obligation is to provide the jabs, regardless of whether the end user eventually decides to use them.
29/01/2021 11:55:56 2 1
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The best point posted yet.
29/01/2021 13:53:10 0 1
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Yes well said... but the EU would say 3 and 3 makes 7 if it suited them.
29/01/2021 15:39:07 0 0
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Good point!
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29/01/2021 10:22:49 751 132
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Its amazing how quiet the re-moaners are regarding how the EU have reacted regarding the vaccine
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29/01/2021 10:27:41 648 58
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It is also amazing that some on here will defend the actions of the EU over their poor behaviour.

Confirms the confirmation bias.
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29/01/2021 10:34:06 22 16
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"Its amazing how quiet the re-moaners"

I know life has probably passed you by, however leavers are now the new remain, i.e. remaining outside the EU.

The former remain are now rejoin.
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29/01/2021 10:34:25 38 27
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Amazing how Brexiteers keep demanding we "join together" yet any post like yours that calls us "remoaners" is guaranteed to get upvotes. ONE instance of the EU behaving like this and apparently it's enough to vindicate all the harm it's causing the UK? No. Try harder.
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CJR
29/01/2021 10:37:07 30 15
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Maybe hopefully they are thinking thank god we have left that shambles of unelected fools.
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29/01/2021 10:50:53 6 5
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Yep!
29/01/2021 11:10:41 27 1
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Since when was this about Brexit? We had the opportunity to join there scheme and decided not to because the plan looked bad from the beginning, sure some may have looked at it through the lense of what was happening with Brexit but the reality is this is a massive lack of foresight on their behalf not a result of Brexit ???????
29/01/2021 11:12:17 4 5
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OK, leave them be. They were lied to big time, and an EU was an ideal that seemed good on paper.
They've learned their lesson, we all make mistakes.
29/01/2021 11:20:56 4 0
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Yawn..grow up child and move on remoaners, remainers leavers, its 2021 now and you are still using the same silly childish terms from something that is now history. Silly and childish at best.
29/01/2021 11:21:23 1 2
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Tee hee is what you're saying. How very binary of you!
29/01/2021 11:22:42 8 3
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Remoaners is a daily mail slogan, anyone who quotes it cant think for themselves
29/01/2021 11:27:33 3 0
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I'm not quiet, I just posted how the UK has handled the vaccine development and deployment very well, better than the EU has.
29/01/2021 11:34:42 1 4
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Not many left now that more and more of them are seeing through the fog
29/01/2021 12:03:01 3 1
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Yet again brexit bully boy more interested in confrontation than repairing the damage caused by brexit
29/01/2021 12:21:01 2 0
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Is there any need for this comment? It's evident from the comments that people from both sides of the EU referendum are looking at this not looking great on the EU. There's a way to behave and neither this comment or the EU have got that right.
29/01/2021 12:09:26 3 2
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Yes and I can't hear the re mainers pushing to hard to give their vaccines back to their buddies in Europe. Wouldn't you think that big mouth parading outside Parliament for Europe, would be there now shouting to give Europe our vaccines.
rmw
29/01/2021 12:54:42 3 0
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I know where you're coming from, but not helpful to dredge up the leave/remain argument now. That's coming from a leaver who accepts we need to move on from that debate.
29/01/2021 12:44:09 2 1
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I voted Remain, but this is an attempt at bullying and embarrassing - I can't defend it. The production problems are in EU-based plants ironically
29/01/2021 13:10:30 1 1
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Deafening silence from all of the high profile Rejoiners who were always bleating about needing to be part of the greater good of the European project...

I don't hear Nicola, or Labour Wales offering any of their constituents' vaccines to the EU to plug their gap.

Notwithstanding it would be a massive vote loser for them to do so,

Was it always rank hypocrisy, or has the penny finally dropped?
29/01/2021 13:28:21 1 0
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Grow up. Move on. This is about a vaccine not your phony war over sovereignty
29/01/2021 13:29:08 1 0
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No doubt believing it is impossible to reason with brexiteers. Going well isn't it. No mention of it I note.
29/01/2021 14:23:36 1 1
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Literally everyone I know who voted to remain thinks the way the EU are acting atm is ridiculous and we're talking about it a lot just maybe not posting as much? It's the first time I've been glad to leave.
29/01/2021 14:29:16 1 1
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People who say remoaners are......well you can fill in the blanks.
29/01/2021 14:32:24 0 1
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To be fair i've seen a lot of remainers wincing and honest about it. The EU are now doing a good job of unifying the UK, oops I forgot about Nicola!
30/01/2021 08:43:43 0 0
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On the contrary, there are loads of comments from remainers on here, saying how disappointed they are with how the EU has handled this issue.
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29/01/2021 10:22:51 518 24
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They haven’t even approved it yet!
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29/01/2021 10:51:14 100 61
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Neither had the UK medical authorities when supply arrangements were being worked out with the NHS.
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29/01/2021 10:51:45 6 3
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And don’t want to use it to treat the most vulnerable people
Dog in the Manger
668
29/01/2021 10:51:58 5 2
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And apparently they actually have NOT paid for it fully either!
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29/01/2021 10:54:32 4 19
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And so the contract says after the approval. Little englander
29/01/2021 11:14:27 10 1
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The spiteful, arrogant self effacing bullies will probably not approve it for some extraordinarily minor technicality that they would seek to justify their existence. But unfortunately that would not solve the short term production problems the manufacturers are experiencing.
29/01/2021 12:57:36 1 2
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Quite right. In any normal business deal the agreement starts after approval.
How can anyone DEMAND priority for a product they have not even approved.
The EU is clearly guilty of trying to hedge their bets without commitment.
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Dan
29/01/2021 10:22:51 1012 86
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Well isn't the EU showing it's true colours this year!
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29/01/2021 10:38:38 391 25
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Didn’t they get a copy when they signed the deal? Why do they want them published?
One sickening aspect of this HYS discussion is the shameless hypocrisy on show.

Had we been behind in the queue, then to a man (or woman) we'd have been squealing like stuck pigs in calling for 'fairness,' 'equity' and other such bollocks.

And as we chance to be ahead (words chosen carefully) we're thumbing our noses at those behind.

We really are creatures of the gutter and sewer.
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29/01/2021 10:44:49 32 10
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The vast majority of the UK electorate saw their true colours years ago!
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29/01/2021 10:58:12 14 4
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Precisely Dan, couldn't agree more. But still those with EU rose tinted glasses can't see this......
29/01/2021 11:32:07 8 1
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It's not the EU or the member states causing problems; it's the unelected un-accountable Commission.
29/01/2021 11:51:21 4 1
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I think they are going to suffer from some serious reputational damage from this.
joe
29/01/2021 12:21:02 0 5
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And what are they Dan? Pressuring a company to fulfill their contractual obligations, looking after their members? What?
29/01/2021 15:52:28 1 0
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And they're not blue and yellow - they got mixed up and turned into the green-eyed monster of jealousy.
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29/01/2021 10:22:54 695 22
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The EU signed a contract with a confidentiality clause. They should stick to what they agreed
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29/01/2021 11:03:01 421 16
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Initially, they accuse AZ of releasing contract details, and now they say they want it released in its entirety! Well, whatever works for you Ursula.
29/01/2021 11:23:29 3 1
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If they hadn't I'm sure they would have already published. As they haven't they probably won't (because of it) and may even be relying on not actually posting, just hoping a "No smoke without fire" implication will be enough to to bully AZ into compliance.
29/01/2021 11:40:08 3 24
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So should AZ.

Difference is, AZ then told EU in no uncertain terms they were not going to deliver what they were contracted to deliver.

Where as EU have not published the confidential contract, but have simply asked AZ to publish it.

There's only one party here that appears to have broken the contract, and it's not the EU!
29/01/2021 12:45:09 0 1
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That would be a 1st for the corrupt EU
29/01/2021 13:27:44 0 1
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And so should the company. Still it will be OK if they have been diverting vaccine from EU won't it. But not the other way.
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29/01/2021 10:23:14 134 9
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Don't it make you wish we had stayed in the EU!?!.... gotta love red tape eh folks........
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29/01/2021 10:41:19 8 172
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The EU is pressuring (a winning BTW) a massive company to help its members. Do you think the UK on its own has this kind of power?

The UK could have made the EU even stronger and the UK would have been one of its strongest members.
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29/01/2021 10:23:15 98 4
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I assume the EU have a copy of the contract.

So, they should release it, and if they’re doing something illegal, breaking contract law, breaking commercial confidences, face the law.
29/01/2021 11:28:32 41 2
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They might be using their 'best efforts' to lose it?
29/01/2021 11:51:13 6 0
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But the version they have finally released is so redacted as to be virtually worthless. Ursula is panicking
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29/01/2021 10:23:18 545 13
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The EU cumbersome handling of their vaccination crisis highlights the problem of big organisations such as states and companies. It might make things cheaper but at the cost of service and speed. Companies with the worst customer service are usually the bigger ones and are often the slowest to react.
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29/01/2021 10:34:11 108 416
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That's a valid argument. The EU is bloated. Some believe it is taking steps to improve, others don't believe it can. And if the leave campaigns in 2016 had been fought honestly on those lines then nobody could've argued had the result been the same. But it wouldn't have been the same, because without blatant lies, which some others on this forum are repeating to this day, they wouldn't have won.
29/01/2021 11:09:09 20 4
bbc
Being big like the EU does not make things cheaper it just gives them the opportunity to fix prices higher and exclude free trade with the world.
29/01/2021 11:13:26 9 0
bbc
Spot on!!!
29/01/2021 11:27:46 4 1
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'Sapiens a Brief History of Humankind' by Noah Harari makes this point about the dysfunctionality of bigger groups; I think the magic number is 150. Well worth a read.
Ben
29/01/2021 11:55:56 4 6
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Although in this case, the alternative is dozens of individual nations, all fighting over who gets to have the first dibs on a limited supply of vaccines, all wanting their own factory. That could be even less efficient and time effective. At least a large organization has the ability to consolidate all those demands and then divvy out vaccines more fairly.
29/01/2021 14:40:43 2 0
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The numbers in Germany vs UK - what cumbersome handling?
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29/01/2021 10:23:18 927 66
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Ursula von der Leyen and her EU bullies are showing their true colours and then the threats from Germany of 'you UK will suffer' are a disgrace.
AstraZeneca chief executive, Pascal Soriot, has said that the contract stipulated that the company would make its "best effort" to meet the EU demand and did not compel the company to stick to a specific timetable - an assertion disputed by the EU.
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29/01/2021 10:28:59 84 447
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"AstraZeneca chief executive, Pascal Soriot, has said that the contract stipulated that the company"

Wait until if / when the contract is published, then you may be able to vent your spleen against the EU.

You won, now live with it.
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29/01/2021 10:50:51 32 1
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Threats by German against other countries should be consigned to history not restarted in the 21st century
666
29/01/2021 10:51:55 31 2
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I know who I believe. And it’s not the bullying EU.
777
29/01/2021 10:56:00 11 1
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Perhaps it is because they don't speak the same language. EU needs to reign in comments from their sub-states that do them no credit.
29/01/2021 11:14:26 14 0
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Vaccine manufacture is a biological process, with yields & timescales being at the whim of the "brew". So contracts will include this "best efforts" clause.
29/01/2021 11:36:37 1 1
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They should publish the contract then. What have they got to hide?
29/01/2021 11:20:38 0 7
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If best efforts were allowed to be included then the negotiators need sacking. I would NEVER EVER allow such a get out of jail clause in any contract I negotiated, no matter how important or otherwise. It's like a handshake agreement, not worth the paper it's written on lol.
29/01/2021 12:05:36 4 0
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typical Bully boys tactics, happened in the 1930's
29/01/2021 12:19:08 0 0
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Please remember that this is a BBC article and is meant to be divisive. ??.
joe
29/01/2021 12:22:51 0 2
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Bullies? True colours? Pressurising a company to fulfill their contractual obligations and looking after their members' interests?
29/01/2021 13:09:18 2 0
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Boycott EU goods where possible and develop home grown businesses to fill the gaps.
29/01/2021 13:15:56 0 0
bbc
Yep, that is in the published contract....
29/01/2021 13:24:41 2 0
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Publication of the contract shows Pascal was right
30/01/2021 18:33:53 0 0
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"Ursula von der Leyen and her EU bullies are showing their true colours"

And the UK definitely are certainly showing theirs, at least the EU have seen sense, unlike the UK.

Our Government appears happy to see UE citizens suffer and die due to the UK withholding medicines,

https://www.theweek.co.uk/951807/uk-quietly-slapped-restrictions-on-covid-medicine-to-eu

Shame on us all.
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29/01/2021 10:23:28 196 10
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The EU are acting like a spoilt child not getting the toy it wants. Contracts are confidential and not for public viewing, do this while infringe on all other contracts the company has agreed with other clients. The EU were late agreeing to a vaccine and now have to wait for previously agreed contracts to be fulfilled, queue jumping is for bullies which the EU are proving to be.
29/01/2021 11:17:10 61 2
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The EU remain what they are!
29/01/2021 11:48:15 7 0
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The vaccine isn't even authorised for use in EU - so what the hell are they trying to say "we want our order for a vaccine we can't yet?
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29/01/2021 10:23:30 1951 59
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Unfortunately we British love a queue and we despise queue jumpers. Should have got up earlier.
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29/01/2021 10:53:06 142 1177
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Let's see the contract. What is the EU is right and has priority access.
Az not acting honestly refusing to publish the contract.
The EU seems pretty sure about the clause. UK factories must deliver to mainland Europe. They are part of the contract. Watch this space ??
767
29/01/2021 10:55:35 53 2
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Unless of course we put our towels on the deck chairs
29/01/2021 11:07:06 17 1
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I am just back from making pop corn.

Time to sit back and watch what unfolds.
29/01/2021 11:15:01 2 7
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Some of them do, but only for a beach lounger and for a long "as much as you can eat" buffet breakfast and then walk out of the room with food stuffed into bags and pockets for later.
29/01/2021 11:19:02 7 35
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Once again mainland Europe looks to the British Isles to help with a mess of its own making. Of course and without hesitation the UK should step up and help our neighbours once again.

Let us see how much of the vaccine we can redistribute from the UKs allocation to the EU.

The enemy is not the EU - it is this virus. We will not be safe until all are safe.
29/01/2021 11:34:11 5 1
bbc
Yes a bit slow at putting their towels on the loungers weren't they!
29/01/2021 11:35:31 2 1
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ya snooze ya loose
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29/01/2021 11:49:37 7 1
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We do love a queue because we like order not chaos.
29/01/2021 12:03:06 3 1
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Germans hogging the sunbeds is one of the self promoting myths typical of the subtle drip-feed which resulted in the populace hating the EU. Together with bends in bananas and the likes.
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29/01/2021 10:23:32 4 40
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The eu is completely right, it should block all vaccines to the uk and divert them to the worst hit parts of the eu. Little england needs to know it`s place in the world
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29/01/2021 10:27:05 1 1
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
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29/01/2021 10:27:22 1 2
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Get back under your bridge, Troll.
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29/01/2021 10:27:27 1 1
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What has this got to do with England.
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29/01/2021 10:28:32 2 1
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OH MY love, do you want a hanky, they havent even approved the vaccine as of today. To somehow side with them shows just how unpatriotic you people are. I am proud we were the first to roll out vaccines, why? you may ask. We have the worlds leading stem cell, DNA and virologists in the world at two the top five universities in the World. So call us what you like but this little island is leading
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29/01/2021 10:29:17 2 1
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They don't want to block the UK vaccines
They want to steal the vaccines from the UK
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29/01/2021 10:31:08 2 1
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Epic fail! The vaccine is being made in "Little England" you fool, we don't need EU imports! Read the facts before posting stupid replies. With one of the biggest economies in the EU we are not "Little" My Love.
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29/01/2021 10:31:51 1 0
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troll
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CJR
29/01/2021 10:34:50 2 0
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Yep we do more compent then the ????????S of the EU.
Hence our vaccine program is miles in front of the EUs just wondering if that’s there problem, a nation dared to leave and is doing better.
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29/01/2021 10:34:59 0 0
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Guess you wrote this with tongue in cheek, unless you are German.
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29/01/2021 10:23:36 24 2
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From what I understand, the delay is not 'political', but in production capacity. The plants making the vaccine needed to throttle back production in order to make changes so they could expand overall production volumes a little later. But understandable that everyone wants large volumes as quickly as possible but manufacturers need the physical infrastructure in place to be able to do that.
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29/01/2021 10:27:12 9 1
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If you are a politician you don't need to understand the production process!
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29/01/2021 10:33:28 1 0
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[Sigh] They say it isn't political, but since nobody else has been subjected to this, you have to wonder why not, if it isn't political.
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29/01/2021 10:23:48 1727 152
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Have to say that this whole mess does seem to be of the Eu's own making. I voted Remain but have to say after this I wouldn't again - doesnt show them as an effective body, rather one that just delays and confuses everything.
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29/01/2021 10:59:06 345 74
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Thanks for your comment Dave.
29/01/2021 11:31:35 35 3
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You're not the first one to have said that.
29/01/2021 11:32:48 18 76
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Strange. From what I can see, it's entirly the making of AZ. They are the company manufacturing the vaccine, who told EU they can deliver X million on a certain date (and signed a contract to that effect), and now say they can't.
29/01/2021 11:51:41 35 4
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There was also the common PPE procurement that we "scandalously" didn't join that produced next to nothing for weeks.
29/01/2021 11:58:14 13 4
bbc
Spot on!
Have to say, I voted leave, but then I realised that I have an IQ of 2.

Since then I have received a brain transplant and realise that the idea of leaving was mental.

I have 10,000 friends who voted leave, who would all vote remain now.

I know Dave as a personal friend, and he's definitely not lying. Same with Boris.
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"I voted Remain but..." Of course you did, Dave ;-) Removed
29/01/2021 12:24:17 10 17
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So you voted remain, but after one single incident which seems to show the EU in a bad light you would never vote remain again?! You can't have been much of a remain supporter in the first place if that's the case... if you ever were to begin with.
29/01/2021 12:41:19 4 5
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Totally agree - you cannot spin this
29/01/2021 12:52:47 10 8
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LOL... as if we believe you!

Sad to see the Tory Bot Propaganda Machine trying to turn this into a jingoistic UK v EU war!
29/01/2021 12:48:18 3 3
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I agree without having seen the contract but that sounds like the UK government to me Dave. The vaccine is the first thing they got right the past year mate. I'd rather work together at times like these, if we were in the EU this wouldn't and couldn't have happened.
29/01/2021 13:06:56 3 2
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High Dave,
We've had much reparte since the referendum haven't we. And yet here we are with you now coming around to my way of thinking. WELL DONE!
Hope you keep well!
29/01/2021 13:12:11 2 0
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Unlike the U.K. Government which has shown its superior competence at every stage......
29/01/2021 13:17:32 1 0
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a bunch of amateurs trying to bully their way out of a show of grand incompetence
29/01/2021 13:17:38 1 1
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And the UK an effective body. Nothing effective about 100,000 plus deaths. Convenient to forget.
29/01/2021 13:36:29 0 2
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We're not having the vote again... not in our lifetime.

Yeee-haw

!!!??!!!
29/01/2021 14:20:10 0 1
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Loks like the EU has been left lacking by their leaders.

Phrases such as ‘The easiest deal in the world’ and ‘Nothing is agreed, until everything is agreed.’ Spring to mind.

Need we remind them that the clock is ticking?

___________
29/01/2021 14:22:43 0 0
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Sorry, you didn't see them for the bullies they are before!
29/01/2021 14:36:31 1 1
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Have always been bullies & always will be. I voted to remain against my gut feel & heart. By 2017 I wished I had voted Leave after listening & watching the EU and its UK allies mock democracy. I have never been more convinced that we are better out and lets start being as self reliant as possible. The trouble is EU & UK allies still see us as a EU vassal state.
29/01/2021 14:53:20 0 0
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Those who voted remain now see that it 'remains' to be see if the EU have any credibility in them.
29/01/2021 15:01:35 0 0
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Haha. Of course you did.
29/01/2021 15:16:15 0 0
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Totally agree, I voted remain but the EU must take responsibility for this.
WG
29/01/2021 15:43:18 0 0
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The EU haven't even approved it yet
29/01/2021 19:11:08 0 0
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Agree 100% Dave.

I used to work around EU funding, they were famous for saying submit bids by DD/MM/YY and we'll give you an answer by DD/MM/YY. Weeks or even months later they would come back with a query and say oh and by the way we need a response in a matter of days. They can faff around for months but you gat days...

BTW I voted leave and haven't regretted it for moment.
JP
30/01/2021 10:53:33 0 0
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I voted remain too, but the last four years have shown their true colours and I would never vote to rejoin. They say they want open trade but it MUST be on their terms. They're bullies, plain and simple.
30/01/2021 13:37:26 0 0
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Premature . How many vaccines does UK need ? 96 million in stock and only able to process 400 000 a day errm do the calculations. Wasting resources and tax payers money.
30/01/2021 17:26:10 0 0
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Oh look! Guess who had my comment removed because he didn't like it? Must be one of those believers in UK freedom of speech and sovereignty you hear about! Thank goodness they're looking out for our freedoms, eh? ;-)
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29/01/2021 10:23:54 250 7
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The Germans want to have their cake and eat it.

I'm not surprised though.

It was Stollen
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29/01/2021 10:26:35 114 3
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Love it. Great to see there is a sense of humour still during these tough times.
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29/01/2021 10:33:21 1 3
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Surely no one is ? German mantra, "We are in control, it is our destiny".
29/01/2021 11:07:13 3 0
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OK lets settle the dispute about the ball not crossing the line in the 1966 World Football Cup and England being awarded (correctly) a goal. We'll call the result a 3 - 2 win to England. Happy?
Tim
29/01/2021 11:09:05 9 0
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Best comment on this vitriolic forum. Thanks for the chuckle :-)
29/01/2021 11:44:16 1 0
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????
29/01/2021 13:06:03 0 0
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Best laugh I have had in ages, well done
29/01/2021 14:44:00 2 0
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That's the wurst joke I've read all day
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29/01/2021 10:23:55 312 5
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The UK signed a contract with Novavax for 60m doses in August. The EU are still in discussions with Novavax about procuring vaccine.
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29/01/2021 10:26:10 253 5
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But the EU will demand 1st delivery.
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29/01/2021 10:29:21 41 0
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Doubtless they will still want their supplies before the UK, and will spit their dummies out if they don't get it.
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29/01/2021 10:36:16 37 0
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Wow, they really are painfully slow at everything. The UK's death rate is 5th highest in the world (behind 4 other European countries), but with our vulnerable planned to be vaccinated by end of February 2020, and the same isn't planned until the end of 2020 in the EU, you worry for how many more deaths countries like Belgium, Spain, Italy, and France will suffer :(
29/01/2021 11:45:47 5 0
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Novavax better get in gear with building factories for potential EU demand now then, because once the order is placed them will demand supply very quickly.
29/01/2021 13:33:23 7 0
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I would strongly advise Novavax to pull out of any negotiation. Nothing will satisfy these bullies
29/01/2021 13:39:38 2 0
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we will be challenged on that too I expect...
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29/01/2021 10:23:56 23 4
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The EU were clearly later to agree their deal. They have a question to answer over that delay. However, their concern seems to be that Astra Zeneca aren't delivering what was promised to them in the contract. The only way to clear up the matter is to publish the contract. If Astra Zeneca are telling the truth they have nothing to worry about.
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29/01/2021 10:28:34 18 1
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What about the UK’s contract ? Presumably it supersede s their contract . I believe that would mean we have first call on the vaccine .
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29/01/2021 10:32:12 2 0
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If you are innocent you have EVERYTHING to fear.
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29/01/2021 10:47:37 3 0
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The EU must have a copy of the contracts why not just publish theirs.If there is a privacy clause then this will also apply to Astra Zeneca.They wanted the vaccine manufactured in the EU so if they have manufacturing problems surely that is not our fault.
29/01/2021 11:07:59 1 0
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No need to publish the contract. This will be settled by the lawyers/courts.
29/01/2021 11:27:05 2 0
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How would anyone explain the term 'best efforts' in an enforceable contract? EU failed to clarify that phrase - they obviously were not worried about it at the time. More heads to roll perhaps.
29/01/2021 12:40:12 0 0
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The only people that will gain by this are the lawyers as the contract wording is vague
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29/01/2021 10:24:00 2276 96
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I think any business would fulfil their orders in chronological order of receipt.
Yet the EU expects AZ to bump them up the list even thought they were 3 months behind the UK.
This is flannel designed to deflect their very poor start to their vaccine programme.
So if edelweis' corner shop placed and order with you followed by tesco's two days later you would ensure I was dealt with first? Removed
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29/01/2021 10:28:44 229 4
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And they are not treating BioTech the same despite them having production issues too. The UK sorted out its production issues 3 months ago and was so sensible in arranging new production factories in the country. Thank god this is something we've done really well.
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29/01/2021 10:35:39 18 92
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Not necessarily. In the corporate world money talks and the biggest customer comes first. It's not honourable but it's a fact.
29/01/2021 11:05:35 44 1
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What gets me is that they are screaming for priority on a vaccine they haven't even approved yet!! They are sh***ing themselves because the 2 French vaccines they were relying on have ceased development because they aren't efficient.
29/01/2021 11:11:12 6 34
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In reading the article, it so far "looks" like Astra Zenica have promised to the EU the doses specified without delay or shortfall - contractually. It also "looks" like that AZ are now breaking that contract.

Astra Zenica are in competition with other drug companies, and possibly have bitten off more than they can chew, which "may" cost EU lives.

Hence the EU are annoyed.
VoR
29/01/2021 11:12:45 8 1
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An earlier order might have paid a lower price for a slower turnaround. A later order might have paid a higher price to have faster turnaround. Or substitute turnaround times for ability to flex volume delivered if unforeseen problems in supply arise. Without knowing the details, you probably shouldn't be criticizing either party on this specific issue.
29/01/2021 11:14:18 4 7
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If there was no contract, then yes.

But, in this case there's a contract. If they sign a contract to deliver X million vaccine by a certain date, then that's what they have to do. When the contract was signed is irrelevant.
29/01/2021 11:14:40 9 1
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The EU's set up on this programme has looks really laboured. How can you commit to such a big spend, without VERY CLEAR deliverables and expectations.

The other item on my mind is why the EC is running a MASSIVE vaccination programme across all members States. I would have thought that Countries would be wanting command and control, as opposed to the EC.
29/01/2021 11:25:51 29 1
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We did invest, speculatively, very heavily in the ox-az vaccine, and it's paid off. And then ordered our doses well before the EU did. I'm a remainer but that doesn't blind me to the observation that they are getting very agitated over in the EU over something that's not our fault at all.

The UK has managed vaccine development and deployment better than the EU has.
29/01/2021 11:28:18 14 1
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The EU Commission does not appear to understand the concept of queues
29/01/2021 11:47:06 4 0
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You are on point as the yanks would say and a point as the French would say. This is all flannel to distract from such a poor job done by overpaid civil servants.
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29/01/2021 10:24:20 85 10
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this is the reality of the EU,they needed the UK for our cash and now they are out of there depth,it feels like the KGB in Russia the way they took documents from phiza.
29/01/2021 11:49:58 21 0
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Beware the German special police!
29/01/2021 15:08:24 0 0
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Yep, and i've heard they're moving their HQ to Sicilli!
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29/01/2021 10:24:20 176 12
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Tough EU. The UK wins this round. Go back to stitching us up on trade.
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29/01/2021 10:37:55 10 123
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I am or so sure, if the EU withholds the more efficient BioNTech, Britain is screwed, especially those who wait for a second dose
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29/01/2021 10:50:31 6 36
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We managed to stitch ourselves up by proposing a rubbish deal to appease the brexiteers.
29/01/2021 11:42:16 32 1
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Takes strength to walk away from something that's not working. Macron not allowing a membership referendum in France comes to mind.
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29/01/2021 10:21:58 12 35
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Another platform for EU haters to spout half-truths, when they know nothing more than is printed in the papers
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29/01/2021 10:24:28 10 0
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captain, please do enlighten us as to what you know that isnt in the papers or media?
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29/01/2021 10:24:31 256 10
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Unbelievable. Well maybe not the EU seems to show so much arrogance and wish to control its member states and others.

The UK ordered earlier, the production was put in place. Why on earth should the EU think that the UK should slow down its vaccination programme because of production problems in the EU?
29/01/2021 12:13:23 94 1
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It is no wonder that commerce activity and businesses in the Eurozone are collapsing. The dead hand of turgid bureaucracy rules supreme over there.
29/01/2021 14:40:33 1 0
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Not so simple. It seems to be Germany. Ursula is German, MEP ranting is German & she threatened US. Now US & Germany argue over who funded the Pfizer vaccine. EU backed it over others, BUT EU states want AZ. Germany disses AZ vaccine not long after Pfizers issue in Norway with elderly deaths. More to this than simple EU/UK - Pfizer v AZ with Ursula on side?
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29/01/2021 10:21:43 1518 147
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I seem to remember being explicitly told that the EU was not a protection racket by the usual spambots on here, looks like their EU masters' true colours are shining through
Boring, boring! Removed
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29/01/2021 10:35:09 35 1
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The truth is so hard to accept even when it is slapping you in the face
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29/01/2021 10:38:50 24 3
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The truth hurts does it
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29/01/2021 10:39:50 8 2
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Boring but true!
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29/01/2021 10:27:43 6 2
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what an insightful comment. not.
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29/01/2021 10:42:47 6 3
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Boring because its absolutely correct!!!!!!!! YES it is.
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29/01/2021 10:32:48 2 1
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But true.
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29/01/2021 10:21:55 9 7
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Before anybody starts shouting mouths off, why don't we see the contract. Sure;y that's easy. Anybody who wants any shroud of secrecy to remain must be viewed with suspicion. If the contract shows the EU are wrong then lets see it.
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29/01/2021 10:24:44 8 0
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There are very good reasons why all parties to these complex contracts insist on confidentiality. One party cannot expect to break that to try to support their position in a dispute. If the EU want to challenge the contract they must take it to a court.
29/01/2021 11:45:33 1 0
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Would need to be a World court of some description; can't trust an EU one!
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29/01/2021 10:24:51 156 11
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So if they can bully there way into redirecting UK supplies, is it really ok to have even more deaths in the UK which is already the fifth worst hit country in the world. Shame on you EU.
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29/01/2021 10:55:40 14 119
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Are you seriously trying to pin the UK's atrocious COVID death rate on the EU?
29/01/2021 12:39:50 16 0
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Careful with how you interpret that data. Can you honestly say you believe all countries are as forthcoming with death data and how it's recorded?
29/01/2021 15:01:05 0 0
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We report covid deaths differently, including terminal patients who test positive but were dying anyway and accidental deaths who tested positive 27 days earlier. Our high population density is also a high risk factor, all the EU citizens who have found greener grass?
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29/01/2021 10:24:54 79 5
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Signed in August but when did they actually approve it? Oh wait, they've still not done it? So they wanted a non-approved drug to be shipped into the EU? Sounds a bit dodgy there.
29/01/2021 11:49:22 40 1
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Not dodgy, they just want someone else to shoulder the risk and carry the blame.
29/01/2021 12:32:31 2 0
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I don’t think they actually want the AZ vaccine , I believe it’s an excuse to stop the export of the Pfizer vaccine to the UK and keep it all for the EU
29/01/2021 15:12:21 0 0
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I'm sure a group of Italian 'business men' can provide unlimited amounts of drugs which have not been approved.
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29/01/2021 10:24:55 81 3
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Won't be long before individual EU countries break ranks and order for themselves. The EU policy of being 1 block for the good of all is starting to show big cracks.
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29/01/2021 10:28:57 72 0
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The Germans have already done this with the Pfizer vaccine. They've ordered extra doses above & beyond the EU order. Not surprising as it's made in Germany
29/01/2021 11:23:30 5 0
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Germasny and Hungary have already broken ranks
29/01/2021 11:36:57 4 0
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Hungary already did, bought unapproved russian vaccine last week
29/01/2021 15:09:42 0 0
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UVL wants to take those countries to court for breaching the agreement that it would all be handled by the great EU. Should be particularly popular in her native Germany. A vote winner.
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29/01/2021 10:25:00 102 18
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OH how my belly hurts, not that the poor residents of the EU cant get a vaccine but at the face of Re: maniacs that their ideological house of fun cant get their act together. Thank goodness we left and opted out of the EU scheme which all the remainders gloated and said the UK was a sham and called us little Englanders and inward people. Well your not gloating now are you. Conversely I am,WHOOP !
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29/01/2021 10:29:42 26 56
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Only a plonker would celebrate people not receiving a life saving vaccine.
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29/01/2021 11:35:23 9 0
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Eu-philes have short (or selective) memory, however
29/01/2021 11:36:57 4 0
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Leavers must learn to treat remainers gently. After all we are all British and the like.
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29/01/2021 10:25:01 2 4
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Publishing the contract is an act of transparency.

Everything EU naysayers pretend it isn’t.
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29/01/2021 10:26:48 3 0
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Let the EU go ahead and publish then. They have a copy.
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29/01/2021 10:29:27 0 0
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Unless there is a non-disclosure clause.
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29/01/2021 10:31:09 1 0
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And just how many other companies have been subjected to this? "Commercial, in confidence" is often a termin a contract, and generally an understanding in business.

Publishing a contract may not be an act of transparency but one of betrayal.

It's because the EU can not have any instance which indicates tht Brexit has been advatageous. And to try to cover their own cock-ups, of course.
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29/01/2021 10:25:02 330 14
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Loving the EU's indignation when they don't get their own way.
Like a toddler throwing toys (sorry toddlers).

Unelected & unaccountable.

If you had approved the vaccine earlier, and signed the deal earlier, maybe you wouldn't have to blame others.

I think we might have to get used to the EU blaming everything on the UK.
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29/01/2021 10:30:24 308 13
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Having lived and worked in mainland Europe (unlike most of the starry eyed Remainer-dreamers) they’re fair points.

It’s a cesspool of incompetence, bureaucracy and corruption...well rid.
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29/01/2021 10:51:01 23 0
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Bit like Nicola blaming everything on WM
29/01/2021 11:33:32 10 0
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OK, its partly our fault they don't live under a totalitarian dictatorship - sorry.
29/01/2021 14:20:46 1 0
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The German MEP's rant & threat of a vaccine war, included the US. Germany seems to have instigated Ursula's EU meltdown, question is why? Pfizer can't meet its targets either, could it be Norway has driven the EU demand for the AZ vaccine over the 2 mRNA ones the EU preferred?
29/01/2021 15:45:47 1 0
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Agree
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29/01/2021 10:25:05 1 2
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If you can't actually sue because you made a contractual slip up, publish it - so everyone else who also don't understand contact law, will get off your back...
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29/01/2021 10:21:58 12 35
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Another platform for EU haters to spout half-truths, when they know nothing more than is printed in the papers
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29/01/2021 10:25:06 4 0
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Awwww...... diddums ??
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29/01/2021 10:25:21 3 2
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Have they actually approved the use if the AV vaccine?
29/01/2021 11:12:38 0 0
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no they have not
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29/01/2021 10:25:21 290 7
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"EU Justice Commissioner Didier Reynders has warned of a "vaccine war". maybe the UK wants to start a vaccine war?"

As far as I know, the UK government hasn't said anything about this. Typical EU, blaming someone else
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29/01/2021 10:34:37 11 84
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just listen to Mr Gove
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29/01/2021 10:56:41 18 0
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This EU Commissioner is just confirming their arrogance and ignorance, it's a good UK opted out of the EU Vaccine Procurement last year.
29/01/2021 13:17:02 14 0
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I am unclear also why the UK as a sovereign nation has anything to do with this contract between a commercial company and the EU. Anyone help me with this?
29/01/2021 13:35:59 8 0
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How will the EU win a vaccine war? We've got a vast amount of vaccine production coming on stream over the next year. They are unbelievably stupid if they go down this route. The new plant in Oxford could vaccinate the entire UK in just four months when its open later this year. Then there are the AZ plants,
the Novavax, and Valneva all based in the UK. Moderna is in Switzerland.
29/01/2021 14:29:04 2 0
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But the EU have prevent all wars in Europe, except for those they haven't.
29/01/2021 14:40:48 1 0
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We just need to impose export embargoes the way EU is threatening to.
29/01/2021 14:42:12 1 0
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I thought the Gestapo were already gone!
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29/01/2021 10:20:00 2168 144
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Appears the EU is achieving the impossible - uniting leavers and remainers...
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29/01/2021 10:25:22 205 19
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Yes, quite right that people should unite against bullies.
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29/01/2021 10:44:31 11 65
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Agreed, the bullying behaviour of the UK needs to be met by a united front.
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29/01/2021 10:21:58 12 35
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Another platform for EU haters to spout half-truths, when they know nothing more than is printed in the papers
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29/01/2021 10:25:26 6 1
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That is rich, remoaners have been doing that for 4 years
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29/01/2021 10:25:30 132 9
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EU is just sore because we in UK have managed the ordering better and now that we are not in their camp they cant dictae to us what to do. AXZ should publish the contract to show how incometent EU is. Thank godness we are out. If they start any carryon, we should just impose the same restrictions and limitations on our export of vaccine as they do. Taxi for europe and remoaners
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29/01/2021 10:23:32 4 40
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The eu is completely right, it should block all vaccines to the uk and divert them to the worst hit parts of the eu. Little england needs to know it`s place in the world
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29/01/2021 10:20:05 15 7
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Quite right. If all is above board and transparent why not publish it.
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29/01/2021 10:26:06 8 2
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The contract is probably contains 'commercial in confidence' and 'non disclosure' clauses. The first to publish would then be in breach of contract. That's why the EU wants A/Z to publish.
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29/01/2021 10:26:10 9 5
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So the slick euro machine runs into treacle!
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29/01/2021 10:23:55 312 5
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The UK signed a contract with Novavax for 60m doses in August. The EU are still in discussions with Novavax about procuring vaccine.
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29/01/2021 10:26:10 253 5
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But the EU will demand 1st delivery.
29/01/2021 11:16:10 6 0
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I'm sure they will get a first class delivery in their turn.
29/01/2021 14:38:06 3 0
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Just tell them it's held up with their extra paperwork at the boders!
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29/01/2021 10:26:26 213 10
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'So Brexiters give me one good reason for leaving the EU', is the usual question.

My response.

THIS
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29/01/2021 10:30:14 56 2
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Nice of the EU to be talking about how important it is for the EU to share. Great - fill your boots. In case you haven't noticed...
29/01/2021 12:02:22 1 11
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Good try - but MHRA could have authorised use of vaccines in UK for emergency use for 12 months whilst we were an EU member. Nothing to stop the 27 member states doing the same - which Hungary have done. So you still haven't provided a good reason for leaving.
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29/01/2021 10:21:58 12 35
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Another platform for EU haters to spout half-truths, when they know nothing more than is printed in the papers
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29/01/2021 10:26:31 4 0
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Hi Captain, what is your opinion on how the EU have handled the Vaccine rollout?
Grow up. Removed
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29/01/2021 10:26:32 53 20
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I think you are the one that needs to grow up with your truly fantastic mature comment.
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29/01/2021 10:29:03 19 111
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I would be mature enough to wait to see the the disclosure of the contract. But keep on hating and making xenophobic comments about the EU.
Did you think it fantastically mature for the original comment to say the EU want's British citizens to die so that EU citizens can live?

Is the hate for the EU that strong that that comment is regarded as mature??

Grow up suits a lot of you.

Childish remarks of letting people die.

Grow the f*7k up.
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29/01/2021 10:50:50 1 5
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They deleted my "Grow up" comment.

I am surrounded by children!
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29/01/2021 10:26:33 15 3
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What you want is to use the UK as a scapegoat because you messed up on vaccines as an EU block. Countries within the EU are demanding action, you have to show you are taking action. So, you are using the UK and Astra-Zeneca to do that. You are falling no one with your empty threats. Ask Germany why they did their own side order of vaccines, they are part of the EU, going to criticise them?
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29/01/2021 10:27:50 0 0
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Fooling even
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29/01/2021 10:23:54 250 7
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The Germans want to have their cake and eat it.

I'm not surprised though.

It was Stollen
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29/01/2021 10:26:35 114 3
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Love it. Great to see there is a sense of humour still during these tough times.
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29/01/2021 10:24:00 2276 96
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I think any business would fulfil their orders in chronological order of receipt.
Yet the EU expects AZ to bump them up the list even thought they were 3 months behind the UK.
This is flannel designed to deflect their very poor start to their vaccine programme.
So if edelweis' corner shop placed and order with you followed by tesco's two days later you would ensure I was dealt with first? Removed
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29/01/2021 10:32:12 155 4
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Definitely, especially as the product was made in the corner shop's land, the corner shop placed their order first, and are paying more.
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29/01/2021 10:33:15 192 3
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Yes, because that is the fair way. At present (maybe later today), the EU has not approved the AZ Vaccine, so why should EU expect manufacture & shipping immediately when other countries, e.g. UK approved earlier & is manufacturing, shipping, injecting now.
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Yes I would
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29/01/2021 10:34:57 119 2
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Of course, why would tesco be more important? Are you suggesting tesco lives are more important just because there's more of them! I wonder if edelweis' little shop realise this is a non profit product ??
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29/01/2021 10:43:09 76 4
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The name of Edelweis suggests that their meddling comes from inside the EU and that their self inflicted wounds are hurting!
568
29/01/2021 10:48:50 70 4
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I person of honour and integrity would fulfill the order with Edelweis.

However I suspect that you might not.
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Tom
29/01/2021 10:49:54 25 0
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Any organisation with any ethics would definitely ensure your order was dealt with first.
847
29/01/2021 10:58:36 49 1
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Of course, the Edelweis order would be tiny & only one delivery location, whereas the Tesco order would be larger and probably delivery to multiple sites.

If you go into a shop, select a loaf of bread & another customer comes along wanting two & there is only one left, would you not consider it unjust if the store insisted you hand back the loaf.

EU is behaving like a panic buyer.
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29/01/2021 11:03:48 25 0
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Have you ever studied Contract Law? Big bullies dont tend to win ..
29/01/2021 11:09:18 14 0
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Still can't give it up can you. Ahh
29/01/2021 10:57:05 22 1
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Very silly comment. I presume you do realise that these Big Pharma's are more cash rich than the majority of the EU countries don't you. Yes a row with the EU is not what they want but there is a much wider world out there they can sell to. If they wanted to they could re-locate their EU plants elswhere thus depriving the EU of jobs AND product. Get a grip on reality me old flower!
29/01/2021 10:58:48 5 0
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Of course. Tesco won't be back next week.
29/01/2021 11:12:55 15 0
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Yes. Tesco and other supermarkets are known for placing large orders, slow payment and ultimately forcing supplier out of business as they run out of cash.
29/01/2021 11:25:09 3 0
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Yes
29/01/2021 11:25:29 3 0
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Yes
29/01/2021 11:32:00 8 0
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Yes! However, such a poor analogy...
Remember, this is a vaccine that is not for profit, so your argument falls at the first hurdle!
29/01/2021 11:35:13 0 0
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Yes : if you had an ethical approach to business!
29/01/2021 11:46:02 0 0
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Yes.
29/01/2021 11:51:33 1 0
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I hardly think the UK should be compared to a corner shop.
29/01/2021 11:51:41 1 0
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And then a day later Amazon places an order.

Would you then tell edelweis and tesco to wait in line until the Amazon order is fulfilled?
29/01/2021 11:53:08 1 0
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If there was a shortage of produce, as a manager I would deal with the first orders first- yes.
29/01/2021 11:53:26 2 0
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And here we have 'Peak Vocal Remainer' - big business rules. Let the peasants rot. That's the bottom line.

(I should stress that the majority of all voters are sensible - hence the inclusion of the word 'Vocal' for the irritating and definitely not silent minority).
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29/01/2021 10:21:39 17 13
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A contractual obligation that has already been paid for should be fulfilled.

This is not an EU Vs. Britain story, this is a business competence issue.
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29/01/2021 10:26:48 23 1
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Yeah but the EU want to have their contract fulfilled at the expense of the UK contract fulfillment - a contract that was signed much earlier as the Eu were more worried about driving down costs and getting the vaccines manufactured in the EU. why should the UK pay for their incompetence. Now they are trying to bully us.
29/01/2021 11:47:48 2 0
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Nothing new on the bulling issue then!
51
29/01/2021 10:25:01 2 4
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Publishing the contract is an act of transparency.

Everything EU naysayers pretend it isn’t.
71
29/01/2021 10:26:48 3 0
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Let the EU go ahead and publish then. They have a copy.
72
29/01/2021 10:26:48 77 3
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"European Council is stressing the need for negotiations"

So it will be another four years before they get the vaccine.
73
29/01/2021 10:26:51 80 6
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Wow.. the Eu directorate are starting to sound like a Police state..

THEY will decide for everyone and there will not be any dissent
74
29/01/2021 10:26:53 2 12
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Astrazenca probably cheated.
Why is astrazenca so afraid to publish the contract?
112
29/01/2021 10:29:08 4 1
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Whence comes this blind assertion - hjave you been studying at the school of Trump?
117
29/01/2021 10:29:18 1 0
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Why are you so silly?
144
29/01/2021 10:30:49 1 0
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The EU have a copy of the contract why are they not publishing it or does it have a clause they dont want people to see??????????
155
29/01/2021 10:31:11 0 0
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They haven't said they wouldn't, it is the EU trying to deflect from their ineptitude and get the media to focus on the other party.
323
29/01/2021 10:39:45 0 0
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Because commercial companies never publish these things, if the EU is so sure they have a copy.
75
29/01/2021 10:26:54 5 2
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Ursula von der Leyen, has called for the EU's vaccine contract with drug-maker AstraZeneca to be published If she is that insistant why doesn’t the EU just publish the contract themselves. Anyone who signs a contract always has a copy them selves. Maybe the EU is reluctant due to their claim that AstraZeneca maybe does show a clause that they would try their best to complete by the set date
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29/01/2021 10:29:12 0 0
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Because a contract between 2 parties cannot be freely distributed to all and sundry. There will be information in there that AZ may not want disclosed. Would you be happy if your employer posted your wages to everyone? Or your bank showed your accounts?
184
29/01/2021 10:32:32 1 0
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they are bound by a confidentiality clause
193
29/01/2021 10:33:00 1 0
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Because there will be a disclosure clause so that if the EU publish it without AZ agreement then AZ can say you broke the contract as we don't need to comply with it.
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29/01/2021 10:33:33 1 0
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There is a confidentiality clause in the contract so presumably the EU cannot unilateraly publish it. They are there to protect both sides.
292
29/01/2021 10:38:29 2 1
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Exactly its a bluff, she knows full well that people don't just publish documents like this. Hence she asked for it, and probably lied to boot.
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29/01/2021 10:26:54 31 1
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It is typical that politicians concentrate on the contractual aspects of any problem, reverting to knee-jerk directives and recruiting an army of lawyers to squabble between themselves.

Why not try and work with the manufacturers and try and solve the real problem which is vaccine production, the reality is that more capacity is needed, work to solving that and everyone will be happy.
435
29/01/2021 10:44:01 12 0
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Sensible comment. Thank you.
29/01/2021 12:10:49 1 0
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Why expect a change in the habits of a lifetime. Only the EU could think adding red tape back into border management is a good thing. Maybe they'll find a way to expedite the transport of AZ vaccines from the UK into the EU as well. I think their goods need to sit in the queue and wait their turn, they don't want to do anything for a former member state, why should we accord them special status.
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29/01/2021 10:19:09 2350 150
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Given the EU’s raids on Astra Zeneca sites in Belgium yesterday, does the EU honestly think that a UK/Swedish company are purposefully withholding vaccines.

If Thailand now walked up and placed an order, would they receive their order before anyone else – of course not. Then why should it be any different for the EU.
77
29/01/2021 10:26:58 308 550
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Let's see what's in those contracts, eh?
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29/01/2021 10:30:15 26 6
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They probably don't say that if the manufacturer has production problems that they would be unable to manufacture the vaccines for a short period.
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29/01/2021 10:33:22 275 15
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The EU stated that ‘their contract did not suggest any potential UK priority’.

Firstly, what AZ had agreed with the UK is confidential and nothing to do with the EU.

Secondly, what difference would have that have made, would they have walked away, of course not.
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29/01/2021 10:37:27 61 20
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Why.???
333
29/01/2021 10:40:10 80 3
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If the azn ceo says what he says, and he is the one with the legal risk for the company, he’s either telling truth, or an idiot. I go option 1.
417
29/01/2021 10:43:04 74 3
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The AZ-EU contract said only that AZ should use its "best efforts" to supply the vaccine in the given timescale.
503
29/01/2021 10:29:15 27 1
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they are private. end off.
581
29/01/2021 10:49:09 10 35
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You've hit the nail on the head. Clearly the EU believe their contract with AZ trumps the UK contract in a way that 'first come, first serve' becomes irrelevant, but nobody is saying why. I have heard that the AZ plant in the UK was built with £350m of EU money, and if that's true then they do have a point.
608
29/01/2021 10:50:05 28 9
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Warning to any business thinking of investing in USSEU
What is in our contract with Astra Zeneca is none of the EU's business.
718
29/01/2021 10:41:52 34 1
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These contracts are supposed to be private and confidential, not for full public consumption, so why is the EU insisting on this approach? It tells me they want to deflect blame, but it is absolutely no good just signing a contract, you have to manage it as well which anyone in business can tell you!
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29/01/2021 10:44:46 23 2
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'Best efforts'

The EU are in disarray
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29/01/2021 10:59:25 34 1
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The concept (which apparently eludes the EU) of signing a confidential business contract is that you DON'T disclose its contents to all and sundry - ie AZ's business rivals.
If the EU really thought it had a valid case for breach of contract it could take it to the ECJ.
Instead it is trying bully boy tactics via the threat of damage to AZ's commercial interests.
901
29/01/2021 11:00:53 1 5
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You are depending an awful lot on what you do not know. After publishing, what then?
10
29/01/2021 10:21:39 17 13
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A contractual obligation that has already been paid for should be fulfilled.

This is not an EU Vs. Britain story, this is a business competence issue.
78
29/01/2021 10:27:04 4 0
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The EU hasn't paid for the AZ vaccines, it is an "order of intent" they have signed, as of today the EU hasn't approved the vaccine for use on its people.
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29/01/2021 10:23:32 4 40
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The eu is completely right, it should block all vaccines to the uk and divert them to the worst hit parts of the eu. Little england needs to know it`s place in the world
79
29/01/2021 10:27:05 1 1
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
80
29/01/2021 10:27:08 18 4
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We purchased and our vaccine three months ahead of the EU. Now they are moaning as they didn't sign contracts until August that they should now somehow be given priority. What they fail to accept is the the production delays at two plants in the EU. AstraZeneca have acted with complete integrity. The notion that they should disclose the terms and costs of a UK contract is unacceptable.
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29/01/2021 10:23:36 24 2
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From what I understand, the delay is not 'political', but in production capacity. The plants making the vaccine needed to throttle back production in order to make changes so they could expand overall production volumes a little later. But understandable that everyone wants large volumes as quickly as possible but manufacturers need the physical infrastructure in place to be able to do that.
81
29/01/2021 10:27:12 9 1
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If you are a politician you don't need to understand the production process!
748
29/01/2021 10:54:38 1 0
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True. But vaccine production is a biological process and one that needs high quality control (to keep user confidence high). But you can't just 'magic' high quality production from zero - it needs to be done properly.
29/01/2021 11:43:56 1 1
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Neither do bullies need to understand anything, even with their best efforts.
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29/01/2021 10:27:15 2 8
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I’m reminded of the Prodigal son and the fatted calf. It’s easy to withhold and say we told you so.

But there are old people in Europe who could die and families torn apart because we smugly withheld our surplus vaccines.

We know what the right thing to do is.
127
29/01/2021 10:29:46 3 4
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hang on we did help them in two wars and they still hate us,i know i have lived there.
140
29/01/2021 10:30:27 1 0
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what surplus vaccines?
172
29/01/2021 10:32:00 1 0
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Stick with the drama lessons
410
29/01/2021 10:42:46 1 0
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If the eu regulators follow the German ones then they won’t authorise it for the over 65’s. In which case the older people in Europe will have to rely on the only other vaccine available to them, which is also in short supply.

Oddly enough the eu don’t seem to be threatening those suppliers though.
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29/01/2021 10:33:35 1 0
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What surplus.....when the UK at risk are vaccinated then talk about surplus.
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29/01/2021 10:23:32 4 40
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The eu is completely right, it should block all vaccines to the uk and divert them to the worst hit parts of the eu. Little england needs to know it`s place in the world
83
29/01/2021 10:27:22 1 2
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Get back under your bridge, Troll.
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29/01/2021 10:27:25 10 4
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The good news is that we now have an additional UK vaccine coming on which is very effective. The bad news is that we are still paying the EU £billions even though we have left. And now this!
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29/01/2021 10:30:04 3 2
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American
34
29/01/2021 10:23:32 4 40
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The eu is completely right, it should block all vaccines to the uk and divert them to the worst hit parts of the eu. Little england needs to know it`s place in the world
85
29/01/2021 10:27:27 1 1
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What has this got to do with England.
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29/01/2021 10:20:00 2168 144
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Appears the EU is achieving the impossible - uniting leavers and remainers...
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29/01/2021 10:27:35 221 24
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Even the most pro-remain Guardian readers are horrified by how they are behaving.
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29/01/2021 10:45:14 6 25
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Total rubbish.
29/01/2021 11:19:14 2 24
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No they’re not. They’re horrified at how the multinational, mega rich Astra Zeneca are behaving.
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29/01/2021 10:27:36 2 5
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So many comments, so few that get the big picture.
Even if the UK were to vaccinate everyone first it’s absolutely zero use when international travel is still allowed in significant ways, virus mutations are still occurring and we’re not sure whether we’ll need an annual round of vaccinations.

And obviously for COVID and so many other conditions we rely on EU drugs coming the other way
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29/01/2021 10:33:39 2 0
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Maybe it's you who doesn't get the big picture. Vaccination may not prevent catching or transmitting the virus but it does drastically reduce serious effects and hospital admissions. How is that "zero use"?
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CPJ
29/01/2021 10:34:50 0 0
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So what your suggesting is the EU will refuse to supply life saving drugs for Cancer Diabetes etc in a tit for tat manner. Should they choose to do this would it be to the whole world or just the UK. The UK is not the only country producing the O/AZ vaccine. Why do they only speak about the UK
510
29/01/2021 10:31:33 0 0
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Does the EU not get it then? If the vaccines arent available then no one will get them, the UK keeps the ones we ordered the EU tries to bully someone else into handing theirs over
Grow up. Removed
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29/01/2021 10:27:36 112 12
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sounds grown up to me - the opnly people not grown up are the apologists for the EU. And I speak as a Remain voter.
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29/01/2021 10:27:39 139 8
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Can we honestly sign an agreement with the EU and expect the EU to keep to it. This shows us that you cannot negotiate with them fairly. The EU is an unelected organisation which expect other sovereign nations to treat it as a sovereign nation (which it is Not). The EU uses bully boy tactics to extract from other nations. I don't expect the EU to honour any contracts!
29/01/2021 12:25:46 74 1
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It never honours democratic elections that go against it either. It is a vile cesspit of despotism.
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29/01/2021 10:22:49 751 132
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Its amazing how quiet the re-moaners are regarding how the EU have reacted regarding the vaccine
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29/01/2021 10:27:41 648 58
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It is also amazing that some on here will defend the actions of the EU over their poor behaviour.

Confirms the confirmation bias.
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FF
29/01/2021 10:30:53 29 49
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How about waiting to see the disclosure of the contract. So much hate towards the EU. Leavers are sickening.
VoR
29/01/2021 11:16:29 3 2
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Or the ability to wait for accurate info before forming an opinion based on sound bites from parties who themselves have a bias?
29/01/2021 11:35:45 3 3
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AZ contracted to deliver X million vaccines, and now say they can't. And somehow in the heads of leavers that is the EU's fault?

Too many people on here today have been reading the gutter press, and soaking up all their spin and lies. They're still feel they need to stick the knife into the EU at every opportunity. They're still pushing for Brexit, even though we've left!
Tim
29/01/2021 13:16:36 1 1
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Yes, I can confidently confirm confirmation bias. You think that Remainers (actually Rejoiners now) will blindly defend the EU on this issue and therefore trawl the comments section for posts to that effect, and find some, because irrational behaviour is not only the province of the Leave side. The EU is behaving poorly. Would you like 100,000+ reasons why I consider them the lesser of two evils?
29/01/2021 13:35:04 1 1