Coronavirus: Germany set to limit AstraZeneca jab to under-65s
28/01/2021 | news | world | 5,216
German vaccine officials say there is not enough data about the jab, which is widely used in the UK.
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28/01/2021 14:51:11 18 63
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Frankly, the EU doesn't need the vaccine as much as the UK, because for the most part their governments have been competent and their populations cooperative, unlike the UK.
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28/01/2021 14:53:02 11 4
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They won't be getting much in the short term anyway.
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28/01/2021 14:53:18 0 11
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Except Spain, Italy, Germany, and a few others.
Admittedly, we are rhe worst, or close to it, anywhere.
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28/01/2021 14:53:33 13 1
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Tell that to the Belgian, Italians, Swedish, French and Portuguese and see what kind of response you get.
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28/01/2021 14:55:08 7 3
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Why does the EU seem so desperate to get hold of it then - to the extent of threatening to ban exports of EU-made vaccines?
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28/01/2021 14:56:46 6 1
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You clearly haven’t been to France or Italy recently.
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28/01/2021 14:58:01 14 2
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So a sign of competent governance is being slow to order and slow to approve a vaccine?

The EU had this one chance to show that it do a better job than it's 26 members could on their own. And yet they've failed, probably due to their own bureaucratic inefficiencies. Now they can look forward to the member states squabbling like brats over the scraps they do get.
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28/01/2021 14:58:03 13 2
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Which is why their vaccine roll out is poor ! Have a word with yourself and open your eyes at the EU at the same time. Riots in Netherlands , yes very cooperative.
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28/01/2021 14:58:09 17 2
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Triangle, I suspect you dont live in the EU. Here even in France the press are livid. There are no articles saying, 'it's ok people we dont need it as much as those incompetent Brits', quite the reverse, generally the French think the Brits have played a blinder on this one.
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28/01/2021 15:02:26 7 0
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Really so the EU as some sort of magical power that means it citizens don't need vaccinating like the rest of the world.

I have a feeling EU citizens don't agree with you, they are probably more likely to put their faith in common sense and medical science.
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28/01/2021 15:03:57 1 3
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Good job they don't !! Cod they are not getting ours!!
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28/01/2021 15:13:58 4 1
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Add up the total EU deaths from covid then you will be aware that the EU death toll is rapidly increasing.
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28/01/2021 15:16:28 2 0
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Did you not see the anti-lock down marches in Germany? Thousands marching together.
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28/01/2021 14:51:22 4 10
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And why do I have an opportunity to comment regarding this?
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28/01/2021 14:54:47 12 3
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Don't comment. if you are not interested.
You presumably have a mind lf your own
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28/01/2021 14:51:28 15 22
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I wonder what the German scientists know that the British scientists don't?
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28/01/2021 14:53:18 51 6
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Probably that they’ve messed up on the ordering and don’t have enough. German efficiency
Probably that to avoid economic meltdown they're willing to write off their OAPs.

Their choice. Leaves more for us.
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28/01/2021 14:55:31 13 3
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Its political posturing to appease critics about the diabolical roll out in the EU and how late they have been in placing orders. Nothing to do with efficacy, its all about covering backsides
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28/01/2021 15:10:31 2 5
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It's all politics now. You can't trust anything anyone is saying.

Take the "UK variant" as an example. Apparently it is much more infectious - that immediately gives Boris something to hide behind. Now the mess the NHS is in isn't his fault. The UK variant was only IDENTIFIED in the UK, it didn't necessarily originate there - the horse has bolted but travel bans put the blame on someone else.
28/01/2021 17:31:49 0 0
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Nothing, but they're trying to make out they do. The mortality figures for the over 65s there that will soon spiral out of control will answer your question, just be patient.
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28/01/2021 14:51:11 18 63
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Frankly, the EU doesn't need the vaccine as much as the UK, because for the most part their governments have been competent and their populations cooperative, unlike the UK.
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28/01/2021 14:53:02 11 4
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They won't be getting much in the short term anyway.
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28/01/2021 14:51:11 18 63
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Frankly, the EU doesn't need the vaccine as much as the UK, because for the most part their governments have been competent and their populations cooperative, unlike the UK.
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28/01/2021 14:53:18 0 11
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Except Spain, Italy, Germany, and a few others.
Admittedly, we are rhe worst, or close to it, anywhere.
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28/01/2021 14:51:28 15 22
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I wonder what the German scientists know that the British scientists don't?
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28/01/2021 14:53:18 51 6
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Probably that they’ve messed up on the ordering and don’t have enough. German efficiency
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28/01/2021 14:51:11 18 63
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Frankly, the EU doesn't need the vaccine as much as the UK, because for the most part their governments have been competent and their populations cooperative, unlike the UK.
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28/01/2021 14:53:33 13 1
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Tell that to the Belgian, Italians, Swedish, French and Portuguese and see what kind of response you get.
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28/01/2021 14:53:33 6 50
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Full EU export controls on Pfitzer BioNtech vaccine required ASAP. EU citizens have to be looked after first. Britain imposed ban on covid related medicines back in 2020. Astra lies in the faces of EU officials.
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28/01/2021 15:03:07 23 2
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So, the vaccine is no good, they have not approved it, but they want all ours, even after dithering around for three months after we funded the research and generally cocking up the whole vaccination process themselves.
French vaccine has been given up on- too hard for them to manage.
What a shocking bunch- and yet we still have people in this country who think they are wonderful!
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28/01/2021 15:03:08 9 1
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"Britain imposed ban on covid related medicines..." That is the truth, unfortunately not the whole truth. Britain only placed an export ban on products manufactured and intended to be placed on the domestic market so that parties acting on behalf of 3rd nations couldn't out bid the NHS and divert supplies. No restrictions were placed on medicines intended for the export market.
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28/01/2021 15:04:34 10 1
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What ban was that? We ordered 3 months before the EU and approved the vaccine quicker... the EU still hasn’t approved it. It’s the other way around EU officials are the liars.
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28/01/2021 15:07:05 2 2
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Rubbish. We don’t ban anything. You are confusing us with Donald Trump.
28/01/2021 16:47:59 2 0
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EU Myth Buster?

I recommend a name change.
28/01/2021 18:31:28 1 0
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Must be nice to invent your own reality
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28/01/2021 14:53:53 205 12
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I'd quite like to know what "insufficient data for those over 65" means.
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28/01/2021 14:56:46 332 37
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It means they're throwing a tantrum
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28/01/2021 14:58:23 13 5
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They didn't test it on enough of them.
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28/01/2021 15:00:42 11 4
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Google statistical significance.
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28/01/2021 15:05:58 14 7
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Insufficient means 'not enough / inadequate'
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It means that don’t want to look any further.
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28/01/2021 15:13:44 6 22
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It wasn't tested on the over 65s. Fact.
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28/01/2021 15:30:37 3 3
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The Norwegian deaths?
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28/01/2021 15:33:28 0 1
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data held up to congested port chaos because of brexit ,so will be running 2 minutes late
28/01/2021 16:01:33 4 0
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It means there wasn't enough cases in those >65 in the placebo or vaccine groups to infer efficacy. The UK regulator have gone with the approach that the early phase data showed similar antibody and cell responses in the elderly so efficacy will also most likely be similar. Germany wants more cases to have accrued in the elderly before it approves it in 65+ which is fair enough.
28/01/2021 16:19:57 0 0
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not enough over 65s in the Oxford AZ trial for their liking
28/01/2021 17:01:47 0 0
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Simple. Not enough testing done over a long period. Normally most vaccines take years of clinical tests before approval. How long have you been around.
28/01/2021 17:09:53 0 0
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There were few participants of that age in the trials. A relative figure. Just mean they will get the Pfizer one instead
28/01/2021 17:28:03 1 0
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It means that in the trial, very few over 65s were in the tests compared to the lower age ranges. So they have almost no information concerning the over 65s. It is the reason why the UK authority held back on its approval. In the end they made a wise move, to say that even if the benefit was possibly low, it was a benefit none the less, as the vaccine was not dangerous.
28/01/2021 17:46:56 0 0
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These are clear words. Which one don't you understand?
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28/01/2021 14:54:13 4 39
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Thats what happens when you rush something out for money,hahahahahaahhahahaha, dont say you weren't told,hahahahahahahahahahahahah
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28/01/2021 14:57:45 15 5
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Just ask the French ?? AZ vaccine is the cheapest made at cost. How much does the German one cost again? HAHAHAHA
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28/01/2021 15:02:49 1 1
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AZ is doing this at cost ...
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28/01/2021 15:04:19 2 4
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Erm the UK has order 100 million of these so no point laughing at EU. Egg is on our face!
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28/01/2021 15:05:44 1 1
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The AZ vaccine is sold not for profit. £3 a shot.
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28/01/2021 14:54:14 340 33
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Are they abandoning the over 65's so they therefore wont need as much Astra Zenica so if other European countries are doing the same the zillions of doses they dont really need so what is the EU bleating about. Wait your turn like the rest of the world is having to us included, but we ordered some 3 months prior to yourselves
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28/01/2021 14:58:03 98 315
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They'll be using the Pfizer one for old people, I expect. The one that is much more effective.
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28/01/2021 15:02:55 20 30
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Sorry your nationalist / division propaganda is lacking facts again. They aren't abandoning the over 65's they are simply stating the Astra Zenica vaccine (which appears to be least effective of vaccines on offer) does not have enough data yet to suggest it is effective on the over 65's, therefore the 'better' / proven vaccines will be focused on that group.
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28/01/2021 15:05:02 7 33
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By the way.. the UK has ordered 100million of these possibly unsuitable vaccines..
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28/01/2021 15:47:10 1 64
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They, like the USA, will be using the one that works. Covid Vaccines the history of British and German manufacturing in a microcosm. the German one works the English one might work if you're lucky.
28/01/2021 16:24:01 4 2
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"Are they abandoning the over 65's so they therefore wont need as much Astra Zenica"? No they're building case to receive more supply of Pfizer based on their population of over-65 compared to other EU countries over-65 population. Unless of course EC EU body decides the case for all EU countries is only under 65. And the "what" should an EU country decide otherwise. EU Federal State Dictatorship.
28/01/2021 16:59:02 3 0
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Presumably they will get the Pfizer one then.... now that wasn't hard to work out was it really !?
28/01/2021 19:28:59 0 0
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Pitiful. Grow up.
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28/01/2021 14:54:36 67 9
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Couldn’t give it they wanted to as still not approved
28/01/2021 15:59:47 7 1
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Yeah they can, Hungary is giving the Russian one.
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28/01/2021 14:54:38 235 13
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There does not seem to be an even distribution of “EU” vaccines amongst member states
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28/01/2021 14:58:02 43 161
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Each state and country runs and orders its own vaccine program. That is how EU operates though obviously they can combine their voices to give them a louder voice on global scene which is what they are doing now.
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28/01/2021 15:00:33 20 5
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Living in Ireland as I do I can assure you that you are quite correct.
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28/01/2021 15:01:16 30 4
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Is anyone surprised ? The EU is run by Germany and France for Germany and France .
28/01/2021 16:27:58 1 0
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Because Germany decided to ignore EU rules and bought its own supply of Pfizer jab out of frustration with the EU vaccination program. Of course Ursula told them off for breaking the contract they'd signed.
28/01/2021 17:00:23 2 2
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To paraphrase George Orwell, "All states are equal, but some are more equal than others" (even though most of these "states" are actually sovereign countries that the EU is trying to force to become a mere "state" in the Fourth Reich, the dis-United States of Europe)......................
28/01/2021 18:03:27 0 0
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The EU haven't even approved it yet, by the way. That little bureaucratic hurdle is still going on.
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28/01/2021 14:51:28 15 22
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I wonder what the German scientists know that the British scientists don't?
Probably that to avoid economic meltdown they're willing to write off their OAPs.

Their choice. Leaves more for us.
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And why do I have an opportunity to comment regarding this?
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28/01/2021 14:54:47 12 3
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Don't comment. if you are not interested.
You presumably have a mind lf your own
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28/01/2021 14:51:11 18 63
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Frankly, the EU doesn't need the vaccine as much as the UK, because for the most part their governments have been competent and their populations cooperative, unlike the UK.
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28/01/2021 14:55:08 7 3
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Why does the EU seem so desperate to get hold of it then - to the extent of threatening to ban exports of EU-made vaccines?
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28/01/2021 14:51:28 15 22
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I wonder what the German scientists know that the British scientists don't?
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28/01/2021 14:55:31 13 3
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Its political posturing to appease critics about the diabolical roll out in the EU and how late they have been in placing orders. Nothing to do with efficacy, its all about covering backsides
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28/01/2021 15:04:02 1 4
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You do realize this is coming from scientific advice?
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28/01/2021 14:55:36 69 11
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Interesting recommendation and the fact it comes out of Germany should make us ask some questions.

From a non-expert view; the fact these have been developed at speed but likely off a well trusted and proven base formula, my personal confidence is very high these will reduce the number of worst case outcomes - Death.
28/01/2021 16:09:31 11 6
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UK regulators have taken the approach that early phase data showed responses were very similar in the elderly vs younger participants so they approved it on the grounds that efficacy is unlikely to decrease significantly based on the efficacy of other vaccines not suddenly dropping of a cliff at >65

Germany want confirmation of efficacy in >65 plus, which is also perfectly reasonable
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28/01/2021 14:55:38 7 16
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If AZ have some production restrictions then it would be reasonable to scale back all their delivery contracts.
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28/01/2021 14:56:04 303 10
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I guess that solves a problem, no point creating a potential trade issue with the rest of the world over a delivery of something you are not going to use on the people who need it most
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28/01/2021 16:23:04 176 8
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Yes Indeed. The UK is so far ahead because we are already using the Astra vaccine. The EU hasn’t even approved it despite its highly effectiveness in all age groups, as published in the Lancet.
28/01/2021 16:29:18 12 1
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Well given it is "Germany" and NOT EU one should not speak too soon. In anycase, EU will still continue with their "blinkered" thinking to mask their own incompetence at not allowing Germany and others ordering sufficient supplies for their three nation's requirements three months earlier.
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28/01/2021 14:56:31 671 38
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Germany not getting as many AstraZeneca vaccines as they should, having been part of the EU buying scheme.

Next, German scientists say that there's not enough evidence of the effectiveness of the AstraZeneca jab in the over 65's so they don't need as much.

Funny how these things pan out....
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28/01/2021 15:12:43 262 35
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Playing with people's lives, though

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28/01/2021 15:35:15 10 6
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The day after they relaise thet wont be getting as much AZ vaccine, they say well we didnt want it anyway. I think everybody with a brain can see through this one. Thank god UK are not tied to EU anymore. The best example yet of why we are better to make our own choices.
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28/01/2021 15:38:44 6 3
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Are you suggesting that the scientific body that regulates vaccinations in Germany is being influenced to act in a certain way by that country's politicians? If so, do you think that might also have happened here?
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28/01/2021 15:40:25 10 3
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They need to counteract the Norwegian reports on Pfizer & elderly deaths, because the EU countries now want AZ vaccine, they also say it is cheaper and easier to store, but timing over the retracted false reports on AZ efficacy from Germany & Euronews expanding reports don't help. German MEP actually threatening vaccine trade war! US also takes a hit - the EU has gone insane!
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28/01/2021 15:53:30 14 0
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They also said they were not getting enough of the Pfizer vacine so purchased extra ahead of the queue. Then Israel got it's lot ahead of the queue so the rest of the EU and us had deliveries reduced - strange the EU don't mention that.
28/01/2021 16:49:18 2 0
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Astra Zeneca have open.y acknowledged and clearly stated that their testing regime concentrated largely on younger people, specifically those under 65...
28/01/2021 16:55:27 1 2
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Why the hell don't they do there own vaccine and stop "getting at" those who are BETTER than them
28/01/2021 17:55:21 0 0
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Look at India - manufacturing their own vaccine to Oxford Astra formula & population vaccination well under way.
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28/01/2021 14:51:11 18 63
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Frankly, the EU doesn't need the vaccine as much as the UK, because for the most part their governments have been competent and their populations cooperative, unlike the UK.
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28/01/2021 14:56:46 6 1
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You clearly haven’t been to France or Italy recently.
28/01/2021 17:13:21 0 0
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France Dec 46% said they would take the vaccine Jan 52% said they would take the vaccine. Italy biggest anti Vacers in the EU. It`s not going to be getting hold of a vaccine that will be the issue getting into people will be the biggest fight.
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28/01/2021 14:53:53 205 12
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I'd quite like to know what "insufficient data for those over 65" means.
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It means they're throwing a tantrum
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28/01/2021 15:10:22 17 2
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no. It means there is insufficient data that the vaccine works well for the over 65s.
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28/01/2021 15:49:40 1 0
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so the USA are throwing a tantrum too?
28/01/2021 16:22:48 0 0
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I'm sure it's just a coincidence but might mean that the problems the EU were having with their preferred supplier equals some countries won't need as many doses as first feared.

Basically, a fuss about nothing.
28/01/2021 19:32:46 0 0
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And what are you throwing. More anti EU rhetoric.
Getting rid of the over 65`s. Mind you Germany does have a history of getting rid of people they don`t want. Removed
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28/01/2021 14:59:10 2 2
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Banned in 5,4,3,2,1...……..
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28/01/2021 15:00:21 0 9
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No that is the UK under the Tories
We have already done that 100,000 and still counting. But Boris will be pleased as all these older people won't be getting their pensions thanks to his behaviour. Removed
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28/01/2021 14:57:05 756 86
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Insufficient data simply means they want more data ... well the UK will happily provide its and show that Germany just made its worst error yet in the Covid saga.

Not only has the EU been negligent in its vaccination program it is now limiting the use of a AZ's.

Mark this as a day Germany made a big big mistake.
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From where ? The Brexiteer's English exceptionalist fantasy land?
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And when the UK provides data that shows it actually works on the over 65s, I'm sure the German regulator will make a different decision.
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Germany .... and the EU as a whole !
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28/01/2021 15:03:28 19 18
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It's quite simple really. They're using the Pfeizzer vaccine for the over 65s (which is actually proven to be more effective) and the AZ vaccine for the under 65s. I don't really see how that decision can be labelled as a 'mistake'.
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28/01/2021 15:13:29 14 15
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Er. No. It just means they will use their quota of AZ vaccine on younger people .... and using the proven to be more efficent vaccines for older people. Seems more than sensible.
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28/01/2021 15:13:38 21 7
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Yep, they are compounding slow response to securing Vaccine with ineptitude EUSSR junta super-state politicking - and now the best vaccine to distribute being denied to those who need it most - at a time when vaccines are now going to be in short supply for them.

There will be death on their hands.
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28/01/2021 15:12:35 17 38
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But not as big a mistake as exceeding 100,000 deaths even though Germany has a larger population?
28/01/2021 16:01:41 3 1
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Yes...should have some quite strong data based on fewer people dying by April!
28/01/2021 16:05:02 5 7
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Well their death rate is less than the UK so Johnson and his band of brown noses have clearly made more.
28/01/2021 16:07:44 5 5
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Hmm.

Deaths in Germany are half the UK but with double the population.

The big mistake is thinking the UK has done well with this.
28/01/2021 16:10:39 3 3
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Incompetent rather than negligent I would say

Administratively deficient would be the most correct phrase I suspect

Still the best defence against Covid is to stay healthy (not get fat really) rather than hope for a vaccine
28/01/2021 16:33:00 5 2
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We possess some of the finest scientists and most brilliant medical minds in the world.

They looked at the stats and gave the nod.

The EU's handling of the vaccine has been a shambles.

Angered member states are now looking to the UK who have broken free of such red tape and are perhaps wondering the unthinkable?
28/01/2021 16:20:09 1 2
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And perhaps reflect on how lucky we are to be getting the German Biontech/Pfizer vaccine manufactured in Belgium!
28/01/2021 16:48:11 2 0
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Astra Zeneca have clearly stated that their testing programme was mainly with younger people, they openly acknowledge this...
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"Mark this as a day Germany made a big big mistake".

Basil Fawlty: Don't mention the war!
28/01/2021 16:51:16 1 2
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So where is the data. Why is it not in the public domain. Israel has its doubts as well. Still we British are always right.
28/01/2021 17:06:13 0 1
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This strikes me as rather sinister.
28/01/2021 17:21:34 3 0
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“Mark this as a day Germany made a big big mistake.”
I think we can all agree Germany making a big mistake is not unprecedented.
28/01/2021 18:02:25 0 0
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And not the first...remember 1924 and 1939!
28/01/2021 18:15:25 1 0
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Big big..... very Trumpian in its use of childlike emphasis.
Therefore very very very suspect.
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Great story . Does this mean the eU will do what the Germans say? Everyday the EU shows why we voted out. Even the luvvies and Lords cannot think of a reason to support the EU joke.
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Please try not to be silly. Everyday the sheer stupidity (and worse) of running away from the EU becomes more apparent.
It’s an experimental ‘ vaccine’ and we are guinea pigs Removed
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28/01/2021 15:03:13 30 133
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Amazing what leave voters grasp on to in order to justify the complete disaster that Brexit has become. Sad that this is seen as the only positive of Brexit. Not even on the side of a bus
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28/01/2021 15:31:48 8 1
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Lord Adonis will not give up, see Julia Hartley-Brewer on talk radio this morning. pitiful
28/01/2021 16:27:02 9 0
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Pretty much so - that's the way the EU rolls.

Germany calls the shots and everyone else falls in line.

Kind of sounds familiar doesnt it?
28/01/2021 16:49:42 0 1
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Has it entered your mind they could be right. No of course not I will always agree with Boris
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28/01/2021 14:57:22 1682 173
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So the EU say AstraZeneca must divert stock from the UK to honour is contract, meaning they don’t honour the UK contract!! Even though our contract was agreed some 3months earlier. It’s beyond believe, really puts a very bad light on the EU commission.
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You have no idea what's in any of the contracts.
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What is beyond belief is that people post inane comments such as this. Interesting idea that the timing of a contract gives it precedence over other contracts, love to see that one tested. And whether or not the stock is manufactured in the UK is irrelevant.
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28/01/2021 15:21:40 10 2
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Israel has an agreement with Pfizer to provide data on the vaccination roll out across the age groups. Germany has said lack of AZ data means they cannot approve it for over 65's yet. Perhaps the UK are providing data to AZ for this age group so AZ cannot limit supply to the UK
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28/01/2021 15:27:07 1 13
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In which case AstraZeneca give back the millions towards their mew plant, NOW!
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28/01/2021 15:32:30 6 0
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I bet they never actually said any of these things being reported in that way. And I bet contracts with private companies don’t stipulate which factory delivers to which customer.
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28/01/2021 15:40:54 26 1
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The EU are acting like old school bullies, arriving at the party late and expecting the table to still be full of food. How on earth can a company be expected to deliver on a contract when the product in question has not been approved for use?! What would they do if it doesn't get approval, or has it been approved by scientists and they're just waiting on all 27 members of the EU to agree to it?
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And on top of that the EU say they DO NOT believe in first come first served!! they look like idiots!!
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28/01/2021 15:50:15 2 10
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Thats not how contracts work, its not first come first served. Production also doesn't matter its AZ selling doesn't matter if produced in EU or UK. You serve the biggest customer generally, unless you can't legal which isn't there case here, AZ are playing a dangerous game.

Imagine if it was the UK that wasn't getting its vaccines, I'm sure you'd be arguing for them to supply the UK?
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It all depends on whether or not AstraZeneca have declared Force Majeure on their supply. If so then they must "fairly" distribute what stocks they do have. However, if the haven't done this (possibly because they are not in breach of any contract with the EU) then they are under no such obligation. In the absence of anyone knowing what's in the contracts it's all just speculation.
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28/01/2021 15:53:44 2 16
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Wait... You're saying that the EU are wrong for holding a private company to task due to the private company's mismanagement of production?

I can absolutely guarantee if the shoe was on the other foot Brexiteers would be blaming the EU on all our woes.
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28/01/2021 15:54:56 2 2
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That is irrelevant. You cannot legally break one contract just because you have another one that has to be honoured.
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28/01/2021 14:57:42 1194 124
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So trying to throw doubt on the efficacy of a vaccine to cover their own failing with respect to their sytem of ordering and clearing for use. Nice.
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28/01/2021 14:59:48 207 503
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So the German regulators are lying when they say it hasn't been tested on enough over 65s?
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28/01/2021 15:22:13 22 43
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Not just the Germans. There are number of holes in the testing of this vaccine. The following is worth a read. https://thedispatch.com/p/is-the-us-holdup-of-the-oxfordastrazeneca
Australian studies show only 8% efficacy for over 65s. So you are slagging off the Aussies as well? Removed
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28/01/2021 15:52:28 24 2
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Uh-huh, totally agree. Fastest way to calm their population if they’re unhappy about the progress of vaccination is to tell them the vaccine’s a dud anyway.

For us, it makes no difference. In the most vulnerable groups, the choice is straightforward: take whatever protection the vaccine can offer to lower the risk of ending up on a ventilator or don’t. It’s not a difficult choice.
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28/01/2021 15:55:28 7 0
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While the EU are certainly playing the spin game I don't think this is part of it. The UK regulators are perfectly right in their assessment that the early phase data means that it will almost certainly work in ages >65 however the German regulators are perfectly justified in wanting confirmation.
28/01/2021 16:02:59 1 8
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What a ridiculous jingoistic accusation. The Germans are simply being cautious and tbh with new vaccines I'd rather be a follower than a first mover.
What I find curious is that Astra Zeneca have not yet published first indications data on the efficacy and safety of their vaccine for the priority groups in the community that have now been immunised. Surely to goodness this is being monitored?
cjp
28/01/2021 16:14:44 4 1
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They don’t say that efficacy is poor. They just say there insufficient information to make a decision as far as they are concerned
28/01/2021 16:15:50 1 0
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Its normal that different regulatory authorities have different views on clinical studies . In the case of all the covid vaccine studies they have been accelerated and so the German authorities have simply said we don't think there are enough over 60s in the study come back when you have more. Not unusual not a big deal. AZ will be performing so-called phase 4 studies to provide additional data
28/01/2021 16:17:15 0 0
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Absolute rubbish what a narrow minded attitude.
28/01/2021 16:36:44 0 0
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uhm no, in the UK the AZ is still under unapproved emergency use authorization and in Europe they get a approval. There is a difference there.
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28/01/2021 14:54:13 4 39
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Thats what happens when you rush something out for money,hahahahahaahhahahaha, dont say you weren't told,hahahahahahahahahahahahah
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28/01/2021 14:57:45 15 5
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Just ask the French ?? AZ vaccine is the cheapest made at cost. How much does the German one cost again? HAHAHAHA
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28/01/2021 15:02:04 2 3
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It gives 90% protection. Unlike the AZ one's 60%. So, it seems you get what you pay for
I propose changing the name of the EU to 'Land of the Sour Grapes' Removed
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Whereas UK is now known as the Vacci-Nation
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Jim
28/01/2021 15:16:41 21 6
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I would change it to Greater Germany and just have done with it.

Germany runs the EU, I just find it so very hard to believe that the ideologues have allowed them to get away with it. Even the euro does massive favours for Germany, lower exchange rates than possible with their national currency, whilst harming the poorer states
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28/01/2021 15:22:46 20 4
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I guess the Germans are covering their backside. Too late to buy AZ vaccine. So say it’s not tested for over 65’s so we don’t really want that much of it.
This looks better than “we were too late ordering it”
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28/01/2021 15:28:54 6 4
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pity they dont have elections
28/01/2021 16:06:41 1 0
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Truly
28/01/2021 16:12:40 3 19
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Most people were brainwashed by propaganda in the referendum run up. The 4 vile english newspapers continue to bash the EU, in case momentum to rejoin builds. The global elites agenda, as carried out by Rupert Murdoch, has a stranglehold on the UK - Most will never begin to understand this, let alone accept it. As is illustrated by mostly over 50 white English men, in HYS here.
28/01/2021 16:15:33 4 1
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I propose changing the name of the EU to "Federal State Dictatorship"
28/01/2021 17:11:13 2 0
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Axis powers would be more appropriate
DJG
28/01/2021 17:33:02 0 0
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or is that just for France?
28/01/2021 19:27:27 0 0
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Time will tell.
28/01/2021 19:49:06 0 0
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Ye right.Send in the warships
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28/01/2021 14:51:11 18 63
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Frankly, the EU doesn't need the vaccine as much as the UK, because for the most part their governments have been competent and their populations cooperative, unlike the UK.
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28/01/2021 14:58:01 14 2
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So a sign of competent governance is being slow to order and slow to approve a vaccine?

The EU had this one chance to show that it do a better job than it's 26 members could on their own. And yet they've failed, probably due to their own bureaucratic inefficiencies. Now they can look forward to the member states squabbling like brats over the scraps they do get.
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28/01/2021 14:54:38 235 13
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There does not seem to be an even distribution of “EU” vaccines amongst member states
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28/01/2021 14:58:02 43 161
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Each state and country runs and orders its own vaccine program. That is how EU operates though obviously they can combine their voices to give them a louder voice on global scene which is what they are doing now.
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28/01/2021 15:03:59 27 1
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That’s exactly what it hasn’t done! They have agreed to an EU procurement programme.
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28/01/2021 15:04:28 29 0
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Incorrect. The EU vaccine procurement program is centralised.
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28/01/2021 15:12:07 15 0
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They got blocked on doing that though.
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28/01/2021 15:15:21 12 2
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Well they may think they have a louder voice, but they just lost nearly a third of the volume on 1st Jan!!!
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28/01/2021 15:21:54 18 1
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The states may run their own vaccine programmes but if you look at the facts the EU distributes the vaccines to each member state on population not on needs of country.
666
28/01/2021 15:35:30 3 1
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no, each state can only buy outside from non eu countrys other wise they are 3 months behind like the rest of eu
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28/01/2021 15:43:40 30 2
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No, Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands ordered their own vaccines and were then ordered by the EU commission to cancel this and be part of an EU order. Which was a lot later.
Which partly explains why Germany is trying to calm its citizens by saying the Oxford A/Z vaccine isn't so good for older people , so don't get upset you can't have it.
Fake news!!
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28/01/2021 15:49:48 1 0
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NO they do not! The Commission buys the vaccine on behalf of all member states. As to how it dispenses however would not appear to be in any way equal and far to all 27.
28/01/2021 15:56:21 2 0
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Why then is the Dubliner claiming the EU Commission told the Irish they couldn't try and buy direct from the UK?
28/01/2021 16:13:00 0 0
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No, Netherlands have none.( or almost none)
28/01/2021 16:32:50 2 0
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No it doesn’t. The Eu did the deals on behalf of all states and the vaccine is shared on population basis. Germany and a Couple of others started but then stopped to be part of the Eu scheme
28/01/2021 16:40:58 0 0
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That's an interesting thought and one that I've had in the broader context of trading. We don't buy or sell anything from the EU, the trading is between individual companies. That will apply to all the new "deals" that Liz Truss has signed up too. I have personal experience of products being banned by the EU even though their standards were higher than those of the EU.
ken
28/01/2021 16:58:04 4 0
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Not so. They allowed Brussels to take over and, surprise surprise, Brussels messed up!
28/01/2021 17:01:57 0 0
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No no no belogical. Each EU country runs and orders its own vaccine program FROM EU STOCKS THAT EU ORDERS FROM SUPPLIERS COLLECTIVELY ON THEIR BEHALF AND IS SUPPLIED TO EACH EU COUNTRY BASED ON "POPULATION" ACROSS ALL EU COUNTRIES.
28/01/2021 17:02:53 0 1
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Disastrously I would add.
28/01/2021 17:40:42 0 0
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WRONG on 13th june reached an agreement with a group known as the Inclusive Vaccine Alliance, germany, holland, france and italy, based on the agreement with the UK. BUT the EU insisted that the Inclusive Vaccine Alliance could not formalise the deal. The EU took over and this caused the delay to august. Pathetic really.
28/01/2021 17:50:42 0 0
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No they don't
28/01/2021 17:54:38 0 1
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Um no, there issue is that they all agreed to let the EU negotiate the contact for the entire block of 27 nations, and also have the issue that none of them can even use a vaccine until the EU allows them to.

Which is why they are months late in contracts, approvals and ultimately vaccine supplies.

This noise from the EU commission is just an attempt to cover up their own ineptitude.
28/01/2021 19:21:55 0 0
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Completely & utterly false & you know it.

Individual EU vassal states are NOT allowed to order their own vaccines.

Stop trying to cover up for your beloved EU's incompetence & bureaucratic sluggishness in organising vaccine supplies.
28/01/2021 21:16:21 0 0
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Actually EU co-ordinates supply and distribution for all 27 states.... In Latvia where I live (UK Expat) - the Vaccine situation is a disaster because of EU. It even got to the point of Health Minister threatening to resign because she was not allowed to buy the vaccine she considered appropriate
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28/01/2021 14:51:11 18 63
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Frankly, the EU doesn't need the vaccine as much as the UK, because for the most part their governments have been competent and their populations cooperative, unlike the UK.
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28/01/2021 14:58:03 13 2
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Which is why their vaccine roll out is poor ! Have a word with yourself and open your eyes at the EU at the same time. Riots in Netherlands , yes very cooperative.
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Are they abandoning the over 65's so they therefore wont need as much Astra Zenica so if other European countries are doing the same the zillions of doses they dont really need so what is the EU bleating about. Wait your turn like the rest of the world is having to us included, but we ordered some 3 months prior to yourselves
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28/01/2021 14:58:03 98 315
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They'll be using the Pfizer one for old people, I expect. The one that is much more effective.
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28/01/2021 15:05:13 21 4
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They can’t enough of that either, they turned down the offer of extra stocks from Pfizer and placed an order with Sanofi instead, which doesn’t have a vaccine yet.
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28/01/2021 15:26:41 14 0
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Yes, when they can get enough supplies of that.
True, it prevented 33 Norwegians from catching not only covid, but anything else ever again, and the 33 are all that we know of, there reputedly are others around the globe. No wonder the sudden demand from EU members are for the AZ vaccine not Pfizer's or, the other 'experimental' mRNA vaccine from Modena. Now EU have lots of them ordered, but not so much AZ. Not good for the EU or Germany. Removed
28/01/2021 15:56:31 5 2
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If that's the case by the time they get it, then get around to injecting it most of the over 65's will be dead.
28/01/2021 16:00:35 11 2
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is that the vaccine they haven't got enough of; EU should read Aesop's fables - the one about the fox and the grapes who when couldn't reach them to eat said "I don't want them, they are sour anyway".

Moral: don't say you don't want something just because you can't have it
28/01/2021 16:25:54 6 1
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"The one that is much more effective."? No. More like "the one being produced in German facilities". It's called "protectionism".
28/01/2021 16:26:33 6 0
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Not necessarily. The Pfizer jab only reported symptomatic cases. The AZ pcr tested everyone and picked up asymptomatic cases. So the efficacy rates are not comparable.
28/01/2021 16:27:52 1 1
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Assuming that they can store it, transport it, defrost it and inject it without killing anyone.
28/01/2021 16:59:56 0 0
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Could well be.
28/01/2021 17:05:48 1 0
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Where is your evidence to say ‘much more effective’?
28/01/2021 17:04:51 2 0
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This is correct for here in The Netherlands.
28/01/2021 17:20:18 0 0
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I hope not. Because it isn't. Getting mine on Saturday and praying for OA.
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28/01/2021 17:34:37 1 1
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And much more expensive, difficult to store, large profits for companies, oh, and just reduced numbers by 15-20% coming to UK due to problems in Belgium? EU hypocrisy of the highest order!
28/01/2021 17:45:52 0 0
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You " expect " !
28/01/2021 17:53:57 0 0
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but the Pfizer one is a DNA vaccine, the sort which has NEVER previously been approved for use ANYWHERE on this planet. FACT.
28/01/2021 17:57:35 1 0
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Please stop this misinformation. You are being very irresponsible.
28/01/2021 18:09:30 0 0
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Given Pfizer did no research on how effective their vaccine was at reducing symptoms and preventing death in older people while AZ did, I don't know how you can declare that it's more effective. The way AZ's figures were calculated was different to Pfizer's and when you examine both in fine detail, there's not much between them - oh, except manufacturing, transportation and storage costs
28/01/2021 18:24:37 0 0
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That's great ..... if they're not already dead. Hope you're not near any job dealing with deadlines
28/01/2021 18:35:19 0 1
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Your arguments are so funny please don't stop. It's as if at every turn the EU is right and the UK government and it landslide public vote victory are wrong. When offered facts you simply say it isn't true. You've been told for years about the EUs lumbering ability to put things into action and then they prove it infront of your very eyes..... but still you argue. Funny Funny Funny but blind
28/01/2021 19:14:05 0 1
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Your claim is an outright lie.

Funny how often EUrophiles lie whenever it suits them yet still ban on about a slogan on a bus...
29/01/2021 01:06:53 0 0
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As far as I'm aware there is no peer revued data for Pfizer, adequate science to show production of immune response in older people and an ethical reason for lack of participants in older age groups for AZ. You might expect the German authorities to expect larger numbers of older people to be given a placebo instead of vaccine with increased risk of death.
There is ample precedent.
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28/01/2021 14:51:11 18 63
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Frankly, the EU doesn't need the vaccine as much as the UK, because for the most part their governments have been competent and their populations cooperative, unlike the UK.
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28/01/2021 14:58:09 17 2
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Triangle, I suspect you dont live in the EU. Here even in France the press are livid. There are no articles saying, 'it's ok people we dont need it as much as those incompetent Brits', quite the reverse, generally the French think the Brits have played a blinder on this one.
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28/01/2021 14:58:10 22 8
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We demand something we won't use!
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28/01/2021 14:59:17 5 15
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Use for the over 65s. Did you even read the article?
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28/01/2021 14:58:17 95 11
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But its good if you are 64? more for us then!
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28/01/2021 15:01:09 71 11
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or better still 64 year, 364 days 23 hours and 59 minutes ... welcome to the illogical world of pharmaceuticals
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28/01/2021 15:11:13 6 0
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Yes 64 and 364 days old and you are good to go with the AZ vaccine according to the Germans, but it stops being effective if given on your 65th birthday.
775
28/01/2021 15:44:02 2 0
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Except, it's not "more for us". Germany will still be using the stocks it's ordered from AZ but just in its under 65s rather than those over 65.
28/01/2021 15:58:36 2 1
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well actually the USA is refusing to approve it due to the results in over 55s.
28/01/2021 16:14:47 0 0
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??
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28/01/2021 14:53:53 205 12
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I'd quite like to know what "insufficient data for those over 65" means.
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28/01/2021 14:58:23 13 5
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They didn't test it on enough of them.
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28/01/2021 15:15:17 18 1
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The test population only included 8% over 65. They’re simply asking for more information to be confident that it’s efficacy is sufficiently high to protect the vulnerable. Until then they’ll use the PZ vaccine. Wouldn’t we do the same if we were unsure?
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28/01/2021 15:49:59 1 1
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The Norwegians are not the only country in Europe wondering just how much Pfizer's test results on the elderly can be trusted. The problem is the EU ordered the mRNA 'experimental' vaccines, but (after Norway?) due to price & difficulty storing them EU countries want the AZ & EU hasn't licenced it or ordered enough. So Germany & EU threaten a 'vaccine war' as German MEP is quoted on Euronews.
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28/01/2021 14:58:49 1358 323
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Thank God we left the EU!
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28/01/2021 14:59:42 789 205
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Well said!
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28/01/2021 15:05:46 33 96
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Don't be silly.
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28/01/2021 15:14:24 21 68
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Thanl God bullies left the EU
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28/01/2021 15:17:08 33 18
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Its very early days .. We are nowhere near the end game on Covid. Maybe next time it will be the UK looking for extra supplies from the EU.
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28/01/2021 15:21:26 28 60
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Do Brits not like sharing available vaccines with others?
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28/01/2021 15:27:51 12 26
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Are you enjoying all those scallops?
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28/01/2021 15:29:51 21 32
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Yep! Having paid more than twice the price every other country did for the Pfizer Biontech vaccine we did great!
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28/01/2021 15:33:34 6 4
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It has nothing to do with God, despite his principle agent on Earth now living in Florida.
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28/01/2021 15:40:34 3 36
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Yes. Now we can rip people off by taking their money and failing to provide the goods as promised, while selling on those goods to another paying customer! Why did we never consider just accepting orders we have no intention of fulfilling and getting paid twice before? Our Brexit economy will be roaring ahead! Another victory for UK industry!
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28/01/2021 15:46:01 45 12
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I voted to remain but fair play, brexiteers made the right call.
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28/01/2021 15:52:01 30 6
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When people say give me one good thing about leaving the EU you will be able to say "we were able to organise our own vaccination programme to save lives"
Rob
28/01/2021 15:56:28 2 8
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Thank God HYS allows people to sound off without effect.
28/01/2021 16:02:35 3 14
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Fishermen, hauliers and musicians, students or anyone else wit knowledge of the outside world would disagree with you.
28/01/2021 16:04:15 1 8
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Really
28/01/2021 16:20:16 3 9
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Garbage.
28/01/2021 16:28:47 4 17
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Everything is an anti British plot from the EU with you lot isn't it?
This is in fact a very complicated and nuanced contractual debate between the EU commission and a UK-Swedish company, but that won't stop the usual HYS crowd from whinging about the EU
28/01/2021 16:17:07 4 2
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Thank god we are getting the German Biontech/Pfizer vaccine manufactured in Belgium!
28/01/2021 16:37:26 3 6
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??? You may recall that we were still under EU rules when the vaccine was approved and first administered in the UK. The EU cannot stop a state authorising a medical product for emergency use, and it didn't. We could have gone ahead with the AZ vaccine even if Brexit had never happened.
28/01/2021 16:39:43 2 5
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Britain should have been in the EU right from the beginning...we would be running it by now, rather than Germany and France
28/01/2021 16:42:22 1 3
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Hopefully I won't be meeting Him pretty soon to thank him. If I do I'll ask him why he didnt help make a vaccine that works on the over 70s.
28/01/2021 16:42:51 3 5
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Shame we cant leave you
28/01/2021 16:46:39 2 7
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Why?
28/01/2021 16:55:24 4 2
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And they still are trying to shaft us
28/01/2021 16:59:28 2 1
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One success as it is clear the EU has made a hash of vaccination. However lets count that against the fish rotting in lorries, people losing their jobs, the fact that US banks can operate directly in EU market so cutting the city out, the mountains of red tape, etc. So plenty of downsides. Lets also be honest as if we were in the EU we would have refused to join anyway!!
28/01/2021 16:51:25 1 9
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So...you "thank god' we have a vaccine that is, at best, 67% effective with the UK approved regime, and unknown efficacy in over 65s.... rather than the mRNA vaccines of the type approved for use elsewhere having been properly assessed and approved by both EU and US regulators (unlike AZ at this point) and have 95% effectiveness?
Yep. You're a brexit voter!
28/01/2021 17:06:42 1 0
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You do realise that two of the plants that manufacture key parts of the vaccine are in the EU????
28/01/2021 17:14:30 1 4
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Like ALL brexiteers you dont know what you are talking about....a contract is a contract and as Johnson said about his 'frinds' in the eu, the UK doesnt need the EU but it does as some of the AZ VACCINE IS MADE there prooving that we DO NEED THE EU!!!!
Germany version of how to commit genocide based on Medical science Removed
Getting rid of the over 65`s. Mind you Germany does have a history of getting rid of people they don`t want. Removed
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28/01/2021 14:59:10 2 2
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Banned in 5,4,3,2,1...……..
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28/01/2021 14:58:10 22 8
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We demand something we won't use!
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28/01/2021 14:59:17 5 15
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Use for the over 65s. Did you even read the article?
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28/01/2021 15:02:08 3 1
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But the over 65s are the population most at risk and the population that will be vaccinated first. So what’s the point of kicking up a stink about not getting their AZ vaccine supply now?
28/01/2021 16:24:31 0 0
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They'll use it, the EU has discovered they backed the wrong horses, their members (other than Germany I guess) are wanting the AZ vaccine, not the mRNA ones the EU favoured, even so the response of the Germans and the EU is over the top, I'll keep reading Euronews to see if Norway has spooked the other countries regarding the mRNA vaccines.
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28/01/2021 14:58:49 1358 323
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Thank God we left the EU!
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28/01/2021 14:59:42 789 205
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Well said!
28/01/2021 16:19:52 1 4
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Typical. What happens if the Germans are right
28/01/2021 17:08:19 1 4
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It does play into the hands of you little Englanders some what
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28/01/2021 14:59:45 26 6
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Just as an extra thought ... if we followed Germanys lead on data being limited on the AZ vaccine, will Germany also restrict all other medications not fully tested on over 65's but prescribed every day.

Germany will be in one hell of mess when it bans all the Covid vaccines on children ... after all who tests new meds on children ?
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28/01/2021 14:57:05 756 86
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Insufficient data simply means they want more data ... well the UK will happily provide its and show that Germany just made its worst error yet in the Covid saga.

Not only has the EU been negligent in its vaccination program it is now limiting the use of a AZ's.

Mark this as a day Germany made a big big mistake.
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28/01/2021 14:59:46 138 697
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From where ? The Brexiteer's English exceptionalist fantasy land?
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28/01/2021 15:13:26 50 16
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We are all brexiteers now. We have left that protectionist , vindictive sudo country behind .
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28/01/2021 15:26:59 39 3
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Nice French username. Totally fine to use whatever name you want.

But deriding the English with a French name on a UK site sort of undermines the impartiality of your slanted words.
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28/01/2021 15:37:07 9 5
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Try Euronews, it ain't looking good, the more Euronews prints the more it looks like an attempt of damage limitation for Pfizer and the Norwegian vaccine deaths that weren't vaccine deaths. EU leaned toward Pfizer & Modena, now EU countries want AZ - go read Euronews, better articles than the BBC on this.
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28/01/2021 15:39:00 20 6
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hahaha we're laughing at the remoaners who just don't get it.

We're out we're free and we are getting the vaccine.
EU land is in complete disarray.

And remoaners said leavers were thick.

Hahaha
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28/01/2021 15:43:24 5 0
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How do you know he is English, you are as bad as the people you describe the way you do!
28/01/2021 16:24:07 5 1
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No from the disaster that is the EU vaccination 'plan' which is failing Europeans.
28/01/2021 16:26:55 2 0
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What has brexit for to do with it?
28/01/2021 16:31:48 2 0
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From the data gathered from the more than 8 million people, mostly over 65, who have already been immunised in the uk.
28/01/2021 16:34:06 5 2
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The EU is a fantasy land, now rapidly turning into dystopia.
28/01/2021 16:51:52 4 0
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No, the information is freely available in Germany on their media.
Germany has troubles of its own within the EU, because it has not supplied some of the other EU nations with a share of vaccine as agreed in Brussels. (Our BBC political editors missed that then).
28/01/2021 16:52:29 0 3
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Agreed but you wasting your time. Anyone who cannot see through Johnson's lies haven't got a clue.
28/01/2021 17:12:31 2 1
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Errr.....from the 6 million case studies already available in the UK??
28/01/2021 17:16:13 1 0
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Zyclon B.
28/01/2021 17:33:58 4 1
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You may well laugh and jest, but your country France reneged on the agreement to look at the massive farming subsidies your country steals every year, yet claim to be good Europeans. I voted to stay in the EU, but recent childish remarks from Europe makes me wonder if I was right. We are the first, but will not be the last to leave the EU.
28/01/2021 17:40:25 2 1
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I'd rather live in our vaccinated land than suffer under the boot of EU bureaucrats who delayed signing a deal with AZ for literally no good reason and now european people are suffering.
28/01/2021 17:50:51 2 0
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Fool!
28/01/2021 18:06:43 2 0
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How many people have been vaccinated in EU so far? What percentage is that of population? Madrid area has stopped vaccinating, no supplies. Compare to UK numbers and you will see you're in EU fantasy land, they are letting you die with their incompetence
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28/01/2021 14:57:42 1194 124
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So trying to throw doubt on the efficacy of a vaccine to cover their own failing with respect to their sytem of ordering and clearing for use. Nice.
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28/01/2021 14:59:48 207 503
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So the German regulators are lying when they say it hasn't been tested on enough over 65s?
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28/01/2021 15:09:59 145 41
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yes they are, it is tested in older people in that group but not in large enough numbers for them to be satisfied with. This just smacks of a reluctance to approve the UK led vaccine, it simply dislikes the fact the UK has moved quickly and the german pfizer vaccine which is expensive and tricky to store is made less useful than the UK one.
Germany wants pfizer profits, not a UK charitable jab.
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28/01/2021 15:10:14 93 3
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If that is what they’re saying then yes. There was a concern that in the clinical trials only 8% were over 65 which was misreported as only 8% efficacy by some in the German media. AZ has strongly refuted theses claims.
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28/01/2021 15:10:52 72 9
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No, but not doing a test does not mean the vaccine has no efficacy.
All dogs have 4 legs, does not mean all animals with 4 legs are dogs. Equally, because you've only seen white swans does not mean black ones cannot exist.
I know it's tricky to understand, but we still give you a vote for some reason.
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28/01/2021 15:32:24 52 17
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No they are covering up their mismanagement and if they say they cant use it on old people it means the fact they wont be getting as much as they ordered they can simply say well we dont need it now. They are covering thir own failings so blatantly.
579
28/01/2021 15:33:03 29 3
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You don't have to lie to manipulate the truth.
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28/01/2021 15:34:56 42 5
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The published claims on AZ & elderly were withdrawn quickly enough when AZ threatened legal action ;-) PS This is driven by Europe's states wanting the AZ vaccine not Pfizer & Modena, which EU heavily invested in. They claim because it is cheaper & easier to store. The fact Germany bring up 'elderly' shortly after Norway & Pfizer had to defend 33+ deaths as not Pfizer is just a coincidence?
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Bob
28/01/2021 15:51:32 12 2
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Put it this way. Two days ago Germany said reports about it's ineffectiveness in the over 65 group were misleading. Now they've said this.
But the Germans have form in testing over 65s trouble was their testing was to destruction. I know I've visited the camps. Removed
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28/01/2021 15:53:49 0 0
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Define enough
28/01/2021 15:57:03 16 2
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pretty much, because they are lying by omission. In that they are ignoring the other evidence from studies show the over 65s have a strong immune responses to the vaccine. After receiving the shots their blood has plenty of the required antibodies that can fight coronavirus. The EU delays have caused all the problems they are having across the EU. They are trying to divert attention from this
28/01/2021 16:05:11 3 0
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Pretty much .
TAN
28/01/2021 16:13:08 3 0
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Yes
28/01/2021 16:17:21 0 0
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Thats just a silly statement, it hasnt been tested enough on anyone by normal standards, these are exceptional circumstances. Perhaps you you should spend more time reading than trying to live up to your user name.
28/01/2021 16:20:34 1 0
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It has been tested in our care homes and over 80's. Pin prick blood tests show a good response. There were not enough elderly people in the phase 3 trials.
28/01/2021 16:21:38 3 0
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Depends on how much testing they want. There's just been a few million in the UK.... phase II trials showed a very good antibody response in the elderly. Still if the German's don't want it that's ok with me. More for us !
28/01/2021 16:23:52 1 0
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What percentage of over 65's was the Moderna and Pfizer vaccine tested on? To three decimal points please...
28/01/2021 16:25:39 0 0
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That’s not what they said is it. They said not enough data. That’s different to ‘not been tested enough’. And besides, there are many other ways to determine efficacy.
28/01/2021 16:27:41 1 0
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It is difficult to tell from the Lancet paper, as the age group is 56-69., which is an odd way to group ages. The numbers are very low compared to 18-55.

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2820%2932661-1
28/01/2021 16:32:19 0 1
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Fair point, but lets face were all lab rats for this vaccine anyway time will tell how effective it ultimately will be.
28/01/2021 16:35:13 0 0
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Its an opinion that now the rest of the EU have to accept
28/01/2021 16:37:32 0 0
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No fase 3 vaccine trails have 65+ people on board!
28/01/2021 16:46:23 0 0
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No they aren’t. The developers acknowledge that their testing was mainly on younger people.
28/01/2021 16:48:13 0 0
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Please go and read the story again. Read it carefully, this time
28/01/2021 16:48:31 0 0
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No vaccines have been tested enough on the over 65's or any groups that are actually in danger or death from C19

And that because you really need to have a comorbidity to be at risk and it would unethical to include those people in trials
28/01/2021 16:48:46 0 0
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are you a EU supporter by any chance. I suggest you do one!
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28/01/2021 14:57:17 941 171
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Great story . Does this mean the eU will do what the Germans say? Everyday the EU shows why we voted out. Even the luvvies and Lords cannot think of a reason to support the EU joke.
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28/01/2021 14:59:56 274 1084
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Please try not to be silly. Everyday the sheer stupidity (and worse) of running away from the EU becomes more apparent.
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28/01/2021 15:07:52 115 12
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You must have missed the bit when the EU stated last week they have law making powers? Directly in contradiction to what remain told us in 2016!
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28/01/2021 15:10:49 107 16
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No need for arrogance anymore mate. You lost!
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28/01/2021 15:11:51 122 14
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If you don't think this situation doesn't reflect incredibly badly on the EU, then you are either a liar, or a 'silly' person Nick. Perhaps both.
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28/01/2021 15:12:10 109 14
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Why would anybody say that having witnessed the vindictive and aggressive behaviour of the EU , in particular the Germans(who run it in case you hadn't noticed).
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28/01/2021 15:14:49 114 13
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Delusional. This fiasco just shows how right the UK were to get out. Mark my words this fiasco will see a change in the eu. I have family and friends in France and we will wait to see how macron does!
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28/01/2021 15:14:58 19 5
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???
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28/01/2021 15:25:17 13 4
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So what is todays apparition?

By your own words.
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28/01/2021 15:29:57 87 5
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Ask the Dubliner if they are so sure, the EU commission, according to the Dubliner told Ireland that they cannot approach the UK direct to try and source the AZ vaccine. This is a vaccine war, started by the EU possibly at the behest of Germany (German MEP stirring it up on Euronews) because the AZ vaccine is fast becoming the favoured one, ostensibly because it is cheap & easy to store? Norway?
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28/01/2021 15:35:34 33 1
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Why is that in any way accurate since this posturing and threats show the exact opposite? if we we still in the bloc, vaccine roll out would still be locked up in the European Council who have I think have yet to approve the vaccine they are currently complaining about.
774
28/01/2021 15:43:49 27 3
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Sorry who is being silly. PLEASE feel free to emigrate.....
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28/01/2021 15:49:32 16 1
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True enough, although the EU hs done its utmost to show that everything its detractors have said is correct.
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28/01/2021 15:54:09 1 0
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Or in the vaccine procurement
28/01/2021 15:56:32 10 1
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If we were still in the EU we would be in the same S%&t show they are in getting vaccines... we are at this moment "covid" better out
28/01/2021 16:02:45 7 0
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Yes, we would much rather the EMA calling the shots at their leisurely pace it's not like there is an emergency or anything to get these vaccines approved
28/01/2021 16:09:40 2 0
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Nope
28/01/2021 16:09:58 0 17
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Most people were brainwashed by propaganda in the referendum run up. The 4 vile english newspapers continue to bash the EU, in case momentum to rejoin builds. The global elites agenda, as carried out by Rupert Murdoch, has a stranglehold on the UK - Most will never begin to understand this, let alone accept it. As is illustrated by mostly over 50 white English men, in HYS here.
28/01/2021 16:13:36 1 0
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So you would quote the AZ situation as the first at a guess more remoaner ing
28/01/2021 16:23:31 10 0
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Does it ? Not to me. 11% vaccinated in UK 2% EU. Brexit giving Nissan a competitive edge. CAP removed and farmers paid for turning their fields over to wildlife. Live animal exports to be banned. Lots of benefits for the UK.
28/01/2021 16:26:24 6 0
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Mostly it does. However in this case, I think the EU are shown in a terrible light. Childish even.
28/01/2021 16:30:05 7 0
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Why? Literally not being part of this Eu farce will save countless lives in the uk.
28/01/2021 16:30:38 1 0
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Treatment is available don't worry
28/01/2021 16:31:08 6 0
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Get a life and live in the real world. Go and live in the EU if you don't like it.
28/01/2021 16:32:50 7 0
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Only in the view of embittered Remoaners.
28/01/2021 16:37:22 1 0
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Yes I can't buy from Europe on line OH DEAR.
28/01/2021 16:43:19 0 0
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Yeah, like digging an escape tunnel.....
28/01/2021 16:48:16 3 0
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In what way? are we any worse off today than any other country in the midst of a pandemic? are we not ahead of the EU on procuring vaccines and rolling them out? come on then, lets hear it from the Corbynites mouth!
28/01/2021 16:51:41 5 0
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in what way? The EU is now showing what its about. I top heavy totalitarian organisation. They Bully and threaten to get their own way. They are as dangerous as China. Or is it right they want to put an embargo on goods is a so called free market!
28/01/2021 16:51:41 2 0
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Another inane post so quickly after the last one. Well done, you are on form today.
Tim
28/01/2021 16:58:22 3 0
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You are not being serious! Project fear has completely failed to materialise, as many know would be the case. The few problems there have been are merely the exception that proves the rule.

That is the problem with always quoting worst case scenarios, they tend never to happen.

This is exactly why so many voted to leave. This sort of nonsense has been going on for years. It's nothing new.
28/01/2021 17:08:54 4 0
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No it doesn't. And we're neither silly nor stupid (or worse). You however are pretentious and a EU sycophant.

In fact our prudence in making the decision to leave becomes glaringly obvious. If it's that great, don't let us stop you, move there and don't ponce any Covid vaccinations before you go, they're for British citizens, not EU excusers.
28/01/2021 17:11:26 2 0
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Running away from the EU???
That's not in any way what the UK did, so why say it?
28/01/2021 17:16:54 2 0
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Huh??? Explain please....
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28/01/2021 14:57:22 1682 173
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So the EU say AstraZeneca must divert stock from the UK to honour is contract, meaning they don’t honour the UK contract!! Even though our contract was agreed some 3months earlier. It’s beyond believe, really puts a very bad light on the EU commission.
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28/01/2021 15:00:04 395 1026
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You have no idea what's in any of the contracts.
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28/01/2021 15:04:25 251 13
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Neither does anyone else, the EU is refusing to publish them. The one they have published is heavily redacted and lacks ALL detail. The Commission has threatened legal action against AstraZeneca after their CEO disclosed that the contract was 'to the best of their ability' rather than binding.
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28/01/2021 15:05:50 196 24
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And neither do you, but won't stop you commenting will it?
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28/01/2021 15:09:49 153 17
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Nor do you.
However, even the EU-adoring BBC reported the position by the AZ CEO stated the contract was "best effort"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55836463
"In an interview on Tuesday with Italian newspaper La Repubblica, AstraZeneca CEO Pascal Soriot said the contract compelled it to make its "best effort", rather than obliging it to meet a set deadline for delivery of the vaccines"
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28/01/2021 15:10:03 230 8
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Neither have you, but as the EU was 3 months behind on ordering and as it is their Dutch and Belgian plants that have the problems why moan at UK? PS Pfizer had issues too, EU don't mention that Italy & Poland are suing Pfizer - so why aren't the EU suing AZ? Maybe the French CEO was right when he slammed the EU's complaints as being baseless & an excuse to deflect from their failures?
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28/01/2021 15:12:38 138 3
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The above is as stated by the CEO of AZ. You would assume he knows what is in the contract!
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28/01/2021 15:13:09 118 8
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400 chars - useless!! Then if you care to read Euronews the EU is now having issues because they chose Pfizer's vaccine first, many EU countries won't accept it because it is too expensive & difficult to store, so want AZ' EU didn't order enough & Norway's warning re Pfizer's vaccine & the elderly has sparked off Germany they reported false figures for AZ & had to retract. EU blame US too!
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28/01/2021 15:16:44 19 2
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but neither do the EU...
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28/01/2021 15:16:59 19 0
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Nor do you ??
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28/01/2021 15:17:37 15 1
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No but he knows they exist and the Scottish Government blabbed by putting details in its vaccination plan on its website, later removed.
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28/01/2021 15:26:53 21 1
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nor do you ,ist come first served , a bit like germans putting towels on sunbeds
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28/01/2021 15:34:01 53 2
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And nor do you. If the EU thinks that AZ has broken the contract, then they have the courts to pursue the company. What people are objecting to is that the EU is making demands and threats. What's wrong with normal contract dispute procedures?

There is a bullying culture in the Commission and, to most reasonable people, it is not a good look.
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28/01/2021 15:38:40 13 1
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nor do you and your moniker is spot on
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28/01/2021 15:40:40 18 1
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If you read what the French CEO said to Italian media it is very honest and shows the EU is posturing to hide their own incompetence.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/27/eu-covid-vaccines-row-astrazeneca-boss-reveals-problems

So much politics in this even with the Germans down playing rival vaccines as they know -70oC is a nightmare unlike Oxford/Astrazeneca not for profit option.
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28/01/2021 15:48:36 21 1
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Well on the basis what the ceo of azn has said, and he’s the one with the legal risk, I’d go with his version.
871
28/01/2021 15:49:27 7 1
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Actually we do and I suggest you google the recent interview with AZ.
872
28/01/2021 15:49:30 4 0
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Yes I believe NDO
28/01/2021 15:57:13 4 0
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And neither do you, so this is all face value
28/01/2021 16:00:22 4 1
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Neither does the EU.
28/01/2021 16:00:43 4 1
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That's not likely to deter his prejudices!
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28/01/2021 15:00:08 20 2
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These vaccines are now the new crude oil: a commodity different powers and companies must have to function and want to control production and supply.

This behaviour has many negative ramifications for international relations and it's in everyone's interests some cooperation exists somehow.
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28/01/2021 15:21:51 20 5
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Tell the dithering EU. Their language on this is disgusting. "We demand", "export ban", "trade war". These are quotes from their aggressive, arrogant "leaders".
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Em
28/01/2021 15:00:14 21 3
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The expression "member of the club and benefits thereof” seems to spring to mind.
Getting rid of the over 65`s. Mind you Germany does have a history of getting rid of people they don`t want. Removed
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28/01/2021 15:00:21 0 9
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No that is the UK under the Tories
I can just see merkel in the bunker scene with the rest of the eu servants lol Removed
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28/01/2021 15:05:13 4 0
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And that's part of your problem. You can't see anything beyond the WW2 comics you were brought up on. The rest of the world has moved on, time Quitters did the same.
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28/01/2021 15:00:28 1157 125
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We can't use your nasty British vaccines, but we still want them just to stop you having them! Childish? Bullying? Absolutely!
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28/01/2021 15:13:40 361 79
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It's too sinister

yet typical
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28/01/2021 15:28:45 6 43
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What about: AZ vaccines have been paid to AZ by EU, which are receiving only 40% of what they order. Does it look like a good image for UK Company?
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28/01/2021 15:41:48 6 33
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They want what they paid for. If we're not intending to honour the contract, we shouldn't have accepted their money in the first place.
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28/01/2021 15:44:43 6 14
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Such a stupid comment. Childish? absolutely. They will use them on under 65s. Need to learn to read.
28/01/2021 16:03:31 3 8
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Eh? Kindergarten finished early?
28/01/2021 16:36:02 1 3
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couldn't have put it better
28/01/2021 16:37:10 2 11
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I never thought people would stoop so low to suggest such a nation would come up with something out of spite. Now I know why the UK is in such a mess. Must be Boris in disguise.
28/01/2021 16:42:49 0 0
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Consistent !
28/01/2021 16:43:32 3 8
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Boring Brexiteer Numpty
28/01/2021 17:11:11 5 1
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Its beginning to feel like the UK is Julia Roberts in "Sleeping With the Enemy". The EU is the vindictive and spiteful ex who is literally trying to kill us as punishment for leaving!
28/01/2021 17:18:06 1 1
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What a stupid comment. If the Eu restrict the AZ vaccine for the over 65's doesn't mean they are not needed for the rest.
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28/01/2021 17:23:39 1 1
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Wilful misinterpretation of what has been said, Of course they want the vaccine, it is OK for younger people on whom it has been fully tested.
28/01/2021 17:42:13 1 3
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Xenophobia really does bring out the worst in some people. Sad.
28/01/2021 18:05:17 0 0
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I'd be cautious about "bullying" claims: that implies we're the weaker party here. Are we? Despite all the posturing on this HYS, we don't know, because we haven't seen any of the contracts.
29/01/2021 00:32:52 0 0
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The EU do want to use the AZ vaccine, but they want their fair share.
29/01/2021 02:10:48 0 0
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https://fullfact.org/health/german-astrazeneca-8-percent-handelsblatt/

Bit like what newspapers do here, on caravans of migrants, EU laws, trade...
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28/01/2021 14:54:38 235 13
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There does not seem to be an even distribution of “EU” vaccines amongst member states
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28/01/2021 15:00:33 20 5
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Living in Ireland as I do I can assure you that you are quite correct.
28/01/2021 18:29:14 0 0
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Really? I live in Ireland, too. Ireland is joint-fourth in EU for percentage of population vaccinated.
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28/01/2021 14:53:53 205 12
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I'd quite like to know what "insufficient data for those over 65" means.
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28/01/2021 15:00:42 11 4
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Google statistical significance.
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28/01/2021 14:57:05 756 86
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Insufficient data simply means they want more data ... well the UK will happily provide its and show that Germany just made its worst error yet in the Covid saga.

Not only has the EU been negligent in its vaccination program it is now limiting the use of a AZ's.

Mark this as a day Germany made a big big mistake.
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28/01/2021 15:00:55 27 12
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And when the UK provides data that shows it actually works on the over 65s, I'm sure the German regulator will make a different decision.
28/01/2021 17:16:51 3 0
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What?? Do you seriously imagine we are going to waste time trying to persuade the Germans to take our vaccine?? Why should we? Its to our advantage if they don't want it?
And several pro-EU posters keep saying its an Anglo-Swedish company, so why should the UK government be "providing data"?
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28/01/2021 15:01:08 228 22
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Less for them should mean more for us - sounds like good news!

Once we've vaccinated all of our over 65s then I'm sure there will be sufficient data for the dithering Germans to make their minds up.
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28/01/2021 15:03:10 28 259
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Yes, but if it doesn't actually work, what's the point?
Not like the germans to hesitate in choosing who lives and who dies. Removed
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28/01/2021 15:09:10 7 4
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They have made up their minds. In the meantime they will vaccinate the under 65s with the AZ vaccine - you dont get to have "more for the UK" just because Germany decides to not use the vaccine on a certain demographic.
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28/01/2021 15:10:17 2 47
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EU will impose ban on export of Pfitzer vaccine to Brexitland. You fully deserve it.
28/01/2021 15:58:50 11 2
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They think slower than that. We would have finished doing everyone before they realise they messed up and it will still be our fault!
28/01/2021 16:14:15 2 4
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Childish.
28/01/2021 16:29:55 1 0
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The dithering Germans produced the first authorised vaccine!
28/01/2021 17:02:34 0 0
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What a mine of misinformation.
FFS they will get the Pfizer one instead, are you dim scummer Removed
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28/01/2021 14:58:17 95 11
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But its good if you are 64? more for us then!
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28/01/2021 15:01:09 71 11
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or better still 64 year, 364 days 23 hours and 59 minutes ... welcome to the illogical world of pharmaceuticals
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28/01/2021 15:14:54 4 0
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It's a continuous distribution, the numbers are based on the stats, you have draw a line somewhere.
Imagine the furough if pharma added over 65 in good health, with a BMI of and BP of and non smoking, non drinking etc.
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28/01/2021 15:25:53 1 2
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Not at all. By your logic we should vaccinate all age groups at the same time as there should be no age differentiation.

Alternatively do good science and draw a line somewhere rather than nowhere like in the UK
28/01/2021 16:08:54 0 0
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German & EU politics. Read Euronews, more reports, more depth. Tells of Italy & Poland suing Pfizer for delays in production, explains how the EU were a) late with AZ orders b) So their plants not sorted hence production issues c) THE issue, EU countries want AZ vaccine not mRNA vaccines, they say due to cost & complexity of mRNA ones. Timing re Norway? Coincidence(?) The EU favoured Pfizer's.
28/01/2021 17:11:59 0 0
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perhaps you can count your mental age
They will get the Pfizor one instead
28/01/2021 17:19:08 0 0
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NOT "pharmaceuticals". International standards for reporting age-group statistics.
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28/01/2021 15:01:16 3 13
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Yesterday Belgian authorities sent investigators to AZ vaccine manufacturing plant. The truth of Brexitland meddling in distribution of the vaccine is coming.
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28/01/2021 15:05:20 2 1
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How can you use "truth" in the same sentence as an unfounded conspiracy theory of "Brexitland meddling"?
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28/01/2021 15:11:50 0 0
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Still lying I see
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28/01/2021 14:54:38 235 13
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There does not seem to be an even distribution of “EU” vaccines amongst member states
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28/01/2021 15:01:16 30 4
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Is anyone surprised ? The EU is run by Germany and France for Germany and France .
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28/01/2021 15:48:01 10 4
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Correct It’s taken them two centuries of conflict with the rest of Europe and with each other and now they run Europe
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28/01/2021 15:01:16 672 75
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So the pensioners were right to vote brexit. It might well be saving their lives.

German smear campaign/sour grapes at UK vaccine.
The remark that first come first served does not apply suggests that the EU thinks its order for vaccines should be fulfilled regardless of who loses out by its bully tactic.
The UK is hard hit by Covid, we need this vaccine and we will not be surrendering it.
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28/01/2021 15:02:39 163 792
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Brexit has been an abject failure.
Quitter surrender-monkeys mouthing off again. Just sad that their bigotry gets an airing on a serious subject. Removed
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28/01/2021 15:25:31 25 4
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Why is there this obsession that pensioners voted Brexit? I am a pensioner and I voted Remain and I do not know of anyone in my age bracket who voted Brexit.
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28/01/2021 15:24:15 30 3
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Agreed - we definitely should not surrender our vaccine. Germany cannot be allowed to bully us any longer. Also as I am 66 I’m so pleased I don’t live in Germany!
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28/01/2021 15:52:59 1 3
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Nothing to do with brexit or smear campaigns, if you read the data you would see it has minimal efficacy in the elderly
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28/01/2021 15:53:26 14 1
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UK also invested in the vaccine's development. I feel very sorry for the heroic team at AZ and Oxford that developed this for us, and are now embroiled in a political power play.
28/01/2021 16:09:34 0 1
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Check the death rates between the two countries then make that comment.
28/01/2021 16:27:26 0 0
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Absolute nonsense the first vaccine authorised was developed in Germany by Biontech who then partnered with Pfizer to produce it in Belgium. Millions of doses have been sent to the UK with its 95% efficacy.
28/01/2021 16:51:24 0 0
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Let's hope so eh. Cos otherwise it'll be the pensioners paying with their lives.
28/01/2021 16:57:15 0 2
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So the pensioners were right to vote brexit. It might well be saving their lives.

How? Are you suggesting the Germany would have written the guidance for vaccine distribution for the UK had we stayed in . that's an incredible leap

The EU doesnt and hasnt ever regulated national health services.

All this is the fault of AZ when they agreed to many large contracts knowing they would struggle
28/01/2021 16:58:34 0 2
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Try telling that to the families of the thousands that have already lost their lives due to Govt mismanagement.Try your nonsense on them.
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28/01/2021 15:01:21 18 5
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I wonder when the EU will finally get around to approving the AstraZeneca vaccine?

If and when the European Medicals Agency finally approve it Macron will probably close the Channel ports to stop the import of the vaccine, if he hasn’t already vetoed it’s use hoping for a deal for a French vaccine.

The EU will no doubt impose extortionate import tariffs on the vaccine just to show the UK!
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28/01/2021 15:19:26 1 0
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Game sandwiches for all vaccine lorry drivers!!!!
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28/01/2021 15:23:47 1 0
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Friday apparently
28/01/2021 16:19:38 0 0
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No they won't, they are after UK production, this is the crux of the matter, the EU opted for the Germans and the mRNA vaccines, for some reason - price & difficulty of storage they say, EU countries don't want the mRNA vaccines, they want AZ's. The German and EU response is so over the top one fears that there is more to discover, for Pfizer also has production problems Italy & Poland may sue.
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28/01/2021 15:01:34 24 6
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Don’t put a hys on this. It’s politics not science, it’s only going your trigger the scamdemic anti vaxxers. Honestly be sensible with the reporting
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28/01/2021 15:03:35 1 3
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To autocorrected to your. Weird
28/01/2021 16:27:18 0 0
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Why not, isn't it political when a German MEP threatens the UK and US with a vaccine war, because the EU was late ordering the AZ vaccine, hasn't licenced it & demands to be at the front of the queue for it, having favoured the one it's members now don't want? This is politics in the raw, and it stinks, the EU and Germany have stooped to a level I never would have believed. Despicable.
So is there final solution? Removed
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28/01/2021 14:57:05 756 86
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Insufficient data simply means they want more data ... well the UK will happily provide its and show that Germany just made its worst error yet in the Covid saga.

Not only has the EU been negligent in its vaccination program it is now limiting the use of a AZ's.

Mark this as a day Germany made a big big mistake.
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28/01/2021 15:01:43 9 7
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Germany .... and the EU as a whole !
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28/01/2021 15:01:53 3 20
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It’s an experimental ‘vaccine’ and we are guinea pigs. Shocking.
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28/01/2021 15:06:17 2 2
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Go back to bed ...
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28/01/2021 15:03:37 1 0
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Refuse it then, let yours go to someone more deserving
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28/01/2021 15:12:07 1 1
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It’s not experimental. Read pharmaceutical articles before airing an erroneous view.
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28/01/2021 14:57:45 15 5
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Just ask the French ?? AZ vaccine is the cheapest made at cost. How much does the German one cost again? HAHAHAHA
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28/01/2021 15:02:04 2 3
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It gives 90% protection. Unlike the AZ one's 60%. So, it seems you get what you pay for
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28/01/2021 15:02:05 6 7
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Capitalism showing its ugly roots once more with all this self interest in supply over other's concerns.
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28/01/2021 14:59:17 5 15
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Use for the over 65s. Did you even read the article?
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28/01/2021 15:02:08 3 1
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But the over 65s are the population most at risk and the population that will be vaccinated first. So what’s the point of kicking up a stink about not getting their AZ vaccine supply now?
28/01/2021 15:58:28 0 0
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Do you not think they might be vaccinating their frontline health and care workers (all who will be under 65) quite early on?
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28/01/2021 15:02:14 581 73
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EU not even approved the Oxford vaccine, and they’re kicking off! Thank god for Brexit!
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28/01/2021 15:05:08 122 487
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Brexit is irrelevant in this context.
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28/01/2021 15:08:05 6 56
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Quitting was, is and will be until reversed utter stupidity.
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28/01/2021 15:49:00 3 0
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The USA has not approved it either...
28/01/2021 16:12:25 1 7
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Daily Mail reader thinks Brexit is about vaccine contract rather than lost jobs, betrayed fishermen, musicians and anyone with a business trying to sell to the world's biggest market.
28/01/2021 16:59:21 0 1
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Perhaps for good reason.
28/01/2021 17:21:04 0 0
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Utterly laughable, you've given the game away with the above comment. Whether they use it or not they have signed a contract to buy it. Fact.
28/01/2021 19:48:25 0 1
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Ye thank God you've gone
Soo
28/01/2021 20:48:19 0 0
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What is it with you Brits and this mythological figure, up in the sky? You're the second one on here thanking god. I didn't know that her majesties subjects are such... believers. Just curious, do you also believe in immaculate conception / virgin birth?
28/01/2021 21:04:10 0 1
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No because their testing regime is far more stringent. Brexit is going to be an absolute disaster for the UK.
Without empirical scientific evidence, it looks like state-sponsored geronticide. Removed
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28/01/2021 15:04:55 4 0
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It's Germany, so nothing new there....
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28/01/2021 15:04:56 0 2
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Why? The over 65s can have one of the other vaccines that actually works on their age group.
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28/01/2021 14:51:11 18 63
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Frankly, the EU doesn't need the vaccine as much as the UK, because for the most part their governments have been competent and their populations cooperative, unlike the UK.
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28/01/2021 15:02:26 7 0
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Really so the EU as some sort of magical power that means it citizens don't need vaccinating like the rest of the world.

I have a feeling EU citizens don't agree with you, they are probably more likely to put their faith in common sense and medical science.
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28/01/2021 15:02:28 45 4
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"THEY DON'T LIKE IT UP THEM!"
Apparently...
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Don't PANIC!
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28/01/2021 15:07:16 0 0
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I reckon that's the anal swab but I get your point....
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28/01/2021 15:40:27 1 4
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Bungling bojo rolled over & had his tummy rubbed, like a little puppy, by the EU.
Now they're in the UK, telling the UK what to do, you have customs dec's within the Uk and they have more say on trade in part of the UK than London has.

They put bojo in his place.

Meanwhile, in Europe they're getting on with their lives & you're on the internet celebrating some imaginary victory over them?
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28/01/2021 19:31:58 0 0
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Don't tell em pike
Getting rid of the over 65`s. Mind you Germany does have a history of getting rid of people they don`t want. Removed
We have already done that 100,000 and still counting. But Boris will be pleased as all these older people won't be getting their pensions thanks to his behaviour. Removed
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28/01/2021 15:01:16 672 75
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So the pensioners were right to vote brexit. It might well be saving their lives.

German smear campaign/sour grapes at UK vaccine.
The remark that first come first served does not apply suggests that the EU thinks its order for vaccines should be fulfilled regardless of who loses out by its bully tactic.
The UK is hard hit by Covid, we need this vaccine and we will not be surrendering it.
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28/01/2021 15:02:39 163 792
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Brexit has been an abject failure.
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28/01/2021 15:06:21 54 4
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Not that I'm for or against it, but why has it been an abject failure?
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28/01/2021 15:10:14 67 5
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Based on subjective data for a whole 28 days? The situation with the vaccine would support the UK's decision that Brexit was more than just a financial decision despite those who've been hit in the pocket protesting otherwise. There's more to life than money.
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28/01/2021 15:12:23 85 9
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Its been 4 weeks and this is the clearest sign yet that we were right to leave the EU.

Isn't this showing you what sort of people the EU are or are you still too blinkered?
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28/01/2021 15:13:07 64 5
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Even when you are presented with undeniable facts like & million jabs in UK arms, while 1 million in french arms, you still fail to acknowledge that brexit has a benefit.
Ask doris, aged 94, covid jab already delivered, what she thinks of brexit and she will point it out to you.
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28/01/2021 15:18:32 46 6
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See? Still talking about brexit. Take s pill and lie down before you have a heamorage.
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28/01/2021 15:23:23 20 2
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Ha ha yes really looks like it doesn't it ?
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28/01/2021 15:27:32 27 1
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Off topic. This is about vaccines.
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28/01/2021 15:26:07 5 2
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Yes but it’s happened so get over it.
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28/01/2021 15:28:51 11 2
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Pretty much like all of your posts, judging by the mountain of downvotes you receive every time.
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28/01/2021 15:35:55 4 0
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Ha ha ha
28/01/2021 15:55:48 4 1
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Not when it comes to vaccines. I reserve judgment on the rest.
28/01/2021 16:02:39 9 0
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and yet, Germany and the EU have gone into meltdown because the UK vaccine plants are churning it out, they having started months ago, the EU plants aren't up to speed yet (EU delayed) AND EU opted for the mRNA vaccines that EU countries are avoiding, demanding the AZ vaccine the EU didn't favour until too late. Poor old Bore, scraping the bottom of the barrel.
28/01/2021 16:03:23 10 0
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So far we are seeing that brexit saved us from a failed EU ventilator and PPE purchasing scheme, and its saved us from a failed EU vaccine purchasing scheme. Leavers said for years the EU had become too slow and cumbersome to react to our needs. Look at how long the EU took to respond to the Chinese dumping of cheap steel. That EU failure cost the UK tens of thousands of jobs. GOOD RIDDANCE I SAY.
28/01/2021 16:05:34 11 0
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I think you'll find the abject failure was the remain campaign and over four years of remoaning trying to undermine a democratic vote. get over it!
28/01/2021 16:09:47 5 0
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100,000 terrible deaths v 7,000,000 'at risk ' lives saved with UK jab. . Hmmmm
28/01/2021 16:03:29 2 0
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Only for a few negative ninnys.
28/01/2021 16:13:59 2 0
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Well not with buying and receiving supply of vaccine it isn't :)
28/01/2021 16:15:51 3 0
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Yes all in a month do get real and stop moaning
28/01/2021 16:18:25 3 0
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We only truly left less than a month ago what did you expect us to do in that time? and it would help if you were more cooperative and less bitter.
28/01/2021 16:25:26 4 0
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And yet a 'failure' that has led us to vaccinate 11% of our population while the EU has done 2%.
28/01/2021 16:29:41 3 0
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Funny how 251 people and counting don't agree with you. Move on.
28/01/2021 16:31:04 2 0
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Except it has by the looks of it saved countless uk lives by us not being part of their vaccine farce
28/01/2021 16:33:25 1 0
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on this point alone it clearly has not been
28/01/2021 16:35:10 1 0
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Armchair Bore, very appropriate name.
28/01/2021 16:41:57 3 0
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Based on what, brains?
The French desperately trying to block our route in to Europe?
The money we are not wasting on them?
No chaos?
No totally collapsed economy?
Trying to steal our vaccine?
Nothing to stop you leaving the country you hate and go live in the EU.
28/01/2021 16:52:12 1 0
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Boring comment from the armchair.
28/01/2021 16:53:23 1 0
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do one leave the UK we really do not need 5th Columnists. You sir are bitter and twisted
28/01/2021 16:51:09 1 0
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How?
28/01/2021 17:01:43 0 0
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What do you mean by Brexit, that isn’t a word I recognise.
28/01/2021 17:27:03 0 1
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Always will be seen as a monumental mistake but don't hold your breath waiting for the lemmings to dare acknowledge that.
28/01/2021 17:27:30 1 0
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Provide your evidence ...no, thought not...fool
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28/01/2021 14:57:22 1682 173
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So the EU say AstraZeneca must divert stock from the UK to honour is contract, meaning they don’t honour the UK contract!! Even though our contract was agreed some 3months earlier. It’s beyond believe, really puts a very bad light on the EU commission.
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28/01/2021 15:02:39 81 311
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What is beyond belief is that people post inane comments such as this. Interesting idea that the timing of a contract gives it precedence over other contracts, love to see that one tested. And whether or not the stock is manufactured in the UK is irrelevant.
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28/01/2021 15:08:54 117 16
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Not beyond believe at all, look at your inane comment!
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28/01/2021 15:17:52 35 3
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Depends if the contract has a time to delivery. This is a bigger issue, it is Pfizer, EU & Germany v the rest. Try Euronews, lots of EU countries refusing the Pfizer vaccine, (and Modena's) which EU ordered most of, they say too expensive & difficult to store, (Norway's experience with 33 elderly deaths may have some bearing too) countries want AZ vaccine. EU blaming US as well as UK!!!!
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28/01/2021 15:23:05 4 2
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obviously the guy is a contract law barrister... not.
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28/01/2021 15:43:41 21 1
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Not really, what happened to the PPE stored in Germany for worldwide distribution? Thats right, they banned exports. So Nick, put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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28/01/2021 15:48:28 10 1
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It is not beyond beyond belief. I sincerely doubt their lawyers are so stupid. See the 'best efforts' quote from the CEO
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28/01/2021 15:02:48 4 5
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Despite Germany and others throwing their toys out of their EU logoed prams. It actually makes sense to give AZ vaccine to younger people due to ease of storage and potentially lower efficacy. Something I've always thought we should've considered In UK.
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28/01/2021 15:04:27 1 5
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If it is less effective anyway, and there is very little data to show it works at all on the over 65s, yes, it should be given to the younger members of the population.
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28/01/2021 15:04:41 2 0
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YOUNG PEOPLE ARE NOT AT RISK. ALMOST ALL MORTALITY IS OLD PEOPLE.
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28/01/2021 15:10:03 2 1
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It may be because they tell us it is only 8% effective for over 65’s.
If they believe that I’m surprised that they want any of it.
Some may say that; by saying it’s only 8% effective it does not matter that they ordered too late to get what they needed whilst at the same time slagging off British technology.
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28/01/2021 14:54:13 4 39
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Thats what happens when you rush something out for money,hahahahahaahhahahaha, dont say you weren't told,hahahahahahahahahahahahah
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28/01/2021 15:02:49 1 1
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AZ is doing this at cost ...
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28/01/2021 14:54:14 340 33
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Are they abandoning the over 65's so they therefore wont need as much Astra Zenica so if other European countries are doing the same the zillions of doses they dont really need so what is the EU bleating about. Wait your turn like the rest of the world is having to us included, but we ordered some 3 months prior to yourselves
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28/01/2021 15:02:55 20 30
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Sorry your nationalist / division propaganda is lacking facts again. They aren't abandoning the over 65's they are simply stating the Astra Zenica vaccine (which appears to be least effective of vaccines on offer) does not have enough data yet to suggest it is effective on the over 65's, therefore the 'better' / proven vaccines will be focused on that group.
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28/01/2021 15:13:21 33 8
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I trust our scientists and would take either as a choice against nothing and in some of their ordering ones that havent been developed yet. EU showing true colours ..... Bully boys !
28/01/2021 16:09:01 6 1
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Lowest efficacy in preventing infection but has the highest efficacy at preventing hospitalisation from the 1st jab.
The Lata is far more important at this stage.
29/01/2021 01:08:04 0 0
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You're easily deceived by data.
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28/01/2021 14:57:17 941 171
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Great story . Does this mean the eU will do what the Germans say? Everyday the EU shows why we voted out. Even the luvvies and Lords cannot think of a reason to support the EU joke.
It’s an experimental ‘ vaccine’ and we are guinea pigs Removed
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28/01/2021 14:53:33 6 50
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Full EU export controls on Pfitzer BioNtech vaccine required ASAP. EU citizens have to be looked after first. Britain imposed ban on covid related medicines back in 2020. Astra lies in the faces of EU officials.
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28/01/2021 15:03:07 23 2
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So, the vaccine is no good, they have not approved it, but they want all ours, even after dithering around for three months after we funded the research and generally cocking up the whole vaccination process themselves.
French vaccine has been given up on- too hard for them to manage.
What a shocking bunch- and yet we still have people in this country who think they are wonderful!
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28/01/2021 14:53:33 6 50
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Full EU export controls on Pfitzer BioNtech vaccine required ASAP. EU citizens have to be looked after first. Britain imposed ban on covid related medicines back in 2020. Astra lies in the faces of EU officials.
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28/01/2021 15:03:08 9 1
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"Britain imposed ban on covid related medicines..." That is the truth, unfortunately not the whole truth. Britain only placed an export ban on products manufactured and intended to be placed on the domestic market so that parties acting on behalf of 3rd nations couldn't out bid the NHS and divert supplies. No restrictions were placed on medicines intended for the export market.
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28/01/2021 15:01:08 228 22
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Less for them should mean more for us - sounds like good news!

Once we've vaccinated all of our over 65s then I'm sure there will be sufficient data for the dithering Germans to make their minds up.
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28/01/2021 15:03:10 28 259
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Yes, but if it doesn't actually work, what's the point?
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28/01/2021 15:29:37 26 1
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It does work. Do your research.
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