Coronavirus: EU and AstraZeneca seek to resolve vaccine supply crisis
28/01/2021 | news | world | 703
Both sides pledge to work together after a reported 50 million-dose shortfall for the 27-member EU.
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28/01/2021 12:01:21 2 7
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These companies have had so much money thrown at them, this is very disappointing.
And guys, leave Brexit out of this!
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29/01/2021 07:43:06 0 0
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What leave Brexit out because it doesn’t fit with your own agenda, I don’t think so!
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28/01/2021 12:01:52 74 12
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And the EU still haven't approved use of the vaccine which they ordered months after the UK did.

And they want to take vaccine bought and paid for and destined for UK citizens. That's called piracy.

Not very bright, are they?
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28/01/2021 12:13:43 35 2
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They are not taking 'vaccine bought and paid for and destined for UK citizens'. They EU will pay for its own but must wait until the UK's order is fulfilled.
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28/01/2021 12:03:13 16 4
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Cant wait to see these 'Re-Joiners' try and explain why we should rejoin the institution which is demanding that we hand over our vaccines because their factories aren't producing them as quickly as ours.
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28/01/2021 12:03:38 5 1
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Must be the extra paperwork delaying the shipments.
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28/01/2021 12:03:57 7 14
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Lots of shouty headlines in the bonkers press today about ‘our’ vaccine and the ‘overlords’ of the EU wanting their grubby hands on ‘our’ stuff, which conveniently ignores the EU input into the vaccine to the tune of about £300 million.
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28/01/2021 12:08:40 11 1
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I would check the small print in the contract ... looks like the EU made one hell of a mistake
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28/01/2021 12:04:34 20 0
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One possible approach to a resolution is to offer to ship the AZ vaccines inside the UK lorries trying to export meat and fish to France. That way, I am sure the 'bureaucracy' issues might suddenly get resolved.

On a serious side, the UK will have more than sufficient doses in production that can be distributed to other countries in dire straits, not just the EU.
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28/01/2021 12:08:05 5 1
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Yes. To other countries based on their need. Brazil Mexico India Pakistan palestein.
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28/01/2021 12:05:31 3 0
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I thought Astra-Zeneca were charging third world countries at cost for their vaccines, everyone else to pay a bit more, if this is not so then the UK should put a 100% tariff on exports to the EU and all other wealthy countries. It's only over when it's over all over the World.
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28/01/2021 12:06:11 84 8
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To quote the Dutch Customs official, "Welcome to brexit".
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28/01/2021 13:19:55 24 1
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No ham sandwich...but we’ll have the vaccine or there will be consequences.
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28/01/2021 12:06:54 40 9
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I have family in the UK and the EU - myself in Germany. The divide is ugly, uncalled for and dangerous.

I'm so exhausted with this nefarious populist politics.
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28/01/2021 12:13:52 12 50
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Totally agree - I'm a Brit and am sooooo totally disillusioned with the never ending populist opinions of the Brits themselves, their media and the politicians right now. You used to be better than this.
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ros
28/01/2021 12:55:54 21 1
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I agree. I found it appalling that a German MEP threatened a trade war and blocking of Pfizer vaccines to Britain beacuse they had a disagreement with their supplier.
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28/01/2021 12:06:57 105 17
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If it was the other way round, could you imagine the glee from the EU in saying no to giving us their vaccines! At least the EU citizens can vote the people out who have messed this up for them ...... oh wait
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28/01/2021 12:10:49 34 95
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Err.... You're apparently another one of those, who has no idea that the Pfizer vaccine is EU made & that the AZ vaccine we used was, until recently, also manuf in EU. Add to that the fact that EU helped fund UK plant(s). And the humdinger...... It is not OUR vaccine or THEIR vaccine. It is the COMPANY'S vaccine & that company should take its' contractual obligations seriously.
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28/01/2021 12:21:56 8 24
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Yes I think the EU would send vaccines our way, indeed the fist AZ ones came from Belgium
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28/01/2021 14:21:47 4 4
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As usual HYS votes down the accurate comments and votes up the jingoistic ones, but one needs to remember the Tory Bot Propaganda Machine is in full throttle.

The most accurate comment in this thread is the second one. It is AstraZeneca who are at fault here and have not kept to the agreement it had to supply the EU. The article clearly shows this to be the case.
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28/01/2021 14:51:50 1 1
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The media, for once, have reported the facts. No doubt the Stun & Daily Fail have done so in a jingoistic way.

AZ should keep to its contract with the EU or, like all companies have to, face the consequences.

Presumably the MEP (one person) thinks the Tories are behind the actions of AZ. He will of course have to prove that.
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MVP
28/01/2021 12:08:01 27 8
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There is a danger that this is going to turn into a political row.

Astra Zeneca is a British / Swedish company and some of the headlines in the tabloid press this morning have been deliberately inflammatory.
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MVS
28/01/2021 12:21:31 44 4
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Almost as inflammatory as the statements made by the EU commissioners.
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28/01/2021 12:30:54 1 13
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Of course. And those headlines are based on ignorance of the most basic things, like the source of ALL of our vaccine doses until recently. Sadly, it smacks of English exceptionalism. OUR vaccine. As if we can resolve the worldwide Covid crisis with narrow-minded nationalism.
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28/01/2021 12:08:36 15 6
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This is outrageous, I am absolutely shocked by the EUs behaviour in recent days, it seems that nutter Trump was right when he said the EU was a racketeering club, How on earth do they think that UK plants should supply them, is it because we have vaccinated more than them and it has shown them up, Also they have not approved it yet and with a take contract why are they running around like chickens
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28/01/2021 12:20:00 4 5
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The UK plant doesn't belong to the UK, it belongs to AZ. AZ made commitments that clearly it was never going to achieve
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28/01/2021 12:20:39 1 1
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Trump is the biggest grafter going, nothing he said can be trusted
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28/01/2021 12:29:07 1 4
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Should EU have said the vaccines we used, which were ALL produced in EU until recently, were THEIR'S? They have agreed to / paid for a certain volume of vaccine, which AZ has now said will be reduced by 60%. SIXTY PERCENT!!! Think about that. Think about the risk that poses to Europe AND UK.
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28/01/2021 12:03:57 7 14
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Lots of shouty headlines in the bonkers press today about ‘our’ vaccine and the ‘overlords’ of the EU wanting their grubby hands on ‘our’ stuff, which conveniently ignores the EU input into the vaccine to the tune of about £300 million.
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28/01/2021 12:08:40 11 1
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I would check the small print in the contract ... looks like the EU made one hell of a mistake
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28/01/2021 12:08:59 73 14
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How much money did the EU invest in AZ to get it up and running? None!
UK? nearly £100m. The EU blames everything that goes wrong on someone else.

If they admitted their mistakes instead of making demands, we might be more inclined to help. Still, as the EU are saying, their responsibility is to "their" citizens. But sorry EU, our responsibility is to our citizens too.
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28/01/2021 12:12:53 22 32
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The EU actually put £300 million into the AZ investment.
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28/01/2021 12:18:42 1 11
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I doubt you would be the least bit inclined to help, just empty words
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28/01/2021 12:24:01 4 13
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"How much money did the EU invest in AZ to get it up and running? None!"
Sorry but that's wrong. EU invested £297m in AZ vaccine production. Some of that went towards the UK facilities.
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28/01/2021 12:26:58 4 19
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Can I point out again that THIS IS NOT UK'S VACCINE. It is AZ's vaccine. And the company needs to use its' overall production to fulfil the contracts it has entered into. Unless there are clauses in the contract that negate their obligations, any shortfall should be spread & not targeted on one customer.

PS: BOTH vaccines used in UK came from EU, until recently.
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28/01/2021 12:37:53 1 8
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try doing some fact checking ..you clearly have access to the internet before posting rubbish
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28/01/2021 12:09:17 52 1
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Interesting the comments from the CEO of AstraZeneca match closely the pieces in the German press, a 3 month delay by the EU in signing contracts and starting to sort production issues has led to this mess.
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28/01/2021 12:17:33 9 47
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Its almost entirely AZs fault, they made commitments they couldn't achieve. By the numbers being stated, they MUST have know they were going to fail as well
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28/01/2021 12:21:44 0 19
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It's called 'an excuse'. Unless there was a clause in the pre-order contract that said something like 'first come, first serve', then that's irrelevant. I find it interesting that AZ are making claims like this but seem reluctant to do as EU have requested & make the contract public.
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28/01/2021 12:09:19 13 3
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I don't hear too much about Germany obtaining doses outside of the EU agreement. So much for true solidarity!
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28/01/2021 12:20:02 3 8
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As Ireland did, too. As any member state is fully entitled to do. See, here's the thing. Members are sovereign & can make their own decisions, follow the same approvals processes that we did (MHRA authorisations were under EU law). And a few did just that.
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28/01/2021 12:48:47 2 0
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Germany have realised the EU made a complete mess of procuring vaccines and doing what they need to do to protect their citizens
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28/01/2021 12:09:25 18 1
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If the UK had a production hiccup, would the EU bail them out?
What is the EU's hiccup?
Perhaps not the EU way, but how about some sweet reason for a change? Grandstanding won't help anything?
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28/01/2021 12:18:20 3 15
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Yes..... and we know that's the case.
UK AZ production wasn't up & running properly until recently, thus we were using EU produced vaccine of BOTH types (Pfizer is EU made).
And please remember this ISN'T UK vaccine or EU vaccine. It is vaccine produced by companies, who own it & who own the responsibility for satisfying all contracts they've entered into, irrespective of where vaccines are made.
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28/01/2021 12:09:29 8 0
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It seems the EU left it too late with their order and now are trying to catch up. But they had not approved the vaccine for use anyway. AZ promised more than they could deliver so put themselves under pressure and have to accept that.
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28/01/2021 12:15:03 2 11
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Hmmm.... So you're saying AZ made it clear, on signing up to PRE-orders, that this was based on a 'first come, first serve' basis. If there isn't a clause to that effect, their legal obligation is to satisfy ALL contracts without prejudice. If they simply can't do so, then they should spread the shortfall evenly across all customers to minimise the negative impact.
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28/01/2021 12:09:45 8 1
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I trust that Astra Zeneca will honour the contractual commitments they've made - to all parties. To do anything less would be poor form.
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28/01/2021 12:12:24 9 15
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And, if they can't satisfy overall demand due to an issue which may conceivably be beyond their control, then they should spread the shortfall across all customers & not hit ONE of them by 60%. We seem to forget that, until recently, ALL the vaccines we were using in UK were manuf in EU.
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28/01/2021 12:06:57 105 17
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If it was the other way round, could you imagine the glee from the EU in saying no to giving us their vaccines! At least the EU citizens can vote the people out who have messed this up for them ...... oh wait
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28/01/2021 12:10:49 34 95
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Err.... You're apparently another one of those, who has no idea that the Pfizer vaccine is EU made & that the AZ vaccine we used was, until recently, also manuf in EU. Add to that the fact that EU helped fund UK plant(s). And the humdinger...... It is not OUR vaccine or THEIR vaccine. It is the COMPANY'S vaccine & that company should take its' contractual obligations seriously.
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28/01/2021 12:16:16 51 2
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So the company should prioritise delivery of a vaccine to customers that ordered it 3 months after others and can't even use it yet because it is not approved! I don't think we will see the EU taking AZ to court, because they wont have a leg to stand on. There are delays to the Pfizer vaccine - why are the EU not grandstanding about taking that from the US supply? (because this is political)
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28/01/2021 12:22:32 18 0
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It is taking them very seriously. And is determined to meet the contracts it has with the UK government.
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28/01/2021 12:36:55 30 8
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"Add to that the fact that EU helped fund UK plant(s)."

No my friend you are making that same old remainer error!

"Funded by the EU" is a misnomer.

The EU funded NOTHING in the UK, absolutely zilch...
...they merely spent about a THIRD of the money we gave them in the first place on UK projects like this.

Give me tenner and I'll buy you a pint for £3 and explain it for you!
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28/01/2021 12:41:42 19 2
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I am well aware that the Pfizer vaccine is made at plants in the EU. But; if I had ordered a Porsche direct from the German Factory 3 months before someone in the EU - & they were given my car! I would be annoyed. This could all have been sorted out in a friendly manner. It's the EU "Spock Lookalike" that is manufacturing the grievance. Like PPE back in early days - the whole world wants it now!
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28/01/2021 12:18:49 30 7
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If you want to be nationalistic.....

The company is British Swedish. Not an Eu company.

This episode is a huge own goal by the Eu. The world sees them as blocking vaccines until they get “their fair share” which is of course determined by themselves.

This story damages Eu. Regardless of outcome.
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ros
28/01/2021 12:51:09 12 0
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It is the Oxford AZ vaccine.
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28/01/2021 12:52:00 10 0
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It seems to me it is taking it’s contractual responsibilities seriously prime among them being that the vaccine they produce is safe whilst they dramatically expand their production facilities across Europe as a whole. If production capacity in the UK can be expanded then they should make deliveries to the EU as long as the UK vaccination programme is not compromised
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28/01/2021 13:28:05 15 2
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Incorrect.

On the funding thing, it was largely funded by the UK government on the basis of a not for profit manufacture for the duration of the pandemic. It is manufactured in Wrexham and soon in Belgium and Holland. The EU were delayed placing orders despite it being a not for profit vaccine. The EU have bigger supply issues with Pzizer AND Biontec. This is EU blame deflection pure and simple.
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28/01/2021 13:54:31 4 0
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Except the UK government was very much behind the Oxford-Astrazeneca tie up for the vaccine and fast-tracked production facility development and licensing in order to achieve better vaccine delivery. EU did no such thing and reaped its own reward.
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28/01/2021 15:15:48 0 0
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EU did not pay for Oxford-AZ project, it was funded by UK Government. Yes EU did pre order and paid for their contract but so did lots of other countries. Similarly Germany funded R&D of BionTech Covid vaccine, although Pfizer received funding from USA.
Regarding manufacturing unit: AZ Covid vaccine is made in the UK from the beginning for UK supply with a commitment to fulfilling UK order first.
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28/01/2021 16:01:21 0 0
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Just a little couple of points

- One of the active ingredients of the Pfizer jab comes form Yorkshire, 2 can play that game

The UK fully funded the UK plants as well as a large part of the research (for which the EU paid nothing)

But don't let facts get in the way
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28/01/2021 19:15:29 0 0
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The EU haven’t even approved the Oxford vaccine yet. And Pfizer was developed by BioNTech as well (American and German). They put it in the hands of the Commission.
They are good at misinformation and deflection though.
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28/01/2021 12:11:19 3 1
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Imagine if no vaccine was available yet no one will be complaining maybe all of us should be patient and hope for the best instead of who is getting and how much first
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28/01/2021 12:12:05 37 2
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Litigation lawyers will be licking their chops

Best endeavours is a classic grey area between reasonable endeavours and a firm contractual obligation

AZ must try their best to deliver vaccine quantities to the EU and (probably) incur reasonable expenditure in order to do so. What they cannot be expected to do is break a contract with a firm customer eg the UK - there is an order of priority
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28/01/2021 12:31:00 1 19
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It will come down to money as it always does. Which customer has the more stringent contract terms if you fail to deliver and which one will deliver the most future business.

I'm afraid we could be second on both those counts in which case this issue could turn very nasty.
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28/01/2021 14:28:35 1 0
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It will never see the inside of a briefcase let alone a courtroom. There are too many players in the supply chain contractually obligated to even begin to hold a consequential delay case. The EU know this. Empty deflective rhetoric gone wrong is all.
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28/01/2021 12:09:45 8 1
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I trust that Astra Zeneca will honour the contractual commitments they've made - to all parties. To do anything less would be poor form.
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28/01/2021 12:12:24 9 15
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And, if they can't satisfy overall demand due to an issue which may conceivably be beyond their control, then they should spread the shortfall across all customers & not hit ONE of them by 60%. We seem to forget that, until recently, ALL the vaccines we were using in UK were manuf in EU.
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MVS
28/01/2021 12:18:57 4 0
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And thank goodness that is no longer the case!
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28/01/2021 12:52:38 5 0
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I agree - however, any degree of reduction of supply to any particular customer, due to such issues, must be determined by the clauses in each individual customer contract (assuming such clauses exist -one would expect they would)
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28/01/2021 13:00:22 2 0
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Possibly because for much of that time we were the only customer. The EU had not passed the vaccine for use and their contract didn't come into operation until then.
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28/01/2021 12:12:33 3 4
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Get Angela Rayner to chair the negotiations
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28/01/2021 12:18:48 2 1
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Nobody would understand her.
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28/01/2021 12:08:59 73 14
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How much money did the EU invest in AZ to get it up and running? None!
UK? nearly £100m. The EU blames everything that goes wrong on someone else.

If they admitted their mistakes instead of making demands, we might be more inclined to help. Still, as the EU are saying, their responsibility is to "their" citizens. But sorry EU, our responsibility is to our citizens too.
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28/01/2021 12:12:53 22 32
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The EU actually put £300 million into the AZ investment.
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MVS
28/01/2021 12:20:32 20 1
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which is being used to create the manufacturing capability in the EU.
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ros
28/01/2021 13:01:35 16 0
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From their own statements, that was prepayment for their vaccine order, not investment.
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28/01/2021 13:44:38 0 0
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Can you give me a link to support this please as I'm interested in further reading.
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28/01/2021 14:11:51 0 0
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incorrect
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28/01/2021 14:17:45 0 0
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No they didn't we funded all of it, try and understand what being a net contributor actually means.
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28/01/2021 14:22:08 0 0
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Maybe in Europe - Netherlands and Belgium but that’s the story line.
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28/01/2021 15:30:26 1 0
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No, they did not. That was the cost of vaccine they ordered - remember, AZ is selling as non-profit. Also, there is no such thing as "AZ Investment".
If you say EU paid for Oxford-AZ vaccine development then you also need to agree that UK paid for Pfizer-BionTech vaccine development because UK pre ordered it and that money was used.
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28/01/2021 20:03:40 0 0
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But only 5% was used for UK site, so that gives them no right to make demands like they are, EU moved strate to making demands didn't even ask for talks involving the UK who would be the ones negatively affected by their demands.
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28/01/2021 20:09:25 0 0
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Can someone explain why EU has ordered more than double the dieses of vaccine they need? I can understand a little overlap but more than double, something stinks with the EU's order numbers, EU of course will always never admit tonany culpability but that tgey move right from news of short fall to hysteria speaks volumes about their roll in the cock up.
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28/01/2021 12:12:57 19 5
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Oh no ... the UK could be locked out of the EU vaccination program.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-coronavirus-vaccine-uk-brexit-covid-19-a9608856.html

Well thank god we are locked out ...
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28/01/2021 13:54:52 3 1
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Yep and all the EU loving remainers are running around like headless chickens scrapping around to find reasons to make the EU correct and us wrong!
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28/01/2021 12:13:00 13 10
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brexit means we don't have to put up with your rules anymore so put up and shut up we ordered vaccines 3 months before you tough we paid for development tough we make it faster tough now get on with it. who the hell do you think you are in the eu.?
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28/01/2021 12:25:16 6 6
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Hi Muktar,

They placed an order 4 times the size of ours and they've paid too, that means they paid a lot more for the development of this vaccine than we did.

It's a minor point but if you intend to start some kind of war (trade, vaccine, shooting etc) it's best you're telling the truth about what is happening.

Ask Tony Blair!
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28/01/2021 12:01:52 74 12
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And the EU still haven't approved use of the vaccine which they ordered months after the UK did.

And they want to take vaccine bought and paid for and destined for UK citizens. That's called piracy.

Not very bright, are they?
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28/01/2021 12:13:43 35 2
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They are not taking 'vaccine bought and paid for and destined for UK citizens'. They EU will pay for its own but must wait until the UK's order is fulfilled.
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28/01/2021 13:57:48 1 0
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That seems to what they're demanding.
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28/01/2021 12:06:54 40 9
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I have family in the UK and the EU - myself in Germany. The divide is ugly, uncalled for and dangerous.

I'm so exhausted with this nefarious populist politics.
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28/01/2021 12:13:52 12 50
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Totally agree - I'm a Brit and am sooooo totally disillusioned with the never ending populist opinions of the Brits themselves, their media and the politicians right now. You used to be better than this.
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28/01/2021 13:24:14 0 2
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We are - unfortunately, empty vessels and all that...

Many have lost the skill of the nuance. The whole of Europe needs to be vaccinated. Neither we, nor the EU should be dogs in mangers over this. If our supply is secure, then we should be helping out our neighbours where possible.(remember flight safety - put your oxygen mask on first before helping others)
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28/01/2021 16:17:06 0 11
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It's only what 3 decades of EU membership has brought us to.
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28/01/2021 12:14:46 34 6
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Its all those long lunches, restricted work hours and just in time deliveries the EU loves that has come to haunt them ... the UK just gets on with it
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28/01/2021 13:30:44 3 12
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Pity the UK didn't get on with any plan to restrict movement or bring in quarantine plans in early 2020. How many thousands dead needlessly, yeah, UK definitely got on with it......
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28/01/2021 12:14:56 35 6
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you can take my sandwiches but you can't take our vaccine now behave
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28/01/2021 13:51:57 6 0
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Thank you. It's a serious matter but I appreciate a bit of light relief just now. I certainly need it.
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28/01/2021 12:09:29 8 0
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It seems the EU left it too late with their order and now are trying to catch up. But they had not approved the vaccine for use anyway. AZ promised more than they could deliver so put themselves under pressure and have to accept that.
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28/01/2021 12:15:03 2 11
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Hmmm.... So you're saying AZ made it clear, on signing up to PRE-orders, that this was based on a 'first come, first serve' basis. If there isn't a clause to that effect, their legal obligation is to satisfy ALL contracts without prejudice. If they simply can't do so, then they should spread the shortfall evenly across all customers to minimise the negative impact.
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ros
28/01/2021 13:18:14 0 0
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I read weeks ago that this was included in the UK contract. But it was not a legal point, at the time.
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28/01/2021 13:47:50 0 0
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Sorry you're wrong. If you put an order in months before another customer you don't and can't expect to jump the queue when stock problem arise. If you buy something online from a highstreet and there are manufacture delays do you not expect to wait your turn when supply comes back?
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28/01/2021 14:15:07 1 0
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Hmmm I really wish your keyboard would break. Perhaps you could do us all a favour and start hitting the keys extra hard?
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28/01/2021 12:15:44 12 8
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This winner takes it all mentality has to stop. We will only get through this crisis with international co-operation. This time it might benefit the UK, but there will be a next time. And we are nowhere near the Covid endgame.
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28/01/2021 12:10:49 34 95
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Err.... You're apparently another one of those, who has no idea that the Pfizer vaccine is EU made & that the AZ vaccine we used was, until recently, also manuf in EU. Add to that the fact that EU helped fund UK plant(s). And the humdinger...... It is not OUR vaccine or THEIR vaccine. It is the COMPANY'S vaccine & that company should take its' contractual obligations seriously.
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28/01/2021 12:16:16 51 2
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So the company should prioritise delivery of a vaccine to customers that ordered it 3 months after others and can't even use it yet because it is not approved! I don't think we will see the EU taking AZ to court, because they wont have a leg to stand on. There are delays to the Pfizer vaccine - why are the EU not grandstanding about taking that from the US supply? (because this is political)
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28/01/2021 12:43:13 25 0
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AZ should prioritise delivery as per it's contractual obligations to each party.

By the looks of it the EU want UK manufactured vaccines as it doesn't have an exclusivity clause with AZ. However it looks like the UK does, therefore cannot use UK production to top up the EU order, until it has fulfilled the UK order.
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28/01/2021 14:46:17 2 2
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Exactly. And the Germans don't even want it for the their high risk groups over 65 (who will be the bulk of the urgent vaccinations) as they don't think there is enough evidence for its effectiveness.

I'm a pro-EU remain voter but this is all grandstanding by the EU to hide the fact they completely fouled up their vaccine procurement strategy.
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MVS
28/01/2021 12:16:41 60 8
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Everything about the EU vaccine plan shows the bloc up in the very worst possible light.
Cumbersome, bureaucratic, over-bearing and inept.
Thank goodness we become less-and-less connected to the Brussels bullies.
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28/01/2021 13:26:05 25 5
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Agreed. Probably the major reason I voted for leaving.
If we hadn't left then we would be in exactly the same place as France and Germany et al, waiting for the centralised Bureaucrats to decide what and how much we get and when
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28/01/2021 15:58:15 3 0
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I do find it funny, that the core reason they ended up in this mess, was that they ripped up the national European contracts, then spent 2 months negotiating basically the same contract at an EU level, delaying the production facilities by two months.

I am a remainer, but if you commit and pay for something 3 months later, don't cry when it's 2 months late.
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28/01/2021 12:09:17 52 1
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Interesting the comments from the CEO of AstraZeneca match closely the pieces in the German press, a 3 month delay by the EU in signing contracts and starting to sort production issues has led to this mess.
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28/01/2021 12:17:33 9 47
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Its almost entirely AZs fault, they made commitments they couldn't achieve. By the numbers being stated, they MUST have know they were going to fail as well
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ros
28/01/2021 13:05:45 7 1
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How on earth do you know.
No one else does.
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28/01/2021 14:15:10 0 0
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The EU wanted and requested that they scale up manufacture in the EU. Three months later... Not done. Go figure.
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28/01/2021 12:09:25 18 1
bbc
If the UK had a production hiccup, would the EU bail them out?
What is the EU's hiccup?
Perhaps not the EU way, but how about some sweet reason for a change? Grandstanding won't help anything?
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28/01/2021 12:18:20 3 15
bbc
Yes..... and we know that's the case.
UK AZ production wasn't up & running properly until recently, thus we were using EU produced vaccine of BOTH types (Pfizer is EU made).
And please remember this ISN'T UK vaccine or EU vaccine. It is vaccine produced by companies, who own it & who own the responsibility for satisfying all contracts they've entered into, irrespective of where vaccines are made.
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ros
28/01/2021 13:13:25 4 0
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And no one yet knows that the companies are not doing exactly that. It is only the EU CLAIMING that they are not. A lot of bluster now a cooloing of the rhetoric give the impression they have no grounds.
388
28/01/2021 14:32:29 2 0
bbc
You are under the impression that AZ have full control over making, & filling. These are done by 3rd parties and or subcontracted out.

UK gov have agreements with Oxford Biomedic(brew vaccine) and Wockhardt(bottleing) DIRECT, and AZ deals with these subbies to supply the EU are likley to be seperate.
UK gov have an 18month exclusive use, deal for ONE of the bottling lines.
669
28/01/2021 19:19:08 1 0
bbc
You really are totally clueless.
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28/01/2021 12:08:59 73 14
bbc
How much money did the EU invest in AZ to get it up and running? None!
UK? nearly £100m. The EU blames everything that goes wrong on someone else.

If they admitted their mistakes instead of making demands, we might be more inclined to help. Still, as the EU are saying, their responsibility is to "their" citizens. But sorry EU, our responsibility is to our citizens too.
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28/01/2021 12:18:42 1 11
bbc
I doubt you would be the least bit inclined to help, just empty words
24
28/01/2021 12:12:33 3 4
bbc
Get Angela Rayner to chair the negotiations
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28/01/2021 12:18:48 2 1
bbc
Nobody would understand her.
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28/01/2021 12:12:24 9 15
bbc
And, if they can't satisfy overall demand due to an issue which may conceivably be beyond their control, then they should spread the shortfall across all customers & not hit ONE of them by 60%. We seem to forget that, until recently, ALL the vaccines we were using in UK were manuf in EU.
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MVS
28/01/2021 12:18:57 4 0
bbc
And thank goodness that is no longer the case!
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28/01/2021 12:19:08 38 5
bbc
The Commission busy trying to deflect blame from themselves because they failed to place contracts early enough for AZ to put measures in place to expand supplies and also trying to screw the UK to stop the populace blaming them.

The UK should immediately ban the export of AZ vaccine if the EU carries out its threat to ban vaccine exports to other countries.
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28/01/2021 12:21:34 5 19
bbc
Doug can you direct me to the quote where this threat was made please?

I know the British press are saying this is the case but I can't find any record of it elsewhere?
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Das
28/01/2021 12:42:47 12 0
bbc
The EU administrative white elephant needs to blame someone when they awake from their siestas.
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28/01/2021 12:08:36 15 6
bbc
This is outrageous, I am absolutely shocked by the EUs behaviour in recent days, it seems that nutter Trump was right when he said the EU was a racketeering club, How on earth do they think that UK plants should supply them, is it because we have vaccinated more than them and it has shown them up, Also they have not approved it yet and with a take contract why are they running around like chickens
42
28/01/2021 12:20:00 4 5
bbc
The UK plant doesn't belong to the UK, it belongs to AZ. AZ made commitments that clearly it was never going to achieve
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28/01/2021 12:09:19 13 3
bbc
I don't hear too much about Germany obtaining doses outside of the EU agreement. So much for true solidarity!
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28/01/2021 12:20:02 3 8
bbc
As Ireland did, too. As any member state is fully entitled to do. See, here's the thing. Members are sovereign & can make their own decisions, follow the same approvals processes that we did (MHRA authorisations were under EU law). And a few did just that.
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28/01/2021 12:20:14 9 10
bbc
The British press state that the EU is demanding that AZ vaccine destined for British arms is instead diverted to the EU. The problem I is that I can't find those specific quotes and both the EU and AZ deny this is the truth. The UK is getting it's AZ vaccine and the EU would like British produced surplus to make up their shortfall.

Are the British Press suggesting we let people in the EU die?
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28/01/2021 12:22:54 6 15
bbc
"Are the British Press suggesting we let people in the EU die?"

I think that a lot of 'British Brexit' people are suggesting just that. It's disgusting, I hate this country.
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MVS
28/01/2021 12:26:46 8 0
bbc
Look at the online press from Germany, France and Italy over the past few days. It is all over them.
And are the EU suggesting that people in the UK should die instead?
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28/01/2021 12:39:16 9 1
bbc
No, the EU are not demanding access to a 'surplus', they are demanding the the UK supply is 'reduced' in line with the reduction the EU has seen and that the reduction should be spread across all customers.
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28/01/2021 12:40:33 8 0
bbc
There is no British surplus for the EU to have
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28/01/2021 12:25:53 3 0
bbc
No sir kier starmer is suggesting we let U.K. 65 yo s die so teachers get vaccinated first .....despite fact teachers don’t die from Covid any more than any other profession
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Das
28/01/2021 12:40:46 3 1
bbc
No, no one said that we should let people in the EU die. It's a business deal with Astra Zeneca, not with a public service like NHS or between countries. Remember the uncompromising EU cartel that made us discuss for three years to get a 'business deal'. Yeah, let them fight for each sardine and mackerel and vaccine. Good luck opportunistic EU moralists
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28/01/2021 12:12:53 22 32
bbc
The EU actually put £300 million into the AZ investment.
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MVS
28/01/2021 12:20:32 20 1
bbc
which is being used to create the manufacturing capability in the EU.
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28/01/2021 12:08:36 15 6
bbc
This is outrageous, I am absolutely shocked by the EUs behaviour in recent days, it seems that nutter Trump was right when he said the EU was a racketeering club, How on earth do they think that UK plants should supply them, is it because we have vaccinated more than them and it has shown them up, Also they have not approved it yet and with a take contract why are they running around like chickens
46
28/01/2021 12:20:39 1 1
bbc
Trump is the biggest grafter going, nothing he said can be trusted
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MVP
28/01/2021 12:08:01 27 8
bbc
There is a danger that this is going to turn into a political row.

Astra Zeneca is a British / Swedish company and some of the headlines in the tabloid press this morning have been deliberately inflammatory.
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MVS
28/01/2021 12:21:31 44 4
bbc
Almost as inflammatory as the statements made by the EU commissioners.
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28/01/2021 12:19:08 38 5
bbc
The Commission busy trying to deflect blame from themselves because they failed to place contracts early enough for AZ to put measures in place to expand supplies and also trying to screw the UK to stop the populace blaming them.

The UK should immediately ban the export of AZ vaccine if the EU carries out its threat to ban vaccine exports to other countries.
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28/01/2021 12:21:34 5 19
bbc
Doug can you direct me to the quote where this threat was made please?

I know the British press are saying this is the case but I can't find any record of it elsewhere?
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MVS
28/01/2021 12:24:55 16 0
bbc
2 minutes researching this will take you to about 15 such references. Try the Politico web site as a good reasonably unbiased start.
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ros
28/01/2021 13:08:32 15 0
bbc
Peter Liese , German MEP in Merkel'sparty.
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ros
28/01/2021 13:23:35 11 0
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German MEP Liese
376
28/01/2021 14:28:22 2 0
bbc
Try harder
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28/01/2021 12:09:17 52 1
bbc
Interesting the comments from the CEO of AstraZeneca match closely the pieces in the German press, a 3 month delay by the EU in signing contracts and starting to sort production issues has led to this mess.
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28/01/2021 12:21:44 0 19
bbc
It's called 'an excuse'. Unless there was a clause in the pre-order contract that said something like 'first come, first serve', then that's irrelevant. I find it interesting that AZ are making claims like this but seem reluctant to do as EU have requested & make the contract public.
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MVS
28/01/2021 12:28:54 18 0
bbc
Both parties agreed a confidentiality clause specifically to ensure neither party could reveal the terms in the event of a dispute. That is why AZ quite rightly are holding the EU to the contract.
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28/01/2021 14:16:35 2 0
bbc
The contract involves many parties, not just the EU and AstraZeneca so the EU have no place to order its disclosure. Of course you know this being such and expert an all..
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28/01/2021 12:06:57 105 17
bbc
If it was the other way round, could you imagine the glee from the EU in saying no to giving us their vaccines! At least the EU citizens can vote the people out who have messed this up for them ...... oh wait
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28/01/2021 12:21:56 8 24
bbc
Yes I think the EU would send vaccines our way, indeed the fist AZ ones came from Belgium
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28/01/2021 12:10:49 34 95
bbc
Err.... You're apparently another one of those, who has no idea that the Pfizer vaccine is EU made & that the AZ vaccine we used was, until recently, also manuf in EU. Add to that the fact that EU helped fund UK plant(s). And the humdinger...... It is not OUR vaccine or THEIR vaccine. It is the COMPANY'S vaccine & that company should take its' contractual obligations seriously.
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MVS
28/01/2021 12:22:32 18 0
bbc
It is taking them very seriously. And is determined to meet the contracts it has with the UK government.
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28/01/2021 16:20:34 0 0
bbc
But not the EU.
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28/01/2021 12:20:14 9 10
bbc
The British press state that the EU is demanding that AZ vaccine destined for British arms is instead diverted to the EU. The problem I is that I can't find those specific quotes and both the EU and AZ deny this is the truth. The UK is getting it's AZ vaccine and the EU would like British produced surplus to make up their shortfall.

Are the British Press suggesting we let people in the EU die?
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28/01/2021 12:22:54 6 15
bbc
"Are the British Press suggesting we let people in the EU die?"

I think that a lot of 'British Brexit' people are suggesting just that. It's disgusting, I hate this country.
79
28/01/2021 12:37:31 8 1
bbc
You can always leave.
127
28/01/2021 12:52:34 0 0
bbc
A question, what nationality are you?
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28/01/2021 12:51:20 0 0
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I love my country. But your hate is a very strong and self harming emotion.
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28/01/2021 12:08:59 73 14
bbc
How much money did the EU invest in AZ to get it up and running? None!
UK? nearly £100m. The EU blames everything that goes wrong on someone else.

If they admitted their mistakes instead of making demands, we might be more inclined to help. Still, as the EU are saying, their responsibility is to "their" citizens. But sorry EU, our responsibility is to our citizens too.
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28/01/2021 12:24:01 4 13
bbc
"How much money did the EU invest in AZ to get it up and running? None!"
Sorry but that's wrong. EU invested £297m in AZ vaccine production. Some of that went towards the UK facilities.
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28/01/2021 12:21:34 5 19
bbc
Doug can you direct me to the quote where this threat was made please?

I know the British press are saying this is the case but I can't find any record of it elsewhere?
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MVS
28/01/2021 12:24:55 16 0
bbc
2 minutes researching this will take you to about 15 such references. Try the Politico web site as a good reasonably unbiased start.
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28/01/2021 12:13:00 13 10
bbc
brexit means we don't have to put up with your rules anymore so put up and shut up we ordered vaccines 3 months before you tough we paid for development tough we make it faster tough now get on with it. who the hell do you think you are in the eu.?
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28/01/2021 12:25:16 6 6
bbc
Hi Muktar,

They placed an order 4 times the size of ours and they've paid too, that means they paid a lot more for the development of this vaccine than we did.

It's a minor point but if you intend to start some kind of war (trade, vaccine, shooting etc) it's best you're telling the truth about what is happening.

Ask Tony Blair!
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28/01/2021 12:41:34 2 0
bbc
Tony Blair, a paragon of truth? Just remember Iraq.
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28/01/2021 12:20:14 9 10
bbc
The British press state that the EU is demanding that AZ vaccine destined for British arms is instead diverted to the EU. The problem I is that I can't find those specific quotes and both the EU and AZ deny this is the truth. The UK is getting it's AZ vaccine and the EU would like British produced surplus to make up their shortfall.

Are the British Press suggesting we let people in the EU die?
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MVS
28/01/2021 12:26:46 8 0
bbc
Look at the online press from Germany, France and Italy over the past few days. It is all over them.
And are the EU suggesting that people in the UK should die instead?
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28/01/2021 12:56:48 1 0
bbc
I have done and they aren't attributing the quotes to anyone but their own opinion columnists, all I need is the name of an EU official who has suggested they will bring in sanctions on AZ if they continue to fulfil other orders.

I have not seen such a quote and until I do I wouldn't advocate the kind of vaccine nationalism people are suggesting here.
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28/01/2021 12:08:59 73 14
bbc
How much money did the EU invest in AZ to get it up and running? None!
UK? nearly £100m. The EU blames everything that goes wrong on someone else.

If they admitted their mistakes instead of making demands, we might be more inclined to help. Still, as the EU are saying, their responsibility is to "their" citizens. But sorry EU, our responsibility is to our citizens too.
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28/01/2021 12:26:58 4 19
bbc
Can I point out again that THIS IS NOT UK'S VACCINE. It is AZ's vaccine. And the company needs to use its' overall production to fulfil the contracts it has entered into. Unless there are clauses in the contract that negate their obligations, any shortfall should be spread & not targeted on one customer.

PS: BOTH vaccines used in UK came from EU, until recently.
275
28/01/2021 13:50:46 3 0
bbc
The UK gov did a deal direct with the bottling plant, no mention of Astra. The deal done by Astra zenca for the EU deliveries, is with a subcontractor only.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-further-boosts-uk-vaccine-manufacturing-capacity

Oxford Biomedia who are producing vaccine are also a seperate company to Astra. and are using UK Gov equipment supplied from the new VMIC
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28/01/2021 12:21:44 0 19
bbc
It's called 'an excuse'. Unless there was a clause in the pre-order contract that said something like 'first come, first serve', then that's irrelevant. I find it interesting that AZ are making claims like this but seem reluctant to do as EU have requested & make the contract public.
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MVS
28/01/2021 12:28:54 18 0
bbc
Both parties agreed a confidentiality clause specifically to ensure neither party could reveal the terms in the event of a dispute. That is why AZ quite rightly are holding the EU to the contract.
12
28/01/2021 12:08:36 15 6
bbc
This is outrageous, I am absolutely shocked by the EUs behaviour in recent days, it seems that nutter Trump was right when he said the EU was a racketeering club, How on earth do they think that UK plants should supply them, is it because we have vaccinated more than them and it has shown them up, Also they have not approved it yet and with a take contract why are they running around like chickens
59
28/01/2021 12:29:07 1 4
bbc
Should EU have said the vaccines we used, which were ALL produced in EU until recently, were THEIR'S? They have agreed to / paid for a certain volume of vaccine, which AZ has now said will be reduced by 60%. SIXTY PERCENT!!! Think about that. Think about the risk that poses to Europe AND UK.
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28/01/2021 12:29:53 78 6
bbc
SNP’s Shadow Brexit Secretary “At a time when the UK should be accelerating efforts to work with our EU partners towards finding a vaccine, it is concerning that the UK government has instead rejected the opportunity to take part in yet another EU-wide programme.

I do hope Sturgeon apologises for the SNP's shortsightedness ... after all BJ made sure Scotland has the vaccine the EU can't deliver
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28/01/2021 12:50:44 50 6
bbc
Kier Starmer is another one
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NMD
28/01/2021 13:26:22 3 15
bbc
You mean the Pfizer vaccines that came from EU plants in Belgium? And why on an article relating to AstraZeneca and the EU do you feel the urge to drag Scotland in? Oh, of course, the Glorious Leader has deigned to visit the uppity jocks today to remind them of how good life is under the Tory regime.
678
28/01/2021 20:11:49 1 0
bbc
Very well said. Was going to make exactly the same point myself. Wouldn't it be nice if our msm actually did its job for once and reminded nickla and indeed the rest of the snp/nat cohort of this? Don't hold your breath on that one.
690
29/01/2021 01:11:09 0 0
bbc
Isn't it... "the vaccine that Astra Zeneca can't deliver"?
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28/01/2021 12:30:28 72 2
bbc
The EU were 3 months behind the UK in ordering from AZ, and 2 months behind the UK in approving it (if indeed the DO approve it on Friday!).

Production in UK sites is working well.

Production problems are at Dutch and Belgian sites.

Of course we hope vaccines get in the arms of as many people worldwide as soon as possible, but it does seem the main reason for delay in Europe is the EU
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28/01/2021 12:33:04 15 57
bbc
You're wilfully confusing different issues. This vaccine is AZ's &, unless there are contractual clauses on PRE-orders which set a 'first come, first serve' principle, the timing of orders is irrelevant, as is the geographic source. But, for the record, until recently, ALL the vaccine in UK came from EU. Didn't see people like you quibbling about that.
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MVP
28/01/2021 12:08:01 27 8
bbc
There is a danger that this is going to turn into a political row.

Astra Zeneca is a British / Swedish company and some of the headlines in the tabloid press this morning have been deliberately inflammatory.
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28/01/2021 12:30:54 1 13
bbc
Of course. And those headlines are based on ignorance of the most basic things, like the source of ALL of our vaccine doses until recently. Sadly, it smacks of English exceptionalism. OUR vaccine. As if we can resolve the worldwide Covid crisis with narrow-minded nationalism.
228
28/01/2021 13:26:33 6 0
bbc
The AZ is being mass produced in Wales... hardly 'eNgLiSh ExEpTiOnAlIsM'
296
28/01/2021 13:58:01 1 0
bbc
Pathetic.
382
28/01/2021 14:30:21 1 0
bbc
Just stop it.
63
28/01/2021 12:30:58 5 1
bbc
Should be making better Vaccine`s with Virus Mutating and learning faster constantly we will need Vaccination`s for life a bit like Flu Jabs
93
28/01/2021 12:41:42 3 2
bbc
Flu vaccines aren't for life. We have an annual vaccination programme. Suspect Covid might end up in a similar position, being another RNA virus that mutates quite freely.
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28/01/2021 12:42:15 0 0
bbc
Better vaccines are needed. Your right....I’m sure that they are working on them.

Starmer said a couple of weeks ago. That someone should be working on something that gives us a better probability of producing something that can help. ...something like that
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28/01/2021 12:12:05 37 2
bbc
Litigation lawyers will be licking their chops

Best endeavours is a classic grey area between reasonable endeavours and a firm contractual obligation

AZ must try their best to deliver vaccine quantities to the EU and (probably) incur reasonable expenditure in order to do so. What they cannot be expected to do is break a contract with a firm customer eg the UK - there is an order of priority
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28/01/2021 12:31:00 1 19
bbc
It will come down to money as it always does. Which customer has the more stringent contract terms if you fail to deliver and which one will deliver the most future business.

I'm afraid we could be second on both those counts in which case this issue could turn very nasty.
379
28/01/2021 14:29:01 0 0
bbc
Nope.
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28/01/2021 12:31:21 86 10
bbc
During the Brexit negotiations EU officials took great delight in stating that the UK would be worse off outside the EU and that the UK should not expect special treatment. Now the boot is on the other foot they want to get their hands on UK vaccines because they have screwed up.
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NMD
28/01/2021 13:20:10 16 56
bbc
They're not UK vaccines, they're vaccines produced in the UK by a multi-national company that has breached its contract with the EU.
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28/01/2021 12:04:34 20 0
bbc
One possible approach to a resolution is to offer to ship the AZ vaccines inside the UK lorries trying to export meat and fish to France. That way, I am sure the 'bureaucracy' issues might suddenly get resolved.

On a serious side, the UK will have more than sufficient doses in production that can be distributed to other countries in dire straits, not just the EU.
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28/01/2021 12:08:05 5 1
bbc
Yes. To other countries based on their need. Brazil Mexico India Pakistan palestein.
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rob
28/01/2021 12:09:23 8 4
bbc
Oh the irony...you have to love the EU...always a one way ticket with them.
72
28/01/2021 12:34:00 3 9
bbc
Oh, you mean when THEY were providing us with ALL our vaccines, until recently. THAT one way ticket..... Vaccine from EU travelling to UK.
68
28/01/2021 12:06:39 8 3
bbc
I’d like to congratulate the bbc on using an accurate headline for this story.

Credit where it’s due.

Nothing whatsoever to do with the U.K. or brexit.
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28/01/2021 12:34:53 3 9
bbc
Indeed. Perhaps you could communicate that more clearly to some of your Brexity brethren below, who are making precisely that fallacious link. EU haters, to a man.
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28/01/2021 12:38:35 0 0
bbc
If only that we’re true.
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28/01/2021 12:30:28 72 2
bbc
The EU were 3 months behind the UK in ordering from AZ, and 2 months behind the UK in approving it (if indeed the DO approve it on Friday!).

Production in UK sites is working well.

Production problems are at Dutch and Belgian sites.

Of course we hope vaccines get in the arms of as many people worldwide as soon as possible, but it does seem the main reason for delay in Europe is the EU
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28/01/2021 12:33:04 15 57
bbc
You're wilfully confusing different issues. This vaccine is AZ's &, unless there are contractual clauses on PRE-orders which set a 'first come, first serve' principle, the timing of orders is irrelevant, as is the geographic source. But, for the record, until recently, ALL the vaccine in UK came from EU. Didn't see people like you quibbling about that.
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28/01/2021 12:51:45 21 2
bbc
Hmm. Funny how you see the Pfizer vaccine as the EU's vaccine but AZ's vaccine as AZ's vaccine. Only the other day the EU announced that any exports of vaccine from the EU would need EU approval. Up until that statement, I would have had a lot of sympathy with their plight. Seem's a case of wanting to have their cake and eat it to me.
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ros
28/01/2021 13:02:28 13 1
bbc
Which is why Brexit was essential.
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28/01/2021 13:35:44 9 0
bbc
So you order something 3 months before someone else but are happy for the other person to be served first. How many people are served in front of you in a restaurant, if you could go!
328
28/01/2021 14:10:21 3 1
bbc
Would you please either post a link your claim that all the vaccine came from the EU until recently or better still just STOP making stuff up.
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28/01/2021 14:18:26 3 1
bbc
Oh dear oh dear. Guess like me you’ve been in procurement and contract supply for 40 years. Bet your customers loved the principles you apply when interpreting such contracts by ignoring the specific articles and clauses.
456
28/01/2021 14:49:46 5 0
bbc
Oxford University own it - AZ manufacture it, EU muffed it
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28/01/2021 12:33:09 45 6
bbc
Is there a "special place in hell" for those that took 3 months too long to order their vaccines ...
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28/01/2021 12:36:35 8 38
bbc
Did they take too long? What is 'too long' in contractual terms? Is there a 'first come, first serve' clause in the AZ pre-order contract(s), which allows them to prioritise one to the exclusion of other(s)? If not, then EU is entirely correct & AZ's position is not legally sound.
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28/01/2021 12:38:13 2 0
bbc
And you can’t cherry pick clauses and add clauses after the event.
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28/01/2021 12:33:38 5 13
bbc
The EU wouldn't be taking this position if they didn't think they had a solid legal position. Let's face it, when it comes to following the law they have a far better record than us.
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MVS
28/01/2021 12:37:22 8 3
bbc
Name one occasion where the UK has been found not to have followed the law
95
28/01/2021 12:41:50 6 0
bbc
What ill judged rubbish you spout.... anyone might think you were a remoaner!
131
28/01/2021 12:54:14 4 0
bbc
If they had a solid legal case they were go through the normal legal channels. They are making these public statements to divert attention from their massive failings
155
28/01/2021 12:37:38 2 0
bbc
Not in my experience. Just the opposite.
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rob
28/01/2021 12:09:23 8 4
bbc
Oh the irony...you have to love the EU...always a one way ticket with them.
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28/01/2021 12:34:00 3 9
bbc
Oh, you mean when THEY were providing us with ALL our vaccines, until recently. THAT one way ticket..... Vaccine from EU travelling to UK.
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28/01/2021 12:34:35 65 12
bbc
So, the playground bully is on the losing side and wants to take the opposition ball away. Thank God we left this little club.
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28/01/2021 12:40:17 13 74
bbc
Oh, you mean the 'little club' (largest trading bloc in world) which was the source of 100% of our Covid vaccines until recently & is still providing us with a significant proportion? The 'little club' which part funded the UK vaccine plants. THAT 'little club'? Weird that the 'little club' expects a multinational company to live up to its' contractual commitments, eh?
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28/01/2021 12:06:39 8 3
bbc
I’d like to congratulate the bbc on using an accurate headline for this story.

Credit where it’s due.

Nothing whatsoever to do with the U.K. or brexit.
74
28/01/2021 12:34:53 3 9
bbc
Indeed. Perhaps you could communicate that more clearly to some of your Brexity brethren below, who are making precisely that fallacious link. EU haters, to a man.
177
28/01/2021 12:48:29 3 0
bbc
I didn’t say we can’t criticise the Eu on here ....

There is no way the Eu can come out of this looking anything other than bad.
75
28/01/2021 12:36:12 4 2
bbc
What is the English equivalent of Schadenfreude?
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28/01/2021 12:37:36 1 1
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Michael Gove, judging by today's interview.
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28/01/2021 12:38:15 1 3
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You find it funny do you?
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MVS
28/01/2021 12:40:53 3 0
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A quiet wry smile of satisfaction is all that is needed.
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28/01/2021 12:41:45 1 2
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I would use 'schadenfreude', but the closest I guess is 'two faced'
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28/01/2021 12:48:56 1 0
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There is none as we British are too honourable to even think it!
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28/01/2021 12:33:09 45 6
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Is there a "special place in hell" for those that took 3 months too long to order their vaccines ...
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28/01/2021 12:36:35 8 38
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Did they take too long? What is 'too long' in contractual terms? Is there a 'first come, first serve' clause in the AZ pre-order contract(s), which allows them to prioritise one to the exclusion of other(s)? If not, then EU is entirely correct & AZ's position is not legally sound.
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28/01/2021 12:55:10 12 0
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Wonder if the EU's contract stipulates where the vaccine is to be made, ie inside the EU ?
You have no basis for questioning AZ's position.
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28/01/2021 14:19:20 3 0
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My heavens you push some ill-informed misinformation around. We get that you are an EU fan boi but continually saying something does not make it true.
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28/01/2021 14:25:37 2 0
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In contractual terms there is no agreement until it is signed. The UK were 3 months ahead of the Brussels mob.
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28/01/2021 12:10:49 34 95
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Err.... You're apparently another one of those, who has no idea that the Pfizer vaccine is EU made & that the AZ vaccine we used was, until recently, also manuf in EU. Add to that the fact that EU helped fund UK plant(s). And the humdinger...... It is not OUR vaccine or THEIR vaccine. It is the COMPANY'S vaccine & that company should take its' contractual obligations seriously.
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28/01/2021 12:36:55 30 8
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"Add to that the fact that EU helped fund UK plant(s)."

No my friend you are making that same old remainer error!

"Funded by the EU" is a misnomer.

The EU funded NOTHING in the UK, absolutely zilch...
...they merely spent about a THIRD of the money we gave them in the first place on UK projects like this.

Give me tenner and I'll buy you a pint for £3 and explain it for you!
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28/01/2021 16:21:10 0 0
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Liar. Sorry but you are. £297m funding, part used for UK plants.
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28/01/2021 12:33:38 5 13
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The EU wouldn't be taking this position if they didn't think they had a solid legal position. Let's face it, when it comes to following the law they have a far better record than us.
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MVS
28/01/2021 12:37:22 8 3
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Name one occasion where the UK has been found not to have followed the law
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28/01/2021 12:50:50 0 3
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Umpteen international rulings of various sorts but that's par for the course for many nations. But you want something contemporary, where it was done consciously & deliberately. UKIM Bill & open declaration we were content to breach treaty. Now, fact we initiated it, even if we didn't complete it, does potentially constitute a breach in & of self. Then there's the Finance Bill.
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NMD
28/01/2021 13:21:02 0 1
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Where do you want us to start? Chagos Islands? Brexit Bill?
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28/01/2021 12:22:54 6 15
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"Are the British Press suggesting we let people in the EU die?"

I think that a lot of 'British Brexit' people are suggesting just that. It's disgusting, I hate this country.
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28/01/2021 12:37:31 8 1
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You can always leave.
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28/01/2021 12:36:12 4 2
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What is the English equivalent of Schadenfreude?
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28/01/2021 12:37:36 1 1
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Michael Gove, judging by today's interview.
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28/01/2021 12:47:08 0 0
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Irony

Schadenfreude a European word for comeuppance n deceipt without an accurate translation into English such that it’s actually used in English.

It’s a perfect analogy of brexit.

We are not of Europe.....but with it.....
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28/01/2021 12:09:45 8 1
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I trust that Astra Zeneca will honour the contractual commitments they've made - to all parties. To do anything less would be poor form.
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28/01/2021 12:37:51 51 4
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The EU were extremely slow to order vaccine. Some of the comments coming out of the EU these last few days have been nothing short of disgraceful
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28/01/2021 19:26:07 4 0
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UK did a far better job of procuring vaccines compared to EU. Yet they expect to get a priority access by intimidation. Disgusting behaviour.

And why are the EU only demanding access to the vaccine produced in UK? Why not from facilities in other counties? Doubt India or USA would put up with this and hand over all their AZ doses.
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28/01/2021 12:08:59 73 14
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How much money did the EU invest in AZ to get it up and running? None!
UK? nearly £100m. The EU blames everything that goes wrong on someone else.

If they admitted their mistakes instead of making demands, we might be more inclined to help. Still, as the EU are saying, their responsibility is to "their" citizens. But sorry EU, our responsibility is to our citizens too.
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28/01/2021 12:37:53 1 8
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try doing some fact checking ..you clearly have access to the internet before posting rubbish
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28/01/2021 12:37:53 6 3
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Looking forward to a lot of 'hot takes' from 'experts' who have read the commercially confident contracts in detail and not just EU are bullies merchants, lolz
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28/01/2021 12:46:17 0 4
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Indeed. If EU's interpretation is wrong, why is AZ hesitant to make the contract public, as EU has requested?
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28/01/2021 12:43:01 2 1
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https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/01/26/news/interview_pascal_soriot_ceo_astrazeneca_coronavirus_covid_vaccines-284349628/

Just read this. An interview with the guy who signed the contract.
Pretty sure he knows what’s in it.
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28/01/2021 12:36:12 4 2
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What is the English equivalent of Schadenfreude?
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28/01/2021 12:38:15 1 3
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You find it funny do you?
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28/01/2021 12:52:47 0 0
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yes
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28/01/2021 12:20:14 9 10
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The British press state that the EU is demanding that AZ vaccine destined for British arms is instead diverted to the EU. The problem I is that I can't find those specific quotes and both the EU and AZ deny this is the truth. The UK is getting it's AZ vaccine and the EU would like British produced surplus to make up their shortfall.

Are the British Press suggesting we let people in the EU die?
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28/01/2021 12:39:16 9 1
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No, the EU are not demanding access to a 'surplus', they are demanding the the UK supply is 'reduced' in line with the reduction the EU has seen and that the reduction should be spread across all customers.
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28/01/2021 12:51:57 1 0
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"No, the EU are not demanding access to a 'surplus', they are demanding the the UK supply is 'reduced' in line with the reduction the EU has seen"

Please will you provide the source of the quote because both AZ and the EU denied that was what they were doing, the EU because they have no legal right and AZ because their contractual obligations to the UK are unaffected by problems elsewhere?
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28/01/2021 12:34:35 65 12
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So, the playground bully is on the losing side and wants to take the opposition ball away. Thank God we left this little club.
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28/01/2021 12:40:17 13 74
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Oh, you mean the 'little club' (largest trading bloc in world) which was the source of 100% of our Covid vaccines until recently & is still providing us with a significant proportion? The 'little club' which part funded the UK vaccine plants. THAT 'little club'? Weird that the 'little club' expects a multinational company to live up to its' contractual commitments, eh?
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ros
28/01/2021 12:58:16 17 0
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They made prepayments for vaccines, which they claim they are paying less for than the ROW. A bit different from funding.
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ros
28/01/2021 13:03:59 19 0
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Which contractual commitments? They have not been made public yet. You' re merely making up facts to suit yourself.
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28/01/2021 13:20:23 13 0
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Not the 'largest trading bloc in the world' anymore - suggest you read up on RCEP.
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28/01/2021 13:53:19 2 1
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Your constant whining on the same point is getting boring. There needs to be a way to block these posts.
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28/01/2021 14:01:05 4 2
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That we ordered, months before the EU. EU only put thier order in for Pfeizer vaccine in November. You're getting battered on here, I'd give up. Even the likes of Peston are reporting it as the EU at fault.
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28/01/2021 14:16:18 3 0
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They did not fund any part of of the UK plant at all, what don't you understand about being a net contributor? We funded all of it and funded more in the EU, I think the words you and the EU are looking for are thank you.
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28/01/2021 14:20:22 2 0
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Oh dear oh dear again
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28/01/2021 12:20:14 9 10
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The British press state that the EU is demanding that AZ vaccine destined for British arms is instead diverted to the EU. The problem I is that I can't find those specific quotes and both the EU and AZ deny this is the truth. The UK is getting it's AZ vaccine and the EU would like British produced surplus to make up their shortfall.

Are the British Press suggesting we let people in the EU die?
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28/01/2021 12:40:33 8 0
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There is no British surplus for the EU to have
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28/01/2021 13:02:40 2 1
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Ian I'm sorry that is just a lie.

https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/wrexham-factory-produce-millions-doses-19539566

The Wrexham plant (one of 2 in the UK) produces 300m doses a year and there is a 3rd smaller plant attached to Oxford University.

AZ can deliver our order by March, we can't vaccinate everyone by March because of checks on batches, there is spare capacity.
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28/01/2021 12:36:12 4 2
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What is the English equivalent of Schadenfreude?
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MVS
28/01/2021 12:40:53 3 0
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A quiet wry smile of satisfaction is all that is needed.
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28/01/2021 12:41:14 15 1
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It’s ordered late, it’s still not approved, the lawyers at AZ will have far more experience of writing contracts than the bureaucratic eu. Once again I suspect politicians and their hangers on will take no responsibility for any mistakes. Once again who suffers, the normal everyday Joe who just wants to get on with life and rub along with their fellow man. This will won’t end well.
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28/01/2021 12:44:31 1 12
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Why on earth assume a company would be more experienced at contracts than EU? What a weird assumption. Seems chosen to fit your narrative i.e. start with the answer, then manufacture a rationale. Unless there is a clause in the contract that supports the 'first come, first serve' approach (which would be most atypical for PRE-ORDER contracts), then AZ is in potential breach.
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28/01/2021 12:25:16 6 6
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Hi Muktar,

They placed an order 4 times the size of ours and they've paid too, that means they paid a lot more for the development of this vaccine than we did.

It's a minor point but if you intend to start some kind of war (trade, vaccine, shooting etc) it's best you're telling the truth about what is happening.

Ask Tony Blair!
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28/01/2021 12:41:34 2 0
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Tony Blair, a paragon of truth? Just remember Iraq.
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28/01/2021 12:10:49 34 95
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Err.... You're apparently another one of those, who has no idea that the Pfizer vaccine is EU made & that the AZ vaccine we used was, until recently, also manuf in EU. Add to that the fact that EU helped fund UK plant(s). And the humdinger...... It is not OUR vaccine or THEIR vaccine. It is the COMPANY'S vaccine & that company should take its' contractual obligations seriously.
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28/01/2021 12:41:42 19 2
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I am well aware that the Pfizer vaccine is made at plants in the EU. But; if I had ordered a Porsche direct from the German Factory 3 months before someone in the EU - & they were given my car! I would be annoyed. This could all have been sorted out in a friendly manner. It's the EU "Spock Lookalike" that is manufacturing the grievance. Like PPE back in early days - the whole world wants it now!
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LH
28/01/2021 15:29:18 1 0
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But, I wouldn't expect them to deliver the Porsche BEFORE it was DESIGNED, BUILT or made ROADWORTHY, would I??!!!
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28/01/2021 12:30:58 5 1
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Should be making better Vaccine`s with Virus Mutating and learning faster constantly we will need Vaccination`s for life a bit like Flu Jabs
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28/01/2021 12:41:42 3 2
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Flu vaccines aren't for life. We have an annual vaccination programme. Suspect Covid might end up in a similar position, being another RNA virus that mutates quite freely.
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28/01/2021 12:36:12 4 2
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What is the English equivalent of Schadenfreude?
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28/01/2021 12:41:45 1 2
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I would use 'schadenfreude', but the closest I guess is 'two faced'
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28/01/2021 12:47:40 0 2
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I'm not sure which party you're directing that at but, if you mean that the EU supplied ALL our vaccine until recently & it seems a bit rich that we are eschewing reciprocation, then I agree.... Two faced & hypocritical
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28/01/2021 12:33:38 5 13
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The EU wouldn't be taking this position if they didn't think they had a solid legal position. Let's face it, when it comes to following the law they have a far better record than us.
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28/01/2021 12:41:50 6 0
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What ill judged rubbish you spout.... anyone might think you were a remoaner!
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28/01/2021 12:42:22 20 2
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The EU's entire vaccination strategy has been a disaster, and it's problems at plants in the EU that have exacerbated their failure.

So they try to hijack others' vaccines to put a sticking plaster on their failure. They're throwing their weight around to make other countries pick up the pieces just to save political face.

Vile behaviour, but let's face it, it's not in any way surprising.
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28/01/2021 13:54:41 0 1
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Agree totally.
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28/01/2021 19:16:52 0 0
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A manufacturing chain that THEY insisted on.
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28/01/2021 20:25:23 0 0
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Agree 100% and the fact they resort directly to demands reminds me oh so much of their brexit negotiations, something I thought we'd seen the back of, but that's the EU for you, Miss manage something into a disastee and scream until if goes away.
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28/01/2021 12:16:01 7 2
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Karma for the EU at last
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28/01/2021 12:45:18 2 9
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Well, given that until recently ALL UK vaccine was manufactured in the EU and ALL the Pfizer vaccine still is, seems you are talking out your posterior.
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28/01/2021 12:10:49 34 95
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Err.... You're apparently another one of those, who has no idea that the Pfizer vaccine is EU made & that the AZ vaccine we used was, until recently, also manuf in EU. Add to that the fact that EU helped fund UK plant(s). And the humdinger...... It is not OUR vaccine or THEIR vaccine. It is the COMPANY'S vaccine & that company should take its' contractual obligations seriously.
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28/01/2021 12:18:49 30 7
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If you want to be nationalistic.....

The company is British Swedish. Not an Eu company.

This episode is a huge own goal by the Eu. The world sees them as blocking vaccines until they get “their fair share” which is of course determined by themselves.

This story damages Eu. Regardless of outcome.
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28/01/2021 14:38:53 2 0
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I rather think 'the World' will see this as an undignified spat between the UK and EU who are both hoarding and controlling vaccine supplies for largely political purposes, while they (particularly the poorer Nations) get next to nowt.

Not very 'Global' on the part of either party.
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28/01/2021 16:21:58 0 0
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No companies are EU. They are either EU member based or multinationals.
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28/01/2021 12:16:16 51 2
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So the company should prioritise delivery of a vaccine to customers that ordered it 3 months after others and can't even use it yet because it is not approved! I don't think we will see the EU taking AZ to court, because they wont have a leg to stand on. There are delays to the Pfizer vaccine - why are the EU not grandstanding about taking that from the US supply? (because this is political)
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28/01/2021 12:43:13 25 0
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AZ should prioritise delivery as per it's contractual obligations to each party.

By the looks of it the EU want UK manufactured vaccines as it doesn't have an exclusivity clause with AZ. However it looks like the UK does, therefore cannot use UK production to top up the EU order, until it has fulfilled the UK order.
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28/01/2021 12:43:55 19 3
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The irony of the EU threatening to block it's vaccine exports whilst at the same time demanding the UK send over their supplied must be lost on them. Brexit 1 - Remain 0
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28/01/2021 13:11:47 1 6
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Once again, nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit:
1) Pfizer vaccine produced in EU
2) AZ vaccine, until recently, produced in EU
3) EU part funded UK plants
4) MHRA approved vaccines under EU law
5) Brexit may actually make it easier for EU to block export of Pfizer vaccine (90% efficacy) to UK & so mean we are left with AZ one (62% efficacy).