Coronavirus: Vaccinate teachers at half-term - Starmer
27/01/2021 | news | politics | 1,153
Labour calls for key workers to be added to the first phase of the vaccination programme.
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27/01/2021 14:55:09 5 8
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From BBC...

"This row with AstraZeneca is over a vaccine that the EU is yet to approve. That is likely to happen at the end of the week, but there are signs it may not be approved for the over 65s because of a perceived lack of efficacy testing within this age group."

Let's just hope that is wrong.

If it was right, it would be tragic.
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27/01/2021 15:02:25 7 8
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Do you think the Government has fiddled the testing of the Oxford vaccine.
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27/01/2021 14:58:01 7 9
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If we have no problems with obtaining vaccines what is the problem with vaccinating police, teachers etc.
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27/01/2021 15:06:28 9 2
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We can't get and deliver all that will be required instantaneously, as odd as that may seem.
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27/01/2021 15:31:12 1 0
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expecially the police they will be able to dine together and get their haircuts together
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27/01/2021 14:59:55 8 10
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Oh I've just seen the Labour Unicorn
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27/01/2021 15:01:21 11 11
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"The prime minister added: "I know how deeply frustrating it is, the extra burden that we have placed on families by closing the schools.""

Really? How many of his 6 children (that we know of) is he caring for/home schooling or looking after?
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27/01/2021 15:02:55 9 8
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Can he even name them?
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27/01/2021 15:21:59 2 2
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Really you are stooping as low as Starmer with this comment. At a time like this it is important that we stick together & do not throw insults at one another.
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27/01/2021 15:01:55 1 7
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I’m just wondering how educational staff feel in any of the top nine Priority Groups - are they to keep their fingers crossed for a couple of months?
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27/01/2021 15:11:01 5 2
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If they are in the first 9 priority groups then are they not already a priority regardless of the fact they are teachers ?

Is Labour suggesting we simply halt vaccination of the most vulnerable in favour of vaccination of all teachers, even young fit 30 somethings.

I don’t see how that policy would help to get the death rate under control.
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27/01/2021 14:55:09 5 8
bbc
From BBC...

"This row with AstraZeneca is over a vaccine that the EU is yet to approve. That is likely to happen at the end of the week, but there are signs it may not be approved for the over 65s because of a perceived lack of efficacy testing within this age group."

Let's just hope that is wrong.

If it was right, it would be tragic.
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27/01/2021 15:02:25 7 8
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Do you think the Government has fiddled the testing of the Oxford vaccine.
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27/01/2021 15:07:32 2 5
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I don't know. But it sounds like there are some concerns about it. The BBC has subtly moved its reporting of this, so maybe it knows more.
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27/01/2021 15:01:21 11 11
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"The prime minister added: "I know how deeply frustrating it is, the extra burden that we have placed on families by closing the schools.""

Really? How many of his 6 children (that we know of) is he caring for/home schooling or looking after?
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27/01/2021 15:02:55 9 8
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Can he even name them?
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27/01/2021 15:37:48 1 2
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One of them is named after him apparently, 'Errman.
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27/01/2021 15:04:19 2 11
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So Sir Starmer, who would you like to be pushed back down the queue to achieve that?

Although I admit I believe those who necessarily have contact with others should be at or near the top of the list.

I'd defer those on furlough, those WFH, those who don't work (mainly pensioners & those living entirely on benefits). Unless they live alone or are in a high risk group.
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27/01/2021 15:57:37 2 9
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Leave it to the experts.
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27/01/2021 15:04:34 48 4
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Let's get all the current priority groups vaccinated first to ease pressure on hospital ICUs. Then we can address the other groups when the government have decided the priorities.
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27/01/2021 15:10:03 5 7
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I would have thought they already have. Although they might be under constant review as Covid doesn't work according to plans and some of the population find the guidance confusing or think it does not apply to them.
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27/01/2021 15:05:15 107 18
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I don’t get labours logic here, at this point it is simply unknown if any of these vaccines will actually stop someone being able to catch this virus and still be able to transmit it to others.

Given this the current approach of vaccination of those most likely to become seriously ill and sadly die would seem to be the correct one.

Why vaccinate fit 30 year old teachers and leave other to die ?
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27/01/2021 15:07:39 10 47
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So you think there is a shortage of Vaccine?
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27/01/2021 15:12:43 1 15
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Those also happen to be the group who have been and can continue to self isolate. Unless they're in hospitals or care homes and in that case it's obviously the staff who need vaccines first.
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27/01/2021 17:23:22 1 5
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If you are vulnerable you should be shielding anyway. The only way they would get the virus is if they are breaking lockdown rules to begin with. Labour obviously wants to prioritise education of children.
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27/01/2021 20:13:45 0 0
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It wont stop anyone actually catching it. It will stop them being ill, reduce their illness symptoms or maybe have no effect.
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27/01/2021 20:15:39 5 1
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What it boils down to is Captain Hindsight trying to please the teachers unions.
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28/01/2021 00:45:30 1 0
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Not unknown , it is clearly stated even by vaccine manufactuers that there is a quantifiable risk of those vaccinated catching and transmitting covid, and even dying of it.
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27/01/2021 14:58:01 7 9
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If we have no problems with obtaining vaccines what is the problem with vaccinating police, teachers etc.
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27/01/2021 15:06:28 9 2
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We can't get and deliver all that will be required instantaneously, as odd as that may seem.
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27/01/2021 15:12:17 2 3
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Not even by March 8th?
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27/01/2021 15:06:54 3 3
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Brilliant idea. Vaccinate the teachers but what about the children who don't follow the distancing rules. Schools are closed to stop the spread of the virus. Of course crystal balls are a wonderful thing.
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27/01/2021 15:18:28 1 2
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Send them home or let them take their chances depending on individual circumstances and staff discretion, they're in a low risk group after all.
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27/01/2021 15:07:17 10 8
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Labour chasing the votes of teachers, no great surprise. Are teachers at materially greater or lesser risk than other workers, well?
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27/01/2021 15:09:32 5 5
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In secondary schools certainly and at University too.
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27/01/2021 15:11:04 4 1
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No. They aren’t.
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27/01/2021 15:17:05 1 2
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Stupid politically driven comment.

Why should it be for some that all Tory suggestions are good and Labours are bad or vice versa

A good idea is a good idea and to make a suggestion is neither good, bad, helpful or unhelpful

The political source and predudice does not change the quality of the action
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27/01/2021 15:20:55 2 0
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Well, their contacts are all known to them and a finite size group, whereas supermarket workers deal with unknown customers and arbitrary varying numbers.
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27/01/2021 15:25:45 1 2
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Stop trying to read some political motive into this.

Its pretty logical. In simple terms if Teachers & support staff are ill or isolating, Year groups or schools close, and then it 'log jams' working parents ability to go out to work.

Try and make a grown up comment please.
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27/01/2021 15:29:52 0 3
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Comedy gold! Why would they ever need to do that? Only 95 of teachers were willing to vote Conservative just prior to the last election when Corbyn was in charge. In 2107 60% voted labour and only 12 % Tory. And then Johnson inflicted Williamson on them.
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27/01/2021 15:28:59 4 0
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labour chasing the teachers union money
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27/01/2021 15:02:25 7 8
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Do you think the Government has fiddled the testing of the Oxford vaccine.
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27/01/2021 15:07:32 2 5
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I don't know. But it sounds like there are some concerns about it. The BBC has subtly moved its reporting of this, so maybe it knows more.
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27/01/2021 15:14:41 5 2
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There isn't as story here at all.

The German Govt roundly criticised the German Newspapers that published this story as it they got thier data totally wrong and assumed a sample group was the efficacy rate.

Really its just dunderhead reporting.

I thought you would have checked that out before posting.
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27/01/2021 15:05:15 107 18
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I don’t get labours logic here, at this point it is simply unknown if any of these vaccines will actually stop someone being able to catch this virus and still be able to transmit it to others.

Given this the current approach of vaccination of those most likely to become seriously ill and sadly die would seem to be the correct one.

Why vaccinate fit 30 year old teachers and leave other to die ?
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27/01/2021 15:07:39 10 47
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So you think there is a shortage of Vaccine?
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27/01/2021 15:10:00 4 2
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7.5 bio people on planet.

Do you think there might be shortages globally ?
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27/01/2021 15:15:43 20 3
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No , I think it’s not possible to vaccinate 50 million adults in a couple of months so the current approach of vaccination being prioritised to the most vulnerable would seem correct.
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27/01/2021 18:23:15 4 0
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The whole World knows that there are bottlenecks in the safe delivery of vaccines!
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27/01/2021 19:22:34 2 1
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You can only inject some many a day, otherwise we'd be done in 1 day. Are you confused?
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28/01/2021 10:52:00 0 0
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Yes.
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27/01/2021 15:08:21 16 13
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I'm in the younger adults with underlying health conditions. I will happily surrender my vaccine to my children's primary school teacher and remain locked down myself. Our children's education is more important.
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27/01/2021 15:22:20 13 3
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but if they bring it home to you... Maybe you should stick with home schooling until you're vaccinated.
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27/01/2021 15:08:23 2 9
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Both teachers and pupils should be vaccinated at the same time. This will help stop spreading the virus to their parents.
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27/01/2021 15:12:59 5 0
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So far they simply don’t know if, once vaccinated, you will then be unable to still be a carrier and potentially infect others, so given that I don’t see how this approach would curb the death rate.
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27/01/2021 15:15:32 2 0
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Vaccines do not stop transmission
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Ged
27/01/2021 15:09:08 31 5
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The priority groups are those deemed most at risk. Are we really changing it to those who shout loudest?
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27/01/2021 15:24:01 18 0
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That's how it seems to be working. Every group or at least some members of each group, seems to think they're "special".
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27/01/2021 15:07:17 10 8
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Labour chasing the votes of teachers, no great surprise. Are teachers at materially greater or lesser risk than other workers, well?
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27/01/2021 15:09:32 5 5
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In secondary schools certainly and at University too.
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27/01/2021 15:18:23 4 1
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Go do some research, start with ONS figures which confirm teachers are not high risk . Then ask yourself about the opportunity cost of death in those vulnerable sub populations that would forgo vaccination so that Starmer could buy votes.
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27/01/2021 15:04:34 48 4
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Let's get all the current priority groups vaccinated first to ease pressure on hospital ICUs. Then we can address the other groups when the government have decided the priorities.
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27/01/2021 15:10:03 5 7
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I would have thought they already have. Although they might be under constant review as Covid doesn't work according to plans and some of the population find the guidance confusing or think it does not apply to them.
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27/01/2021 15:09:06 13 6
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Who should wait ?

60-65 year olds? 2.9mio of them

Death rate is 1%?

Infection rate ?

Let’s be conservative......

Say 1000 deaths mr starmer

Acceptable ?

Or avoidable ?

How manyteachers have died in the entire crisis ?

Think it through
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27/01/2021 15:15:55 6 7
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I note many more teachers than MPs have died of Covid-19.
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27/01/2021 15:23:06 0 2
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Are teachers likely to spread it more readily than isolating older people? As a nation do we want our children back in school?

Stammer makes a useful suggestion for consideration. I suspect the govt. will take it seriously.
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27/01/2021 15:07:39 10 47
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So you think there is a shortage of Vaccine?
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27/01/2021 15:10:00 4 2
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7.5 bio people on planet.

Do you think there might be shortages globally ?
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27/01/2021 15:01:55 1 7
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I’m just wondering how educational staff feel in any of the top nine Priority Groups - are they to keep their fingers crossed for a couple of months?
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27/01/2021 15:11:01 5 2
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If they are in the first 9 priority groups then are they not already a priority regardless of the fact they are teachers ?

Is Labour suggesting we simply halt vaccination of the most vulnerable in favour of vaccination of all teachers, even young fit 30 somethings.

I don’t see how that policy would help to get the death rate under control.
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27/01/2021 15:11:10 46 12
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Almost 2% of 60-69 age die within 28 days of Covid so every 100 vaccines given to young teachers could result in the death of 2 people. The vaccine doesn’t stop from catching Covid, you still have to isolate if you catch it so won’t keep More teachers at school. Figures show that teachers are below average risk. Is maths not Starmer’s strong point?
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27/01/2021 15:15:04 13 32
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Teachers at Primary schools are at the same risk as everybody else. However, teachers in secondary schools, colleges and university are at greater risks. Do you need help in interpreting the statistics I can help you.
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27/01/2021 15:20:34 4 12
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There are around 450,000 teachers and around 950,000 total school staff. You are suggesting that diverting two days worth of vaccine shots would result in an additional 19,000 deaths of 60-69 year olds? Unlikely.
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27/01/2021 15:45:09 3 9
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Where are the data that support your assertion that teachers are at lower risk? Is it the flawed analysis by the BBC that only a few more teachers died than workers in other jobs? This probably reflects the fact that most of the data comes from a period when schools were closed to the majority of pupils.
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27/01/2021 16:22:18 1 4
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Which figures Steve. Read up mate. And not all of us are young and in perfect nick
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27/01/2021 15:07:17 10 8
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Labour chasing the votes of teachers, no great surprise. Are teachers at materially greater or lesser risk than other workers, well?
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27/01/2021 15:11:04 4 1
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No. They aren’t.
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27/01/2021 15:16:27 2 2
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It is not so much about individual risk - more about spread.
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DMT
27/01/2021 15:12:06 130 30
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Vaccinating all teachers instead of the people identified as at higher risk of serious illness or death doesn’t make sense. Who is going to tell the 60 year old shop worker with severe asthma etc etc he/she has to wait until after all the 21 year old teachers have been vaccinated.
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27/01/2021 15:19:09 36 69
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The youngest teachers would be older than 21.
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27/01/2021 15:30:24 10 15
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It's not about protecting teachers from serious illness, it's about keeping teachers in school rather than at home recovering from covid. Schools cannot open without sufficient teachers, and workers cannot go to work if they have to look after and teach their kids at home.
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27/01/2021 16:46:52 12 1
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Its all the idiotic parents having a non social distanced chat outside schools that don't help
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27/01/2021 20:41:12 0 1
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That shop worker should be self isolating.
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27/01/2021 22:32:54 0 1
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I am 56. I am a teacher. I have a brain tumour. I have to wait in line. Why not have a vaccination programme that also takes social expectation into account. Someone who can isolate and someone who cannot e.g. because of work. I would also like to point out that teachers are not all 21. In fact teachers are very unlikely to be 21. Your comment was a bit silly.
28/01/2021 13:04:35 0 1
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Well, how about because we that work in schools have a lot of contact with other people. I guess that you feel like a safe troll who works from home and just likes to mock Starmer's good sense. School does not feel safe. You want the kids at school, make sure that we that work there are safe.
28/01/2021 17:15:33 0 0
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If it were to happen its a days extra wait on average as the number of teachers is roughly equal to the number of daily jabs.
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27/01/2021 15:12:10 10 12
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Starmer really is a $$$$.
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27/01/2021 15:13:59 6 5
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Why?
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27/01/2021 15:18:00 3 2
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Common sense not your strong card?
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27/01/2021 15:22:10 5 2
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A unit of US Currency?

A bit odd-Are you sure about that?
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27/01/2021 16:51:06 0 0
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Suppose you think our glorious leader is doing a wonder job. What a dipstick
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27/01/2021 15:06:28 9 2
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We can't get and deliver all that will be required instantaneously, as odd as that may seem.
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27/01/2021 15:12:17 2 3
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Not even by March 8th?
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27/01/2021 17:10:13 0 0
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Apparently not. Red tape means it's difficult to coopt qualified, experienced retired clinical staff back to help. Who knew an elderly doctor would be so likely to be an active kiddy fiddler who will have their wicked way with a child in the few moments it takes to give an injection.
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jon
27/01/2021 15:12:25 35 11
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I think the staff in supermarkets should get vaccinated before teachers.
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27/01/2021 15:17:23 7 15
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They should be vaccinated as well as teachers, not before.
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27/01/2021 15:18:31 3 9
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Do staff in supermarkets ever get surrounded by thirty individuals who do not understand social distancing.
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27/01/2021 15:19:08 3 10
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Staff in supermarkets can socially distance and are not surrounded by 30 odd children. You think 5 and 6 year olds can socially distance and still get an education?
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27/01/2021 15:21:19 4 5
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As much as I sympathise I can't agree with you on that.

The problem with that is that if a school loses teachers & support staff to Corona, then its a section or a whole school closed and the kids back at home with thier parents, who then have the problem of getting out to work. Its safe to assume some of these would be retail workers.

I trust you see the logic.
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27/01/2021 15:21:42 0 12
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Supermarkets should be closed. There is a pandemic.
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27/01/2021 15:05:15 107 18
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I don’t get labours logic here, at this point it is simply unknown if any of these vaccines will actually stop someone being able to catch this virus and still be able to transmit it to others.

Given this the current approach of vaccination of those most likely to become seriously ill and sadly die would seem to be the correct one.

Why vaccinate fit 30 year old teachers and leave other to die ?
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27/01/2021 15:12:43 1 15
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Those also happen to be the group who have been and can continue to self isolate. Unless they're in hospitals or care homes and in that case it's obviously the staff who need vaccines first.
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27/01/2021 15:37:39 11 1
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No. The vulnerable need it first to lessen the effect if/when they become infected. Vaccinating careers without the cared for will achieve nothing as you are still potentially a carrier after having the vaccine.
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27/01/2021 15:08:23 2 9
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Both teachers and pupils should be vaccinated at the same time. This will help stop spreading the virus to their parents.
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27/01/2021 15:12:59 5 0
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So far they simply don’t know if, once vaccinated, you will then be unable to still be a carrier and potentially infect others, so given that I don’t see how this approach would curb the death rate.
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27/01/2021 15:13:30 13 18
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Can't agree more.. Teachers should be at the head of the queue along with many other close contact professions
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Ged
27/01/2021 15:37:50 6 0
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So who moves down the queue? Answer - those more vulnerable
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27/01/2021 14:55:09 5 8
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From BBC...

"This row with AstraZeneca is over a vaccine that the EU is yet to approve. That is likely to happen at the end of the week, but there are signs it may not be approved for the over 65s because of a perceived lack of efficacy testing within this age group."

Let's just hope that is wrong.

If it was right, it would be tragic.
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27/01/2021 15:29:42 1 1
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That was not very re-assuring.
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27/01/2021 15:12:10 10 12
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Starmer really is a $$$$.
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27/01/2021 15:13:59 6 5
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Why?
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27/01/2021 15:07:32 2 5
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I don't know. But it sounds like there are some concerns about it. The BBC has subtly moved its reporting of this, so maybe it knows more.
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27/01/2021 15:14:41 5 2
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There isn't as story here at all.

The German Govt roundly criticised the German Newspapers that published this story as it they got thier data totally wrong and assumed a sample group was the efficacy rate.

Really its just dunderhead reporting.

I thought you would have checked that out before posting.
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27/01/2021 15:11:10 46 12
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Almost 2% of 60-69 age die within 28 days of Covid so every 100 vaccines given to young teachers could result in the death of 2 people. The vaccine doesn’t stop from catching Covid, you still have to isolate if you catch it so won’t keep More teachers at school. Figures show that teachers are below average risk. Is maths not Starmer’s strong point?
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27/01/2021 15:15:04 13 32
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Teachers at Primary schools are at the same risk as everybody else. However, teachers in secondary schools, colleges and university are at greater risks. Do you need help in interpreting the statistics I can help you.
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27/01/2021 15:44:04 8 1
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So I assume you’re happy for taxi drivers to be a higher priority and then others followed by MALE secondary school teachers who may have a slightly elevated risk. Imagine the furore if a gov suggested vaccinating men before women even though it is the best way to cut deaths
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27/01/2021 16:52:36 4 4
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Wrong, primary school teachers re about 40% less likely to catch COVID then the mean
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28/01/2021 11:14:07 1 1
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So teachers think they are more important than emergency services, cleaners, bin men and shop workers etc, who have a higher risk than teachers, but because they have a manual job, they are less important.
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27/01/2021 15:08:23 2 9
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Both teachers and pupils should be vaccinated at the same time. This will help stop spreading the virus to their parents.
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27/01/2021 15:15:32 2 0
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Vaccines do not stop transmission
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27/01/2021 15:07:39 10 47
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So you think there is a shortage of Vaccine?
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27/01/2021 15:15:43 20 3
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No , I think it’s not possible to vaccinate 50 million adults in a couple of months so the current approach of vaccination being prioritised to the most vulnerable would seem correct.
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27/01/2021 15:09:06 13 6
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Who should wait ?

60-65 year olds? 2.9mio of them

Death rate is 1%?

Infection rate ?

Let’s be conservative......

Say 1000 deaths mr starmer

Acceptable ?

Or avoidable ?

How manyteachers have died in the entire crisis ?

Think it through
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27/01/2021 15:15:55 6 7
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I note many more teachers than MPs have died of Covid-19.
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27/01/2021 15:58:47 1 0
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There are more teachers than MPs! How many per 500 of each profession.
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27/01/2021 15:16:27 2 2
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It is not so much about individual risk - more about spread.
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27/01/2021 15:20:45 2 0
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And you actually think that vaccines stop transmission, I genuinely hope you are not a teacher!
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27/01/2021 15:15:04 32 5
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Why? when reports yesterday indicated that teachers were at no more risk than anyone else?
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27/01/2021 15:20:49 17 22
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I would invite you to spend 6 hours in a small room with 30 teenagers from different households and see if you still think you're at the same level of risk as a man sitting in his home study all day.
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27/01/2021 15:21:55 6 2
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Only true for primary schools.
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27/01/2021 15:07:17 10 8
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Labour chasing the votes of teachers, no great surprise. Are teachers at materially greater or lesser risk than other workers, well?
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27/01/2021 15:17:05 1 2
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Stupid politically driven comment.

Why should it be for some that all Tory suggestions are good and Labours are bad or vice versa

A good idea is a good idea and to make a suggestion is neither good, bad, helpful or unhelpful

The political source and predudice does not change the quality of the action
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27/01/2021 15:17:20 24 4
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When are people going to realise that the vaccine does not stop transmission.
Vaccinating teachers will not stop the children spreading the virus to their families and will not stop the teachers taking the virus home to their families.
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27/01/2021 15:19:36 10 23
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It stops them contracting the virus and being distressed about possibly catching it whenever they set foot in their school.
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27/01/2021 15:21:35 4 6
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Might reduce the number of teachers off sick; so that the children can be taught.
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27/01/2021 15:46:17 0 4
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We don't know all the answers at this point (maybe never will 100%), but you're absolutely right, we should assume that those who are vaccinated may still infect others. Which is why all those who cannot isolate and also in proportions to how many they have contact with, need to be higher on the priority list .
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jon
27/01/2021 15:12:25 35 11
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I think the staff in supermarkets should get vaccinated before teachers.
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27/01/2021 15:17:23 7 15
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They should be vaccinated as well as teachers, not before.
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27/01/2021 17:46:30 0 0
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They should have the choice, you mean. We are not in Nazi Germany
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27/01/2021 15:12:10 10 12
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Starmer really is a $$$$.
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as
27/01/2021 15:18:00 3 2
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Common sense not your strong card?
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27/01/2021 15:09:32 5 5
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In secondary schools certainly and at University too.
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27/01/2021 15:18:23 4 1
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Go do some research, start with ONS figures which confirm teachers are not high risk . Then ask yourself about the opportunity cost of death in those vulnerable sub populations that would forgo vaccination so that Starmer could buy votes.
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27/01/2021 15:06:54 3 3
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Brilliant idea. Vaccinate the teachers but what about the children who don't follow the distancing rules. Schools are closed to stop the spread of the virus. Of course crystal balls are a wonderful thing.
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27/01/2021 15:18:28 1 2
bbc
Send them home or let them take their chances depending on individual circumstances and staff discretion, they're in a low risk group after all.
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jon
27/01/2021 15:12:25 35 11
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I think the staff in supermarkets should get vaccinated before teachers.
49
27/01/2021 15:18:31 3 9
bbc
Do staff in supermarkets ever get surrounded by thirty individuals who do not understand social distancing.
159
27/01/2021 15:52:03 7 1
bbc
Maybe. On the other hand all of the 30 are known and contactable. Supermarket work could be close to many more people during a day with less chance of contact tracing.
sw
28/01/2021 11:21:06 1 0
bbc
Have you been in supermarkets lately?
50
27/01/2021 15:18:35 7 14
bbc
I can't believe it's taken this long to call for teachers to be vaccinated. Why not do it now?
84
27/01/2021 15:29:05 9 0
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Who should teachers be prioritised over,

The over 80’s

The clinical vulnerable

NHS staff.

How would this change in policy help to bring down our terrible death rate ?
Or stop groups now pushed down the list from needing hospitalisation?
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Ged
27/01/2021 16:51:07 1 0
bbc
The JCVI priority list is well explained. It will save more lives and reduce the workload on our stretched NHS. It is not designed to keep any sector more productive. Teachers and pupils are not bed blockers, members of the priority list are. The country as a whole will get back to 'normal' when deaths reduce and the NHS can function as intended.
773
27/01/2021 22:11:21 0 0
bbc
Because we save lives first!
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jon
27/01/2021 15:12:25 35 11
bbc
I think the staff in supermarkets should get vaccinated before teachers.
51
27/01/2021 15:19:08 3 10
bbc
Staff in supermarkets can socially distance and are not surrounded by 30 odd children. You think 5 and 6 year olds can socially distance and still get an education?
170
27/01/2021 15:55:17 8 1
bbc
Well they did when I was at school no reason why not now. Then again, they could all eat with a knife and fork and stand still in a queue too.
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DMT
27/01/2021 15:12:06 130 30
bbc
Vaccinating all teachers instead of the people identified as at higher risk of serious illness or death doesn’t make sense. Who is going to tell the 60 year old shop worker with severe asthma etc etc he/she has to wait until after all the 21 year old teachers have been vaccinated.
52
27/01/2021 15:19:09 36 69
bbc
The youngest teachers would be older than 21.
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DMT
27/01/2021 15:27:51 13 3
bbc
Not if they did a Batchelor in Education degree. Not all go in as post graduates.
147
27/01/2021 15:48:45 9 0
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support staff and teaching assistants could be 21.
173
27/01/2021 15:57:08 3 1
bbc
Well that completely overturns the argument then!
250
27/01/2021 16:29:53 3 0
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It is flow of the argument which is the point, not the actual ages used as an example. DMT is correct.
509
27/01/2021 18:17:28 8 3
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The age (21) may be inaccurate but the point is well made. Current data suggests teachers are no more likely to gat C19 than the general population. If we do move to a list based on occupational risk looks like teachers should come after shop workers.
628
27/01/2021 19:33:55 2 0
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Support staff? Teaching Assistants? He want them all to get priority!
Dick Removed
862
28/01/2021 09:09:13 1 0
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teaching assistants can be that young
44
27/01/2021 15:17:20 24 4
bbc
When are people going to realise that the vaccine does not stop transmission.
Vaccinating teachers will not stop the children spreading the virus to their families and will not stop the teachers taking the virus home to their families.
53
27/01/2021 15:19:36 10 23
bbc
It stops them contracting the virus and being distressed about possibly catching it whenever they set foot in their school.
67
27/01/2021 15:23:04 11 0
bbc
No it does not.
It reduces the effect of the virus on the vaccinated person. They are also still carriers.
75
27/01/2021 15:25:35 13 0
bbc
As far as I’m aware these vaccines will not stop you actually catching the virus and being a vector of transmission. All they have scientifically proven is that they will prevent serious illnesses and death.

So this logic from labour would seem wrong, even if all teachers where vaccinated some could and would still contract it and infect others.
97
27/01/2021 15:29:28 6 0
bbc
The same could said of anybody who is having to go to work such as policemen, supermarket employees ect
123
27/01/2021 15:39:54 7 0
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You mean it's perfect for anyone who cares not a jot for anyone but themselves.
24
27/01/2021 15:11:10 46 12
bbc
Almost 2% of 60-69 age die within 28 days of Covid so every 100 vaccines given to young teachers could result in the death of 2 people. The vaccine doesn’t stop from catching Covid, you still have to isolate if you catch it so won’t keep More teachers at school. Figures show that teachers are below average risk. Is maths not Starmer’s strong point?
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27/01/2021 15:20:34 4 12
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There are around 450,000 teachers and around 950,000 total school staff. You are suggesting that diverting two days worth of vaccine shots would result in an additional 19,000 deaths of 60-69 year olds? Unlikely.
41
27/01/2021 15:16:27 2 2
bbc
It is not so much about individual risk - more about spread.
55
27/01/2021 15:20:45 2 0
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And you actually think that vaccines stop transmission, I genuinely hope you are not a teacher!
42
27/01/2021 15:15:04 32 5
bbc
Why? when reports yesterday indicated that teachers were at no more risk than anyone else?
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27/01/2021 15:20:49 17 22
bbc
I would invite you to spend 6 hours in a small room with 30 teenagers from different households and see if you still think you're at the same level of risk as a man sitting in his home study all day.
100
27/01/2021 15:31:01 6 0
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How about policemen, supermarket employees
102
27/01/2021 15:31:53 13 2
bbc
I don't need to. The Office for National Statistics has looked at the figures and confirmed that teachers are not at risk.
148
27/01/2021 15:48:47 8 1
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Compare with a supermarket worker or NHS staff and I'd say the risk is less and the chance of tracing all the contacts far higher.
305
27/01/2021 16:54:28 6 3
bbc
God knows why teachers chose their profession as they do nothing but complain

Most teachers are sitting in their home study all day
508
27/01/2021 18:17:16 3 0
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Spending time etc....... Sounds a bit like a lot of nhs staff who are currently working with the general public during their working day, many of whom are actually covid +ve. Far far more stressful but getting on with the job
sw
28/01/2021 11:18:34 1 0
bbc
As compared to police dealing with spitting violent people. Less risk?
13
27/01/2021 15:07:17 10 8
bbc
Labour chasing the votes of teachers, no great surprise. Are teachers at materially greater or lesser risk than other workers, well?
57
27/01/2021 15:20:55 2 0
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Well, their contacts are all known to them and a finite size group, whereas supermarket workers deal with unknown customers and arbitrary varying numbers.
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jon
27/01/2021 15:12:25 35 11
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I think the staff in supermarkets should get vaccinated before teachers.
58
27/01/2021 15:21:19 4 5
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As much as I sympathise I can't agree with you on that.

The problem with that is that if a school loses teachers & support staff to Corona, then its a section or a whole school closed and the kids back at home with thier parents, who then have the problem of getting out to work. Its safe to assume some of these would be retail workers.

I trust you see the logic.
sw
28/01/2021 11:22:26 1 1
bbc
But why are teachers more special than other key workers.
44
27/01/2021 15:17:20 24 4
bbc
When are people going to realise that the vaccine does not stop transmission.
Vaccinating teachers will not stop the children spreading the virus to their families and will not stop the teachers taking the virus home to their families.
59
27/01/2021 15:21:35 4 6
bbc
Might reduce the number of teachers off sick; so that the children can be taught.
78
27/01/2021 15:26:56 5 0
bbc
If they are not tested then that is true, however they should be tested regularly and if positive need to self isolate so the end result is the same.
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jon
27/01/2021 15:12:25 35 11
bbc
I think the staff in supermarkets should get vaccinated before teachers.
60
27/01/2021 15:21:42 0 12
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Supermarkets should be closed. There is a pandemic.
638
27/01/2021 19:53:26 1 0
bbc
So you want to starve to death then?
sw
28/01/2021 11:24:05 0 0
bbc
Do you want starving people, on top of all this.
61
27/01/2021 15:21:53 6 7
bbc
Mr hindsight strikes again
77
JCB
27/01/2021 15:26:30 4 6
bbc
Except Keir is talking about a future plan in this article. Do you even know what hindsight is or do you just enjoy regurgigating a Boris slogan?
293
27/01/2021 16:49:41 0 0
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But I bet Bozo starts doing just this ……………...only after half term.
42
27/01/2021 15:15:04 32 5
bbc
Why? when reports yesterday indicated that teachers were at no more risk than anyone else?
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27/01/2021 15:21:55 6 2
bbc
Only true for primary schools.
4
27/01/2021 15:01:21 11 11
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"The prime minister added: "I know how deeply frustrating it is, the extra burden that we have placed on families by closing the schools.""

Really? How many of his 6 children (that we know of) is he caring for/home schooling or looking after?
63
27/01/2021 15:21:59 2 2
bbc
Really you are stooping as low as Starmer with this comment. At a time like this it is important that we stick together & do not throw insults at one another.
28
27/01/2021 15:12:10 10 12
bbc
Starmer really is a $$$$.
64
27/01/2021 15:22:10 5 2
bbc
A unit of US Currency?

A bit odd-Are you sure about that?
65
27/01/2021 15:22:20 29 5
bbc
This is a matter of life and death. Those who are vulnerable or have underlying conditions (and are susceptible to cytokine storm) must be vaccinated first – all of them. Defend the NHS.

The article is mealy mouthed when it says that “... workers in critical professions...” should get vaccinated “... alongside these groups.”

Labour simply thinks those at high risk of death should wait longer.
111
27/01/2021 15:37:20 5 18
bbc
What on earth are you talking about?
The government has already committed to vaccinating the four high risk category patients by mid February.
SKS has quite rightly suggested that the school half term
period, which commences 15th Feb, which should follow that period, be an ideal time to get teachers etc. vaccinated.
Of course, the timing period would be tight, but feasible if managed correctly.
285
27/01/2021 16:16:03 1 1
bbc
Our eldest daughter caught it from an asymptomatic six year old in her class so we know personally that kids carry and pass this on, we also understand the plight of teachers who are close to thirty little ones who don’t understand social distancing. But I have heart failure, my fourteen year old won’t be going back to school until I’m vaccinated. There are a vast number of parents like me.
289
27/01/2021 16:48:51 1 1
bbc
clown
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27/01/2021 15:08:21 16 13
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I'm in the younger adults with underlying health conditions. I will happily surrender my vaccine to my children's primary school teacher and remain locked down myself. Our children's education is more important.
66
27/01/2021 15:22:20 13 3
bbc
but if they bring it home to you... Maybe you should stick with home schooling until you're vaccinated.
279
27/01/2021 16:13:36 0 0
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Yep, I am fifty seven with heart failure, I’m in group six as it currently stands. Happy to wait from my personal point of view but my fourteen year old won’t be going back until I’m vaccinated. Absolutely a tough decision and hard on her from a mental health point of view but her mental health will suffer if I get really sick or die.
53
27/01/2021 15:19:36 10 23
bbc
It stops them contracting the virus and being distressed about possibly catching it whenever they set foot in their school.
67
27/01/2021 15:23:04 11 0
bbc
No it does not.
It reduces the effect of the virus on the vaccinated person. They are also still carriers.
21
27/01/2021 15:09:06 13 6
bbc
Who should wait ?

60-65 year olds? 2.9mio of them

Death rate is 1%?

Infection rate ?

Let’s be conservative......

Say 1000 deaths mr starmer

Acceptable ?

Or avoidable ?

How manyteachers have died in the entire crisis ?

Think it through
68
27/01/2021 15:23:06 0 2
bbc
Are teachers likely to spread it more readily than isolating older people? As a nation do we want our children back in school?

Stammer makes a useful suggestion for consideration. I suspect the govt. will take it seriously.
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Hal
27/01/2021 15:23:30 6 9
bbc
In about 3 weeks time Bungling Boris will announce he wants to vaccinate all teachers
80
27/01/2021 15:27:23 6 0
bbc
Maybe keeping options open when dealing with an unpredictable virus being spread by people some of whom are not particular about following the guidance makes sense.
753
27/01/2021 21:58:44 0 0
bbc
Don’t think so
70
27/01/2021 15:23:36 9 9
bbc
If school's are not back until March the 8th, then offer all the teachers the vaccine before then. Why teachers are not classed as front line workers is beyond my comprehension
135
27/01/2021 15:43:49 3 12
bbc
Because the most they see would be the same classes every day

Frontline NHS see hundreds of different patients a week
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Ged
27/01/2021 15:09:08 31 5
bbc
The priority groups are those deemed most at risk. Are we really changing it to those who shout loudest?
71
27/01/2021 15:24:01 18 0
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That's how it seems to be working. Every group or at least some members of each group, seems to think they're "special".
72
27/01/2021 15:24:02 63 3
bbc
This would make sense if there was a massive supply of vaccine.

Given their isn't, I agree with the government priority should be given to those who are most likely to get seriously ill or die.
73
27/01/2021 15:24:23 77 11
bbc
In other words take vaccines away from highly vulnerable people in their 60s. And watch them get ill and die.
124
27/01/2021 15:40:02 52 28
bbc
What a mistake to make from the Sir Kier Stimpy
510
27/01/2021 18:17:33 2 5
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Nope, that's not what he said at all.

It's pretty weak when the only way you can attack Starmer is to misrepresent what he says.
74
27/01/2021 15:25:03 138 26
bbc
Who does Kier want to move down the vaccination list?
110
27/01/2021 15:36:42 106 36
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The most vulnerable, clearly.
140
27/01/2021 15:45:38 5 14
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There are relatively very few so would hardly make any difference.
The more dead the better for the opposition. Removed
213
27/01/2021 16:13:38 26 4
bbc
I’m a teacher and would love to be vaccinated but if it’s before supermarket workers/ essential shop workers, posties, nurses, etc etc id be embarrassed. Schools are important but these shop workers who keep our shelves stocked, on frankly much less money than me for many, are far more deserving and should be prioritized
303
27/01/2021 16:54:22 15 7
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Anyone who is not in a union, a Labour voter, a civil servant/public sector worker, BAME.

That puts me right down the list........
842
28/01/2021 08:36:32 0 0
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HYS slackers for starters Dave :)
53
27/01/2021 15:19:36 10 23
bbc
It stops them contracting the virus and being distressed about possibly catching it whenever they set foot in their school.
75
27/01/2021 15:25:35 13 0
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As far as I’m aware these vaccines will not stop you actually catching the virus and being a vector of transmission. All they have scientifically proven is that they will prevent serious illnesses and death.

So this logic from labour would seem wrong, even if all teachers where vaccinated some could and would still contract it and infect others.
13
27/01/2021 15:07:17 10 8
bbc
Labour chasing the votes of teachers, no great surprise. Are teachers at materially greater or lesser risk than other workers, well?
76
27/01/2021 15:25:45 1 2
bbc
Stop trying to read some political motive into this.

Its pretty logical. In simple terms if Teachers & support staff are ill or isolating, Year groups or schools close, and then it 'log jams' working parents ability to go out to work.

Try and make a grown up comment please.
61
27/01/2021 15:21:53 6 7
bbc
Mr hindsight strikes again
77
JCB
27/01/2021 15:26:30 4 6
bbc
Except Keir is talking about a future plan in this article. Do you even know what hindsight is or do you just enjoy regurgigating a Boris slogan?
109
27/01/2021 15:36:09 0 2
bbc
Boris dancing.
114
27/01/2021 15:37:48 2 0
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A future he is no more likely to correctly predict than anyone else and unlike the person who will have make the decision, will take no responsibility or blame.
59
27/01/2021 15:21:35 4 6
bbc
Might reduce the number of teachers off sick; so that the children can be taught.
78
27/01/2021 15:26:56 5 0
bbc
If they are not tested then that is true, however they should be tested regularly and if positive need to self isolate so the end result is the same.
79
27/01/2021 15:27:13 222 82
bbc
I am sick to death of "Sir Keir" playing politics. Is he going to be there to explain to a 69 year old with a weakened immune system following chemo that some 30 year old teacher had to be vaccinated first. Will he be there? Of course he won't - all he wants is cheap political point scoring. Pathetic,
92
27/01/2021 15:32:13 111 38
bbc
Well it won't be his fault will it. He can say whatever he likes with impunity, safe in the knowledge that if he does get into power it will be water under the bridge and probably forgotten.
99
27/01/2021 15:34:03 41 24
bbc
I am 68 with a heart condition. I do not have to work and can stay at home except for essential shopping etc. So much as I want a vaccination as soon as possible it seems to me that teachers and other key workers are at far greater risk and need it far more than I do
121
27/01/2021 15:39:21 44 21
bbc
Yes, you are right. Its very easy for Labour to sit on the sidelines and constantly set up their kangaroo courts of criticism. How would they have done any better? They wouldn't.
180
27/01/2021 15:58:23 25 36
bbc
I would rather listen to what Sir Keir has to say than the bumbling buffoon & his Cabinet of Clowns. He has been TOO Slow to react throughout the Pandemic doing nothing for the 1st couple of months with his herd mentality. He has presided over the worst UK death Toll since WW2. He ignored Scientific advice unless it suited him not to.

A great person for a bit of a laugh but a pathetic leader
224
27/01/2021 16:17:02 16 17
bbc
I'm a 40 plus teacher who has to stand in a tiny classroom with one inch open windows and 30 students who don't distance for 5 hours a day. I also have type 1 diabetes which increases my risk of dieing by 14 times. I love my job but have 3 girls who I love more and don't want to be the next 3;vulnerable kids in their school. Why wait a year to die and then throw it away before a jab
282
27/01/2021 16:45:19 17 8
bbc
you are playing politics! the government said that by the 15 February all the vulnerable(including your 69 years old) will be vaccinated. that is exactly when half term starts, so yes, you are making political points with misinformation (such as implying that Kier will vaccinate a 30 year old teacher before the 69 year old with underlying problems)
294
27/01/2021 16:49:50 7 4
bbc
Its funny not long ago people on these boards were clamouring to say let the young out open the schools, we cant stifle a generation, we are willing to sacrifice and stay in...

So now there's a vaccine that the Labour leader is saying why not give it to teachers so you know we can get an element of society functioning again...

And now I cannot spot a single one of those selfless 60+ heroes...
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SCJ
27/01/2021 16:57:51 9 7
bbc
Starmer no more plays politics than any of them. Look at Johnson today at PMQ - accused Starmer of 'looking to score political points' then proceeded to do precisely that for the next two minutes or so that it took him not to answer the question he'd been asked.
457
27/01/2021 17:50:10 4 2
bbc
Awww diddums. Are the opposition banned now ? Is this Russia ?
479
27/01/2021 17:58:31 7 0
bbc
And vaccinated teachers wont stop them from potentially taking home the virus from the classroom to their families, much less stop kids from passing it around and taking it home to mum, dad and siblings.
502
27/01/2021 18:12:52 4 3
bbc
Well don't complain if the schools don't reopen then... It's that simple!
564
27/01/2021 18:40:19 3 5
bbc
Spot on Gill .....
676
27/01/2021 20:57:10 3 1
bbc
What a ridiculous thing to say! No-one would take the vaccine from a "69 year old with a weakened immune system following chemo" - whatever makes you say that? As for "playing politics", Starmer is an actual politician so it's his job to 'play politics', just as it is Johnson's. Get a grip!
701
27/01/2021 21:19:37 3 0
bbc
You completely mislead. People like the one you have described will be vaccinated before the middle of February, along with all the first four catagories.

It’s you playing politics. Not him
761
27/01/2021 22:10:46 1 0
bbc
Im sick to death of people engaging in politics too... n whatever your age, however if you want schools back perhaps a check of teachers for possible under lying conditions, only those that will not catch, transmit could work. the same with the children who go n go home to people that then go to work in hospitals n public transport - or keep their kids at home. after all you jab will benefit you.
816
28/01/2021 05:43:20 2 1
bbc
I think you're selfish Gill. You can avoid getting covid-19 simply by staying at home. It's really not that hard is it?
864
28/01/2021 09:09:56 2 0
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No its not yiu are simply blinkered

The 69 yr old can isolate for a few months more

Of yiu want kids back at school teachers and staff need vaccinations

Every 60 plus Yr old I speak to are happy to stay in their bubble a bit longer in order to help kids
910
28/01/2021 09:45:06 3 0
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I don't know where people like this pick up this ridiculous notion that Starmer is playing politics. Gill either spends too much time reading the crap tabloids or is posting this as propaganda.,
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KRR
28/01/2021 10:26:48 2 0
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'I am sick to death'

No you're not.

'playing politics'

Are you aware of what the Leader of the Opposition is supposed to do?

'Is he going to be there to explain to a 69 year old...'

Difficult choices have to be made in emergencies. Bonzo has made many wrong ones and he is often hiding in a fridge when he should be getting held to account.

Do you think Eton Bonzo cares about you?
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Gaz
28/01/2021 15:46:39 1 1
bbc
You could ask the Deputy Labour Leader the same question, and she avoided that question this morning on tv. There are only so many vaccines, so do teachers take priority over police, university lecturers, postal workers or anybody else. Clueless Labour as usual.
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Hal
27/01/2021 15:23:30 6 9
bbc
In about 3 weeks time Bungling Boris will announce he wants to vaccinate all teachers
80
27/01/2021 15:27:23 6 0
bbc
Maybe keeping options open when dealing with an unpredictable virus being spread by people some of whom are not particular about following the guidance makes sense.
81
27/01/2021 15:27:23 87 15
bbc
Do Supermarket workers go to the top of the list for vaccines as they deal with more people in a day than a teacher - oh and what about bus drivers, taxi drivers they take kids to school, the police, fire brigade - you have to have an order. Teachers in priority groups will have been vaccinated - the same as everyone else.
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27/01/2021 15:38:00 79 19
bbc
We all want to be at the front of the queue

so it's right that expert scientists decide the order

and not the biggest lobby groups
498
27/01/2021 18:09:52 4 1
bbc
Spot on
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KTS
27/01/2021 19:59:32 3 4
bbc
Most of those key workers are behind screens and/or wearing PPE. Most school staff are not. Most KW do not generally have face to face close contact with up to and above 30+ families a day. We all want to be safe.
82
27/01/2021 15:21:10 41 1
bbc
his advice to the goverment seems strange that as labour leader , and labour running wales why have they not done anything he has suggested and he seems to be distancing himself from the welsh goverment,
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27/01/2021 15:19:09 36 69
bbc
The youngest teachers would be older than 21.
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DMT
27/01/2021 15:27:51 13 3
bbc
Not if they did a Batchelor in Education degree. Not all go in as post graduates.
199
27/01/2021 16:07:57 7 4
bbc
Check your facts B.Ed is a four year degree.
748
27/01/2021 22:00:50 0 1
bbc
BEd is 4 years in length. 22 at the very least to be in your NQT year .... . In secondary schools tend to prefer older applicants with experience outside of education.
50
27/01/2021 15:18:35 7 14
bbc
I can't believe it's taken this long to call for teachers to be vaccinated. Why not do it now?
84
27/01/2021 15:29:05 9 0
bbc
Who should teachers be prioritised over,

The over 80’s

The clinical vulnerable

NHS staff.

How would this change in policy help to bring down our terrible death rate ?
Or stop groups now pushed down the list from needing hospitalisation?
85
27/01/2021 15:29:34 2 3
bbc
How long do "Half term" holidays last these days if scientists are recommending 12 weeks between doses?
87
27/01/2021 15:29:43 2 5
bbc
If it’s so safe for teachers as many are posting here, why has the Government closed the schools?
105
27/01/2021 15:35:30 4 0
bbc
To prevent children transferring the virus to the vulnerable. Teachers who are vulnerable should be vaccinated with all those who are vulnerable.
162
27/01/2021 15:52:34 1 0
bbc
To stop the spread of the virus, exactly the same as lockdown.
386
27/01/2021 17:15:55 1 0
bbc
You mean not try to minimise risk like they've done with pretty much every thing else? Even supermarkets, hospitals and care homes have to observe some distancing rules, maybe you haven't been affected so haven't noticed.
13
27/01/2021 15:07:17 10 8
bbc
Labour chasing the votes of teachers, no great surprise. Are teachers at materially greater or lesser risk than other workers, well?
88
27/01/2021 15:29:52 0 3
bbc
Comedy gold! Why would they ever need to do that? Only 95 of teachers were willing to vote Conservative just prior to the last election when Corbyn was in charge. In 2107 60% voted labour and only 12 % Tory. And then Johnson inflicted Williamson on them.
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DMT
27/01/2021 15:12:06 130 30
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Vaccinating all teachers instead of the people identified as at higher risk of serious illness or death doesn’t make sense. Who is going to tell the 60 year old shop worker with severe asthma etc etc he/she has to wait until after all the 21 year old teachers have been vaccinated.
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27/01/2021 15:30:24 10 15
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It's not about protecting teachers from serious illness, it's about keeping teachers in school rather than at home recovering from covid. Schools cannot open without sufficient teachers, and workers cannot go to work if they have to look after and teach their kids at home.
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27/01/2021 15:43:51 18 2
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Well the same could be said for all the front line shop staff keeping the supermarkets that feed us open and running. This is just Labour and Unions playing politics.
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27/01/2021 15:30:51 6 6
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Sir Keir Starmer is captain states the obvious.
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27/01/2021 15:38:11 2 4
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if its so obvious why are the Conservatives doing it? Think before you post
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27/01/2021 15:31:45 96 20
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This is one of the reasons I now detest the Labour party after a lifetime of membersship and supporting them Great at saying what they will do but not saying who their willing to upset by moving down the pecking order typical gesture politics
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27/01/2021 17:39:25 42 12
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Spot on....I’ve heard the same record for far too long so stopped supporting them in 2015. They have got worse since
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27/01/2021 18:01:51 3 4
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Me too, I'm a Labour Party member but I will never vote for Starmer he's vile!
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27/01/2021 21:07:19 3 2
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Sadly I'm with you. My first job was in a colliery, I living in the constituency of the balloon Ed M. Add this incompetent, politicking cabbage and I'm thinking of joining the Tories, shut the up and help don't hinder. Sorry Dad.
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28/01/2021 09:51:21 2 1
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There is a lot more to Starmer's reasoning than comes out in this article. Unfortunately too many people only read crap tabloid propaganda.
28/01/2021 11:47:25 0 0
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On this occasion, at least he's said what he would do, albeit only a few weeks into the future which means it can't happen anyway. His pronouncements are usually restricted to what he would have done. Captain Hindsight strikes again!
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27/01/2021 15:27:13 222 82
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I am sick to death of "Sir Keir" playing politics. Is he going to be there to explain to a 69 year old with a weakened immune system following chemo that some 30 year old teacher had to be vaccinated first. Will he be there? Of course he won't - all he wants is cheap political point scoring. Pathetic,
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27/01/2021 15:32:13 111 38
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Well it won't be his fault will it. He can say whatever he likes with impunity, safe in the knowledge that if he does get into power it will be water under the bridge and probably forgotten.
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28/01/2021 08:34:23 0 0
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works for bozo !
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27/01/2021 15:32:57 49 14
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How many 000s of teachers have died of Covid? More crap from the coverup expert
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27/01/2021 15:39:27 21 20
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More teachers have died than say MPs. MPs are all working from home.
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27/01/2021 15:41:41 8 13
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But if they had underlying conditions
they'd have been among the first to be vaccinated now anyway.
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27/01/2021 15:43:21 1 3
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Would be funny if you say that in public & you get done for liable & he is the barrister who does you,stop telling lies
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27/01/2021 15:50:19 10 11
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Teachers dont have to die of covid to be made too ill to teach. Seems to me that Starmer is making perfect sense to protect teachers to keep them teaching in school so children can go to school, and their parents can go to work. Your comment is just more crap from an anti Starmer expert.
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27/01/2021 15:52:10 6 7
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What you seem to forget is that Teachers are people as well and if they catch Covid-19 through contact with a pupil then they have as much chance of dying as the rest of us. Those who seem to be making the most noise are the sort of people who are likely to send their Covid infected kids to school in the 1st place.

No doubt you would jump at the chance to do their jobs ?
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27/01/2021 15:33:27 45 6
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All service workers should be treated equally. Imagine if refuse collections ceased or policing suspended or fire ... Then there's shop workers, associated warehouse & transport staff, border control, public transport. All are as important as teachers - once you start prioritising you diminish the others. The sequence is set by Science/Medical. Is SKS now suggesting we ignore such advice????
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27/01/2021 15:27:34 96 13
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Vaccination of teachers will not stop the spread of covid. Any vulnerable teacher will be vaccinated under the tier system agreed by our scientists.
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27/01/2021 16:18:54 19 26
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Not until April and why throw it all away after a year of been cautious. Schools are a hive of transmission at older ages
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27/01/2021 22:33:24 0 0
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Totally agree. Vaccination not shown to prevent Covid spread. Seems more important to ensure vulnerable parents and grandparents protected so they can resume helping with child care. Keep with the current plan. Key workers done after group 9.
28/01/2021 16:53:51 0 0
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Maybe not, but it would hopefully stop teachers catching Covid and being off sick with it. That then means they can be in the classroom and schools can be fully open.
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27/01/2021 15:07:17 10 8
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Labour chasing the votes of teachers, no great surprise. Are teachers at materially greater or lesser risk than other workers, well?
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27/01/2021 15:28:59 4 0
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labour chasing the teachers union money
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27/01/2021 15:19:36 10 23
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It stops them contracting the virus and being distressed about possibly catching it whenever they set foot in their school.
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27/01/2021 15:29:28 6 0
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The same could said of anybody who is having to go to work such as policemen, supermarket employees ect
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27/01/2021 15:33:56 72 6
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No Starmer vaccinate those most likely to fill hospital beds which is the problem whether they are teacher or not, oh that is the current policy, its good one stick with it.
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27/01/2021 15:27:13 222 82
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I am sick to death of "Sir Keir" playing politics. Is he going to be there to explain to a 69 year old with a weakened immune system following chemo that some 30 year old teacher had to be vaccinated first. Will he be there? Of course he won't - all he wants is cheap political point scoring. Pathetic,
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27/01/2021 15:34:03 41 24
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I am 68 with a heart condition. I do not have to work and can stay at home except for essential shopping etc. So much as I want a vaccination as soon as possible it seems to me that teachers and other key workers are at far greater risk and need it far more than I do
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27/01/2021 15:57:16 36 3
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You are a very honourable person Chris and i salute you for such a selfless statement. Your jab is coming soon if they stick to the plan and i wish you all the best!!! I am a school worker, i have worked all the way through since March, but i believe we should stick to the plan of coming down the age brackets to keep things manageable and you deserve to be safe just as much as me!
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27/01/2021 16:21:29 5 19
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I take it you are really a teacher then
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27/01/2021 17:52:41 7 0
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That's nice but vulnerable children are also on the list so do you want to explain to a vulnerable child why a healthy adult under 50 with almost zero chance of death is going to push in front of them?
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27/01/2021 19:05:13 2 0
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I'm with you. Same age no medical problems but fearful for my daughter who is a teacher of science. I can wait.
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27/01/2021 15:20:49 17 22
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I would invite you to spend 6 hours in a small room with 30 teenagers from different households and see if you still think you're at the same level of risk as a man sitting in his home study all day.
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27/01/2021 15:31:01 6 0
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How about policemen, supermarket employees