Covid: 'Virus going in right direction but not fast enough'
28/01/2021 | news | health | 408
Coronavirus infections are still at very high levels in many regions, a study estimates.
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28/01/2021 11:57:57 33 3
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Obvious answer...I should bloody hope so nearly a month into a third lockdown!
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Hex
28/01/2021 12:11:29 9 1
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Question is how do we end the lockdown but keep the rates low.
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dan
28/01/2021 12:11:34 1 4
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Did you read the article? This is (ironically) the BBC putting a far too positive spin on the news. What appears to be the case based on the sample (and backed up by hospitalisation numbers) is that the current lockdown is barely having an affect (0.01% less people testing positive in samples now than pre lockdown). It's going to be a LONG isolated winter :(
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28/01/2021 12:18:09 11 8
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This is good news.

Now let's open schools and borders asap and get the economy restarted - for the many not the few.
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28/01/2021 12:28:19 5 4
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You can’t really call these weak restrictions a “lockdown”.

A proper lockdown would dramatically bring down infection numbers quickly and would shorten the time needed for restrictions.
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28/01/2021 12:39:56 0 3
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only 1 month we need 3 months full lockdown not this excuse then track and trace can controll and be back to normal except for international travel. We are with this goverment looking at 3rd 4th 5th lockdown.
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29/01/2021 09:29:58 0 0
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The truth is that lockdowns or restricting people's behaviour is a blunt tool.
Right from the very start, if the British public had just exercised a bit of common sense, then probably over 90% of all the grief could have been avoided.

But, we're British and we don't do that.

Right up to the last few hours, the news is full of breaches of the rules, even the police are at it. No chance
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Bob
28/01/2021 11:58:31 14 4
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Why is the data including date ranges already provided for? We had Jan 6-15 last week, now we're getting Jan 6-22? How is this useful to isolate the decline.
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28/01/2021 12:08:25 1 1
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That seems to be the timeframe to collect and analyse the data.
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28/01/2021 12:09:56 1 1
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Do you know of some instantaneous test for the coronavirus?
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28/01/2021 11:59:05 34 2
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As the timeframe for this study covers the first two weeks of lockdown, we shouldn’t really expect a major decline immediately, given there is a lag time for an infection onset, nor should we rely solely on one particular survey/study’s information, but use multiple ones to draw detailed conclusions (like the ONS weekly surveys and ZOE study).
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28/01/2021 22:21:54 0 0
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The UK lockdown commenced on 5 January and daily cases peaked on 9 January (7 day average basis : Worldometer). By the 19 January (14 days after the start of lockdown), new daily cases were 24% below the level on 5 January and 30% below peak (both 7 day average basis). NONE of this improvement can be attributable to the lockdown since the first 14 days trend was already baked-in.
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Hex
28/01/2021 11:59:55 23 2
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At the peak of infections now, cases should fall from here and thankfully deaths too.
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M12
28/01/2021 12:01:57 21 4
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Agreed. That is what respiratory virus's do. Peak in early Jan, then drop off.
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28/01/2021 12:37:11 2 2
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Indeed, but it isn't going to fast. Thousands still being infected every day and too many behaving foolishly. Spot all the deniers claiming to be stats experts on this thread alone.
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28/01/2021 12:00:20 34 33
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And once this is under control there'll be a new excuse for prolonging lockdown... and then another... and then another... new symptoms, new mutations, new dangers... keep the fear up... be a patriot... stay at home... ad nauseum.

Anyone who thinks we'll be allowed to have our old lives back is deluded.
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28/01/2021 12:01:38 15 21
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absolutely right
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RSO
28/01/2021 12:04:42 11 10
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SO YOU THINK WE WILL BE IN LOCKDOWN FOREVER.. DELUDED
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28/01/2021 12:43:37 5 2
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It's not in Boris' interests to prolong it - in fact it's his craving for popularity which has made the death rate as bad as it is. Just STAY AT HOME!
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28/01/2021 14:59:08 1 0
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1) to what end? what country would choose to bankrupt itself in this way?
2) This government can't even keep a lid on considering measures which they may announce in 2 days time. The idea that they would be competent to manage a conspiracy on this scale is totally absurd
3) every country in europe and others around the world in on the same consipiracy?
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28/01/2021 12:00:20 34 33
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And once this is under control there'll be a new excuse for prolonging lockdown... and then another... and then another... new symptoms, new mutations, new dangers... keep the fear up... be a patriot... stay at home... ad nauseum.

Anyone who thinks we'll be allowed to have our old lives back is deluded.
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28/01/2021 12:01:38 15 21
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absolutely right
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28/01/2021 12:44:46 2 3
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Please explain why any government and especially this one would seek to be even more unpopular. Your position defies all logic. Did you vote Leave too?
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28/01/2021 13:42:22 1 0
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Absolutely conspiracy theory nonsense.
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Hex
28/01/2021 11:59:55 23 2
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At the peak of infections now, cases should fall from here and thankfully deaths too.
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M12
28/01/2021 12:01:57 21 4
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Agreed. That is what respiratory virus's do. Peak in early Jan, then drop off.
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28/01/2021 14:20:24 1 0
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Except that this one peaked before in April. Complacency and lack of thought won't help us through this.
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Bob
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Angela Rayner embarrassing herself again by trying to use collective group data to prove that a single profession is high risk.

Yes, frontline key workers are higher risk - but teachers are an also-ran in that category. Their death rate is nearly half vs. the working age population.

Why not stick up for the groups that top the charts instead? Oh I see, they're lowly male factory workers.
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28/01/2021 12:03:59 9 9
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THEY ARE SPEAKING FOR THE UNIONS
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28/01/2021 12:08:40 15 1
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According to Labour teachers should be given priority ahead of any other group of workers for vaccinations
It won’t be possible to teach when the electricity fails, the taps run dry, sewage overflows in the street, and there’s no food in the shops
Let’s stick to the advice of the medical and scientific experts on vaccination priorities rather than the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party
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28/01/2021 12:08:58 4 3
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agree...thats all we've had is whinging from teachers and their union. They are in a very safe job and besides that they are never in work.
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28/01/2021 12:16:26 9 1
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Angela Rayner is just some strange curiosity now.

A bit like Diane Abbott, and that David Lammy.

People tend to lean forward and listen when she talks because she could come out with absolutely anything.

Labour get their tick in the box, we all get a good laugh.
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28/01/2021 12:23:54 0 3
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I suspect that has as much to do with fear of losing your job and/or not wanting to "wimp out" if you feel ill. Teachers on the other hand have enough intelligence to realise they're stuck in a room for much of the day with pupil carriers who don't abide by social distancing rules and if school by me is anything to go by neither do the parents of those pupils.
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28/01/2021 12:35:56 1 1
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Interesting how those you aim your frustrations at are the opposition and not those who are actually in charge. No wonder this government have no concerns for any repercussions for their actions.
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MVP
28/01/2021 12:02:29 17 8
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With the increasing rate of deaths in the UK (over 8,500 in the past week alone) it is difficult to put a positive spin on COVID at the moment.
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28/01/2021 12:08:43 28 20
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Especially for the BBC, aka project fear.
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28/01/2021 12:03:27 18 14
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The government have been awful, (apart from recent vaccination rollout) but we really do not help ourselves. Just seen a woman rifle through a while crate of produce in a supermarket, needlessly touching dozens of things other people will purchase.
A year into all of this.......
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28/01/2021 12:05:52 10 4
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Yes, but if she was wearing a mask, a reused one that she’s probably fondled a hundred times a day, then no problem.
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28/01/2021 12:12:33 11 1
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no goverment can account for the amount of incredibly stupid people in UK
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28/01/2021 12:14:27 4 3
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There are millions out there right now in the work place across the country braking coved rules along with the company's they work for. Its know deferent from what is happening in supermarkets.
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28/01/2021 12:45:32 3 0
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Some people are weird deniers, others are just thick!
Angela Rayner embarrassing herself again by trying to use collective group data to prove that a single profession is high risk.

Yes, frontline key workers are higher risk - but teachers are an also-ran in that category. Their death rate is nearly half vs. the working age population.

Why not stick up for the groups that top the charts instead? Oh I see, they're lowly male factory workers.
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28/01/2021 12:03:59 9 9
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THEY ARE SPEAKING FOR THE UNIONS
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28/01/2021 12:04:34 54 26
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Why does the BBC decide it has to Fact Check or Reality Check certain subjects, when did the BBC become the custodians of accuracy?

If they just stuck to reporting the news we'd all be a lot better informed
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28/01/2021 12:06:52 33 30
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If we do not have organisations checking the facts, more of us would be misinformed. That may suit your agenda but most people prefer to be confident that news is news and not propaganda.
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28/01/2021 12:12:24 5 4
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Accurate it isn't.
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28/01/2021 12:26:55 4 1
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Who are fact checking the fact checkers?
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28/01/2021 12:33:38 3 4
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If you hate the BBC so much, don't go on their website.
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28/01/2021 14:18:37 3 0
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When did you become the person who decides who should fact-check anything? The more people and organisations check that what govs, companies etc say is correct can only be a GOOD thing! Limiting this will not make us better informed.
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28/01/2021 22:12:37 0 0
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They never fact check anything that is inconvenient but factual contrary evidence against some of the PC BBC leanings.
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28/01/2021 12:00:20 34 33
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And once this is under control there'll be a new excuse for prolonging lockdown... and then another... and then another... new symptoms, new mutations, new dangers... keep the fear up... be a patriot... stay at home... ad nauseum.

Anyone who thinks we'll be allowed to have our old lives back is deluded.
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RSO
28/01/2021 12:04:42 11 10
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SO YOU THINK WE WILL BE IN LOCKDOWN FOREVER.. DELUDED
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28/01/2021 12:08:54 10 11
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Now that the scientists are in charge they are intent on inflicting this massive social engineering project on the country to punish the population for ignoring their advice prior to the onset of the pandemic.
Anyone who believes life will ever return to what was regarded as normal in 2019 is going to be massively disappointed.
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28/01/2021 12:04:50 77 20
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Deaths within 28-days of a positive Covid test is a poor metric to measure Covid mortality.
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28/01/2021 12:11:16 55 27
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Have a heart a attack.

Get admitted to hospital.

Catch Covid.

Therefore you did not die of a heart attack, you died of Covid.

Sounds like twisted logic to me, but not to our Government.
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28/01/2021 12:17:22 16 2
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It is poor in that it relfects death from non Covid related matters and also misses Covid deaths that occur after 28 days.

It is however easy to apply and reflective of the progress of the pandemic.
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28/01/2021 12:24:35 10 8
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The most important number is hospital occupancy. With full hospitals the NHS is unable to continue accepting patients for any condition. Until occupancy returns to normal levels lockdown needs to continue.
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28/01/2021 12:27:38 13 1
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How else are you actually going to measure Covid deaths, though? Serious question. A large percentage of Covid-related deaths are due to exacerbation of, or interaction with other conditions, so the of/with question is a grey area. the 28-day metric is of course not perfect, but in practice may be as good as it gets.
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28/01/2021 12:28:46 1 17
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A hypothetical pathologist's report.....

Tyre marks across the body from a Number 9 bus yet tested positive for Covid 19, conclusion, died of Covid 19.
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28/01/2021 12:31:42 5 3
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Your right - it consistently undercounts the true figure and the error will become greater now that new treatments mean those who die are taking longer to do so - more of them are beyond 28 days. That's one of the reasons that the hospitals have more patients than previously.

Assumes you were making a general point rather than the usual deniers claim that numbers are too high though!
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28/01/2021 12:37:15 1 1
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No it isnt. Its a reliable and consistent measure of extent of the spread of a highly contagious and lethal virus. Those figures also closely echo and match any other metric you may wish to chose to measure it by. Including excess deaths.
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28/01/2021 12:42:08 3 5
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They do say the number of people who actually died OF Covid might be as low as 2500.

The numbers of people who died within 28 days of a positive test might not even have died as a result of the virus. They were often already old and frail, could have been taken out by a gust of wind.

Death comparisons are meaningless because different countries report it different ways... many just lie.
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28/01/2021 21:51:41 0 0
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That's why the BBC report on 3 methods - 28days , COVID on death certificates and excess deaths over 5 year average . 28 days measure promoted by Govt. as quick and easy to obtain and publish. Ideally you would want deaths OF COVID as proportion of those who caught it - two unknowns at present. One day we may know the answer .
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28/01/2021 12:04:52 14 23
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Keep schools shut, lockdown for as long as needed, let's make this the final push.
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28/01/2021 12:06:42 11 8
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Push for what? Socio-economic collapse?
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28/01/2021 12:07:35 2 2
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Final - you have faith beyond the science it seems
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28/01/2021 12:08:27 9 0
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Yep, just 3 weeks to save the NHS.

Just still the autumn,

Did we say autumn ? We meant winter.

Winter, well, maybe not. One last push until the spring.

At least a vaccine will get us out of this mess.

Did we say a vaccine will save us ? Ah, no, we didn't really mean that.

Still, just one last push, eh ?
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28/01/2021 12:09:08 1 5
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Makes total sense. In the medium to long run it is the least costly option. We can provide for our youngsters to bring them up to speed educationally.
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28/01/2021 12:11:39 1 3
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Agree what we don't want is to start opening up a little bit and cases start rising again bringing lockdown 4 and another 50,000 deaths
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28/01/2021 13:46:27 0 0
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errr - no! The damage from continued lockdown has to be balanced against loss of life - harsh reality - we are still focused on pro-longing life vs risk to those who will 'pay' for this this for decades to come
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28/01/2021 12:03:27 18 14
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The government have been awful, (apart from recent vaccination rollout) but we really do not help ourselves. Just seen a woman rifle through a while crate of produce in a supermarket, needlessly touching dozens of things other people will purchase.
A year into all of this.......
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28/01/2021 12:05:52 10 4
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Yes, but if she was wearing a mask, a reused one that she’s probably fondled a hundred times a day, then no problem.
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28/01/2021 12:05:54 9 19
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There is still no excuse for Covidiocy, such as trips to Scotland or Barnard Castle.
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28/01/2021 12:11:12 4 4
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not as good as 200 party weddings and 1000 party raves and 5000 party demonstration...get things into propotion.....socialism doesn't work
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28/01/2021 12:47:26 2 0
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Or taking your mask of to have a chat at a funeral? Or illegally popping in to see your dad on his 78th birthday? Or hugging after scoring a goal?

The rich and powerful do as they wish regardless of their political leanings.
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28/01/2021 12:06:27 8 11
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I see Johnson is reacting to the slight reduction in numbers by making sure they turn around. Pronto.

What is it with this man that he constantly gets thing wrong?
Time and time again.
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28/01/2021 12:04:52 14 23
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Keep schools shut, lockdown for as long as needed, let's make this the final push.
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28/01/2021 12:06:42 11 8
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Push for what? Socio-economic collapse?
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28/01/2021 12:23:11 0 0
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No, to get infection rates down until all elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated.
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28/01/2021 12:04:34 54 26
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Why does the BBC decide it has to Fact Check or Reality Check certain subjects, when did the BBC become the custodians of accuracy?

If they just stuck to reporting the news we'd all be a lot better informed
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28/01/2021 12:06:52 33 30
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If we do not have organisations checking the facts, more of us would be misinformed. That may suit your agenda but most people prefer to be confident that news is news and not propaganda.
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28/01/2021 12:12:33 10 6
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But by saying that news has been fact checked, deters people from checking alternative sources.
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28/01/2021 12:18:01 13 5
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I would agree 100% if I thought for one minute that the BBC was in any way impartial.
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28/01/2021 12:40:48 2 3
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Problem is that some researcher sat at his desk in a newspaper office does NOT have the whole picture and yet they feel they can challenge the govt' who does.
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28/01/2021 13:20:14 2 3
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I no longer trust the BBC to impartially & objectively report anything where an anti Conservative political slant might be applied.
Because it WILL be applied in one way or another.
The same applies to most other news sources to a greater or lesser degree, as editorialising has replaced honest reporting of the facts.
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28/01/2021 12:06:54 7 3
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Sampling is quite problematic especially in the UK and over such a long period (16 days is forever in epidemics especially this one)

The key problem is at the best of time the UK thousands of "populations" plural and a couple of million of isolated individuals - the sampler has to "hope" he's representative enough

The 2nd problem is these are part self-selecting - the good - not random
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28/01/2021 15:29:15 0 0
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Completely agree. The ONS have a huge advantage here as they have a ready made sample set from other surveys that they use for the COVID survey. This should provide a mare accurate source dataset.
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28/01/2021 12:05:54 9 19
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There is still no excuse for Covidiocy, such as trips to Scotland or Barnard Castle.
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28/01/2021 12:15:38 3 3
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Aww diddums. Does the truth hurt ? Are you a Cummings fanboy ?
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28/01/2021 12:04:52 14 23
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Keep schools shut, lockdown for as long as needed, let's make this the final push.
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28/01/2021 12:07:35 2 2
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Final - you have faith beyond the science it seems
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Bob
28/01/2021 11:58:31 14 4
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Why is the data including date ranges already provided for? We had Jan 6-15 last week, now we're getting Jan 6-22? How is this useful to isolate the decline.
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28/01/2021 12:08:25 1 1
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That seems to be the timeframe to collect and analyse the data.
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28/01/2021 12:04:52 14 23
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Keep schools shut, lockdown for as long as needed, let's make this the final push.
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28/01/2021 12:08:27 9 0
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Yep, just 3 weeks to save the NHS.

Just still the autumn,

Did we say autumn ? We meant winter.

Winter, well, maybe not. One last push until the spring.

At least a vaccine will get us out of this mess.

Did we say a vaccine will save us ? Ah, no, we didn't really mean that.

Still, just one last push, eh ?
Angela Rayner embarrassing herself again by trying to use collective group data to prove that a single profession is high risk.

Yes, frontline key workers are higher risk - but teachers are an also-ran in that category. Their death rate is nearly half vs. the working age population.

Why not stick up for the groups that top the charts instead? Oh I see, they're lowly male factory workers.
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28/01/2021 12:08:40 15 1
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According to Labour teachers should be given priority ahead of any other group of workers for vaccinations
It won’t be possible to teach when the electricity fails, the taps run dry, sewage overflows in the street, and there’s no food in the shops
Let’s stick to the advice of the medical and scientific experts on vaccination priorities rather than the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party
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MVP
28/01/2021 12:02:29 17 8
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With the increasing rate of deaths in the UK (over 8,500 in the past week alone) it is difficult to put a positive spin on COVID at the moment.
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28/01/2021 12:08:43 28 20
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Especially for the BBC, aka project fear.
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28/01/2021 12:39:37 4 5
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You are one of the 'it's just a bad cold' brigade are you? 110,000 deaths and rising (probably to well over 150,000) is all 'fake news' is it. JUST STAY AT HOME - it may be your own life you save.
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28/01/2021 14:29:28 1 1
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Aye right, it is "project fear" - reporting facts and pointing out 100 000 deaths due to covid is just left wing fear-mongering...what planet are you on!
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28/01/2021 12:04:42 11 10
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SO YOU THINK WE WILL BE IN LOCKDOWN FOREVER.. DELUDED
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28/01/2021 12:08:54 10 11
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Now that the scientists are in charge they are intent on inflicting this massive social engineering project on the country to punish the population for ignoring their advice prior to the onset of the pandemic.
Anyone who believes life will ever return to what was regarded as normal in 2019 is going to be massively disappointed.
Angela Rayner embarrassing herself again by trying to use collective group data to prove that a single profession is high risk.

Yes, frontline key workers are higher risk - but teachers are an also-ran in that category. Their death rate is nearly half vs. the working age population.

Why not stick up for the groups that top the charts instead? Oh I see, they're lowly male factory workers.
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28/01/2021 12:08:58 4 3
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agree...thats all we've had is whinging from teachers and their union. They are in a very safe job and besides that they are never in work.
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28/01/2021 12:08:58 10 15
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There really is not much of a lockdown this time around. Road are almost as busy as normal. Schools are not closed fully and all have lots of essential workers kids in there. Loads of shops and businesses are open that were not first time around.....so, logically the spread will be slowing because of partial lockdown and vaccine but it would be much faster if people were actually fully compliant.
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28/01/2021 12:04:52 14 23
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Keep schools shut, lockdown for as long as needed, let's make this the final push.
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28/01/2021 12:09:08 1 5
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Makes total sense. In the medium to long run it is the least costly option. We can provide for our youngsters to bring them up to speed educationally.
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dan
28/01/2021 12:09:17 14 6
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Interesting read. This begs the question, why is it that confirmed cases have fallen so drastically (~25000 cases a day compared to ~70000 at peak) if sample data suggests there's been minimal decrease.
I have no answers for it, other than maybe people with mild symptoms aren't bothering to get tested during lockdown. Gov needs to encourage testing so we get a clearer picture imo.
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28/01/2021 12:17:18 3 0
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Cases will dramatically decrease if the gov use the WHO guidelines on the CT cycle cut off point used on the PCR tests.
At the moment we test up for covid RNA up to 50 cycles, and any teeny tiny remote trace of covid gets you a positive test.
After 35 cycles the chance of being infectious are less than 3% with a 0.66% decrease every cycle after that.
Perhaps finally we are using the tests properly
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M12
28/01/2021 12:19:01 0 1
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more testing? Absolutley not.
Imagine a best case scenario where everyone is vaccinated (so nobody can die of covid). But as you suggest, we keep testing for Covid. Since people can still catch covid, and some of these will then go on to die. People will still be dying with Covid. So the merry-go-round of panicked, draconian restrictions will continue...forever. Or until we stop testing!
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28/01/2021 14:44:01 0 0
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or the survey is looking at people who were infected before lockdown and still positive on 18th jan
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28/01/2021 14:50:27 0 0
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Are people less likely to go to hospital because of lockdown?
12th Jan 4500 admitted
20th Jan 3700 admitted
Too much lag in the react study. It's like looking at death rates.
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28/01/2021 12:09:45 13 15
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Lockdown my @rse

Apart from shops and pubs closed it seems to be pretty much BAU round here. For instance, the first lockdown didn't have a rush hour

And I've never seen so many 'key workers' queued up outside the posh fee paying school across the road before. Local primary school is apparently precisely the same

Up to them and the schools what they do I suppose but lets stop pretending
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28/01/2021 12:14:25 1 3
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What are YOU doing outside then ???
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W 6
28/01/2021 12:09:56 51 4
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How on earth do they know that cases are falling "nowhere near as fast as in lockdown one" when they only started doing the React study in May? REACT have been consistently out of line lately with what the ONS, ZOE and the Government's own case figures have been saying. Might be nice for the team behind it to be questioned on it for once rather than treated as gospel.
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28/01/2021 12:36:47 13 3
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I'm genuinely interested to know why people think, with only the lightest of measures Sweden has a 7 day rolling average of 17 deaths (100 adj. for population) and has shown a steep decline since January 1st.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
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Bob
28/01/2021 11:58:31 14 4
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Why is the data including date ranges already provided for? We had Jan 6-15 last week, now we're getting Jan 6-22? How is this useful to isolate the decline.
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28/01/2021 12:09:56 1 1
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Do you know of some instantaneous test for the coronavirus?
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Bob
28/01/2021 12:22:47 5 0
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You have not understood.

What I am saying is, last week we had the positivity rate covering the period of the 6th to the 15th. Today we have the rate for the period covering 6th to the 22nd.

Why have the lumped the extra week's data into the previous period? If it was separate data we can easily compare and contrast week on week.
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28/01/2021 14:41:52 1 0
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they report on 6th to 22nd. Why not compare 9th to 15th with 16th to 22nd to show the trend.
Since positive rates in the country would have peaked around the 14th, following lockdown starting on the 4th.
Last week they reported cases rising despite lockdown, despite comparing early december with people infected just before lockdown started. This is really dangerous as it undermines the measures.
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28/01/2021 12:05:54 9 19
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There is still no excuse for Covidiocy, such as trips to Scotland or Barnard Castle.
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28/01/2021 12:11:12 4 4
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not as good as 200 party weddings and 1000 party raves and 5000 party demonstration...get things into propotion.....socialism doesn't work
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28/01/2021 12:15:05 3 4
bbc
Nor does a Dictatorship as Johnson has imposed on us all
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28/01/2021 12:04:50 77 20
bbc
Deaths within 28-days of a positive Covid test is a poor metric to measure Covid mortality.
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28/01/2021 12:11:16 55 27
bbc
Have a heart a attack.

Get admitted to hospital.

Catch Covid.

Therefore you did not die of a heart attack, you died of Covid.

Sounds like twisted logic to me, but not to our Government.
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28/01/2021 12:20:03 15 1
bbc
It's not the government, it's an International (WHO) method used for a new virus
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28/01/2021 12:20:49 17 4
bbc
And it means you died with Covid, not of Covid
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28/01/2021 12:25:58 8 3
bbc
The heart attack doesn't kill you, but you die of Covid after 29 days you didn't die of Covid. Cuts both ways.

The count of death certificates with Covid on them gives higher figures.
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28/01/2021 12:29:36 9 1
bbc
Thing is, it's as, or more likely to be the other way round - catch Covid, have a heart attack (because of an existing heart condition exacerbated by Covid).
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28/01/2021 12:34:29 6 1
bbc
Have you willfully ignored the hundreds of posts explaining why your logic is false - or are you just not very clever?

There needs to be some consistent measure. The one being used UNDERCOUNTS covid deaths.
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28/01/2021 12:37:34 3 1
bbc
Yes, you're right....none of this is actually happening....until you catch it then good luck!
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28/01/2021 12:38:15 2 0
bbc
Clearly you are not a doctor. If you fall down stairs and break your leg, then while in hospital you fall out of bed and break your neck, you don't die of a broken leg! Most heart attacks do not result in death, (according to the NHS).
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You
28/01/2021 13:05:00 1 0
bbc
ayaou msy have survived the heart attack if you didn't get Covid therefore it's perfectly correct to cite Covid as a partial cause you ghoul.
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28/01/2021 13:05:49 3 0
bbc
Nonsense.
If the doctor signing the death certificate believes Covid did not play a part, then it's not registered as a Covid death.
This ridiculous myth has been spread by shallow thinking, fact denying people for months.
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VoR
28/01/2021 22:26:46 1 0
bbc
I gather you don't know that Covid causes major circulatory issues and can cause heart attacks. Covid is only (barring the odd case) listed when it is deemed to be a contributory factor. When admitted to hospital for a heart attack, you tend to only be in for 2 to 5 days normally & less if you die of it. So you are unlikely to have tested positive for Covid if you arrived without it.
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28/01/2021 12:11:21 19 12
bbc
More dodgy data with a time lag and dubious analysis from Imperial- On the same day ONS say % of recorded infections down 17% in England..and remember we are now routinely hitting 600K+ test a day and getting ~20-25K Cases. Its not brilliant but is moving the right way...Does Imperial College have special manager for pessimism and getting data to drive that narrative??
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28/01/2021 12:16:25 14 6
bbc
Or maybe their study just conflicts with your prejudice?
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28/01/2021 11:57:57 33 3
bbc
Obvious answer...I should bloody hope so nearly a month into a third lockdown!
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Hex
28/01/2021 12:11:29 9 1
bbc
Question is how do we end the lockdown but keep the rates low.
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28/01/2021 12:20:07 0 9
bbc
We have a complete lockdown (with plenty of warning), and a complete ban on all travellers entering the country unless they pay for two weeks quarantine in a guarded environment (if available) . There will be a time when the vaccines will stop working.
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28/01/2021 12:26:11 2 0
bbc
Vaccination.
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28/01/2021 12:30:59 1 1
bbc
That’s the problem as it’s clear our only strategy is lockdown and everything else fails badly. I would hope we don’t go back to the multiple failings of the tier system, and that we actually have a test, track and trace system in place. Serco clearly not up to the job, hence why Korea stamped theirs out in days, whereas we are still in this mess a year later
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28/01/2021 12:35:27 1 0
bbc
Lots more vaccine and quite a bit more time.
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28/01/2021 13:18:30 1 1
bbc
"keep"?!?!?!? The rates are dangerously high! Jeez the level of self-delusion on here is amazing.....
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28/01/2021 11:57:57 33 3
bbc
Obvious answer...I should bloody hope so nearly a month into a third lockdown!
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dan
28/01/2021 12:11:34 1 4
bbc
Did you read the article? This is (ironically) the BBC putting a far too positive spin on the news. What appears to be the case based on the sample (and backed up by hospitalisation numbers) is that the current lockdown is barely having an affect (0.01% less people testing positive in samples now than pre lockdown). It's going to be a LONG isolated winter :(
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28/01/2021 14:28:57 1 0
bbc
Daily confirmed cases have dropped significantly since lockdown started.
This study compares an undefined time period of 'early january' with 8th to 22nd January. 8th Of January is far too soon after lockdown started, to see any benefit. The last such study released which compared cases in early dec (way before the peak) with early jan and concluded cases were rising despite lockdown.
Useless
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28/01/2021 12:04:52 14 23
bbc
Keep schools shut, lockdown for as long as needed, let's make this the final push.
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28/01/2021 12:11:39 1 3
bbc
Agree what we don't want is to start opening up a little bit and cases start rising again bringing lockdown 4 and another 50,000 deaths
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28/01/2021 12:04:34 54 26
bbc
Why does the BBC decide it has to Fact Check or Reality Check certain subjects, when did the BBC become the custodians of accuracy?

If they just stuck to reporting the news we'd all be a lot better informed
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28/01/2021 12:12:24 5 4
bbc
Accurate it isn't.
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28/01/2021 12:06:52 33 30
bbc
If we do not have organisations checking the facts, more of us would be misinformed. That may suit your agenda but most people prefer to be confident that news is news and not propaganda.
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28/01/2021 12:12:33 10 6
bbc
But by saying that news has been fact checked, deters people from checking alternative sources.
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28/01/2021 15:03:07 2 0
bbc
So we should never check facts then? Or we should check facts but deliberately not tell anyone we've checked facts? I'm confused.

BBC do fact/reality checks specifically when there's a lot of misinformation flying around a particular topic.
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28/01/2021 12:03:27 18 14
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The government have been awful, (apart from recent vaccination rollout) but we really do not help ourselves. Just seen a woman rifle through a while crate of produce in a supermarket, needlessly touching dozens of things other people will purchase.
A year into all of this.......
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28/01/2021 12:12:33 11 1
bbc
no goverment can account for the amount of incredibly stupid people in UK
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28/01/2021 12:42:24 2 0
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Number of people
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28/01/2021 12:49:04 2 1
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Correct, so they should be leaving their craving for 'popularity' to one side for now and doing what is necessary for the overall good of the population. Policing the 'rules' for example. Johnson's completely unnecessary trip to Scotland today (with the hundreds that will go with him) is a perfect example of poor government behaviour. helps idiots justify their foolishness!
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28/01/2021 13:29:13 0 1
bbc
True, but this government certainly took advantage of the amount of incredibly stupid people in UK in order to get themselves into power.
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28/01/2021 12:12:54 13 10
bbc
You’d hope infections were going in the right direction given we’re “locked down”. The reality is it won’t be quick enough because the lockdown isn’t firm enough. The only way to get infection rates down is by decreasing human to human contact. The two are intrinsically linked.
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28/01/2021 12:18:13 6 4
bbc
Calling the current weak restrictions a “lockdown” is ridiculous.
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28/01/2021 12:20:02 0 0
bbc
No. The only way to get infection rates down is to use the PCR test properly.
The WHO now recommend that any test with a CT cycle rate more than 35, should be discounted as positive test. The chance of any covid RNA being infectious is less than 3% after that.
Our current test goes up to 50 cycles, which is like being breathalysed and testing positive for a beer you had 3 months ago.
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28/01/2021 12:03:27 18 14
bbc
The government have been awful, (apart from recent vaccination rollout) but we really do not help ourselves. Just seen a woman rifle through a while crate of produce in a supermarket, needlessly touching dozens of things other people will purchase.
A year into all of this.......
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28/01/2021 12:14:27 4 3
bbc
There are millions out there right now in the work place across the country braking coved rules along with the company's they work for. Its know deferent from what is happening in supermarkets.
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28/01/2021 12:49:35 4 1
bbc
Looks like you missed school a few times too!
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28/01/2021 13:47:47 1 0
bbc
Construction workers at my local hospital this morning.
One group of three & two of two, all standing less than 1m apart with nary a mask in sight.
YES there may not be a requirement to wear mask outdoors but it would be sensible, especially when there IS a requirement to stay 2m apart when possible, which it was.
Dirty people dropping their masks on the ground right outside A&E too...
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28/01/2021 12:11:12 4 4
bbc
not as good as 200 party weddings and 1000 party raves and 5000 party demonstration...get things into propotion.....socialism doesn't work
47
28/01/2021 12:15:05 3 4
bbc
Nor does a Dictatorship as Johnson has imposed on us all
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... Removed
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28/01/2021 12:15:38 3 3
bbc
Aww diddums. Does the truth hurt ? Are you a Cummings fanboy ?
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28/01/2021 12:48:07 0 1
bbc
Now, now RedBot cam down!
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28/01/2021 12:11:21 19 12
bbc
More dodgy data with a time lag and dubious analysis from Imperial- On the same day ONS say % of recorded infections down 17% in England..and remember we are now routinely hitting 600K+ test a day and getting ~20-25K Cases. Its not brilliant but is moving the right way...Does Imperial College have special manager for pessimism and getting data to drive that narrative??
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28/01/2021 12:16:25 14 6
bbc
Or maybe their study just conflicts with your prejudice?
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28/01/2021 12:25:45 1 0
bbc
Or maybe Ferguson and his crew aren’t particularly accurate in their modelling?
Angela Rayner embarrassing herself again by trying to use collective group data to prove that a single profession is high risk.

Yes, frontline key workers are higher risk - but teachers are an also-ran in that category. Their death rate is nearly half vs. the working age population.

Why not stick up for the groups that top the charts instead? Oh I see, they're lowly male factory workers.
Removed
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28/01/2021 12:16:26 9 1
bbc
Angela Rayner is just some strange curiosity now.

A bit like Diane Abbott, and that David Lammy.

People tend to lean forward and listen when she talks because she could come out with absolutely anything.

Labour get their tick in the box, we all get a good laugh.
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28/01/2021 12:16:50 4 4
bbc
A reason the virus is not going down as fast as lockdown 1 is all the healthy under 60 believe (almost accurately) they are at virtually no risk from the virus and they are not going to get vaccinated in reality so personally they have no risk

A lack of deaths of those who we didn't think were old/unhealthy (if we know 1 of those we discount it) gives confidence we're safe

Hence less compliance
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28/01/2021 12:31:30 0 0
bbc
Too True..If you are under 50 the risk is very low, so low in fact that 1) very unlikely to get offered a vax before it's pointless, 2) small risk of adverse vax reaction are in the same ball park as the risk from C19 itself, this curve changes rapidly above 70 yrs old, which is why they went with age as the primary driver for policy alongside front liners with high exposure
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28/01/2021 12:17:01 21 3
bbc
Why is this news? Numbers will fluctuate up and down. It is really that annoying every fluctuation is reported on. I for one would sooner learn about plans to address the consequences of this pandemic in terms of youngsters education, jobs and the economy. That would give us all some hope and a clear focus. Might even make following the rules meaningful for some people.
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28/01/2021 12:37:04 4 2
bbc
A 'plan', you ask? What is this utopian nonsense you dream of?
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28/01/2021 12:42:06 1 3
bbc
But that would require a competent government who cares rather than this bunch of single-issue lighweights who work in a series of populist kneejerks and constantly crave 'popularity'.
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28/01/2021 14:26:20 1 0
bbc
What a crock! The numbers were not "fluctuating", they showed a steady rise until the lockdowns took effect and then they have mercifully showed a slight but steady decrease. Knowing the numbers every day is needed to understand what is happening and whether the actions taken are effective. You can make as many plans as you like but it is building air castles unless we control the viral load.
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dan
28/01/2021 12:09:17 14 6
bbc
Interesting read. This begs the question, why is it that confirmed cases have fallen so drastically (~25000 cases a day compared to ~70000 at peak) if sample data suggests there's been minimal decrease.
I have no answers for it, other than maybe people with mild symptoms aren't bothering to get tested during lockdown. Gov needs to encourage testing so we get a clearer picture imo.
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28/01/2021 12:17:18 3 0
bbc
Cases will dramatically decrease if the gov use the WHO guidelines on the CT cycle cut off point used on the PCR tests.
At the moment we test up for covid RNA up to 50 cycles, and any teeny tiny remote trace of covid gets you a positive test.
After 35 cycles the chance of being infectious are less than 3% with a 0.66% decrease every cycle after that.
Perhaps finally we are using the tests properly
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28/01/2021 12:17:20 26 1
bbc
This "shallow decline" in the infection level is at odds with other measures which show a very significant decline in infections.

The daily new infections - as given out by the government - have been falling for more than 2 weeks and are now around half the level of that peak.

The ZOE COVID Symptom Study UK Infection Survey also shows a fall to around 62% of the peak of just over 2 weeks ago.
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28/01/2021 12:19:50 7 3
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I think you are confusing infection *rate* and infection *level*.
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28/01/2021 12:29:20 2 0
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Infections rates (daily new infections) can drop significantly while the number of people with the infection remains high.
We can conclude from this that the infection takes time to leave the body.

A good question to answer would be to find out if the new strains are detected in the body for a longer period (i.e. if they are harder for us to overcome).
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28/01/2021 12:31:22 0 3
bbc
However, the overall number of PCR tests being done daily is decreasing and over last the last 2 weeks over 30% of the daily tests being carried out are lateral flow which have a high level of false negatives.
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28/01/2021 13:54:39 1 0
bbc
It will be interesting to see ONS prevalence tomorrow. ONS figure for 10th to 16th Jan was 1.88% for England. So, if they have a similar result to React then that would be a significant reduction in a single week.
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28/01/2021 12:04:50 77 20
bbc
Deaths within 28-days of a positive Covid test is a poor metric to measure Covid mortality.
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28/01/2021 12:17:22 16 2
bbc
It is poor in that it relfects death from non Covid related matters and also misses Covid deaths that occur after 28 days.

It is however easy to apply and reflective of the progress of the pandemic.
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28/01/2021 12:17:46 0 1
bbc
I think these figures with regards number of positive tests (down dramatically) and what these findings suggest is the first signs of the vaccine making a difference. ie infections are still high but high within groups showing little symptoms so not getting tested.
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28/01/2021 12:17:49 2 3
bbc
Up Down, In Out, shake it all about
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28/01/2021 12:06:52 33 30
bbc
If we do not have organisations checking the facts, more of us would be misinformed. That may suit your agenda but most people prefer to be confident that news is news and not propaganda.
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28/01/2021 12:18:01 13 5
bbc
I would agree 100% if I thought for one minute that the BBC was in any way impartial.
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28/01/2021 12:33:42 4 2
bbc
Hi Eric. Please provide factual evidence - other what *you* think - that the BBC isn't impartial. Haven't you got better things to do in life than undermining one of the most impartial news source we have in this country?
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28/01/2021 12:56:25 4 2
bbc
'Impartial' presumably means reflecting your political views.
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28/01/2021 15:03:40 1 0
bbc
I would agree with you if I thought for one minute that you were in any way impartial.
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28/01/2021 11:57:57 33 3
bbc
Obvious answer...I should bloody hope so nearly a month into a third lockdown!
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28/01/2021 12:18:09 11 8
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This is good news.

Now let's open schools and borders asap and get the economy restarted - for the many not the few.
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28/01/2021 15:09:53 0 0
bbc
... and watch infection rates, hospitalisations and deaths shoot up again, as they did before lockdown.
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28/01/2021 12:12:54 13 10
bbc
You’d hope infections were going in the right direction given we’re “locked down”. The reality is it won’t be quick enough because the lockdown isn’t firm enough. The only way to get infection rates down is by decreasing human to human contact. The two are intrinsically linked.
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28/01/2021 12:18:13 6 4
bbc
Calling the current weak restrictions a “lockdown” is ridiculous.
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dan
28/01/2021 12:09:17 14 6
bbc
Interesting read. This begs the question, why is it that confirmed cases have fallen so drastically (~25000 cases a day compared to ~70000 at peak) if sample data suggests there's been minimal decrease.
I have no answers for it, other than maybe people with mild symptoms aren't bothering to get tested during lockdown. Gov needs to encourage testing so we get a clearer picture imo.
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M12
28/01/2021 12:19:01 0 1
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more testing? Absolutley not.
Imagine a best case scenario where everyone is vaccinated (so nobody can die of covid). But as you suggest, we keep testing for Covid. Since people can still catch covid, and some of these will then go on to die. People will still be dying with Covid. So the merry-go-round of panicked, draconian restrictions will continue...forever. Or until we stop testing!
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28/01/2021 12:19:33 1 5
bbc
Rubbish. There is no way hospitalizations are that high with cases falling.

The new variants have changed the landscape and my strong suspicion is that the ratio of symptomatic to asymptomatic is very different with the new strains. 1 in 3 with the old type, could be 2 in 3 with the new one or even more without than with.
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28/01/2021 12:21:48 3 0
bbc
There is a lag between cases, hospitalisations and deaths, always has been
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28/01/2021 12:23:01 1 0
bbc
I suspect a higher proportion of those with mild symptoms are simply not getting tested any more. Hence the divergence between reported new case numbers and survey test results. But I have no evidence for this....
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28/01/2021 12:19:46 7 4
bbc
It seems there is some confusion between the various ways of looking at the various numbers - but we need the new case & hospital admission rates to be decline significantly on current levels before relaxing a single useful restriction - I put the odds of a general school return this side of Easter at low to very low - unless Booster Johnson decides to gamble with our lives again.....
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28/01/2021 12:56:32 2 2
bbc
He'll try as he craves 'popularity' over doing the right thing - but he seems to have been frightened into a somewhat less foolish approach recently. I suspect someone has painted the true picture if we get a resistant variant and have to start all over again. Hasn't stopped his unnecessary jaunt to Scotland wth his large entourage today though.
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37p
28/01/2021 13:03:07 0 0
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You're right. Many of the interpretations of infections, hospital admissions, patients in hospital, vaccination numbers and deaths are subjective and often have an agenda.

I'm not sure that new case numbers are as important and hospital patient numbers (they are obviously connected) and death rates.

We need to be able to live with the virus - lockdown doesn't remove it just slow infection rates
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28/01/2021 12:17:20 26 1
bbc
This "shallow decline" in the infection level is at odds with other measures which show a very significant decline in infections.

The daily new infections - as given out by the government - have been falling for more than 2 weeks and are now around half the level of that peak.

The ZOE COVID Symptom Study UK Infection Survey also shows a fall to around 62% of the peak of just over 2 weeks ago.
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28/01/2021 12:19:50 7 3
bbc
I think you are confusing infection *rate* and infection *level*.
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28/01/2021 13:36:24 4 0
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“I think you are confusing infection *rate* and infection *level*.”

—-

Yes, thanks for pointing that out.

We do need to be clear about daily new infections (which only count once - on the day they are recorded) and infection levels (which count every day the infection lasts).

Levels will lag behind new cases but are now starting to reduce too.
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28/01/2021 12:12:54 13 10
bbc
You’d hope infections were going in the right direction given we’re “locked down”. The reality is it won’t be quick enough because the lockdown isn’t firm enough. The only way to get infection rates down is by decreasing human to human contact. The two are intrinsically linked.
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28/01/2021 12:20:02 0 0
bbc
No. The only way to get infection rates down is to use the PCR test properly.
The WHO now recommend that any test with a CT cycle rate more than 35, should be discounted as positive test. The chance of any covid RNA being infectious is less than 3% after that.
Our current test goes up to 50 cycles, which is like being breathalysed and testing positive for a beer you had 3 months ago.
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28/01/2021 12:11:16 55 27
bbc
Have a heart a attack.

Get admitted to hospital.

Catch Covid.

Therefore you did not die of a heart attack, you died of Covid.

Sounds like twisted logic to me, but not to our Government.
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28/01/2021 12:20:03 15 1
bbc
It's not the government, it's an International (WHO) method used for a new virus
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Hex
28/01/2021 12:11:29 9 1
bbc
Question is how do we end the lockdown but keep the rates low.
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28/01/2021 12:20:07 0 9
bbc
We have a complete lockdown (with plenty of warning), and a complete ban on all travellers entering the country unless they pay for two weeks quarantine in a guarded environment (if available) . There will be a time when the vaccines will stop working.
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28/01/2021 12:49:04 4 0
bbc
Thank goodness the government don't have your selfish, bilinkerd, short termist view or the economy would be in even more trouble!
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28/01/2021 15:38:37 0 0
bbc
And how do you know this about vaccines you a scientist?
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28/01/2021 12:11:16 55 27
bbc
Have a heart a attack.

Get admitted to hospital.

Catch Covid.

Therefore you did not die of a heart attack, you died of Covid.

Sounds like twisted logic to me, but not to our Government.
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28/01/2021 12:20:49 17 4
bbc
And it means you died with Covid, not of Covid
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28/01/2021 12:31:07 3 4
bbc
Too many media organisations use 'died of Covid' rather than 'died with Covid'
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28/01/2021 12:34:02 0 1
bbc
And your definition of "with" and "of" are...? Bear in mind that a large percentage of Covid deaths are due to exacerbation of, or interaction with, a pre-existing condition.

The only relevant postmortem question for a medic is: Did Covid significantly decrease this person's life expectancy? If yes, then it's a Covid-related death, no with/of nonsense. The 28-day rule approximates that metric.
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28/01/2021 12:38:16 2 0
bbc
Unlike all those never tested, or tested +ve for the first time over 28 days before dying with Covid-like symptoms, none of whom are included in the numbers.
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28/01/2021 12:39:16 2 0
bbc
If hit a tree in your car and die. It is not recorded as a Tree crash but without the presence of the tree you would in all likelyhood have survived. Same with covid. Without its presence many tens of thousands would quite likely have survived.
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28/01/2021 14:21:14 2 0
bbc
Amazing that people with positive test results are so much more likely to die within 28 days than those without. When all these people would have died anyway and Covid is allegedly just a coincidence.
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28/01/2021 12:20:51 5 4
bbc
We’re all ok now, Angela Rayner is on the case as the country’s expert!
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28/01/2021 12:31:00 1 1
bbc
Yes, it is embarrassing that she thinks she know better than the medical experts but then she is only parroting the Labour party line that their donors should be pushed up the vaccination queue in front of the sick and elderly.
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28/01/2021 12:20:59 17 8
bbc
For those saying how terribly UK is doing we are similar to most of EU. New study from Australia Lowy institute assessed almost 100 countries on six criteria, including confirmed cases, Covid-19 deaths and testing metrics. (Reported on France 24)
Europe - Germany 55th, Italy 59th, UK 66th, Belgium 72nd, France 73rd and Spain 78th.
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28/01/2021 12:21:39 10 11
bbc
It looks like the lockdown will be in place for most of the year which I think we have to accept. Hopefully from 2022 we can slowly get back to normal but that depends on us all following the rules.
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28/01/2021 12:32:25 4 3
bbc
You can accept it you because you obviously live a dull life I want my interesting life back asap lock yourself in the house and stop telling everyone else how to live
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28/01/2021 12:19:33 1 5
bbc
Rubbish. There is no way hospitalizations are that high with cases falling.

The new variants have changed the landscape and my strong suspicion is that the ratio of symptomatic to asymptomatic is very different with the new strains. 1 in 3 with the old type, could be 2 in 3 with the new one or even more without than with.
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28/01/2021 12:21:48 3 0
bbc
There is a lag between cases, hospitalisations and deaths, always has been
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28/01/2021 12:21:50 7 7
bbc
I don't believe anything from this inept and incompetent government.
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28/01/2021 12:26:01 1 2
bbc
The health & data professionals are those producing the numbers, not politicians - the latter are responsible for policy ie how much worse the numbers are than they might be, and whether future responses are the right approach for the UK.... I agree they have been very poor on that apart from vaccine planning where they took advice and acted rather than resisted
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28/01/2021 12:22:37 11 8
bbc
All the time we have people like those in Wales who were caught on cctv fleeing a hair salon when the police turned up then we're fighting an uphill battle.
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28/01/2021 12:22:39 11 5
bbc
Infections will drop when they use the PCR test as per WHO guidelines.
I.e publish the CT cycle rate, and anything over 35 cycles should now be considered negative, as it only has a 3% chance of causing infection. We test up to 50 times, so the results are like being breathalysed and being deemed over the drink drive limit for a beer you had 3 months ago.
Use the test wrong, get flawed data.
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28/01/2021 14:31:56 2 0
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This might make some sense if the reported number of deaths didn't consistently match to the same ratio of deaths. AND I'm SURE that you are a PCR expert whose advice has been ignored by the entire world.
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28/01/2021 12:22:39 13 11
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Why does the BBC insist on teasing the covidiots. They do not need much of an excuse to go running down the street and banging on the boozer doors.
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28/01/2021 12:09:56 1 1
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Do you know of some instantaneous test for the coronavirus?
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Bob
28/01/2021 12:22:47 5 0
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You have not understood.

What I am saying is, last week we had the positivity rate covering the period of the 6th to the 15th. Today we have the rate for the period covering 6th to the 22nd.

Why have the lumped the extra week's data into the previous period? If it was separate data we can easily compare and contrast week on week.
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28/01/2021 13:40:12 1 0
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Anyone wishing to look at the numbers for themselves, without any emphasis added by the BBC or other, possibly slanted source should look here:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Plenty of graphs, different datasets & other information which is easy to comprehend (except for those who find government restrictions "confusing...").
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28/01/2021 12:22:54 10 5
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Ive only just read an article saying its gone up again, so as with all these gossip stories - a big pinch of salt is needed ?????
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28/01/2021 12:19:33 1 5
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Rubbish. There is no way hospitalizations are that high with cases falling.

The new variants have changed the landscape and my strong suspicion is that the ratio of symptomatic to asymptomatic is very different with the new strains. 1 in 3 with the old type, could be 2 in 3 with the new one or even more without than with.
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28/01/2021 12:23:01 1 0
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I suspect a higher proportion of those with mild symptoms are simply not getting tested any more. Hence the divergence between reported new case numbers and survey test results. But I have no evidence for this....
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28/01/2021 12:06:42 11 8
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Push for what? Socio-economic collapse?
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28/01/2021 12:23:11 0 0
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No, to get infection rates down until all elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated.
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28/01/2021 12:23:43 7 12
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It's clear that the current restrictions are insufficient to get R down enough to get the virus under control. The new variant is more transmissible, restrictions are less tight and more people are breaking the rules than in the first lockdown. Hospitals won't cope for many more weeks at these unprecedented levels of infection - but we still have Tory MPs pushing to open up - imbeciles.
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28/01/2021 12:25:47 2 7
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Exactly. we need a harder longer lockdown and there should be no opening up this year.
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28/01/2021 12:27:42 0 0
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Not for nothing were the Tories traditionally known as the Stupid Party.....
Angela Rayner embarrassing herself again by trying to use collective group data to prove that a single profession is high risk.

Yes, frontline key workers are higher risk - but teachers are an also-ran in that category. Their death rate is nearly half vs. the working age population.

Why not stick up for the groups that top the charts instead? Oh I see, they're lowly male factory workers.
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28/01/2021 12:23:54 0 3
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I suspect that has as much to do with fear of losing your job and/or not wanting to "wimp out" if you feel ill. Teachers on the other hand have enough intelligence to realise they're stuck in a room for much of the day with pupil carriers who don't abide by social distancing rules and if school by me is anything to go by neither do the parents of those pupils.
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28/01/2021 12:04:50 77 20
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Deaths within 28-days of a positive Covid test is a poor metric to measure Covid mortality.
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28/01/2021 12:24:35 10 8
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The most important number is hospital occupancy. With full hospitals the NHS is unable to continue accepting patients for any condition. Until occupancy returns to normal levels lockdown needs to continue.
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M12
28/01/2021 12:57:22 1 1
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If by ‘normal levels’ you mean an average number for this time of year, we are already there. Indeed we have never been over it!
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28/01/2021 19:22:25 0 0
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Incorrect. Admissions are at the discretion of medical staff so the admission criteria are flexible.
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The use of fear in post-1984 world has diminishing returns very quickly

We don't see dead bodies in the streets - we don't know healthy people who have died of the virus - we might no one or even some over 70's or an unhealthy (obese or at least quite fat to us) 50 something but they die of heart attacks too - don't they

We have no sympathy for "frazzled" NHS staff as it's what they're paid for
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28/01/2021 12:26:57 5 1
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This kind of post is truly despicable....... sad person!
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Ben
28/01/2021 12:33:08 1 0
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This is a disgusting view. Many otherwise healthy young people have long-covid. Many have been told they will need oxygen tanks in the next few years. Imagine, something in their early 30s being told you need oxygen tanks for the rest of your life. As for the frazzled NHS, I dare you to approach a big muscled paramedic and tell them "it's what your paid for".
You really are a :

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With your attitude towards NHS staff.
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28/01/2021 12:25:42 14 10
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The most important number is hospital occupancy. With full hospitals the NHS is unable to continue accepting patients for any condition. Until occupancy returns to normal levels lockdown needs to continue.
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28/01/2021 12:27:05 5 2
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Totally agree
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28/01/2021 12:51:49 0 0
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Correct. Thanks to far better treatments people are now spending far longer in hospital (but then too many still dying in large numbers).
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28/01/2021 12:16:25 14 6
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Or maybe their study just conflicts with your prejudice?
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28/01/2021 12:25:45 1 0
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Or maybe Ferguson and his crew aren’t particularly accurate in their modelling?
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28/01/2021 22:29:47 0 0
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Agreed - check out Fergie's prediction for BSE deaths (50k) compared to the actual of just 177.

Where was the BBC when the previous Ferguson predictions needed fact checking?
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28/01/2021 12:23:43 7 12
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It's clear that the current restrictions are insufficient to get R down enough to get the virus under control. The new variant is more transmissible, restrictions are less tight and more people are breaking the rules than in the first lockdown. Hospitals won't cope for many more weeks at these unprecedented levels of infection - but we still have Tory MPs pushing to open up - imbeciles.
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28/01/2021 12:25:47 2 7
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Exactly. we need a harder longer lockdown and there should be no opening up this year.
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28/01/2021 13:43:26 0 0
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So without revenues and taxes where does the money come from to fund the NHS - no business no jobs, no tax income etc., etc. - there HAS to be a balance which few people seem to able to accept.
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28/01/2021 12:11:16 55 27
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Have a heart a attack.

Get admitted to hospital.

Catch Covid.

Therefore you did not die of a heart attack, you died of Covid.

Sounds like twisted logic to me, but not to our Government.
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28/01/2021 12:25:58 8 3
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The heart attack doesn't kill you, but you die of Covid after 29 days you didn't die of Covid. Cuts both ways.

The count of death certificates with Covid on them gives higher figures.
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28/01/2021 19:23:56 0 0
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Death certificates include "with covid" deaths without any positive test but a GUESS by a medic that the deceased had covid - hardly a scientific method.
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28/01/2021 12:21:50 7 7
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I don't believe anything from this inept and incompetent government.
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28/01/2021 12:26:01 1 2
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The health & data professionals are those producing the numbers, not politicians - the latter are responsible for policy ie how much worse the numbers are than they might be, and whether future responses are the right approach for the UK.... I agree they have been very poor on that apart from vaccine planning where they took advice and acted rather than resisted
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28/01/2021 12:26:05 1 4
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has anybody seen the front page of the daily star. it's just so disgusting ?? they are saying that ANAL Swabs can you belive this can detect corona virus. I've heard it all now. you are going to get infections down what they have said. and all the other sytomes are the same what we had before am sure of it. but my god something is gonna come out of all this am sure of it.
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28/01/2021 12:31:48 0 0
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It's possible, there is a lot research into detecting virus levels in effluent to ascertain likely infection levels by area, so yes i can believe it is possible.

Now theres a fact to possibly support, it where are your facts to contest it?
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28/01/2021 12:37:49 0 0
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If only this made any sense
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37p
28/01/2021 12:53:06 0 0
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No idea what you're talking about and what your point is.
We need to get to the bottom of this.
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Hex
28/01/2021 12:11:29 9 1
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Question is how do we end the lockdown but keep the rates low.
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28/01/2021 12:26:11 2 0
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Vaccination.
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28/01/2021 15:11:48 1 0
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Unfortunately, it's by no means clear that vaccination will bring infection rates down. It will protect those at risk of severe illness and death, but we don't yet know its effects on infectiousness.
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28/01/2021 12:26:32 9 6
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According to BBC every person who is infected is a blameless victim. Reality is that some groups young people are showing higher rates than adults because of their behaviour.
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28/01/2021 12:33:18 0 1
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.... and your point is?

Those young people won't even read HYS let alone take advice here. Public policy should deal with population as it is, not some idealised version you think we should have. No point blaming the young for UK performance on infection - our Government should act in line with advice that takes all factors into account - it chose to downplay risk from the start so here we are
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28/01/2021 12:04:34 54 26
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Why does the BBC decide it has to Fact Check or Reality Check certain subjects, when did the BBC become the custodians of accuracy?

If they just stuck to reporting the news we'd all be a lot better informed
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28/01/2021 12:26:55 4 1
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Who are fact checking the fact checkers?
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28/01/2021 15:04:24 1 0
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Fact checker checkers.
The use of fear in post-1984 world has diminishing returns very quickly

We don't see dead bodies in the streets - we don't know healthy people who have died of the virus - we might no one or even some over 70's or an unhealthy (obese or at least quite fat to us) 50 something but they die of heart attacks too - don't they

We have no sympathy for "frazzled" NHS staff as it's what they're paid for
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28/01/2021 12:26:57 5 1
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This kind of post is truly despicable....... sad person!
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Ben
28/01/2021 12:36:12 0 0
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They think referencing a book makes their post have strength. But they referenced 1984. For crying out loud, there are pandemic-themed novels out there.
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28/01/2021 12:25:42 14 10
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The most important number is hospital occupancy. With full hospitals the NHS is unable to continue accepting patients for any condition. Until occupancy returns to normal levels lockdown needs to continue.
95
28/01/2021 12:27:05 5 2
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Totally agree
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28/01/2021 12:27:22 6 3
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Alternatively we could look at up to date data (like those testing positive daily) and realise that actually there were 30% fewer cases this last week compared to the previous.
Dumb headline that doesn't resemble reality. Why sensationalise data that is almost 3 weeks old?!
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28/01/2021 12:04:50 77 20
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Deaths within 28-days of a positive Covid test is a poor metric to measure Covid mortality.
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28/01/2021 12:27:38 13 1
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How else are you actually going to measure Covid deaths, though? Serious question. A large percentage of Covid-related deaths are due to exacerbation of, or interaction with other conditions, so the of/with question is a grey area. the 28-day metric is of course not perfect, but in practice may be as good as it gets.
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28/01/2021 12:23:43 7 12
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It's clear that the current restrictions are insufficient to get R down enough to get the virus under control. The new variant is more transmissible, restrictions are less tight and more people are breaking the rules than in the first lockdown. Hospitals won't cope for many more weeks at these unprecedented levels of infection - but we still have Tory MPs pushing to open up - imbeciles.
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28/01/2021 12:27:42 0 0
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Not for nothing were the Tories traditionally known as the Stupid Party.....
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28/01/2021 12:27:43 1 1
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The fall in net hospital occupancy maybe due to a switch to palliative care from active intervention for very long term patients, this is an unfortunate but inevitable consequence of this terrible virus. Good news is vaccine rollout and lower daily infection numbers.
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28/01/2021 12:27:56 3 4
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Good to hear that new cases are falling - obviously due to the lockdown and our very welcome vaccination programme.

Essential now that we continue the vaccinations and do not allow the predatory EU to shaft us shaft us and we continue our well administered schedule.

Not only due they want our ham sandwiches and fish they are also making a grab for control of the vaccines. ????
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28/01/2021 12:32:04 1 2
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Yet another leaver still obsessed with the EU. You won, get over it!!