UK car production slumps to lowest level since 1984
28/01/2021 | news | business | 258
Output tumbled almost 30% last year as Covid forced factory closures and a fall in consumer demand.
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28/01/2021 10:35:17 66 10
bbc
Fewer cars is good for the planet, no?
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Bob
28/01/2021 10:40:58 45 14
bbc
When people buy a new car it typically replaces their existing car. Their old car is then sold on and someone less well off, or without an interest in a new cars, buys it and sells on their car to someone below them and so on until you reach someone who has a car on it's last legs and it sent to scrap.

Less cars produced does not have to equal less cars on the road.
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28/01/2021 18:15:40 0 0
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precisely what the BBC should think, apart from when it's reporting that everything must be increasing. or have a photo of a thunderbug
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28/01/2021 10:36:48 92 6
bbc
This is no surprise really.
Nothing open, can't go anywhere.
No one 'needs' a new car for the above reasons
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Bob
28/01/2021 10:42:19 21 68
bbc
Supermarkets.
All shops for click and collect.
Nurseries.
Schools for key workers.
Factories still running.
Offices where home working not practical still working.
And so on.

This also covers the period where pubs, restaurants, gyms etc were open for periods of time.

But yeah, sure, nothing is open.
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28/01/2021 11:06:13 5 1
bbc
A new car on the driveway to impress the neighbours perhaps?
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28/01/2021 10:36:59 23 4
bbc
Maybe something to this in cities

There is no doubt in cities there should/could be much less fossil fuel driven traffic, kids cycling/walking to school is all great; BUT the fundamentals of traffic on roads that is anything beyond 10-20km is a long way from being solved.

I have actively tried to buy electric car, but when I looked at range and infrastructure it just isn't practical for me
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28/01/2021 10:37:47 7 17
bbc
Ah, Party of the Rich decimating the UK economy yet again!

Same old same old...
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28/01/2021 10:42:50 3 1
bbc
Over to the EU..
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28/01/2021 10:40:25 16 8
bbc
This is the new world. We shouldn't be building any polluting cars anymore.
As a country we are happy to spend half a trillion pounds and stop everything because every death is a tradagy.
So we need to lockdown and spend trillions on green cars for everyone as 50000 die every year from pollution.
We must treat all deaths as terrible and not be afraid to spend trillions to prevent every death
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Soo
28/01/2021 12:57:28 3 2
bbc
"We must treat all deaths as terrible and not be afraid to spend trillions to prevent every death". Following your logic, pretty soon we will all be immortal... then what happens to pollution / the environment?
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28/01/2021 17:05:25 0 1
bbc
Eh? What is a "tradagy"?
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28/01/2021 10:35:17 66 10
bbc
Fewer cars is good for the planet, no?
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Bob
28/01/2021 10:40:58 45 14
bbc
When people buy a new car it typically replaces their existing car. Their old car is then sold on and someone less well off, or without an interest in a new cars, buys it and sells on their car to someone below them and so on until you reach someone who has a car on it's last legs and it sent to scrap.

Less cars produced does not have to equal less cars on the road.
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28/01/2021 11:33:29 4 1
bbc
And nature is doing the best it can to level off our exponential population growth and commensurate pollutive consumption

But we are doing our best to thwart it

At least the government has a windfall with over 100k fewer £9k pensions to pay out from now on.
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28/01/2021 13:13:17 6 3
bbc
You mean 'Fewer cars...', not 'Less cars...'.
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28/01/2021 14:46:33 0 0
bbc
It ultimatley will as the reduction works its way through the system.
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28/01/2021 18:16:17 0 0
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yer but no but yer but no but
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Joe
28/01/2021 10:41:13 44 6
bbc
So a year when most people haven't been able to leave their homes, other than to shop for essentials and we expect them to buy new cars? Talk about a doom a gloom headline, can anyone be shocked by this?

Until we're 'over' covid don't expect car sales to be anywhere to where they were.
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Bob
28/01/2021 11:20:30 15 14
bbc
The headline is factual, I mean they could editorialise it by adding a smiley face at the end if you want, but it doesn't change the data.

Also 'in a year when...'. Worth highlighting that traffic levels were entirely normal during August and September. Some weeks were higher than the previous year. Even during 'lockdown' 2 in late Oct/early Nov levels still sat at ~85%.
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28/01/2021 18:16:43 0 0
bbc
it is not doom and gloom. less cars being manufactured is good.
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28/01/2021 22:59:45 0 0
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I'm surprised it was that many......
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28/01/2021 10:42:16 17 5
bbc
Just a thought, less people = less cars.
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28/01/2021 10:47:11 13 4
bbc
In many ways true, but the super rich will ensure population control doesn't happen because to them they make more money from more people buying more stuff, including cars.
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28/01/2021 20:32:44 0 0
bbc
Ah yes, the elephant in the room - the world population growing out of control
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28/01/2021 10:36:48 92 6
bbc
This is no surprise really.
Nothing open, can't go anywhere.
No one 'needs' a new car for the above reasons
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Bob
28/01/2021 10:42:19 21 68
bbc
Supermarkets.
All shops for click and collect.
Nurseries.
Schools for key workers.
Factories still running.
Offices where home working not practical still working.
And so on.

This also covers the period where pubs, restaurants, gyms etc were open for periods of time.

But yeah, sure, nothing is open.
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28/01/2021 13:06:28 1 7
bbc
Apart from schools not being open. Pretty much everything else IS going as normal. But the gvmt dont want people to know that as they want to keep the economy open as best as possible.
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28/01/2021 10:37:47 7 17
bbc
Ah, Party of the Rich decimating the UK economy yet again!

Same old same old...
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28/01/2021 10:42:50 3 1
bbc
Over to the EU..
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28/01/2021 11:29:45 0 0
bbc
Perhaps...but that's why the conservatives mainly backed leaving the EU!
Because the British rich were losing their monopoly of ripping of the British people ....they don't want to share the spoils of all our labour. They wanted exclusive ripping off rights within our borders
Then they dont have to compete so hard and possibly lose out against better EU capitalists!
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28/01/2021 10:45:05 9 11
bbc
Just wait till Brexit really bites...
Nissan will not stay long, too expensive when exported to the EU
Vauxhall - soon to be closed as PSA will make more money from all production in the EU
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28/01/2021 10:48:55 7 4
bbc
Nissan has already committed to maintaining production in the UK. Any other remoaner lie exposed. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55757930
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28/01/2021 10:49:30 3 1
bbc
Excellent "Project Fear II" the sequel. Cant wait. lol.
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28/01/2021 10:56:17 2 1
bbc
You should never let the facts cause you to pass up the opportunity to shoe-horn Brexit into a story.
Global pandemic, financial uncertainty, demise of the internal combustion engine in favour of electric all clearly irrelevant to a remoaner.
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28/01/2021 10:46:34 1 1
bbc
Complete rubbish. Nissan have confirmed they are going nowhere. Get off your bandwagon.
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28/01/2021 12:48:04 0 0
bbc
£ down from 1.30Euro to around 1.13Euro A reduction of more than 10% since Brexit so more competitive now
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28/01/2021 10:46:01 13 7
bbc
Well Siddique Khan and London councils are doing their best to close down the car industry on their own own.

Increased parking charges , 24 hour emission charges , increased charges for the Dartford tunnel, more expensive to tax your vehicle the list is endless....

People are gradually being forced off the road.....and it's a surprise the sales of cars are down ?

Come on.....
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bbc
Lol...No HYS on the most read article regarding the EU's attempt to smash and grab vaccines and rejecting the logic of 'first come first served' Removed
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28/01/2021 10:49:49 34 14
bbc
BBC agenda won't allow criticism of the EU, even though they no longer receive funding from them.
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28/01/2021 10:55:45 4 2
bbc
Awaiting the truth to be established by any court decision if EU takes practical legal action per the confidential contract with AstraZenneca.

Thecquestion is whethet it will impact supplirs from UK plants
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28/01/2021 11:59:58 2 0
bbc
If you check there now is a HYS on that subject
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28/01/2021 12:25:18 3 2
bbc
It's not as simple as that, unfortunately you are.
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28/01/2021 13:05:28 3 2
bbc
Why?
Create you own HYS if you want one.
Of course you could go to another national broadcasters HYS and vent your ignorance and spleen there.
Oh wait, you won’t do the first and as for the second.........
?????????????????
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28/01/2021 10:46:42 2 0
bbc
I have only used my car a handful of times in the last year. Working from home I have no real need for a car. I’m sure a lot of people are in the same situation.
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28/01/2021 10:42:16 17 5
bbc
Just a thought, less people = less cars.
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28/01/2021 10:47:11 13 4
bbc
In many ways true, but the super rich will ensure population control doesn't happen because to them they make more money from more people buying more stuff, including cars.
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28/01/2021 10:47:44 8 0
bbc
Finally an end to the throw away society perhaps?
This could be a good thing.
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28/01/2021 11:08:58 5 0
bbc
Don't think cars are 'throwaway', but even if they were, fault lies with the manufacturer and not the consumer.

I'd love to buy a reliable, dependable car that will last for 15 years without issue - trouble is that no-one makes one.
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28/01/2021 10:45:05 9 11
bbc
Just wait till Brexit really bites...
Nissan will not stay long, too expensive when exported to the EU
Vauxhall - soon to be closed as PSA will make more money from all production in the EU
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28/01/2021 10:48:55 7 4
bbc
Nissan has already committed to maintaining production in the UK. Any other remoaner lie exposed. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55757930
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28/01/2021 10:57:10 3 2
bbc
.....thanks to the government giving them an £80M persuader. Or would the EU see that as state aid? You lose Brexiteer!
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28/01/2021 10:56:46 1 0
bbc
Is that a contractual between Nisan and Tory possibly still Trumpist BrexiteEr government?
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28/01/2021 11:25:47 1 0
bbc
A verbal commitment is not worth the paper its written on.....and the CEO of Nissan has fled to a gulf state to escape jail in Japan for.....honesty and trustworthiness??

I think I remember a guy called Dyson saying he was a patriot and committed to the British workforce..and Ratcliffe?

As Boris Johnson says ; Nissan will say...." We made that commitment on the data we had at the time..!"
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28/01/2021 10:45:05 9 11
bbc
Just wait till Brexit really bites...
Nissan will not stay long, too expensive when exported to the EU
Vauxhall - soon to be closed as PSA will make more money from all production in the EU
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28/01/2021 10:49:30 3 1
bbc
Excellent "Project Fear II" the sequel. Cant wait. lol.
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28/01/2021 10:49:34 13 1
bbc
People it's "fewer cars", not "less cars"! Shheesh!
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Bob
28/01/2021 11:12:02 11 3
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I don't think anything fewer of people who get it wrong.
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28/01/2021 10:50:15 3 0
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Lockdown has added another year on the life of cars for anyone who replaces them based on mileage.
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28/01/2021 11:05:22 3 0
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Not really;because brake callipers, batteries and drive train components rust and degrade if not used. The engine oil eventually runs off the upper parts of the combustion chambers allowing condensation to form and rust to develop on crucial machined surfaces
People will skip annual services because of low mileage , and will be running cars on degraded oil and brake fluid all of which shorten life
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28/01/2021 10:50:19 4 0
bbc
Of course, WFH has been and will be a major factor on the need for a car, as will increased online shopping

Short term car rentals are likely to increase rather than have a depreciating asset sitting outside generally being unused.
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28/01/2021 10:54:04 5 0
bbc
I agree with what you say but a new car is never an asset. Something that costs you money every month and falls in value is a liability
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Bob
28/01/2021 10:58:07 1 1
bbc
This is a reflection of a tightening of the belts, and not lack of car use.

You can see that in the types of cars being bought. 'Executive' cars haven't faired too badly, whilst family runabouts and everyday cars have faired much worse - yet it is that group that data shows are less likely to be working from home, and continuing to use cars.
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28/01/2021 12:21:41 1 0
bbc
and car share schemes
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ML
28/01/2021 10:50:23 2 0
bbc
Much as I am I petrolhead, new cars just seem overpriced now due to the way financing works for them. All these so called 'offers' I see don't represent value for money given cars are depreciating items. Coupled with the fact that most cars made in the last 15 years are no longer plagued by rust and reliability issues, I'd just buy used and learn to DIY 'easy' items with help from Youtube/forums.
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28/01/2021 11:01:18 3 0
bbc
Good in theory but modern cars are so loaded with hi tech extras that the micro circuitry starts to degrade due to temperature fluctuations and associated condensation within 5 to 7 years....so that is now the main drawback, not rust!
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28/01/2021 10:51:09 5 4
bbc
We need to stop our addiction to cars, the capital should be deployed in other ways rather than depreciating on our driveways / streets. Time to embrace mobility rather than a status symbol.
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28/01/2021 11:05:16 5 1
bbc
How do you suggest we achieve mobility in the flexible way most employers demand other than by cars?
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28/01/2021 11:14:23 1 1
bbc
Good job viruses don't transmit in tightly packed tubes and trains and buses and planes (and those cattle buses that take you from the plane to the terminal !)

Why would you need to social distance in a car to travel?
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28/01/2021 10:43:28 19 4
bbc
Who needs a new car.....I can’t use the 2 I’ve already got.
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28/01/2021 11:00:08 8 7
bbc
I think your mistake is in assuming everyone is like you.

There are some people who still need their vehicles to travel most days (often referred to as key workers), such as NHS employees, (super)marker workers, refuse collection, emergency services, care/social workers, people working on vaccines etc.
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28/01/2021 10:52:30 4 0
bbc
With the stay at home message, working from home and the difficulties in actually buying a car are you surprised?
I have done less than 1000 miles in the last 12 months.
Companies are also looking very hard at expenditure. They see not replacing cars as an easy save, especially with much lower mileages.
Finally with all the electric car uncertainty there is no incentive to change cars.
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28/01/2021 10:53:01 9 0
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I'm 52 years old and last year I finally leanred to ride a bike!
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28/01/2021 11:05:44 8 2
bbc
WITH STABILIZERS?
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28/01/2021 11:17:43 1 0
bbc
But you didn't learn to spell.
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28/01/2021 10:53:05 11 12
bbc
Whilst factually correct, this article is typical of the BBC in recent years. We didn't need to have this blindingly obviously and inane story added as front page business news.
Give us some real journalism for our licence fee.
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28/01/2021 10:58:48 4 5
bbc
Blindingly obvious to those who don't want to hear it because its their specialist subject!

Those who are not obsessed with single issue causes need to know what's going on even if it runs against what/gives a different impression of urgency from what you want to be heard!
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28/01/2021 11:15:21 2 0
bbc
And this comment is typical of BBC-bashers pandering to vested interests....
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28/01/2021 10:53:53 28 3
bbc
We don't new cars as we are in lockdown. Just another expensive item for people to get into debt for and then watch it depreciate by the day.
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28/01/2021 10:50:19 4 0
bbc
Of course, WFH has been and will be a major factor on the need for a car, as will increased online shopping

Short term car rentals are likely to increase rather than have a depreciating asset sitting outside generally being unused.
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28/01/2021 10:54:04 5 0
bbc
I agree with what you say but a new car is never an asset. Something that costs you money every month and falls in value is a liability
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28/01/2021 10:54:39 6 1
bbc
Before people say "this is a non-story and obvious", try reading it and see for yourself it includes details such as;

"Shipments to the US, Japan and Australia last year all fell, down 33.7%, 21.6% and 21.8% respectively. Exports to China, however, ended the year up 2.3%, and those to South Korea and Taiwan also rose 3.6% and 16.7% respectively"

The headline is obvious - these details aren't.
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Soo
28/01/2021 12:47:13 1 0
bbc
Not really. Let's say the UK exported a total of 10.000 cars to China in 2019, so that increased to 10.230 cars in 2020. Or, say 100,000 in 2019 makes it 102,300 in 2020. Is this (and the other quoted countries are similar) enough to sustain the UK automotive manufacturing? https://www.statista.com/statistics/298970/destination-of-cars-exported-from-the-united-kingdom/
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28/01/2021 10:55:22 4 0
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Here's a shout out to everyone with a flat car battery in the last few weeks too!
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28/01/2021 10:55:40 19 1
bbc
The need to change cars to avoid expensive repair bills isn't quite the same any longer - with 7 year warranties and lower mileage in general, why change the car and spend money on depreciation? I'd love to change to an electric car, but the range and price just isn't sensible for me... but its getting nearer!
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28/01/2021 11:08:03 11 1
bbc
My sentiments exactly. I will hang on to my 3 year old car for a few more years yet until electric car prices become more reasonable.
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28/01/2021 11:10:23 3 1
bbc
Do people really buy a new car to avoid expensive repair bills?

I buy older cars. The repair bills are still much less than the regular main dealer servicing required to keep the warranty on a new car valid.
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28/01/2021 11:12:24 8 0
bbc
Will be interesting to see if the electrical infrastructure can cope if everyone transitions to electric vehicles and puts their cars on charge over night. What was once Off peak rate could turn out to peak loading on the network.Cause and effect. Still I’m an electrical engineer and will keep me gainfully employed. Can’t see the battery lasting that much longer than warranty myself, 20years is BS
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28/01/2021 12:54:00 0 0
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I purchased a fully electric car in Nov 2019, Tesla Model 3 Standard Range. Cost was £37k which is not cheap but I budgeted for it over 8 years.

Monthly costs have reduced from £250+ to under £50 (doing same mileage).

The whole experience of driving a Tesla is surprisingly good... in fact it's better than that.

If you can try one out or stretch your budget then I would highly recommend it
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28/01/2021 10:56:15 51 10
bbc
How about a story on football attendances down from last year as nobody is allowed to go and watch them.

Or less concerts this year as nobody is allowed to go and watch them.

Or flights down from last year as nobody is allowed to fly anywhere.

Or maybe less cars bought last year as nobody is allowed to go out and drive them.
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28/01/2021 12:44:46 10 8
bbc
well it is a business article...you dont have to read it?
I assume you already knew how many cars were made last year?
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28/01/2021 10:45:05 9 11
bbc
Just wait till Brexit really bites...
Nissan will not stay long, too expensive when exported to the EU
Vauxhall - soon to be closed as PSA will make more money from all production in the EU
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28/01/2021 10:56:17 2 1
bbc
You should never let the facts cause you to pass up the opportunity to shoe-horn Brexit into a story.
Global pandemic, financial uncertainty, demise of the internal combustion engine in favour of electric all clearly irrelevant to a remoaner.
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28/01/2021 10:56:47 19 2
bbc
Maybe when this is done people might decide those cheap rental deals aren't so cheap afterall.

Or the family doesn't really need 3,4 or more cars on the drive.

I wont hold my breath
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stu
28/01/2021 11:01:43 16 0
bbc
some people just like thrown their money away I suppose. keeping up appearances lol "we've got loads of money" (it's all rented)
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ML
28/01/2021 11:35:45 3 1
bbc
It's a bit of a joke really, with all these PCP deals manufacturers have been able to inflate the sticker price of the car without the customer having to pay more per month. Realistically most people hand back or sign a new deal for another car at end of term as the balloon payment is so big. Constant money spinner for makers but overinflated prices for cars themselves, new and used...
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28/01/2021 10:45:05 9 11
bbc
Just wait till Brexit really bites...
Nissan will not stay long, too expensive when exported to the EU
Vauxhall - soon to be closed as PSA will make more money from all production in the EU
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28/01/2021 10:46:34 1 1
bbc
Complete rubbish. Nissan have confirmed they are going nowhere. Get off your bandwagon.
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28/01/2021 10:47:35 13 3
bbc
Incredible news and so unexpected :-)
Lol...No HYS on the most read article regarding the EU's attempt to smash and grab vaccines and rejecting the logic of 'first come first served' Removed
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28/01/2021 10:49:49 34 14
bbc
BBC agenda won't allow criticism of the EU, even though they no longer receive funding from them.
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28/01/2021 11:21:32 9 8
bbc
Ah but they don't need to cos you guys find ways to more than make up the balance

( Interesting how both left and right think that the BBC is biased towards the other side...in this polarised absolutist society anything that's balanced and not totally in favour of your view is declared to be biased to the other side.... or any wrong that there is not space to report [on either side] is proof!)
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28/01/2021 12:12:14 2 1
bbc
The same as the BBC won't allow a forum on knife crime
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28/01/2021 10:48:55 7 4
bbc
Nissan has already committed to maintaining production in the UK. Any other remoaner lie exposed. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55757930
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28/01/2021 10:57:10 3 2
bbc
.....thanks to the government giving them an £80M persuader. Or would the EU see that as state aid? You lose Brexiteer!
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28/01/2021 10:50:19 4 0
bbc
Of course, WFH has been and will be a major factor on the need for a car, as will increased online shopping

Short term car rentals are likely to increase rather than have a depreciating asset sitting outside generally being unused.
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Bob
28/01/2021 10:58:07 1 1
bbc
This is a reflection of a tightening of the belts, and not lack of car use.

You can see that in the types of cars being bought. 'Executive' cars haven't faired too badly, whilst family runabouts and everyday cars have faired much worse - yet it is that group that data shows are less likely to be working from home, and continuing to use cars.
27
28/01/2021 10:53:05 11 12
bbc
Whilst factually correct, this article is typical of the BBC in recent years. We didn't need to have this blindingly obviously and inane story added as front page business news.
Give us some real journalism for our licence fee.
41
28/01/2021 10:58:48 4 5
bbc
Blindingly obvious to those who don't want to hear it because its their specialist subject!

Those who are not obsessed with single issue causes need to know what's going on even if it runs against what/gives a different impression of urgency from what you want to be heard!
Lol...No HYS on the most read article regarding the EU's attempt to smash and grab vaccines and rejecting the logic of 'first come first served' Removed
42
28/01/2021 10:55:45 4 2
bbc
Awaiting the truth to be established by any court decision if EU takes practical legal action per the confidential contract with AstraZenneca.

Thecquestion is whethet it will impact supplirs from UK plants
43
28/01/2021 10:59:39 7 8
bbc
Ask captain hindsight his opinion
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28/01/2021 10:59:48 3 10
bbc
Brexit Bonus
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28/01/2021 11:03:59 5 2
bbc
Yeah, because car manufacturing is booming in the EU..........
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28/01/2021 10:43:28 19 4
bbc
Who needs a new car.....I can’t use the 2 I’ve already got.
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28/01/2021 11:00:08 8 7
bbc
I think your mistake is in assuming everyone is like you.

There are some people who still need their vehicles to travel most days (often referred to as key workers), such as NHS employees, (super)marker workers, refuse collection, emergency services, care/social workers, people working on vaccines etc.
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29/01/2021 17:33:09 0 0
bbc
A large number of people in the private sector also need a car for work - I was on the M6 earlier today just as busy as it was in December . Last year the sale price of second hand cars increased significantly as demand increased . I suspect this was partly due to people in urban areas not wanting to use / be reliant on covid affected public transport .
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stu
28/01/2021 11:00:36 15 9
bbc
Never buy brand new! you lose about 40% the second you drive it away. hire purchase is just as daft, you're renting it and you never own it

get on Autotrader and find a bargain, put some of your budget aside case of repairs

why get a drab plastic depressing little Kia when you can get a lovely Merc or BM with 60 on the clock for half the price
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28/01/2021 11:02:37 14 4
bbc
So if no-one buys new, where do you think the second hand cars are going to come from?
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28/01/2021 11:04:09 4 2
bbc
Stu, Stu, you've told everyone our little secret. Everyone will be at it now and used prices will go up.
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28/01/2021 11:06:36 6 0
bbc
If nobody buys new, there won't be any 2nd hand cars to buy!!

I bought a brand new Range Rover Velar over 3 years ago. Looking at used prices, it is still worth about 70% of what I paid for it. I also had the benefit of a warranty and a 5 year service plan, so have spent next to nothing on maintenance.

Won't be giving a used buyer the benefit of buying it for a few years yet.
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28/01/2021 11:13:01 7 1
bbc
Hmmm, false economy.

I always buy new. You get plenty of benefits with that.

And then keep the car for at least ten years. It really costs itself out.
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Bob
28/01/2021 11:13:07 3 0
bbc
Only if you pay the brochure price.

The cars with the biggest drop after driving it home are usually the brands that offer the steepest discounts.
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28/01/2021 11:28:27 2 2
bbc
or learn to negotiate and get a brand new one for less than a pre-owned 2 year old one, how's that? :)
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28/01/2021 17:57:47 0 0
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I love my used Kia. Nothing depressing about a 67 plate KX4 Sorento...beautiful car and no need for over priced German stuff.
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ML
28/01/2021 10:50:23 2 0
bbc
Much as I am I petrolhead, new cars just seem overpriced now due to the way financing works for them. All these so called 'offers' I see don't represent value for money given cars are depreciating items. Coupled with the fact that most cars made in the last 15 years are no longer plagued by rust and reliability issues, I'd just buy used and learn to DIY 'easy' items with help from Youtube/forums.
47
28/01/2021 11:01:18 3 0
bbc
Good in theory but modern cars are so loaded with hi tech extras that the micro circuitry starts to degrade due to temperature fluctuations and associated condensation within 5 to 7 years....so that is now the main drawback, not rust!
59
28/01/2021 11:07:20 1 0
bbc
There are a few bits of useful new tech, but most of it I just turn off or never use. the manufacturers are deliberately building in obsolescence, serviceability and the need to 'subscribe' as a way of chaining you to providing them with a continual revenue stream.
35
28/01/2021 10:56:47 19 2
bbc
Maybe when this is done people might decide those cheap rental deals aren't so cheap afterall.

Or the family doesn't really need 3,4 or more cars on the drive.

I wont hold my breath
48
stu
28/01/2021 11:01:43 16 0
bbc
some people just like thrown their money away I suppose. keeping up appearances lol "we've got loads of money" (it's all rented)
46
stu
28/01/2021 11:00:36 15 9
bbc
Never buy brand new! you lose about 40% the second you drive it away. hire purchase is just as daft, you're renting it and you never own it

get on Autotrader and find a bargain, put some of your budget aside case of repairs

why get a drab plastic depressing little Kia when you can get a lovely Merc or BM with 60 on the clock for half the price
49
28/01/2021 11:02:37 14 4
bbc
So if no-one buys new, where do you think the second hand cars are going to come from?
90
28/01/2021 11:23:46 3 0
bbc
Plenty of fleet buyer who sell into 2nd market at 3 years
44
28/01/2021 10:59:48 3 10
bbc
Brexit Bonus
50
28/01/2021 11:03:59 5 2
bbc
Yeah, because car manufacturing is booming in the EU..........
46
stu
28/01/2021 11:00:36 15 9
bbc
Never buy brand new! you lose about 40% the second you drive it away. hire purchase is just as daft, you're renting it and you never own it

get on Autotrader and find a bargain, put some of your budget aside case of repairs

why get a drab plastic depressing little Kia when you can get a lovely Merc or BM with 60 on the clock for half the price
51
28/01/2021 11:04:09 4 2
bbc
Stu, Stu, you've told everyone our little secret. Everyone will be at it now and used prices will go up.
73
stu
28/01/2021 11:14:53 1 2
bbc
lol sorry mate yeah maybe I should just let them carry on..

apart from the fact they're helping the destroy the planey
52
28/01/2021 11:04:57 1 4
bbc
Car manufacturers should switch to making vaccines. There's a huge market for those.
82
28/01/2021 11:19:24 1 1
bbc
Not needed, same as the ventilators
23
28/01/2021 10:51:09 5 4
bbc
We need to stop our addiction to cars, the capital should be deployed in other ways rather than depreciating on our driveways / streets. Time to embrace mobility rather than a status symbol.
53
28/01/2021 11:05:16 5 1
bbc
How do you suggest we achieve mobility in the flexible way most employers demand other than by cars?
157
28/01/2021 13:12:29 1 0
bbc
No need to own cars, just use them when you need to. Autonomous driving will force thisanyway so better get used to it. Vehicle ownership or long term leasing has had its day.
20
28/01/2021 10:50:15 3 0
bbc
Lockdown has added another year on the life of cars for anyone who replaces them based on mileage.
54
28/01/2021 11:05:22 3 0
bbc
Not really;because brake callipers, batteries and drive train components rust and degrade if not used. The engine oil eventually runs off the upper parts of the combustion chambers allowing condensation to form and rust to develop on crucial machined surfaces
People will skip annual services because of low mileage , and will be running cars on degraded oil and brake fluid all of which shorten life
26
28/01/2021 10:53:01 9 0
bbc
I'm 52 years old and last year I finally leanred to ride a bike!
55
28/01/2021 11:05:44 8 2
bbc
WITH STABILIZERS?
226
28/01/2021 20:40:21 0 0
bbc
Re-enforced to cope with a beer belly?... well done!
2
28/01/2021 10:36:48 92 6
bbc
This is no surprise really.
Nothing open, can't go anywhere.
No one 'needs' a new car for the above reasons
56
28/01/2021 11:06:13 5 1
bbc
A new car on the driveway to impress the neighbours perhaps?
212
28/01/2021 19:09:57 0 0
bbc
No. Just means another heavy commitment each month and maybe a fall to come.
57
28/01/2021 11:06:29 5 17
bbc
Add Brexit to the mix and we are stuffed.
77
28/01/2021 11:16:20 6 5
bbc
What a positive and wonderful life you must lead, how many anti depressants are you on!
46
stu
28/01/2021 11:00:36 15 9
bbc
Never buy brand new! you lose about 40% the second you drive it away. hire purchase is just as daft, you're renting it and you never own it

get on Autotrader and find a bargain, put some of your budget aside case of repairs

why get a drab plastic depressing little Kia when you can get a lovely Merc or BM with 60 on the clock for half the price
58
28/01/2021 11:06:36 6 0
bbc
If nobody buys new, there won't be any 2nd hand cars to buy!!

I bought a brand new Range Rover Velar over 3 years ago. Looking at used prices, it is still worth about 70% of what I paid for it. I also had the benefit of a warranty and a 5 year service plan, so have spent next to nothing on maintenance.

Won't be giving a used buyer the benefit of buying it for a few years yet.
66
stu
28/01/2021 11:12:08 4 1
bbc
if no one makes new there will be cars to spare for 100 years. garages and parts departments will be kept in business

it's hardly the worlds biggest problem

or.. lets use up all the petrol ones and only make the battery ones from now on
69
stu
28/01/2021 11:12:41 3 0
bbc
another way to look at it then...

let the mugs buy new and the rest of us make the saving second hand
47
28/01/2021 11:01:18 3 0
bbc
Good in theory but modern cars are so loaded with hi tech extras that the micro circuitry starts to degrade due to temperature fluctuations and associated condensation within 5 to 7 years....so that is now the main drawback, not rust!
59
28/01/2021 11:07:20 1 0
bbc
There are a few bits of useful new tech, but most of it I just turn off or never use. the manufacturers are deliberately building in obsolescence, serviceability and the need to 'subscribe' as a way of chaining you to providing them with a continual revenue stream.
32
28/01/2021 10:55:40 19 1
bbc
The need to change cars to avoid expensive repair bills isn't quite the same any longer - with 7 year warranties and lower mileage in general, why change the car and spend money on depreciation? I'd love to change to an electric car, but the range and price just isn't sensible for me... but its getting nearer!
60
28/01/2021 11:08:03 11 1
bbc
My sentiments exactly. I will hang on to my 3 year old car for a few more years yet until electric car prices become more reasonable.
225
28/01/2021 20:35:57 0 0
bbc
I just looked at going electric and was put off straight away. Higher insurance was mentioned first, then, looking at recharging sites, hardly any, then finding range and charging times were ludicrously bad if driving any distance.
16
28/01/2021 10:47:44 8 0
bbc
Finally an end to the throw away society perhaps?
This could be a good thing.
61
28/01/2021 11:08:58 5 0
bbc
Don't think cars are 'throwaway', but even if they were, fault lies with the manufacturer and not the consumer.

I'd love to buy a reliable, dependable car that will last for 15 years without issue - trouble is that no-one makes one.
86
28/01/2021 11:21:15 1 0
bbc
Volvo did in the 1980's and 90's. Only trouble is that their cars lasted so long that their owners weren't buying many new models, instead opting to run their current Volvos for 15 to 20 years. This wasn't very good for the manufacturer's sales for obvious reasons!

Modern cars have too many electronics in them to stay reliable for long periods.
127
Ian
28/01/2021 12:22:55 3 0
bbc
Yes they do! My 200,000 mile Ford is still going strong and not let me down yet...ps bought new because I plan to use it till it's scrap.
201
28/01/2021 17:24:45 0 0
bbc
The companies are set to max profit, a longer lasting car does them no favours.
32
28/01/2021 10:55:40 19 1
bbc
The need to change cars to avoid expensive repair bills isn't quite the same any longer - with 7 year warranties and lower mileage in general, why change the car and spend money on depreciation? I'd love to change to an electric car, but the range and price just isn't sensible for me... but its getting nearer!
62
28/01/2021 11:10:23 3 1
bbc
Do people really buy a new car to avoid expensive repair bills?

I buy older cars. The repair bills are still much less than the regular main dealer servicing required to keep the warranty on a new car valid.
17
28/01/2021 10:48:55 7 4
bbc
Nissan has already committed to maintaining production in the UK. Any other remoaner lie exposed. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55757930
63
28/01/2021 10:56:46 1 0
bbc
Is that a contractual between Nisan and Tory possibly still Trumpist BrexiteEr government?
64
28/01/2021 11:11:45 53 8
bbc
Even before the pandemic there was so much confusion around the future plans for car production (hybrid? EV? petrol? diesel?) that few were prepared to commit to such a significant purchase.

Pandemic reduced reliance on cars for many (but not all).

Another problem are local authorities that do all they can with traffic planning to make cars unwelcome. Despite often having no viable alternative.
100
28/01/2021 11:31:33 49 8
bbc
And then the same local authorities complain that they have no shoppers on their high streets
186
28/01/2021 15:35:02 0 0
bbc
Hmm... car usage is down you say because of LAs. Can't say I've noticed this, but there are certainly plenty of viable alternatives. I wonder what people did back in the 50/60s when cars weren't everywhere?
19
28/01/2021 10:49:34 13 1
bbc
People it's "fewer cars", not "less cars"! Shheesh!
65
Bob
28/01/2021 11:12:02 11 3
bbc
I don't think anything fewer of people who get it wrong.
58
28/01/2021 11:06:36 6 0
bbc
If nobody buys new, there won't be any 2nd hand cars to buy!!

I bought a brand new Range Rover Velar over 3 years ago. Looking at used prices, it is still worth about 70% of what I paid for it. I also had the benefit of a warranty and a 5 year service plan, so have spent next to nothing on maintenance.

Won't be giving a used buyer the benefit of buying it for a few years yet.
66
stu
28/01/2021 11:12:08 4 1
bbc
if no one makes new there will be cars to spare for 100 years. garages and parts departments will be kept in business

it's hardly the worlds biggest problem

or.. lets use up all the petrol ones and only make the battery ones from now on
32
28/01/2021 10:55:40 19 1
bbc
The need to change cars to avoid expensive repair bills isn't quite the same any longer - with 7 year warranties and lower mileage in general, why change the car and spend money on depreciation? I'd love to change to an electric car, but the range and price just isn't sensible for me... but its getting nearer!
67
28/01/2021 11:12:24 8 0
bbc
Will be interesting to see if the electrical infrastructure can cope if everyone transitions to electric vehicles and puts their cars on charge over night. What was once Off peak rate could turn out to peak loading on the network.Cause and effect. Still I’m an electrical engineer and will keep me gainfully employed. Can’t see the battery lasting that much longer than warranty myself, 20years is BS
68
28/01/2021 11:12:39 1 5
bbc
Great news
58
28/01/2021 11:06:36 6 0
bbc
If nobody buys new, there won't be any 2nd hand cars to buy!!

I bought a brand new Range Rover Velar over 3 years ago. Looking at used prices, it is still worth about 70% of what I paid for it. I also had the benefit of a warranty and a 5 year service plan, so have spent next to nothing on maintenance.

Won't be giving a used buyer the benefit of buying it for a few years yet.
69
stu
28/01/2021 11:12:41 3 0
bbc
another way to look at it then...

let the mugs buy new and the rest of us make the saving second hand
46
stu
28/01/2021 11:00:36 15 9
bbc
Never buy brand new! you lose about 40% the second you drive it away. hire purchase is just as daft, you're renting it and you never own it

get on Autotrader and find a bargain, put some of your budget aside case of repairs

why get a drab plastic depressing little Kia when you can get a lovely Merc or BM with 60 on the clock for half the price
70
28/01/2021 11:13:01 7 1
bbc
Hmmm, false economy.

I always buy new. You get plenty of benefits with that.

And then keep the car for at least ten years. It really costs itself out.
75
stu
28/01/2021 11:15:45 3 1
bbc
I usually keep my 2nd hands around 10 years?? just choose good ones
46
stu
28/01/2021 11:00:36 15 9
bbc
Never buy brand new! you lose about 40% the second you drive it away. hire purchase is just as daft, you're renting it and you never own it

get on Autotrader and find a bargain, put some of your budget aside case of repairs

why get a drab plastic depressing little Kia when you can get a lovely Merc or BM with 60 on the clock for half the price
71
Bob
28/01/2021 11:13:07 3 0
bbc
Only if you pay the brochure price.

The cars with the biggest drop after driving it home are usually the brands that offer the steepest discounts.
23
28/01/2021 10:51:09 5 4
bbc
We need to stop our addiction to cars, the capital should be deployed in other ways rather than depreciating on our driveways / streets. Time to embrace mobility rather than a status symbol.
72
28/01/2021 11:14:23 1 1
bbc
Good job viruses don't transmit in tightly packed tubes and trains and buses and planes (and those cattle buses that take you from the plane to the terminal !)

Why would you need to social distance in a car to travel?
159
28/01/2021 13:13:18 1 0
bbc
Who said anything about public transport...just use cars more efficiently.
51
28/01/2021 11:04:09 4 2
bbc
Stu, Stu, you've told everyone our little secret. Everyone will be at it now and used prices will go up.
73
stu
28/01/2021 11:14:53 1 2
bbc
lol sorry mate yeah maybe I should just let them carry on..

apart from the fact they're helping the destroy the planey
27
28/01/2021 10:53:05 11 12
bbc
Whilst factually correct, this article is typical of the BBC in recent years. We didn't need to have this blindingly obviously and inane story added as front page business news.
Give us some real journalism for our licence fee.
74
28/01/2021 11:15:21 2 0
bbc
And this comment is typical of BBC-bashers pandering to vested interests....
70
28/01/2021 11:13:01 7 1
bbc
Hmmm, false economy.

I always buy new. You get plenty of benefits with that.

And then keep the car for at least ten years. It really costs itself out.
75
stu
28/01/2021 11:15:45 3 1
bbc
I usually keep my 2nd hands around 10 years?? just choose good ones
78
stu
28/01/2021 11:16:44 2 0
bbc
well.. not usually .. but i have done on occasion..

the yearly budget either way is about £1000 . compare that to hire ripoff
84
28/01/2021 11:20:35 3 2
bbc
Hmmm, not everyone is an expert you imply yourself to be.

With new car you have the security of knowing you are not getting stuffed by dodgy mechanic. Then you get exemptions from MOT and Service for a couple of years. Everything is basically...new.

And nothing beats that smell of that new interior!
76
28/01/2021 11:15:49 7 7
bbc
Yet another BBC article on the 'bleeding obvious'....
92
28/01/2021 11:25:05 5 4
bbc
Yet another brainless comment....
57
28/01/2021 11:06:29 5 17
bbc
Add Brexit to the mix and we are stuffed.
77
28/01/2021 11:16:20 6 5
bbc
What a positive and wonderful life you must lead, how many anti depressants are you on!
97
28/01/2021 11:29:01 1 0
bbc
Still wearing those rose-tinted glasses?...
75
stu
28/01/2021 11:15:45 3 1
bbc
I usually keep my 2nd hands around 10 years?? just choose good ones
78
stu
28/01/2021 11:16:44 2 0
bbc
well.. not usually .. but i have done on occasion..

the yearly budget either way is about £1000 . compare that to hire ripoff
79
28/01/2021 11:16:55 3 1
bbc
Hopefully some people are starting to wise up to the fact that they don't need a brand new car every two years whilst being permanently shackled to finance packages. For a few thousand pounds, you can buy a decent second hand car in good condition from a reputable source. If maintained properly, it will give many years of faithful service. The long term savings of this approach are huge!
85
28/01/2021 11:20:44 2 1
bbc
If people don't buy new cars, then the supply of secondhand cars will dry up and your cheap deals will be harder to find.
89
28/01/2021 11:23:32 0 0
bbc
Agreed. Buying a new car every two/three years is daft unless you can truly afford it (few can!).

I have been buying new cars, for cash, every 12 - 14 years. Works like a dream and keeps repairs to the minimum.
103
28/01/2021 11:34:41 0 0
bbc
Agreed. I tend to buy cars for cash every 3 to 4 years, no debt, acceptable depreciation. My Father tends to replace his every 3 years and buys ex-Motability cars at 3 years old. Been looked after ,serviced, often in perfect condition inside and out. Everyone is going to be thinking more carefully about things now. PCP's and debt are for the foolish.
26
28/01/2021 10:53:01 9 0
bbc
I'm 52 years old and last year I finally leanred to ride a bike!
80
28/01/2021 11:17:43 1 0
bbc
But you didn't learn to spell.
81
28/01/2021 11:17:56 4 2
bbc
Profit margins of <6% in a good year, brexit non-tariff and JIT barriers mean it doesn't make sense to build most new models in UK. Environment and Electric is changing the game. Only those who have economies of scale, mega battery capacity or hybrid (Tesla, VW, Toyota, Chinese) will prosper. Expect further consolidation and shrinkage as model cycles come to an end.
111
28/01/2021 11:45:23 1 0
bbc
Good we dont have to import the materials to make batteries; steel, copper for cables and rubber for tyres then!
We can weave them from our natural wind and water resources and our world beating diligent work-ethic and realistically modest lifestyle expectations!

Henning Vane said the British mental health crisis was due to a p*** poor work ethic combined with unrealistic lifestyle expectations
52
28/01/2021 11:04:57 1 4
bbc
Car manufacturers should switch to making vaccines. There's a huge market for those.
82
28/01/2021 11:19:24 1 1
bbc
Not needed, same as the ventilators
7
Joe
28/01/2021 10:41:13 44 6
bbc
So a year when most people haven't been able to leave their homes, other than to shop for essentials and we expect them to buy new cars? Talk about a doom a gloom headline, can anyone be shocked by this?

Until we're 'over' covid don't expect car sales to be anywhere to where they were.
83
Bob
28/01/2021 11:20:30 15 14
bbc
The headline is factual, I mean they could editorialise it by adding a smiley face at the end if you want, but it doesn't change the data.

Also 'in a year when...'. Worth highlighting that traffic levels were entirely normal during August and September. Some weeks were higher than the previous year. Even during 'lockdown' 2 in late Oct/early Nov levels still sat at ~85%.
75
stu
28/01/2021 11:15:45 3 1
bbc
I usually keep my 2nd hands around 10 years?? just choose good ones
84
28/01/2021 11:20:35 3 2
bbc
Hmmm, not everyone is an expert you imply yourself to be.

With new car you have the security of knowing you are not getting stuffed by dodgy mechanic. Then you get exemptions from MOT and Service for a couple of years. Everything is basically...new.

And nothing beats that smell of that new interior!
79
28/01/2021 11:16:55 3 1
bbc
Hopefully some people are starting to wise up to the fact that they don't need a brand new car every two years whilst being permanently shackled to finance packages. For a few thousand pounds, you can buy a decent second hand car in good condition from a reputable source. If maintained properly, it will give many years of faithful service. The long term savings of this approach are huge!
85
28/01/2021 11:20:44 2 1
bbc
If people don't buy new cars, then the supply of secondhand cars will dry up and your cheap deals will be harder to find.
99
28/01/2021 11:30:24 0 0
bbc
Plenty of ex company cars come onto the market every year, so your statement is not true
61
28/01/2021 11:08:58 5 0
bbc
Don't think cars are 'throwaway', but even if they were, fault lies with the manufacturer and not the consumer.

I'd love to buy a reliable, dependable car that will last for 15 years without issue - trouble is that no-one makes one.
86
28/01/2021 11:21:15 1 0
bbc
Volvo did in the 1980's and 90's. Only trouble is that their cars lasted so long that their owners weren't buying many new models, instead opting to run their current Volvos for 15 to 20 years. This wasn't very good for the manufacturer's sales for obvious reasons!

Modern cars have too many electronics in them to stay reliable for long periods.
38
28/01/2021 10:49:49 34 14
bbc
BBC agenda won't allow criticism of the EU, even though they no longer receive funding from them.
87
28/01/2021 11:21:32 9 8
bbc
Ah but they don't need to cos you guys find ways to more than make up the balance

( Interesting how both left and right think that the BBC is biased towards the other side...in this polarised absolutist society anything that's balanced and not totally in favour of your view is declared to be biased to the other side.... or any wrong that there is not space to report [on either side] is proof!)
114
28/01/2021 11:46:49 10 6
bbc
List one single article from the impartial BBC that headlines and details the findings of a pro Brexit think tank.

As opposed to all of the "news" articles that quoted verbatim the findings any pro EU think tanks that did so much as even sneeze. For the most part articles without any contrary perspective or comment.
88
28/01/2021 11:22:29 6 3
bbc
This no car utopia is ridiculous , are we going back to the 1880's ? . The reality is unless you live , work , shop and play in a wholly urban environment you need a car , not everyone lives in central London ! , try telling a mother with 2 young children in tow how easy it is to get 100lbs of groceries back home using public transport , the no cars idea works for metropolitan elites only !
91
28/01/2021 11:24:31 3 5
bbc
Hmmm, perhaps you should mention to that mother she could have home delivery?....
108
28/01/2021 11:40:02 1 1
bbc
No!
WE could go back to the 50s when Dad went out to work, on the bus or his bike, and mum trudged to the shops every day to bring home the daily grocery needs in two 10kg shopping bags , one in each hand...between cleaning and darning socks, mending torn shirts, making jam and pies from home grown fruit...and letting the primary school children WALK home ALONE up to 2 miles each day
125
28/01/2021 12:12:42 1 0
bbc
100lb ? wow theyre putting it away
79
28/01/2021 11:16:55 3 1
bbc
Hopefully some people are starting to wise up to the fact that they don't need a brand new car every two years whilst being permanently shackled to finance packages. For a few thousand pounds, you can buy a decent second hand car in good condition from a reputable source. If maintained properly, it will give many years of faithful service. The long term savings of this approach are huge!
89
28/01/2021 11:23:32 0 0
bbc
Agreed. Buying a new car every two/three years is daft unless you can truly afford it (few can!).

I have been buying new cars, for cash, every 12 - 14 years. Works like a dream and keeps repairs to the minimum.
49
28/01/2021 11:02:37 14 4
bbc
So if no-one buys new, where do you think the second hand cars are going to come from?
90
28/01/2021 11:23:46 3 0
bbc
Plenty of fleet buyer who sell into 2nd market at 3 years
88
28/01/2021 11:22:29 6 3
bbc
This no car utopia is ridiculous , are we going back to the 1880's ? . The reality is unless you live , work , shop and play in a wholly urban environment you need a car , not everyone lives in central London ! , try telling a mother with 2 young children in tow how easy it is to get 100lbs of groceries back home using public transport , the no cars idea works for metropolitan elites only !
91
28/01/2021 11:24:31 3 5
bbc
Hmmm, perhaps you should mention to that mother she could have home delivery?....
96
28/01/2021 11:28:45 2 2
bbc
No slots available!
76
28/01/2021 11:15:49 7 7
bbc
Yet another BBC article on the 'bleeding obvious'....
92
28/01/2021 11:25:05 5 4
bbc
Yet another brainless comment....
17
28/01/2021 10:48:55 7 4
bbc
Nissan has already committed to maintaining production in the UK. Any other remoaner lie exposed. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55757930
93
28/01/2021 11:25:47 1 0
bbc
A verbal commitment is not worth the paper its written on.....and the CEO of Nissan has fled to a gulf state to escape jail in Japan for.....honesty and trustworthiness??

I think I remember a guy called Dyson saying he was a patriot and committed to the British workforce..and Ratcliffe?

As Boris Johnson says ; Nissan will say...." We made that commitment on the data we had at the time..!"
94
28/01/2021 11:26:32 7 4
bbc
Well the reason for this is COVID and stay at home.

When things hopefully pick up, we can help ourselves by :

1. Buy more cars that are manufactured in the UK

2. Buying less cars manufactured outside the UK

--
46
stu
28/01/2021 11:00:36 15 9
bbc
Never buy brand new! you lose about 40% the second you drive it away. hire purchase is just as daft, you're renting it and you never own it

get on Autotrader and find a bargain, put some of your budget aside case of repairs

why get a drab plastic depressing little Kia when you can get a lovely Merc or BM with 60 on the clock for half the price
95
28/01/2021 11:28:27 2 2
bbc
or learn to negotiate and get a brand new one for less than a pre-owned 2 year old one, how's that? :)
129
28/01/2021 12:24:52 2 1
bbc
I got 8k off a 25k car last time. Could literally have had it delivered and sold it on making 5k. But I like the car so much going to hold on to this one.
91
28/01/2021 11:24:31 3 5
bbc
Hmmm, perhaps you should mention to that mother she could have home delivery?....
96
28/01/2021 11:28:45 2 2
bbc
No slots available!
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28/01/2021 11:16:20 6 5
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What a positive and wonderful life you must lead, how many anti depressants are you on!
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28/01/2021 11:29:01 1 0
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Still wearing those rose-tinted glasses?...
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28/01/2021 10:42:50 3 1
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Over to the EU..
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28/01/2021 11:29:45 0 0
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Perhaps...but that's why the conservatives mainly backed leaving the EU!
Because the British rich were losing their monopoly of ripping of the British people ....they don't want to share the spoils of all our labour. They wanted exclusive ripping off rights within our borders
Then they dont have to compete so hard and possibly lose out against better EU capitalists!
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28/01/2021 11:20:44 2 1
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If people don't buy new cars, then the supply of secondhand cars will dry up and your cheap deals will be harder to find.
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28/01/2021 11:30:24 0 0
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Plenty of ex company cars come onto the market every year, so your statement is not true
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28/01/2021 11:11:45 53 8
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Even before the pandemic there was so much confusion around the future plans for car production (hybrid? EV? petrol? diesel?) that few were prepared to commit to such a significant purchase.

Pandemic reduced reliance on cars for many (but not all).

Another problem are local authorities that do all they can with traffic planning to make cars unwelcome. Despite often having no viable alternative.
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28/01/2021 11:31:33 49 8
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And then the same local authorities complain that they have no shoppers on their high streets
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28/01/2021 13:19:35 3 0
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Complete fallacy, high streets are dying out because they are useless in comparison to on line. Horrible places to find any goods. Rich people owning cars a sped running them are not really deterred by tiny parking fees. Or they would get a bus, and put up with the terrible inconvenience of public transport. The 'pull' of the high street has just evaporated for ever. Not before time.
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28/01/2021 14:03:47 1 2
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No, they raise parking charges some more.
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28/01/2021 15:36:09 0 0
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Competition from on-line shopping is the main problem.