Climate: Government postpones Environment Bill again
26/01/2021 | news | politics | 493
The Environment Bill has been postponed again because of a lack of time for scrutiny, the government says.
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26/01/2021 14:17:04 67 12
bbc
This delay is just a smokescreen, we need to protect endangered species immediately no matter what the cost is. Once they are gone that`s it they are gone, money need to be diverted from everything else to help these poor critters
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26/01/2021 16:35:22 14 30
bbc
Yep and currently they are protecting the endangered humans
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26/01/2021 16:36:56 4 10
bbc
"No matter what the cost" ?

There has been extinction of species for more than 400 million years

The ascendance of one species usually comes at the death of another

One day it will be the turn of the human species
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26/01/2021 17:08:07 7 4
bbc
oh come on Tories are mainly the shot and hunt set.
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26/01/2021 19:19:57 0 5
bbc
Drivel!
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27/01/2021 10:14:37 0 0
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Its called natural selection and your efforts no matter how good wont change the outcome. Just like a virus is at work selecting for the best hosts inhumans
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27/01/2021 10:28:39 0 0
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Destroying the planet would be a drastic way to fight the pandemic. Talk about the 'scorched earth policy' ...
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MVP
26/01/2021 14:21:45 104 17
bbc
This demonstrates how just how unimportant the government considers climate change to be.
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26/01/2021 16:48:24 34 46
bbc
Or, how much more important a pandemic is?
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26/01/2021 16:48:33 5 23
bbc
It would be good if that were so, but it really looks like they believe this climate emergency claptrap.
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26/01/2021 17:17:59 5 14
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How important do YOU think the environment is? Perhaps you would like to share with us some of your own actions that have reduced your environmental footprint.
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27/01/2021 09:24:38 2 1
bbc
They only consider climate change important for more taxes.

They really could not care less about the environment, after all, they all live in nice places anyway.
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27/01/2021 10:11:42 0 6
bbc
Even the IPCC states there is no climate emergency...
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27/01/2021 10:25:09 3 0
bbc
It's not just climate change, the environment is essential for mental and physical wellbeing as well as ecological (and hence agricultural) viability. The govt and Media, however, abandon all reason when it comes to economic pseudo-metrics and the wealth of party sponsors.
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26/01/2021 14:21:52 9 5
bbc
Most people need to realise that the term 'green belt' is meaningless. The government need to recognise the country is over populated.
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26/01/2021 15:10:05 4 3
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UkGov does. Its that every time they mention any disincentive, curb or policy certain groups argue about how illiberal the country has become. Momentum & anti globalists I know use the AGW as a way of deflecting away from their respectively large families.
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26/01/2021 14:22:06 59 11
bbc
The environment is being damaged due to an ever increasing population. There needs to be more focus on moving to a more sustainable population.
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26/01/2021 14:25:48 39 10
bbc
population is an issue, but many other more immediate actions can be taken to protect the environment.
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26/01/2021 17:50:59 7 5
bbc
I can't help but read this as: "my house is on fire but i'm not going to do anything about it until the neighbours kill off a few of their number". This "population is the problem" argument is trite. Even if it's true what are you going to do about it? How long will it take? Who can't have children and who decides?
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26/01/2021 23:24:49 3 0
bbc
Yes, agreed, but it is only one cause of environmental damage. HS2, new coal mines, building on floodplains are but 3 more.
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27/01/2021 09:23:27 0 0
bbc
Yes, it's an unwelcome truth that we are the only species actively destroying our own life support system.

More, people, more stuff, more damage.

Turn the clock back 1000 years, we still did bad things like burning wood to keep warm, but with fewer people, it had little impact, like the remaining indigenous tribes have in the rain forests. They don't want or need stuff.
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27/01/2021 12:46:25 0 2
bbc
If you have kids and post comments on population growth ... well its a bit hypocritical isn't it
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27/01/2021 13:43:34 0 0
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Lots of back and forth here about population - any practical, workable suggestions as to how we reduce population?
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27/01/2021 14:08:32 0 0
bbc
If only we could find a way of having less idiots born.
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26/01/2021 14:22:37 129 16
bbc
It took one day of "scrutiny" to force through the Brexit Bill the biggest piece of legislation for decades. Surely there must be time for this - if there is a will.
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26/01/2021 14:59:15 44 4
bbc
It does smack of insincerity, doesn't it?

But I have no doubt it does need scrutiny.
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GEH
26/01/2021 18:57:41 5 3
bbc
The alternative is for the bill to fall at the end of the Parliamentary session and then start from square 1. If they really wanted to kick this into the long grass that's what would have been allowed to happen!
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fos
27/01/2021 00:24:47 0 5
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What planet are you on it took 3 years before MPs even began a serious attempt
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27/01/2021 06:10:10 2 0
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No will.
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IJB
27/01/2021 10:46:00 0 2
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It's unimportant and therefore can be put on the back burner
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27/01/2021 12:52:20 0 1
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Force it through ... who was forced exactly ?
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26/01/2021 14:23:59 53 10
bbc
Given that COVID is a symptom of the systematic destruction of natural habitat for wildlife there should be time spared for this. Science says there will be many more pandemics if we continue to wreck the planet and natural habitat for wildlife.
Or could it be better if scientists stop messing around with natural virus's & then letting them escape into the general population? Removed
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26/01/2021 21:03:55 0 3
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Wasn't Covid a result of China not caring at all about human health and basic sanitation? And considering the "blame America" PR campaign they have going, it seems like they still haven't learned.
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26/01/2021 14:24:15 29 10
bbc
The Environment Bill is page after page of off-loading responsibility away from the government and is lacking any targets or scrutiny.
Another half baked shambles by a half baked, not 'oven ready' government.
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26/01/2021 14:35:46 14 8
bbc
to the two down votes, I take it you have read the bill?
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26/01/2021 14:22:06 59 11
bbc
The environment is being damaged due to an ever increasing population. There needs to be more focus on moving to a more sustainable population.
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26/01/2021 14:25:48 39 10
bbc
population is an issue, but many other more immediate actions can be taken to protect the environment.
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26/01/2021 14:35:01 11 13
bbc
Population is the issue. You can pass all the green legislation you want but until the demands of an ever increasing population are reduced you will never help the environment.
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26/01/2021 14:39:39 9 4
bbc
Family planning does have an immediate affect. Or have you never had any kids yourself or not notice how food, clothing, water goes through the roof. Worth it but even so, too many people does have a massive affect.

Have a look at the predictions of population growth in poorer counties. 50% chance that population will still be increasing beyond 11 billion by 2100. An issues that needs urgency
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26/01/2021 14:55:30 12 8
bbc
Remarkable the correlation in the names of those who are CC deniers & those who generally have far right-wing views. Occasionally they'll switch their argument to over population, blaming Africa & similar, when the problem is 10% of the world's population:

https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/the-worlds-richest-people-also-emit-the-most-carbon

Don't fall for right-wing lies! The poor = small footprint!
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27/01/2021 10:27:08 0 1
bbc
Population is THE issue.
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bri
26/01/2021 14:24:34 4 21
bbc
Environmental bill to protect wildlife like our hedgehogs who are disappearing, hang on what's the only predicator of hedgehogs why it's those TB carrying badgers.
Badger numbers explode then hedgehog numbers fall dramatically, it ain't rocket science to see the connection but far easier to blame farmers & builders, it couldn't possibly be the fault of the environmentalists could it?
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26/01/2021 14:29:59 13 2
bbc
Why is it there is always a badger hatter everywhere you go. Poor old Chris Packham must dispair..
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26/01/2021 14:33:00 6 2
bbc
That study was conducted on amenity grassland and did show a correlation. However the real issue for the decline of hedgehogs is habitat loss by neat and tidy gardeners and farming intensification.
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RPH
26/01/2021 15:24:39 4 1
bbc
Actually, it's mostly dogs and foxes. And that's assuming that 'predicators', or maybe predators, are the problem, not other environmental factors. But don't let the facts get in the way of an environmentalist-bashing...
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26/01/2021 22:43:54 0 0
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Where I live the decline of hedgehogs has correlated very closely with the increase in badgers. I didn't know badgers actually eat hedgehogs but they certainly out-compete them for food. I also didn't know environmentalists eat hedgehogs.
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26/01/2021 14:27:34 3 13
bbc
This is a lying Neo Lib continuation Govt. that grows 300,000 homes a year on Englands Green space. Alters Planning Democracy to do it and uses mass immigration to facilitate it. A big test now we have million unemployed-who comes first-foreign migrant GDP and builders excess profits or our unemployed-with the mass tree planting needed to connect up a new UK Forest just a line for the gullible.
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26/01/2021 14:29:22 9 16
bbc
UK is a world leader on the environment and we are way ahead of EU minimum standards already - much of our impact is offshored and we have very little polluting industry or power generation so I think this bill can wait a bit. I'm sure the gov won't risk any bad environmental press as we are hosting the climate change conference in Glasgow in November
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26/01/2021 14:43:56 14 2
bbc
By off shored do you mean a lot of our "recyclable" waste is sent to other countries to be burned?
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sw
26/01/2021 14:45:51 6 3
bbc
HA! HA! HA! That's a good one.
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bri
26/01/2021 14:24:34 4 21
bbc
Environmental bill to protect wildlife like our hedgehogs who are disappearing, hang on what's the only predicator of hedgehogs why it's those TB carrying badgers.
Badger numbers explode then hedgehog numbers fall dramatically, it ain't rocket science to see the connection but far easier to blame farmers & builders, it couldn't possibly be the fault of the environmentalists could it?
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26/01/2021 14:29:59 13 2
bbc
Why is it there is always a badger hatter everywhere you go. Poor old Chris Packham must dispair..
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bri
26/01/2021 14:32:43 1 10
bbc
Maybe because farmers have to deal with the consequences unlike the Packhams of this world!
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26/01/2021 22:44:19 0 0
bbc
They don't still make hats out of badgers do they?
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26/01/2021 14:23:59 53 10
bbc
Given that COVID is a symptom of the systematic destruction of natural habitat for wildlife there should be time spared for this. Science says there will be many more pandemics if we continue to wreck the planet and natural habitat for wildlife.
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bri
bbc
Or could it be better if scientists stop messing around with natural virus's & then letting them escape into the general population? Removed
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26/01/2021 14:52:20 14 2
bbc
Have you got lots of evidence of this happening, actual evidence not hearsay or made-up nonsense?
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sw
26/01/2021 15:25:13 7 1
bbc
Many other escaped virus's have moved from animals to humans on various continents. Due to too many people impacting on habitats and eating bushmeat, or too dense farming of livestock, or both.
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27/01/2021 09:28:19 0 0
bbc
Welcome back the misery of smallpox and polio.

Part of your wish came true yesterday with 100,000 miserable deaths
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26/01/2021 14:30:53 93 18
bbc
Lack of time for scrutiny ... lol. Johnson managed to railroad his EU trade bill thru the HOC in a matter of hours. He takes us for mugs. With some justification.
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26/01/2021 14:58:02 57 19
bbc
Thats because at least half this country are just that. he relies on massaging the vile little prejudices that so many in this country still have, why wouldn't he?...it works.
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26/01/2021 17:06:53 12 3
bbc
Of course he does it's something he's good at. Making promises then telling lies to cover up his own failings of which there are many
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Bob
26/01/2021 18:58:22 3 5
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And people rightly moaned about lack of time to read it and scrutinise it.

Moan when they do. Moan when they don't.
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27/01/2021 10:12:31 0 0
bbc
Errr how many years was it worked on - oh yes 4 years...no scrutiny wake up
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bri
26/01/2021 14:24:34 4 21
bbc
Environmental bill to protect wildlife like our hedgehogs who are disappearing, hang on what's the only predicator of hedgehogs why it's those TB carrying badgers.
Badger numbers explode then hedgehog numbers fall dramatically, it ain't rocket science to see the connection but far easier to blame farmers & builders, it couldn't possibly be the fault of the environmentalists could it?
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26/01/2021 14:33:00 6 2
bbc
That study was conducted on amenity grassland and did show a correlation. However the real issue for the decline of hedgehogs is habitat loss by neat and tidy gardeners and farming intensification.
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bri
26/01/2021 14:36:07 1 6
bbc
Get a lot of badgers on amenity grassland do you? Maybe try looking on our farms.
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sw
26/01/2021 14:47:23 3 0
bbc
More road traffic.
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26/01/2021 14:29:59 13 2
bbc
Why is it there is always a badger hatter everywhere you go. Poor old Chris Packham must dispair..
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bri
26/01/2021 14:32:43 1 10
bbc
Maybe because farmers have to deal with the consequences unlike the Packhams of this world!
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26/01/2021 14:42:52 7 2
bbc
I dread to think what a mess the countryside would be in if it was`t for Chris Packham! Without him the wildlife woud be almost extinct and farmers would have even newer Range Rovers (If that`s Possible!!). You need to accept reality...
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26/01/2021 14:25:48 39 10
bbc
population is an issue, but many other more immediate actions can be taken to protect the environment.
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26/01/2021 14:35:01 11 13
bbc
Population is the issue. You can pass all the green legislation you want but until the demands of an ever increasing population are reduced you will never help the environment.
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26/01/2021 14:38:05 10 3
bbc
I disagree, I work in the environment sector and we undertake many projects every year that improve the environment.
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26/01/2021 14:24:15 29 10
bbc
The Environment Bill is page after page of off-loading responsibility away from the government and is lacking any targets or scrutiny.
Another half baked shambles by a half baked, not 'oven ready' government.
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26/01/2021 14:35:46 14 8
bbc
to the two down votes, I take it you have read the bill?
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27/01/2021 08:56:25 0 1
bbc
No chance they have!
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26/01/2021 14:35:01 11 13
bbc
Population is the issue. You can pass all the green legislation you want but until the demands of an ever increasing population are reduced you will never help the environment.
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26/01/2021 14:38:05 10 3
bbc
I disagree, I work in the environment sector and we undertake many projects every year that improve the environment.
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sw
26/01/2021 15:26:51 5 3
bbc
I am sure you do, but, there are still too many people on this planet.
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26/01/2021 14:38:58 31 3
bbc
The emperor Nero comes to mind.... his fiddle obviously survived the centuries.
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26/01/2021 15:20:18 3 12
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Wrong Era
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Rob
26/01/2021 15:43:00 3 0
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except that now it's us being fiddled.
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26/01/2021 14:25:48 39 10
bbc
population is an issue, but many other more immediate actions can be taken to protect the environment.
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26/01/2021 14:39:39 9 4
bbc
Family planning does have an immediate affect. Or have you never had any kids yourself or not notice how food, clothing, water goes through the roof. Worth it but even so, too many people does have a massive affect.

Have a look at the predictions of population growth in poorer counties. 50% chance that population will still be increasing beyond 11 billion by 2100. An issues that needs urgency
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26/01/2021 14:54:36 16 0
bbc
Yes agreed, no one is disagreeing with you. However, we shouldn't use over-population as an excuse to do nothing. There is much we can do to save our own biodiversity, which is what this article is about.

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sw
26/01/2021 15:31:07 6 1
bbc
There are too many young people for jobs in the world. Most developing countries have populations that struggle to exist. Hence migration. Low birthrate needed worldwide.
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26/01/2021 14:33:00 6 2
bbc
That study was conducted on amenity grassland and did show a correlation. However the real issue for the decline of hedgehogs is habitat loss by neat and tidy gardeners and farming intensification.
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bri
26/01/2021 14:36:07 1 6
bbc
Get a lot of badgers on amenity grassland do you? Maybe try looking on our farms.
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bri
26/01/2021 14:32:43 1 10
bbc
Maybe because farmers have to deal with the consequences unlike the Packhams of this world!
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26/01/2021 14:42:52 7 2
bbc
I dread to think what a mess the countryside would be in if it was`t for Chris Packham! Without him the wildlife woud be almost extinct and farmers would have even newer Range Rovers (If that`s Possible!!). You need to accept reality...
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26/01/2021 14:53:24 2 3
bbc
Farmers farmed according the the common agricultural policy, remember that?
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26/01/2021 14:29:22 9 16
bbc
UK is a world leader on the environment and we are way ahead of EU minimum standards already - much of our impact is offshored and we have very little polluting industry or power generation so I think this bill can wait a bit. I'm sure the gov won't risk any bad environmental press as we are hosting the climate change conference in Glasgow in November
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26/01/2021 14:43:56 14 2
bbc
By off shored do you mean a lot of our "recyclable" waste is sent to other countries to be burned?
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26/01/2021 14:55:12 2 1
bbc
No, manufacturing of stuff, foundries, chemical works, factories etc. I don't agree with exporting waste but we don't have the energy from waste capacity here as UK has too many barriers to building such operations as it is seen as too polluting here for many and getting planning permission is very difficult and costly
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26/01/2021 14:29:22 9 16
bbc
UK is a world leader on the environment and we are way ahead of EU minimum standards already - much of our impact is offshored and we have very little polluting industry or power generation so I think this bill can wait a bit. I'm sure the gov won't risk any bad environmental press as we are hosting the climate change conference in Glasgow in November
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sw
26/01/2021 14:45:51 6 3
bbc
HA! HA! HA! That's a good one.
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26/01/2021 14:56:46 2 1
bbc
Thanks - it wasn't meant to be funny but please enlighten us all
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26/01/2021 14:46:31 53 10
bbc
How stark the contrast: not enough space in parliamentary prospect for 'due scrutiny' of measures bearing on global climate emergency (already too much heat in our oceans, to our children a life bequeathed on the edge or over the edge, in runaway catastrophe), but Brexit and Frictioned Trade were imposed by McCarthyite majorities almost 'overnight' (capitalising on the frauds of years gone by).
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26/01/2021 14:50:39 50 13
bbc
Absolutely, just shows the insincerity and contempt the Tories hold for all of us!
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26/01/2021 15:19:59 2 9
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Wow, another person who ignores the probable forecasts by the IPCC. This is the same IPCC that the eco-warriors demanded that everyone listens to, but when the IPCC no longer promotes the eco-dystopia that you want to promote, you still repeat the improbable forecasts as a certainty.

Simple question for you: Would you still believe in the catastrophic scenarios if they benefited capitalism?
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27/01/2021 09:07:55 0 0
bbc
No, it took four years
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27/01/2021 10:18:00 0 1
bbc
Utter rubbish. Even the IPCC state there is no climate emergency. You do know we are still in an ice age? You do know that CO2 was 2000% higher in the past and it was far hotter, the earth was green and life thrived. Read Schellenberger's recent book apocalypse never.
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26/01/2021 14:33:00 6 2
bbc
That study was conducted on amenity grassland and did show a correlation. However the real issue for the decline of hedgehogs is habitat loss by neat and tidy gardeners and farming intensification.
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sw
26/01/2021 14:47:23 3 0
bbc
More road traffic.
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26/01/2021 14:46:31 53 10
bbc
How stark the contrast: not enough space in parliamentary prospect for 'due scrutiny' of measures bearing on global climate emergency (already too much heat in our oceans, to our children a life bequeathed on the edge or over the edge, in runaway catastrophe), but Brexit and Frictioned Trade were imposed by McCarthyite majorities almost 'overnight' (capitalising on the frauds of years gone by).
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26/01/2021 14:50:39 50 13
bbc
Absolutely, just shows the insincerity and contempt the Tories hold for all of us!
Or could it be better if scientists stop messing around with natural virus's & then letting them escape into the general population? Removed
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26/01/2021 14:52:20 14 2
bbc
Have you got lots of evidence of this happening, actual evidence not hearsay or made-up nonsense?
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26/01/2021 14:42:52 7 2
bbc
I dread to think what a mess the countryside would be in if it was`t for Chris Packham! Without him the wildlife woud be almost extinct and farmers would have even newer Range Rovers (If that`s Possible!!). You need to accept reality...
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26/01/2021 14:53:24 2 3
bbc
Farmers farmed according the the common agricultural policy, remember that?
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26/01/2021 14:54:15 6 22
bbc
there is a climate issue but not an emergency exactly
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26/01/2021 14:56:05 16 6
bbc
Stupefying ignorance.
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sw
26/01/2021 15:00:18 6 1
bbc
Ice caps melting, sea levels rising, droughts. What more do you need. It is happening now.
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26/01/2021 14:39:39 9 4
bbc
Family planning does have an immediate affect. Or have you never had any kids yourself or not notice how food, clothing, water goes through the roof. Worth it but even so, too many people does have a massive affect.

Have a look at the predictions of population growth in poorer counties. 50% chance that population will still be increasing beyond 11 billion by 2100. An issues that needs urgency
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26/01/2021 14:54:36 16 0
bbc
Yes agreed, no one is disagreeing with you. However, we shouldn't use over-population as an excuse to do nothing. There is much we can do to save our own biodiversity, which is what this article is about.

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26/01/2021 15:27:09 3 3
bbc
Not saying we should ignore or do nothing. One issue is that as population increase so does subsistence farming. True they may not be burning excessive fossil fuels, but the damaged caused is just as bad as they are destroying the carbon sinks the global population desperately needs. Whether its downgrading forests to poor farm land, over fishing.

A blinkered approach on just CO2 is wrong.
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26/01/2021 14:43:56 14 2
bbc
By off shored do you mean a lot of our "recyclable" waste is sent to other countries to be burned?
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26/01/2021 14:55:12 2 1
bbc
No, manufacturing of stuff, foundries, chemical works, factories etc. I don't agree with exporting waste but we don't have the energy from waste capacity here as UK has too many barriers to building such operations as it is seen as too polluting here for many and getting planning permission is very difficult and costly
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26/01/2021 14:25:48 39 10
bbc
population is an issue, but many other more immediate actions can be taken to protect the environment.
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26/01/2021 14:55:30 12 8
bbc
Remarkable the correlation in the names of those who are CC deniers & those who generally have far right-wing views. Occasionally they'll switch their argument to over population, blaming Africa & similar, when the problem is 10% of the world's population:

https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/the-worlds-richest-people-also-emit-the-most-carbon

Don't fall for right-wing lies! The poor = small footprint!
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26/01/2021 15:36:07 7 4
bbc
Yep, in your book being a LibDem supporter & voter for years makes me a right-winger????

Chad which is a poor African country population
1960 = 3million
2020 = 16million
2050= 34million
Thats a growing number of them in ultra poverty, which means they have to destroy the environment to survive. Without carbon sinks how is the ecosystem ever recover?
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Bob
26/01/2021 19:10:31 0 1
bbc
Remarkable the amount of people that think people who say population is an issue are climate change deniers.

There are hardly any climate change deniers. Even Trump was not a denier.
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26/01/2021 14:54:15 6 22
bbc
there is a climate issue but not an emergency exactly
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26/01/2021 14:56:05 16 6
bbc
Stupefying ignorance.
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26/01/2021 15:05:45 0 7
bbc
its my opinion as to what constitutes an emergency
I supposed you are against central heating as well
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26/01/2021 16:07:14 0 1
bbc
Just go away will you.
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sw
26/01/2021 14:45:51 6 3
bbc
HA! HA! HA! That's a good one.
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26/01/2021 14:56:46 2 1
bbc
Thanks - it wasn't meant to be funny but please enlighten us all
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sw
26/01/2021 15:17:27 2 2
bbc
Just read what you wrote.
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26/01/2021 14:30:53 93 18
bbc
Lack of time for scrutiny ... lol. Johnson managed to railroad his EU trade bill thru the HOC in a matter of hours. He takes us for mugs. With some justification.
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26/01/2021 14:58:02 57 19
bbc
Thats because at least half this country are just that. he relies on massaging the vile little prejudices that so many in this country still have, why wouldn't he?...it works.
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26/01/2021 17:32:09 6 7
bbc
Sovereignty and democracy are only "vile little prejudices" if you lean towards the fascist side of the political spectrum. And part of the dehumanisation that those fellows love so much.
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27/01/2021 09:06:37 0 2
bbc
Isn't it good that you don't have any vile prejudices
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27/01/2021 10:13:11 0 0
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You need to get out more for your exercise and join the real world
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26/01/2021 14:22:37 129 16
bbc
It took one day of "scrutiny" to force through the Brexit Bill the biggest piece of legislation for decades. Surely there must be time for this - if there is a will.
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26/01/2021 14:59:15 44 4
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It does smack of insincerity, doesn't it?

But I have no doubt it does need scrutiny.
The Coronavirus Act 2020 also needed scrutiny.

One thing which would have been apparent very, very quickly is that Government already had the powers it needed under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004 - all except the power to shed its accountability and for its actions to be open to challenge.

Tory Government, incompetent, anti-environmental, corrupt and tyrannical.
Removed
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26/01/2021 14:54:15 6 22
bbc
there is a climate issue but not an emergency exactly
39
sw
26/01/2021 15:00:18 6 1
bbc
Ice caps melting, sea levels rising, droughts. What more do you need. It is happening now.
41
26/01/2021 15:05:08 2 7
bbc
Natural weather movements
Used to be coral reefs in dudley west midlands
Climate an issue but not an emergency in my opinion
49
26/01/2021 15:15:14 2 5
bbc
IPCC forecasts **do not** support your apocalyptic desires.

Nor does the https://climateactiontracker.org/global/temperatures/

Of course it is your choice if you deny the science like Greta, FoE, et al

30
26/01/2021 14:53:24 2 3
bbc
Farmers farmed according the the common agricultural policy, remember that?
45
26/01/2021 15:11:39 3 2
bbc
Fake news
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sw
26/01/2021 15:19:07 2 0
bbc
Vaccinate livestock.
39
sw
26/01/2021 15:00:18 6 1
bbc
Ice caps melting, sea levels rising, droughts. What more do you need. It is happening now.
41
26/01/2021 15:05:08 2 7
bbc
Natural weather movements
Used to be coral reefs in dudley west midlands
Climate an issue but not an emergency in my opinion
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sw
26/01/2021 15:13:55 3 0
bbc
Too many humans, wanting too much stuff, destroying the planet. Emergency.
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26/01/2021 16:27:14 2 1
bbc
And exactly what has limestone formation over 400 million years ago when the earth had an entirely different distribution of continents and oceans to the present day got to do with human impacts on climate over the last couple of hundred years?
35
26/01/2021 14:56:05 16 6
bbc
Stupefying ignorance.
42
26/01/2021 15:05:45 0 7
bbc
its my opinion as to what constitutes an emergency
I supposed you are against central heating as well
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RPH
26/01/2021 15:13:19 5 0
bbc
Yes, but an opinion based on short-sighted ignorance really isn't worth much.
3
26/01/2021 14:21:52 9 5
bbc
Most people need to realise that the term 'green belt' is meaningless. The government need to recognise the country is over populated.
43
26/01/2021 15:10:05 4 3
bbc
UkGov does. Its that every time they mention any disincentive, curb or policy certain groups argue about how illiberal the country has become. Momentum & anti globalists I know use the AGW as a way of deflecting away from their respectively large families.
351
27/01/2021 09:33:30 0 0
bbc
You know some very odd people
44
26/01/2021 15:10:28 11 3
bbc
There seems to be a bit of a lack of joined up thinking between "buy British" and rewilding our farmland. Perhaps this reality is just dawning on them, hence the delay.
104
26/01/2021 16:13:49 12 2
bbc
More "dither & delay" from the Tory Govt! How ironic!??
45
26/01/2021 15:11:39 3 2
bbc
Fake news
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DSA
26/01/2021 15:13:16 7 5
bbc
A sensible decision.

If the pandemic is not beaten first, the climate problem would solve itself as the world population continues to shrink towards an acceptable level.
42
26/01/2021 15:05:45 0 7
bbc
its my opinion as to what constitutes an emergency
I supposed you are against central heating as well
47
RPH
26/01/2021 15:13:19 5 0
bbc
Yes, but an opinion based on short-sighted ignorance really isn't worth much.
51
26/01/2021 15:16:52 1 3
bbc
and your opinion,
There is an issue but not an emergency
Covid vaccination is an emergency
As i say my opinion and am allowed it
41
26/01/2021 15:05:08 2 7
bbc
Natural weather movements
Used to be coral reefs in dudley west midlands
Climate an issue but not an emergency in my opinion
48
sw
26/01/2021 15:13:55 3 0
bbc
Too many humans, wanting too much stuff, destroying the planet. Emergency.
50
26/01/2021 15:16:00 1 5
bbc
not an emergency
57
26/01/2021 15:23:43 1 3
bbc
not an emergency, stuff is good if purchased correctly
39
sw
26/01/2021 15:00:18 6 1
bbc
Ice caps melting, sea levels rising, droughts. What more do you need. It is happening now.
49
26/01/2021 15:15:14 2 5
bbc
IPCC forecasts **do not** support your apocalyptic desires.

Nor does the https://climateactiontracker.org/global/temperatures/

Of course it is your choice if you deny the science like Greta, FoE, et al

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Rob
26/01/2021 15:40:40 2 2
bbc
'The power of Greta Thunberg’s message is how she drives home both the remorseless logic of climate physics'

said that well known leftie tree-hugger with no respect for the economy, Mark Carney ex boss of the Bank of England.

But then we have the benefit of your expertise Grumpy!
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sw
26/01/2021 15:43:38 1 0
bbc
OMG you are one of them! I thought you were extinct.
107
26/01/2021 16:17:41 2 1
bbc
So sea levels aren't rising, the cryosphere isn't suffering accelerating melting, there aren't increasing incidences of weather extremes and IPCC say - it's OK we can relax there is no problem and AGW doesn't exist? You must be totally ignorant of IPCC publications and a huge bulk of scientific literatrure.
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sw
26/01/2021 15:13:55 3 0
bbc
Too many humans, wanting too much stuff, destroying the planet. Emergency.
50
26/01/2021 15:16:00 1 5
bbc
not an emergency
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Rob
26/01/2021 15:42:01 1 0
bbc
beyond emergency perhaps?

Not sure what the word is for that.
75
sw
26/01/2021 15:42:22 0 1
bbc
Clearly the speed of global warming, is not sufficiently fast enough for you.
47
RPH
26/01/2021 15:13:19 5 0
bbc
Yes, but an opinion based on short-sighted ignorance really isn't worth much.
51
26/01/2021 15:16:52 1 3
bbc
and your opinion,
There is an issue but not an emergency
Covid vaccination is an emergency
As i say my opinion and am allowed it
36
26/01/2021 14:56:46 2 1
bbc
Thanks - it wasn't meant to be funny but please enlighten us all
52
sw
26/01/2021 15:17:27 2 2
bbc
Just read what you wrote.
62
26/01/2021 15:28:56 2 1
bbc
Still looks sensible to me, sounds like you don't have a point of view
53
sw
26/01/2021 15:19:07 2 0
bbc
Vaccinate livestock.
26
26/01/2021 14:46:31 53 10
bbc
How stark the contrast: not enough space in parliamentary prospect for 'due scrutiny' of measures bearing on global climate emergency (already too much heat in our oceans, to our children a life bequeathed on the edge or over the edge, in runaway catastrophe), but Brexit and Frictioned Trade were imposed by McCarthyite majorities almost 'overnight' (capitalising on the frauds of years gone by).
54
26/01/2021 15:19:59 2 9
bbc
Wow, another person who ignores the probable forecasts by the IPCC. This is the same IPCC that the eco-warriors demanded that everyone listens to, but when the IPCC no longer promotes the eco-dystopia that you want to promote, you still repeat the improbable forecasts as a certainty.

Simple question for you: Would you still believe in the catastrophic scenarios if they benefited capitalism?
103
26/01/2021 16:13:42 6 1
bbc
The IPCC dares not share a consensus opinion too far ahead of 'data' abused by cynical captive-media and inflamed 'public opinion'. We have almost exhausted the oceanic heat-sink that has so far kept 'enough of the rich' from atmospheric fire-works and floods. Our children will know more physics: 80 calories 'hidden' with a 1 gm melt, next 80 calories warming 80 gm by 1 degree... soon airborne.
301
27/01/2021 08:46:05 0 0
bbc
Yes. Growth industries are in sorting out the environment. Failing ones are in polluting etc.
20
26/01/2021 14:38:58 31 3
bbc
The emperor Nero comes to mind.... his fiddle obviously survived the centuries.
55
26/01/2021 15:20:18 3 12
bbc
Wrong Era
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26/01/2021 15:20:41 48 15
bbc
Without the EU environmental standards, just watch our government gradually remove all protections. Thanks Brexit

oh and for all the smartmuppets who always say that the EU standards weren't high enough... They were standards.. It's a floor not a ceiling. It's the minimum acceptable. We could always have increased our standards before. We just chose not to, and now we won't.
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sw
26/01/2021 15:35:08 43 9
bbc
They have already started, sugar beet and neonicintinoids. Death to BEES.
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Ian
26/01/2021 15:37:37 5 15
bbc
The EU is run by a bunch of unelected officials acting in the best interests of the richest few. Why would you want to be part of a club like that?

Many were hopeful of a Corbyn led government post Brexit but the PLP made sure he didn't get elected. Not a Corbyn fan by the way. Just saying.
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Gee
26/01/2021 16:05:30 9 3
bbc
Yes the common fisheries policy & the common agriculture policy are fantastic assuming you want over fishing, chucking dead fish back in the sea, bottom trawling the sea bed to leave a marine desert behind. Growing crops just because you get paid to grow them irrespective of the demand or good land management
137
26/01/2021 17:02:22 5 0
bbc
When is the EU going to stop the mas murder of migrating birds in the Mediterranean?

Probably never, as it is only interested in power, not actually doing anything useful.
179
26/01/2021 18:04:39 3 1
bbc
The public voted. Although without full info but voted to leave none the less. Thanks the general public. I was remain BTW
184
26/01/2021 18:12:35 1 1
bbc
And the EU still hasn't approved the Astrazenica vaccine that we approved end December. So much for EU standards, more interested in red tape than being effective...
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sw
26/01/2021 15:13:55 3 0
bbc
Too many humans, wanting too much stuff, destroying the planet. Emergency.
57
26/01/2021 15:23:43 1 3
bbc
not an emergency, stuff is good if purchased correctly
9
bri
26/01/2021 14:24:34 4 21
bbc
Environmental bill to protect wildlife like our hedgehogs who are disappearing, hang on what's the only predicator of hedgehogs why it's those TB carrying badgers.
Badger numbers explode then hedgehog numbers fall dramatically, it ain't rocket science to see the connection but far easier to blame farmers & builders, it couldn't possibly be the fault of the environmentalists could it?
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RPH
26/01/2021 15:24:39 4 1
bbc
Actually, it's mostly dogs and foxes. And that's assuming that 'predicators', or maybe predators, are the problem, not other environmental factors. But don't let the facts get in the way of an environmentalist-bashing...
Or could it be better if scientists stop messing around with natural virus's & then letting them escape into the general population? Removed
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sw
26/01/2021 15:25:13 7 1
bbc
Many other escaped virus's have moved from animals to humans on various continents. Due to too many people impacting on habitats and eating bushmeat, or too dense farming of livestock, or both.
19
26/01/2021 14:38:05 10 3
bbc
I disagree, I work in the environment sector and we undertake many projects every year that improve the environment.
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sw
26/01/2021 15:26:51 5 3
bbc
I am sure you do, but, there are still too many people on this planet.
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26/01/2021 14:54:36 16 0
bbc
Yes agreed, no one is disagreeing with you. However, we shouldn't use over-population as an excuse to do nothing. There is much we can do to save our own biodiversity, which is what this article is about.

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26/01/2021 15:27:09 3 3
bbc
Not saying we should ignore or do nothing. One issue is that as population increase so does subsistence farming. True they may not be burning excessive fossil fuels, but the damaged caused is just as bad as they are destroying the carbon sinks the global population desperately needs. Whether its downgrading forests to poor farm land, over fishing.

A blinkered approach on just CO2 is wrong.
52
sw
26/01/2021 15:17:27 2 2
bbc
Just read what you wrote.
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26/01/2021 15:28:56 2 1
bbc
Still looks sensible to me, sounds like you don't have a point of view
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sw
26/01/2021 15:46:33 0 2
bbc
OH well, if you do not get it...
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Ian
26/01/2021 15:29:14 2 5
bbc
No surprise there then.

Unfortunately, whilst we carry on voting for the establishment parties, all supporting capitalism, nothing will change.

Even The Green Party aren't prepared to challenge the capitalist system, choosing to carry out Tory austerity with pleasure within our local councils.

I don't believe there's one current MP or councillor who actually, genuinely, gives a fudge.
76
26/01/2021 15:42:44 4 2
bbc
"Even The Green Party ... choosing to carry out .. austerity with pleasure within our local councils"
Of course they are, its how they get more people to be Green by promoting division & blaming the Gov. Remember that the Green MP has defined frequent flying as 5x, whereas she typically flies to the USA 4x /annum.
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Gee
26/01/2021 16:02:09 2 0
bbc
So vote for a anti capitalist party, like the one in China, great environmental record they have. What about the old Soviet Union I hear Chernobyl is a great place to live thanks to their superior standards.
64
26/01/2021 15:29:15 46 10
bbc
As usual the Crony Party is driven by its own personal pockets and self interests, rather than the public good and well-being of the nation.
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26/01/2021 15:39:39 17 27
bbc
Cronyism started in 1997 with Tony Bliar, you know the leader of **Labour** supported by the unions. You seem to forget that it was Blair that was accused of epic scales Cronyism. Suggest you update your references,
He didnt do as much as he should have to protect the environment, made many aspects worse. Current UKGov, no better, no worse than the majority.
382
27/01/2021 10:18:55 0 1
bbc
Err unlike any other political party or activist group you mean...wake up Dr
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26/01/2021 14:39:39 9 4
bbc
Family planning does have an immediate affect. Or have you never had any kids yourself or not notice how food, clothing, water goes through the roof. Worth it but even so, too many people does have a massive affect.

Have a look at the predictions of population growth in poorer counties. 50% chance that population will still be increasing beyond 11 billion by 2100. An issues that needs urgency
65
sw
26/01/2021 15:31:07 6 1
bbc
There are too many young people for jobs in the world. Most developing countries have populations that struggle to exist. Hence migration. Low birthrate needed worldwide.
169
26/01/2021 17:53:51 4 2
bbc
"Low birthrate needed worldwide." So easy to say... who gets to make that call? Who can have children, and who decides? It's no coincidence these arguments usually end up pointing the finger elsewhere, often Africa... This argument is never thought through and doesn't smell good to me.
66
26/01/2021 15:33:54 42 5
bbc
Not as if this Government has any previous history in kicking the can down the road when it comes to serious decision making?
130
26/01/2021 16:52:26 9 28
bbc
They need to put the question " Do you want to pay 5 times more for your energy?" to the focus groups as soon as possible.
67
26/01/2021 15:34:17 24 9
bbc
Pathetic , what a bunch of dithering idiots we have at the helm, dont worry its only the very thing that supports us all..
92
26/01/2021 15:59:13 13 3
bbc
They don’t see it though, too immersed in their urban bubble, detached from nature.
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26/01/2021 15:20:41 48 15
bbc
Without the EU environmental standards, just watch our government gradually remove all protections. Thanks Brexit

oh and for all the smartmuppets who always say that the EU standards weren't high enough... They were standards.. It's a floor not a ceiling. It's the minimum acceptable. We could always have increased our standards before. We just chose not to, and now we won't.
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sw
26/01/2021 15:35:08 43 9
bbc
They have already started, sugar beet and neonicintinoids. Death to BEES.
71
26/01/2021 15:38:12 9 5
bbc
So has the EU. Don’t let facts get in the way of your preferred narrative
138
26/01/2021 17:03:52 6 0
bbc
Several EU countries have also started using neonics again. Why didn't you point that out too?
172
26/01/2021 17:57:23 2 0
bbc
Of course we're not alone in that and several EU countries are doing the same. I, sadly, don't doubt you're right in what this government will do, but this is not an example of them doing it.
420
27/01/2021 11:09:58 0 0
bbc
Something still perfectly legal in the EU
11 member nations use noenicitinoids under very similar legislation for certain emergency situations
34
26/01/2021 14:55:30 12 8
bbc
Remarkable the correlation in the names of those who are CC deniers & those who generally have far right-wing views. Occasionally they'll switch their argument to over population, blaming Africa & similar, when the problem is 10% of the world's population:

https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/the-worlds-richest-people-also-emit-the-most-carbon

Don't fall for right-wing lies! The poor = small footprint!
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26/01/2021 15:36:07 7 4
bbc
Yep, in your book being a LibDem supporter & voter for years makes me a right-winger????

Chad which is a poor African country population
1960 = 3million
2020 = 16million
2050= 34million
Thats a growing number of them in ultra poverty, which means they have to destroy the environment to survive. Without carbon sinks how is the ecosystem ever recover?
460
27/01/2021 14:25:54 0 0
bbc
If the cap fits wear it. Me thinks you doth protest too much... and give yourself away.

I see you conveniently managed to gloss over this:

https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/the-worlds-richest-people-also-emit-the-most-carbon

You were also unable to deal with the fact that poor = low carbon footprint.
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26/01/2021 15:20:41 48 15
bbc
Without the EU environmental standards, just watch our government gradually remove all protections. Thanks Brexit

oh and for all the smartmuppets who always say that the EU standards weren't high enough... They were standards.. It's a floor not a ceiling. It's the minimum acceptable. We could always have increased our standards before. We just chose not to, and now we won't.
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Ian
26/01/2021 15:37:37 5 15
bbc
The EU is run by a bunch of unelected officials acting in the best interests of the richest few. Why would you want to be part of a club like that?

Many were hopeful of a Corbyn led government post Brexit but the PLP made sure he didn't get elected. Not a Corbyn fan by the way. Just saying.
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BOF
26/01/2021 21:34:09 1 0
bbc
Because there was some suggestion that the even richer fewer might have to pay some tax perhaps.
68
sw
26/01/2021 15:35:08 43 9
bbc
They have already started, sugar beet and neonicintinoids. Death to BEES.
71
26/01/2021 15:38:12 9 5
bbc
So has the EU. Don’t let facts get in the way of your preferred narrative
78
26/01/2021 15:43:07 6 2
bbc
Downvoted by quoting a fact. Whether we should be using them is a different question
64
26/01/2021 15:29:15 46 10
bbc
As usual the Crony Party is driven by its own personal pockets and self interests, rather than the public good and well-being of the nation.
72
26/01/2021 15:39:39 17 27
bbc
Cronyism started in 1997 with Tony Bliar, you know the leader of **Labour** supported by the unions. You seem to forget that it was Blair that was accused of epic scales Cronyism. Suggest you update your references,
He didnt do as much as he should have to protect the environment, made many aspects worse. Current UKGov, no better, no worse than the majority.
108
26/01/2021 16:18:56 10 1
bbc
Agreed Labour in power weren't great, but these guys are taking it to an artform! Shipping contracts to firms with no ships comes to mind for a start...
226
26/01/2021 19:44:48 6 1
bbc
Tory B.Liar didn't start cronyism, not by any means.
333
27/01/2021 09:21:31 1 0
bbc
Is this the best response you can offer?
347
27/01/2021 09:30:50 2 0
bbc
Cronyism is an essential qualification for any politician, after all, that's how they got there in the first place
417
27/01/2021 11:03:34 1 0
bbc
You can't blame Blair.

Cronyism has always existed.

This Tory government has simply perfected it.
452
27/01/2021 13:39:08 1 0
bbc
Er, so does that make it OK, Grumpy? What's your point? Blair's government were Tory lite anyway. You had a chance to elect a genuinely decent human being a little while ago and the right wing press had him painted as the greatest threat to liberty and simultaneously unfit to run a whelk stall. This whole bunch of crooks need locking up - whether or not there were crooks in power 20 years ago!
458
27/01/2021 14:09:49 0 0
bbc
Worst pm in Uk history, by miles. And when you think how bad May was, that’s going some.
49
26/01/2021 15:15:14 2 5
bbc
IPCC forecasts **do not** support your apocalyptic desires.

Nor does the https://climateactiontracker.org/global/temperatures/

Of course it is your choice if you deny the science like Greta, FoE, et al

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Rob
26/01/2021 15:40:40 2 2
bbc
'The power of Greta Thunberg’s message is how she drives home both the remorseless logic of climate physics'

said that well known leftie tree-hugger with no respect for the economy, Mark Carney ex boss of the Bank of England.

But then we have the benefit of your expertise Grumpy!
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26/01/2021 15:49:44 1 2
bbc
By wading through the IPCC reports! vs your expertise of confirmation bias.

Greta & XR use the out of date forecasts from pre 2010. Its 2021 & the forecasts of BAU rpc 8.5 are impossible to turn into reality.

So the question to you is really: why are you denying the IPCC probable forecasts in preference for an improbable apocalypse?

https://climateactiontracker.org/global/temperatures/
50
26/01/2021 15:16:00 1 5
bbc
not an emergency
74
Rob
26/01/2021 15:42:01 1 0
bbc
beyond emergency perhaps?

Not sure what the word is for that.
83
26/01/2021 15:45:03 0 2
bbc
its not you know
50
26/01/2021 15:16:00 1 5
bbc
not an emergency
75
sw
26/01/2021 15:42:22 0 1
bbc
Clearly the speed of global warming, is not sufficiently fast enough for you.
84
26/01/2021 15:45:32 1 3
bbc
its is warming but not an emergency, other things need to be addressed
63
Ian
26/01/2021 15:29:14 2 5
bbc
No surprise there then.

Unfortunately, whilst we carry on voting for the establishment parties, all supporting capitalism, nothing will change.

Even The Green Party aren't prepared to challenge the capitalist system, choosing to carry out Tory austerity with pleasure within our local councils.

I don't believe there's one current MP or councillor who actually, genuinely, gives a fudge.
76
26/01/2021 15:42:44 4 2
bbc
"Even The Green Party ... choosing to carry out .. austerity with pleasure within our local councils"
Of course they are, its how they get more people to be Green by promoting division & blaming the Gov. Remember that the Green MP has defined frequent flying as 5x, whereas she typically flies to the USA 4x /annum.
20
26/01/2021 14:38:58 31 3
bbc
The emperor Nero comes to mind.... his fiddle obviously survived the centuries.
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Rob
26/01/2021 15:43:00 3 0
bbc
except that now it's us being fiddled.
71
26/01/2021 15:38:12 9 5
bbc
So has the EU. Don’t let facts get in the way of your preferred narrative
78
26/01/2021 15:43:07 6 2
bbc
Downvoted by quoting a fact. Whether we should be using them is a different question
243
BOF
26/01/2021 21:35:16 0 0
bbc
Would that be facts or neo nics we should or should not be using?
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col
26/01/2021 15:43:37 2 4
bbc
If the Govt forced it through they would be attacked for not allowing time for scrutiny,

They allow that time amidst a global pandemic and the biggest upheaval to UK trade in 50Yrs, and they are attacked.

It will be citizens and business that save the planet, not governments.

It is OUR planet.

No one says we have to wait to be told how to save it!
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26/01/2021 16:01:49 2 1
bbc
Businesses do have to be told. If they are not told their duty is to maximise profit for their shareholders, NOT protect the environment. SO - unless told - they will continue to use whatever chemicals, fertilisers and materials make the most immediate business sense without any reference to the environment

Liar Johnson regularly claims to be concerned about climate change, but he's a proven liar
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26/01/2021 15:15:14 2 5
bbc
IPCC forecasts **do not** support your apocalyptic desires.

Nor does the https://climateactiontracker.org/global/temperatures/

Of course it is your choice if you deny the science like Greta, FoE, et al

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sw
26/01/2021 15:43:38 1 0
bbc
OMG you are one of them! I thought you were extinct.
85
26/01/2021 15:46:30 1 3
bbc
just his opinion as he is free to have
Dont all agree there is an emergency or Gretas garb
89
26/01/2021 15:54:37 1 2
bbc
Whereas you seem to only promote the improbable scenarios. An average sealevel of 1m around the UK is already being mitigated on large stretchs if the coast. And nowhere in history has coastline ever stayed static to what is being engineered. 1m is the IPCC forecasts as probable.

So why do you know better than the IPCC?
81
26/01/2021 15:44:09 18 4
bbc
Parliamentary scrutiny wasn't any issue for Brexit but is deemed a justifiable excuse for delaying action on Global Environmental catastrophe?? Lodestar - Load of cods wallop
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Gee
26/01/2021 15:58:15 8 6
bbc
Parliamentary scrutiny delayed Brexit by about 4 years
143
26/01/2021 17:06:11 0 1
bbc
The environment is a far more serious matter that affects us all. The EU is just a temporary construct that will soon disappear with no harm to anyone.
82
26/01/2021 15:44:45 8 2
bbc
I guess on the energy generation front we could favour sources with a smaller footprint, e.g. 430 acres for Hinkley C vs 130,000 or ~250,000 acres for the same annual generation from solar or wind respectively, ...and even then, there's nothing fundamentally stopping us from doubling or tripling the generating capacity on existing nuclear sites.
95
26/01/2021 16:02:53 1 8
bbc
Fukushima.
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Rob
26/01/2021 15:42:01 1 0
bbc
beyond emergency perhaps?

Not sure what the word is for that.
83
26/01/2021 15:45:03 0 2
bbc
its not you know
75
sw
26/01/2021 15:42:22 0 1
bbc
Clearly the speed of global warming, is not sufficiently fast enough for you.
84
26/01/2021 15:45:32 1 3
bbc
its is warming but not an emergency, other things need to be addressed
80
sw
26/01/2021 15:43:38 1 0
bbc
OMG you are one of them! I thought you were extinct.
85
26/01/2021 15:46:30 1 3
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just his opinion as he is free to have
Dont all agree there is an emergency or Gretas garb
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26/01/2021 15:28:56 2 1
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Still looks sensible to me, sounds like you don't have a point of view
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sw
26/01/2021 15:46:33 0 2
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OH well, if you do not get it...
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26/01/2021 16:09:21 2 0
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I'm interested in other views, I have some knowledge as I work in manufacturing, renewable energy and recycling and can sense greenwashing a mile away. I know that the UK isn't perfect but who is doing better in your view and why?
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Rob
26/01/2021 15:40:40 2 2
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'The power of Greta Thunberg’s message is how she drives home both the remorseless logic of climate physics'

said that well known leftie tree-hugger with no respect for the economy, Mark Carney ex boss of the Bank of England.

But then we have the benefit of your expertise Grumpy!
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26/01/2021 15:49:44 1 2
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By wading through the IPCC reports! vs your expertise of confirmation bias.

Greta & XR use the out of date forecasts from pre 2010. Its 2021 & the forecasts of BAU rpc 8.5 are impossible to turn into reality.

So the question to you is really: why are you denying the IPCC probable forecasts in preference for an improbable apocalypse?

https://climateactiontracker.org/global/temperatures/
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26/01/2021 15:51:58 1 3
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ipcc are self interested group
Good money and travel to endless conferences
Greta is a bit misguided and used by her mum, poor kid
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26/01/2021 16:39:56 1 0
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Sorry you haven't waded through the IPCC reports, well not with any understanding, and your ignorance of recent scientific literature is just woeful - you are simply a troll for the AGW-denying brigade - a soon to be extinct species.
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26/01/2021 15:49:44 1 2
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By wading through the IPCC reports! vs your expertise of confirmation bias.

Greta & XR use the out of date forecasts from pre 2010. Its 2021 & the forecasts of BAU rpc 8.5 are impossible to turn into reality.

So the question to you is really: why are you denying the IPCC probable forecasts in preference for an improbable apocalypse?

https://climateactiontracker.org/global/temperatures/
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26/01/2021 15:51:58 1 3
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ipcc are self interested group
Good money and travel to endless conferences
Greta is a bit misguided and used by her mum, poor kid
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26/01/2021 16:04:35 1 1
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Yes the IPCC is self interested but it is the group that Greta, XR etc demand that we all listen to. So its ironic that they dont.??

IPCC seems more concerned with CO2 than the natural carbon sinks & the destruction of them since 1850s. Hmm, connection?

Greta was selectively mute, ocd & autistic. Not a surprise that when she got latched onto something she was encouraged & then became compulsive
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sw
26/01/2021 15:43:38 1 0
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OMG you are one of them! I thought you were extinct.
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26/01/2021 15:54:37 1 2
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Whereas you seem to only promote the improbable scenarios. An average sealevel of 1m around the UK is already being mitigated on large stretchs if the coast. And nowhere in history has coastline ever stayed static to what is being engineered. 1m is the IPCC forecasts as probable.

So why do you know better than the IPCC?
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26/01/2021 16:41:13 1 0
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Says someone who doesn't even understand what the mean tidal range around most of the UK is!
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26/01/2021 15:56:03 8 5
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Typical of Government to kick the can down the road, the most important issue of all, our environment. Climate change, biodiversity loss.
Somebody said on here we have one of the best environmental records, utter dross. We have one of the lowest forest areas in Europe down to centuries of agricultural domination. Our uplands, once forested, are degraded by centuries of sheep grazing.
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Rob
26/01/2021 16:50:31 7 0
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Lovely picture of Buttermere - the awful face of sheep grazing.
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26/01/2021 17:09:12 3 0
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It is because it is important, that they are delaying it.

The UK is making rapid progress on environmental matters, there is much rewilding going on and a general increase in tree cover, not to mention increased reed beds, and the rewetting of upland moors. We could really do with increasing flower meadows though, our most depleted habitat.
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26/01/2021 17:57:13 3 1
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Hark! The voice of Extinction Rebellion graces us with its presence again.
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26/01/2021 15:44:09 18 4
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Parliamentary scrutiny wasn't any issue for Brexit but is deemed a justifiable excuse for delaying action on Global Environmental catastrophe?? Lodestar - Load of cods wallop
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Gee
26/01/2021 15:58:15 8 6
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Parliamentary scrutiny delayed Brexit by about 4 years
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26/01/2021 16:09:05 4 2
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Because it was a rubbish idea, as has been borne out the rubbish deal, our buffoon PM signed up to!??
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27/01/2021 09:29:10 0 0
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Dr...it wasn't the same parliament.
That one did its job in many respects
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26/01/2021 15:34:17 24 9
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Pathetic , what a bunch of dithering idiots we have at the helm, dont worry its only the very thing that supports us all..
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26/01/2021 15:59:13 13 3
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They don’t see it though, too immersed in their urban bubble, detached from nature.
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col
26/01/2021 15:43:37 2 4
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If the Govt forced it through they would be attacked for not allowing time for scrutiny,

They allow that time amidst a global pandemic and the biggest upheaval to UK trade in 50Yrs, and they are attacked.

It will be citizens and business that save the planet, not governments.

It is OUR planet.

No one says we have to wait to be told how to save it!
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26/01/2021 16:01:49 2 1
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Businesses do have to be told. If they are not told their duty is to maximise profit for their shareholders, NOT protect the environment. SO - unless told - they will continue to use whatever chemicals, fertilisers and materials make the most immediate business sense without any reference to the environment

Liar Johnson regularly claims to be concerned about climate change, but he's a proven liar
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Ian
26/01/2021 15:29:14 2 5
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No surprise there then.

Unfortunately, whilst we carry on voting for the establishment parties, all supporting capitalism, nothing will change.

Even The Green Party aren't prepared to challenge the capitalist system, choosing to carry out Tory austerity with pleasure within our local councils.

I don't believe there's one current MP or councillor who actually, genuinely, gives a fudge.
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Gee
26/01/2021 16:02:09 2 0
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So vote for a anti capitalist party, like the one in China, great environmental record they have. What about the old Soviet Union I hear Chernobyl is a great place to live thanks to their superior standards.
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26/01/2021 15:44:45 8 2
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I guess on the energy generation front we could favour sources with a smaller footprint, e.g. 430 acres for Hinkley C vs 130,000 or ~250,000 acres for the same annual generation from solar or wind respectively, ...and even then, there's nothing fundamentally stopping us from doubling or tripling the generating capacity on existing nuclear sites.
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26/01/2021 16:02:53 1 8
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Fukushima.
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26/01/2021 16:12:07 5 2
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So how many people have died from nuclear energy? vs fossil fuels or renewable energy?

Nuclear waste is contained. Land fill sites are needed to dispose of the 1+ million wind turbine blades. Dust from blades breaking down is harmful forever. Winds dirty secret, & the energy needed to safely destroy the blades make Wind Farms claims of being green is suspect at best, fraudulent as probable.
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26/01/2021 16:50:43 4 0
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We'd better make sure our UK nuclear plants are tsunami-proofed.
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26/01/2021 18:22:00 3 0
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Well then build a reactors with passive waste heat removal, such as Moltex Energy's MSR the 'Stable Salt Reactor',.. ...also predicted to be ~1/3 the cost current PWR based nuclear. MSR's are incapable of melting down or exploding.
Problem with Fukushima was the need for active cooling, ..i.e. pumped circulation,.. which failed when the backup generators were flooded.
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27/01/2021 11:31:52 0 0
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Whilst I see your valid concern, remember there was a problem with the positioning of the diesel backup power plants for the pool coolant system. Thety where positioned at more or less ground level.

Had the diesel generators been fitted to the ceilings of those buildings, the disaster would not have happened.

Every time something like this happens, at least one vital lesson is learnt.

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26/01/2021 15:51:58 1 3
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ipcc are self interested group
Good money and travel to endless conferences
Greta is a bit misguided and used by her mum, poor kid
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26/01/2021 16:04:35 1 1
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Yes the IPCC is self interested but it is the group that Greta, XR etc demand that we all listen to. So its ironic that they dont.??

IPCC seems more concerned with CO2 than the natural carbon sinks & the destruction of them since 1850s. Hmm, connection?

Greta was selectively mute, ocd & autistic. Not a surprise that when she got latched onto something she was encouraged & then became compulsive
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26/01/2021 21:12:22 0 0
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got it in one, poor kid
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26/01/2021 15:20:41 48 15
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Without the EU environmental standards, just watch our government gradually remove all protections. Thanks Brexit

oh and for all the smartmuppets who always say that the EU standards weren't high enough... They were standards.. It's a floor not a ceiling. It's the minimum acceptable. We could always have increased our standards before. We just chose not to, and now we won't.
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Gee
26/01/2021 16:05:30 9 3
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Yes the common fisheries policy & the common agriculture policy are fantastic assuming you want over fishing, chucking dead fish back in the sea, bottom trawling the sea bed to leave a marine desert behind. Growing crops just because you get paid to grow them irrespective of the demand or good land management
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26/01/2021 16:17:22 4 4
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Shame we're not still in the EU to fix them then really
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26/01/2021 16:58:09 5 1
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The marine environment often needs a lot of help to re-establish. Kelp & seagrass which used to surround the UK has virtually obliterated along with massive carbon sinks. Up to 30x the effectiveness of forests, and only recent research has been assessing the impact of the carbon sequestering of the marine environment.

Its a pity the EU ignored the impact, probable cos it wasnt their coast.
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BOF
26/01/2021 21:36:11 1 0
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Perhaps Farage should have spent more time working on the fisheries committee when he was an MEP.
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26/01/2021 14:56:05 16 6
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Stupefying ignorance.
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26/01/2021 16:07:14 0 1
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Just go away will you.
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26/01/2021 16:46:43 2 0
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Wonder what proportion of people believe in your cause. Espically when you let so much slip about how you derive your income ??
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26/01/2021 16:07:25 20 4
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So the Govt is agoin postponing the Environment Bill, saying that although ministers are still committed to it, the pandemic has left too little time to scrutinise it properly.

Funny how a lack of time wasn't an issue over the Brexit getting little or no scrutiny!

There's always time to make sure Tories get lucrative contracts with no questions though!??
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26/01/2021 17:21:43 7 8
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Brexit took four and a half years. Are you serious or just coming out of a coma?
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Gee
26/01/2021 15:58:15 8 6
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Parliamentary scrutiny delayed Brexit by about 4 years
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26/01/2021 16:09:05 4 2
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Because it was a rubbish idea, as has been borne out the rubbish deal, our buffoon PM signed up to!??