Gordon Brown: Trust has broken down in way UK is run
25/01/2021 | news | politics | 4,134
The UK's nations and regions are being treated as if they were "invisible", the former PM warns.
Considering how the devolved administrations have used the powers they have, I am not convinced that this would help.

Queen Nic and the Nats despise the English. Nothing will change that.
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The best change is the removal of Wee Jimmie Krankie and her unpleasant Scot Nats (what are 'Nats' in German?) Removed
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As a Scot let me point out that the vast majority here do not hate the English. What we do hate, as do a substantial number of our friends in England, is Tory rule at Westminster.
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25/01/2021 11:18:55 19 14
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You mean a bit like the English despise Europe?

Why should the Scots not want to take back control of their nation and reclaim sovereignty from the faceless Westminster establishment and the UK superstate?
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They currently use their powers to do the opposite of whatever Westminster do through deliberate contrarianism, or provide Westminster-funded SNP vote bribes like free uni tuition or free prescriptions. Would be interesting to see how many of those they were able to keep once independent.
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25/01/2021 11:55:15 10 21
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The problem is that Queen Nic has brain-washed the Scots into hating England and the English too. Disgraceful woman - all will come out in the Salmond case. She's just a power crazy woman manipulating the Scottish population - without tax payers in England subsidising Scotland the country couldn't survive.
25/01/2021 12:15:04 6 5
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No they don't actually. They just want a bigger power base. Unfortunately we (yes I'm Scottish) are bankrupt but they are good at brainwashing.

I'll stick with a United Kingdom thank you very much.
25/01/2021 12:39:19 3 2
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Let the Scot's go, we can see how they can run their economy on their main export "anti English bigotry "
25/01/2021 12:51:28 4 0
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Read a Scottish HYS and you'll see how much the English hate the Scots.
25/01/2021 13:00:31 0 0
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as I know so called queen nic no she does not hate the English wholesale just the ones who think they are superior and treat us like a colony she believes and we are a country that should run it,s own show as a so called nat I am not fully anti English just the colonial type who think they are our masters we are not bigots
25/01/2021 13:38:22 1 0
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To quote Boris Johnson when he was editor of the Spectator in which he okayed a poem in the Spectator which said the 'Scottish people are a verminous race who should be exterminated.' So I think the despising is coming the other way.
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If this was about making peoples lives better by breaking up one of the most succesful unions in history then I'd say go for it. But what improvement do people think is going to happen?
No, this about ideologues whipping up discontent to get votes by targeting nationalists and remainers and selling the dream of El Dorado in the EU. It doesn't exist, unless you dream about picking fruit in Romania.
25/01/2021 14:29:50 0 0
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Popular myth -Indy=hate English- I'm pro-Indy, as rich in English relatives as Scots, fond of them all and their circles, certainly no hatred...doesn't mean my country has same needs as their's and, if it is a union at all, needs must be listened to, respected; which they haven't been for most of my 55yrs, certainly from Callaghan onwards, often by unionist Scots (who I do think v little of)
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The issue here is however the Scottish think Nikki Sturgeon is their savior(largely because she's been brainwashing them every evening for the last year). Unfortunately the pro Scotts brigade believe their financials will be backed by the Bank of England. Really?
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We don't despise the "English". We just want to be Independent from rule by them.
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Anti everything, numptie N. S
I'm English and live in Scotland. I have always found my hosts, including SNP supporters to be friendly and welcoming. Where is the evidence that they despice us?
Considering how the devolved administrations have used the powers they have, I am not convinced that this would help.

Queen Nic and the Nats despise the English. Nothing will change that.
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He did a pretty good job of bankrunpting the country without the help of brexit and a pandemic.
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Can some people try to remember that there are Scottish people living in Britain that didn't want Brexit and don't want independence. They just want to live their lives as the British people they were born as. They don't want to have to read only the Scottish news to get their news. Please remember us. Because you say you don't care about us but we feel like one of you. So sick of ALL of this.
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Gordon Brown & his mate Tony Blair ripped this country apart with unfettered immigration, ruining communities, whilst robbing pensions, selling gold reserves at a low valuation point & deregulating banks
You have NO right to spout your garbage now, so crawl back under your rock

The current idiot in charge is no better

No party represents law & order, decent education
They just ream tax payers
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Give the Scots independence, then we wont have to listen to the little jock leader of the SNP, boring the pants off everyone. Removed
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She'll be your PM though wouldn't she?
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25/01/2021 10:50:18 10 6
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Remind me again how Brexit is getting on with the four times the amount of paperwork at the borders and the thinning supermarket shelves...

Be very, very careful what you wish for...
If the shelves are getting thinner, its probably because of the rising price of steel rather than Brexit per se. Oh and BTW, I am very careful about what I wish for. For instance, I wish people like you would put a sock in it. It's a tiresome record you keep playing. Removed
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Aw, go bomb Dresden Colin.

You're probably as dumb at history as your comments are on here , but i believe you're thinking of Arthur Harris

Bomber was my school nickname
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I saw Nicola at the weekend talking about the need for democracy & Scottish people must have a vote to have their say. She should chock on the words because the Scottish people had their say more than once & said NO! She chooses to ignore this and tries to claims its democratic! I am sure if they ever vote yes she will say the people have spoken, there is no need for another vote! Hypocrite!!!
She's just the same as all the Remainers and all the others that are fanatical about a cause. You get to keep having votes until the desired result is achieved. Don't get the result you want, then just claim the public didn't understand ( condescending ? ) or it's not democratic. Jimmy Krankie represents the worst kind of politician. Removed
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25/01/2021 11:39:14 4 3
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If England had been given an independence referendum in 2014 we would have voted to leave the UK because it would have meant England being thrown out of the EU with no exit bill to pay and no Irish border to be bothered with. Northern Ireland and Scotland could have stayed in the EU and Wales could have voted with whom to stay.
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"Between 1999 and 2002 the Treasury sold 401 tonnes of gold - out of its 715-tonne holding - at an average price of $275 an ounce, generating about $3.5bn during the period.
Gold price today 25/01/2020 = 1,864.23".

Yet again yet another idiot harking back to the fact that Brown sold some gold, in the scheme of things it made no difference. Only Conservative fools think it does.
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25/01/2021 12:02:00 1 1
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Economics clearly not your forte :-)
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To many of those advocating a united Ireland or an independent Scotland, does it really matter that much who is paying your benefits? Removed
I listened to a radio programme today about the Nazis and the dreadful things they did.
The SNP are the same people as the Nazis.
They will do the same to the Scottish people unless they are faced head on and denied their nationalist agenda.
They lost the referendum.
It's over.Dont give an inch.
By pass Holyrood.
Uphold the referendum result
The democratic opinion of the Scottish people
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25/01/2021 12:12:58 1 0
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Cheerio.
25/01/2021 12:13:43 3 0
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Lost the 2014 referendum on the agenda of guaranteed EU membership of Scotland. 2 years later English broke the promise and dragged the Scottish outside the EU againt their will.
25/01/2021 12:19:16 2 0
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What a vile, bigoted & innaccurate comment. If you did actually listen to a programme, you clearly failed to understand it. Numpty.
25/01/2021 12:44:34 0 0
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rubbish,
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25/01/2021 13:19:26 0 1
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There is enough people with learning difficulties in England to vote for the tory party AND brexit so what is your point.
25/01/2021 13:19:40 0 0
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According to YouGov, people with the lowest levels of educational achievement actually voted for the Conservatives and Brexit Party in greater numbers in comparison to people with higher levels of education. Just saying.
25/01/2021 13:15:43 0 0
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You'll be the trash-expert we take it.
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25/01/2021 10:47:46 53 40
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You jest, but it's the English's faul the UK is breaking up and its all down to how they treated NI and Scotland over Brexit. Little england is on its way and soon all there will be is england
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25/01/2021 14:02:48 4 2
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Torys in the 80 & 90 getting personal secretaries pregnant and buying duck islands, Labour in the 2000s giving passports for London Dome funding, invading Iraq. Financial collapse Post It note saying all the £££ has gone Prescott punching a member of the public. Torys take us out of EU but only after4 years of messing about, time wasting and arguments

Public trust......ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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what has colour or race got to do with it?
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Where does it say you have to be white to be British?

I've always found non white british to be nicer people, harder working AND no chips on their shoulders about empire, wars and sovereignty!
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You expose yourself as being far more right wing and racist on the English forums than you do on the Welsh ones, is there any particular reason for that ?
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This morning the minister in charge of the DWP Thérèse Coffey, tried to blame our COVID-19 deaths on fat and old people....

After generations of blaming every problem in the UK on immigrants, single mums, unions, workshy scroungers, the EU, socialists, teachers etc etc etc who will Tories blame and scapegoat next?!??????
You can't blame the government for Covid?
And yes, unhealthy people DO NOT help themselves.
A prominent Dr wrote this a while ago now.
People just don't know when to stop eating or drinking cola.
You need only look around when you go into town.
How many are very overweight|?
I'm guessing you are and it's a sensitive area for you?
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You can blame the govt for failing to even read the pandemic planning report they commissioned, learning from other nations and locking down earlier, sending sick people from hospitals to care homes without testing, repeatedly acting against advice etc etc

And as a decent human being, I won't even dignify your petty unfounded slurs with a reply, except to say that I pity you for stooping so low??
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What a truly vile comment.
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Let's face it, who in their right mind trusts Bozo the Clown right now.
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Interesting

The Scottish govt broke the law in its investigation of salmond

The SNP under sturgeon broke the law.

Salmond was acquitted of assault on more than 10 women who accused him.
Scottish court said the women were lying.

Salmond says the current SNP leader lied to Scottish Parliament.
The current SNP leader says the previous SNP leader is lying.
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25/01/2021 15:28:19 2 0
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Who cares
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Seem like ship barrel of apple situation in Scottish politics
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Boris was too busy doing Jennifer and coveting Dave's Job in his second term to do his own job, and he blew £53m on a vanity-project, non-existent bridge.
Should we do him for Wilful Sloth, Dishonesty in Public Office *and* Abuse of Public Funds {with you as an accomplice}?
25/01/2021 15:22:44 2 5
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the pm will NOT and I repeat NOT allow Scotland
to have another Independence Referendum !
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If the Scots leave and mass immigration will take place to live and work in England .. We have the money - they don't . Can't wait to send them back Removed
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God, you are a bore, Tom. A buttock-clinchingly dull bore. Witless, tedious, bovine, crass vessel of unimaginative stupidity.
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No - you 'leave' and we'll move in. OK ?
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You don't like the Scots, do you ?
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Sturgeon is the problem, a nationalist who makes no secret of her loathing of the English. It would be interesting to have a hard border with Scotland.
Nikki is far less of a nationalist than Salmond, hence six years o f'Now is not he time..'

Salmond absolutely hates the English.

I think he had an English girlfriend at University and she told him to sling his hook because he was such a rabid nationalist.
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25/01/2021 16:07:52 4 5
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Well it started with your predecessor Gordon! War-criminal Blair who opened up the immigration flood-gates and destroyed much of the UK's unique character. You inherited the poisoned chalice, but didn't do much better. A fire-sale of the UK's gold stocks being one example. You're retired now. Go and find a nice quiet hobby, and stop behaving like the 'wise older statesman' you think you are.
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Apparently SNP leader is corrupt

Just saying

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You're obviously very worried about Scottish independence?
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Apparently, FACTUALLY, nothing of the sort has been proven. So, unfortunately for you, this is not only defamatory but likely libellous, too.

Just saying

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Well it takes one to know one, but then again i think it is obvious to all just how bad the tories have been at governing
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In the last Scottish Referendum in 2014,Putin interfered in favour of Scottish Independence! In the EU Referendum in 2016,Putin interfered in favour of Leave! Still nothing has been done to protect us from Russian & other foreign interference! Boris Johnsonov, Theresa Mayova, Jeremy Corbynov & most of the media including the BBC appear to look the other way/pretend this interference doesn't exist
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Are you a 12 year old ?
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Gordon Brown, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Remember "The Vow"? Seems to be a common strategy to wheel out GB to spout utter nonsense and waffle when faced with the prospect of Scottish independence. No credibility.
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25/01/2021 19:15:30 4 4
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Dress it how you like -

having a serial Liar as 'pm' is ruinous.
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What do you expect, when the key parties are run by nutters. Excellent Orators of zero substance or value, jam tomorrow for all, just sound bites for the moment. Scotland will be independent because the poison of the little cranky has not been countered at all. Brexit is a fiasco, loved up by voters of little if any intellect, just suck up with avid love the speeches of wally’s. Removed
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breakfast and 3 pints at spoons with the other experts when it opens ?
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Jeez, you really love those negative stereotypes, don't you? What a vile, bigoted post.
25/01/2021 21:50:25 3 1
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Except they use proportional representation and have attempted to engage with the Johnson [especially after the opinion poll] and their views and proposals have never even been discussed in Westminster] ... yet it’s the SNP’s fault eh?
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'The model'... Well, you aren't very clear if you mean in UK GEs (FPTP) or in Scottish Assembly elections. As latter are done by PR, your claim would be fundamentally wrong. System encourages coalition building & SNP was the largest party. Assembly reflects the popular vote.
I'm sick to the back teeth of this separatist stuff, anyone with a bit of sense knows that an independent Scotland would be a basket case. If SNP politicians can guarantee me that we won't end up a poor nation then show how, if they are true to their word I promise I won't sue their ass off if everything goes so wrong. If you are wrong Nicola, its the guillotine, seems fair?! Removed
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It is not up to the First Minister - she has to persuade over 50% of Scots voters to support it......
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A basket case? Please provide your economic proof. Bear in mind Scotland contributes c.5% to UK GDP but is just 8% of UK pop. Punches above its' weight?

Sue, eh? Maybe those businesses crippled by Brexit & by Johnson's Covid response, should sue. Maybe the families of those that died in Care Homes should sue.

To paraphrase Brexiteers, if the vote is for Indy, like it, lump it or leave.
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UK decided to vote for decline.
Political and economic.
Scotland in the EU, poaching the best of UK's industry and banking, will do well.
rUK, not so much.
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Agree on every point.
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British Nationalist? What on earth are you whittering about? NI is up to the people of the island of Ireland. Yes, I would be sad, on a personal basis, if Scot or Wales left the Union. But I understand some of the sentiment, especially in Scotland. But, as UK is still a democracy, I get to express my view on it. And it certainly isn't nationalist in any way.
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No, dear, not illegal. A vote is not binding in perpetuity. If it was, we'd have one GE in a generation. People are allowed to change their minds, especially if circumstances fundamentally alter as they have in this case. In 2014, Stay Together made EU membership a cornerstone of their campaign. Stay in UK to stay in EU, they said. That is no longer the case. In fact, the very opposite is true.
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Yeah, have another referendum, we all love them so much. Only it should be UK-wide. There are many English would be happy to say goodbye to the Scots.

But there has to be a law to ensure that Scots Separatists do not go all 'Trumpy' about the result if they lose (again).

Democracy, it's just great when it delivers what you want isn't it?

Ask any American or SNP drone.
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What gives you the right to talk to people like you do?
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No, dear, not illegal. A vote is not binding in perpetuity. If it was, we'd have one GE in a generation. People are allowed to change their minds, especially if circumstances fundamentally alter as they have in this case. In 2014, Stay Together made EU membership a cornerstone of their campaign. Stay in UK to stay in EU, they said. That is no longer the case. In fact, the very opposite is true.
I’m new to these HYS’s, you seem to have a lot to say on every HYS, you also seem to be as happy as a pig in * when there’s a whiff of the breakup of the U.K., now I can only put this to, 1, you’re either a supporter of the SNP! 2. You’re a citizen of the EU!! or 3. you’re just an everyday troll!!! Removed
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Your opinions of my views & location are as irrelevant as they are incorrect. But I do love the fact that you are keen to suppress free speech. You've self-identified as a troll. So thank you for your honesty.
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Your opinions of my views & location are as irrelevant as they are incorrect. But I do love the fact that you are keen to suppress free speech. You've self-identified as a troll. So thank you for your honesty.
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No, dear, you won't. But have fun trying. And, if you think for one second that I believe you are new to HYS, then you are in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
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Yes, is Cwtsh Cymreig not a welsh name
trust in how uk is run has broken down
with a lying adulterer in charge?
no s$$$t gordon
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English Tory supracist nationalism has given us nothing but destruction....it's only just begun. UK needs to split. It is a rotten far right fiefdom for the establishment english Tory millionaires.
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Wales needs autonomy and to take responsibility for it's future - I just don't agree that being controlled by a supremacist english nationalism will be good for Wales's future, based on past evidence.
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Except any english one ;)
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So Mr Brown, while many mums struggle to put a fish finger on the plates of their kids, we're expected to listen to your stupidity. The people today are more to concerned about staying alive!
You, and other experts would do well to take note of Jeremy Clarkson's poignant words about the here and now on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire when setting a 2nd safety net..."First we have to get you there."
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Gordon Prudence Brown, the man that raided pensions and ruined private pension schemes and sold off our gold stocks at a stupidly low price.....and he talks about public trust.
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Ah yes.Gormless Gordon.His irresponsible spending was the sole cause of austerity, he bankrupted the UK will before the financial crisis which was minor by comparison.His bribery of the public sector unions and members was the most expensive act of corruption in British history,and who reneged on Labour's promise of a referendum, their threshold for which was met when he signed the Lisbon treaty.
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Brown and Labour are finished in Scotland. But he will never understand that.

They even get less MPs than the Evil Tories.

And Scots really don't like the Evil Tories.... or England's Trump Bozo... or the English Dog's Brexit.

He is irrelevant here.
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No body dragged anyone.. it was the demcratic procedure & decision of the UK
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Gordon Brown 1999 sold 56% of the U.K.’s gold at under $300, gold is now $1852, sad but true!