Gordon Brown: Trust has broken down in way UK is run
25/01/2021 | news | politics | 4,134
The UK's nations and regions are being treated as if they were "invisible", the former PM warns.
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25/01/2021 10:40:59 190 62
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Our devolution is a half-baked attempt to cover up our failing Westminster system, in which most MPs come from London law firms or banks, have no prior knowledge of their local constituency and vote in the Whip’s interests, not their constituency’s interests.

For devolution to have worked it needed to go much further and be applied more regionally, plus bringing in a PR voting system nationally.
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25/01/2021 10:50:51 316 75
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Totally agree but as a Scottish person living in Scotland please do bear in mind that the silent majority here despise the SNP and their overwhelming levels of incompetence and hate filled policies. Please see beyond the twitter soundbites and believe that the majority, as in 2014, want nothing to do with them, the problem is that the opposition parties here are even worse, unfortunately.
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25/01/2021 11:05:39 13 12
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Well they might be better than the bunch of town councillors in holyrood
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25/01/2021 11:10:00 12 2
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Think the main failure of devolution was not offering England it's own Parliament. Think this has caused resentment in England and no mainstream party has picked this up
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25/01/2021 11:35:17 0 2
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our devolution created a coalition of sectarian murderers

you were lucky

democracy here is now hamstrung by the seemingly perpetual need for the ill-fated pair to share power regardless of their actual share of the democratic vote
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25/01/2021 11:56:16 2 1
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Doesn't Sturgeon come from a law firm ... just wish she would go back to one.
25/01/2021 13:01:27 0 0
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We had a vote on changing the U.K. voting system and guess what, we voted to keep first past the post.
In Wales under a flawed voting system we have had a Labour Gov for the last 20 years. We are bottom of the U.K. nations in just about every measure from education to NHS waiting lists. So changing the voting system is far from the answer
25/01/2021 13:24:22 1 1
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Can you tell me when ms sturgeon set foot in her constituency worst area in Scotland
25/01/2021 14:13:27 0 0
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Your local constituency party must hold themselves responsible for the selection of candidates, and the voters are responsible for accepting them at the ballot box!
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25/01/2021 10:41:04 7 5
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I think it might be too little TOO LATE
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25/01/2021 10:41:16 18 29
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And what did you do about this while selling of the UKs gold reserves Gordon?
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25/01/2021 10:43:18 9 9
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Here we go, first of the DM brigade, can you tell me how that money was invested and what those assets are worth now relative to gold
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25/01/2021 10:43:43 3 5
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The gold reserves are still in the same place, this is too complex for you no point in trying to explain it.
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25/01/2021 10:47:53 6 3
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Gordon Brown saved the banks from the chaos.
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25/01/2021 10:41:18 29 22
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INB4 the usual predictable, shrieking, hysterical comment section about how Labour and Brown "destroyed" Britain, and the Tories are like the bEsT pArTy EVAH.
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25/01/2021 10:46:40 14 13
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Oh yeah, all the countries problems are due to labour even though they havent been in power in near 10 years...
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25/01/2021 10:55:12 5 6
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Don't forget selling the Gold, the Gammonz love the GOLD fairy tale
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25/01/2021 10:41:18 130 98
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Let's face it, who in their right mind trusts Bozo the Clown right now.
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25/01/2021 10:54:11 85 35
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Unfortunately, when the opposition use insults instead of arguments the party in power will remain in power.
25/01/2021 13:21:29 3 4
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Let's face it, who listens to comments like yours? You have nothing are to say.
25/01/2021 13:24:27 4 3
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exactly a upper-class etonian twit with a self believe of entailment he cannot even run England right
I trust our government, oh yes, so does the majority of the public who voted in last GE, you moron!!! Removed
25/01/2021 15:22:15 3 0
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No one, but then who trusts Starmer?
26/01/2021 09:54:32 0 0
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Many things of us and why not you can no t trust anybodyelse.He continues to do precisely what what he says he will do. Fully trustworthy.
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25/01/2021 10:41:21 15 27
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Brown an expert on "Broken Trust".

How is his gold trading business going now?
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25/01/2021 10:46:04 8 2
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That chestnut didn't take long.........................there'll be another hundred coming along shortly................
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25/01/2021 10:41:25 16 19
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There are very few things that I would take the advice on Gordon Brown on. And this isn't one of them.
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25/01/2021 10:41:25 44 35
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He's absolutely right and yet staggeringly people are still supporting this Government, beyond belief........
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25/01/2021 10:47:44 22 37
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I don’t think they are. Let’s see what happens at the next election. Starmer is looking better and better all the time
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25/01/2021 10:41:30 156 58
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At last a topic that Gordon is qualified to talk about - Failure
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25/01/2021 10:45:56 58 70
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Well it takes one to know one, but then again i think it is obvious to all just how bad the tories have been at governing
25/01/2021 13:19:14 2 0
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100,000 dead is a failure.
25/01/2021 14:15:02 2 0
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He was my MP and was a total failure for Kirkcaldy. His idea of it being a great day for the local economy was announcing a few more jobs on zero hours contracts at a local call centre. I've no time for the SNP either, but Labour deserved it when they got kicked out for a second time in Kirkcaldy. Labour's Lesley Laird who replaced Roger Mullin of the SNP was a bit too fond of Jeremy Corbyn.
25/01/2021 20:34:33 0 1
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the stranglers sang , golden brown i dont know if it was in hommage to selling off the gold on the cheap
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25/01/2021 10:41:34 211 42
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Pity he didn’t do more when his lot were in power
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25/01/2021 10:48:31 253 104
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He did a pretty good job of bankrunpting the country without the help of brexit and a pandemic.
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25/01/2021 11:24:07 17 7
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He couldn't because your greedy 'establishment' chums demonised socialism to a terrifying degree. The UK has been Toryfied.
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25/01/2021 11:39:29 5 2
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like what Ian?

he did what most politicians that accept and support first-past the post and the primacy of the Westminster Parliament

they kept their heads down on devolution and nudged it along at a snails pace
they did the same on Europe
which was fine until the wars and the credit crunch caught up with them

Peace in NI was their big domestic triumph
but they didnt evolve the process further
25/01/2021 22:18:04 0 1
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Agree. Why is he now making noises every few months. Boring!
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25/01/2021 10:41:46 32 31
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That rich criticism coming from the most incompetent man to ever hold the position of Chancellor, and plunged the country into more debt than even a global pandemic can manage.
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25/01/2021 10:44:14 26 9
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You are wrong. It was private debt, not government debt that was the problem. The banks overstretched themselves. Ask any economist.
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25/01/2021 10:45:20 8 1
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He may well be incompetent . But it was the bankers that caused the crash with their dodgy sub prime mortgage schemes.
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25/01/2021 10:53:13 6 1
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And if he hadn't borrowed money to bail out the banks as a result of the global financial crash started by US sub-prime mortgage's what do you think would have happened? Bailing out the banks in 2008 unfortunately wasn't an option it was a necessity
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25/01/2021 10:41:13 35 13
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Don't agree with his politics but he's not wrong........................
25/01/2021 13:22:40 1 2
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Eh?
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25/01/2021 10:41:30 363 73
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Give the English a vote on whether Scotland should leave - that should help their cause.
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25/01/2021 10:46:38 170 202
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you had one you voted tory unionism
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25/01/2021 10:47:46 53 40
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You jest, but it's the English's faul the UK is breaking up and its all down to how they treated NI and Scotland over Brexit. Little england is on its way and soon all there will be is england
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25/01/2021 10:52:07 47 34
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The majority of Scottish people don't want to leave, please don't think that the minority nutters, as in many areas just now, are speaking for all of us. They only speak for themselves and couldn't care less about anyone else's opinion.
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25/01/2021 10:54:18 30 27
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Colonialist claptrap.
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25/01/2021 10:59:20 9 5
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Who is going to give the English that vote?
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25/01/2021 11:01:47 37 23
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Do Scottish people really want to leave? The welsh voted for devolution 25 years ago...only 50% of pop turned out to vote and 'they' won by 51% to 49% suggesting that only 25% of people voted in favour. What a joke! devolution has done nothing for wales except line the pockets of more politicians. We need a strong UK govt to stop this nonsense and unite the UK!!!
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25/01/2021 11:03:04 4 2
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Hmmmm. I'm not sure, maybe we could all sit down in a committee with me as the chair and discuss the broader issues as stake such as Social Justice and Diversity Awareness. I already have some excellent ideas for a campaign and a huge leaflet drive as well. Just let me check on social media first to see if it is trending before I commit myself.
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25/01/2021 11:16:56 10 5
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I'll be def voting to say Goodbye to Scotland and Gordon Brown
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25/01/2021 12:05:08 0 4
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who cares we're in Dubai
25/01/2021 12:11:40 3 4
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Why not just say no to another independence referendum and keep the UK united for another 30-40 years.

Ignore the SNP. Not everyone living in Scotland wants independence and I'm certainly one of those.

When they talk about 'the people of Scotland' they are not speaking on my behalf and I'm in the company of many like minded Scots.
25/01/2021 12:24:19 6 1
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You are a perfect illustration of the issue Scots have in a nutshell. English people arrogantly thinking they own the UK.
25/01/2021 12:55:41 3 0
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I bet most English would vote yes unless your so colonial and still actually think your in an empire
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25/01/2021 13:44:12 0 0
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Not from me it wouldn't. I'm English and live in Scotland
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25/01/2021 14:03:24 1 0
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The Majority said NO in 2014 and they can’t except it.
25/01/2021 14:34:02 0 0
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And take your unelected ‘Lords’ with you.
25/01/2021 14:34:42 0 0
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Yes, if they want
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25/01/2021 10:42:01 79 27
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Brown, part of the Labour party that introduced devolution leading to duplication and petty politics.
25/01/2021 13:41:49 21 38
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Devolution has been a huge success here in Scotland. We’ve been able to invest heavily in health, transport, renewables and education. Our government were able to protect from some austerity measures like the bedroom tax. Still waiting on Gordon Brown delivering on his ‘infamous’ vow. We’d like Holyrood to get access to more than the current 60% of Scottish raised taxes it currently gets.
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25/01/2021 10:42:01 186 65
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I live in England , please little Scotlander Nicola, have the independence vote and set the people of England free from your perpetual whinging
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25/01/2021 10:46:09 60 36
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england will cause the break away much to their delight
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25/01/2021 10:50:16 12 18
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It would appear to me as an Englander that we are "Little England", isolating ourselves from the largest trading bloc in the world, and it is the Scots that wish to be outward looking and be part of Europe. How is Boris 1 going with his perpetual lies?
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25/01/2021 10:51:49 15 6
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Well no, please... because that potentially leaves all us normal people that live up here stuck with her with no filter! I wish she'd eff off.

Think about the poor Scottish people that can't stand the sight of her.
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25/01/2021 10:52:41 13 10
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Hello from Scotland, we want rid of her too, she's a nightmare.
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25/01/2021 10:54:44 0 2
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It's whingeing.
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25/01/2021 10:55:28 7 12
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Please stay in England,under the clutches of the very incompetent Boris,worst PM in living memory
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25/01/2021 12:05:25 3 3
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We need Scotland to remain in the UK to give more balance to the Westminster-centric UK.

Yorkshire has much more in common with Scotland than it does with London.

The real independence that's needed is for everywhere outside of London to break away from London.
25/01/2021 12:40:32 0 2
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If you want an independence referendum and a vote in favour, you can help by campaigning for it in England! Haven't you noticed that it is your Westminster parliament, set up with a permanent English majority, which opposes Scotland's independence?
25/01/2021 13:14:12 0 0
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as I know her I will pass that on little scotlander more like little Englanders
25/01/2021 14:59:14 0 0
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Please lobby your local government for this.
25/01/2021 17:30:08 1 0
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With pleasure. Just remember to be polite to us when seeking water,gas,electricity,clean energy, etc. You know, the basics of a civilised society.
25/01/2021 20:27:39 0 0
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weve had the oil money ,cheerio
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25/01/2021 10:42:26 130 17
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Despite all the bluster in the polls, the issues that would arise are still as insurmountable as they are numerous.

From the obvious currency to the deficit, debt and who’ll get custody over Lorraine Kelly.
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25/01/2021 10:43:32 73 3
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I can't have her wednesdays
nfn
25/01/2021 12:21:36 2 0
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Have her back. Toadying tool.
25/01/2021 14:51:39 2 0
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They can have Lorraine Kelly. She'll be after Queen Nics job soon enough
25/01/2021 14:58:39 0 3
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None of these are real issues. How many counties use the Euro? We can all still use the Pound without any bother. Share the deficit and debt per capita, and you give Lorraine the choice? Problem solved.
25/01/2021 16:48:11 2 0
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And Nicky Campbell.
25/01/2021 17:31:27 2 2
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Funny guy. What debt? It belongs to the UK.
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25/01/2021 10:42:33 349 121
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Fon'r pander to nationalists Gordon. In 2014 the SNP campaigned for independence in the certain knowledge it would result in Scotland leaving the EU. The 2016 UK referendum delivered that certainty for the SNP. So there's no reason for indyref2. We can't have one every 7 yrs to accomadate the flip flopping whims of
Nicola the 1st of Scotland.
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25/01/2021 10:44:13 47 21
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"Don't pander"
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25/01/2021 10:53:59 11 19
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Your opening statement is rubbish.
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sam
25/01/2021 10:59:18 19 19
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Gordon is no Nationalist. He is pandering to a useless Westminster government to ward off a coming Scottish independence. He is doing the dirty work for a government bent on undermining Scotland.
Sturgeon may be a flip flopping First Minister to you but she is a 100 times sharper than a spluttering Buffon and his inept cabinet.
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25/01/2021 11:02:27 28 6
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If Scotland became independent how financially secure would it be?
Though the SNP want to rejoin the EU there is no automatic entry and it would have to meet strict criteria.
They cannot take the pound underwritten by the Bank of England so they would need their own.
No Barnet formula extras.
A division of UK assets if per capita would also include division of debt.

These are important questions.
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25/01/2021 11:07:18 8 14
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If Nicola doesn't like the way we run things in the UK maybe she should move to Switzerland where she can have a referendum everyday of the week.
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25/01/2021 11:13:40 11 8
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So democracy only when it suits your agenda, in other words.

How about: "We can't have a general election every four years to suit the flip-flopping whims of the people of the UK".

Oh, and Nicola Sturgeon is hardly flip-flopping over Scottish independence. I really don't think she's changed her mind about it!
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25/01/2021 11:13:40 18 11
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I think you'll find that Scotland was promised that if they voted against Independence they would remain in the EU. This is why Scots don't trust the Conservatives
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25/01/2021 11:15:59 7 6
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Sorry, utter rubbish.
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25/01/2021 11:32:59 5 5
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Utter nonsdense. The Unionist parties argued collectively that the only way Scotland was assured of remaining in the EEC was to reject Independence. That was a lie and everyone with an open mind understands that. Look what has happened since. Our future lies within Europe and England will be free to become isolationist as it appears to desire.
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25/01/2021 11:55:57 7 4
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Where in heavens name did you get that idea from? The Scottish NATIONAL Party, not nationalists, campaigned for remaining in the EU. Two years later in the EU referendum, the majority of Scots voted to remain in the EU, and are now being dragged out against their will by the English parliament. Do try to get your facts right.
25/01/2021 13:09:48 2 1
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Scottish independence is a useful distraction from the absolute mess the SNP are making of Scotland...
25/01/2021 14:17:52 1 0
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Your opening statement is an untruth that your later argument relies upon. Typical Union campaigner tactic. Tell the truth not Fake News.
25/01/2021 14:35:18 1 1
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BREXIT is the game changer.
25/01/2021 14:58:26 0 0
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I wonder if she'll also be Nicola the Last.
25/01/2021 17:40:18 0 0
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Funny how the Northern Irish can have a referendum every seven (7) years under the 1998 Belfast Agreement Annex A 1, 2 and 3. But Scotland's democratic and human rights can be usurped and blocked with out a by your leave? "so much for democracy"!
25/01/2021 19:34:07 0 0
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Grow up.......roll on May when the SNP will AGAIN win the election only this time with a clear majority......now back in your box.
26/01/2021 10:37:10 0 0
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How was it certain in 2014 the uk would leave the eu

The eu referendum took place in 2016

The people of Scotland should have the choice to have a referendum whenever they democratically decide

Who gave uk permission for the brexit vote - Westminster not Brussels.
So why should Westminster dictate to the people of Scotland
26/01/2021 14:26:59 0 0
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In 2014 Scotland was promised the UK will stay in the EU - the promise was broken, everything changed and Scotland should be able to say what it thinks about that.
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25/01/2021 10:42:12 44 28
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man who sold uk gold at lowest price,says something else that nobody cares about.
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25/01/2021 10:47:12 24 21
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Brown did a great job on saving the UK economy caused by global capitalist risk takers. I recall he was criticised by the Tory opposition for not relaxing regulations on the banking/financial services industry. The Conservative supporters can be hypocritical at times.
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25/01/2021 10:47:56 10 5
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I dont mean to be personal, but your comment is at best very very silly, what has selling gold at market prices I would got to do with anything, as regards what he is saying in this article. Whilst I dont always agree with him, he is nothing if not intelligent and considered in statements he makes, he would manage the current crisis far better then the current PM does. Also clearly you care btw
25/01/2021 13:15:35 1 0
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no more boom and bust.... nuff said.
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25/01/2021 10:42:49 191 61
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He's absolutely right. Devolution has caused anger and division driven by socialist fanatic governments in Wales and Scotland. The UK is completely broken, and yes people are very peed off indeed.
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25/01/2021 10:44:53 133 201
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No the real reason is the arrogance of Tory Governments to the other nations and not listening to concerns.
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25/01/2021 10:45:26 16 23
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no way i love devolution that keeps the nasty tories out of my country of scotland
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25/01/2021 10:57:24 7 7
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No, he's not correct at all - I think you mean 'he's absolutely alt-right' (are you Steve Bannon, by chance?)
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25/01/2021 11:01:13 16 14
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Unlike Tory right wing fanaticism driven by rich billionaires?.
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25/01/2021 11:07:49 13 3
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I remember when Tony Blair, with Gordon Brown sitting next to him, said devolution would strengthen the Union.
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25/01/2021 11:35:43 1 1
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Devolution happened for Blair to make history, regardless. Devolution also happened at the time that industry shared around the Union like mining, steel, ship building, keeping interaction among the nations by unions, conferences, bosses, all ended and limited vision politicians put nothing in the place of the unifying industries.
25/01/2021 15:06:54 2 0
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no they are not, the majority are just sick of the whinnig Scots
25/01/2021 15:34:27 0 0
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And it was while Brown was in Government that it started!
25/01/2021 16:40:00 0 0
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Thats the trouble with Socialism in general. They think they know the answers, but its just idealistic, student politics at best. The comrades always have a sack full of chips on their shoulders and want to bash anyone who has more money that they do. Drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator as that the fairest way. Pathetic.
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25/01/2021 10:43:04 218 82
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I don't know how to say this any more clearly Gordon....but 55,000,000 English people really don't care what the Scots do any more.
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25/01/2021 10:44:43 117 105
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you never did
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25/01/2021 10:45:03 12 4
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It's possibly a lot less than that brains
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25/01/2021 10:46:30 42 7
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Speak for yourself. Many millions of us cherish our Union of four nations.
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25/01/2021 10:46:34 7 24
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Yes, we have pretty much always known that.
We don't want to care about you and your parliament either. We want our own.
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25/01/2021 10:51:32 27 19
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The best way to heal the UK is for those unpleasant Scot Nats to be removed from office, then we can all be friends together again. (Thanks for highlighting that, Gordy Broon!)
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Good. Let us be free.
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25/01/2021 11:00:13 11 8
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Has the 55Million elected you to represent their opinion Wrongopinion?
I think not.
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sam
25/01/2021 11:01:27 0 1
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Never will in your wildest dreams
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25/01/2021 11:09:46 2 2
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Your name tells its own story Wrongopinion.

Some people might be happy to propagate distrust and hate between people, most people do not.
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25/01/2021 11:20:00 3 1
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Just hope they go and take Gordon Brown with them
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25/01/2021 11:21:05 1 3
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You do not speak for me, never have, never will
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25/01/2021 11:22:34 1 2
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Keep on saying that please. It really helps our cause ??????????????
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25/01/2021 11:35:58 1 1
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no shi....
25/01/2021 13:07:00 0 0
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Many of us do care. Scottish politics can seem perverse to people in England, but when you say that England does not care about Scotland, you are playing into the Nationlists' hands.
25/01/2021 13:11:08 0 0
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Gordon brown terrible P.M more English than the English
25/01/2021 13:57:21 1 0
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Except we would dearly like to stop subsidising them, let them stands on there own two feet - they would soon fall over without the dreaded English propping them up!
25/01/2021 14:56:03 0 0
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Great. We want Independence. If you don't care that suits us.
25/01/2021 15:55:56 0 0
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Not true. We are better together - honest!
26/01/2021 10:41:56 0 0
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Many will when they see what Scotland will get as THEIR share of uk assets
Start with
Fishing, oil, gas and nuclear weapons
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25/01/2021 10:41:16 18 29
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And what did you do about this while selling of the UKs gold reserves Gordon?
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25/01/2021 10:43:18 9 9
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Here we go, first of the DM brigade, can you tell me how that money was invested and what those assets are worth now relative to gold
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Despite all the bluster in the polls, the issues that would arise are still as insurmountable as they are numerous.

From the obvious currency to the deficit, debt and who’ll get custody over Lorraine Kelly.
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25/01/2021 10:43:32 73 3
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I can't have her wednesdays
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25/01/2021 11:24:55 2 1
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I'm free on Wednesdays
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25/01/2021 10:43:33 19 15
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Enough pandering to extreme nationalism.
They lost the vote of a lifetime, it's now time to clear up the omnishambles of a mess they've made of Scotland.
We could also do with draining the loch - the corruption and cover-up has gone far enough.
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25/01/2021 10:51:59 7 8
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In 2014 nobody foresaw the absolutely material change in the relationship between Westminster and the rest of the UK. Don't give me the once in a lifetime opportunity argument. It's dead on its feet. My own lifetime cannot be compared now with 2014. It is so fundamentally different and much more insecure under this grotesque Westminster government. Who'd have thought it? You?
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25/01/2021 11:23:23 0 1
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Absolutely agreed, we have been pandering down to Bozo,Farage & all the filthy racists & fascists in this country for a decade or more, time to drain the swamp of Tories.
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25/01/2021 10:41:16 18 29
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And what did you do about this while selling of the UKs gold reserves Gordon?
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25/01/2021 10:43:43 3 5
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The gold reserves are still in the same place, this is too complex for you no point in trying to explain it.
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25/01/2021 10:43:56 132 26
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It's not directly mentioned in the article but the first step towards rectifying this imbalance is to create an English parliament so we have parity with the other nations. Further devolution (i.e. to regions) can happen after that.
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25/01/2021 11:20:10 72 77
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Scotland is not a "region". That' s part of the problem with the English mentality
25/01/2021 14:57:04 0 0
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Go for it. Split us into the original 4 nations and we can then all govern separately.
25/01/2021 19:20:28 0 0
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How kind. England has bled the rest of the so called UK for centuries.
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25/01/2021 10:44:07 14 13
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Here come the horde of yoons who want "independence" from the EU but not for Scotland or any of the home nations.
Hypocrisy at its purest
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25/01/2021 10:46:23 8 4
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So wrong....and so vain.

We don't care any more.

Many hope the Scots get their wish.

And Mark Drakeford....how's that working out for you Wales ??
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25/01/2021 10:47:05 3 5
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Independence.... just to leap back into the EU superstate. Some independence.
??
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25/01/2021 10:42:33 349 121
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Fon'r pander to nationalists Gordon. In 2014 the SNP campaigned for independence in the certain knowledge it would result in Scotland leaving the EU. The 2016 UK referendum delivered that certainty for the SNP. So there's no reason for indyref2. We can't have one every 7 yrs to accomadate the flip flopping whims of
Nicola the 1st of Scotland.
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25/01/2021 10:44:13 47 21
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"Don't pander"
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25/01/2021 10:41:46 32 31
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That rich criticism coming from the most incompetent man to ever hold the position of Chancellor, and plunged the country into more debt than even a global pandemic can manage.
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25/01/2021 10:44:14 26 9
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You are wrong. It was private debt, not government debt that was the problem. The banks overstretched themselves. Ask any economist.
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25/01/2021 10:44:36 109 56
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Why is it that former PM’s can’t let go?

Perhaps GB should be focused on i) the SNP and why they cannot respect a democratic referendum process held in 2014 which is dividing the UK, and ii) why NS is being so evasive over matters.

As opposed to using words like “failed state”. Hypocritical given the failed economy GB left behind!
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25/01/2021 11:19:34 45 48
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GB saved economy after the financial meltdown. It's about time you looked beyond the British press He hasn't trebled the U.K. debt in 10 years. Get with.
25/01/2021 15:00:45 0 2
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They have been respecting the result of the 2014 referendum. But it's now time for another one. Simples.
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25/01/2021 10:43:04 218 82
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I don't know how to say this any more clearly Gordon....but 55,000,000 English people really don't care what the Scots do any more.
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25/01/2021 10:44:43 117 105
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you never did
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Rob
25/01/2021 11:06:10 1 2
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True!
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25/01/2021 11:46:34 2 1
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Yes we did, but now no we don't as we are fed up with SNP blaming the English for everything.
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25/01/2021 11:48:07 0 2
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Claptrap rubbish!
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25/01/2021 12:19:07 0 0
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And we never will.
25/01/2021 13:08:52 0 0
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Rubbish. Some of us in England have many links with Scotland. You are full of prejudice.
25/01/2021 15:06:09 0 0
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Not true, when Labour was Scottish we were very interested in what the Scots did, they ruled us, now Labour is the London Dinner party set, we couldn't give a toss.
25/01/2021 15:06:21 0 0
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yep, just like the Scots forever seem to hate on the English, I wish the English had a vote on getting rid of the Scots...
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25/01/2021 10:44:43 25 8
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Scots and the Welsh screamed for devolution.

How's that going for you ?
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25/01/2021 11:10:49 35 10
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Biggest mistake ever was creating devolved assemblies. Micro managing, desperate for more powers, trying to justify their existence.
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25/01/2021 11:17:45 3 2
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We actually get the government we voted for and an opposition to call it to account. How'should the first donkey past the post working for you?
25/01/2021 12:16:23 3 0
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No...No they didn't.
67% of the Welsh didn't vote, or voted no to devolution.

51% couldn't even be bothered to go out to vote!

"screamed"?
I think you've been drinking with Adam Price, dear.
25/01/2021 12:38:27 0 0
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,well, it was only about 50 of us Welsh, so not that well.
But growing, growing.
25/01/2021 15:57:58 0 0
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Actually the Welsh vote for devolution was very unenthusiastic - a fraction over 50% voted, and a fraction over 50% of those who voted asked for devolution.
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25/01/2021 10:44:49 24 17
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Johnson has been a disaster on so many levels.
His Brexit deal is a nightmare for British exporters and importers, his handling of the virus has resulted in the worst rate of deaths in the world and now his contempt for other nations means he will break up the United Kingdom.
The man is a menace to us all.
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25/01/2021 11:19:01 5 5
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The amount of down votes for your very true assessment shows the problem for this country, to many idiots that still support the worst government we have ever had & still believe in that cranky religion called Brexit.
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25/01/2021 10:44:50 34 15
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I'd forgotten all about Gordon Brown.

Ruined my morning.
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25/01/2021 10:42:49 191 61
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He's absolutely right. Devolution has caused anger and division driven by socialist fanatic governments in Wales and Scotland. The UK is completely broken, and yes people are very peed off indeed.
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25/01/2021 10:44:53 133 201
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No the real reason is the arrogance of Tory Governments to the other nations and not listening to concerns.
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25/01/2021 11:10:11 2 6
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People didn't like Blair, or May and Johnson. The Labour wannabe's in between were a joke. What do people like you want?
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25/01/2021 11:12:59 18 12
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Why should 5 million Scots influence some 60 million in the rest of the UK? Scotland has the population of Greater Manchester and needs to understand that.
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25/01/2021 11:13:12 8 4
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Not listening to concerns? Why do you think Labour got routed in the last election?
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25/01/2021 11:59:25 3 7
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Nations? What stupid snowflake twaddle. Yes, there are local identities just like different counties and regions but that's all.
25/01/2021 13:10:55 4 1
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What concerns do you mean? You have your own governments and more generous public funding than England gets.

It is the Nats who are arrogant.
25/01/2021 13:12:49 1 4
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yes indeed tories believe they are our masters and still have a colonial attitude towards the celtic nations
25/01/2021 13:26:53 4 1
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Why then does Scotland get more money per head than England from the Barnett formula
25/01/2021 14:10:52 0 2
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The Conservative and UNIONIST party. You couldn't make it up??????
25/01/2021 15:08:29 2 1
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for goodness sake, the same "other nations" that voted for English students to pay for uni whilst they paid nothing, or a fraction of the English fees you mean? Personally I hope the Scots do get another referendum and leave....
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25/01/2021 10:44:53 5 7
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Shut up Gorden, your as bad as the rest of them
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25/01/2021 10:49:31 2 4
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You're
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25/01/2021 10:44:58 2 1
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Such a divisive country and two more divisive issues probably not going to help.

Interesting he’s advising Michael gove. Men in grey gathering to help heal this country
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25/01/2021 10:44:59 305 83
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I saw Nicola at the weekend talking about the need for democracy & Scottish people must have a vote to have their say. She should chock on the words because the Scottish people had their say more than once & said NO! She chooses to ignore this and tries to claims its democratic! I am sure if they ever vote yes she will say the people have spoken, there is no need for another vote! Hypocrite!!!
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25/01/2021 10:48:39 164 252
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The independence vote was pre Brexit, it’s a whole new ball game now.
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25/01/2021 10:48:08 34 15
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thats why niccy loves the eu.keep voting till we get the result we want.
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25/01/2021 11:42:08 10 5
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Hi Graham,

"Scottish people had their say more than once & said NO!"

I'm confused why doesn't anyone replace Nicola Sturgeon as first minister if she keeps losing all these elections?

If the "silent majority of Scottish people" who "hate the SNP" would just turn out to vote occasionally she'd have to go away wouldn't she?
She's just the same as all the Remainers and all the others that are fanatical about a cause. You get to keep having votes until the desired result is achieved. Don't get the result you want, then just claim the public didn't understand ( condescending ? ) or it's not democratic. Jimmy Krankie represents the worst kind of politician. Removed
25/01/2021 13:04:43 2 3
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Nicola is no hypocrite and you say we hade our say in 2014 well apart from the unionist parties a lot of those votes for no came from bigots they are not the Scottish people just some and they do not speak for the whole of scotland
25/01/2021 14:22:04 2 0
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You voted in a GE in 2017 again in 2019 and will again in 2024. The ones in 2017 and 2019 were held totally at the behest of the then PM despite the existence of the fixed Parliament Act. Votes on how their country should be governed should be up to the people not the politicians. If the people want a referendum they should have it.
25/01/2021 14:54:21 1 0
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So you have never changed your mind due to a change in your circumstance?
25/01/2021 15:13:11 0 0
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You are right but Scottish people all over U.K were denied a vote. So much for her Democracy chant. Wish she'd just shut up. From a Scotswoman
25/01/2021 17:00:47 0 0
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In 2014 we were told the only way to guarantee remaining in the EU was to vote No.
25/01/2021 17:42:20 0 0
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IT IS NOT A DEMOCRACY IF YOU CAN'T CHANGE YOUR MIND!
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25/01/2021 10:43:04 218 82
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I don't know how to say this any more clearly Gordon....but 55,000,000 English people really don't care what the Scots do any more.
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25/01/2021 10:45:03 12 4
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It's possibly a lot less than that brains
Considering how the devolved administrations have used the powers they have, I am not convinced that this would help.

Queen Nic and the Nats despise the English. Nothing will change that.
Removed
The best change is the removal of Wee Jimmie Krankie and her unpleasant Scot Nats (what are 'Nats' in German?) Removed
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25/01/2021 11:16:54 34 8
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As a Scot let me point out that the vast majority here do not hate the English. What we do hate, as do a substantial number of our friends in England, is Tory rule at Westminster.
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25/01/2021 11:18:55 19 14
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You mean a bit like the English despise Europe?

Why should the Scots not want to take back control of their nation and reclaim sovereignty from the faceless Westminster establishment and the UK superstate?
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25/01/2021 11:19:26 23 15
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They currently use their powers to do the opposite of whatever Westminster do through deliberate contrarianism, or provide Westminster-funded SNP vote bribes like free uni tuition or free prescriptions. Would be interesting to see how many of those they were able to keep once independent.
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25/01/2021 11:55:15 10 21
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The problem is that Queen Nic has brain-washed the Scots into hating England and the English too. Disgraceful woman - all will come out in the Salmond case. She's just a power crazy woman manipulating the Scottish population - without tax payers in England subsidising Scotland the country couldn't survive.
25/01/2021 12:15:04 6 5
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No they don't actually. They just want a bigger power base. Unfortunately we (yes I'm Scottish) are bankrupt but they are good at brainwashing.

I'll stick with a United Kingdom thank you very much.
25/01/2021 12:39:19 3 2
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Let the Scot's go, we can see how they can run their economy on their main export "anti English bigotry "
25/01/2021 12:51:28 4 0
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Read a Scottish HYS and you'll see how much the English hate the Scots.
25/01/2021 13:00:31 0 0
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as I know so called queen nic no she does not hate the English wholesale just the ones who think they are superior and treat us like a colony she believes and we are a country that should run it,s own show as a so called nat I am not fully anti English just the colonial type who think they are our masters we are not bigots
25/01/2021 13:38:22 1 0
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To quote Boris Johnson when he was editor of the Spectator in which he okayed a poem in the Spectator which said the 'Scottish people are a verminous race who should be exterminated.' So I think the despising is coming the other way.
25/01/2021 14:21:34 0 0
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If this was about making peoples lives better by breaking up one of the most succesful unions in history then I'd say go for it. But what improvement do people think is going to happen?
No, this about ideologues whipping up discontent to get votes by targeting nationalists and remainers and selling the dream of El Dorado in the EU. It doesn't exist, unless you dream about picking fruit in Romania.
25/01/2021 14:29:50 0 0
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Popular myth -Indy=hate English- I'm pro-Indy, as rich in English relatives as Scots, fond of them all and their circles, certainly no hatred...doesn't mean my country has same needs as their's and, if it is a union at all, needs must be listened to, respected; which they haven't been for most of my 55yrs, certainly from Callaghan onwards, often by unionist Scots (who I do think v little of)
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25/01/2021 14:52:05 0 0
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The issue here is however the Scottish think Nikki Sturgeon is their savior(largely because she's been brainwashing them every evening for the last year). Unfortunately the pro Scotts brigade believe their financials will be backed by the Bank of England. Really?
25/01/2021 14:53:21 0 0
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We don't despise the "English". We just want to be Independent from rule by them.
25/01/2021 15:09:59 0 0
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Anti everything, numptie N. S
I'm English and live in Scotland. I have always found my hosts, including SNP supporters to be friendly and welcoming. Where is the evidence that they despice us?
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25/01/2021 10:45:17 15 15
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Public trust was broken when Gordon Brown became Prime Minister
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25/01/2021 10:47:19 5 8
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Absolutely spot on. Everyone in politics has had an uphill battle to restore public trust after Brown had gone.
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25/01/2021 10:51:28 3 2
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And it certainly hasn't been repaired by the hopeless, hapless, hollowed out, tory trio of Cameron, May and Bojo the clown PM.
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25/01/2021 10:45:18 468 164
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To be honest if Scotland, Wales, Northern Island, Cornwall or even Woolwich High Street want a Referendum let them have one. Just as long as they understand that Independence doesn't come with funding from Westminster. I doubt whether any of them could manage on their own anyway.
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25/01/2021 10:49:07 153 10
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Especially Woolwich
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25/01/2021 10:49:15 82 38
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They wont have to pay for the gigantic extravagance of English vanity projects like HS2 either!
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25/01/2021 10:50:52 53 12
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So what if London and the South East vote to leave and rejoin the EU? Not much money left for the rest then, is there.
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25/01/2021 10:55:17 46 17
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Any statement that begins "to be honest..." is neither honest nor worth reading.
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25/01/2021 11:06:07 41 23
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Independence is the best way forward for all of us.
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25/01/2021 11:06:51 51 18
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Please let us back under British rule - said no-one ever...
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25/01/2021 11:09:14 67 17
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Going by your logic no small country can survive, apparently Ireland, Norway, Denmark, Netherlands, Swededn, Finland, Belgium are all basket cases.
It must be like being on an acid trip to think no country can survive outside England.
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25/01/2021 11:10:05 2 1
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Woolwich Wanderers have just got Özil off their books. So may have a bit of money!
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25/01/2021 11:12:03 28 29
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But of course Scotland could survive independently. Mr Touchy Feely said. You only have to value oil at $10million a barrel and they break even.
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25/01/2021 11:12:15 16 5
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And so long as Westminster realise that they don't get to pick the newly independent nations clean of resources and taxes any more.
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25/01/2021 11:13:20 14 7
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Aye right pal! Where's you're evidence that they couldn't manage on their own, or it that just pure conjecture on your part. Or maybe you have a crystal ball.
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25/01/2021 11:14:42 27 8
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I think the issues caused by England recently far outweigh the benefits of the funding you provide.

You're not the saviours of us that you think you are. Plus im pretty sure England would owe NI for the troubles if we turned round and sued for reparations
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25/01/2021 11:17:01 20 7
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I suspect they will all know that going it alone means just that. Unlike the bigot Brexiteers who seem to think the EU is out to get them, despite giving them exactly what they asked for.
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25/01/2021 11:18:13 23 6
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England can't manage on its own outside the EU either, yet here we are.
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25/01/2021 11:27:49 5 15
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I think 66m people will want independence from the current dictatorship... once we all get out of the open prison.
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25/01/2021 11:29:13 9 7
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Youracting as if other countries that are like Wales/Scotland that hasn't got a structure like the UK can survive.The colinising erawill endwith Wales independence andthrive like therest of the old colonised countries specially ifthe English goverment don'tplay funny buggers. if Wales and other regions are such a strain on the Englishfinances why would the goverment work sohard to keep the union.
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25/01/2021 11:29:30 7 7
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I totally agree and the Nationalist Parties need to tell their supporters this and also there will be borders too. Also instant entrance to the EU will not happen, as they will have to apply.
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25/01/2021 11:29:42 7 3
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How about we English having a referendum on independence? We are the only country never to have been asked, as a nation, about devolution, never mind independence. A Business for Scotland poll in 2020 showed that 49% of people in England want to leave the UK, this despite all debate about English home rule being quashed by media and politicians.
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25/01/2021 11:50:02 10 3
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125 countries in the world that are smaller than Scotland.....including some well known names. They seem to manage fine without funding from Westminster.
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25/01/2021 11:57:42 5 2
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yes, well done for explaining that independence means we won't be sending our money to Westminster. Your brilliance is amazing.
25/01/2021 12:07:27 3 4
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Divide and conquer?

Never fails eh?

Strength in unity wins too you know.

Keep the UK safe from separatists and our citizens will be an awful lot safer and better looked after for that.

And definitely do not embrace the Tory Government's London centric policies.
25/01/2021 12:13:55 6 1
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The question is can England manage on their own. Perhaps the North would prefer to do without the Tories.
25/01/2021 12:17:07 4 1
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Dougal's opinion is clearly naïve and I think designed to be inflammatory.
25/01/2021 12:21:28 7 5
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Scotland will roar. We don't need oil revenue anymore, have it. The future is renewable energy and Scotland are world leaders already. We also have pretty much all the water anyone could ever use. Which will cost England a pretty penny when they have to start buying power and water. Once we're back in the EU, we can continue our £BILLIONS of trade with our European family.
25/01/2021 12:29:01 4 2
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Brexit was funded by westminster but it was 'won' by a very smallmajority, adnit's results are s*****g everyone
25/01/2021 12:33:03 0 1
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That a great comment
25/01/2021 12:46:29 5 0
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What will Birmingham, and the surrounding areas do without welsh water?
25/01/2021 12:54:02 2 0
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oh yes we could manage it on our own and do not want funding from Westminster that is point of independence
25/01/2021 13:02:34 2 1
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A classical abusive response. Abusive relationships tend to be based on keeping your partner weak and then pointing out that they cannot leave you since there too weak on their own.
25/01/2021 13:08:48 2 1
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And Westminster has to then understand that once independent, those countries won't continue to fund Westminster.
25/01/2021 13:09:39 0 0
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To be honest, after everything England took from Scotland and Ireland over the centuries, it's only been paying some of that back.
25/01/2021 13:10:02 2 0
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That's what they said about every single country that used to be a colony of Britain. Like Australia, Canada, Ireland, the American states, India. They all survived.
25/01/2021 13:22:15 2 2
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So who are you,,? Be careful what you wish for, England could look a very poor place, America and EU will support NI and Scotland,.. New American government have no love for England,. You may not have many friends, suppose Farage could go on a trade deal to banana land,,
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25/01/2021 10:41:46 32 31
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That rich criticism coming from the most incompetent man to ever hold the position of Chancellor, and plunged the country into more debt than even a global pandemic can manage.
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25/01/2021 10:45:20 8 1
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He may well be incompetent . But it was the bankers that caused the crash with their dodgy sub prime mortgage schemes.
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25/01/2021 10:42:49 191 61
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He's absolutely right. Devolution has caused anger and division driven by socialist fanatic governments in Wales and Scotland. The UK is completely broken, and yes people are very peed off indeed.
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25/01/2021 10:45:26 16 23
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no way i love devolution that keeps the nasty tories out of my country of scotland
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25/01/2021 11:07:20 12 11
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Just a shame the SNP are useless
25/01/2021 16:08:11 0 0
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Apart from paying your bills of course.... which the English are getting very fed up of doing.
25/01/2021 16:42:46 0 0
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Love Scotland been so many times full of history and extremely inventive people BUT thanks to your comments I will never return. Before you leave please settle your account with Westminster!
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25/01/2021 10:45:49 91 44
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He's right of course. You cannot have a situation where two of the four countries voted to remain in the EU but were outvoted essentially by England. PR is also critical - if you live in a Tory/Labour stronghold then your vote simply is simply irrelevant.

This country has to change or it breaks apart - my money's on the latter.
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25/01/2021 11:07:22 61 25
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This is the crux of the issue, in my opinion.

That Scots were "told" by leaders of the WM parties that the only way to remain in the EU was to remain in the Union undoubtedly swayed voters in the 2014 referendum.

.... then England and Wales took Scotland (and Northern Ireland) out of the EU, against their wishes, after the 2016 referendum.
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25/01/2021 11:19:47 8 16
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Steve clearly you cant even understand the conditions you were voting under you were NOT voting as individual nations you WERE voting as a individual Citizen of the UK ( so you think your vote is more important than any other citizen ) now if you cant even understand the conditions one begs the Question should you be allowed to vote at all
25/01/2021 14:18:11 0 0
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Has anyone devised a method of PR that is fair to all?
25/01/2021 14:57:57 1 5
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The act of Union existed before the EU, It still exist, and just to highlight things, the Scottish givernment at the time was very happy to sign it to rid themselves of the debt they had. We left the EU over a year ago so we are back to pre-EU days but hen again the Bravehearts don't understand that
25/01/2021 16:49:30 0 0
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I agree with you about the voting system; and, sadly, I agree with where you've put your money.
25/01/2021 19:32:00 0 0
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Think you'll find 3 out of 4 countries
26/01/2021 08:23:30 0 0
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The logical conclusion to your argument is partition - all the people who voted remain have 42% of the UK and Leavers have the other 52%- bit like India and Pakistan in the 1940's.
26/01/2021 09:52:47 0 0
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The UK voted to leave the EU, and we did. Nothing else matters.
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25/01/2021 10:41:30 156 58
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At last a topic that Gordon is qualified to talk about - Failure
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25/01/2021 10:45:56 58 70
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Well it takes one to know one, but then again i think it is obvious to all just how bad the tories have been at governing
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25/01/2021 11:23:53 6 4
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The Finacial Crisis in the UK was led by Bank of Scotland and Royal Bank of Scotland - remember who was Chancellor/Prime Minister at that time? - Clue he was Scottish
25/01/2021 13:13:26 2 0
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Compared with who? The SNP?
25/01/2021 15:10:55 1 3
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Tories have saved this country time after time...when labour make a complete mess of things....and then there was that time we had brown for a prime minister, what a terrific failure he was, maybe he should stand for election in Scotland, oh wait, you wouldn't vote for him - even in Scotland!!!
gorden is a like john moron like jilted john Removed
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25/01/2021 10:46:01 80 53
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Trust between government and the electorate is damaged.

This is what happens when we have a prime minister who does not have a reputation for always telling the truth
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25/01/2021 10:47:38 30 41
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And you have?
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25/01/2021 11:18:58 3 6
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What trust? Labour used a scorched Earth policy in my area for years because we aren't London and it was easier to blame the Tories than actually do anything.
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25/01/2021 11:40:07 3 2
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and a First Minister who never tells the truth......£500 to all NHS and Care Workers, before Xmas!!!! but to be fair, she never said WHICH Xmas.
25/01/2021 13:22:18 1 0
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How wise you are. I wish I had such a deep understanding.
25/01/2021 13:32:18 4 0
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Nicola even forgets meetings but to you that does not matter
25/01/2021 15:23:44 1 0
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Hmm, so who was in power when that happened? Blair or The Grey Man? Maybe it was both, followed by The Brown Man.
25/01/2021 22:52:38 1 0
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ALL politicians are professionally economical with the truth. Only someone not very streetwise would think otherwise.
26/01/2021 09:55:14 0 0
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Reputations be are often fakse. I find him refreshingly honest.
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25/01/2021 10:42:01 186 65
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I live in England , please little Scotlander Nicola, have the independence vote and set the people of England free from your perpetual whinging
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25/01/2021 10:46:09 60 36
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england will cause the break away much to their delight
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25/01/2021 11:48:12 4 3
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No the SNP will and their constant blaming the English to cover up their mistakes.
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25/01/2021 11:49:55 4 4
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I take it they will be delighted without the covid financial help, Westminster cash hand outs and the pound?
25/01/2021 13:12:48 1 0
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Do you know how to use capital letters?
25/01/2021 13:14:48 0 0
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yes I would be delighted
25/01/2021 15:13:28 0 0
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Then the fun starts, I doubt we English are going to man any hard border to please the EU, and as for the smuggling that will go on ,the North of England will become very rich on the proceeds.
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25/01/2021 10:44:07 14 13
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Here come the horde of yoons who want "independence" from the EU but not for Scotland or any of the home nations.
Hypocrisy at its purest
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25/01/2021 10:46:23 8 4
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So wrong....and so vain.

We don't care any more.

Many hope the Scots get their wish.

And Mark Drakeford....how's that working out for you Wales ??
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25/01/2021 10:46:27 2 4
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This Tory government is abusive. But what is labour offering? The same policies with a serious suit and haircut. What’s the point?
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25/01/2021 10:52:57 1 2
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“This Tory government is abusive. But what is labour offering?”

Labour is offering to have lucrative careers at public expense in permanent opposition, helping Death Johnson by asking him pre-arranged questions to keep the pretence up

That was the point of the antisemitism slander. To drive the socialists out of the party so they will not interfere by trying to win an election
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25/01/2021 10:43:04 218 82
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I don't know how to say this any more clearly Gordon....but 55,000,000 English people really don't care what the Scots do any more.
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25/01/2021 10:46:30 42 7
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Speak for yourself. Many millions of us cherish our Union of four nations.
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25/01/2021 10:43:04 218 82
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I don't know how to say this any more clearly Gordon....but 55,000,000 English people really don't care what the Scots do any more.
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25/01/2021 10:46:34 7 24
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Yes, we have pretty much always known that.
We don't want to care about you and your parliament either. We want our own.
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25/01/2021 10:52:28 6 5
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You have your own.
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25/01/2021 10:41:30 363 73
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Give the English a vote on whether Scotland should leave - that should help their cause.
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25/01/2021 10:46:38 170 202
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you had one you voted tory unionism
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25/01/2021 11:36:19 5 2
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We English have never had a referendum on English independence. If we'd had an indyref in 2014 we'd have voted to leave the UK because all the threats made to Scotland about being kicked out of the EU would have been music to English ears.
876
25/01/2021 11:52:06 1 2
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Unionism is good for all (even trade unionism if there's a need).
25/01/2021 12:46:20 2 4
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Still smarting over the Brexit vote I gather,
Its done. Get over it
25/01/2021 13:03:03 0 2
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What are you talking about?
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25/01/2021 10:41:18 29 22
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INB4 the usual predictable, shrieking, hysterical comment section about how Labour and Brown "destroyed" Britain, and the Tories are like the bEsT pArTy EVAH.
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25/01/2021 10:46:40 14 13
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Oh yeah, all the countries problems are due to labour even though they havent been in power in near 10 years...
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25/01/2021 10:52:20 4 4
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Yeah, that's how bad they really were!

:-)
25/01/2021 16:08:53 0 0
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What? You mean it wasn't Thatcher?!
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25/01/2021 10:46:46 13 4
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An independent Scotland - you know, the way England wanted to be independent from the EU.
Then north of Ireland to vote to separate from England, then hopefully becoming part of a united island of Ireland.
55
25/01/2021 10:46:57 5 7
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Polls ? who has ever responded to a poll other than halfwits or layabouts ?
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25/01/2021 10:56:47 1 2
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I would say exactly the same thing if the poll didn’t agree with my views.
56
25/01/2021 10:46:57 3 3
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It was his labour government that carried the issue we have now. Devolution is a one way street and we'll have a hard border between England and Scotland one day in the not too distant future.
57
25/01/2021 10:46:58 7 12
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Don’t worry GB. When NS the First of Scotland is called out; she will not be around anymore!
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25/01/2021 10:44:09 7 10
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Browne sunk into mediocrity leaving this country in a mess. Remember "There's no cash left?" Now he thinks he knows what's best for the ;Union.' Let him run his homeland and keep his snout out of our trough!
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25/01/2021 10:52:21 2 2
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And there is more now? The current lot have spend all the money and more. how much of the spending has been trousered by tory donors but no, labour are bad.
134
25/01/2021 10:53:47 0 2
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fyi - Brown is a nonentity in Scotland, but on this matter he has raised an important issue
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25/01/2021 10:41:21 15 27
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Brown an expert on "Broken Trust".

How is his gold trading business going now?
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25/01/2021 10:46:04 8 2
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That chestnut didn't take long.........................there'll be another hundred coming along shortly................
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25/01/2021 10:55:42 2 1
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Brown is a man who: "Couldn't run a whelk stall in a brewery" so what do you expect?
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25/01/2021 10:47:04 22 10
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Brown and Labour are finished in Scotland. But he will never understand that.

They even get less MPs than the Evil Tories.

And Scots really don't like the Evil Tories.... or England's Trump Bozo... or the English Dog's Brexit.

He is irrelevant here.
25/01/2021 15:53:05 1 1
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as far as we English are concerned, anything where you are is irrelevant, you want out of the UK, then ask us English to join in the vote.
Removed
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25/01/2021 10:47:04 0 3
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Word!

Soliy what if you didn't want Brexit or Independence from the UK? What's your slaggy wee name then?
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25/01/2021 11:00:47 0 1
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Down voters am I not allowed to want to be part of the UK and European Union? Down votes to you.

I can see how the democracy of an independent Scotland would go... your way or the highway.
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25/01/2021 10:44:07 14 13
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Here come the horde of yoons who want "independence" from the EU but not for Scotland or any of the home nations.
Hypocrisy at its purest
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25/01/2021 10:47:05 3 5
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Independence.... just to leap back into the EU superstate. Some independence.
??
63
25/01/2021 10:47:06 3 14
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As the chair of our local Social Justice Awareness Group and the Vegan Social Rights Group, I often find I have to educate people in such matters and Gordon Brown is essentially correct.

Too much money has been wasted on furlough, infrastructure and services and not enough spent on poster campaigns and leaflet distribution depicting matters that are trending on Social Media.
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25/01/2021 10:47:06 37 33
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The Scots voted to stay in a UK that was in the EU. When the English voted out, dragging the Scots with them, that moved the goalposts. Now their preference is for the EU over the UK.

Well done Conservative and Unionist Party - you've just blown the Union.
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25/01/2021 10:51:56 34 21
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Err no. Ultimately Brexit has no impact on the renewed calls for independence. Sturgeon is trying to deflect attention from her role in the Salmond affair and is hoping that any findings there will be forgiven if she delivers.
117
25/01/2021 10:52:31 8 7
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Forgive an obvious correction but it was the 'British' that voted and the result was 'Leave'.
120
25/01/2021 10:50:40 7 5
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eu.will welcome the scots.what with their $150 barrel oil.oh.last thing eu wants is more takers.
25/01/2021 12:09:26 1 1
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I sick and tried of hearing how the English dragged the Scots of out of the EU. May I remind you Brexit was a UK vote and the Scots and people in NI voted for Brexit too, or does not suit your nationalistic attitude. Also Wales voted to leave and many English voted to stay in the EU too. Well I have friends in Scotland who say they do not want to be part of the EU.
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25/01/2021 10:42:12 44 28
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man who sold uk gold at lowest price,says something else that nobody cares about.
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25/01/2021 10:47:12 24 21
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Brown did a great job on saving the UK economy caused by global capitalist risk takers. I recall he was criticised by the Tory opposition for not relaxing regulations on the banking/financial services industry. The Conservative supporters can be hypocritical at times.
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25/01/2021 11:04:39 3 1
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darling did a great job saving the uk economy.and not a conservative voter.
552
25/01/2021 11:24:32 1 2
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The Finacial Crisis in the UK was led by Bank of Scotland and Royal Bank of Scotland - remember who was Chancellor/Prime Minister at that time? - Clue he
was Scottish
25/01/2021 15:34:10 1 0
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No he didn't, it was his fiddling around with who was responsible for keeping the financial world in order that was the issue, but then doing that stopped the massive outcry at his destruction of the Private Pensions of the country.
40
25/01/2021 10:45:17 15 15
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Public trust was broken when Gordon Brown became Prime Minister
66
25/01/2021 10:47:19 5 8
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Absolutely spot on. Everyone in politics has had an uphill battle to restore public trust after Brown had gone.
67
25/01/2021 10:47:21 7 18
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It's high time that the BBC stopped publishing the views of the "has been's" and people in former roles, these people are no longer experts and have had their day. What we really want to hear are constructive criticisms and positive news, not the total negativity we hear from the BBC.
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25/01/2021 10:50:39 2 3
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Agreed. Ex Prime Minister's like Brown, Blair and Major need to shut up.
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25/01/2021 10:47:33 20 11
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And all the Conned can do to defend the abysmal performance of their failed party is to criticise Labour leadership from over 10 years ago..

They really are clutching at straw are they, LOL.
25/01/2021 16:11:42 1 0
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The 'failed party' won the election with an 80 seat majority, so they will be around for a while yet. Personally, I think that they will replace Johnson by Sunak by 2024, and win the next election with a new leader.
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MVP
25/01/2021 10:46:01 80 53
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Trust between government and the electorate is damaged.

This is what happens when we have a prime minister who does not have a reputation for always telling the truth
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25/01/2021 10:47:38 30 41
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And you have?
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25/01/2021 11:01:43 3 6
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Scotland have a First Minister not a Prime Minister, try putting down the DM and educating yourself, otherwise you look like a simpleton
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25/01/2021 10:41:25 44 35
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He's absolutely right and yet staggeringly people are still supporting this Government, beyond belief........
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25/01/2021 10:47:44 22 37
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I don’t think they are. Let’s see what happens at the next election. Starmer is looking better and better all the time
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Rob
25/01/2021 11:08:29 2 4
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Agreed, he is looking better at present; but he will only be elected if he commits the Labour Party to rejoining the EU at the earliest opportunity.
25/01/2021 16:03:01 1 0
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Starmer won`t survive as leader,unions will see to that.
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25/01/2021 10:41:30 363 73
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Give the English a vote on whether Scotland should leave - that should help their cause.
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25/01/2021 10:47:46 53 40
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You jest, but it's the English's faul the UK is breaking up and its all down to how they treated NI and Scotland over Brexit. Little england is on its way and soon all there will be is england
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25/01/2021 10:55:12 48 26
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Scotland and NI were treated the same as the rest of the UK!! There was one UK referendum, which resulted in one result, can't recall it being a devolved referendum!
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25/01/2021 10:53:17 4 3
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What jest?
573
25/01/2021 11:26:17 9 10
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What do you mean "how they treated NI and Scotland over Brexit." The vote was undertaken by the whole of the UK. and the collective vote was to leave the EU. Are you saying that the vote should be discounted because parts of the UK, Scotland and NI did not want to leave?.
Also you say Little England. You will find it is bigger than Scotland and NI, and generates more wealth than those two do.
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25/01/2021 11:35:05 8 7
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May I remind you Wales voted to leave the EU too and treated Scotland and NI over Brexit, well Scots and people in NI also voted to leave the EU too, or do you choose to ignore that, as it does not fit your nationalist attitude. Little Scotland is smaller than little England and England will survive perfectly well on it's own. Will Scotland?
there we 57 out of 59 Scot Nat MPs in 2015 before the Brexit vote......silly boy! Removed
25/01/2021 14:02:02 1 3
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The problem with your statement is that most people in England recognise that if the UK broke up, England's standing would be very little diminished. The fact is, (and perhaps the problem with the union), England alone is 85% of the population of the UK therefore the only real affect of UK splitting is the optics - in practical terms, England would still be top 10 wealthiest nation in the world.
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25/01/2021 10:47:52 15 3
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Conservatives and Labour are irrelevant in Scotland at best and a massive help to the independence cause at worst
920
25/01/2021 11:57:00 7 2
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100% agree - the lack of a quality opposition gives the SNP an easy run.

Scottish Labour/Tories should only stand 1 candidate between them in each constituency in May... the SNP are convinced that a majority is a thumbs up for independence... well if they want a de facto referendum via May's vote, let's make it a fair vote (instead of splitting the No vote between 2 candidates).
25/01/2021 15:44:54 0 0
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Labour are irrelevant in vast swathes of England now too, and the Tories only got what they got on the back of Boris promising 'to get Brexit done' & Farage losing his nerve in the election so not fighting in Tory seats.
25/01/2021 16:00:12 0 0
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The Conservatives are the only remotely effective opposition in Scotland to the SNP.
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25/01/2021 10:41:16 18 29
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And what did you do about this while selling of the UKs gold reserves Gordon?
73
25/01/2021 10:47:53 6 3
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Gordon Brown saved the banks from the chaos.
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25/01/2021 10:42:12 44 28
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man who sold uk gold at lowest price,says something else that nobody cares about.
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25/01/2021 10:47:56 10 5
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I dont mean to be personal, but your comment is at best very very silly, what has selling gold at market prices I would got to do with anything, as regards what he is saying in this article. Whilst I dont always agree with him, he is nothing if not intelligent and considered in statements he makes, he would manage the current crisis far better then the current PM does. Also clearly you care btw
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25/01/2021 10:57:24 3 6
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hi,mike.check out the price he sold the gold at,and price now.who was he helping out?bit like biden in the states.49 years a poiltician,and now he can fix everything.makes you wonder why he and all the worlds politicians didnt do it ages ago.fed up of ex(generally failed)leaders blair,obama etc etc muddying already murky waters.
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25/01/2021 10:48:09 133 88
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Trust was broken by Bojo when he was prepared to wreck the Union and the British economy in pursuit of his selfish ambition to become PM. Hs lies have led to the current divisions in the UK.
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25/01/2021 11:01:52 63 13
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Johnson takes a lot of blame, but it was actually Cameron who started the current Tory tactic of painting the Scots as an enemy within, and Labour as likely pawns of the SNP were they to lead a hung parliament, to convince their supporters to get out the vote.
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25/01/2021 11:08:34 1 4
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Regions taking more power away from Westminster may hasten the break up of the UK.

It will become very clear that London and the S.East are subsidising the rest of the UK. They will resent this and withdraw support.
25/01/2021 13:18:52 0 1
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Yawn.
25/01/2021 13:20:38 0 1
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57 0f 59 SNP MPs in 2015 NOTHING to do with Johnson
25/01/2021 15:12:19 0 0
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No, I wanted brexit because I couldn't stand Brussels robbing the UK blind...
25/01/2021 15:51:25 0 0
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So all the UK's divisions were caused by Johnson? Not by Salmond and Sturgeon? Not by Sinn Fein? Not by Plaid Cymru?
25/01/2021 16:16:04 0 0
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What nonsense. The divisions in the UK have already existed but the SNP ramps up the inherent small-mindedness of the Scottish . Boris Johnson is one of the most effective PMs we've had in years.
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25/01/2021 10:41:34 211 42
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Pity he didn’t do more when his lot were in power
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25/01/2021 10:48:31 253 104
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He did a pretty good job of bankrunpting the country without the help of brexit and a pandemic.
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25/01/2021 10:54:33 34 14
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Remind me of national debt when he left and say now, lolz
It was a global recession, stop believing right wing propaganda you idiot. Removed
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25/01/2021 11:10:47 37 14
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Global financial crash can't be blamed on the Labour party.

Also they did manage to keep our treble A status, which has now been downgraded twice in the last ten years thanks to the Tory party.
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25/01/2021 11:12:51 33 11
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Not true. There was a global economic crash, but perhaps you were at school so don't remember it?
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25/01/2021 11:22:33 17 21
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The Finacial Crisis in the UK was led by Bank of Scotland and Royal Bank of Scotland - remember who was Chancellor/Prime Minister at that time? - Clue he was Scottish
25/01/2021 13:35:27 9 2
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I think you will find that the Financial crisis of 2008 was caused in the USA and UK debt in relation to GDP was around the European average. If he hadn't maxed out the credit card in response, there would have been total economic wipeout in the uk. Even the Tories acknowledge this. That said, both parties were equally negligent in regulating the financial sector since the 80s.
25/01/2021 14:59:07 4 0
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So exactly what is Johnson doing now WITH the help of the pandemic and brexit? When the cost of this clown's actions and inactions are finally counted it will dwarf anything you can lay at the door of any previous PM.
25/01/2021 15:04:31 0 5
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agree completely, he was a complete failure in every sense!
Foz
25/01/2021 16:32:28 1 0
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He didn't need Brexit or Covid. He had Tory Bankers to break the country for him.
25/01/2021 17:28:01 2 0
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That was the banks. And no. The country was never bankrupt.
25/01/2021 20:34:01 1 0
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no-The Tories wrecked Britain (far more borrowing and debt given to the private sector)-the Neo Lib tories have made Conservativism in the UK all but extinct with mass migration and 300,000 homes a year on Green space. The Tories are a spend and tax, private sector corrupted party and deserve to be at the wheel when their 1 world free market failure crashes (UK workers now competing with slaves).
25/01/2021 20:44:01 3 0
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This is utter nonsense. If anything, Brown's approach to the global crash has been applauded worldwide. You have fallen hook line and sinker for Tory propaganda that the UK crashed because of Labour. This is a lie on a Trump scale. In fact growth was at 3% in 2010 as we came out of recession. And the Tory govt. cuts caused a second recession from which we have not recovered. 10 years of cuts.
26/01/2021 08:10:28 3 0
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I see you are still spouting the fake narrative that was put out by Cameron et al in 2009 that Brown was effectively the precipitator of the WORLD 2008 Banking crisis.

It simply isn't true though is it?
26/01/2021 08:57:06 2 0
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I think you will find that was the Banks. Then the Tories ensured nobody went to prison over it.
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25/01/2021 10:44:59 305 83
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I saw Nicola at the weekend talking about the need for democracy & Scottish people must have a vote to have their say. She should chock on the words because the Scottish people had their say more than once & said NO! She chooses to ignore this and tries to claims its democratic! I am sure if they ever vote yes she will say the people have spoken, there is no need for another vote! Hypocrite!!!
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25/01/2021 10:48:39 164 252
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The independence vote was pre Brexit, it’s a whole new ball game now.
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DSM
25/01/2021 11:10:22 20 10
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Odd, should the SNP have won the 2016 referendum Scotland was guaranteed in leaving the EU - so why a new ball-game now?
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25/01/2021 11:10:43 27 5
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Indeed it is...the EU has shown us how these negotiations go so how many Scots fancy losing the currency, a hard border between England and Scotland, the prospect of doing a trade deal with us.....
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25/01/2021 11:13:52 26 11
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No! Had Scotland voted for independence in 2014 then Scotland would have left the EU so Brexit changes nothing.
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25/01/2021 11:48:01 6 3
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So if Leave lost again, which ball game would have to change for Indy 3 or Indy 4 and 5. Seems Nicola only wants a referendum to count if she wins. What about Indy62, rejoin the UK for 28th time?
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25/01/2021 12:04:27 11 4
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But the Scots will not be allowed into EU as Spain will object due to Catalonia. They will also have to wait as they are poor
Ray
25/01/2021 12:14:28 5 3
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Events change politics almost daily - there are always reasons to say "new game new game" - Once in a generation means 25 years at least otherwise we go round in circles forever.
25/01/2021 12:21:19 4 3
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Rubbish. If you had won in 2016 you would have been out of the EU anyway.
25/01/2021 14:48:25 1 0
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In what way. Queen Nicky won't have the EU to hug onto for cash and an Independant Scotand certainly won't be elidible for many years by which time it'll be bankrupt. of course thats assuming Spain will allow Scotland in given its regional independance problems.
25/01/2021 14:59:04 1 0
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Every day is a 'whole new ballgame'
25/01/2021 15:03:59 0 0
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yes, Scotland, please leave, please go...
25/01/2021 15:42:45 0 0
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No, it isn't.
If Brexit had not happened the SNP would still be creating grievances and trying to break away. Same with the Welsh Nats and Sinn Fein.
25/01/2021 17:02:59 0 0
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It isn't a new "ball game" at all. The first ball game related to Scotland's membership of the UK (membership of such includes accepting the primacy of the UK Parliament and the powers they have, for example, to withdraw the UK from the EU). The one Nicola is proposing now relates to Scotland's membership of the UK - it's exactly the same ball game.
25/01/2021 19:05:15 0 0
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Why?
25/01/2021 20:31:19 0 0
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It’s not in 2014 they knew that they would be leaving the EU if they voted yes!
25/01/2021 20:33:56 0 0
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Rubbish
ian
26/01/2021 14:06:39 0 0
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who knows in ten yrs we could be back in the EU , pretending the indy vote didnt count knowing it was a once in a life time decision. get over it an adapt use the benefits gained for the benefit of the Scottish people. a vote every 5 yrs is not an option.
26/01/2021 17:12:47 0 0
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No it isn't, both votes would result in leaving the EU, so what's changed?
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MVP
25/01/2021 10:48:53 17 8
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Trust in government is essential if we are going to beat the virus.

Unfortunately there are too many people who are skeptical about what they are being told as they feel they have been mislead in the past

Isn't this time for a government of national unity and a new leader?
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25/01/2021 11:29:58 5 3
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A short English lesson: Lead is a metal. Lead is what leaders do. Led is what past leaders did. Misled is what they did when they didn't tell the truth. Now do you understand?
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25/01/2021 10:48:54 113 40
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Focusing on the message, rather than the messenger, the current Westminster government is so obsessively focused on the bottom right hand corner of England that the rest of the UK is treated like an inconvenient background noise.

The disastrous GB/NI border, no consensus with the devolved nations and English regions on Covid. - Someone needs to shake up Johnson's London-obsessed focus.
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25/01/2021 11:18:36 43 7
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To be fair I’m only an hour out from London and firmly in the bottom right hand corner and the democratic deficit is huge.

There won’t be elections in May due to Covid anyway. Two years of no say whatsoever on local issues and local politicians carrying on like dictators drunk on the removal of the fear of removal.
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25/01/2021 11:40:08 2 3
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No it's the MSM who are focused on the SE of England. If we could sort out the MSM there would be a lot less division in the country.
25/01/2021 13:17:25 3 0
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The British government is sometimes too London-focused, but it is worth pointing out that the South East of England produces more tax revenue that any other region of the UK. In fact, it produces more in tax than Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland put together. Some of this finds its way to those countries through the Barnett formula.
25/01/2021 16:46:37 0 0
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The main thing that needs changing in this nation is FPTP.
25/01/2021 17:00:10 0 0
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let them try to live alone . they will failed
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25/01/2021 10:49:06 3 13
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We all know what scares Mr Brown: without the cohort of left-wing MPs (Labour or more recently SNP) that Scotland always sends to Westminster, we would never again have to endure socialist rule in a sensible English Parliament.
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25/01/2021 10:49:34 3 3
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That's also the reason they are desperate to foist Regional Parliaments onto us, which most people simply don't want. Who on earth wants a parliament for 'The North West'? No, if we are going to have devolution, it is high time for a national parliament for England !
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25/01/2021 10:54:25 0 2
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SNP left wing? I think you need to do your homework pal.
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25/01/2021 10:45:18 468 164
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To be honest if Scotland, Wales, Northern Island, Cornwall or even Woolwich High Street want a Referendum let them have one. Just as long as they understand that Independence doesn't come with funding from Westminster. I doubt whether any of them could manage on their own anyway.
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25/01/2021 10:49:07 153 10
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Especially Woolwich
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25/01/2021 10:49:11 9 8
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Gordon Brown acknowledged his mistake.

He's now pointing out what most of us know. Take the EU ref for example, a thoroughly unwholesome affair, more to do with politicians than the electorate, a gamble, and now, an even further dis-United Kingdom.

Brexit, as we're seeing, sucks!
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25/01/2021 10:45:18 468 164
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To be honest if Scotland, Wales, Northern Island, Cornwall or even Woolwich High Street want a Referendum let them have one. Just as long as they understand that Independence doesn't come with funding from Westminster. I doubt whether any of them could manage on their own anyway.
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25/01/2021 10:49:15 82 38
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They wont have to pay for the gigantic extravagance of English vanity projects like HS2 either!
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25/01/2021 10:54:23 13 9
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Or nukes. We will have to pay our fair share of the track and trace system unfortunately.
25/01/2021 12:59:47 1 3
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A number of European countries have spent considerable amounts in recent years bringing their rail infrastructure up to date. I wonder if their governments were also slated for their extravagant vanity projects.
25/01/2021 13:07:26 0 2
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Since Scotland is bankrupt, full of beggars and benefits seekers, most like your good self a bit short n the IQ department, you can be forgiven for being thick..
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25/01/2021 10:44:59 305 83
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I saw Nicola at the weekend talking about the need for democracy & Scottish people must have a vote to have their say. She should chock on the words because the Scottish people had their say more than once & said NO! She chooses to ignore this and tries to claims its democratic! I am sure if they ever vote yes she will say the people have spoken, there is no need for another vote! Hypocrite!!!
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25/01/2021 10:48:08 34 15
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thats why niccy loves the eu.keep voting till we get the result we want.
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25/01/2021 11:03:57 19 14
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Or, vote on something, then vote again if something material changes which could alter what the people want. (I'm assuming you are talking of the multiple votes in Ireland on the Lisbon Treaty, which happened because the Irish rejected it at first, but significant changes were made causing it to be accepted when the public were asked a second time).
25/01/2021 15:17:17 1 0
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Wasn't that Garage's plan?
Was he wrong roo?
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25/01/2021 10:49:21 20 8
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Picture the scene... There's a 2nd indyref, Scotland votes no again - is Sturgeon just going to accept that? I don't think so. She'll want to ask the question again and again until she gets the answer she wants.
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25/01/2021 11:01:57 7 8
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Much like the Brexit folk for the past 40 years or so...
25/01/2021 13:10:21 0 0
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I think you will find that if the vote went against independance then Ms sturgeon would stand down.
25/01/2021 15:13:49 0 0
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Absolutely.
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25/01/2021 10:49:25 4 5
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Go Federal. Full independent parliament for each "state" with an overall very much slimmed down national government for issues that require national consideration. PR across the board.
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25/01/2021 10:49:25 14 6
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If NS wants an independent Scotland, fine, but the HMT financial support et al stops then too, plus the use of £ Sterling. No transition period; on your own.
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25/01/2021 10:53:21 6 7
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… and what you do is sound like a petulant child.
25/01/2021 15:16:18 0 0
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We don't want any funding but the Pound is "owned" by all 4 nations.
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25/01/2021 10:49:31 11 8
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Who is Gordon Brown? The only person with this name that I recall is an inconsequential, failed Scottish politician who stupidly sold the bulk to the UK's gold over 20 years ago.
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25/01/2021 10:44:53 5 7
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Shut up Gorden, your as bad as the rest of them
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25/01/2021 10:49:31 2 4
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You're
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25/01/2021 10:49:06 3 13
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We all know what scares Mr Brown: without the cohort of left-wing MPs (Labour or more recently SNP) that Scotland always sends to Westminster, we would never again have to endure socialist rule in a sensible English Parliament.
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25/01/2021 10:49:34 3 3
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That's also the reason they are desperate to foist Regional Parliaments onto us, which most people simply don't want. Who on earth wants a parliament for 'The North West'? No, if we are going to have devolution, it is high time for a national parliament for England !
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25/01/2021 10:50:12 1 3
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Polls should be judged with caution and seen in the long term, not a matter of months and responsible leaders of all parts of the United Kingdom should allow their constituents time to assess the success of the most recent political changes - unless that is what they are afraid of.
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25/01/2021 10:50:14 3 3
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Post independence, will we be able to confiscate their ham sandwiches at the border?
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25/01/2021 10:42:01 186 65
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I live in England , please little Scotlander Nicola, have the independence vote and set the people of England free from your perpetual whinging
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25/01/2021 10:50:16 12 18
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It would appear to me as an Englander that we are "Little England", isolating ourselves from the largest trading bloc in the world, and it is the Scots that wish to be outward looking and be part of Europe. How is Boris 1 going with his perpetual lies?
25/01/2021 13:19:12 0 3
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EU isnt the largest trading block in the world....it is now 3rd largest since Britain left. Britian is about to join the largest and do a deal with the 2nd largest.
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25/01/2021 10:50:16 5 10
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What gives him the right to say what the public are thinking? He certainly doesn't speak for me. Given his record of trashing the UK economy and very little else, he'd be better to keep quiet.
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25/01/2021 10:50:18 10 6
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Remind me again how Brexit is getting on with the four times the amount of paperwork at the borders and the thinning supermarket shelves...

Be very, very careful what you wish for...
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25/01/2021 10:52:22 10 1
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I don't know where you shop but the shelves in my local supermarket are very well stocked.
If the shelves are getting thinner, its probably because of the rising price of steel rather than Brexit per se. Oh and BTW, I am very careful about what I wish for. For instance, I wish people like you would put a sock in it. It's a tiresome record you keep playing. Removed
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25/01/2021 10:47:21 7 18
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It's high time that the BBC stopped publishing the views of the "has been's" and people in former roles, these people are no longer experts and have had their day. What we really want to hear are constructive criticisms and positive news, not the total negativity we hear from the BBC.
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25/01/2021 10:50:39 2 3
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Agreed. Ex Prime Minister's like Brown, Blair and Major need to shut up.
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25/01/2021 10:45:18 468 164
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To be honest if Scotland, Wales, Northern Island, Cornwall or even Woolwich High Street want a Referendum let them have one. Just as long as they understand that Independence doesn't come with funding from Westminster. I doubt whether any of them could manage on their own anyway.
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25/01/2021 10:50:52 53 12
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So what if London and the South East vote to leave and rejoin the EU? Not much money left for the rest then, is there.
25/01/2021 13:23:32 1 1
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I think you ll find once the assets of the U.K. are taken away from London and the SE there won’t be much left for them to take to the Eu.
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25/01/2021 10:50:56 3 5
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There needs to be a sea link between Calais and Scotland before any nonsense talk of independence.
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25/01/2021 10:51:07 7 6
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Tomorrow our glorious leader will be celebrating 1000000 deaths, the worst in the world, no wonder Scotland wants independence
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25/01/2021 11:01:46 2 2
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100,000 not a million. He'll need until the end of the year to "achieve" that
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25/01/2021 10:51:17 8 5
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Trust "is" breaking down? Wrong Gordon, it's long gone

Tory cronyism with public contracts, tick
Tory divisions thanks to Brexit, tick
Tory pork barrelling to the old whilst stuffing the younger generations, tick

If the Tory Boomers think getting their vaccine is going to make everything cosy for them again they have a very rude awakening coming. Serious trouble is brewing for the UK