Google threatens to withdraw search engine from Australia
22/01/2021 | news | world | 883
The tech giant says it will remove its main search function from Australia if it passes a new law.
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22/01/2021 10:44:08 24 6
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'other search engines arer available'
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22/01/2021 15:27:40 2 0
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...which would be hit by the same legislation, so before long there would not be many
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22/01/2021 18:11:33 0 0
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Yeah but they suck. Bing and Yahoo.......garbage.
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22/01/2021 10:44:10 385 31
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Every country should be making google pay more taxes they are getting away with far too much.
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22/01/2021 11:16:11 133 28
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This isn't a taxation issue though. Tax on that level goes straight to central government. This is the forced payment of allegedly owed royalties from companies who willingly put their product on line for free under a click for ad display business model. This is also being done in the home country of the Murdoch media empire. It doesn't take much to see who is pushing the agenda here.
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22/01/2021 11:30:40 33 14
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It is the actions of a monopoly. They steal other peoples hard work put adverts around it and pay no tax. They are authoritarian. Have you read anything about their influence in elections? Did you see what they did to Tusli Gabbard?

They have been allowed to grow far too big and now teamed up with the USA military our personal data will be used to restrict our freedoms and our copyright laws.
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22/01/2021 11:30:54 18 5
bbc
The issue you're talking here is tax and corporate law which makes aggressive [legal] tax avoidance a legal requirement.

At the moment it is a breach of director duty for a public company to pay more tax than it *legally* has to. Instead of fixing the tax law all governments just say 'oh look how unethical you're being' whilst their friends make out like bandits.
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22/01/2021 11:35:09 50 6
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Google is a search engine, not a news publisher. If someone searches 'Medals of the World' and finds my website, I don't expect a payment from Google I expect a visitor to my site. Why should a news site have any more expectations?

Getting Google to pay its fair share of taxes SOMEWHERE is another animal.
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22/01/2021 11:39:25 23 6
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Google paid $59m in tax on profits before tax of $134m in Australia. Seems fair enough to me; the Australian government has actually done well in curtailing a lot of their tax avoidance. This however, is a mugging by Murdoch owned media. The government is just doing their dirty work, and flashing about massive numbers to try to get people onside when the tax story is a lot more nuanced.
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22/01/2021 11:41:45 33 7
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Wished the replies would understand the issue, it is not about being found in the search results, it is the fact google and others like facebook are lifting info - articles off the site and displaying within their feed for free thereby bypassing the publishers adverts stream, hence why publishers are down 70% in the last 10 years and the likes of fb and google are up massively
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Moz
22/01/2021 11:54:08 7 16
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Any CFO that pays 1p more in tax than he can legally get away with is not doing his job.

This is basically about luddites who are afraid and / or don't understand technology therefore must be seen to be doing something.
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22/01/2021 12:14:57 6 1
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No single country can take on & win against the likes of Google (with the possible exception of China). It was perhaps one of the most important benefits of EU membership - the collective power to take on the big corporates & large 'bully' countries (US, China & Russia).
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22/01/2021 12:17:03 0 4
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Every user of Google should pay also for the service they provide. The same for all search engines. Part of that payment could be a tax that goes to the government.
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22/01/2021 12:22:54 3 0
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Bingo. If everyone did it, there would be nowhere for them to hide.
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22/01/2021 18:17:05 1 0
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Google Maps
Google docs
Google Classroom
Google Search Engine
Google Sheets
Google Meet

All offered for free. If it was Apple or Microsoft you would be paying through your nose. So back off because I do not want the government to screw up something else.
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22/01/2021 18:41:40 1 0
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I agree Google should start charging for their products in Australia:

Google Maps
Google Gmail
Google Docs
Google Search
Google Meet
Google Classroom
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22/01/2021 10:44:54 106 9
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Other search engines are available.
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22/01/2021 11:16:47 71 14
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None of which are going to accept those terms or be able to function under them..

Turn off the internet, great. Now go see how the world really works. I hope it happens in a way, it'll be for the best.
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22/01/2021 11:22:38 6 2
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Other search engines will be bound to the ruling. These search engines will either withdraw; fail, fold and then disappear as they are funded through companies like google; or they will actively omit news content to avoid payment of alleged royalties (which is what facebook have proposed).
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22/01/2021 12:01:38 2 2
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Many others also load you device with cookies, pixels, etc, stripping your search habits for advertisers.
All blocked, but DDG, on my machines.
Still get too many adverts , but not as invasive.
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22/01/2021 10:45:04 190 36
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Australia's reasonings are perfectly reasonable.
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22/01/2021 11:05:41 56 18
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Sounds reasonable
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22/01/2021 11:19:37 8 3
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Or Rupert is still pulling the strings in the Australian govt
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22/01/2021 11:36:12 7 3
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Why? Google is a search engine, not a news publisher. If someone searches 'Medals of the World' and finds my website, I don't expect a payment from Google I expect a visitor to my site. Why should a news site have any more expectations?
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22/01/2021 12:37:38 5 0
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Is it? It's a bit like The Sun giving its rag away for free on the bus, then expecting the driver to give them a share of the takings.

I pay my ISP for internet access, should they be paying the BBC just because I chose to use their connection scribble this?
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22/01/2021 14:36:40 1 0
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But complely ineffective. Get a free VPN and search from 'virtual UK'
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22/01/2021 17:38:31 1 0
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To me it makes no sense. Why should Google have to pay sites when people click on their sites?
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22/01/2021 18:14:20 0 0
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What is reasonable is that Google should be charging for the following services:

Google maps
Google classroom
Google search engine
Google docs
Google sheets

Just to name a few. Ever tried Bing or Yahoo search engines? Complete garbage.
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22/01/2021 10:45:36 171 33
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Well done Australia for calling google out!
They are ripping off all country’s and making ridiculous profits!
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22/01/2021 11:25:47 49 16
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This is not about taxation....
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22/01/2021 12:31:52 8 1
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Google just provides a link to a news website if that’s what you search for and in most cases the news website is full of adverts that provide the news website with an income
We all then use Google and Google maps free of charge
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22/01/2021 14:19:43 0 1
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ripping off all country's what? Or did you mean countries?
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22/01/2021 15:00:26 0 0
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So you will be happy to pay for gmail, google maps and search engine and everyone elses search engines because it would of course spread to them and by survival of the fittest it would almost certainly mean google ended up the only one. They could then set their own price for the invaluable service they supply.
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22/01/2021 10:46:09 279 35
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Well done Australia. Plenty of other search engines around. It's time that these tech firms paid their way.
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22/01/2021 10:53:58 99 41
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Other search engines also provide headlines and links to other media outlets and would also have to pay. The world wide web would soon break if you had to pay to link to another website.
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22/01/2021 10:59:45 22 7
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Absolutely agree! I hope more countries follow suit and make similar laws. Google can't pull out of every country!

It's interesting that Google have chosen to threaten rather than compromise. Gives you a glimpse into a not-so-benevolent organisation that a lot of us use every day...
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22/01/2021 11:12:50 9 5
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No other search engines are going to jump in under those terms....

They'll just withdraw, and leave all the 'mostly' greying elderly with less and less outlets for their fears and conspiracies. The internet is the ideal place to pretend you're the centre of the world and this is a chief tool in helping people maintain that fallacy. Can't wait until Facebook gets taken away as well.
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22/01/2021 11:18:29 12 4
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So all of a sudden we are supposed to be backing Rupert Murdock's attempts to stop his empire crumbling around him???
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22/01/2021 11:19:32 16 1
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Where is the Murdoch media empire based again? These businesses of the 'free' press willingly put their content online under a pay per click advertising business model. If they don't want it shared or linked to they should either pay wall it or exclude that content from googles search spider which is easily done using webmasters and a robots.txt file.
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22/01/2021 12:09:22 2 1
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It's quite simple, search engines block content from their search engines. News sites get less traffic and loose money. Consumers of the news will find it hard to find news articles as they will have to go to each site individually.
Everybody loses from this....is this progress? Errr no.
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22/01/2021 12:33:08 4 2
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FIREFOX is non profit
Does not 'sell' priority in the earch lists to the highest bidder ~ Its unbiased.
Unlike Google it doesn't track you.
In fact it blocks trackers.
What's not to like
(No I don't have shares in Firefox, its not for profit remember?)
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22/01/2021 14:03:11 0 0
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What happens when the other search engines pull out because it's not worth it.
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22/01/2021 18:31:59 0 0
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Google doesn't only offer the best search engine............
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23/01/2021 09:24:48 0 0
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lol says the person who uses google, gamil, youtube, googlemaps etc. You think this would had been a free service if things in Australia happened around the world
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22/01/2021 10:46:22 152 7
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DuckDuckGo is a great alternative
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22/01/2021 10:50:14 77 9
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Used DuckDuckGo for years now on all devices. Never use the dreaded Google for anything......
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22/01/2021 11:27:33 11 2
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And they will have to pay the same fee's, and as another American tech company they will follow a similar line to google. They are also a fraction of the size of google.
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22/01/2021 11:29:31 7 2
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DuckDuckGo would not be exempt from these rules. The chances are, you're simply looking at search engines removing any links to news at all.
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22/01/2021 11:32:01 9 1
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Just found DuckDuckGo (ironically searching via Google) and already getting good results therefrom - thank you!

However, presumably Australia's proposed laws will also affect DuckDuckGo?
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22/01/2021 11:32:16 6 3
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Duck Duck go is indeed a great alternative, I use it myself. Neither would I ever use Chrome again, which in many ways is much more insidious and damaging.

But this is about saving Murdoch's Newspaper empire. All the engines will have to leave as well if those same terms are enforced.
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22/01/2021 12:00:22 3 3
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DuckDuckGo actually aggregate from different search providers and search anonymously on your behalf. So losing Google could impact DuckDuckGo as well in Aus.
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22/01/2021 12:02:28 1 0
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yes but surely the issue is exactly the same! Duck and go will also be subject to this law, probably making them untenable.
so you won't be using it, if everywhere suddenly decides that a search engine should pay to help people find other peoples sites!
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vk
22/01/2021 12:26:01 2 1
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Also they have no money, therefore no money for news publishers. Own goal by all!
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22/01/2021 12:50:22 3 1
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Yep
Duck Duck go linked to Firefox as Browser
Best possible combination
Free
Not tracking
No companies buying slots at the top of the results list
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22/01/2021 13:59:02 1 0
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Ecosia is better and they use profits to plant trees.

they recently planted trees at NHS hospitals in the uk
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22/01/2021 14:22:23 0 0
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Duckduckgo uses multiple sources including, search engines such as Bing (but not Google, apparently).

https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources/
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22/01/2021 18:42:22 0 0
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Qwant is pretty good too.
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Ish
22/01/2021 22:51:13 0 1
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@rudolph
Quote "DuckDuckGo is a great alternative".Are you serious? It's rubbish compared to Google
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23/01/2021 09:26:18 0 0
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Do they do duckgogo maps too and email? Oh thought not lol... the idiots crying about google most likely use other google products. Love the hypocrisy
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ljs
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ABOUT TIME that somebody stood up against these parasites.

Who steal OTHER peoples work and line their pockets.
Removed
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Rob
22/01/2021 10:55:18 1 1
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Don't you ever use Google then? Or Amazon? Or Facebook? If so then you are guilty of supporting them.
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22/01/2021 10:47:23 113 28
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More disgusting behaviour from Big Tech.

Post a message to your users to try to undermine the democratically-elected government ... like what Uber did a few years ago.

When will these companies be brought to heel ?

The chinese government might control the internet but the internet controls western governments.
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22/01/2021 11:03:43 63 22
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Utter tosh!

If you don't like Google, you are FREE to use other search engines, they aren't forcing anyone to use them, there are MANY MANY other ones.

Google should just stop serving "snippets" of news in their results which helps users find the articles on the news sites, and just give them the link to the main page.

Problem solved, and absolutely NO valid argument from the papers then!
where do you think this push is coming from? Where are the Murdoch media empire based again? You, like every other idiot on here posting about taxation, fail to understand that this law isnt about taxation to central government. Its the payment of allegedly owed royalties to media companies like those run by the Murdoch's. Do those companies pay all their taxes? Removed
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22/01/2021 11:37:13 4 4
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Google is also part of the bent media. If you can remember back to 2016/17 I saw people on sites asking you to reference negative things about Hillary Clinton on Google, then do the same on other search engines. Google was burying the results. Stopped using Google at that point. A few corporations based mainly in California control what you; see, say and if anyone can see what you think at all!
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jon
22/01/2021 10:47:35 4 2
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Maybe the French model is the way forward since Google and Facebook have gained the majority of advertising at the expense of independent news organisations which don’t have the public subsidy enjoyed by the BBC.
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22/01/2021 11:01:09 1 1
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The article is about Australia, not the UK.

It has nothing to do with the decline of print media, every paper in the world has the same problem, if the newspapers want to protect their content, they can easily implement a paywall to do so.

The fact is, they gain the majority of their viewers thru search engines, Google should just only provide links to them and NO more. See how they like that!
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22/01/2021 10:47:49 27 9
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An interesting way to make tech giants pay for the intellectual property they rely on for their 'free' business model. However with Google's high share of the browser market Australia may be cutting itself off from the rest of the internet search world. Difficult choices ahead, good luck Australia...
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22/01/2021 10:58:25 22 7
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Google make their money from advertising, not giving search results to people.

These newspapers would moan to high heaven if they lost the people brought to them thru Google searches!

Google should just show the main links to these papers, and not the "snippets" you get shown when searching for an article.

Problem solved, and puts a hole in the paper's arguments about their content.
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22/01/2021 12:31:30 0 0
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As said elsewhere, there are other less intrusive search engines.
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22/01/2021 10:48:01 64 17
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Google (Alphabet) are a horrific company. far too much power. Look what they've done to Youtube. A once great platform now turned in to a political ad-ridden mess.
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22/01/2021 11:17:03 11 21
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I don't get any ads on You Tube
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22/01/2021 11:45:34 2 2
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So, are you saying ads should be removed from YouTube, along with the payments they generate for the content providers...? This would see the end to a lot of the content on there too! People don't produce it for "free"
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22/01/2021 12:06:59 1 5
bbc
please explain why they are Horrific Company? Please explain the harm they are doing?
If you can't you have no basis for your comment.
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22/01/2021 19:21:52 0 1
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You can pay to have no ads. It's like television.
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23/01/2021 09:33:55 0 0
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Oh yes you want free content and think its costs nothing lol. You freeloaders love free stuff. Thats like saying ITV should not run ads, Do you know how much it costs to run the youtube servers every day?Its costs $3m a day just to run the servers. Lets not ad tech staff - that will be more than $10m a day. You ignorant people need an education
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22/01/2021 10:48:28 90 7
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Why did Google agree to pay for copyright in France and not Australia? Not very fair dinkum.
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22/01/2021 10:52:02 13 2
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Good question - I think the big problem with this in Australia is the broader regulation, it would also force them to entrench the incumbents by giving their search algo to NewsCorp and Fairfax and notifying them of changes 14 days in advance (which is impossible, as changes are made much faster and with shorter lead times).
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22/01/2021 10:55:03 1 1
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As the article said, because they include "snippets" from the news websites in their search results.
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22/01/2021 11:15:46 5 2
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They made an agreement with France.
The Aussie government wants to impose something on them.
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jon
22/01/2021 11:33:36 4 1
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Maybe news organisations should pay for re-cycling Twitter snippets?
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22/01/2021 10:49:24 7 4
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Google has become far too big. Funny how some websites only work when using google chrome for example. To quote the Aussie film The Castle Federal Court Judge: And what Law are you basing this argument on?
Darryl: The Law of bloody common sense!
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22/01/2021 10:53:15 2 3
bbc
That's down to developers, nothing to do with Google.
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22/01/2021 10:54:31 2 1
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No it isn't, developers of the websites write their code for different browsers. I should know I do it for a living.
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22/01/2021 10:49:30 55 7
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Google, Facebook, Amazon. The Tech Oligopoly neds a proper grown up conversation about how powerful it is - with ZERO accountability
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22/01/2021 10:56:46 19 2
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‘Oligopoly’ love it! And spot on.
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22/01/2021 11:33:39 2 2
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People choose to buy from amazon. Amazon don't twist your arm to use its service. Facebook don't force you to sign up to its free service. Google don't force you to use its search engine. People or their own free will willingly choose to use these free services. This includes the media companies who made their product free and freely added their websites to the google database.
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22/01/2021 12:19:12 1 1
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How many people searched Google for 'oligopoly'?
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22/01/2021 10:49:34 12 5
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We need to wake up to the fact Big Tech is undermining democracy as they have more wealth than the GDP of many nations - and money means power

Being the Australian government to ransom is just one of their many abuses of power...
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22/01/2021 10:51:04 3 5
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Unlike fossil fuels?
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22/01/2021 10:52:29 3 2
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Choosing not to do business in a country that says "your business model means you need to pay us more money" is not an abuse of power. Forcing an organisation to pay AND not allow them to withdraw from that market is an abuse of power.
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22/01/2021 10:53:35 2 4
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Sir Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the world wide web, said Australia's plan would make the web "unworkable around the world"

Don't you think the inventor of the internet would know whether it was a good idea or not?

Why should Google pay newspapers for allowing people to search for the links to them, the answer is it shouldn't.

They should just remove the links completely, and let them stew.
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22/01/2021 10:49:41 8 3
bbc
Now we'll see who's got the power big corps or government

I suspect Google will win, politics and government will be replaced by business solutions.

Oh dear ??
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22/01/2021 10:50:45 2 3
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Google AMP is the big issue here, as it takes and repurposes news content and keeps it in Google's ecosystem. This used to have to be enabled and coded in by news organisations, but now is to some extent automatic. That's not acceptable. However, I don't see why Google should pay to link to news sites. If someone wants to read an article they still need to go to news sites, so what's the issue?
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22/01/2021 10:49:34 12 5
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We need to wake up to the fact Big Tech is undermining democracy as they have more wealth than the GDP of many nations - and money means power

Being the Australian government to ransom is just one of their many abuses of power...
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22/01/2021 10:51:04 3 5
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Unlike fossil fuels?
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22/01/2021 10:51:05 83 17
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Good on the aussies, these companies have to be controlled and contribute rather than just taking.
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22/01/2021 12:42:16 4 3
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Hear-hear!

It is worth pointing out the distinction however, that these are corporations, huge, giant, global corporations. Anyone can start a company, so let's not blacken all businesses.
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22/01/2021 10:48:28 90 7
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Why did Google agree to pay for copyright in France and not Australia? Not very fair dinkum.
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22/01/2021 10:52:02 13 2
bbc
Good question - I think the big problem with this in Australia is the broader regulation, it would also force them to entrench the incumbents by giving their search algo to NewsCorp and Fairfax and notifying them of changes 14 days in advance (which is impossible, as changes are made much faster and with shorter lead times).
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22/01/2021 10:52:28 13 5
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Australia should stick to its guns and Google must pay for the use of content produced by other businesses.
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22/01/2021 10:49:34 12 5
bbc
We need to wake up to the fact Big Tech is undermining democracy as they have more wealth than the GDP of many nations - and money means power

Being the Australian government to ransom is just one of their many abuses of power...
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22/01/2021 10:52:29 3 2
bbc
Choosing not to do business in a country that says "your business model means you need to pay us more money" is not an abuse of power. Forcing an organisation to pay AND not allow them to withdraw from that market is an abuse of power.
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22/01/2021 10:59:16 1 2
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Big Tech is answerable to no one- except their shareholders (who are only in it it for the money) -governments are answerable to the electorate.
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22/01/2021 10:52:46 60 12
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Good for Australia, rein in these tyrants.
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22/01/2021 11:29:42 30 14
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The Australian government? Or the Murdoch media empire?
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23/01/2021 09:30:17 0 0
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lol you mean well done Murdoch
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22/01/2021 10:49:24 7 4
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Google has become far too big. Funny how some websites only work when using google chrome for example. To quote the Aussie film The Castle Federal Court Judge: And what Law are you basing this argument on?
Darryl: The Law of bloody common sense!
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22/01/2021 10:53:15 2 3
bbc
That's down to developers, nothing to do with Google.
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22/01/2021 10:53:21 2 4
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Looking forward to big tech being brought to heal. They’ve allowed and propagated far right fake news for so long now.

You think repealing 260 in the states will allow more freedom of speech?

All those anti vaxxers, covid deniers, conspiracy theorists, far right commentators will all be silenced as big tech won’t want to have to be held liable for their outrageous remarks.
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22/01/2021 11:09:55 0 1
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There are conspiracy theorists in all political parties. Or you forgetting the Corbyn reign of tin foil, which saw a pregnant MP being scared out of the party!

Google & Facebook do need to do a lot more.

**BUT** the risk is that without proper balances only one sides
"truth" is going to be heard. You ready for that 1930 / 1984 State controlled "facts"??
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22/01/2021 10:53:33 10 2
bbc
Goodbye Google. I’m sure I can cope without you monitoring everything I do. DuckDuckGo is looking even better today.
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22/01/2021 10:49:34 12 5
bbc
We need to wake up to the fact Big Tech is undermining democracy as they have more wealth than the GDP of many nations - and money means power

Being the Australian government to ransom is just one of their many abuses of power...
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22/01/2021 10:53:35 2 4
bbc
Sir Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the world wide web, said Australia's plan would make the web "unworkable around the world"

Don't you think the inventor of the internet would know whether it was a good idea or not?

Why should Google pay newspapers for allowing people to search for the links to them, the answer is it shouldn't.

They should just remove the links completely, and let them stew.
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22/01/2021 11:11:18 0 3
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Sir Tim didn't invent any such thing. Get your knowledge straight.
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22/01/2021 10:53:37 12 4
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I can't believe Google's decided to take a threatening approach to Australia. So much for "Dont be Evil" !!!
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22/01/2021 10:58:19 8 3
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They dropped that mission statement quite a while back. They are nasty Data-Rapists but Zuckerberg is the worst.
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22/01/2021 10:46:09 279 35
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Well done Australia. Plenty of other search engines around. It's time that these tech firms paid their way.
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22/01/2021 10:53:58 99 41
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Other search engines also provide headlines and links to other media outlets and would also have to pay. The world wide web would soon break if you had to pay to link to another website.
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22/01/2021 10:58:59 6 9
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Not at all. its a bit like a performing rights licence - it's not easy but it works.
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Mr
22/01/2021 11:52:19 4 2
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The news sites will loose readership if this goes ahead, because google and others will just stop linking to news sites and start hosting their own news and news from sites that allow royalty free linking.
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22/01/2021 12:15:00 4 1
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I'm not sure it's just about linking - that seems fair game to me (it's what search engines are for). But I think Google and co. go further than that, effectively republishing already-published content.
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22/01/2021 12:33:57 2 0
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Then it could be made proportional in respect of their market share. Given that Goggle has 90%, as indicated in the article above, it would obviously affect them a great deal more than some smaller alternative.
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22/01/2021 16:42:32 0 0
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www would break seems great news to me people might get out and converse face to face with humans
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22/01/2021 10:49:24 7 4
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Google has become far too big. Funny how some websites only work when using google chrome for example. To quote the Aussie film The Castle Federal Court Judge: And what Law are you basing this argument on?
Darryl: The Law of bloody common sense!
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22/01/2021 10:54:31 2 1
bbc
No it isn't, developers of the websites write their code for different browsers. I should know I do it for a living.
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22/01/2021 10:54:34 16 4
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These companies get too big for their boots and need bringing into reality. Go for it Oz, make them realise that no company is indispensable.
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22/01/2021 10:55:00 8 1
bbc
I've been Google free for over three years now. DuckDuckGo for search and Brave browser. Sick of the Data-Rapists.
13
22/01/2021 10:48:28 90 7
bbc
Why did Google agree to pay for copyright in France and not Australia? Not very fair dinkum.
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22/01/2021 10:55:03 1 1
bbc
As the article said, because they include "snippets" from the news websites in their search results.
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22/01/2021 10:55:12 14 4
bbc
Hopefully the world will wake up to the fact that Google is one of the most EVIL companies on earth! Regulation is coming Google, don't like it? Take your crappy ad ridden search engine elsewhere then :)
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22/01/2021 10:55:16 7 5
bbc
Go Australia! I wish we had a PM like you.
ABOUT TIME that somebody stood up against these parasites.

Who steal OTHER peoples work and line their pockets.
Removed
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Rob
22/01/2021 10:55:18 1 1
bbc
Don't you ever use Google then? Or Amazon? Or Facebook? If so then you are guilty of supporting them.
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22/01/2021 10:55:42 8 3
bbc
It would be unworkable if applied to all businesses, but is clearly the right thing to do. Thus the compromise is to enforce it on the worst offenders, i.e. Google and Facebook.
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22/01/2021 10:55:48 60 8
bbc
DuckDuckGo which, unlike Google, does not scrape your personal details is a much better search engine anyway. Go ahead and pull out Google - there are better products out there, which are less intrusive.
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22/01/2021 11:31:07 49 8
bbc
If Google goes because of this ruling, so does DuckDuckGo. Honestly, have any of you read the complaint here? The Murdoch empire is threatening SEARCH ENGINES, not Google.
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22/01/2021 12:44:16 0 2
bbc
And the best browser to be using today is Brave. Download it today!
40
22/01/2021 10:48:29 8 4
bbc
Well done Australia, for standing up to tax-avoiding big tech.

Why can't the UK do this ?
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22/01/2021 11:02:59 2 2
bbc
The EU has tried and been very frustrated with Google. The UK standing alone may be able to do better as they wont have another country trying to veto for their own benefit.

Time will tell.
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22/01/2021 10:46:22 152 7
bbc
DuckDuckGo is a great alternative
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02
22/01/2021 10:50:14 77 9
bbc
Used DuckDuckGo for years now on all devices. Never use the dreaded Google for anything......
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stu
22/01/2021 11:25:36 11 1
bbc
yep. i think today is the day i change it to my homepage on all my computers and devices. google is just habit tbh

they were clever in becoming a verb 'to google'
you can't 'duck it' can you lol
188
22/01/2021 11:28:25 1 1
bbc
So what you are saying is that you are free to use a service that is free, and that everyone else who uses the web chooses similarly?
256
22/01/2021 11:45:53 7 3
bbc
Same.. Blocked Google as a search engine; years ago, was tired of getting google-inspired adverts after every search.
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22/01/2021 10:56:07 10 7
bbc
Google has threatened to remove its search engine from Australia over the nation's attempt to make the tech giant share royalties with news publishers. Greedy Google want their cake and to eat it.Well done the Australian Government reigning in the tyrant that is Google. Its only proper they should pay their way. Every country should follow Australia' s Example and tax the daylights out of Google
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22/01/2021 10:56:15 9 7
bbc
Google are the ones controlling the internet. What ever happened to free speech? They are the ones policing everybody on the internet. If they dont agree with your side of story it's basically control alt delete
44
22/01/2021 10:56:34 21 5
bbc
There are plenty more search engines out there, some even better, less intrusive and not as as nosey as Google.
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22/01/2021 10:56:46 28 9
bbc
Excellent! Well done Australia. I hope this law passes.
Gosh, anyone would think there are NO other search engines...

I do my best NOT to use google. and Amazon.
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22/01/2021 11:00:10 23 2
bbc
Good on you. That rat Bezos needs to pay some serious taxes.
361
22/01/2021 12:11:50 1 0
bbc
not sure your name is very apt! you understand that this law would price out other search engines!
You know search engines you don't have to use, that goes for Amazon as well. You have a choice here, but if you are not smart enough to exercise it you should change your name
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22/01/2021 10:49:30 55 7
bbc
Google, Facebook, Amazon. The Tech Oligopoly neds a proper grown up conversation about how powerful it is - with ZERO accountability
46
22/01/2021 10:56:46 19 2
bbc
‘Oligopoly’ love it! And spot on.
47
22/01/2021 10:56:56 9 2
bbc
The Aussies should throw Google out now! Plenty of better search engines around. Try a Google search for a better one lol
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22/01/2021 10:57:30 5 5
bbc
Are they really saying that google should pay for search results that drive traffic to news sites? Like the news site is doing Google a favour for have a page that can fulfil the searcher's request and rather than being glad that Google is sending a customer their way, they actually think they're the ones doing Google a favour!? This is so backwards, politicians and tech just do not mix.
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22/01/2021 11:01:07 1 2
bbc
No, they're not saying that. Perhaps you should google what they are saying.
Google steals content, they show news in Google Discover for example so no need to even visit the source website to read what THEY produced! ie, Google make money (by wrapping ads) around other peoples work with ZERO compensation. Google are 100^ corrupt (even their ex CEO couldn't keep it in his pants), I've been selling online since 2002 and know all their tricks!! Removed
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22/01/2021 10:57:35 32 9
bbc
Maybe Google thinks we're all too stupid to understand the effects of big corporations not paying their fair share of taxes.

If they carry on like this, people will eventually switch to more ethical companies
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22/01/2021 11:37:21 14 7
bbc
Google paid $59m in tax on profits of $134m in Australia.

Seems reasonable to me. Their revenue might be far far higher but service provision, server farms, salary costs etc do actually take up a huge amount of that. Don't buy into all the hype when people talk huge numbers about "revenue" without actually saying what is profit.
239
22/01/2021 11:42:54 4 1
bbc
This article is nothing to do with tax. It is to do with paying other commercial news organisations.
454
22/01/2021 12:38:18 3 0
bbc
Much of the tax problems are caused by poor tax laws in our countries; the multinationals are using legitimate loopholes, tax avoidance, not evasion.
It is our politicians jobs to sort that out, tax on sales, not on profits, after ludicrous charges from countries with low taxez, but no local sales.
763
22/01/2021 20:19:13 1 0
bbc
This isn't a tax. Did you even read the article?
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22/01/2021 10:57:52 10 3
bbc
There are plenty of alternatives to windows, chrome and google.

Try giving linux, firefox, and duckduckgo a whirl.

Less of a target for hackers and they don't snoop on your personal data so much.

Ironically I used google to swot up on these :)
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22/01/2021 11:02:41 11 2
bbc
Same here, use Firefox as a browser and duckduckgo as a search engine. People should vote with their feet and stop giving their data and money to these behemoths.
They're way too powerful.
Good for you Australia, don't give in.
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22/01/2021 11:04:16 3 1
bbc
Firefox is so much better than Chrome. Ask yourself WHY Google made a browser in the first place! To send all that data on you back to Mountain View......
29
22/01/2021 10:53:37 12 4
bbc
I can't believe Google's decided to take a threatening approach to Australia. So much for "Dont be Evil" !!!
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22/01/2021 10:58:19 8 3
bbc
They dropped that mission statement quite a while back. They are nasty Data-Rapists but Zuckerberg is the worst.
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22/01/2021 10:47:49 27 9
bbc
An interesting way to make tech giants pay for the intellectual property they rely on for their 'free' business model. However with Google's high share of the browser market Australia may be cutting itself off from the rest of the internet search world. Difficult choices ahead, good luck Australia...
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22/01/2021 10:58:25 22 7
bbc
Google make their money from advertising, not giving search results to people.

These newspapers would moan to high heaven if they lost the people brought to them thru Google searches!

Google should just show the main links to these papers, and not the "snippets" you get shown when searching for an article.

Problem solved, and puts a hole in the paper's arguments about their content.
445
22/01/2021 12:34:57 0 1
bbc
Agreed. But Google's argument is that anything they want to take, they can. Too big to argue with.
Australia is just leading the charge against them.
There will be reaction by the USA against threats to their dominance, hopefully ignored, but probably at some cost.
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22/01/2021 10:53:58 99 41
bbc
Other search engines also provide headlines and links to other media outlets and would also have to pay. The world wide web would soon break if you had to pay to link to another website.
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22/01/2021 10:58:59 6 9
bbc
Not at all. its a bit like a performing rights licence - it's not easy but it works.
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22/01/2021 11:13:47 6 6
bbc
No, it's unworkable nonsense. See the reply underneath. Turn it all off and make them go sit in the park and complain to the pigeons again.
446
22/01/2021 12:35:04 1 0
bbc
Not at all x 2. If I find a link to a website that plays music, I pay that website for the privilege of listening and some of that money goes to the performer. Adding another layer of payment is just a rip-off.
682
22/01/2021 16:14:28 0 0
bbc
hence why big search engines wouldn't bother playing in the Australian market, enjoy the Murdoch search engine.
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22/01/2021 10:59:15 9 4
bbc
Australia should call google bluff

Business throwing it's weight around like this is very unsettling and overplays it's hand massively

This is a PR disaster - others would step straight in to the vacuum
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22/01/2021 10:59:15 42 11
bbc
Good for the Australians. This situation has crept up on us, but it is ridiculous to think a foreign company can have such influence without paying their dues.
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22/01/2021 12:50:32 8 2
bbc
much better an Australian company influencing the government, right?
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22/01/2021 10:52:29 3 2
bbc
Choosing not to do business in a country that says "your business model means you need to pay us more money" is not an abuse of power. Forcing an organisation to pay AND not allow them to withdraw from that market is an abuse of power.
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22/01/2021 10:59:16 1 2
bbc
Big Tech is answerable to no one- except their shareholders (who are only in it it for the money) -governments are answerable to the electorate.
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22/01/2021 11:02:29 1 1
bbc
I'm sure that's an answer to somebody but it's not an answer to me. They work under the law of the land they operate in. If they can't work under that law, they withdraw from that country. Are you saying they shouldn't?
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22/01/2021 10:59:16 18 5
bbc
Its time we all held these tax avoiding companies to account.
Amazon, Google, Apple, Starbucks etc
They all say they will withdraw their services or products from certain countries if they need to pay more tax.
Lets see if they have the bottle.
Of course they won't as it would mean their revenues and sales would collapse,their shares would collapse in value and then they loose all their power
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22/01/2021 11:17:30 7 1
bbc
Governments and politicians are weak when faced with a threat from a technology company. Whose running world politics now?
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22/01/2021 10:59:21 91 20
bbc
Bye then Google.

Intrusive, monopolistic company with an increasingly sinister desire to control everyone's digital lives. No thanks.
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22/01/2021 11:30:57 21 27
bbc
So what you're saying is that you have free to choice to not use a business that is free?
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22/01/2021 20:57:24 0 0
bbc
yes that is a perfect description of the murdoch empire driving this agenda, but no need for the word digital
No one is forcing you to use google idiot Removed
869
23/01/2021 12:51:19 0 0
bbc
I'd love to say goodbye to Google but the problem is that apart from being intrusive and monopolistic, they are also annoyingly good at what they do, and thus genuinely useful. I've virtually sold my soul to them for that reason.

(Love the user name, btw - fellow Vonnegut fan :-))
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22/01/2021 10:59:39 20 7
bbc
Each state has its own right to determine its laws.

Companies like Google & Facebook undermine democracy because they are not accountable.

Google espically has been undermining companies for years, and yet they claim to "do no evil" yeah right??
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22/01/2021 12:13:55 2 0
bbc
yes because media companies are fair and impartial!
Take some time to think about what Public Opinion actually is! You are a victim of propaganda, sadly you can't see it or understand it.
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22/01/2021 10:46:09 279 35
bbc
Well done Australia. Plenty of other search engines around. It's time that these tech firms paid their way.
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22/01/2021 10:59:45 22 7
bbc
Absolutely agree! I hope more countries follow suit and make similar laws. Google can't pull out of every country!

It's interesting that Google have chosen to threaten rather than compromise. Gives you a glimpse into a not-so-benevolent organisation that a lot of us use every day...
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22/01/2021 11:20:09 9 6
bbc
Google did attempt to comprimise; please realise a lot of this reporting is driven by Murdoch owned media companies.

They offered to negotiate with individual media companies - rejected, needs to be national

They offered to remove links to news sites - rejected by Australian government

I don't like Google particularly but this is an attempted mugging
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22/01/2021 12:01:37 2 1
bbc
This isn't a threat, it is a fact. If you legislate to prevent my business model in your country, I won't and can't do business in your country.
455
22/01/2021 12:38:24 1 1
bbc
Why can't Google withdraw from every country? You seriously underestimate their ability to adapt and attract new revenue streams. Not that there's any question of its main markets, the USA and UK, ever passing such batty legislation in the first place. Not a threat just a healthy dose of reality. No company in the world would operate in a hostile environment for long.
617
22/01/2021 14:37:15 0 0
bbc
Would you rather Google just pay up, and then start charging for all the free services that they provide.
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22/01/2021 10:59:51 11 4
bbc
$4 billion =$45 million tax? Says it all really.
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22/01/2021 11:04:11 3 1
bbc
I suspect the $4 billion is revenue not profit.
124
22/01/2021 11:08:44 1 1
bbc
What does it say? Taxes are on profit, not revenue. Same for every business - if you spend £100 at Tesco, Tesco do not pay tax on the £100. They pay tax on their profit, which is £100 less all of their costs (buying the items, paying staff, running stores, advertising). This is a deliberately sensationalist point in the article.
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22/01/2021 11:15:04 0 2
bbc
Too many governments around the world allow this, whilst taxing their own (smaller) businesses full rates. Who runs the treasury departments these days?
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22/01/2021 10:56:46 28 9
bbc
Excellent! Well done Australia. I hope this law passes.
Gosh, anyone would think there are NO other search engines...

I do my best NOT to use google. and Amazon.
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22/01/2021 11:00:10 23 2
bbc
Good on you. That rat Bezos needs to pay some serious taxes.
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Rob
22/01/2021 11:00:23 4 3
bbc
A fair bit of hypocrisy in some of these entries, I suspect. Do the people on here criticising the tech giants never use Google, or Facebook, or Amazon? Because if they do then they are guilty of supporting them.
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22/01/2021 11:03:35 4 3
bbc
Duckduckgo

Never ever use google/amazon and never never go anywhere near facebook. Sheeple.
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22/01/2021 11:00:41 7 1
bbc
This is a very complicated issue. Very few people like Google as a company but the merit of this proposal has to be based on facts. Google benefits financially from the search results it provides but it also drives traffic to news providers who provide a wide range of opinions and editorials.

Surely we don't want a world where Google itself becomes the sole provider of news in its search results.
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22/01/2021 11:00:46 9 3
bbc
Duckduckgo !
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22/01/2021 11:04:03 2 1
bbc
This.
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22/01/2021 10:57:30 5 5
bbc
Are they really saying that google should pay for search results that drive traffic to news sites? Like the news site is doing Google a favour for have a page that can fulfil the searcher's request and rather than being glad that Google is sending a customer their way, they actually think they're the ones doing Google a favour!? This is so backwards, politicians and tech just do not mix.
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22/01/2021 11:01:07 1 2
bbc
No, they're not saying that. Perhaps you should google what they are saying.
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jon
22/01/2021 10:47:35 4 2
bbc
Maybe the French model is the way forward since Google and Facebook have gained the majority of advertising at the expense of independent news organisations which don’t have the public subsidy enjoyed by the BBC.
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22/01/2021 11:01:09 1 1
bbc
The article is about Australia, not the UK.

It has nothing to do with the decline of print media, every paper in the world has the same problem, if the newspapers want to protect their content, they can easily implement a paywall to do so.

The fact is, they gain the majority of their viewers thru search engines, Google should just only provide links to them and NO more. See how they like that!
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22/01/2021 14:43:05 0 0
bbc
Might could also argue that the news site should pay the search engine for providing the link to their content, it cuts both ways, the simple fact is Google does what they do better than its competitors, that's why it's No.1, it wasn't always though, in the 90's early 2000's Yahoo was the top dog
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22/01/2021 10:52:16 11 4
bbc
I can seriously recommend Ecosia as an alternative search engine. They are based in Berlin and 80% of the profits are used to plant trees and promote reforestation projects. Plus they are much more trustworthy regarding their handling of our data. I just think it's a really worthwhile thing to think about. We don't have to rely on Google.
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22/01/2021 11:12:16 2 1
bbc
There are others too: Bing, Duck Duck Go, Startpage etc... (the last two also don't track you or collect data so are much safer) Google has a good mapping service and a mediocre mailing service but as for searching, it's just the most famous of many. Like Facebook, Amazon and Apple, you can always use alternatives.
656
22/01/2021 15:36:11 0 0
bbc
And they will be planting far less trees if this legislation goes through!
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22/01/2021 11:01:52 9 6
bbc
Google: Ms Silva said the laws would set "an untenable precedent for our businesses and the digital economy" if the company had to pay for link and search results.
This was not compatible with the free-flowing share of information online or "how the internet works", she argued. And we all argue that Google is a greedy monopoly that thinks it can avoid tax and royalties. Suck it up Google.
665
22/01/2021 15:45:41 0 1
bbc
or suck it up Australia when Google and other search engines decide they can live without the revenue
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22/01/2021 10:59:16 1 2
bbc
Big Tech is answerable to no one- except their shareholders (who are only in it it for the money) -governments are answerable to the electorate.
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22/01/2021 11:02:29 1 1
bbc
I'm sure that's an answer to somebody but it's not an answer to me. They work under the law of the land they operate in. If they can't work under that law, they withdraw from that country. Are you saying they shouldn't?
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22/01/2021 10:57:52 10 3
bbc
There are plenty of alternatives to windows, chrome and google.

Try giving linux, firefox, and duckduckgo a whirl.

Less of a target for hackers and they don't snoop on your personal data so much.

Ironically I used google to swot up on these :)
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22/01/2021 11:02:41 11 2
bbc
Same here, use Firefox as a browser and duckduckgo as a search engine. People should vote with their feet and stop giving their data and money to these behemoths.
They're way too powerful.
Good for you Australia, don't give in.
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22/01/2021 11:02:53 5 13
bbc
Wow. A lot of jealousy being shown by people below. Australia would have to apply the law to every search engine company, so nobody would provide the service in Australia. Google is the best search engine on the Internet by miles and Gmail is really good. Furthermore, both services are free to use, so stop moaning about them and grow a pair.
Did you get any qualifications at school? Removed
They search engine is an ad engine now. Gmail is shite, slow, data mines (yes, their AI READS your emails, and humans too!) Obvious Google shill. Bet you are one of their PPC butt kissers. Removed
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22/01/2021 10:48:29 8 4
bbc
Well done Australia, for standing up to tax-avoiding big tech.

Why can't the UK do this ?
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22/01/2021 11:02:59 2 2
bbc
The EU has tried and been very frustrated with Google. The UK standing alone may be able to do better as they wont have another country trying to veto for their own benefit.

Time will tell.
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22/01/2021 10:57:30 5 5
bbc
Are they really saying that google should pay for search results that drive traffic to news sites? Like the news site is doing Google a favour for have a page that can fulfil the searcher's request and rather than being glad that Google is sending a customer their way, they actually think they're the ones doing Google a favour!? This is so backwards, politicians and tech just do not mix.
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bbc
Google steals content, they show news in Google Discover for example so no need to even visit the source website to read what THEY produced! ie, Google make money (by wrapping ads) around other peoples work with ZERO compensation. Google are 100^ corrupt (even their ex CEO couldn't keep it in his pants), I've been selling online since 2002 and know all their tricks!! Removed
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22/01/2021 11:03:25 8 3
bbc
The FATGA corporations are parasites on democratic open societies.
They make billions every month and give little back, whilst stifling home grown competition who would be paying their taxes.
654
22/01/2021 15:35:34 0 0
bbc
except this isnt about tax!
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22/01/2021 11:03:31 18 6
bbc
Google are a guide, a "yellow pages" from older days. They don't create content, they hawk off of other peoples work and charge a fortune for it and pay bugger all tax for the privilege. Sod them, use Bing or something else.... they can't hold countries to ransom - arrogant gits.
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22/01/2021 11:10:43 8 1
bbc
Because Bing is run by a non-profit?
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Rob
22/01/2021 11:00:23 4 3
bbc
A fair bit of hypocrisy in some of these entries, I suspect. Do the people on here criticising the tech giants never use Google, or Facebook, or Amazon? Because if they do then they are guilty of supporting them.
77
22/01/2021 11:03:35 4 3
bbc
Duckduckgo

Never ever use google/amazon and never never go anywhere near facebook. Sheeple.
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22/01/2021 10:47:23 113 28
bbc
More disgusting behaviour from Big Tech.

Post a message to your users to try to undermine the democratically-elected government ... like what Uber did a few years ago.

When will these companies be brought to heel ?

The chinese government might control the internet but the internet controls western governments.
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22/01/2021 11:03:43 63 22
bbc
Utter tosh!

If you don't like Google, you are FREE to use other search engines, they aren't forcing anyone to use them, there are MANY MANY other ones.

Google should just stop serving "snippets" of news in their results which helps users find the articles on the news sites, and just give them the link to the main page.

Problem solved, and absolutely NO valid argument from the papers then!
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22/01/2021 11:19:42 2 3
bbc
Spot on.

I simply can't imagine them pulling out of Australia completely because Jeff won't want to lose that four billion.
Ack. My bad editing left Jeff in. Idiot! Removed
"Free to use other search engines"

Another useful idiot, happy to ignore the big picture because they remain unaffected.
Removed
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22/01/2021 12:10:49 3 1
bbc
Influence can be used to undermine governments.
When you have as much influence as Google (or any of the other big tech firms) dismissing it by talking about how free we are to use other platforms is utter tosh.
453
22/01/2021 12:38:13 3 2
bbc
… err … you seem to be ignoring the elephant in the room, which is the monopoly.
I'm going to have to give you an F-. See me after class.
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22/01/2021 13:48:55 0 0
bbc
I don’t use Google for anything. I choose not to use any of their services on any devices in my home.... on a daily basis there are 15000+ requests from my home network for dns addresses that are Google.com, Google.net, gstatic.com, Google analytics.com etc etc. I have no way of stopping this firm harvesting my data. It’s absolutely frightening.
572
22/01/2021 13:56:23 0 0
bbc
They tried removing snippets in France. They were forced to pay anyway.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-google-france-idUSKCN21R14X
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22/01/2021 11:00:46 9 3
bbc
Duckduckgo !
79
22/01/2021 11:04:03 2 1
bbc
This.
50
22/01/2021 10:57:52 10 3
bbc
There are plenty of alternatives to windows, chrome and google.

Try giving linux, firefox, and duckduckgo a whirl.

Less of a target for hackers and they don't snoop on your personal data so much.

Ironically I used google to swot up on these :)
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22/01/2021 11:04:16 3 1
bbc
Firefox is so much better than Chrome. Ask yourself WHY Google made a browser in the first place! To send all that data on you back to Mountain View......
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22/01/2021 11:05:33 4 4
bbc
Time to take on the new censorship of BIG TECH . They are trying to create a WOKE world where individual thought is banned.
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22/01/2021 11:05:34 9 3
bbc
About time Google and those data mining, rapacious owners of Facebook and Amazon start paying tax!
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22/01/2021 11:11:55 3 2
bbc
This isn't taxation to central government though. Its royalties to companies. The two are completely different issues and I suspect it is being driven by the Murdoch media empire who are, shock and horror, based in Australia.
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V-V
22/01/2021 11:05:35 2 2
bbc
Aussies - rejoice!!!
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22/01/2021 10:45:04 190 36
bbc
Australia's reasonings are perfectly reasonable.
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22/01/2021 11:05:41 56 18
bbc
Sounds reasonable
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22/01/2021 11:16:33 1 5
bbc
Perfectly
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22/01/2021 11:05:47 4 3
bbc
Big Tech companies occupied a space where the rules and regulations have not caught up yet. In addition, these companies pay little to no taxes in many jurisdictions they operate in. Time for a change as people are getting upset...
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22/01/2021 11:10:20 0 1
bbc
Changes in taxation of the business yes. Media companies willingly putting their product on line for free is not Googles issue.
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22/01/2021 11:05:57 16 5
bbc
I haven't used Google for years.

There are plenty of alternatives - DuckDuckGo, as many have mentioned, but also Ecosia which plants trees when you use it for searches.

Google has got its tentacles into almost every aspect of our digital lives & its monopolistic practices & tax avoidance are not conducive to the public good in both Australia and here in the UK.
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22/01/2021 11:09:02 3 8
bbc
And they are all rubbish.
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22/01/2021 11:05:58 15 2
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If every country followed Australia's lead.......
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22/01/2021 11:09:37 2 7
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Then whichever company comes behind Google will just do the same. And in the meantime you upset an awful lot of future voters by depriving them of youtube and forcing them to use Bing.
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22/01/2021 11:06:25 14 4
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Option A: Withdraw your services - no profit.
Option B: Pay local businesses for content you currently get revenue from - less profit.

I'd call their bluff, Australia.
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22/01/2021 11:08:36 7 2
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Option C: kowtow to the Murdoch media empire which is forcing this agenda. Its more a sign of the failings of the 'free' press that their product is so poor people do not want to buy it.
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22/01/2021 11:02:53 5 13
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Wow. A lot of jealousy being shown by people below. Australia would have to apply the law to every search engine company, so nobody would provide the service in Australia. Google is the best search engine on the Internet by miles and Gmail is really good. Furthermore, both services are free to use, so stop moaning about them and grow a pair.
Did you get any qualifications at school? Removed
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22/01/2021 11:02:53 5 13
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Wow. A lot of jealousy being shown by people below. Australia would have to apply the law to every search engine company, so nobody would provide the service in Australia. Google is the best search engine on the Internet by miles and Gmail is really good. Furthermore, both services are free to use, so stop moaning about them and grow a pair.
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They search engine is an ad engine now. Gmail is shite, slow, data mines (yes, their AI READS your emails, and humans too!) Obvious Google shill. Bet you are one of their PPC butt kissers. Removed
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22/01/2021 11:07:00 4 2
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Perhaps the Aussies will replace well known tech with home grown alternatives like;

Google with Googlie (the cricket themed search engine)
Amazon with Outback
Costa with Coasta
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22/01/2021 11:16:13 2 3
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China do it. You should check out Youku.
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22/01/2021 11:07:04 4 3
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I am sure we can all do without Google. Could we?
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22/01/2021 11:11:34 2 1
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Yes! Use duckduckgo for your search engine - it's free. And while you're at it, install Firefox as your browser, open source not for profit.
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22/01/2021 11:13:46 0 1
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"lm sure we can all do without Google"
And amazon, ebay, Facebook etc.. Each of their breakthroughs was decades ago.. Surely tech and science moved on enough for gov world wide to block US companies & set up local versions.
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22/01/2021 11:07:32 1 3
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Surely it's for the news organisations to decide how much they want to be paid for news feeds. The government's role is just to make it enforceable.

Surely all Google needs to do is to stop doing the news feed part in Australia. Everything else they do (which must be a least 99% of their business) can carry on as normal. Will they really give up on all that advertising revenue? I don't think so.
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22/01/2021 11:13:06 0 1
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They previously said they would simply stop indexing news sites. The government of australia rejected this and said if they operated in australia they HAD to index news sites, and pay for the priviledge.

Google noped out and said in that case they'd have to just stop search.
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22/01/2021 11:08:16 10 2
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Need Solidarity with Australia these US based tech giants need to be paying taxes in the countries they operate lots of tax. Trump has gone the fear of making US pay to operate in our Nation's has gone UK government need to do what Australia is doing.
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22/01/2021 15:33:06 2 0
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read the article - this is not about tax
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22/01/2021 15:41:46 0 0
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Oh you naive fool - where do you think Biden is going to get all this money he thinks he will spend. Biden will do nothing to upset the money tree - he cant afford too. Remember Obama didn't close the US Cuban prison even though he promised to do so! All politicians are the same !
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22/01/2021 11:06:25 14 4
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Option A: Withdraw your services - no profit.
Option B: Pay local businesses for content you currently get revenue from - less profit.

I'd call their bluff, Australia.
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22/01/2021 11:08:36 7 2
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Option C: kowtow to the Murdoch media empire which is forcing this agenda. Its more a sign of the failings of the 'free' press that their product is so poor people do not want to buy it.
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22/01/2021 11:22:34 3 1
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Well said, where is the democracy in Australian media. Yet another move to look like they're going after the tech giants whilst protecting the interests of the right-wing media moguls
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22/01/2021 11:05:57 16 5
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I haven't used Google for years.

There are plenty of alternatives - DuckDuckGo, as many have mentioned, but also Ecosia which plants trees when you use it for searches.

Google has got its tentacles into almost every aspect of our digital lives & its monopolistic practices & tax avoidance are not conducive to the public good in both Australia and here in the UK.
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22/01/2021 11:09:02 3 8
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And they are all rubbish.
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22/01/2021 11:31:32 3 1
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DuckDuckGo and Startpage for example, don't track you, don't sell your information and don't bias their own services over their competitors. Which one is rubbish again?
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Why was my comment binned ???????????????????

Did you not like the word "parasites" ?????????????????
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22/01/2021 11:05:58 15 2
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If every country followed Australia's lead.......
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22/01/2021 11:09:37 2 7
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Then whichever company comes behind Google will just do the same. And in the meantime you upset an awful lot of future voters by depriving them of youtube and forcing them to use Bing.
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22/01/2021 11:14:10 4 2
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But they don't....several posters have mentioned DuckDuckgo who don't profile their users and track their browsing habits.
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22/01/2021 10:53:21 2 4
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Looking forward to big tech being brought to heal. They’ve allowed and propagated far right fake news for so long now.

You think repealing 260 in the states will allow more freedom of speech?

All those anti vaxxers, covid deniers, conspiracy theorists, far right commentators will all be silenced as big tech won’t want to have to be held liable for their outrageous remarks.
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22/01/2021 11:09:55 0 1
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There are conspiracy theorists in all political parties. Or you forgetting the Corbyn reign of tin foil, which saw a pregnant MP being scared out of the party!

Google & Facebook do need to do a lot more.

**BUT** the risk is that without proper balances only one sides
"truth" is going to be heard. You ready for that 1930 / 1984 State controlled "facts"??
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22/01/2021 11:10:03 1 2
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Geoff Brown, 'The Local Bore, You Can't Ignore writes: Well done Aussies, as it's about time someone gave these guys a kick up the backside!