Brexit: Retailers warn they could burn goods stuck in EU
22/01/2021 | news | business | 2,921
UK retailers may abandon goods EU customers want to return because it is cheaper than bringing them home.
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22/01/2021 10:38:16 6 8
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'Wonderif' this is a two way street?

Prsumably, this happens to goods coming into the UK.

A one sided newspeice?
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22/01/2021 10:47:19 12 5
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I thought you sad Britain was self-sufficient in everything. Buy British and all that. Now you admit you buy foreign stuff. How dare you?
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22/01/2021 10:47:35 1 1
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Yes, it's happening both ways. A bit of a spit roast all around really.
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22/01/2021 10:49:36 4 1
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The stuff coming in to the UK can be sold in any other country the EU has a trade deal with.
The stuff going out is stuck at our border, and unable to access our largest trading partner.

So the problem is extremely one sided, minor problems for the EU, big problems for the UK.
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22/01/2021 11:03:16 0 1
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It does, but that is for EU business leaders and governments to worry about.
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22/01/2021 11:04:50 0 1
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Do you then think our papers should write about what China and Russia is saying about us too?
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22/01/2021 11:45:13 0 1
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No. Boris gave the EU. a 6 month free pass.
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22/01/2021 10:38:43 192 28
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Well the Government and the Brexiteers got what it voted for. What were you expecting?
22/01/2021 15:20:38 16 77
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We didn't vote for the EU to be silly bu****s, they were that already as Liam Fox told you, but you wouldn't listen, but don't worry, all those large multi-nationals you said would leave haven't & once the EU discovers how much it hurts them and that it has no effect on Italy they'll be too busy trying to stop Italy defaulting & exiting the Euro, then news won't bother with this trivial stuff.
22/01/2021 19:00:07 0 4
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Even more than the 61 new trade deals we have got.
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22/01/2021 10:39:20 14 18
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So an anecdotal comment that suppliers "may" burn clothes rather than return them to the UK is headline news with a HYS. There is no evidence to support this claim from a guy I have never heard of from an organisation I have never heard of.

Why not headline on the Nissan story. Sorry, I forgot, that's positive news.
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22/01/2021 10:43:45 11 2
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There is a Nissan story published. Saying that everything remains the same as before Brexit. No change to what they already had, no new investment, just not disinvestment.
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22/01/2021 10:47:13 7 1
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Nissan is also a headline, but then that is also only anecdotal and may not turn out to be true, but as it is telling you what you want to hear you are willing to accept that without question.
Meantime there are long delays at the ports, businesses on the verge of bankruptcy as a result of those and people losing their jobs, but you regard that as 'anecdotal' because it shows you are wrong.
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LG
22/01/2021 10:48:59 6 1
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There is an open HYS on Nissan so suggest you wind your neck back in and head over there.
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22/01/2021 10:45:18 3 1
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You need to take your head out of your unlit uplands
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22/01/2021 11:43:37 2 2
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"There is no evidence to support this claim from a guy I have never heard of from an organisation I have never heard of."

I'm not sure you'd accept evidence that dropped out of a blue sky on to your head, if it didn't support what we could laughingly call your "arguments"
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22/01/2021 10:39:45 461 84
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Boris Johnson told us all that he had negotiated a "World Beating Trade Deal" with the EU. Try telling that to Fishermen, Farmers and other businesses. Boris Johnson has duped us all again with his lies and deceit. We have world beating lamb, beef and fish and its rotting in containers because Johnson lied to the nation. He is good for nothing save for U-turns and lies.
To be fair he only duped 43% of those who voted.
He did it by pandering to racism and promising an end to the disastrous problems he and his party had created with their previous lies and empty promises.
The racists and those so tired with the whole mess they just wanted it to go away were willing to believe him despite his history of lying, and we are in this mess as a result of that.
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22/01/2021 10:56:56 61 4
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It is all missunderstanding. World Beating meant world will beat us.
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22/01/2021 11:17:44 76 10
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"Boris Johnson has duped us all again"

No, only the Brexiteers.
All us others saw right through the lies.
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22/01/2021 11:21:54 33 13
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Not sure why we should be surprised here. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out we'd be worse off as consumers and that businesses would also be compromised and suffer. Its not just the procedures and protocols from the EU, its also their mindset to teach the UK a lesson and stop other member states jumping ship too.
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22/01/2021 11:39:00 36 5
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You forgot the adulteries,unfaithfull to lady friends,back stabbing.the list goes on.One important thing is the mess he has along with Hancock made of the pandemic.Their actions has not been good for the country or for those who succombed to the virus.Bring on the enquiry into the debacle aided by their incompetence.
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22/01/2021 11:56:08 36 5
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But many already knew they were lies, Boris was given the ammunition he needed by those who voted to leave.
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22/01/2021 12:10:02 4 49
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Rubbish, no lies just the truth. No tariffs and a better fishing deal
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22/01/2021 12:58:16 3 32
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Sell it in the UK at subsidised prices to the hungry millions and reduce the UK’s dependency on food imports - job done
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22/01/2021 13:19:12 10 33
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And Jeremy Corbyn would have done a better job running the country when he wasn't even prepared to state where he stood on Brexit?
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22/01/2021 13:46:00 16 2
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Look on the bright side, he did promise a huge sum to help the UK Fisheries industry. Just wonder who's gonna pay for it, and the NHA, the police and everything else he lied about.
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22/01/2021 13:56:46 19 4
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He didn’t dupe me. I voted remain and knew leaving would be ruinous. But then I don’t read the Daily Fail, the Sun, Express or Telegraph.
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22/01/2021 14:00:56 21 4
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I voted to stay in Europe for many reasons. One of which being I could not see one single tiny benefit for our household after leaving. 99.5% of people who voted to leave, I`m afraid were total bell ends.
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22/01/2021 14:49:35 12 2
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Blame those who were stupid and dumb enough to believe in a proven liar, and Farage!
23/01/2021 07:47:18 2 0
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Surly there can’t be any problems it was an oven ready deal, or was that half baked! Either way it more than obvious mini trump hasn’t been near a kitchen
23/01/2021 17:16:41 1 0
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These companies should send BoJo a bill for their losses.
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22/01/2021 10:40:54 79 16
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Easiest deal in history they said.
We hold all the cards they said
They will have to give us what we want they said
Have our cake and eat it they said

All the promises of sunlit uplands,
All the painting of the warnings of what would happen by remainers as 'project fear'
All of it now proven to be outright lies.

But at least the money launderers and tax evaders can carry on as normal...
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22/01/2021 11:09:33 13 58
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The EU is proving that the leavers were most likely RIGHT.
22/01/2021 15:37:55 0 6
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They always could, Brexit deals didn't affect Luxembourg or Monaco. So tell us about Nissan closing Sunderland, Unilever moving to Holland etc, not some woman buying a £240 coat & internet return items being written off not returned. How is the mighty Project Fear fallen. Still don't worry thank to Brexit vaccination programs are running across Europe, not very well in the EU admittedly
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22/01/2021 10:41:08 25 7
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Sunlit uplands, or is the light the result of Johnson's trade barriers resulting in goods being burnt at the borders?
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22/01/2021 10:41:56 37 8
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UK have shot themselves in the foot.....
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22/01/2021 10:55:50 24 2
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Head likely
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22/01/2021 11:25:06 3 1
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The brexiteers have shot themselves in the head.

Fortunately for most of them they missed their brains by about a metre.
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22/01/2021 11:39:09 2 1
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Both feet.
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22/01/2021 10:42:07 11 6
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'Could'

'Could' reporting helps no one, any facts?
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22/01/2021 10:45:14 21 9
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Since when did Brexiteers care about facts? It was all about jingoistic emotions.
Any positive facts regarding Brexit? No.

Unless someone wants to prove me wrong....
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22/01/2021 10:55:38 3 2
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What more do you need than business leaders saying what they might have to do.
Denial does not mean it is not going to happen.
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22/01/2021 10:42:13 16 12
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Bojo's self-imposed deadline for a deal meant that he rushed into signing something that he didn't understand and which was bad for Britain.

Maybe it's the deal that should be burned.
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22/01/2021 10:53:24 7 2
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He was desperate to distract people from the disastrous mess the govenment had made of the Covid situation over xmas so he panicked into signing a mess of a treaty.
The result is we have thousands dying per day of Covid, and a godawful mess at the ports that is threatening many peoples livelihoods.
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22/01/2021 10:43:42 222 38
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Taking back control...

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.... (falls off chair foaming at the mouth)

What a disaster
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22/01/2021 11:02:10 32 168
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yes lets be in an organisation that demand to have the same diplomatic status as countries just so you can save on tat.

bravo
I always said remoaners were sad b******s. Still, here is what is going to dominate the news soon, Brexit is nowt compared to this

https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/11/new-poverty-hits-europe?minutetv=true
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22/01/2021 18:54:59 1 6
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We will not be rejoining so you had better accept it.
23/01/2021 13:01:06 0 0
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Foaming at the mouth ? Seek medical aid .
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22/01/2021 10:39:20 14 18
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So an anecdotal comment that suppliers "may" burn clothes rather than return them to the UK is headline news with a HYS. There is no evidence to support this claim from a guy I have never heard of from an organisation I have never heard of.

Why not headline on the Nissan story. Sorry, I forgot, that's positive news.
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22/01/2021 10:43:45 11 2
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There is a Nissan story published. Saying that everything remains the same as before Brexit. No change to what they already had, no new investment, just not disinvestment.
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22/01/2021 10:58:15 1 2
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Is that the same Nisan that said it will close business should there be barriers.
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22/01/2021 10:39:45 461 84
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Boris Johnson told us all that he had negotiated a "World Beating Trade Deal" with the EU. Try telling that to Fishermen, Farmers and other businesses. Boris Johnson has duped us all again with his lies and deceit. We have world beating lamb, beef and fish and its rotting in containers because Johnson lied to the nation. He is good for nothing save for U-turns and lies.
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To be fair he only duped 43% of those who voted.
He did it by pandering to racism and promising an end to the disastrous problems he and his party had created with their previous lies and empty promises.
The racists and those so tired with the whole mess they just wanted it to go away were willing to believe him despite his history of lying, and we are in this mess as a result of that.
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22/01/2021 11:33:33 21 3
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Yes, exactly.
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22/01/2021 13:47:24 2 15
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Blah blah blah, got enough salt to sell yet with all your tears
22/01/2021 15:46:52 1 7
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I thought 52 per cent voted out not 43 . If you're referring to the General election, Corbyn never wanted to be in Europe throughout his entire political life and didn't want a second referendum either. Boris Johnson just promised to get it done.Europe will always cheat they did it before we went in they're going to be worse than the yanks for bullying us wait and see.
22/01/2021 16:40:22 4 1
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Oh I love that! So 43% of voters a complete idiots - no surprises there then.
22/01/2021 18:45:31 0 4
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So 43% of the people who voted in 2019 were duped? Or they were racists?

The arrogance of the left.
22/01/2021 22:21:06 2 0
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"He did it by pandering to racism."

Clearly.

No grey areas. Black & white.
23/01/2021 10:26:09 1 0
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I have to say that I I developed coulrophobia, so I no longer listen, read or watch what this Tory party have to say about anything.
23/01/2021 12:13:24 0 0
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Is it racist to be concerned that Neo Liberal control of UK has a primary policy of mass immigration numbering 650,000 a year (minus emigration).
When netted off - even by remainers leaving , then the number can return to net 100,000 which is more than enough for this island to sustain.
23/01/2021 17:15:43 1 0
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It requires a modicum of intelligence to spot a liar.
23/01/2021 22:57:40 0 0
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Socialist nonsense of the worst kind.

Accusing others of racism without cause is disgusting & counterproductive.
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22/01/2021 10:44:32 4 6
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There needs to be a clear communication from both the EU and UK governments that spells out clearly what the charges will be for movement of goods. Paying taxes like this does not seem to match what both sides said. If that is the case why did we allow them to still fish in our waters?
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22/01/2021 10:49:14 5 2
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Oh, not the fish again. Grief. That issue is miniscule.
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22/01/2021 10:50:25 2 1
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It's not about taxes only. Even without any tax you still have to provide a lot of additional documents for shipment. That's the benefit of being outside and take back control.
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22/01/2021 10:51:59 1 1
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Because of inept government lead by inept leader supreme, The Thing BoJo. Eat cake and have it. Or rather they eat a cake and we have a th..d.
23/01/2021 10:50:47 0 0
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Being a third country is clear communication.
23/01/2021 10:55:13 0 0
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Great idea to give the goods to the homeless. The Eu's homeless so thanks UK.
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22/01/2021 10:42:07 11 6
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'Could'

'Could' reporting helps no one, any facts?
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22/01/2021 10:45:14 21 9
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Since when did Brexiteers care about facts? It was all about jingoistic emotions.
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22/01/2021 10:45:31 216 51
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Brexit disaster. Day 22
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22/01/2021 11:16:55 194 38
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So thanks to Brexit we can have to pay an extra 40% on some EU goods costing £200. Well at least we have all that sovereignty to pass our own laws. Like lowering food stuffs and reducing workers rights.
22/01/2021 18:54:06 1 11
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Brexit success, 61 new trade deals.
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22/01/2021 10:45:45 6 2
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Build a biomass power station at Dover and Calais , all this limbo apparel could mixed with unwanted chippy fat and burned to make electricity.
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22/01/2021 11:21:01 13 3
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We don't need one, we can generate an infinite amount of power from the hot air and empty promises of Brexiteers apparently...
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22/01/2021 10:46:03 30 11
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Ah, the sunny uplands. Brilliant.
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22/01/2021 10:46:10 515 109
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Wow! Are those the sunlit uplands, shining on the horizon?

Ah no... It's just the glow of goods that are being burnt to avoid the cost of having to pass them through the new export barriers twice.

Great job, brexiteers.
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22/01/2021 10:52:04 58 108
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Thank you.
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22/01/2021 11:17:03 61 7
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And yet you have the brexiteers claiming victory because 1 car plant was able to stay open....

delusional
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22/01/2021 11:26:05 5 32
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Yeah, right. And what's your view on the Nissan announcement???
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22/01/2021 11:31:47 9 60
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Just stop purchasing EU goods and items, they will soon learn!
Boycott the EU then no extra taxes on goods and services!!
Simples!!
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22/01/2021 14:18:13 16 3
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This is what happens when right wing extremism rises above common sense.
The cancer of brexit has come home to roost & the UK end game has begun. project reality is here. Sadly brexiteers tend to deny the facts as if truth is optional so no doubt will continue to deny what's happening, as if this self inflicted mess is some sort of victory, rather than an act of national self harm
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22/01/2021 14:27:09 0 11
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We didn't vote for this we voted to leave a passive aggressive union behind. You're welcome just stay in Europe.
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22/01/2021 14:40:15 0 9
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LOL so the EU starts playing silly b*****s to punish us, as we leavers told you they would, and you blame the UK and leavers! We should have gone WTO that way we could have punished them for trying to punish us.
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22/01/2021 14:53:45 0 9
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Our pleasure, been vaccinated yet or are you in the EU? ;-)
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22/01/2021 15:16:53 0 5
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You’re welcome. Cry more.
22/01/2021 16:23:04 0 4
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Use the 60 million internal market at home to sell your wares...
22/01/2021 16:45:36 0 4
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No but they will be when we secure enough deals to not worry about the eu. They'll soon change it then. We should reciprocate and do it to them
22/01/2021 18:42:31 0 5
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Yawn.
23/01/2021 09:40:21 0 2
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Are we boring you? Are you finding life here tedious and missing your previous cosmopolitan, care free lifestyle under the magnanimous EU?

Don’t let us keep you then, off you go to the glorious, freedom loving Franco-German Fourth Reich.

Missing you already...not!
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22/01/2021 10:46:12 148 34
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Another of the benefits that Brexit is bringing ?
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22/01/2021 11:19:07 123 27
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Brexit has tons of benefits!

For the EU that is.
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22/01/2021 11:38:29 30 2
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Many people will see benefits as a result of Brexit.

A lot of people who used to work for a living will find themselves on benefits as a result of Brexit.

Not the sort of benefits they thought they were being sold granted, but it is as close as you will get to people seeing any benefits from Brexit.
22/01/2021 19:03:23 0 5
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Yawn.
23/01/2021 11:29:03 0 0
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Do we also have to go back to old days of the large hard cardboard things that do not fit in a pocket?
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22/01/2021 10:46:18 532 78
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Creating obstacles to trading with your closest neighbours in insane, monumental waste of effort.
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22/01/2021 11:15:12 88 103
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But at least it united the Conservative Party.

(? And I'm sure it's an ill wind that blows no speculator no good.)
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22/01/2021 11:19:32 12 135
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In this case No it’s not, as it should mean Britain’s businesses gain from UK citizens spending at home which is also environmentally beneficial as goods are not being transported back and forth from EU and best of all we did get our SOVEREIGNTY BACK ??
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22/01/2021 11:26:39 15 67
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True, so why did the EU insist on doing just that???
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22/01/2021 12:09:06 100 3
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Remainers have been saying this from day 1. Project Fear apparently.
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22/01/2021 12:24:11 73 4
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true, but there's no reasoned, logical or rational explanation that works against zealous ideology, why do we waste our breath? Being right or wrong isn't actually important to them. also see flat-earthers, climate deniers and conspiracy theorists
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22/01/2021 13:42:23 5 28
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Funny how there don't appear to be any problems with the EU produce coming to the UK isn't it ?

Is it not happening, not being reported or is it just the EU being bloodyminded about UK goods ?

Ham sandwiches, sir ? ... afraid I'll have to confiscate them, more than my jobs worth ...
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22/01/2021 13:42:40 27 1
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The UK people chose for Brexit and believed all the rubbish Boris told them about him getting a single market trade deal and now you cry when you have to pay import/export on goods. What do you expect when you cut yourself loose from a great deal.
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22/01/2021 14:05:01 6 3
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i know, what were the EU thinking.... idiots !
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22/01/2021 14:22:30 1 32
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But as we've told you all along, the EU is not about trade, the EU is a political project to create a United States of Europe, so they are doing all they can to punish the UK because they must ensure we fail, otherwise, when Covid lock-down effects start to hit, as they are, in Southern Europe, Italy and others will look at the UK & ask 'Is it time for us to leave too?'
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22/01/2021 15:05:44 11 1
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Not having those obstacles was a key part of being in the EU...... yet another who doesn't understand what they voted for.
22/01/2021 15:33:02 0 9
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Well they have got to punish somebody to keep the rest in check
22/01/2021 15:49:25 2 1
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Hmm, ‘Get Brexit Done’ now sounds more like ‘Get Brexit to unDone us’!
Somewhat sad state of things....
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22/01/2021 10:39:20 14 18
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So an anecdotal comment that suppliers "may" burn clothes rather than return them to the UK is headline news with a HYS. There is no evidence to support this claim from a guy I have never heard of from an organisation I have never heard of.

Why not headline on the Nissan story. Sorry, I forgot, that's positive news.
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22/01/2021 10:47:13 7 1
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Nissan is also a headline, but then that is also only anecdotal and may not turn out to be true, but as it is telling you what you want to hear you are willing to accept that without question.
Meantime there are long delays at the ports, businesses on the verge of bankruptcy as a result of those and people losing their jobs, but you regard that as 'anecdotal' because it shows you are wrong.
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22/01/2021 10:38:16 6 8
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'Wonderif' this is a two way street?

Prsumably, this happens to goods coming into the UK.

A one sided newspeice?
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22/01/2021 10:47:19 12 5
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I thought you sad Britain was self-sufficient in everything. Buy British and all that. Now you admit you buy foreign stuff. How dare you?
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22/01/2021 10:54:41 0 1
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No.
Where did you get quote that from?
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22/01/2021 10:42:44 7 7
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With any luck this will stop people ordering far more than they actually want with the sole intent of sending loads back. Terrible for the environment. Perhaps a carbon footprint indication of how much your imported goods (whether EU, RoW, or export from UK) are helping to destroy the planet.
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22/01/2021 10:52:04 6 3
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People are sending the goods back (both ways) because of undisclosed custom and handling charges, that they are being asked to pay on top of the ticket price. It's not a willy-nilly return of goods, it is just that people dont want to pay extra on top of the presumed price.
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22/01/2021 10:38:16 6 8
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'Wonderif' this is a two way street?

Prsumably, this happens to goods coming into the UK.

A one sided newspeice?
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22/01/2021 10:47:35 1 1
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Yes, it's happening both ways. A bit of a spit roast all around really.
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22/01/2021 10:39:20 14 18
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So an anecdotal comment that suppliers "may" burn clothes rather than return them to the UK is headline news with a HYS. There is no evidence to support this claim from a guy I have never heard of from an organisation I have never heard of.

Why not headline on the Nissan story. Sorry, I forgot, that's positive news.
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22/01/2021 10:48:59 6 1
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There is an open HYS on Nissan so suggest you wind your neck back in and head over there.
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22/01/2021 10:48:59 40 11
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The Nasty Party used to be the friend of entrepreneurs.

Now small businesses are disproportionately affected by these extra costs.
22/01/2021 15:58:45 3 1
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Don't worry Covid lock-downs will kill small businesses so soling that problem, ask the FSB, they just happened to point that out last week.
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22/01/2021 10:44:32 4 6
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There needs to be a clear communication from both the EU and UK governments that spells out clearly what the charges will be for movement of goods. Paying taxes like this does not seem to match what both sides said. If that is the case why did we allow them to still fish in our waters?
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22/01/2021 10:49:14 5 2
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Oh, not the fish again. Grief. That issue is miniscule.
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22/01/2021 10:38:16 6 8
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'Wonderif' this is a two way street?

Prsumably, this happens to goods coming into the UK.

A one sided newspeice?
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22/01/2021 10:49:36 4 1
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The stuff coming in to the UK can be sold in any other country the EU has a trade deal with.
The stuff going out is stuck at our border, and unable to access our largest trading partner.

So the problem is extremely one sided, minor problems for the EU, big problems for the UK.
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22/01/2021 10:49:57 221 31
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The official advice of Her Majesty's Government is to create German jobs and pay German corporation taxes?
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22/01/2021 12:07:03 190 35
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Just shows you how stupid brexit really is
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22/01/2021 12:41:28 18 2
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"The official advice of Her Majesty's Government is to create German jobs and pay German corporation taxes?"

That's not fair, the advice is to "shop around" - as a technology firm we decided on Ireland rather than the Netherlands or Estonia all of whom offered better terms to a UK Co to trade in the EU than the "world-beating" trade deal does. Ireland offers better terms to trade in the UK too!
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22/01/2021 15:17:22 4 4
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The UK has changed so that VAT must be pid at the point of sale rather than import on goods under £135, the EU will doing the same from July for goods under 155 Euro. This is a six month gap between terrorises aligning the way VAT is collected. Poorly thought out but a temporary issue for shoppers.
22/01/2021 15:19:23 8 2
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The issue for businesses will be paying VAT to EU countries come July. EU members will have a central system to collect and remit the VAT across the EU. It would be sensible if the UK and EU could agree to use the same system to allow shoppers easy access to goods under £135/155 Euro.

www.avalara.com/vatlive/en/vat-news/eu-2021-e-commerce-vat-package.html
23/01/2021 17:22:42 0 0
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I expect those that do move will do far far better back in the EU.
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22/01/2021 10:44:32 4 6
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There needs to be a clear communication from both the EU and UK governments that spells out clearly what the charges will be for movement of goods. Paying taxes like this does not seem to match what both sides said. If that is the case why did we allow them to still fish in our waters?
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22/01/2021 10:50:25 2 1
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It's not about taxes only. Even without any tax you still have to provide a lot of additional documents for shipment. That's the benefit of being outside and take back control.
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22/01/2021 10:50:35 7 7
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The paperwork will eventually be sorted and import \ export administration will become yesterdays news. How you ask. Some UK businesses will stop importing others exporting from\ to EU. EU businesses will do likewise. Those that remain in exporting will raise prices to cover additional administration costs. further depressing sales volumes.UK only country going backwards as regards trade deals.
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22/01/2021 10:50:40 6 7
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As an Irish man We all got a bad deal i could totally understand the U.K mindset in wanting to leave an E.U ruled by Germany and France and told what to do by Unelected burucracts. Its just a shame a descent deal was reached for both sides because this one sucks for all of us.
48
22/01/2021 10:54:55 6 3
bbc
EU bureaucrats are elected.
90
22/01/2021 11:06:43 0 1
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You don’t say whether your a northern or southern Irishman but it’s looking very much like unification of Ireland isn’t many years away, demographics might be the tipping point so you’ll be back in EU by default, if EU still exists that is??
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Ian
22/01/2021 10:50:47 41 9
bbc
If this is a great deal, glad we did not have a bad one. Perhaps Boris can be impeached for lying to us all.
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22/01/2021 11:00:40 4 42
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It’s the best deal we could ever have wished for as we’ve got out SOVEREIGNTY BACK ??
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22/01/2021 10:50:53 96 21
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MrBlueSky

"There is no evidence to support this claim from a guy I have never heard of from an organisation I have never heard of."

Evidence? I thought you brexit lot don't need evidence?
We still don't know what the benefits of brexit might be...
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22/01/2021 10:58:56 16 65
bbc
SOVEREIGNTY! ??
269
22/01/2021 12:00:50 5 16
bbc
"We still don't know what the benefits of brexit might be..."

Being able to vaccinate our population without waiting for the EU behemoth to say its OK would be one. Also a small manufacturer I have also seen a significant upturn in commissions and orders right here in the UK.
22/01/2021 15:30:55 0 4
bbc
Ask Nissan, BMW, Unilever, PSA all of whom moved or invested here, in fact Nissan pulled out of the EU and were recently in the BBC headlines saying they were happy at the Brexit deal - The flagship of Project Fear - Nissan, happy with Brexit? LOL no wonder one woman & a ham sandwich make such news for the BBC, there isn't much else other than Southern Europe's unfolding economic disaster.
22/01/2021 19:05:55 0 2
bbc
So the Remainer arguments were based on evidence?
8
22/01/2021 10:42:07 11 6
bbc
'Could'

'Could' reporting helps no one, any facts?
Any positive facts regarding Brexit? No.

Unless someone wants to prove me wrong....
13
22/01/2021 10:44:32 4 6
bbc
There needs to be a clear communication from both the EU and UK governments that spells out clearly what the charges will be for movement of goods. Paying taxes like this does not seem to match what both sides said. If that is the case why did we allow them to still fish in our waters?
36
22/01/2021 10:51:59 1 1
bbc
Because of inept government lead by inept leader supreme, The Thing BoJo. Eat cake and have it. Or rather they eat a cake and we have a th..d.
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22/01/2021 10:46:10 515 109
bbc
Wow! Are those the sunlit uplands, shining on the horizon?

Ah no... It's just the glow of goods that are being burnt to avoid the cost of having to pass them through the new export barriers twice.

Great job, brexiteers.
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22/01/2021 10:52:04 58 108
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Thank you.
113
22/01/2021 11:16:13 24 3
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whoooosh...
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22/01/2021 10:42:44 7 7
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With any luck this will stop people ordering far more than they actually want with the sole intent of sending loads back. Terrible for the environment. Perhaps a carbon footprint indication of how much your imported goods (whether EU, RoW, or export from UK) are helping to destroy the planet.
38
22/01/2021 10:52:04 6 3
bbc
People are sending the goods back (both ways) because of undisclosed custom and handling charges, that they are being asked to pay on top of the ticket price. It's not a willy-nilly return of goods, it is just that people dont want to pay extra on top of the presumed price.
218
22/01/2021 11:38:19 0 1
bbc
I think you will find its both, as the opening para says, approx 30% of goods returned (before any mention of import taxes, its well known historical data). So hopefully this 30% will stop happening, meaning huge benifit for the environment (as previous articles have pointed out, most returns are destroyed anyway)
39
22/01/2021 10:52:15 8 12
bbc
Buy British is the answer!
45
22/01/2021 10:54:20 10 1
bbc
Did you read the article - for people living in the EU buying British is the problem!!
55
22/01/2021 10:56:27 3 1
bbc
Try for just one week to buy products which are 100% British. Impossible I would say.
58
22/01/2021 10:57:23 3 1
bbc
They are... its British goods EU customers are returning. Wouldn't take a rocket scientist to realise what side of the fence you sit on. lol
64
22/01/2021 10:58:23 2 1
bbc
And the last time you viewed the wonderful array of goods made in the Britain with British Materials was....?
73
22/01/2021 11:00:45 4 1
bbc
The tried that in Harold Wilson's day. Did not work and our manufacturing base has more or less disappeared mainly Governments Tory and Labour putting too much emphasis on the financial industry and hospitality sectors.
121
22/01/2021 11:18:20 1 1
bbc
You may need to wait a few decades for global warming to really ramp up for your next delivery of Oranges, Bananas, and Peaches.
The paddy fields of Norfolk may be a bit salty by then of course so they won't be producing much rice...
141
22/01/2021 11:24:22 1 1
bbc
Dont think you are understanding we have very little manufacturing industry in the UK most of our goods come from China. Its all about logistics and warehousing, where the goods are stored and the related customs charges in to that country. EU has more warehouses than the UK for example to store or distrubute goods. So expect over the next 5 years for the industry to adapt. £££ UK Consumer pays
236
22/01/2021 11:50:49 0 1
bbc
I did...

There is a very nice Jaguar, built at Castle Bromwich, sat on my drive.

But the profits went to an Indian company, which doesn't worry me particularly, as it also helped support a lot of skilled engineers and designers in the UK.

But can you find me a mobile phone that is made here, even to that extent?
40
22/01/2021 10:52:29 42 9
bbc
Why burn the items? Give them to the homeless.
60
22/01/2021 10:58:02 26 5
bbc
Oh you can’t do something like that it’s sensible ??
273
22/01/2021 12:01:43 1 2
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Dont be silly, there are no homeless people in the EU.
518
22/01/2021 13:30:03 3 2
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or allow illegal immigrants to carry them back into Blighty. The gammons who caused this mess would love that, I'm sure
41
22/01/2021 10:53:03 24 7
bbc
Does this now mean that Amazon and Ebay sales into the UK will also carry taxes.

Or have they been given an exemption?
57
22/01/2021 10:57:06 9 3
bbc
They’ve probably got their act together ??
112
22/01/2021 11:16:02 12 1
bbc
Yep it works both ways if your in the EU or UK , think the couriers are making a killing out of Customs paperwork handling can add at least £15 to a £70 order on Amazon. EU has more fullfillment centres than the UK so broader scope. UK is on a looser with this one.
114
22/01/2021 11:16:24 8 1
bbc
You really wouldn't want to read Amazon's seller forums - meltdown.
135
22/01/2021 11:22:20 1 2
bbc
Most ebay stuff comes from uk or direct from china, my recent amazon purchases have all apparently shipped from uk.

So neither would encounter uk/eu border.

Here are two shining examples of how new regulations are helping our exporters: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-55723672
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sci
22/01/2021 11:22:28 12 1
bbc
This absolutely does mean ebay/amazon purchases from the EU into the UK; my purchase 2nd Jan showed extra 20% VAT because I hadn't bought in Dec: I cancelled. Later found out I'd have copped for customs charges & delivery company charges to handle those customs charges on top. This was despite the sale coming from a private seller to a private purchaser for a private 2nd hand item. Crazy Nonsense
191
22/01/2021 11:37:23 14 1
bbc
Yes, exactly. Even more annoying than the extra tax or import duty are the hefty handling charges imposed by Royal Mail and other couriers for collecting it, which for small purchases can be more than the value of the tax collected.
I did point this out ahead on HYS of the referendum, and my comments were rubbished then as "Project Fear". Well, I told you so...
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22/01/2021 12:14:12 10 1
bbc
I'm a seller on both eBay and Amazon. I've worked in retail since the mid 80s.
Many online sellers are now faced with a nightmarish scenario - one in which both buying and selling overseas has suddenly become far too complex and far too costly. Like many other sellers I've been forced to just limit sales to the UK now. Sadly for some sellers that will be a killer blow - disastrous.
483
22/01/2021 13:23:11 0 1
bbc
They have exemption for U.K. goods!
Sir
22/01/2021 18:23:57 1 1
bbc
eBay, certainly, are adding VAT (20%) to sales from OUTSIDE U.K. (not just EU) !
42
22/01/2021 10:53:25 333 54
bbc
Internet shoppers see prices rise by a THIRD on EU products - as British High Street retailers and luxury brands may BURN items returned by European customers rather than bringing them back to UK to avoid cost and hassle of Brexit red tape. How can this be? I do recall Boris Johnson telling us all that he had negotiated a "World Beating Trade Deal" with the EU...or was he lying???
111
22/01/2021 11:15:22 303 47
bbc
Yes, he was lying. He's always lying - he's really good at it. That's why he was chosen to "get brexit done".
604
22/01/2021 13:50:24 21 3
bbc
With a bit of luck we in the EU can buy all the returned goods stuck in Germany and Belgium at a 1/4 of the price ;-) Burning them is not good for the environment.
632
22/01/2021 13:58:15 26 3
bbc
Was his mouth moving? In which case he was lying.
797
22/01/2021 14:37:33 18 3
bbc
Johnson's lips were moving QED he's lying.
893
22/01/2021 14:51:30 9 2
bbc
Do you really have to ask lol. The man can't tell the truth by accident!
995
22/01/2021 15:16:29 2 4
bbc
Disgusting that retailers should even think of burning the returned goods so adding to pollution levels.
Give them to the poor and needier families over on the Continent. I am sure they would be glad of them.
22/01/2021 15:20:33 3 2
bbc
I am hoping to resume my cycling trips to France in the summer. Despite all the fuss I am still looking forward to it.
23/01/2021 14:38:08 2 0
bbc
He also said it was "oven-ready." Maybe he meant more housefire ready.
23/01/2021 18:48:00 0 1
bbc
That comment is up there with the "Boris is going for no deal because of his mates blah blah blah", "hedge funds, blah blah blah".
23/01/2021 22:21:44 0 0
bbc
Other countries are available for internet shopping, it damaging their economy not ours.
9
22/01/2021 10:42:13 16 12
bbc
Bojo's self-imposed deadline for a deal meant that he rushed into signing something that he didn't understand and which was bad for Britain.

Maybe it's the deal that should be burned.
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22/01/2021 10:53:24 7 2
bbc
He was desperate to distract people from the disastrous mess the govenment had made of the Covid situation over xmas so he panicked into signing a mess of a treaty.
The result is we have thousands dying per day of Covid, and a godawful mess at the ports that is threatening many peoples livelihoods.
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jon
22/01/2021 10:53:34 6 12
bbc
Support UK businesses. Only deal with EU firms which are competent with the paperwork at the point of sale. So we know what we will be paying. US companies can compete on this basis and EU businesses will have to adjust or loose UK sales. The same applies to UK businesses selling into the EU.
53
22/01/2021 10:56:27 7 1
bbc
"Support UK businesses."

That would clearly entail not voting for Brexit. Too late now though, we were warned.
70
22/01/2021 10:59:56 1 1
bbc
Your naive arrogance is almost endearing. The majority of reported problems are about poor preparation on UK side, not EU side. Also, the majority of cost is for the UK side.

You seem to think that we can simply switch suppliers, for instance for 40% of our food? Who in the world can produce that much more food for export? Not the USA, or China. Not Zimbabwe or Paraguay.
39
22/01/2021 10:52:15 8 12
bbc
Buy British is the answer!
45
22/01/2021 10:54:20 10 1
bbc
Did you read the article - for people living in the EU buying British is the problem!!
46
22/01/2021 10:54:22 107 14
bbc
Another Brexit triumph.
22/01/2021 19:05:11 6 21
bbc
yawn.
22
22/01/2021 10:47:19 12 5
bbc
I thought you sad Britain was self-sufficient in everything. Buy British and all that. Now you admit you buy foreign stuff. How dare you?
47
22/01/2021 10:54:41 0 1
bbc
No.
Where did you get quote that from?
32
22/01/2021 10:50:40 6 7
bbc
As an Irish man We all got a bad deal i could totally understand the U.K mindset in wanting to leave an E.U ruled by Germany and France and told what to do by Unelected burucracts. Its just a shame a descent deal was reached for both sides because this one sucks for all of us.
48
22/01/2021 10:54:55 6 3
bbc
EU bureaucrats are elected.
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Kai
22/01/2021 10:58:34 1 1
bbc
By the population?
8
22/01/2021 10:42:07 11 6
bbc
'Could'

'Could' reporting helps no one, any facts?
49
22/01/2021 10:55:38 3 2
bbc
What more do you need than business leaders saying what they might have to do.
Denial does not mean it is not going to happen.
7
22/01/2021 10:41:56 37 8
bbc
UK have shot themselves in the foot.....
50
22/01/2021 10:55:50 24 2
bbc
Head likely
23/01/2021 08:14:19 1 0
bbc
Before or after dismembering?
3
22/01/2021 10:39:20 14 18
bbc
So an anecdotal comment that suppliers "may" burn clothes rather than return them to the UK is headline news with a HYS. There is no evidence to support this claim from a guy I have never heard of from an organisation I have never heard of.

Why not headline on the Nissan story. Sorry, I forgot, that's positive news.
51
22/01/2021 10:45:18 3 1
bbc
You need to take your head out of your unlit uplands
52
jk
22/01/2021 10:56:14 311 49
bbc
The absolute folly of leaving the EU without a decent deal is coming home to roost. Boris and his incompetent ministers seem more interested in stopping the EU ambassador having diplomatic status than they do about British business. A group of 8 year olds could make a better job.......!!!!!!!
610
22/01/2021 13:52:23 50 69
bbc
And to take your attention away from the terrible Brexit mess he keeps filling every ones head with inflated inaccurate Covid figures.
22/01/2021 16:41:28 7 3
bbc
The absolute folly of leaving the EU, never mind any deal! Now the pigeons are coming home to roost.
22/01/2021 18:47:47 1 8
bbc
Boring. An 8 year old wrote your post.
22/01/2021 18:58:11 2 5
bbc
Leaving the EU was the worst decision since Edward VII signed the Entente Cordiale in 1902 and we had committed to fight for France should she be attacked. And she was and we lost our Empire.
22/01/2021 20:24:31 9 4
bbc
We HAD a decent trade deal - called MEMBERSHIP
We HAD control of making the rules too (our elected gov ministers won 90% of the votes. Now we win ZERO % yet in order to sell anything to our neighbours well of course STILL have to obey any new trading standards whilst LOOSING any say in making the rules.

Brexit = LOOST control and LOST trade. No gain. Just pain.
23/01/2021 14:00:35 2 3
bbc
Yes but there was nearly 4 years to sort this out but idiotic politicians from all parties, remain or leave spent so long arguing that we missed any opportunity to do anything better.

If, instead of constantly trying to stop "Leave" everyone had worked together we would have been a lot better off. Clearly remain could be better but much of this is self-inflicted by all the warring factions.
23/01/2021 16:12:46 4 2
bbc
Yes, but our 8 year old Ministers have calculated that denying diplomatic status to EU diplomats will play well with their fan club, and they are right about that.
23/01/2021 17:18:01 2 0
bbc
Bozo is just being petty. Bullingdon boy stuff.
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jon
22/01/2021 10:53:34 6 12
bbc
Support UK businesses. Only deal with EU firms which are competent with the paperwork at the point of sale. So we know what we will be paying. US companies can compete on this basis and EU businesses will have to adjust or loose UK sales. The same applies to UK businesses selling into the EU.
53
22/01/2021 10:56:27 7 1
bbc
"Support UK businesses."

That would clearly entail not voting for Brexit. Too late now though, we were warned.
54
22/01/2021 10:56:27 253 46
bbc
This is brexiteers spreading project reality that they voted for so they need to stop whinging about it. They should be congratulating themselves for their stupidity coming true.
435
22/01/2021 13:08:14 90 229
bbc
The only people I see and hear 'whinging' are Remainers.
994
22/01/2021 15:16:06 1 7
bbc
You’re welcome. Cry more.
22/01/2021 18:52:14 2 4
bbc
Yawn. On the subject of stupidity......
39
22/01/2021 10:52:15 8 12
bbc
Buy British is the answer!
55
22/01/2021 10:56:27 3 1
bbc
Try for just one week to buy products which are 100% British. Impossible I would say.
4
22/01/2021 10:39:45 461 84
bbc
Boris Johnson told us all that he had negotiated a "World Beating Trade Deal" with the EU. Try telling that to Fishermen, Farmers and other businesses. Boris Johnson has duped us all again with his lies and deceit. We have world beating lamb, beef and fish and its rotting in containers because Johnson lied to the nation. He is good for nothing save for U-turns and lies.
56
22/01/2021 10:56:56 61 4
bbc
It is all missunderstanding. World Beating meant world will beat us.
41
22/01/2021 10:53:03 24 7
bbc
Does this now mean that Amazon and Ebay sales into the UK will also carry taxes.

Or have they been given an exemption?
57
22/01/2021 10:57:06 9 3
bbc
They’ve probably got their act together ??
39
22/01/2021 10:52:15 8 12
bbc
Buy British is the answer!
58
22/01/2021 10:57:23 3 1
bbc
They are... its British goods EU customers are returning. Wouldn't take a rocket scientist to realise what side of the fence you sit on. lol
59
22/01/2021 10:57:38 268 36
bbc
Government advice to UK businesses; set up part of your firm in the EU.

Golf clap for the Brexiters.
564
22/01/2021 13:41:48 104 25
bbc
I'd laugh if I wasn't already crying. Incredible isn't it? We will soon make Albania look like Monaco in comparison.
761
22/01/2021 14:29:49 5 1
bbc
Goverment advice to non brexiters, we will make this country to expressive for you to stay.
902
22/01/2021 14:57:35 3 21
bbc
Sensible, Nissan, BMW, PSA, Unilever all did that in the UK, I guess the problem is the one remoaner mention are small companies, unlike the above major multi-nationals. Though to be fair, Nissan didn't so much set up in the UK as withdraw from the EU . ;-)
22/01/2021 18:58:27 3 2
bbc
Exactly. You couldn't make it up. These clowns in Westminster couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Every one of them should be sacked.
22/01/2021 19:01:59 1 4
bbc
Like SSE and Nat Grid for example. Perhaps we should now be patriotic and switch to British Gas?
40
22/01/2021 10:52:29 42 9
bbc
Why burn the items? Give them to the homeless.
60
22/01/2021 10:58:02 26 5
bbc
Oh you can’t do something like that it’s sensible ??
61
22/01/2021 10:58:05 2 4
bbc
The amount of stuff that gets returned is ridiculous. I'm aware it is a consumer right due to the regulations but people have taken it to extreme levels ordering so many items. Perhaps we will now shop locally, rather than ordering a pair of socks from the other side of the continent ?
75
22/01/2021 11:01:14 8 2
bbc
And the 'local' shop gets its merchandise from where exactly? I'll give you a clue: it is not from the powerhouse of the north.
62
22/01/2021 10:58:14 272 57
bbc
The EU should be grateful to GB for proving it’s economic suicide to leave and laying bare the truth behind far right lies about sovereignty. Perhaps they could let us rejoin as a thank-you.
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22/01/2021 13:17:10 105 179
bbc
Whilst I voted to remain...the behaviour of the EU (not the countries but the or) have proven that it will not stop eroding sovereignty till the US of E exists.
The rise of the leave capaigners is already starting in Greece, Italy, Spain, Poland and Portugal. The EU is blind and will never reform till it collapses
975
22/01/2021 15:12:57 7 21
bbc
How come we don't hear the same about our RoW trade? Maybe the RoW isn't stupidly trying to play politics to punish the UK 'Pour les encourager les autres' where ' lest autres' are Italy. Keep an eye on Southern Europe, Covid lock-downs are the issue, not Brexit or the UK & they are already hitting Southern Europe, 3 months earlier than most pundits expected.
22/01/2021 18:51:30 2 5
bbc
If you think the UK is headed for economic suicide you should go somewhere else, because we will not be rejoining.
23/01/2021 17:19:16 3 0
bbc
Doubt they want us now, we are far to much trouble.
23/01/2021 22:41:11 0 0
bbc
I think you'll find that centre right for most, but give us a wave from over there on the far left.
11
22/01/2021 10:43:45 11 2
bbc
There is a Nissan story published. Saying that everything remains the same as before Brexit. No change to what they already had, no new investment, just not disinvestment.
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22/01/2021 10:58:15 1 2
bbc
Is that the same Nisan that said it will close business should there be barriers.
154
22/01/2021 11:28:37 2 1
bbc
So are you suggesting that a business not closing due to being able to comply with new trade rules on local content is a Brexit benefit?
158
22/01/2021 11:29:23 2 1
bbc
The one that recently trailed along in the bottom handful of manufacturers in terms of reliability for 2019-20?

Yeah I can't imagine they would compete well in the EU market, so they may as well stick with the much smaller market in the UK and try to sell to gullible kwitters on the back of being British made.
39
22/01/2021 10:52:15 8 12
bbc
Buy British is the answer!
64
22/01/2021 10:58:23 2 1
bbc
And the last time you viewed the wonderful array of goods made in the Britain with British Materials was....?
48
22/01/2021 10:54:55 6 3
bbc
EU bureaucrats are elected.
65
Kai
22/01/2021 10:58:34 1 1
bbc
By the population?
66
22/01/2021 10:58:47 130 21
bbc
I expect this will have an effect on our Balance of Payments position - yes we are dependent on what we sell in the world. Oh the mistake of BREXIT....
715
22/01/2021 14:19:32 17 19
bbc
assuming the tariffs are in both directions , BoT will improve. How much is the German car industry down in last year ?
22/01/2021 19:04:53 1 8
bbc
Oh, the boring comments of Remoaners.
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22/01/2021 10:50:53 96 21
bbc
MrBlueSky

"There is no evidence to support this claim from a guy I have never heard of from an organisation I have never heard of."

Evidence? I thought you brexit lot don't need evidence?
We still don't know what the benefits of brexit might be...
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22/01/2021 10:58:56 16 65
bbc
SOVEREIGNTY! ??
311
22/01/2021 12:14:31 25 3
bbc
So Spain, France, Germany, Denmark etc do not have any sovereignty ? Poor deluded little man that you are.
798
22/01/2021 14:37:46 7 2
bbc
This was probably the only reasonable excuse for Brexit. But have you considered how sovereignty is actually derived? We are independent now so we can make any laws! Sure. As long as we don't want to trade with many or any countries, and as long as we don't mind sky high government debt repayments. I think sovereignty in a neo-liberal world is a myth. The sovereigns are orgs like the IMF.
965
22/01/2021 15:10:32 10 1
bbc
How can something we already had be a benefit?
22/01/2021 15:21:48 9 1
bbc
Exactly what sovereign rights have we gained, a blue passport printed by a French company in Poland? Ability to control our borders? How's that going, the Tory press complained when France closed it's borders to the UK, what an irony. Ability to set our own laws, except we've had to keep EU laws and regulations in order to be allowed to carry on trading with EU, our biggest trading partner.
22/01/2021 20:36:33 4 1
bbc
LOST control you mean.
As members our elected ministers won 90% of votes making eu rules
Now to sell anything we dare not change trading standards but have ZERO % chance to influence these ever changing safety standards.
That means we LOST sovereignty.
22/01/2021 21:22:01 2 0
bbc
Not much sign of that is there.
23/01/2021 11:32:41 2 0
bbc
Fine to set your own rules but no fun if nobody wants to play using them
23/01/2021 17:32:35 2 0
bbc
Did you actually believe that particular lie. Wow. Pity you didn't understand how the EU works. Why don
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22/01/2021 10:59:19 3 2
bbc
So it's the UKFT that said it, not the retailers themselves. If 30% of goods are returned, that needs to be addressed by the sellers - the carbon footprint of the returned goods must be huge, particularly after importing them to the UK from Bangladesh or wherever.
69
22/01/2021 10:59:37 29 3
bbc
I would have a word with the EU Ambassador regarding this.

Errmmmm......
329
22/01/2021 12:24:15 7 15
bbc
You mean the EU representative and then each countries Ambassador (because their is clearly 2 borders for the EU, external and then each countries internal one). There shouldn't be two bodies to deal with if it wants Diplomatic recognition. Sort of proves the point that the EU is just an organisation and diplomatic rights are assigned to each country within it.
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jon
22/01/2021 10:53:34 6 12
bbc
Support UK businesses. Only deal with EU firms which are competent with the paperwork at the point of sale. So we know what we will be paying. US companies can compete on this basis and EU businesses will have to adjust or loose UK sales. The same applies to UK businesses selling into the EU.
70
22/01/2021 10:59:56 1 1
bbc
Your naive arrogance is almost endearing. The majority of reported problems are about poor preparation on UK side, not EU side. Also, the majority of cost is for the UK side.

You seem to think that we can simply switch suppliers, for instance for 40% of our food? Who in the world can produce that much more food for export? Not the USA, or China. Not Zimbabwe or Paraguay.
71
MVS
22/01/2021 11:00:04 3 11
bbc
Optimists and patriots largely commenting on then Nissan deal HYS.
Pessimists and those who wish ill on the UK happy to believe that this is in any way a major story. These issues will get resolved and we will all move on.
85
22/01/2021 11:05:33 2 2
bbc
The resolve will be a huge loss of exporting businsses, their jobs and their suppliers jobs. How very PATRIOTIC OF YOU.
106
22/01/2021 11:12:40 1 1
bbc
You really have no idea at all.
33
Ian
22/01/2021 10:50:47 41 9
bbc
If this is a great deal, glad we did not have a bad one. Perhaps Boris can be impeached for lying to us all.
72
22/01/2021 11:00:40 4 42
bbc
It’s the best deal we could ever have wished for as we’ve got out SOVEREIGNTY BACK ??
120
22/01/2021 11:18:00 9 1
bbc
And exactly how useful is "sovereignty" ?
238
22/01/2021 11:51:35 6 1
bbc
For what purpose? To make the coujntry poorer?
346
22/01/2021 12:31:08 6 1
bbc
Which means what? We can all be stupid little Englanders together without EU input
22/01/2021 16:01:28 3 1
bbc
Please explain how I can use sovereignty to eat and put a roof over my head when I've lost EU customers and everyone in UK barring Tory VIP cronies are financially worse off after Brexit?
23/01/2021 08:12:11 1 0
bbc
Am I (non-British) the only one reading the sarcasm in this post?
39
22/01/2021 10:52:15 8 12
bbc
Buy British is the answer!
73
22/01/2021 11:00:45 4 1
bbc
The tried that in Harold Wilson's day. Did not work and our manufacturing base has more or less disappeared mainly Governments Tory and Labour putting too much emphasis on the financial industry and hospitality sectors.
74
22/01/2021 11:01:04 42 3
bbc
All very well the govt advising exporters to use agents to do the paperwork - but it is another expense!

Why all this paperwork ! Surely it would have been in everyone's interest to have a free-trade zone.
79
22/01/2021 11:04:17 58 6
bbc
We had one. It was called the EU. We (stupidly) decided to leave it!
84
22/01/2021 11:05:19 14 1
bbc
We did have a free trade zone: we left the club.
227
22/01/2021 11:48:26 15 2
bbc
You mean the Single Market and the Customs Union that we actively chose to leave, despite the fact we could have stayed in both while being outside of the EU?

The option that the brexiteers told us was what they were proposing before Brexit, and then told us was never an option only after the referendum?
22/01/2021 15:52:21 0 4
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Not the EU, they have to punish the UK, you should know this already, Liam Fox told you all, though remoaners conveniently only read the first part of his comments about 'the easiest trade deal in history' - which was true, they ignored his saying the EU would not agree because of their politics, if the UK isn't punished Italexit is probably next up.
22/01/2021 16:29:16 1 1
bbc
Like the free trade zone we used to have, you mean?
61
22/01/2021 10:58:05 2 4
bbc
The amount of stuff that gets returned is ridiculous. I'm aware it is a consumer right due to the regulations but people have taken it to extreme levels ordering so many items. Perhaps we will now shop locally, rather than ordering a pair of socks from the other side of the continent ?
75
22/01/2021 11:01:14 8 2
bbc
And the 'local' shop gets its merchandise from where exactly? I'll give you a clue: it is not from the powerhouse of the north.
76
22/01/2021 11:02:52 3 8
bbc
Welcome to another HYS riddled with verbs in the conditional tense. As the article points out, “ retailers in the UK and Europe .... are still adapting to the rules”. Perhaps we should reserve judgement until things have settled down.
101
22/01/2021 11:10:04 4 2
bbc
"Perhaps we should reserve judgement until things have settled down." ..? Do you not realise that this is it, reality, how it will be from now on .. how else do you wish it explained? The PM and his ERG profiteers have sold you a big lie. And now we will all have to pay more for the same goods & services .. we will suffer and our children & grandchildren. Turkeys voted for Xmas!!
77
22/01/2021 11:02:57 6 5
bbc
Diddleypete

"Perhaps a carbon footprint indication of how much your imported goods (whether EU, RoW, or export from UK) are helping to destroy the planet."

You DO realise that 60% of our food is imported, don't you? Shall we just stop eating? It would do miracles for the environment.
206
22/01/2021 11:34:29 1 3
bbc
Yes, & how much of it is necessary imports? How much of the imported food is wasted?
The point im making which seems to have missed you is for the sake of the planet we need to be importing things that are necessary, not just because we can!
1
22/01/2021 10:38:16 6 8
bbc
'Wonderif' this is a two way street?

Prsumably, this happens to goods coming into the UK.

A one sided newspeice?
78
22/01/2021 11:03:16 0 1
bbc
It does, but that is for EU business leaders and governments to worry about.
74
22/01/2021 11:01:04 42 3
bbc
All very well the govt advising exporters to use agents to do the paperwork - but it is another expense!

Why all this paperwork ! Surely it would have been in everyone's interest to have a free-trade zone.
79
22/01/2021 11:04:17 58 6
bbc
We had one. It was called the EU. We (stupidly) decided to leave it!
22/01/2021 15:53:55 0 2
bbc
Only a remoaner would claim that, even with the poor deal Boris got us, it is better than still being in, as the Frugal Five will tell you, they are being asked to stand surety for Southern Europe's debts & their voters aren't happy.
80
22/01/2021 11:04:39 53 7
bbc
The impact on me to date is a reduction in choice and an increase in costs. Can somebody who “knew what they were voting for” tell me what is meant by the ‘Brexit bonus’?
251
22/01/2021 11:55:31 48 5
bbc
The ability for wealthy Tory brexiteers to continue offering financial services to foreign oligarchs and criminals to enable them to launder money and evade taxes via the UK. Such activities would have been severely impacted by new EU rules on financial openness.
Had you not wondered why so many of these types were willing to fund vote leave so generously?
513
22/01/2021 13:28:25 3 1
bbc
blue passport... which may or not be actually blue.
22/01/2021 15:47:48 0 6
bbc
Vaccinations. For Sunderland, Nissan's expansion, for BMW & PSA workers more investment & Unilever, more HQ jobs, for HSBC, Paris derivative work coming to London, I could go on but you'd ignore it anyway.
1
22/01/2021 10:38:16 6 8
bbc
'Wonderif' this is a two way street?

Prsumably, this happens to goods coming into the UK.

A one sided newspeice?
81
22/01/2021 11:04:50 0 1
bbc
Do you then think our papers should write about what China and Russia is saying about us too?
82
22/01/2021 11:05:06 20 5
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Jaykay

"Perhaps we should reserve judgement until things have settled down."

Nope. That would only be reasonable if the brexiteers could indicate some expected benefit from brexit, but they can't. The only sensible reaction is really to undo brexit as soon as possible and limit any further damage. There are only negatives to brexit, no positives.
22/01/2021 16:03:16 0 6
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being out of the coming Eurozone disaster is one benefit, but then I wouldn't expect a Europhile to think that.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/11/new-poverty-hits-europe?minutetv=true
22/01/2021 16:04:55 1 1
bbc
But but but sovereignty (France closed borders to UK and Tory press cried foul), blue passport (French company, produced in Poland), they will feed and shelter us.
83
22/01/2021 11:05:12 119 9
bbc
You lot are just a bunch of complainers have you all forgotten that we are getting shiny new blue passports.
95
22/01/2021 11:07:52 44 4
bbc
Black passports :)
104
22/01/2021 11:11:50 26 2
bbc
And said passports are going to be made in France, in case anyone had forgotten.
137
22/01/2021 11:12:35 23 2
bbc
Yeah and you can't go any where with them
153
22/01/2021 11:28:17 31 2
bbc
Ah... contract went to a Company in France, who print them in Poland.
170 jobs lost at security printers Thomas de la rue in Gateshead.
When will the Eu admit... they have been trying to keep a straight face and just laugh out loud!
178
22/01/2021 11:35:01 18 3
bbc
Black passports. Made is the EU. That must really gripe with Brexiteers.
189
22/01/2021 11:37:15 19 2
bbc
Actually for me this is the only benefit of Brexit. As a dual national It will help me tell my passports apart. Other than that I got screwed double by being in a weaker UK and weaker Europe.
603
22/01/2021 13:50:23 15 2
bbc
Well my passport is still maroon with European Union written on the front and doesn't expire until 2028. With a bit of luck its replacement will be the same.
710
22/01/2021 14:18:23 11 1
bbc
"...shiny new blue passports."

And free unicorns...don't forget the free unicorns.

BTW, anyone know when our unicorns are arriving? I don't want to come home from work and find DPD have dumped mine in the recycling bin, like they did with my new camera.
22/01/2021 17:33:28 2 1
bbc
Made in France!
22/01/2021 21:47:48 0 0
bbc
I've got a shiney new red one that's valid for 9 years
23/01/2021 17:30:11 1 0
bbc
And they are not worth as much as our EU passports.
74
22/01/2021 11:01:04 42 3
bbc
All very well the govt advising exporters to use agents to do the paperwork - but it is another expense!

Why all this paperwork ! Surely it would have been in everyone's interest to have a free-trade zone.
84
22/01/2021 11:05:19 14 1
bbc
We did have a free trade zone: we left the club.
71
MVS
22/01/2021 11:00:04 3 11
bbc
Optimists and patriots largely commenting on then Nissan deal HYS.
Pessimists and those who wish ill on the UK happy to believe that this is in any way a major story. These issues will get resolved and we will all move on.
85
22/01/2021 11:05:33 2 2
bbc
The resolve will be a huge loss of exporting businsses, their jobs and their suppliers jobs. How very PATRIOTIC OF YOU.
86
22/01/2021 10:59:51 1 7
bbc
Congratulations to the EU for the increase in pollution just to make a point.
87
22/01/2021 11:05:58 4 6
bbc
Why don't you all swap over to a much much more important Brexit story on the Nissan plant at Sunderland???
105
22/01/2021 11:12:24 5 1
bbc
Just wait until they need to import a key widget that is made in Germany. Problem? Yup.
88
22/01/2021 11:06:13 45 7
bbc
Do leavers now understand the benefits of being in the Single Market and Customs Union, or are you still saying that we got nothing back for being an EU member.

Look at it another way, pre BREXIT we paid around £75 per person per year out of our tax to the EU for membership. Now we have in effect had a massive indirect Tax hike in the form of Customs duties. Already this year it's cost me >£75
681
22/01/2021 14:12:40 6 16
bbc
How? If you are implying you import a lot of stuff from Europe, then the VAT that would have been paid there is now .. not. Ever thought of spending your money in the UK? Or going to live in the EU?
89
22/01/2021 11:06:41 198 39
bbc
I can't help feeling that there is little difference between the mentality of Trump supporters & Brexiteers - they both have blind faith in incompetent leaders.
102
22/01/2021 11:10:22 127 22
bbc
I totally agree. Clear parallels.
259
22/01/2021 11:58:03 28 7
bbc
Read the 14 points of fascism by Umberto Eco, it will explain a lot about why they are so similar.
449
22/01/2021 13:11:54 19 4
bbc
I gather both the Repubicans and UKIP were involved with Cambridge Analytica....
997
22/01/2021 15:16:47 16 2
bbc
They are the same breed . Either Rich enough to exploit it or dumb enough to belive those rich criminals will be there for them.
22/01/2021 19:01:48 1 12
bbc
Another Remainer claiming to be more intelligent and better educated than Leave supporters. I have read many such posts, breathtaking in their arrogance, as well as wrong.
32
22/01/2021 10:50:40 6 7
bbc
As an Irish man We all got a bad deal i could totally understand the U.K mindset in wanting to leave an E.U ruled by Germany and France and told what to do by Unelected burucracts. Its just a shame a descent deal was reached for both sides because this one sucks for all of us.
90
22/01/2021 11:06:43 0 1
bbc
You don’t say whether your a northern or southern Irishman but it’s looking very much like unification of Ireland isn’t many years away, demographics might be the tipping point so you’ll be back in EU by default, if EU still exists that is??
91
22/01/2021 11:06:44 7 4
bbc
Everything this government does seems to be targeted at destroying the UK's commerce.

Are we quite sure Johnson et al aren't working for Putin?
92
22/01/2021 11:06:57 40 6
bbc
"The government will continue to work closely with businesses to ensure they are able to trade less effectively under the new rules."

That's Brexit in a nutshell.
93
22/01/2021 11:07:12 4 10
bbc
It’s perfectly ok for people to have different opinions on Brexit. But whether a publicly funded media body should take an editorial position and seek to prolong the division is open to debate.
103
22/01/2021 11:10:37 8 2
bbc
It's not an editorial. It is fact: There are massive problems with trade both ways and it is impacting customers, hauliers and business.
94
22/01/2021 11:07:50 3 12
bbc
If the EU wishes to sabotage and boycott the U.K. it will be them who lose.

The U.K. has a £80 billion trade deficit with the EU.

Time to take our custom elsewhere or buy better British alternatives.
107
22/01/2021 11:13:23 7 1
bbc
Fool. It's the WTO rules that cause this, not the EU. The same rules apply to our trade with the rest of the world. We simply lost the free trade with the EU, because we voted for that!

The EU would have preferred us to stay in the single market, without ANY of these unnecessary trade barriers. Unfortunately, we live in a country with a large amount of ignorant xenophobic bigots.
108
22/01/2021 11:14:43 3 2
bbc
What are you 5 years old? Of course we will continue to buy European wine, chamapgne and cheese and cars. Who wants a Leaf? Who wants a Luton van? We want a BMW, Audi or Merc. There are literally no better British alternatives unless you want nanotechnology, sustaninable windmill, a satelite, aerospace parts. You live in 1952. Its 2021.
146
22/01/2021 11:26:34 3 1
bbc
We are the problem - not the EU - always have been. These are not teething problems - this is going to be more like a lifetime of expensive dentist's bills. :-)
83
22/01/2021 11:05:12 119 9
bbc
You lot are just a bunch of complainers have you all forgotten that we are getting shiny new blue passports.
95
22/01/2021 11:07:52 44 4
bbc
Black passports :)
581
22/01/2021 13:45:21 8 2
bbc
Actually they are not quite black, they are (very) dark blue. They are the same colour as the UK ones used to be.
I know this as I still have my old UK passport. I kept it as a relic, the cover being a metaphoric reminder of the dark days of being cut off from everywhere.
I'll keep my EU-coloured one when I renew to remind me of the brighter days (of just needing to show the cover) we have lost :(
96
22/01/2021 11:08:37 15 1
bbc
The cost of doing business between the UK and EU has been increased substantially by all those non-tariff barriers that so clearly didn't feature in the TCA -UK red lines caused that - Boris did spell out the effects on business in two-word gutter terminology. Of course at the end of the day it is us as consumers that will pay as is becoming clear too. Too bad one of the two words wasn't Brexit.
97
22/01/2021 11:08:43 2 4
bbc
So the clothes are worth less than the cost of postage. I wouldn't be admitting that!
109
22/01/2021 11:15:09 6 2
bbc
Two lots of postage, two lots of customs, two lots of handling charges, two lots of paperwork. The cost soon escalates beyond the initial production cost of the clothes and the margin of profit.
5
22/01/2021 10:40:54 79 16
bbc
Easiest deal in history they said.
We hold all the cards they said
They will have to give us what we want they said
Have our cake and eat it they said

All the promises of sunlit uplands,
All the painting of the warnings of what would happen by remainers as 'project fear'
All of it now proven to be outright lies.

But at least the money launderers and tax evaders can carry on as normal...
98
22/01/2021 11:09:33 13 58
bbc
The EU is proving that the leavers were most likely RIGHT.
183
22/01/2021 11:36:21 16 2
bbc
Where do I send the bill for the dented floor, where I fell off my chair laughing at that?
235
22/01/2021 11:50:29 12 4
bbc
Only in terms of their political alignment, and in that case mostly far-right.
939
22/01/2021 15:05:52 5 1
bbc
Show us this proof.
99
22/01/2021 11:01:33 60 3
bbc
There has not been one positive story come out of this world beating deal yet and its very noticeable that Boris and Co are not lording all the advantages of Brexit its all being conveniently buried in covid because there are none
This isn't the sunny uplands it's more like walking into a bog
124
J
22/01/2021 11:19:31 19 54
bbc
Nissan just announced an expansion of car manufacturing due to the Brexit deal, worth approximately 10,000 time more than than this irrelevant drivel. You people are like a cult.
271
22/01/2021 12:01:40 2 1
bbc
in the rain
614
22/01/2021 13:54:06 6 1
bbc
Wrong. There are some absolutely fantastic career opportunities in the post Brexit world. Take being a customs agent for instance.
10
22/01/2021 10:43:42 222 38
bbc
Taking back control...

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.... (falls off chair foaming at the mouth)

What a disaster
100
22/01/2021 11:02:10 32 168
bbc
yes lets be in an organisation that demand to have the same diplomatic status as countries just so you can save on tat.

bravo
134
22/01/2021 11:21:55 46 4
bbc
The rest of the world treats EU ambassadors that way and for good reasons. THE. REST. OF. THE. WHOLE. WORLD..... why are we being so petty?
157
22/01/2021 11:28:55 42 3
bbc
You mean an organisation where we were involved in setting up the diplomatic
status?
268
22/01/2021 12:00:30 44 3
bbc
You can't have it both ways. According to leavers the EU supplanted our sovereignty, now you are saying it is not a sovereign body.

Inconsistent and hypocritical
618
22/01/2021 13:55:03 2 3
bbc
lol,
another froth at tory tabloid lies.
The EU do NOT have diplomats - they are marketing and trade envoys..
stop believing the tory lies.
23/01/2021 17:25:43 1 0
bbc
Britain agreed to the status for the EU representatives years ago along with most of the other countries in the world, Bozo has always known that brexit would be bad for Britain, remember he and Farage told most of the lies that have now made all of us poorer, and both of them stirred up racial hatred.