UK Covid deaths: Why the 100,000 toll is so bad
26/01/2021 | news | health | 7,254
As the number of people who died reaches six figures, the factors that led to this terrible total.
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The government failed on so many issues. Not quarantining incoming travellers, not banning incoming travellers from hotspots, the woeful trace programme, not implementing a lockdown sooner.

It's easy to say these things with hindsight, but why did all of these take so long when it was obvious other countries were doing it and it was working? Madness.
You forgot to mention Anti lockdown protest, Uni students partying and some refuse to wear mask. Some will still say 100000 is not true. Removed
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26/01/2021 17:42:11 75 25
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Releasing the first lockdown too early based largely on London, the North suffered from that decision.
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26/01/2021 17:45:24 153 34
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The article starts with there are no quick answers....here’s one. Shut your borders. It wouldn’t have been hard as the UK is surrounded by sea. That’s exactly what 2 of the 3 crown dependencies did back on March 2020, been living life normally, kept their people safe and economies not impacted anything like the UK. No hindsight needed....it was just common sense.
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26/01/2021 17:51:26 67 11
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Avondale47
conradk. Regardless what any government does or says it is down to the public to adhere to safety rules. I agree with christyjeb
No not really Covid primary cause of death likely to be 10 to 15,000. Similar to the flu.
The stupid measures imposed we should be protesting about
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26/01/2021 17:55:09 95 14
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We individually have our responsibility to fight this virus we can't blame it all on the generals.
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Bob
26/01/2021 17:55:30 12 5
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In the beginning South Korea was HYS'ers go-to country for saying 'contact tracing should be like this'. In reality we were using that type of tracing. The problem is, when you have too many cases it is impractical to perform, and your time is better spent on other measures. That's why we stopped doing it.

SK experienced this themselves a few months ago when their cases spiralled.
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26/01/2021 17:55:41 12 6
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Travel was easy across all of Europe in March. I went to Norway, Holland, Denmark (twice) - while I was infected. Borders were open in most places. Skiers were still coming back from N.Italy in March. Cheltenham Festival wasn't banned in March and Sadiq Khan was telling everyone that it was safe to use public transport in London. Most travel in the EU became difficult in April, but not banned.
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26/01/2021 18:00:48 8 4
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Governments (multiple) don’t forget the devolved government’s while we’re all pointing fingers.
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26/01/2021 18:05:34 19 6
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Sorry buy the public are not following the track and trace program. Imagine if we had put a trace on your phone or an ankle tag on you to track you? or like the Chinese who locked people up! Easy to blame politicians but you need to look at the public. People like Piers are stirring up hate for views as he doesn't really care about me or you lets be honest!
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26/01/2021 18:09:54 1 5
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Plenty of people said it at the time. Sadly the so called opposition didn’t
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26/01/2021 18:09:29 9 7
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The government didn’t fail at all.

The public do not need to wait for “instructions” from government to take precautions.

If the UK claims to be a democracy, act like one rather than insisting we should be relying on government orders like a dictatorship
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26/01/2021 18:27:55 0 1
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There have been mistakes and there would have been by any governing power. Look at the unrest in Europe and worldwide. This is a pandemic not known to mankind before.
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26/01/2021 18:28:59 2 8
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Demi-God Chris Whitty refused to support the restriction of flights early on, he said masks were of little use, then insisted we wear them when death rate was at almost zero. Sweden remains the perfect control, but it is ignored. 87% of them live in densely populated urban areas. They don't all live in forests and beside lakes.
26/01/2021 18:35:54 9 0
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The government did fail and if the advisors got it wrong they should go and if it was politics that lead us to these deaths as I expect the the PM should step down in shame.
MOT
26/01/2021 18:36:04 2 10
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U an expert Conrad. Blame China if anyone. Not the governments fault.
26/01/2021 18:37:23 8 0
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Not to mention things like not implementing the circuit breaker lockdown, when advised by SAGE. Esssentially ignoring their own scientific advisors as they didn't like what they were saying.
26/01/2021 18:41:17 0 5
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20:20 hindsight - such a wonderful thing!
LH
26/01/2021 18:42:08 0 0
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Have you red the article??
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26/01/2021 17:35:17 478 41
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I think the key thing to take from this is that this milestone was not caused by one single cause, but a combination of many different things coming together, including policies, geography, weather, behaviour and economic composition, etc.

Ultimately a public inquiry will try to conclude all the things that did and to what extent each played a part.
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26/01/2021 17:41:10 67 87
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...and then what....!!
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26/01/2021 17:45:08 20 23
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It's a lot simpler than that: Weak lockdown too late, Track and Trace not fit for purpose and failing to support low-paid to self-isolate
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26/01/2021 17:47:44 5 10
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0.143 % of the population in a year?
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26/01/2021 17:48:33 6 12
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Agree we need a public inquiry. This disaster can never happen again. As it stands we only have one response Total lock down. This cannot be the response every time.
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26/01/2021 17:52:16 28 20
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Yeah, complicated innit? Especially when you deliberately miss out the two biggest negative factors, an incompetent government and chumocracy private sector contracts?.
And the only success, that unionised, centralised, public sector, socialist NHS you Tory excusers love to criticise and underfund...but that is saving so many of you.
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26/01/2021 18:00:01 2 3
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Yes, you have it, no one could have seen this, all was a risk.
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26/01/2021 18:09:33 2 1
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In what way does behaviour cause more deaths per 100,000 infections than in other countries ?
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26/01/2021 18:09:38 4 0
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A lot of time and money will be wasted on a public enquiry where the old chestnut "lessons will be learned" will be rolled out and we all know what that means.
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26/01/2021 18:10:53 3 4
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It is actualy a lot simpler than that we have an extemly high poulation density blame goverment policy over the years for increasing the population
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LS6
26/01/2021 18:12:33 4 0
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One thing which I guarantee will come out afterwards in years to come is that we will not have learned anything from this terrible tragedy.
We NEVER learn.
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26/01/2021 18:23:58 2 1
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The public inquiry should look at the devolved governments within the UK. Its all very well to blame the huge mistakes on the UK government but there have been many done in my country Wales & Scotland. Both the UK government & devolved governments must be held accountable for they part in this human tragedy. Lessons must be learn if God forbid we have another one we must be prepare better
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26/01/2021 18:31:00 2 0
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Followed scientific advice but should've been tougher on people coming into country.

Completely closed border since March 20 would be unacceptable & ruin economy further, but a middle ground was doable.

Impossible to compare with many countries though due to amounts of testing of asymptomatic people & some countries not as clear with figures.

Plus debate on died with covid rather than because..
26/01/2021 18:33:34 3 0
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Oh yeah a public enquiry in which we will get that well worn phrase "lessons learned" and yet they never are
26/01/2021 18:36:52 1 0
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Great Article! Great summing up.
26/01/2021 19:03:27 3 0
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More importantly - timely identify the Lessons to be Learnt and put in place a RIGID FRAMEWORK we as country will RIGIDLY ENFORCE REGARDLESS from DAY-1. Closing Borders immediately. Rigid Enforcement of Quarantine. Rigid Enforcement of Lockdown. Limiting the number of people out and about. Wearing a mask or face shield indoors and outdoors regardless. Way too many were allowed to push boundaries.
26/01/2021 19:10:15 3 0
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A public inquiry will take 10 years cost millions and blame nobody. Who ever leads it will receive his or her knighthood or life peerage a few years later. Do you honestly believe anyone will ever be held to account for this debacle?
26/01/2021 19:23:31 3 1
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Of course, if the Tories had not treated this virus in the blasé way they did, and still are to a large degree because of their faith in the discredited herd-immunity policy, we would not be in the position we are.

Australia came out of their winter with new daily cases in single figures, whereas we came out of our summer with hundreds of new daily cases.

Bozo & his patriotic beach swampers, eh?
26/01/2021 19:23:59 2 0
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Ultimately a lot of lawyers will make a lot of money out of a public inquiry which will keep them employed for years on taxpayers money with very little to show for it.
26/01/2021 19:26:16 3 1
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Whatever you say the outcome will be a very bad reflection on a government that has failed at most steps - utter competence
26/01/2021 19:56:17 2 1
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That's true for anything, any decision has millions of potential factors. I'd say the government still retains primary responsibility for this scenario, it's their job to deal with events such as a pandemic, they failed.
26/01/2021 20:23:13 0 0
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Oh really . So we can have the usual millions spent and the usual 'lessons learnt ' ...until the next time
26/01/2021 20:39:11 0 0
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And will it be independent and how many years before it will be held. Put a bet on it will not be held before the next GE
27/01/2021 02:49:48 0 0
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Will the public enquiry be a whitewash?
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26/01/2021 17:36:06 3 3
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It's not because we're an island.
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26/01/2021 17:36:20 44 38
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Two words....Clown Bunter
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26/01/2021 17:42:30 23 21
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Don't be childish
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26/01/2021 17:36:27 144 128
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Because we have a group of incompetent poshes which we call the government.
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26/01/2021 17:43:13 170 21
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Sami,
Why do you feel the need to refer to people as posh? They are either incompetent or not. It doesn’t matter if they are posh or not. (Just for reference what is a posh person? Who decides if they are posh or not? Is it just someone you have a chip on your shoulder about?)
Thankfully I was brought up in a working class family where I was taught to treat everyone as I found them.
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26/01/2021 17:51:59 22 3
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Anyone can make a detrimental comment about another when you are seen to be 'punching upwards'...but if a so called 'posh' person called you working class with the same pejorative undertone then you'd accuse them of being entirely out of order because they'll be seen to be 'punching downwards'.

Either way, it's the same in every country in the world...the educated will be in the seats of power.
26/01/2021 18:38:27 7 1
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If you think you can do better stand for Parliament yourself. Its all very well making comments it must harder when you actually there.
joy
26/01/2021 19:04:21 3 0
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A majority of us put them there. That means we are to blame.
27/01/2021 00:27:29 0 1
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and what is EUropes excuse?
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26/01/2021 17:36:33 606 75
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Simply because people are stupid and easily led by the media and Facebook experts
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26/01/2021 17:44:55 1116 60
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Lenny - I think think that the worst mistake the Government made was to assume that the British people would display some form of common sense. Unfortunately, we have seen a proliferation in the 'I am entitled' mindset and this has resulted in the lack of compliance with advice. You are right in your observation that social media has played a part in this.
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26/01/2021 18:05:58 2 19
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anyone who says simply
is a bit simply
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26/01/2021 18:11:55 16 28
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Led by an incompetent government that flouted their own rules, without sanction and set the worst possible example; which sadly, too many followed; feeling they were being given licence to do so...
26/01/2021 18:33:26 1 2
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All those 80+ year olds in care homes say on Facebook all day. Makes sense. ??
26/01/2021 19:22:28 0 1
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Seems you are.
26/01/2021 19:50:24 0 0
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The first five words.............
26/01/2021 19:55:10 2 0
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And the doom and gloom that is Laura kunsberg!!!
26/01/2021 20:36:19 0 0
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Just like brexit then.
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26/01/2021 17:37:47 11 33
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Can someone please enlighten us, as to what is the constructive purpose of news media berating the PM and his team at coronavirus briefings?
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26/01/2021 17:39:28 20 4
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It's called holding them to account, it's the role of a free press.
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26/01/2021 17:43:05 5 1
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It is called being called to account for their actions. Move to North Korea if you would refer a dictatorship which is above question.
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26/01/2021 17:43:44 3 2
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The government should be held accountable for these deaths.
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26/01/2021 17:42:41 4 2
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The job of the media is to hold the government to account, not to be propaganda agents.
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26/01/2021 17:37:33 33 24
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Because we count figures correctly and dont lie?????
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joe
26/01/2021 17:48:33 6 7
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Actually that might not be the case. The 28 day rule is used to count Covid deaths . So if someone dies of cancer or other terminal illnesses and contract Covid 19 it's on the death certificate as Covid 19
Last October the changed on recording deaths with no address from relatives.
How many people have died of to the flu? Numonia? In the stats very few. Be careful what you are told
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26/01/2021 17:49:18 3 1
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On 17 March 2020, Sir Patrick Vallance, the government's chief scientific adviser, said keeping the number of UK deaths below 20,000 would be a "good result" from the COVID-19 pandemic.

Missing your target completely and having an additional 80,000 unplanned deaths is a sign of something other than counting correctly.
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26/01/2021 17:38:11 289 186
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Combination ofinept government and years of NHS underfunding
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26/01/2021 17:41:22 404 280
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NHS underfunding? No amount of money is ever enough for the NHS. If we gave them 10 trillion pounds a week, they'd still come back asking for more.
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26/01/2021 17:51:01 46 30
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NHS underfunding? talk about something only if you know what you’re on about! There’s been plenty of funding the problem is how the NHS big wigs have distributed that money! They should be locked up!
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26/01/2021 17:52:22 33 32
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Except there has n't been years of NHS underfunding. NHS has had real increases continually often in time of financial difficulty at the expense of other services (police, councils etc).
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26/01/2021 17:54:35 81 5
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And aging population.

And an obese nation.

And chronic overcrowding in large parts of the country.

And selfish, irresponsible party goers.

And religious fundamentalists putting their religion before the wellbeing of others.

And idiots, in their masses, falling for conspiracy junk

Yes, the government have been inept BUT they weren't alone in that. We have to look at ourselves as a nation
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26/01/2021 18:13:16 13 0
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To several of those on this thread: compare health spending as a percentage of GNP in the UK and, say, the USA, Germany and France. (And when it comes to the USA, consider the outcome, in terms of life expectancy etc.) It's clear that the NHS should receive more money; and that more should be spent on public health. Even from a market p.o.v.: a fit healthy population can work harder and better.
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26/01/2021 18:22:29 6 9
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Underfunded or pen pushing managers on treble wages and money being wasted like a running a tap?
26/01/2021 23:53:47 1 0
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Spot on
And the fact that Johnson was too lazy or too busy entertaining Jennifer Arcuri to bother attending COBRA meetings when this virus first arrived at our shores. If he had done the job properly. The job we pay him to do, Britain would not be in such dire straights
26/01/2021 23:56:24 0 0
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According to their own figures the NHS has NOT been overwhelmed and during the 72,000+ excess deaths 10 months ago, the NHS was actually less stressed than during normal flu seasons. The data and the message are not adding up.
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26/01/2021 17:38:25 192 16
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The Pandemic is not over, many countries are still battling this
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26/01/2021 17:47:22 203 116
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It's incredible that the BBC should compare our situation to Australia and Poland, and ignore the Swedish elephant in the room; which is the only relevant control in the Lockdown experiment.
Whilst I understand the palpable desire to see Sweden fail (if all our sacrifice is in vain, it’s a tough pill to swallow), it’s vital for the future that we study it closely as LD should only be a last resort
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26/01/2021 17:49:25 27 24
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It’s often said, Sweden isn’t a good comparison, but actually 80% of the population live in the bottom third of the country and it’s similarly urbanised (actually slightly more, 87.7% vs 83.4%) and the capital Stockholm has a similar population density to London.
And most importantly all their indicators are sharply down.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
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26/01/2021 18:13:36 0 0
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Including the UK.

The vaccine brilliant as it is/appears will only bring those with minimal protection up to a minimum "high" level of protection (whatever that may be) at present which will hopefully in the medium term mean that the effects of these variants are minimal and their impact much reduced - when there is another "major" outbreak-which there will be at some point soon in the future.
26/01/2021 19:31:29 3 3
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It's over for me
26/01/2021 21:17:26 0 0
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No! Surely it is only Boris and Britain?!
GR
27/01/2021 07:37:57 0 0
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Agree. When this is all over the Uk will not look as bad as it does, there’s still a long way to go

The true measure is excess deaths and I suspect there will not be a lot different between the Uk and other developed countries
27/01/2021 08:51:52 0 0
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Not over? It's getting worse!
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26/01/2021 17:38:39 50 43
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Boris and Hancock have killed tens of thousands because they are bungling incompetents.
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26/01/2021 17:46:36 15 15
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I wouldn’t trust either of them to count paper clips in a stationary department
Because they’d blame everybody else for getting it wrong
26/01/2021 20:38:09 1 0
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Tory MP's and Tory voters will never be able to wash all the blood off their hands
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26/01/2021 17:38:40 33 27
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The whole lot of them should be up in court
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26/01/2021 17:43:14 29 3
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Including Anti lockdown protesters and people partying
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26/01/2021 17:38:41 16 16
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Anti lockdown protest and university students partying
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26/01/2021 17:43:11 3 3
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Old people going to the supermarket, using public transport, visiting the GP, going outside for a walk, seeing their grandchildren, going to hospital for other reasons, lockdown protest and partying with students.
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26/01/2021 17:41:13 1 3
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Yeah, right. Not Johnson skipping Cobra meetings, letting Cummings make a farce of the first lockdown, not closing schools in the second lockdown, not closing the borders etc then?
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26/01/2021 17:39:02 329 117
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IF only the public had done what they were told to do!
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26/01/2021 17:44:17 273 93
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so that fact that the government sent thousands back to care homes to free up hospital beds without testing them has nothing to do with it, please wake up
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26/01/2021 17:46:27 1 2
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You didn't do it right, so your fault.
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26/01/2021 17:49:20 10 8
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If the government had workable policies.
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26/01/2021 17:53:55 17 3
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How many do you think broke the rules and to what degree to get 100000 dead????

I mean, Taiwan is next door to china and had open boarders until March 19 so plenty of time for Covid to get in, didn't even have an official lockdown yet only had 7 deaths. It's almost like there's other factors at play?
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26/01/2021 18:02:31 3 17
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If only the government had enforced the first lockdown. The public could not be trusted. This we already knew because of Brexit - the government never expected that. Why did they imagine that the public would behave? Martial law and a 6 month lockdown enforced by the army was the only viable solution, but Johnson and his cronies never had the stomach for it. By contrast, it worked in China...
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26/01/2021 18:09:19 10 6
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Yeah - shake hands with Covid patients. Boris said it was fine while other islands were closing their borders.
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26/01/2021 18:11:27 11 11
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If only the Government had given clear messages and had led by example you mean?
26/01/2021 19:19:46 2 1
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The majority of the public have done their best to follow the tier rules. The main-stream media has for political reasons given a lot of coverage to bad behaviour by small groups of people to shift blame onto individuals and take the spotlight off the government's systemic incompetence and corruption.
26/01/2021 19:53:14 0 3
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The public DID do what they were told to do. Most of us don't know a single person who had this, and their friends and relatives didn't know of anyone, nor did their relative know of anyone. Point is our deaths are no higher than would be expected. Exactly the same as in Canada where doctors have written letters saying the same, that hospitals are not overfilled and deaths not excessive.
26/01/2021 20:04:29 2 1
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if only we didn't have a completely incompetent government!
26/01/2021 20:04:32 1 0
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The majority did.
26/01/2021 21:56:52 0 0
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If only the government had led by example.

Hit hardest the friends, relations and colleagues that break the rules. The rest of the country is much more likely to obey the rules then instead of saying ‘if they can why shouldn’t I”
26/01/2021 23:16:48 0 1
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baaah baaaah little sheeple.
26/01/2021 23:37:12 1 0
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They did according to Google mobility data, the first lock-down in England and Wales respected better than Wuhan. Though as that had no effect and the eternal lock-downs started ,the % obeying has fallen.
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26/01/2021 17:39:11 21 19
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2 reasons

The density of the population and.........

The density of the population.
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26/01/2021 17:40:37 5 2
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Late lock down

Not strict lockdown
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26/01/2021 17:45:39 0 1
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Singapore population density 20446/square mile, Covid Deaths, 29. UK population density, 725/square mile. Covid deaths 100,000. Don't think it is this Chocolate starfish. Try again.
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26/01/2021 17:47:24 1 1
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I've not heard that before!
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26/01/2021 17:39:14 48 39
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Remember when the worst, worst case scenario was 50k? Those were the days. Who knew the Government would mishandle things so badly.
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26/01/2021 17:41:38 40 23
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senior Tories
trashed by Boris on his rise
knew

they all said he would find being PM way beyond his philandering, self-aggrandizing, work-shy abilities
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26/01/2021 17:45:04 1 5
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Considering between 44 and 55k people die each year because of sepsis
Which incidentally is the uk’s biggest cause of death
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26/01/2021 17:52:00 3 3
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you have a selective memory it was 500k, which fortunately was wrong
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26/01/2021 18:22:38 1 0
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actualy it was 500,000
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26/01/2021 18:29:55 0 0
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Wasn’t it 20k? If 20k would be considered a good outcome 100k must be seen as a disaster.
26/01/2021 18:31:41 0 0
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The worst case estimate at the start was 500k not 50k
Ali
26/01/2021 18:48:25 0 0
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Who knew this was going to go on for so long?
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26/01/2021 17:39:20 25 23
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Simples! This is quite the most incompetent Westminster Tory government in living (70 years) memory.
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26/01/2021 17:48:16 5 5
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It's only the governments fault. All other governments have managed the crisis perfectly fine.
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26/01/2021 17:39:25 19 13
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These Statistics cannot be taken at face value. Look at ONS age-standardised mortality as the provisional figures have been published and show that 2020 was not the worst year ever, just the worst year since 2008! The open question is how many people would have died anyway of other causes and how much Covid has accelerated people’s deaths. We have to step away from media sensationalism
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26/01/2021 17:47:06 3 11
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No death is death COVID killed 100000 people
We all need to step away from wannabe statisticians
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26/01/2021 17:39:25 26 14
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Why put the political accusatory comments first rather than after the more reasoned scientific discussion in this article?
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That's the BBC
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26/01/2021 17:58:23 2 3
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Gov have performed disgusting badly. If you can't see that then you are probably better commenting on things you might understand. The clue is the no of deaths.
26/01/2021 20:18:56 1 0
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Maybe because their the government and are supposed to be in charge. I know it's hard to tell their the ones in charge when they're all completely useless but the high covid deaths are due to them screwing things up at every available opportunity
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Dominic Cummings (before someone else says it)
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26/01/2021 17:37:47 11 33
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Can someone please enlighten us, as to what is the constructive purpose of news media berating the PM and his team at coronavirus briefings?
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26/01/2021 17:39:28 20 4
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It's called holding them to account, it's the role of a free press.
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26/01/2021 17:39:30 11 15
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I don’t think anyone could’ve done a better job regardless who was in charge.. terrible figure wouldn’t be surprised if we hit 200k by the end of the year
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26/01/2021 17:43:58 4 4
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New Zealand an island state
25, TWENTY FIVE DEATHS
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26/01/2021 17:44:47 4 2
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Nobody could have done a better job... *except* for the many other countries which *did* do a better job.
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26/01/2021 17:39:41 470 309
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Difficult decisions were not taken soon enough. Too much dithering. Johnson clearly well out of his depth. UK starting to look like a failed state.
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26/01/2021 17:42:42 456 139
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First sentence correct. Last sentence, not true. We are one of the world leaders in making the vaccine and delivery. Look at the while picture, not just the bits that suit your politics
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26/01/2021 17:53:53 43 32
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Ah yes, Johnson well out of his depth.......yes, because so many opposition politicians have direct first hand experience of governing during a devastating global pandemic. Stop wasting everyone's time with your political arguments
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What do you mean "starting"?
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Bob
26/01/2021 18:01:09 6 7
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OK Gordon.
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26/01/2021 18:09:26 21 5
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Agree but Boris was always onto a loser as if he had went into full lockdown for months everyone would have complained like hell about their liberties being taken away and completely trashing the economy where as people are complaining like hell but still construction, businesses are still continuing. Only really hospitality and travel have been totally trashed with what has happened.
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26/01/2021 18:22:45 5 0
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Don’t be childish. We’ll be first through vaccinations for a start.
The rest I won’t listen until people like you also address density, new strain and Wales and Scotland performance.
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26/01/2021 18:31:58 7 4
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Johnson & the UK government must not be made a scapegoat for all of this. The devolved governments of the UK must share the blame. The leadership in my country Wales has failed the welsh people. And Scotland leadership too must also be answerable. to this. No leader in the UK has done well
TC
26/01/2021 18:34:46 1 1
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All UK politicians are out of their depth regarding real problems in need of leadership, competent management, and ability to weigh options in quantitative manner (risk analysis). Johnson compounded this with a poorly chosen gaggle of 'scientists' when he should have turned to immense consolidated knowledge possessed by professionals in communicable disease control. He sowed and we reap chaos.
26/01/2021 18:50:40 8 2
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Anyone who imagines that, given the same medical advice and advisors, a different UK government would have made a much better fist of it, is deluding themselves. They might have made the odd different decisions - perhaps promted by different drivers, such as trade union pressures for example, but the chances of these producing any better outcomes are nil. This is not about politics.
26/01/2021 18:56:14 1 1
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Thank you Keir Starmer
26/01/2021 20:02:59 1 0
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Been listening to Gordon Brown without actually understanding him then?
26/01/2021 20:20:26 0 2
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Self inflicted injury by Government scientists and Health Secretary.
26/01/2021 21:46:30 0 0
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Anyone who thinks the government has done a good job handling Covid is simply not in tune with reality and fact. It's not about political ideology, it's about the numbers and the UK's numbers are amongst the worst in the world.
26/01/2021 23:19:37 0 0
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Remember bjs
I shook hands with everyone...
27/01/2021 01:49:10 0 0
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Totally agree. Boris et al have been completely incompetent on so many fronts. Their main focus was on getting Brexit done. Ironic that Brexit was about taking control of UK borders when clearly they have allowed COVID and new variants to run rampant throughout the country.
27/01/2021 08:47:09 0 0
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You clearly have no idea what a failed state actually looks like.
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26/01/2021 17:40:34 12 11
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I believe that the way we record stats is incorrect, I personally know several people that died off terminal illnesses but because they tested positive for covid their death was recorded as covid, we do not carry out autopsies so how on earth can we say that all these people died because they contracted covid, I am not sure how the rest of the world record these stats?
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26/01/2021 17:40:35 78 46
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Boris surrounded himself with Brexit loving lackeys, not individuals who can do their actual jobs. No one in this current government is held responsible.
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26/01/2021 17:45:54 40 45
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Haha. If only he had surrounded himself with remainers we could be waiting to celebrate our first pension to get jabbed!
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26/01/2021 17:39:11 21 19
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2 reasons

The density of the population and.........

The density of the population.
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26/01/2021 17:40:37 5 2
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Late lock down

Not strict lockdown
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26/01/2021 17:40:39 199 97
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What a tragedy, it's such horrendous news. It's a pity this government didn't get it's act together faster. Sadly 'world beating' for all the wrong reasons
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26/01/2021 17:45:11 172 95
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Should have locked down in January 2020 banned all travel and had a curfew and guess what 12-months later we'd still have the virus like the rest of the planet
26/01/2021 20:30:28 5 7
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Obviously you were perfect and didn't do anything wrong over the last year. No Parties social distancing no drinking with friends no getting together with other friends. Think on you could have been one of those people who were ASematic. In other words. Anyone of us could have been a carrier of COVID 19 without knowing it!!!!!
26/01/2021 23:58:06 2 1
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In the normal adjusted mortality per capita comparisons, we aren't world beating, we are 3rd, Belgium and Slovenia are ahead of us. Even on the daily rate that we topped recently, we are now replaced by Portugal according to Euronews.
27/01/2021 14:24:45 0 0
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The mistake we have made is to try & tell the truth. Look at the stats for other countries. Clearly the figures do not add up. The overall Worldwide death figures are sadly way higher than stated.
27/01/2021 15:05:44 0 0
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AND YOU and your lot had all the answers?? THIS WAS/IS A TOTALY NEW WORLD PROBLEM,, YES NO DOUBT!!and Australia! New Zealand! locked down fast... however the world would have been leftTOTALY DEAF! another disaster if this govt> had done like wise,,, just lookout the moans now????
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26/01/2021 17:40:54 113 63
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Government policy on the way the outbreak had been handled plus ten years of cuts to public health will be a large part of the high death rates.
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26/01/2021 18:21:38 37 26
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make that 30 years of cuts
27/01/2021 00:19:55 1 0
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or maybe just maybe, saving the NHS at the cost of sacrificing care homes? Call me old fashioned, but I thought the purpose of the NHS was to save the people, not the other way around.
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26/01/2021 17:39:25 26 14
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Why put the political accusatory comments first rather than after the more reasoned scientific discussion in this article?
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26/01/2021 17:41:06 29 16
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That's the BBC
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26/01/2021 17:35:17 478 41
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I think the key thing to take from this is that this milestone was not caused by one single cause, but a combination of many different things coming together, including policies, geography, weather, behaviour and economic composition, etc.

Ultimately a public inquiry will try to conclude all the things that did and to what extent each played a part.
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26/01/2021 17:41:10 67 87
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...and then what....!!
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26/01/2021 17:49:48 13 2
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One would hope that not if but when a new virus presents itself we will be prepared. My fear is this will not happen.
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26/01/2021 17:49:51 17 1
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Learning....to help us when (not if) this happens again
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26/01/2021 17:50:08 13 12
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If government acted illegally, hopefully they will be held to account.

If they did not act illegally, but acted in a morally bankrupt and deplorable manner, then hopefully there will be no cushy seats in the House of Lords...

If they are shown to have exceeded expectations and done a grand job, I and many others owe them a sincere apology...
26/01/2021 18:52:43 3 0
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Learn lessons that won’t be implemented, of course!
R1
26/01/2021 19:14:16 0 1
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Conclude that all the people in the UK are equally culpable for the outcome.
26/01/2021 19:49:48 1 0
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You get to vote it's a democracy...
26/01/2021 19:54:05 1 0
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pretty much my thoughts too ...and you can bet it would run on for 3 years or so and cost , what, £100m ? And , as you say, to what end ?
26/01/2021 20:00:26 2 1
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It will be years before an enquiry will report and the guilt will have already got their gongs, fat pensions and a seat in the House of Lords. The sad part about it that Boris and his shambolic cabinet actually think they have done a great job!
26/01/2021 20:03:16 0 0
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Wait until it happens again, when we find the public enquiry was a waste of time and money.
26/01/2021 20:33:08 0 0
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an official line of lessons will be learned will be trundled out ,sound familiar emphasis on last four letters of that word
26/01/2021 22:40:46 0 0
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Then we ask the lock-down covid cult fanatics to accept they have caused more deaths and destruction thanks to a cure worse than the disease.
26/01/2021 23:12:22 0 0
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then the files will be lost.
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26/01/2021 17:35:11 1275 339
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The government failed on so many issues. Not quarantining incoming travellers, not banning incoming travellers from hotspots, the woeful trace programme, not implementing a lockdown sooner.

It's easy to say these things with hindsight, but why did all of these take so long when it was obvious other countries were doing it and it was working? Madness.
You forgot to mention Anti lockdown protest, Uni students partying and some refuse to wear mask. Some will still say 100000 is not true. Removed
Some will still say 100000 is not true.

It's not true as many peole have died from covid more than 28 after being infected. Gov sneakily is pushing the 28 day figure. A better figure is deaths from covid after 60 days which addds another 3.5k+
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You didn't mention 20 million of people going to work every day...
But protest and partying cause all of the deaths... You are a ??
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26/01/2021 17:52:52 29 4
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Those factors are still within the power of government to address. They have tried to be light touch where enforcement is concerned, partly because the rules are often unclear (e.g. what counts as local area).
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26/01/2021 17:55:12 21 12
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No right to protest- come on. This is a democracy!

I think.
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26/01/2021 17:55:38 15 43
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100,000 is not true .You can test positive, recover , then die in an accident and it is still classed as a covid death .I haven't made this up.
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26/01/2021 17:39:13 4 10
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Cmon where is Catain Hindsight when u need him????
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26/01/2021 17:43:22 3 1
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It's called planning sunshine not hindsight.
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26/01/2021 17:48:24 0 1
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Captain hindsight isn't gonna be as effective as comrade Corbyn was when it comes to the right wing propaganda I'm afraid. I say this as someone in the centre who hates both parties, the right wing press did amazing turning Corbyn into the bogeyman despite his decent track record. But Starmer, the tory dressed in red.....they are struggling with. quite clever by labour
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26/01/2021 17:39:20 11 7
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It’s so high because the airports and seaports are still open, and the death rate will always climb whilst this is still the case. CLOSE ALL PORTS NOW. That’s why Australia and New Zealand have hardly any infections let alone deaths
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26/01/2021 17:46:58 1 1
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Whilst i may not disagree, the very people complaining they lost their ability to have a morning coffee with their friend in Paris will be the very ones shouting to shut the borders. If you leave Singapore as a non citizen living and working there you won’t get back in. Imagine the outrage of some Eastern European went home and wasn’t allowed back to his family in the UK.
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26/01/2021 17:39:23 7 13
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0.15% of the population. The question in the not too distant future (when people care to look at the whole picture) will be "was locking up an entire population a massive overeaction and did it cause more harm than good?"
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26/01/2021 17:54:16 1 0
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Probably both. Either way, it is and has been tragic and like you point out, will have more long term effects not just the immediate impact, but we will need to re-look at the whole of Society and tailor things for radical change which will be needed and long overdue.
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26/01/2021 17:39:28 16 18
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Why is the truth not being told? Why are Doctors, when certifying the cause of death, having to include the word 'coronavirus' on the death certificate when they and the relatives are well aware that the cause of death was not coronavirus?
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26/01/2021 17:42:56 4 6
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Go away
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26/01/2021 17:43:37 0 1
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what was it?
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26/01/2021 17:50:54 0 1
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Because then there doesn't need to be an inquest.
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26/01/2021 18:28:32 0 0
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The ONS examined the deaths figures for the first wave and 93% of those who died *with* the virus had Covid-19 as their main cause of death. The other 7% did not. What point do you think you are making?
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26/01/2021 17:38:11 289 186
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Combination ofinept government and years of NHS underfunding
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26/01/2021 17:41:22 404 280
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NHS underfunding? No amount of money is ever enough for the NHS. If we gave them 10 trillion pounds a week, they'd still come back asking for more.
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26/01/2021 17:50:41 18 15
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Ok then - mostly inept government in that case
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26/01/2021 17:50:53 30 11
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But at least we would have had some contingency. Beds were removed over the last 2 decades. A pandemic was always going to come along
Why not read an independent, international study on health systems' performance, and value for money, instead of being an ideological, whiny gi.mp? Removed
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26/01/2021 17:52:15 44 6
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Chronic underfunding over the last 10 years has resulted in 6.6 ICU beds per 100000. Germany, for instance, has 25 and a city the size of Bradford has 20.
The NHS is not underfunded... you can always spend more, but on diminishing returns. Perhaps monies could usefully be redirected from nonsense like the Tavistock Clinic! Removed
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26/01/2021 17:54:44 22 19
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Very true and most of it wasted on a massive, incompetent management.
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26/01/2021 18:09:31 3 2
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The NHS couldn't spend it. 75% goes on staff and there aren't enough!
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26/01/2021 18:19:48 6 10
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Unfortunately the nhs is a cash cow I work in a major hospital and you wouldn't belive the amount of waste that occurs ,the other day there were a large amount of lap tops in a skip 2 days later 150 new lap tops arrived
26/01/2021 18:34:23 6 11
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I agree it would not matter what amount of money it would be swallow up. We can no longer funded the NHS the same as when it was set up in 1947
26/01/2021 18:52:48 7 2
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So sad.
17,000 fewer beds since 2010.
It wasn't overfunded then.
26/01/2021 19:04:30 7 1
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£350m per week will suffice ;)
26/01/2021 19:05:15 5 6
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Totally agree. NHS needs reform and increased efficiency that will never happen now as they are the "Few" who "saved" us - by doing their job....
joy
26/01/2021 19:10:28 3 4
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The concept and set up of the NHS will never succeed in meeting expectations. Increasing population, expanding to be used by others who have not and never will contribute to the cost. Increasing knowledge. increasingly more expensive treatments and medications, and salary demands will never keep up with the contributions of those chosen to pay. A wonderful vision, but flawed from the start.
26/01/2021 19:41:28 3 0
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That’s because there is a never ending line of ill people, so yes they would use all that money for the operations and medication that they have to refuse now, because of a lack of money. Keep up.
26/01/2021 19:46:31 2 3
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Too true. 150 billion a year .NHS is not fit for purpose Covid or non covid. More managers than beds???? Germany 750 beds per 100000 population , UK - 250 beds per same. Does it add up? NO.
26/01/2021 20:03:54 6 2
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have a look at NHS funding under the Tories compared to previous governments. NHS funding has plummeted since David Cameron took over in 2010
26/01/2021 20:04:17 3 0
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Yeah, to try and save lives. How much is life worth to you?
26/01/2021 20:10:27 5 1
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10 years of cuts and chronic underfunding in the NHS is a fact, not an 'alternative fact'! Even Boris promised more money for the NHS during the last election
26/01/2021 20:27:52 0 0
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Yeah, and it would still be hopelessly disorganized, unlike health services in Germany and the Scandinavian countries.
Rob
26/01/2021 21:51:14 0 0
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Ok, but as a start, how about giving the NHS the £350 million pounds a week promised by the Brexit leave campaign?
26/01/2021 22:24:39 0 0
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before any more money is spent, we need to look at what is happening with current funding, think we will be surprised and shocked!
26/01/2021 22:40:28 0 0
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It's not purely money, it's having a reserve capacity and perhaps mothballed infectious disease units so normal hesth care could continue. After covid we will still have big numbets of excess cancer deaths and thousands with morbidity waiting for elective surgery such as knee, hip and eye surgery.
26/01/2021 22:58:28 0 0
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'They'??? How odd.
SJ
27/01/2021 00:26:49 1 0
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No. The NHS every year states what it needs, then does not get it. Pay attention please.
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26/01/2021 17:39:14 48 39
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Remember when the worst, worst case scenario was 50k? Those were the days. Who knew the Government would mishandle things so badly.
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26/01/2021 17:41:38 40 23
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senior Tories
trashed by Boris on his rise
knew

they all said he would find being PM way beyond his philandering, self-aggrandizing, work-shy abilities
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26/01/2021 18:08:50 1 1
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yes but BJ is very good at photoshoots (one way to avoid decisions?)
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26/01/2021 17:41:41 6 5
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Some will still say 100000 is a lie
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26/01/2021 17:44:43 3 3
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You need to question everything or are you just lazy.
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26/01/2021 17:41:48 385 65
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Unhealthy and overweight.
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26/01/2021 17:49:29 244 80
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The average age of death is till 82.5.

When was the last time you saw an obese octogenarian?
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26/01/2021 17:50:44 17 16
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There needs to be an emphasis upon holistic health care to prevent such things. People don't have time to cook nutritious meals. The majority are too busy working themselves to death. If nothing else, it is to be hoped Covid has had the effect of realising family values and the need to re-set Society.
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26/01/2021 17:57:36 32 0
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Absolutely. Would be interesting to get an overview of deaths on western diets and habits vs other areas of the world. Obvs there will be exceptions 'my friend was really healthy, but died' but the overall health of the nation is certainly a contributing factor.
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26/01/2021 18:17:44 3 13
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rubish no worse than france germany or italy etc its a get out from the goverment
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26/01/2021 18:22:51 2 1
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So are Germans.
26/01/2021 18:38:23 0 0
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Obesity is higher in NZ.
26/01/2021 18:42:51 0 0
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And yet Australia and NZ have high obesity and an apparent low death rate so how does that fit?
26/01/2021 19:29:55 5 1
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Being overweight is a lifestyle choice; pure and simple.

Maybe if they start denying the COVID jab to anyone with a BMI over 30 it'd encourage a few fat people to take their hand out of the cookie jar and get out for a run.
26/01/2021 20:00:53 0 0
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Are you? Its a shame its not as simple as that isn't it!
26/01/2021 20:41:51 0 0
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Must be a Coffey fan. Has she looked in the mirror.
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26/01/2021 17:41:57 295 146
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The death toll is terrible but then again, we adapted the death by association method of counting so it was never going to look good.

I've lost count of the number of stories I have heard of elderly people entering hospital without Covid, contracting Covid in hospital, being asymptomatic but dying and labelled as a Covid death.
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26/01/2021 17:42:47 171 230
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Drivel. Conspiracy nonsense.
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26/01/2021 18:24:22 39 0
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Excess deaths is the only good measure, because that compares the number of people who died this year with the five-year average. You can't tell if everyone who tested positive for covid actually died from covid, but there are also many people who have died from cancer, heart attacks and strokes who might have survived had the hospitals not been full of covid patients and they have to be counted.
26/01/2021 19:54:36 1 6
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Hospital management gets more money for registering a Covid death and the more people that get tested, there is payment in the system. All just a money making exercise for those in power.
26/01/2021 20:15:21 0 4
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You said it... 'stories' most of it anecdotal nonsense posted by Covid deniers
26/01/2021 20:30:48 0 2
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If they contracted Covid in hospital and died then its a Covid death . I know of two people that has happened to . Going into hospital for whatever reason at this moment is the kiss of death .
sap
26/01/2021 22:34:40 0 0
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We need a breakdown of these figures. How many caught covid in hospital, died from the condition they went in - not a covid death, i know someone who went is hospital with non covid illness, tested negative for ie mrsa & covid, then caught covid because of being put in ward with covid patients they did go home before getting any worse hospitals have a lot to answer
27/01/2021 02:44:06 0 1
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"I've lost count"
Yeah, once it gets to 11, the Trump supporters get puzzled looks over here too.

It's one of the few brakes on their conspiracy fantasies.
27/01/2021 08:41:02 1 0
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Yep, that's happening Timbo. Whether they die of Parkinsons, Cancer, or brain tumour, if they test positive for Covid, it's recorded as a Covid death.
27/01/2021 13:42:55 0 0
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THIS IS APPLIED TO EVERYTHING NOW?? WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE OTHER DEATHS THAT HAPPENED BEFORE THIS PANDEMIC??? JUST VANISHED ?? THIS VIROUS! IS A FORM OF FLUE ,, BUT THE MEDIA HAVE WIPPED UP THIS STORM,, PROBABLY WE ARE ALL TO BLAME?? PARTLY.. DUE TO OUR ATTITUDE.
Fox
27/01/2021 14:16:39 0 0
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Where did you hear this from the University of YouTube and its Principal Piers Corbyn? Seen those vids of empty hospital corridors eh?
27/01/2021 14:20:40 1 0
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The media like the method of counting, enables them to use it to push for a Labour government at the next election.
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26/01/2021 17:42:02 885 117
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One of the reasons we have arrived at this dreadful day is the Covid deniers who refuse point blank to follow the rules. Every newspaper and television news bulletin should carry a picture of Wembley on cup final day showing the crowd and adjacent to it the stadium empty. Then some of these idiots might understand what 100,000 people look like
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26/01/2021 17:52:25 396 69
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It would be interesting to see a comparison of BBC and ITV - BBC barely show public info films, ITV show it frequently. One of the reasons that Germany gave for better performance was supportive media
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26/01/2021 17:55:20 15 5
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Nobody with the right mind deny Covid, that is a media creation from a couple of pointless crackpots. Some people don't have the luxury to stay at home and need to take risks to work. I have no time for the large gatherings, but don't simplify the decisions people need to make.
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26/01/2021 17:58:36 16 20
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@Grumps 100,000 does look a large number but it is not 100,000 excess deaths is it.
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26/01/2021 18:02:50 41 6
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In part we are paying the price for a liberal society policed ‘by consent’. The government were too scared to use police to enforce strict rules as they were worried about revolt. Policing ‘by consent’ is not conducive to lockdowns and is not set up to deal with it.
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Bob
26/01/2021 18:11:18 63 1
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Which is a great context for how people view life. The classic '1 death is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic' springs to mind.

Liverpool fans' grief for Hillsborough is eternal. 96 lost their lives. Yet with thousands of deaths in their area they met in huge numbers after they won the league.

To me that sums up human nature. Unless the threat is direct, real or lived we don't care.
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26/01/2021 18:13:55 18 41
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"One of the reasons we have arrived at this dreadful day is the Covid deniers who refuse point blank to follow the rules."

You could not be more wrong.

Borders & planes
Hospitals
Care Homes
Schools
Universities
Sweat shops
Abbatoirs
Other food processing plants

Covid deniers far less dangerous than that lot.
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26/01/2021 18:16:27 8 13
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Appallingly, your analogy with Wembley is no longer adequate as the current stadium holds eighty three thousand or so?
The problem is now that we're on lock down no.3 and you can't stick to it completely. To some extent, have all 3 been wasted? Trace & isolate not fixed, So many simply cannot afford to isolate. Kiev Stanmer has isolated 3 times. Under some sickness policies he'd be sacked
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26/01/2021 18:20:32 18 41
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Where was the huge spike in infections after the BLM protests? There was no spike. All those people failed to "follow the rules". No spike. Nothing. But a few anti lock-down protesters and some party goers in Manchester - its all their fault? Please!
26/01/2021 18:34:55 15 0
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Tarring every one with the same brush. There are plenty of people who say they support lockdowns but break the rules out of carelessness or ignorance.
26/01/2021 18:36:30 6 2
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As long as you are prepared to do the average age of the crowd and the Covid deaths
TC
26/01/2021 18:46:01 15 38
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It may be sad but it is not dreadful. For the most part deaths arose from among already sickly elderly and younger persons unlikely to have long expectation of quality life. Tragedy arises not from ravage by the virus but from silly response by collapsing our economy, sowing fear, and damaging young people in formative years whose lives may be blighted for a long time.
26/01/2021 19:05:22 1 0
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They already did this when it reached 50'000 with Ibrox and Sunderland stadias , as you can see it made no fkn difference
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26/01/2021 20:14:54 2 2
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Media's constant bombardment of "fear" did not help sensible distancing and proper face-mask wearing.
26/01/2021 20:20:08 2 2
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Nonsense. Very very few people deny covid. Many disagree with the way the pandemic has been handled by the government and with lockdowns, but you'll be hard pushed to find anyone that thinks covid isn't real.
26/01/2021 20:35:39 0 2
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Nothing to do with an incompetent government then.
26/01/2021 20:42:42 2 5
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500,000 people die every year anyway. No deaths are ever avoided, just delayed. Anyone saying "All deaths matter" must be campaigning to reduce the speed limit to 10mph to avoid all road deaths, and to ban the sale of ladders and power tools to avoid DIY deaths. Right?
26/01/2021 22:26:24 2 0
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As soon as I see 'Covid Denier' I know the poster is ill-informed, probably terrified by the MSM & SAGE and incapable of understanding the data. Look at the Graph above on this page. We have not yet reached the mortality rates of 2000 to 2009, and we've counted deaths the Norwegians & Pfizer would not count as vaccine deaths because the victims were 'too old & ill' had it been covid, they'd count
26/01/2021 22:58:13 0 0
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Boris and the government were an initial denier
26/01/2021 23:25:31 1 0
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How many deniers do you suppose there are? Everyone I see is doing their bit wearing masks etc. These covid deniers are a tiny minority.
27/01/2021 07:22:46 0 0
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Ha Ha ha , like the Government!
27/01/2021 09:32:43 2 0
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The most shocking thing to me is that these articles continually misreport the numbers of deaths due to COVID-19. 100,000 people have died from any cause (even causes completely unrelated to COVID-19) within 28 days of a positive test. That is what that number means (it even says this on the figure they shared).

They are implying that these are the deaths 'due to' COVID-19. Very poor reporting.
27/01/2021 10:21:28 0 0
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and still deny
27/01/2021 10:32:31 1 0
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Good point, so you were isolating on 2000-2007 when the graph published in this article shows we had higher death rates? Why is it suddenly move your moral compass this year - just the media epidemic, if this hadn't been given a name you can see it would just have been another spike on the graph.
JD
27/01/2021 12:16:47 1 0
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You confuse deniers with lockdown sceptics.
Have you heard of the cost benefit conundrum?
We have eviscerated our economy, the education of our children and the social and mental health of probably two full generations engaging in a 'war' with a virus! And yet voices like yours refuse to see that we are doing far, far more harm than 'good'.
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26/01/2021 17:42:05 6 9
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If only the real statistics were available.... How many deaths were directly attributable to the virus, by age BMI etc
How many of the under 65s had underlying health conditions and so, through lifestyle choice, were more vulnerable to the effects of the disease.
This headline is just fear mongering.
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26/01/2021 17:35:11 1275 339
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The government failed on so many issues. Not quarantining incoming travellers, not banning incoming travellers from hotspots, the woeful trace programme, not implementing a lockdown sooner.

It's easy to say these things with hindsight, but why did all of these take so long when it was obvious other countries were doing it and it was working? Madness.
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26/01/2021 17:42:11 75 25
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Releasing the first lockdown too early based largely on London, the North suffered from that decision.
26/01/2021 18:42:55 4 0
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For sure that didn't help butthe general stupidity of the GB public didn't help either. Just because lockdown was eased didn't mean we HAD to abandon the principle of reducing our contacts.

Historically pandemics last years (not 12 weeks like Boris suggested at the start) and they come in waves with the second worse than the first. I knew this and have acted accordingly.
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26/01/2021 17:42:21 17 15
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As you said high population density, well connected cities, global air hub and high numbers of those not born here. All this adds up to our high death rate. We have nothing to be ashamed of. Indeed we have led the way out with our vaccines.
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26/01/2021 17:47:14 2 3
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Thinly veiled racism. They aren’t “our” vaccines. I’m willing to bet that you played no part whatsoever in their discovery or roll out.
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26/01/2021 17:50:50 0 0
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by "those not born here" you mean black and brown people? many of them were born here and their ancestors came in on british passports.
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26/01/2021 18:00:30 0 0
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'high numbers of those not born here'

Stuart, old bean, what year is it in your Alf Garnet-postered front room?
45
26/01/2021 17:42:24 11 17
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No doubt a lot of people will blame the government as its the easy thing to do. Nobody has ever dealt with this before but they have had a very difficult job to do. In effect they have to keep everybody happy all of the time! Impossible. Generally imo they have done a fairly decent job in very difficult circumstances indeed. No one ever gets criticised if they don’t have to make decisions.
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26/01/2021 17:45:04 3 4
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Allot of sane people will blame the government.

'Generally imo they have done a fairly decent job in very difficult circumstances indeed'; are you missing a number of marbles?
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26/01/2021 17:45:51 0 3
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And other governments? Australia, New Zealand, Finland etc? They’ve faced the same pandemic and been much more decisive. Thank you very much Brexiters, in your desire for “sovereignty “, you voted in this dreadful government and worst PM since Lord North. I hope you are pleased with yourselves.
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26/01/2021 17:52:40 0 2
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Their policies have crippled the country AND killed 100K excess lives. You are too generous with your assessment.
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26/01/2021 17:52:05 1 0
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Disagree. Spanish Flu pandemic in 1918 killed 228,000 in the UK, and most people died in the 2nd wave as restrictions were relaxed too soon, and the public were too quick to return to normal. It's only 100 years ago. I appreciate that this is not in living memory, but we have historical records, and the government should have seen the signs, locked us right down for 6 months and enforced it.
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26/01/2021 17:58:36 0 0
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Or they could blame the government for forcing themselves into stupid u-turns (send the kids back to school for 1 day!) and dithering on every lockdown, or standing by advisors for breaking the lockdown rules and (different advisor) trousering cash for making PPE that couldn't be used.

Course it's the easy thing to do when the government is spectacularly bad.
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26/01/2021 17:42:27 23 19
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Is it because we have the worst UK government in living memory? It's also been made worse by sections of the population ignoring, admittedly poorly thought out and very inconsistent, restrictions.
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26/01/2021 17:48:00 11 10
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You are wrong about the worst government in history. You are probably to young to make any judgment. Brown’s government was appalling and left us in a deep mess. Over the years I have seen successive governments make a pig’s earth of things. This government is on a par with most of them. We will survive, so don’t worry
404
26/01/2021 18:01:59 4 1
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It's certainly the most corrupt in our history, with undisguised profiteering and circumventing of tendering process scrutiny. The cronyism of Boris in setting up jobs for peers, and shovelling vast amounts of money into fake companies is there for all to see.
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26/01/2021 17:36:20 44 38
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Two words....Clown Bunter
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26/01/2021 17:42:30 23 21
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Don't be childish
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26/01/2021 17:39:41 470 309
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Difficult decisions were not taken soon enough. Too much dithering. Johnson clearly well out of his depth. UK starting to look like a failed state.
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26/01/2021 17:42:42 456 139
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First sentence correct. Last sentence, not true. We are one of the world leaders in making the vaccine and delivery. Look at the while picture, not just the bits that suit your politics
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26/01/2021 17:53:04 18 29
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Sturgeon about to Fool's Mate Bozo into another indyref; NI not far behind. He's out of his depth.
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26/01/2021 17:54:13 25 16
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Maybe, but the way in which the country's colossal failure to manage Covid has impacted other areas of society: the collapse of education, the failure to provide non-Covid general healthcare; inadequate social care provision etc. alongside the lack of political accountability or active opposition, altogether does have something of the failed state whiff to it.
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26/01/2021 17:59:43 26 25
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And you do it too, please. Right now the EU is threatening to forbid exports to countries outside the EU while Britain doesn't have its own manufacturing capacity and has to rely on EU manufacturers. And this government is busy insulting the EU ambassador so it can, it imagines, look powerful and in control. Embarrassing and pathetic, a once great country let down by useless leaders.
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26/01/2021 18:10:17 11 22
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Only x1 dose vaccine currently being delivered when x2 doses required within the prescribed timeframe (3-6 weeks, NOT x12!) to secure the right level of immunity
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26/01/2021 18:14:12 4 6
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Probably only because Hancock & Harding weren't involved
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26/01/2021 18:17:32 2 1
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Can I sell you a boat? One careful owner, only a few holes.
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26/01/2021 18:24:16 1 0
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One of the leaders in giving one dose the vaccine.Does that count?
26/01/2021 19:14:06 6 5
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I think you need to look at your own politics! Really bad decisions at almost every stage from our government. The vaccine wasn’t the result of the government. I do agree that so far the roll out has been successful. But overall a poor job dealing with the pandemic whichever political side you take.
26/01/2021 19:14:39 6 3
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100, 000 deaths; third highest death rate in the world. This is quite an important part of the picture to look at... whatever political persuasion; the scientists working on vaccine quite separate from this failed government, as much as Boris would like to take credit for their work
26/01/2021 20:26:32 1 1
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The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was the first on the market and that was invented by the Germans (and produced by Germany and the US).... We were the world leaders buying it. Look at reality, not just the bits that suit your politics....
26/01/2021 20:46:22 0 2
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So the vaccine rollout let's him off the hook does it. Let's wait a while before jumping to conclusions. There's quite a few question marks about the delayed second jab policy not shared by the rest of the world.
26/01/2021 21:17:20 1 1
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swallowed the Government propaganda hook line and sinker haven't you
Rob
26/01/2021 21:49:12 0 0
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Brexit, poor transport infrastructure, penniless local councils, an ineffectual government, 100,000 Covid deaths - the UK is certainly doing a pretty good imitation of a failed state...
26/01/2021 23:13:06 0 0
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one , two and third comment very true last sentence very possible, but does not suit YOUR politics.
26/01/2021 23:15:15 0 0
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are we though? We now don't have enough vaccines and instead of everyone getting the 2 doses 3 weeks apart, people (except Johnson's dad and the old royals) will only get one dose. People have been vaccinated with one dose, and gone on to catch covid.
26/01/2021 23:22:03 0 0
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Taiwan etc.. Don't need a vaccine.
They avoided 100,000 dead, death of the high street, death of office space, long covid, shutting schools and hospitals, covid debts. Taiwans gdp increased in 2020.
Dont like Taiwan?
Try s Korea, Japan, Singapore, nz, ozz.
27/01/2021 02:21:34 0 0
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Corona virus deaths per 1 Million of population
UK 1471/1M (population 66 million)

Taiwan 0.3/1M ( population

Vietnam 0.4/1M ( population 99 million)

UK 4th highest death rate/1M among 221 countries listed at the website .

Source :
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC
Last updated: January 27, 2021, 02:04 GMT
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Conclusion:
Covid failure.
27/01/2021 04:50:46 0 0
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Failed government, not failed state!
27/01/2021 07:37:06 0 0
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Other countries had vaccines well before us and the vaccines we use aren't even made in the UK... A vaccine is not the holy grail, there are so many other measures that could and should have been implemented. Relying on a strategy focussed solely on a vaccine as a way out of a pandemic is a fools game - what's going to happen when it doesn't work against one of the variants?
27/01/2021 08:02:45 0 0
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Your politics continue to Blind you to the reality. The government has killed 10’s of thousands of its citizens
27/01/2021 08:24:34 0 0
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The last sentence could be true, but not for the reasons Zugswang gave. If a result of Brexit is that N.Ireland vote for unification with Ireland (as the polls currently indicate they would), and Scottish people vote for independence (which polls currently indicate they would), that's pretty much a failed state by definition. Then would Wales be willing to continue in England's pocket? Hmm.
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26/01/2021 17:42:42 290 96
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There are many reasons and I am sure in the years to come everyone will at some point reflect on their own behaviour. However, the greatest responsibility sits in government and how they chose to respond. They are the ones who put themselves forward to run the country and have generally been found wanting...

I have sympathy for their situation, but they are responsible.
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26/01/2021 18:20:28 201 166
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at least they accept responsibility i dident see tony blair doing that
816
26/01/2021 18:22:26 3 32
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If there'd been no lockdown, then people who caught it in the summer would have been more likely to have survived it in summer and acquired immunity for the winter. Lockdown has failed miserably.
26/01/2021 18:38:42 8 11
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They clearly didn't understand their own people. A real example of our Government being out of touch with its people. And most likely when social experts pointed out the errors in policy they were ignored.
26/01/2021 19:29:16 17 4
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100 per cent correct - the people have not been perfect but they have been appallingly lead
26/01/2021 20:36:15 3 1
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Spot on.
26/01/2021 20:46:45 1 0
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True.
27/01/2021 00:35:47 0 0
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Isolating since March. So yes, reflecting.
27/01/2021 09:56:27 0 0
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Ever heard of individual responsibility . Always some other person to blame.
27/01/2021 10:02:50 0 0
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Sorry thats is a cop out, we all have a collective responsibility to guard each others health. Own your share
27/01/2021 13:37:22 0 0
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YES!! BUT?? THESE CLEVER D--K SCIENTISTS ?? ARE JUST TRYING TO BE (I KNOW BETTER?? and if you don't agree?? i will shout about it??) then we have THE HIGHLY RESPONSIBLE!! PUBLIC ?? SURLY NOT !!?? ITs LARGELY THEIR FAULT!! ALONG WITH THE ATTITUDE I WANT IT MY WAY OR NOTHING???
27/01/2021 13:55:14 0 0
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They may be responsible, but surely the part of the public that have not been bought up properly to do what they are ask to do must accept there part in this dreadful situation.
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26/01/2021 17:42:42 2 2
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because sheep will only follow blindly over whatever cliff is nearby coupled with a chronically underfunded healthcare system. what do you reckon? fault of the government who failed to get people to understand or the fault of those who have had enough with experts? the entire thing is an embarrassment.
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26/01/2021 17:42:47 1858 171
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An important factor, overlooked by your article, is that the public (as a whole) is less culturally obedient than some other countries, particularly those in south-east Asia.
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26/01/2021 17:49:11 429 121
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The balance between liberty and life is a tricky one!
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26/01/2021 17:50:51 84 12
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That sounded sarcastic, sorry- I truly meant that it is hard for a libertarian to take anti- libertarian decisions... even if they are needed. The danger of the draconian measures taking root is so great!
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26/01/2021 17:55:48 99 64
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6 of one...

How many South-east Asian countries had SPADs breaking the rules, then hosting a PR session on national TV in the leader's official residence's garden, then getting sacked anyway because the leader's girlfriend didn't like them?

Entitlement is as entitlement does.
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26/01/2021 18:08:17 24 27
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in south-east asia you get an ICBM locked onto your location within 5 minutes
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26/01/2021 18:09:31 63 14
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You are aware that part of the world is run by authoritarian regimes who basically make people "obedient" because otherwise they get in trouble for things democratic countries do not.
I honestly doubt they even bother to fish the bodies out of the Ganges, let alone count them. Removed
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26/01/2021 18:13:41 138 18
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Agreed. Having our liberty is - rightly - taken for granted. When faced with losing that , even under the most justifiable of conditions, and only then temporarily, society won’t accept it - Bournemouth beach, BLM protests etc. The virus doesn’t spread itself, the hosts spread it. I don’t blame the Govt for the level of deaths. Look at US , and their behaviour - any surprises there?
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26/01/2021 18:16:19 15 148
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Unsubstantiated nonsense.
707
26/01/2021 18:16:42 14 57
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really thats a very polite way of saying less well educated.
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26/01/2021 18:16:57 21 41
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Is that surprising given the amount of mixed messages from the government in the past year? I think most people saw it as 'Do as I say, not as I do'.
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26/01/2021 18:26:23 106 2
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It's not necessarily that Asians are more obedient. Many have a culture where you recognise the importance of how you play your part in society and respect others. This very true in Japan. Here the focus is on me and my freedom of action.
ant
26/01/2021 18:35:30 26 16
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What about australians ? Are they obedient? Or was it thier gov acted better
26/01/2021 18:38:10 45 23
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In the first lockdown the public were really behind things. The government and Cummings undermined the ‘all in it together’ feeling and it was downhill from then. Johnson has so much to answer for. We could have been a super New Zealand or Australia with the right management. In fact we turned out to be a mini USA (actually we have an even worse death rate per capita even than them).
26/01/2021 18:53:59 31 3
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Another fact which is ignored is that different countries count deaths in different ways.
26/01/2021 18:42:39 10 5
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Culturally obedient? Have you ever met an Australian or kiwi?
26/01/2021 18:55:44 14 8
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So eat out to help out and shop till you drop was a message from who ?????
26/01/2021 18:55:56 5 1
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Isn’t that the truth
26/01/2021 19:06:14 0 3
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and in relation to coronavirus regulations is this a good or bad thing???
26/01/2021 18:53:57 36 5
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The self indulgence and entitlement mentality prevalent in the Uk has exacerbated the situation. Also people believing that if the government told them could do something like ‘eat out to help out’ & it was safe was unbelievable! So many were/are not taking personal responsibility. My household has done very little different since last March, we chose to do this to avoid COVID. Simple!
26/01/2021 19:08:45 23 1
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Too true. China tells its people to jump and they ask How High. The UK tells people to jump and the response is Why?
26/01/2021 19:10:50 7 1
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Cofuscian cultures also tend not to have their elders in 'care,' now there's a euphemism.

Not that New Zealand, Iceland or Trinidad and Tobago are particularly Confuscian.
26/01/2021 19:12:56 12 8
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That is the main factor, there has never been any real lockdowns, the virus cannot travel or walk from one household to another. Its the government's fault for not taking harsh actions back in January 2020. Report how dangerous this virus was were coming out of China in December 2019.
26/01/2021 19:13:58 7 10
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Rubbish china has 1.3 Billion population and as yesterday only 105 new cases of Covid.... either they are not reporting them or they are hiding something. A true leader would challange this, A true leader would rally together to Remove all the Bio Weapon Labs around the world.
PAR
26/01/2021 19:15:49 15 1
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Agreed! The idiots who defied the rules have to take some of the blame! I hope they’ve realised who they are....
26/01/2021 19:19:33 4 1
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Just said exactly the same. Stay part =no virus. Been that way since time began.
26/01/2021 19:19:47 9 0
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Colombia has high levels of Covid but % of deaths much lower and many are certainly not culturally obedient - they are however much more active and healthy - even at old age
26/01/2021 19:20:18 1 0
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Hmmmm interesting perspective, particularly as it started there, what is your thought process about that?
26/01/2021 19:21:33 6 9
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This is partially true but just as important is that we as a nation expect leadership and like it or not the Cummings episode killed the first lockdown and subsequent lockdowns. Now Johnson has has taken full responsibility, he must go as there will be lawsuits pilling up against him
26/01/2021 19:22:30 8 11
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Of course, if the Tories had not treated this virus in the blasé way they did, and still are to a large degree because of their faith in the discredited herd-immunity policy, we would not be in the position we are.

Australia came out of their winter with new daily cases in single figures, whereas we came out of our summer with hundreds of new daily cases.

Bozo & his patriotic beach swampers, eh?
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26/01/2021 17:42:48 5 5
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It is everything to do with how that is figure is reached at, and is it the same in other European/Wordwide Countries?
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26/01/2021 17:39:28 16 18
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Why is the truth not being told? Why are Doctors, when certifying the cause of death, having to include the word 'coronavirus' on the death certificate when they and the relatives are well aware that the cause of death was not coronavirus?
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26/01/2021 17:42:56 4 6
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Go away
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26/01/2021 17:43:02 27 22
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This is entirely the fault of Mr. Johnson's 'Herd Immunity' strategy from a year ago, where the UK government placed the country's economy over the lives of its citizens. Boris is on record back in 2007 saying that there should be population control.
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26/01/2021 17:43:57 15 9
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You think population should expand without limit?
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26/01/2021 17:57:13 1 0
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There should be population control! How can a country excel when it’s over crowded!
Herd immunity should have taken place during the summer months when we’re getting daily vit d but they collapsed due to pressure!
Instead we suppressed it then let it out at the worst time possible! Herd immunity naturally would of been far better than lockdown after lockdown!
Media have gone quiet on Sweden...
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26/01/2021 17:59:29 0 0
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it was never a strategy of the gov.
(it was a theory put forward by some, but never adopted)
Just fake news - but you are so gullible you are still posting such drivel.

You also misunderstand the position regarding pop control.
Yes there are too many people in the world. pop control means sensible family planning, you cret,in.
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26/01/2021 17:43:05 152 109
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Why has the UK got one of the worst infection & death rates in the world?

Simple, because this government did too little too late!
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26/01/2021 17:47:19 52 78
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Rubbish !What have you done to avoid the disease? Why have others not the so?
26/01/2021 19:10:07 2 0
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Amazing, isn't it? 'Government-bashing' is a very popular pastime in this country, among those who are not, and never will be, in a position to do anything about it. Put yourself in their shoes. Could YOU have handled it any different.....in fact, WOULD you have done so?
26/01/2021 19:33:02 2 0
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Simple explanations are always the best. And almost always wrong!
27/01/2021 00:18:33 0 0
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What is Belgium and Slovenia's reason for having worse figures?
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26/01/2021 17:37:47 11 33
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Can someone please enlighten us, as to what is the constructive purpose of news media berating the PM and his team at coronavirus briefings?
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26/01/2021 17:43:05 5 1
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It is called being called to account for their actions. Move to North Korea if you would refer a dictatorship which is above question.
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26/01/2021 17:43:06 4 6
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Combination of things
Poor response and clear plan
And
Numerous selfish idiotic a......s happy to pass it onto to anyone
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26/01/2021 17:38:41 16 16
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Anti lockdown protest and university students partying
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26/01/2021 17:43:11 3 3
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Old people going to the supermarket, using public transport, visiting the GP, going outside for a walk, seeing their grandchildren, going to hospital for other reasons, lockdown protest and partying with students.
26/01/2021 19:47:03 0 0
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I am an old person and follow the rules, as do many others. You are a buffoon, just like Boris Pepperpot Johnson.
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26/01/2021 17:36:27 144 128
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Because we have a group of incompetent poshes which we call the government.
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26/01/2021 17:43:13 170 21
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Sami,
Why do you feel the need to refer to people as posh? They are either incompetent or not. It doesn’t matter if they are posh or not. (Just for reference what is a posh person? Who decides if they are posh or not? Is it just someone you have a chip on your shoulder about?)
Thankfully I was brought up in a working class family where I was taught to treat everyone as I found them.
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26/01/2021 17:49:50 16 23
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Because posh people are still more likely to be deludedly self-entitled, with sections of the media willing to brush over their crippling lack of skills, because tally ho and all that.

Who in their right mind thinks they're the right person to run A COUNTRY?!

Posh people and psychopaths, that's who.

Grown-up countries that don't suffer from exceptionalism get the likes of Adern. We get swill.
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26/01/2021 17:58:12 9 5
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A posh person is someone that can afford to travel in luxury by sea and be able to switch their berth to the other side of the ship depending which direction it is going.
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26/01/2021 18:04:24 7 17
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People who are privileged have very little understanding of how people who are not privileged would be effected in this SAME situation.
History is full of it. And thankfully I come from a working class family and grew up with no different morals to you.
Make it a law that to eligible to be a PM, one should have lived in a council house with benefits or UC. And we shall see a change for good.
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26/01/2021 18:04:33 10 5
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While I agree with everything you say. He's not wrong is he, the cabinet is largely made up of posh incompetent folk. (Not that it matters they are posh). For reference a posh person would be Boris Johnson. Wealthy family, paid for education and no concept of reality for normal working families like the ones we grew up in.
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26/01/2021 18:04:47 8 3
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"Posh" just means people who live in a world of privilege and have no experience of being poor or overlooked. It would be just as bad if government members only understood poverty & didn't have a clue about money. The problem is that it's the posh ones who are massively over-represented in governing a huge majority who do need to earn a living / make ends meet. That's all.
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26/01/2021 18:09:57 4 2
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Irrelevant to the issue.
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26/01/2021 18:22:47 9 0
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I think Sami has a point so no need to labour the posh point.
The gov is full of entitled people with no Idea how their decisions affect the rest of the population.Just look at Boris's Dad,the most self important person that I have ever heard and he brought up our PM. The apple doesn't fall far from the posh tree
26/01/2021 18:36:30 7 0
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As per comment from David 'POSH' just means 'Port Out, Starboard Home' i.e you swap cabin sides on the return journey to be on the more comfortable side of the ship. Nothing to do with education or 'breeding'.
Just money!
26/01/2021 19:14:40 5 0
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Maybe because they all have the same private school, PPE at Oxford background. All busy scratching each others backs. None of them has ever done a days work. How can incompetent fools like Hancock be in charge of government departments? How come his best chum, the Calamity Queen was put in charge of Test and Trace, as if we didn't know? Nothing to do with competence or track record obviously.
Rob
26/01/2021 21:56:12 0 1
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I think Sami means that in his/her experience, as in my experience as a working class bloke myself, that "posh" and "incompetent" tend to go together like peaches and cream...
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26/01/2021 17:43:13 4 8
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We are a nation of fatties, that's the main reason for the high death rate.
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26/01/2021 17:38:40 33 27
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The whole lot of them should be up in court
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26/01/2021 17:43:14 29 3
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Including Anti lockdown protesters and people partying
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26/01/2021 17:39:13 4 10
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Cmon where is Catain Hindsight when u need him????
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26/01/2021 17:43:22 3 1
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It's called planning sunshine not hindsight.
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26/01/2021 17:43:24 7 12
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100k people have not died of covid19
At most 10% have died because of it
They r using people who have died 28 days of testing positive for covid19, who may have died because they got hit and killed by a car
Which is wrong
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26/01/2021 17:51:37 1 1
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I really wish people would stop using this silly argument. 100,000 people haven't died in car accidents, fallen off ladders or any other such mishap while, just by coincidence, having covid19. It's possible I suppose that it might have happened to a handful of poor unfortunate souls, but come on how many?
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26/01/2021 17:52:30 0 1
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You clearly have no idea how cause of death is recorded on death certificates.
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26/01/2021 18:22:53 1 0
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Yes,it just seems disengenuous to suggest that ALL 100.000 died solely because of covid, people ARE beginning to see through the actual figures,the inquiry after this is all over may give the true death toll BUT i must add that it is terrible that so many people have had thier death accelerated because of added covid complications so I have a huge amount of sadness and sympathy for them
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26/01/2021 17:43:25 4 9
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Obesity, diabetes and respiratory issues, the way we live has had an impact on mortality rates. Yes difficult decisions should have been made sooner but hindsight is a wonderful thing. As has been said previously no other party could have done any better, beating the pandemic should not be politicised for the sake of the nation.
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26/01/2021 17:48:12 2 1
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I agree about party politics... but this administration led by Mr Johnson and supported by Mr Gove have been spectacularly useless... They have made careers out of being columnist and have never had to make real world decisions and just can't do it. It's not that they're Tory, until the last election I always voted Tory and still would... but this particular government just can't man-up.
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26/01/2021 18:10:26 0 0
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at last,someone with a pragmatic view,it's clear that you read the article and understood that the death rate is linked to several other factors with the main message being "if you aint too healthy then covid is gonna help you draw a terminal breath,quickly".The politics pounders are out in force because MPs etc are an easy target,in fact I don't think anyone could miss
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26/01/2021 17:43:27 779 224
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Some of this is rubbish. I hared back from the continent towards the end of March and was truly shocked that our government had done nothing and was planning to do nothing at the time.

It didn't take a genius to recognise that as a dereliction of responsibility.
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26/01/2021 17:46:00 255 206
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Legal shot contributed by coming home. If the borders has been closed you would have been unable to.think before you comment.
468
26/01/2021 18:04:54 68 2
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I flew in from Thailand on 23 March, first day of lockdown
We expected to have temp checked, advised to isolate, be given advice leaflets etc
What happened - absolutely nothing !
We had been screened everywhere in Asia
UK was clearly aware of world situation but the government had head in sand approach

We were aware of situation and self isolated for 2 weeks - we were fine
593
26/01/2021 18:10:59 18 1
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While at the same time the media and the public were screaming for infected elderly cruise passengers to be brought home.
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26/01/2021 18:18:05 11 18
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Yes, brought it back here with you, or may have done, you presumably didn't care.
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26/01/2021 18:24:47 36 6
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Nonsense. Policies don't infect, ignorant and foolish people do that. Stop making excuses, the public know to stay away from each other but in true British style many refused, that is why do many are dead
26/01/2021 18:39:33 1 2
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So you were part of the problem spreading it around knowing covid was about and obviously not taking responsibility for your own actions.
26/01/2021 18:58:46 0 3
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I hope you didnt come from Belgium, whichholds the capital of the EU and has mich more deaths per million inhabitants than the UK
26/01/2021 19:19:40 2 3
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Pitty they didn't close the border in March then
26/01/2021 19:21:44 2 1
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So you hared back from the continent and may well have brought the virus back with you and spread it around. Or did you self isolate for 2 weeks? We should all be taking personal responsibility.
26/01/2021 19:22:08 4 5
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Of course, if the Tories had not treated this virus in the blasé way they did, and still are to a large degree because of their faith in the discredited herd-immunity policy, we would not be in the position we are.

Australia came out of their winter with new daily cases in single figures, whereas we came out of our summer with hundreds of new daily cases.

Bozo & his patriotic beach swampers, eh?
26/01/2021 20:23:40 0 0
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Try spelling as step 1
fos
26/01/2021 20:35:08 0 0
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You contributed by coming home
26/01/2021 22:32:16 0 0
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They were probably following the continents example.
26/01/2021 23:09:05 1 0
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Was in Genoa in January and lock downs were already starting in Milan and other regions. I recall reports the UK would be as bad as Italy if the government didn't react quickly - Boris didn't, shook hands with C19 patients and hid in a fridge etc. I recall reports that it would be much worse in the winter and it is. Sorry, I blame the government plus the selfish people who don't follow the rules
26/01/2021 23:12:35 1 0
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Same here.
SE Asia shut borders Feb 2020.
My Taipei / mnl flight for 13 Feb, was cancelled by email 6 Feb.
I stayed in Taiwan partly due to flight cancellations (3!) but partly because Taiwan was so obviously safer.
No lockdowns ever.. I was out every day sight seeing, museums and all the rest.
No high street, cinema, clubs closure... No shops going bust.
Hospitals open.
Total freedom & safety
26/01/2021 23:32:46 0 0
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It was in the news well before then and controls were already being discussed. Yep we weren’t quick enough off the mark but governments don’t spread viruses people do
27/01/2021 06:53:52 0 0
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Last week failure to support the House of Lords support for the NHS. Just an empty supporting statement from the Commons.
NHS will remain as a Franchising Operation name only whilst Private companies milk it and standards decline except for the very rich.
27/01/2021 09:13:54 0 0
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Towards the end of March you say. Would that include 26th March when the UK government put us into lockdown? Our government did nothing you say?
27/01/2021 09:16:03 0 0
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And when you hared back did you isolate? Did you bring virus with and thus infect possibly thousands? What a hypocrite you are. Doesn't take a genius to recognise your selfishness
27/01/2021 09:27:07 1 0
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Whoever was in power, balancing freedom, economy & health was a nightmare & whatever they did was bound to be wrong for large sectors of the population. Add in fear & anger stoked by loss & encouraged by the self righteous wisdom of hindsight, & it's amazing we haven't had the violent scenes experienced elsewhere. Lots to learn from this, but less finger pointing & more learning would be good.
27/01/2021 09:36:39 0 0
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We shut down 3 weeks after our first confirmed covid death. In contrast France shut down 6 weeks after its first confirmed covid death. Can’t see how our Government made any worse a decision than France. In fact we were faster to respond.
27/01/2021 09:45:32 0 0
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The virus had been in Italy since early December unrecognised but being transmitted. Quite why you think closing the border a week earlier would have made any difference at all is mute. Would it? If the Virus was here and knowing what we know now, then it would have made no difference. Had we closed the borders (all) in week 1 Jan then maybe you might have a point.
27/01/2021 10:22:37 0 0
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me too ,to a deserted gatwick
27/01/2021 11:41:23 0 0
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The UK was a week behind a couple of countries and ahead of many others. Since then the UK has been ahead of most countries in introducing restrictions. Hardly a factor really wasn't it!
27/01/2021 12:58:26 0 0
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The scientists have said it that the government slowness was one reason for so many deaths and Boris and Hancock failed the country.They will only say they were following advice when the obvious enquiry comes along,the sooner the better.then the lawyers will have their say.
27/01/2021 16:18:34 0 0
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Robertthebruce10
We should all be responsible for our own actions,not the government, do you have to be told what to do all the time.
27/01/2021 18:57:12 0 0
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I hope you quarantined voluntarily at that stage of steepening infection rate. Personal responsibility and all that.
VoR
27/01/2021 22:38:05 0 0
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Also, just prior to the first lockdown, I traveled to Europe each week where there was sanitiser everywhere, people were using it, keeping distance in space on public transport etc. Then back to the UK where there is no soap or sanitiser in the train station toilets, people coughing their guts out on the train, creamed together, and the govt doing nothing about it.
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26/01/2021 17:43:28 483 68
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Why are death figures so bad? lets look at all the people acting like the rules dont apply to them, the pictures of thousands of idiots on a beach during a pandemic, the people going on holidays, sports events still taking place, going on shopping trips when not even neccesary, having a party 'cos its been ages since i had fun' .... or just blame the government for everyone elses stupidity
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26/01/2021 18:05:02 20 206
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great point!..where'd you cut and paste that from? Hindsight.com?
26/01/2021 20:06:16 7 5
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The media reported on any minor infraction, gives a lopsided perception on how frequently and how many people were breaking the rules.
26/01/2021 22:26:45 5 4
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No doubt some people need to reflect on their selfish attitudes.

However, the vast majority will have adhered to the rules (allowing for minor breaches through necessity, misunderstandings or just a lack of awareness).

None of that takes away from the government's inept and occasionally illogical handling of the pandemic.

Some people think it is intentionally bad, but no, just useless.
26/01/2021 23:35:35 4 0
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Show me the mortality figures for the weeks following all those events, no spikes whatsoever. The mortality still remains 90%+ of the elderly and seriously ill, AND they don't go to raves, protests or the beaches. They are in locked-down care homes and they may go to hospital almost equally locked down. Now guess where large numbers catch the virus? Care-homes & hospital.
27/01/2021 03:33:28 3 4
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Oh certainly! It's the beach goers. Obviously so much virus was spread around in the open air under the sun. What an oatmeal brain came up with that logic?
27/01/2021 07:32:04 2 0
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But if there had been actual enforcement and clear rules, none of that would have happened! To date there has been pretty much zero enforcement of the rules. The Government introduced some very weak fines but no criminal sanctions. Why would £200 deter some rich folks from doing what they want? As we have seen, they do what they want and avoid responsibility.
27/01/2021 09:15:55 1 0
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Do you know how you fix this? Consistent messages of the seriousness of the virus from the government. Mask wearing made compulsory. Large fines that are regularly and publicly issued by the police.

Some people are going to do what they want to do, it's up to the government to find ways to stop them.
27/01/2021 09:35:07 4 1
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As a statistician it's easy to see how these number are being hysterically misreported. It's embarassing.

100,000 people have died from any cause (even causes completely unrelated to COVID-19) within 28 days of a positive test. That is what that number means (it even says this on the figure they shared).

They are implying that these are the deaths 'due to' COVID-19. Incorrect.
27/01/2021 11:44:31 1 0
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Ministers allowing planes from highly infected countries and still doing so, footie players hug and kissing makes the stupid think it’s ok, no mandatory masks, opening schools when it wasn’t safe, the list is endless
27/01/2021 12:43:59 1 0
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The article also refers to obesity - taking responsibility much earlier for our own health....
27/01/2021 15:29:52 0 0
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80% of those deaths are about equivalent to what would have happened on average each year anyway...so 20,000 excess deaths....its a pandemic fools...get on with it...we'll hopefully be a bit wiser next time.
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26/01/2021 17:43:32 755 241
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Locked down too late in March, Christmas farce, lockdown too late in December. Eat out to help out, more mixed messages with Stanley J, Gove, Cummings and others flaunting Covid law/guidelines. Schools and universities going back too quickly, universities desperate for their accommodation money keeping students too long. Many more errors too that can all be laid at a weak government's feet.
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26/01/2021 17:53:55 313 27
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Christmas farce - quite right you’d never believe that London and South East produced a huge number of cases 4 days after Christmas when they were in Tier 4 and no mixing was allowed.
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26/01/2021 17:54:05 19 5
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Cummings and others flouting the rules? Yeh, 10 million plus!
and your yet another brilliant and knowlegable..I'll be kind..person who knows the freaking lot because of hindsight, we know that now don't we Mr Einstein??? thank you for your brilliant insight, any other bright ideas you have swilling around in your skull? Removed
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Bob
26/01/2021 18:16:49 13 8
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There were more cases in primary aged children in August than in September. School return was not an issue, at least not until the new variant came along.
WM
26/01/2021 18:34:55 13 1
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Stay home to difficult to comprehend..... no go out and spread the virus. Well done
26/01/2021 18:39:18 13 4
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Universities would have been happy to go online or even delay starts of term........ government pushed for starts as normal
26/01/2021 18:55:09 18 4
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Captain Hindsight eh?
26/01/2021 18:57:56 14 5
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And it'll happen again if schools reopen too quickly now....
26/01/2021 18:59:18 8 8
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Meanwhile in the USA deaths have passed 432,000 in a country with a much lower population density.

Belgium has 20,000 deaths with a population a fraction of the UKs.

All countries have made errors, even the sainted Germany is find out now how you can't really defeath this virus.

It will eventually mutate and go away. Like SARS.
26/01/2021 19:01:53 3 5
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Don't forget the transgression by Professor paints down, the man who started the panic in the first place.
26/01/2021 19:08:37 11 1
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There are plenty of adults in the UK who consider the government moves too strong. Open all pubs ,sports facilities. It is all relataive. The problem is the government are far too open. Do you think China has an equivalent news page for comments like this where you can criticise the PM? If so , you are in cloud cuckoo land.
R1
26/01/2021 19:17:02 6 7
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And a weak population that do not know how to behave. Everyone needs to look in the mirror and say I failed !
26/01/2021 19:21:41 4 3
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Love your view on the following
1) new variant
2) pop density
3) pop demographic
4) Scotland and Wales as I assume they’re smashing it. Oh wait there
26/01/2021 19:25:32 4 4
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There is no actual evidence that 'Eat Out to Help Out' created an uptick in cases.
26/01/2021 19:32:16 1 5
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Shut up
26/01/2021 19:56:50 2 0
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You forgot the public breaking rules and are still doing so
26/01/2021 19:59:01 3 5
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And the 1000’s that headed to Bournemouth beach et al. Yeah keep calling out a guy who decided legally to keep his kids safe right at the start. Sick of this tripe being called up. Why not call out the celebs having parties and the idiots gathering in parks etc. Weak public not government. Go get your Corbin back.
26/01/2021 19:59:52 4 3
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A government that is ruled by a corrupt ideology.
26/01/2021 20:25:07 0 0
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Are you in charge of your own choices.
26/01/2021 20:37:32 3 0
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Only people with blue blinkers will not agree
26/01/2021 21:16:19 0 1
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Rant rant rant!
Hilarious
26/01/2021 21:30:44 0 1
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Lefty comment based on fact less based newspaper columns
26/01/2021 21:42:08 0 1
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Lock-downs will not buy you health.
26/01/2021 21:18:43 1 0
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I do so agree.
26/01/2021 23:46:25 1 0
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The U.K. government couldn’t have done a worse job if they’d tried.

If someone had told Boris Johnson and his government to make as many mistakes as possible, make wrong decisions, kill as many Britain’s as you can, completely destroy the economy and siphon as much money as you can from taxpayers ... then this is exactly what they’ve done.
‘World Beating’ Test Track and Trace system?
Shocking
27/01/2021 07:58:53 0 0
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We paid too much attention to pub and shop owners. All public areas should have been shut down. Don't forget to catch or pass on Corona virus requires now virus and two people.
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26/01/2021 17:39:28 16 18
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Why is the truth not being told? Why are Doctors, when certifying the cause of death, having to include the word 'coronavirus' on the death certificate when they and the relatives are well aware that the cause of death was not coronavirus?
68
26/01/2021 17:43:37 0 1
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what was it?
69
26/01/2021 17:43:38 8 16
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1. People cant follow rules like stay at home but go to house parties.
2. People are self entitled selfish idiots
3. The way the uk records deaths is moronic.

Dr :'Did he have a cough before he died?'
Relative: 'yes but it was minor'
Dr : 'right, suspected covid'
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26/01/2021 17:37:47 11 33
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Can someone please enlighten us, as to what is the constructive purpose of news media berating the PM and his team at coronavirus briefings?
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26/01/2021 17:43:44 3 2
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The government should be held accountable for these deaths.
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26/01/2021 17:43:54 6 7
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UK Covid deaths: Why the 100,000 toll is so bad.

2 reasons.

Gov to slow into lockdown.

Idiots not following the rules.
342
26/01/2021 17:58:28 0 2
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and hindsight gives us all the answers,ask Mr Starmer, he knows the freaking lot! like your good self,there are more than 2 answers to what has happenned
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26/01/2021 17:39:30 11 15
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I don’t think anyone could’ve done a better job regardless who was in charge.. terrible figure wouldn’t be surprised if we hit 200k by the end of the year
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26/01/2021 17:43:58 4 4
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New Zealand an island state
25, TWENTY FIVE DEATHS
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26/01/2021 17:44:11 67 11
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Very few have been prepared to isolate from the start, we are all guilty of bending the rules and we all know we have, myself included. Easy to blame the politicians, policy makers, but the British public all have blood on their hands. Just recovering from Covid, glad to get out the other side, God bless all those others who are suffering.
26/01/2021 23:04:16 22 0
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I've not broken the rules at all, don't think everyone is the same and actually I have been homebound for several years, and since covid inhale had no visitors all year. Not broke the rules once
27/01/2021 00:24:22 2 0
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No one has blood on their hands unless you deliberately went up to someone with the intention of passing it on knowing you had it. Such hysterical responses are ludicrous, or are you going to prosecute the NHS and care-homes, both of which are places where a considerable number catch the virus?
27/01/2021 21:37:15 0 0
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What utter rubbish. Speak for yourself.
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26/01/2021 17:44:16 9 7
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So many experts - none of whom are prepared to become an MP and show us they can do it better....
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26/01/2021 17:39:02 329 117
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IF only the public had done what they were told to do!
75
26/01/2021 17:44:17 273 93
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so that fact that the government sent thousands back to care homes to free up hospital beds without testing them has nothing to do with it, please wake up
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26/01/2021 17:58:16 22 7
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The government didn't do it, it was individual health trusts/hospitals that did it.
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26/01/2021 18:03:09 17 2
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That would have been the hospitals and NHS trusts that did that.
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Bob
26/01/2021 18:15:10 1 0
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Yes they should have kept those highly vulnerable patients who in all probability didn't have COVID in hospital surrounded by COVID patients. They would have definitely survived then.

People need to understand that just because one outcome is bad does not mean the alternative is better!
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26/01/2021 18:23:36 2 1
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The government did not it was the NHS
26/01/2021 19:11:44 5 1
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The government didn’t send them but certain hospitals. You can’t blame everything on the government. A lot of criticism needs to be directed to the NHS and PHE
26/01/2021 19:43:19 1 1
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When the nhs does something right its down to the selfless staff, when the nhs does something wrong its down to the government. Win win
26/01/2021 20:00:12 1 0
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The govt didn't do that, the local NHS hospital trusts did that to free up beds.
26/01/2021 20:33:02 0 1
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not government nhs
26/01/2021 20:49:56 1 0
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Remember the insulting remark "we put our arms around the care homes". What a blatant attempt at a cover up. Disgraceful.
26/01/2021 21:18:00 0 0
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Wrong
26/01/2021 21:45:25 0 1
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It wasn't the Government that sent thousands back to Care Homes, it was our hallowed NHS. If there is to be a public enquiry then the failings of the NHS need to be laid bare as much as failings by the Government and some members of the public.
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26/01/2021 17:44:25 4 4
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A shocking total, badly handled to much thought on staying popular, lobbyists and focus groups, chumocracy and on and on.Politicians of all persuasions lacking a backbone. But not just politicians how many headlines telling us it’s just the flu and they are taking away our rights. Fools who doubted the science. The population as a whole being overweight and unhealthy. We can learn but will we?
The amount of deaths IS shocking but there was a lot of answers as to WHY in the article which once again begs the question" HOW many have actually died solely because of covid?" it does not help your survival IF you are obese,diabetic et al,this is something we can ALL do something about.FFS people TRY to live a bit healthier! its YOUR life on the line.Fact, covid WILL accelerate your demise! Removed
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26/01/2021 17:44:35 1 1
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Sounds like the figures need another tweak. Over to you Capt Chaos.
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26/01/2021 17:44:38 6 12
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The death toll is so bad because the Tories in government have been utterly incompetent. Their failure and recklessness has now killed 100,000 of us.
Thanks to their criminally negligent management of this crisis, we still have a big chunk of the current wave to go. I wonder how many more of us they're going to end up killing.
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26/01/2021 17:46:15 1 1
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death toll is so bad because of a virus
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kr1
26/01/2021 18:04:47 0 0
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have you followed the rules? You're ok if you have. if not the statistics are coming after you.
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26/01/2021 17:44:40 10 7
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Bozo takes 'full responsibility'.

What a joke. By doing what? Stepping down? Change of plan? Sacking the underperforming doughnuts under him?

Nope - by carrying on. Tories gonna Tory, yo.
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26/01/2021 17:41:41 6 5
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Some will still say 100000 is a lie
80
26/01/2021 17:44:43 3 3
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You need to question everything or are you just lazy.
81
26/01/2021 17:44:46 23 9
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"More than 100,000 people in the UK have died from a virus, that, this time last year, felt like a far-off foreign threat."

It wasn't a far-off foreign threat when it was ravaging northern Italy and that was the time to do something - which our complacent government didn't.
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26/01/2021 17:39:30 11 15
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I don’t think anyone could’ve done a better job regardless who was in charge.. terrible figure wouldn’t be surprised if we hit 200k by the end of the year
82
26/01/2021 17:44:47 4 2
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Nobody could have done a better job... *except* for the many other countries which *did* do a better job.
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26/01/2021 17:44:55 18 8
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100,000 + have died within 28 days of testing positive for COVID. What % of those were very old, what % had underlying serious medical conditions. It’s highly misleading to say 100,000 have died of COVID. We are a very small densely populated island. It’s inevitable that viruses spread easily. Any death is very said but let’s keep this in perspective.
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26/01/2021 17:36:33 606 75
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Simply because people are stupid and easily led by the media and Facebook experts
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26/01/2021 17:44:55 1116 60
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Lenny - I think think that the worst mistake the Government made was to assume that the British people would display some form of common sense. Unfortunately, we have seen a proliferation in the 'I am entitled' mindset and this has resulted in the lack of compliance with advice. You are right in your observation that social media has played a part in this.
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26/01/2021 17:51:40 50 1
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Very true, in some cases you just can’t train stupid
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26/01/2021 18:02:26 12 58
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The government tried to control with fear. People see through this and assume its all lies and hence don't comply. Had the government tried education, honesty and simple consistent messages I think compliance would have been much higher - see Sweden for a good example.
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26/01/2021 18:06:13 2 22
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Mossh, you're wrong.
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26/01/2021 18:06:22 42 3
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Looks as if attitudes have spread from US
In Asia the situation was beter controlled - but those people do as they are told - not like stupid Brits
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26/01/2021 18:07:44 26 17
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Disagree. Millions are sticking to the rules. We can hardly damned well do anything but go to work, shop for essentials and exercise. Do you want me to list the things people aren't able to do? There are loads and loads. Yes there are rule breakers doing unbelievably stupid things but most people aren't.
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26/01/2021 18:09:12 56 1
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Absolutely spot on all those who ignored and continue to ignore guidelines share some of the blame even now we have illegal gatherings/raves people shopping without masks it is unacceptable but will continue because we have a me me me society which blames everyone else but themselves
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26/01/2021 18:12:30 13 1
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I think you are right Mossh

This has come alongside certain clusters of the population preferring to believe anything other than the Government or the BBC. The general level of stupidity here is beond belief and frankly huge numbers of people have been killed by ignorance
652
26/01/2021 18:13:56 5 0
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Sadly, so so true.
670
26/01/2021 18:14:48 7 4
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So why do we have more deaths per 100,000 infections than other countries?
That cannot be because of any "entitled" behaviour.
It could be:
We are fat and unhealthy
The NHS is not as good as other countries provisions
We as a population are genetically more affected
We count the numbers in a different way to other countries.

Or all of the above.
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26/01/2021 18:16:31 8 9
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No the worst mistake the British people made was to assume that the Government would display some form of common sense. Unfortunately, that has been proven not to be true.
920
26/01/2021 18:27:52 9 8
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I used to turn around failing organisations. Of critical importance is to behave in a responsible manner and develop a consistent and realistic plan for the future in which people believe. The government completely failed to show responsible leadership (Dominic Cummins?) and still does not have clear plans with endless U turns. It is hardly surprising many choose to ignore government advice.
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26/01/2021 18:30:27 10 1
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Entitlement is a key factor for sure.
26/01/2021 18:35:07 12 1
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Society lost it moral compass years ago as our liberal politics allowed people to do whatever they liked, this comes back to bite you eventually
26/01/2021 18:50:17 5 4
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"Unfortunately, we have seen a proliferation in the 'I am entitled' mindset". Yes, "There is no such thing as society....." Now, where did that sentiment originate but a previous PM from Johnson's party who also had a mindset of selfishness and greed masquerading as freedom and opportunity..... Maybe a renewed sense of society is exactly what is missing.
26/01/2021 18:51:53 0 4
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@ Mossh - so no responsibility on government allowing companies to sack people even if they have covid symptoms?
26/01/2021 19:06:14 2 2
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They paid for us to go to the pub in the middle of a pandemic. They actively encouraged going out. Please, none of this 'government assumed people would have common sense' silliness.
26/01/2021 19:09:56 1 2
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Government played biggest part in this & guilty of all you describe in relation to the public
26/01/2021 19:24:02 1 2
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Of course, if the Tories had not treated this virus in the blasé way they did, and still are to a large degree because of their faith in the discredited herd-immunity policy, we would not be in the position we are.

Australia came out of their winter with new daily cases in single figures, whereas we came out of our summer with hundreds of new daily cases.

Bozo & his patriotic beach swampers, eh?
26/01/2021 19:25:54 3 2
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The blame lies squarely & fairly with the Tories. It is them who have deliberately underfunded the NHS for 10 years & dumped the cost of social care onto it without any funding.

It is the Tories who shelved the Exercise Cygnus recommendations on how to be ready for and deal with a pandemic, which scientists said was imminent.

It is the Tories who have had, a debunked, herd-immunity mindset.
26/01/2021 19:39:36 0 2
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Yawn....
26/01/2021 19:57:05 1 0
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the govt have made mistakes but people are ridiculously entitled. I work for a well known charity, while we are generally open we often have people ignore our closed signs. the reason they give when challenged is either "we are members" or "this is where we always walk".
26/01/2021 20:03:29 0 0
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Not sure that it was a mistake, I’m inclined to think the gov might of thought that too many would break any law that forced them to stay in