Covid: UK virus deaths exceed 100,000 since pandemic began
26/01/2021 | news | health | 2,612
Another 7,700 registered with coronavirus on the death certificate brings the total to nearly 104,000.
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26/01/2021 10:45:14 335 33
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Just how far in front of Italy did we need to be to see this coming?
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26/01/2021 10:57:45 304 197
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I've struggled from the start with the lack of context given with the stream of statistics
They could have been given, broken down by..
Age
From Covid
With Covid
Carehome setting
Hospital setting
If the infection was acquired after admission or before.
For instance at the end of Dec. only 389 Under 60's had died From Covid alone.
It seems they want to generate fear.
And it's certainly worked
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26/01/2021 11:13:31 53 38
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Plenty of people did see it coming, but the idiotic electorate in England decided to vote in an idiotic populist whose sole policy was to savage the economy by leaving the world's biggest free trade zone in the most destructive way possible. If you voted Tory you share the blame for this catastrophe. This is on you.
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26/01/2021 12:10:52 0 0
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Around 6 months I would say and would still make a pigs ear out of it, as soon as it got to Italy I knew something was about to hit the fan and I failed science miserably
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26/01/2021 12:45:36 2 1
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In Italy, there have been armed police outside supermarkets telling people coming out to go straight home. Here, I have witnessed youngsters/people with no masks, people walking through a red traffic light arrangement when entering a supermarket and hordes of people (via a news article in my local paper) coming into Stansted Airport , even Brits returning from a holiday, because they can.
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26/01/2021 10:45:35 180 48
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Nz and Aus living normally.
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Bob
26/01/2021 11:02:33 74 170
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Yet in NZ unemployment is rising faster and is now at a higher level than here and work hours are falling too, meaning less pay in people's pockets.

So swings and roundabouts. They paid in jobs, we've paid in OAPs.
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26/01/2021 11:07:59 19 8
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While it seems preferable to our current predicament, I would hardly call indefinite international isolation "living normally"
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26/01/2021 11:23:50 19 14
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You cant compare Aus and NZ to us. They have significantly lower population and are far more rural. The entire population of London live in an area the size of NSW. As for NZ they only 5m for an area the size of the whole of the UK. Its comparing chalk and cheese.
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26/01/2021 11:51:10 1 2
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No they are most certainly not
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26/01/2021 11:56:50 3 0
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Vietnam too.
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26/01/2021 12:15:27 1 4
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Say some sources that want you to believe that. I have friends who live in Australia, believe me when I say it's not such a pretty picture that is being painted to the rest of the world.
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26/01/2021 12:19:41 1 5
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Prisons on their own island in NZ; I hardly call that normal. NZ had a new reported case last week.
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26/01/2021 12:32:53 1 3
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Both are relatively isolated and self sufficient. UK is literally a hub between Europe and N America
26/01/2021 12:45:54 1 2
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No they're not!
Just ask those 30,000+ banned from returning to Aus.
26/01/2021 12:47:50 0 2
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Much bigger and more spread out, even in the cities. The benefits of having a relatively small population.
26/01/2021 12:58:41 0 1
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Nowhere is normal. Australia locked down for a long period with borders within the country still closed.
26/01/2021 12:59:06 2 2
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Really?
I've a mate in Brisbane who wasn't allowed to leave his flat without an official chitty & they have checkpoints between states.
That's an odd kind of "normal".
26/01/2021 13:09:49 3 0
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Mostly it is normal, yes. I live in NZ and the only restriction is leaving the country. You can still leave if you desire but have to quarantine on the way back. at your expense if you have left during the pandemic. Otherwise my life is normal, went away on holiday last weekend. Spent my time in bars/restaurants/shops/at the beach.
26/01/2021 13:16:56 0 0
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NZ will be back in lockdown shortly - someone made it through the quarantine this week with the SA variant - 1 week in general circulation

Aus states are in and out of lockdown every time a community case pops up as someone makes it through
26/01/2021 13:22:27 0 0
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If you think life is normal in Australia at present you must be on a different planet.
26/01/2021 15:30:41 0 1
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NZ economy is in dire straits. No tourists this summer has hammered them. Jacinta the goddess is losing popularity fast.
26/01/2021 16:26:21 0 0
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Australians actually obey the rules. They wear masks, they care about their fellow citizens (mostly). The govt set rules and they also enforce them. Unlike here, London Buses told me last week, bus drivers are only allowed to ask "nicely" that people wear a mask. I was shocked at how many people were not wearing masks despite being in a crowded bus with no ventilation. It's a joke. Pathetic.
26/01/2021 16:40:44 0 0
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Not so relevant. As nobody seems to think to mention, it's summer in Aus & NZ, and as we saw in 2020, infection levels fall seriously in the summer and are much higher in the winter. So normal that Aus and NZ are living more normally now. We lived more normally last summer. Compare UK with EU countries... now that's much more telling.
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26/01/2021 10:45:40 234 41
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still struggling to see why our excess deaths are so high and other countries with supposedly inferior health systems are a lot lower when their lockdowns have not been as severe as ours or as extended. Lot to learn from australia and NZ.
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26/01/2021 10:48:48 266 49
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Obesity and other avoidable health problems in our population?
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26/01/2021 10:48:52 51 6
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really? Have a look at our spiraling obesity rate per populous compared to NZ and Oz, not to mention other European Countries...that is the TRUE crisis.
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26/01/2021 10:48:56 41 17
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I think you need to look at leadership or in the UK's case absence thereof
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26/01/2021 10:56:40 48 37
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Ours are high because we use a ludicrous definition of "a covid death". Other countries are more circumspect. That's why international comparisons are a waste of time. "Apples v Hippopotami".!
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26/01/2021 10:59:57 45 16
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Does it not follow that countries with inferior health systems, might also have inferior methods of recording cases and deaths. You can't honestly believe that nations like Nigeria or South Africa have recorded even 50% of cases and deaths. A lot of the population are never recorded as being born, let alone getting corona virus and kicking the bucket.
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26/01/2021 11:14:56 16 33
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Perhaps its because their health systems don't have a health model like the woefully unfit for purpose NHS?

The sooner the NHS is re-structured and remodelled in those countries' likeness the better. But that wont suit the socialist agenda
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26/01/2021 11:24:28 18 11
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None of the others has an NHS like ours either so is our NHS just another British institution that we believe to be “world beating” whereas in reality the various different ways of delivering health care in other countries are actually better
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DSM
26/01/2021 11:31:06 14 2
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I’ve done no research, but perhaps it is due to our incredible health system that we seemingly have more deaths; bare with me.

What is the average life expectancy of a Brit supposed to be? 80 ish?

However our NHS are extending life expectancy year on year, 84-87 doesn’t seem like an unreasonable expectation - thus we have more people in the ‘danger zone’ than many other countries.

Perhaps?
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ken
26/01/2021 11:35:30 4 3
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Large population and small landmass allows the virus to spead so easily. That and of course the idiots attitude.
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26/01/2021 11:44:04 10 2
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Not giving multimillion pound contracts to incompetent gov mates would be a start. Gov is very happy to shift blame to feckless individuals
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26/01/2021 11:45:10 11 1
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The government pushed hospitals to empty wards so a lot of eldery people were sent to care homes where it spread like wildfire. We didn't have enough PPE.

We don't have an effective track and trace system. People aren't penalised enough for breaking rules and the message from the government is unclear and changes every 5min.
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26/01/2021 11:48:04 6 0
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We have a government who wait until number are very high before taking action,. If they took action earlier lockdowns would be shorter.

We have less restrictions on travel, people are spreading it around the country. Rather than keeping it local and in less areas, this means we are unable to target resources as effectively.

NZ and Australia quarantined anyone coming into the country in hotels.
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Stu
26/01/2021 11:56:41 6 1
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I think the reasons why Aus and NZ have avoided as many excess deaths is
1. Geographically - they are less of an International hub, with fewer official points of entry that could be better controlled.
2. Culturally - the populace have a can-do mentality.
3. Experience - they were a lot closer to viruses in the far-east and prepared better
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26/01/2021 12:09:27 3 0
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Sadly the NHS has turned out not to be the flagship health service we were told it was. Years of underfunding by successive governments both Tory and Labour has left us with an NHS that is not fit for purpose, with a huge reduction in the available beds. A completely top heavy organisation with more Chiefs than Indians, removal of bursaries to train as a nurse. The list is endless in truth.
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26/01/2021 12:18:31 3 1
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10 years or more of 'austerity = run down, depleted, under resourced and underpaid public sector workforce with limited ability to respond to shocks.

Appalling wage levels in even more appalling working conditions in the workforce.

Expensive and overcrowded housing made worse by ultra-low interest rates driving capital from investment in industry and into buy to let.

Incompetent government.
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26/01/2021 12:21:48 3 1
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The ONLY thing to learn from Australia and NZ is that we should behave and obey safety instructions when given. Those countries did and we didn't.
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26/01/2021 12:22:51 3 1
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Using NZ as a comparrison isn't helpful. It's such an isolted country geographically, with a population smaller than Scotland and a land area about the size of the UK.
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26/01/2021 12:27:55 6 0
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Obesity is relevant but is not the main cause. Majority of death are the over 75's and age related. The simple fact is that different nations are using different ways of measuring deaths and we seem to state Covid for everything. Best way to count this for every nation is excess death over annual averages...most are likely to be due to Covid and is a fairer comparison.
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26/01/2021 12:30:26 1 1
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Our death rate is high because we have a health system that lets most live to even when they have serious health issues for years. The countries where people die young do not see many excess deaths from Covid.
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26/01/2021 12:31:25 2 0
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The success of previous flu vaccines left rich pickings for Covid. As for doing more sooner, have you seen the hysterics displayed by the anti-lockdown brigade? 100K+ dead and they still think its a big over-reaction. We might look back wistfully at "only" 100k being dead by the time this has ran its course...
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Tex
26/01/2021 12:31:28 4 2
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Because we are over cautious and tend to over state the numbers, other countries to put it mildly LIE.
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26/01/2021 12:40:03 3 1
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I suggest you compare population denisties and stop making bogus comparisons. We are a hugely overcrowded island, as compared to Australia and NZ. The South East and North West are huge ant heaps of people and contagion is ever so much easier there.
26/01/2021 12:51:16 4 0
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Ha ha funny.
Population of London 9 million.
Population of New Zealand 5 million.
There’s your answer.
26/01/2021 13:19:09 1 1
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In reality there are very few "other countries with supposedly inferior health systems"

The NHS isnt as good as we are led to believe, but its hailed as a sacred cow in the UK
26/01/2021 13:45:44 1 0
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The quality of life and health in the UK is appalling. We have had services cut and austerity that has impacted on the elderly and other ages. So we are a very sick country to begin with. Couple that with the cuts in hospital beds, community care. We are one of the worst countries in the world now for our health record.
26/01/2021 13:50:38 0 1
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You cannot compare a country like the UK to New Zealand
26/01/2021 13:52:55 1 0
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Hopefully this is the wake up call that will prompt a full review of our 'wonderful' NHS. Great for 1947, not fit for purpose now.
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26/01/2021 10:46:09 109 46
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Overweight unhealthy population and government mismanagemet. Oh .... and the highly paid WHO have been a bit quiet lately?
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26/01/2021 10:54:09 167 105
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No. The WHO have NOT supported the UK policy of only giving one jab of Pfizer vaccine. They have been busy keep the rest of the world safe. They've given up with saving the British because we have such rubbish leadership.
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26/01/2021 10:56:40 16 9
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You forgot by far the biggest group, the thick, self absorbed, selfish, and grossly inconsiderate rule breakers, who happily spread it about, then complain about tuition fees and lack of jobs. Now the government is thinking of rewarding said group with £500 for catching it, then wasting yet more tax payers money on finding them jobs and letting them go unpunished.
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26/01/2021 10:59:09 21 4
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WHO have always championed a Test and Trace - which is something we have sadly failed on in this country - other countries who have a good Test and Trace have had far less death rates (AUS and NZ are examples, but incase people think their population is too small, compare against Japan)
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26/01/2021 11:14:32 9 6
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Definitely this! As a nation we have one of the highest levels of obesity. I think roughy 63% of the population are overweight or obese. Given that COVID effects overweight and obese people more seriously, it’s hardly surprising the UK has been so badly affected!
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26/01/2021 11:34:52 10 5
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People aren't dying of being overweight they are dying because of covid - eminent scientists are now saying that if the right actions had been taken at the times recommended the death toll would have been 80% of what it is - the tories and their supporters own this disaster.
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26/01/2021 12:36:56 3 0
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Er... didn't the WHO state the UK approach to single Pfiser vaccines was not a good way to go, and aren't they constantly tracking and researching all these lovely variants popping up elsewhere in the world, and aren't they reassuring/debunking vaccine info and fake news, and providing updates on whether new variants could give vaccine's trouble... I don't think they've quiet at all.
26/01/2021 14:35:08 1 0
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Given you're not qualified to work in the WHO, your estimate of the salaries of those who are is neither here nor there!
26/01/2021 14:42:09 1 0
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And an NHS that was unprepared and made serious errors like returning patients to care homes without testing. Sir Simon Stephens should have resigned 9 months ago
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26/01/2021 10:46:26 580 231
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Just shows how shambolic dithering Johnson et al have been during this sorry mess. Too late at every turn.
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26/01/2021 10:52:52 260 74
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Too late at every turn is correct yet the press still accept Ministers saying "it's too early to ...."
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26/01/2021 10:59:00 41 9
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At the very start they didn't know quite how much asymptomatic transmission contributed. They also didn't know about the third symptom of loss of taste and/or smell.

However, they could have closed schools when every other EU country was closing theirs AND they could have controlled borders more like what they are doing now.

We were also "4 weeks" behind Italy, but did NOTHING!
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26/01/2021 11:05:38 12 56
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How?
Remember the opposition, who 'hold the govt to account', sat on the fence and simply threw hindsight as their answer?
The media and Labour seem to be running this, god knows why as the Tories have a majority and should have just gone with the initial plan for herd immunity!
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26/01/2021 11:20:41 8 12
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Says the expert.
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26/01/2021 12:12:53 7 10
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It is not the government who carry the biggest blame it is the covid deniers, the rule breakers the stupid and arrogant
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mav
26/01/2021 12:22:21 3 2
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noting to do with all the people who cant follow simple instruction is it ?
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JGC
26/01/2021 12:31:22 3 3
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or too early. Whichever way the people, MSM, unions and those pollicising the whole sordid thing need to take a big look at themselves. Burnham in Manchester reluctant to lockdown for example.
There are many reasons why we have the figures as they are and its not all at the door of the government.
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26/01/2021 12:32:06 3 4
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Nowt to do with Boris or tories. Any govenment would have struggled the same.
26/01/2021 12:46:45 2 3
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People spread the virus, not politicians.
26/01/2021 12:48:56 4 1
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They have been rubbish but all the people looking for excuses to not do as they've being asked should be looking at themselves as well and take responsibility for their actions. Don't come up with the confusing rules excuse, that's all it is, an excuse!

Even now we're reading about students travelling 200 hundred miles for parties, these are supposed to be the intelligent one's, god help us!
26/01/2021 13:02:47 0 0
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i think that stronger words should be used for that shameful man.
26/01/2021 13:16:14 0 2
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So you would have initiated a complete lockdown and a strict curfew if you were the PM. I doubt it very much.
26/01/2021 13:23:39 2 2
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Yeah, all the other major countries have done SO much better...not. Riots in Netherlands? Vaccine roll-out in EU a fraction of the UK?
Sad
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26/01/2021 13:48:41 2 2
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What rubbish you write.The Government under the circumstances have done a good job
26/01/2021 13:51:27 0 0
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spot on
26/01/2021 14:36:54 1 0
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Says who?!
26/01/2021 14:56:26 1 0
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So many clueless armchair experts here who are happy to sit on their backsides, collect their benefits and rant about perceived failings. It is so easy to be wise after the event when you are not having to make difficult decisions.
26/01/2021 14:57:41 1 0
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No purpose is served by blaming one person. I don't believe that any alternative leader would have done better.
26/01/2021 16:21:42 0 0
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They can't have been too late at every turn otherwise we wouldn't have been one of the highest performers for the vaccine roll out... Maybe we can look at each other in not following the simple rules! People meeting up. People protesting. People simply not caring. People not looking after their health - obesity!
26/01/2021 16:24:33 0 0
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Do you copy and paste your comments every day, try something original and true for a change..
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26/01/2021 10:46:57 12 39
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If you get hit by a bus at 60 mph and you have Covid in your system....

You died of Covid.
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26/01/2021 10:49:50 25 3
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Another conspiracy theorist, death certificates say primary cause of death
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26/01/2021 10:50:19 8 2
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Not that many out of the 100,000+ got hit by a bus though! That Flat Earthers analogy is wearing thin now!
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26/01/2021 10:52:31 8 1
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You should have been isolating! And the bus driver was speeding!
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26/01/2021 10:53:22 5 2
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Only if you've had a positive test result, in which case you should be isolating at home.
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26/01/2021 10:53:28 1 1
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But think of it on the other side - how many have died after 28 days of a positive test from COVID.

We're not told that figure and I would think the number is not good !!
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26/01/2021 10:57:23 5 2
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You die of cancer as your treatment stopped due to the hospital stopping everything due to Covid. Your death is a "covid related" death as covid stopped the treatment but you are not classed as covid death and your primary cause of death is your cancer
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26/01/2021 11:04:04 2 1
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Only if it's determined that the Covid caused you to black out in front of the bus or somehow impaired your vision in which case it might be listed as a contributory factor. But as others point out, the cause of death would likely still be noted as hit by bus.
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26/01/2021 10:47:05 1177 109
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Looking forward to this ending. The sheer selfishness and arrogance displayed by many throughout has been embarrassing and shameful to watch.

I work in the NHS and face Covid every day. It's so deflating finishing your shift and seeing so many people just not caring, flaunting the rules.

Sooner this is over the better.
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26/01/2021 10:50:54 365 37
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fully support your post on that one
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26/01/2021 10:54:10 52 186
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Operation Blame The Public
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26/01/2021 10:54:23 111 15
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I know you probably sick of hearing people saying well done. But I would like say thank you and many millions of others in NHS for your sacrifice! I wasn't one of these clapping NHS rubbish as I think it's patronising. Hope you all get the payrise you all deserve after this.
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26/01/2021 11:05:36 54 17
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Thank you for your service.
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26/01/2021 11:06:37 91 29
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Definitely agree with you. The ones who voted this down shame on you!
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jon
26/01/2021 11:09:24 32 49
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Perhaps it’s not surprising with so many catching the virus within NHS hospitals.
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mat
26/01/2021 11:11:02 70 37
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And absolutely nothing to do with a government who according to their health minister was fully prepared for a pandemic (back in January 2020)! SHAMBOLIC 'leadership!'
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26/01/2021 11:12:52 54 11
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And what about the Millions and Millions of people who have not broken the rules? Minorities do not define a nation....its drives me mad focus on the few instead of embracing the massive majority who have done as asked.
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26/01/2021 11:13:09 39 3
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Be assured, most of the public are very grateful for the hard work and anxiety that you are going through. We are amazed at your fortitude. Thank you all, so much.
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26/01/2021 11:17:06 11 15
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We should be thankful at least our compliance hasn't yet sunk to that of the Dutch...
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26/01/2021 11:18:07 44 18
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Whoever has given this post a thumbs down is a complete moron! It's clear to see, daily, the level of "defiance" people will go to. One of my neighbours had visits from THREE different households yesterday!

The "younger" generation still think this is a joke!
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jon
26/01/2021 11:18:29 24 21
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this is not going to be over, new strains will mean new outbreaks new lockdowns and new restrictions........we've entered a new way of life..the only thing i've been embarrassed by is the performance of our govt..that is shameful..as is the in your face pillaging of the treasury to fill the pockets of bojo's mates.....there will always be an idiot minority but this govt have no excuse....none
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26/01/2021 11:19:42 36 6
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I can identify with that. I'm also a frontline care worker, and have worked on Covid-positive wards; but while I also still fume when I see inconsiderate people flouting the guidance with a gung-ho attitude, part of me now is also blaming the government for being reactive rather than proactive at every turn, which is why this has gone on for so long. People can only take so much...
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26/01/2021 11:20:28 20 7
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I agree that some are flouting, but many are not. The reason for the massive second wave which started in September was sending the young back to schools, colleges and unis. There were millions of asymptomatic people mixing daily and then bringing it home to others who had been released back into the workplace. The ONS household survey clearly shows this happening, but the government ignored it.
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Amy
26/01/2021 11:26:42 15 4
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Thankyou for everything you do ??
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26/01/2021 11:36:22 15 3
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Very well said. Can't understand the down votes though. Probably thick Covidiots who are ignoring the rules...
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26/01/2021 11:38:27 7 10
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The main problem is Boris Johnsonov's government's apparently incompetent and negligent handling of the pandemic, not the British public!
How anyone can downvote this comment. Bell Ends.... Removed
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26/01/2021 11:44:14 5 7
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Lots of Crystal ballers on here today, should’ve back in March, could’ve if we’d done this then.....
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26/01/2021 11:45:26 4 3
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And that goes for certain NHS staff as well
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26/01/2021 11:58:07 14 5
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Thank you to YOU, all the NHS & Emergency Services. You have all been indispensable in saving many lives; people do trust you all doing your best in very fearful, hard work circumstances
Do not let the Covid idiots affect you. Many bbc posts here and elsewhere have reinforced their disgust for these idiots They say 80+% of us sticking like glue to Rules, I do.
The rest are FEEBLE BASELINE-IDIOTS
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26/01/2021 12:08:51 1 0
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Thank you Dennis. I just fear it isn't going to end well.
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26/01/2021 12:12:09 2 1
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i agree and of course boris does too ,well after a quick trip to scotland with all his crawlers and guards.
a fine example.
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26/01/2021 12:14:52 3 3
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Hi Denis
I agree to an extent but most people try very very hard, not caring and flaunting the rules is a perfect descriotion of Johnsons callous arrogant goverment
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26/01/2021 12:30:39 6 0
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Vast majority follow the restrictions.
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26/01/2021 12:31:09 4 0
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Shameful behaviour by the minority. Sometimes I feel ashamed to be English!
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26/01/2021 12:40:04 11 1
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I’m in agreement. I’m a registrar of births and deaths (have been for many years) and used to registering deaths/speaking with bereaved families. However, after nearly a year of dealing with nothing but death after death after death, attitudes of covidiots, deniers and anti vaxxers make me furious. We have a collective responsibility to tackle this crisis, is it that hard for us to pull together?
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26/01/2021 10:47:56 151 56
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What was the point of raising yet another HYS on this BBC? What new insights were you expecting or do you just revel in hate and division?
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26/01/2021 10:49:29 94 40
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To make you stop and think and NOT party in big numbers.. as you have been doing
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26/01/2021 11:02:53 16 6
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That's exactly why the BBC opens HYS - to revel in hate and division. Couldn't put it better myself.
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26/01/2021 11:26:33 4 3
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There is always a point to giving people the chance to voice their opinions and views even if they are just repeating views expressed earlier.

Remember how poorly this shower have consistently failed the British public next time a General Election comes around.
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GBE
26/01/2021 11:29:09 4 4
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Completely agree, follows the trend of BBC HYS selections. We can all now probably put names to the people who have lost lives as a result of this global disaster. Yet I sense the BBC are more focused on the headlines and the political finger pointing that it may give rise to, rather than any useful insight?
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ken
26/01/2021 11:40:23 6 5
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Yep, the BBC are loving it as it helps the likes of Keir Starmer whose only contribution has been to sit on the fence and criticise.
26/01/2021 14:33:12 2 0
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You don't consider exceeding 100000 deaths newsworthy?
We're civilian deaths in WW2 newsworthy, do you think?
Because we're getting on for doubling that number which took six years to achieve, not twelve months!
Highest death rate on the planet.
That's the Brexi-tories claim for a world beating achievement, and I, for one, consider that particularly newsworthy.
26/01/2021 14:46:30 2 0
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Because it's got worse.
Do you think the BBC should be proper state media and pretend this isn't happening?
26/01/2021 15:12:28 0 1
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The BBC raises a discussion on every topic on which the government can be criticised, as they did during the Brexit talks. They allow many hundreds, sometimes even thousands, of comments which they know will be mainly anti-Conservative rants. Many other interesting subjects are closed to discussion.
26/01/2021 15:17:40 0 1
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These public comments sections are quite ridiculous.
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26/01/2021 10:48:10 42 17
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No, the number of deaths of people who have registered a positive Covid test in the last 28 days has topped 100,00,
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26/01/2021 11:10:33 28 70
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I think the people who have come out of this the best are the behavioral psychologists, working for Sage.
To have turned the great British public, so easily, into frightened and compliment sheep, is quite an achievement.
But by laying the guilt on us: enabling them to snatch our freedom is spectacular.
Because it's actually all about covering up this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05vrh61
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26/01/2021 11:14:53 9 3
bbc
And the excess deaths are more than 100,000......
203
26/01/2021 11:15:14 7 2
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This is our bed. We made it and WE must lie in it.

WE made it in our choice of politicians, by prioritising entertainment and 'character' over administrative competence, which we sneer at for being dull.

WE made it by all knowing best & not listening to experts or following rules.

While those in Singapore (another crowded island) live normally now. C-19 death rate 25/Million (& ours is 1400).
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26/01/2021 11:09:20 7 7
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And with testing massively expanded, that number just continues to go up. Next, deduct the 20,000 or so elderly folk who died in care homes because of the ridiculous policy of taking covid, and potential covid patients from hospitals, and putting them into care homes, plus those who died WITH, but not FROM covid, and the figures become wholly unreliable.
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26/01/2021 11:25:20 6 1
bbc
That is because although some people aren't dying from Covid, it is bringing to the fore other illnesses, such as blood clots.
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26/01/2021 11:55:15 2 6
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Not true, not all these deaths are down to COVID, there doesn’t even have to proof pre or post mortem that the deceased actually had the disease. As long as a go puts COVID anywhere on the certificate, it counts.
659
26/01/2021 12:08:23 3 3
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No it hasn't (at least not officially as of now - it probably will within the next few days)

You need to read the article before commenting. The article is about the number of death certificates that mention Covid being now at 104,000. It also says that 9 out of 10 certificates list Covid as the cause of death. So by any measure your comment is completely irrelevant
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26/01/2021 10:45:40 234 41
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still struggling to see why our excess deaths are so high and other countries with supposedly inferior health systems are a lot lower when their lockdowns have not been as severe as ours or as extended. Lot to learn from australia and NZ.
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26/01/2021 10:48:48 266 49
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Obesity and other avoidable health problems in our population?
334
26/01/2021 11:29:25 6 3
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Incompetence and corruption in our government?
412
26/01/2021 11:38:07 1 5
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No, not just that, it's called scaremongering from the Government
421
26/01/2021 11:38:46 3 4
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When was the last time you saw an obese OAP?
657
26/01/2021 12:08:09 2 0
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Johnson and his chosen cabinet at the top first mate
824
26/01/2021 12:24:33 3 0
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Spot on. Our general health compared to our European neighbours is pretty dire.
845
26/01/2021 12:28:06 2 0
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Which are getting worse because of the one exercise a day rule, which very few do. And that covid has taken over every other avoidable health problem.
921
26/01/2021 12:34:51 1 2
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Nothing to do with obesity; both NZ and Oz have higher rates of obesity than UK. They have performed better because of swift, decisive action from their governments, closing borders early and they have a significantly lower percentage of people under the age of 65. UK has 18.5% (of ~65 million population) over 65, whereas NZ has 15.3% (of ~5 million population). Age is a far more important factor.
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26/01/2021 10:48:49 593 53
bbc
Close the damn airports now ! I’m livid that 8,000to 10,000 are still coming in daily
25
26/01/2021 10:51:58 417 34
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Yes, too many brits on holiday....
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26/01/2021 11:05:49 30 89
bbc
Closing the airpors is populist short term pandering which will do nothing against these variants (guess what - they are already here) but are a further stab in the back to the travel sector.

The government need to get a grip and stop caving in to sensationalist tweets and instead start looking at the bigger, long term picture. Isolationism never leads to prosperity.
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26/01/2021 11:09:14 61 11
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We live on an island, how difficult can it be to close the borders?
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26/01/2021 11:25:08 46 9
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Yes why let people in from countries with far lower infection rates, who have tested negative pre-flight. They are at a very great risk of catching Covid here in our infested country.
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26/01/2021 11:32:07 39 6
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Correct, we are an island they should have closed us down back at the start of this virus, but alas it was a case of sacrificing lives or the economy and the money men won !
594
26/01/2021 11:59:39 8 2
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The time to do this was February 2020. We now have the worst death rate in the world and it follows we are more infected than most places. This quarantine will do nothing to help us. The fact that the government is implying inbound travelers are to blame is a joke. Too late bumbling Boris.
621
26/01/2021 12:03:24 7 1
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Too many people voting tory more like!
623
26/01/2021 12:03:47 9 1
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Yes, totally irresponsible and selfish to be travelling abroad, just wait until its all over for crying out loud!
743
26/01/2021 12:17:14 5 1
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I agree that we should severely limit international travel and implement strict quarantine rules (like Australia, etc.) - especially to curtail the import (and export!) of new variants. But we have to bear in mind that CV is endemic here and has been for close on a year, so we can't expect closure now to have the same effect as in countries like Australia who closed borders right at the start.
783
26/01/2021 12:21:10 5 2
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If these very bad people were locked up in quarantine for a full fortnight with no feeble excuses, at their full expense it would be less of an issue. Best of all the cost would vastly reduce the numbers of the idiots. Perhaps we can add a covid entry tax, few thousand per returnee. Tax the group that brought the virus here.
834
26/01/2021 12:27:12 4 1
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How would Tarquin get back from his skiing jolly then?
930
26/01/2021 12:36:29 6 1
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Apparently, during our first lockdown, a plane a day came into Heathrow from China. No checks because of cuts to border force staff, no testing kits, lack of PPE. How do I know, a member of the force told me.
939
26/01/2021 12:37:13 3 0
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Well, they will enforce quarantine for a small number of people in a couple of weeks time. The truth is that the government is scared of voter displeasure and the whinging from travel companies, airlines and the airports. However, if this goes on I'm going to look for an aircraft scrapping and recycling company to invest in!
26/01/2021 12:49:32 4 0
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Unbelievable if this is still going on!!!
26/01/2021 13:12:50 2 0
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They should've closed the airports a lot sooner right at the beginning (as soon as the virus came out) then maybe there wouldn't be as many cases in UK or anywhere else for that matter. Kept it in China.
26/01/2021 13:21:43 6 0
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If you take a look at https://www.flightradar24.com/50.77,-19.5/5 and you will see a good few small aircraft, privately owned or hired jets, travelling to or from holiday destinations. They avoid big UK airports and land at small regional airports. Click on an aircraft to show where they took off from or where they are going to. Money people do not have to follow the rules like us.
26/01/2021 13:23:35 1 1
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Some should stop playing the Tory shift the blame game... a few people have developed a selfish mindset precisely because of deliberate Tory mixed messages.

Bozo shaking hands with CV19 hospital patients & boasting about it.

Bozo failing to criticise beach goers & implying they were patriots.

Eat Out to Help Spread the Virus.

Australia came out of winter with a handful of new daily cases...
26/01/2021 14:46:44 0 1
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Yes and tell Boris to tell Europe to close their borders too - how dare they allow millions to move around like they are!
26/01/2021 15:32:55 0 1
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The vast bulk of infection is within the UK. This is why there was no point in restricting travel in the first wave - it was already here and it would have had no effect. The reason for considering it now is protection and control of new variants which have very low rates at the moment, not to control existing or UK variants. Understand don't react
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26/01/2021 10:45:40 234 41
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still struggling to see why our excess deaths are so high and other countries with supposedly inferior health systems are a lot lower when their lockdowns have not been as severe as ours or as extended. Lot to learn from australia and NZ.
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26/01/2021 10:48:52 51 6
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really? Have a look at our spiraling obesity rate per populous compared to NZ and Oz, not to mention other European Countries...that is the TRUE crisis.
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26/01/2021 11:13:33 49 21
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The UK has 100,000 deaths
New Zealand has 25

Not 25,000, but 25!!

And I just googled it. The UK has a 28% obesity rate. New Zealand has a 32% obesity rate!

Stop making up lies to try and pathetically protect our failure of a government!!
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26/01/2021 10:45:40 234 41
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still struggling to see why our excess deaths are so high and other countries with supposedly inferior health systems are a lot lower when their lockdowns have not been as severe as ours or as extended. Lot to learn from australia and NZ.
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26/01/2021 10:48:56 41 17
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I think you need to look at leadership or in the UK's case absence thereof
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26/01/2021 10:48:57 25 19
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Cue criticisms of our Government!

My only criticism is that they have not enforced the rules hard enough.

Employers who fail to either make their workplaces Covid-safe or to close them, mask-refusers, those who fail to self-isolate when required and those who just have to party are the cause of many of these deaths. They should face the very real risk of being heavily fined!
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26/01/2021 11:02:59 6 3
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I'm guessing if that's your only criticism you might know what being a sandwich short of a picnic means. Have you no idea what is going on in the world. Where the UK is described as The Plague Island and governments are working overtime to treat the UK as a modern leper colony? And that's your only criticism!
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26/01/2021 11:03:21 2 1
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Do you mean employers like the DVLA?
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26/01/2021 11:04:57 3 2
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What do you do with people who cannot afford to self-isolate, or with employers who threaten redundancy if you don't turn up for work, or you are not eligible for furlough, or a landlord who wants his rent & cares less about your personal circumstances??........there are no easy answers but this virus has for sure brought the evidence of inequality in the UK to the surface
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26/01/2021 11:12:26 2 4
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Hear-hear...
and those who refuse the jab should be denied NHS medical care for Covid issues.
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26/01/2021 10:47:56 151 56
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What was the point of raising yet another HYS on this BBC? What new insights were you expecting or do you just revel in hate and division?
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26/01/2021 10:49:29 94 40
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To make you stop and think and NOT party in big numbers.. as you have been doing
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26/01/2021 10:53:01 9 3
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I certainly haven't!
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26/01/2021 11:00:16 17 5
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Standard response from someone who thinks everyone is out partying. Try asking how many of these deaths were from people admitted to hospital for a non Covid issue but then caught it in there.
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26/01/2021 11:09:00 14 2
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Like all of the care home residents caught it at a rave...
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26/01/2021 10:49:35 384 147
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Shocking ineptitude shown by the current government.
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26/01/2021 10:59:30 64 219
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Is it possible that the Lockdown experiment has actually made matters worse than they would otherwise have been.
What we know for sure is, the collateral damage it's caused is incalculable.
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/01/25/heres-a-graph-they-dont-want-you-to-see/
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26/01/2021 11:06:33 8 12
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I think what you mean is shocking ineptitude shown be selfish ignorant $%$£" who can not or will not follow simple rules.
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26/01/2021 11:22:43 27 7
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A select bunch of elitist privately educated twerps who should never be in charge of running a coffee morning far less a Government. But the English elected them and we're stuck with them for another 3 plus years.
481
26/01/2021 11:43:51 4 9
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I do not agree.
745
26/01/2021 12:17:27 2 3
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Shocking ineptitude shown by some of the people in this country
828
26/01/2021 12:25:33 2 2
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Which is very easy to say now with hindsight.

It has always been a balancing act - between saving lives and saving the economy. A large amount of death was inevitable. The govt can only do so much too - they rely on people following rules, and clearly a lot of people haven't. Christmas might have been 'allowed' but anyone who actually met with family is just stupid.
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mav
26/01/2021 12:23:25 0 3
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I agree just like all the people who ignore the rules and carry like nothing has happened ,,
26/01/2021 12:50:20 4 0
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The irony is that the culture in our country has become to be happy to support the ‘establishment’ and to Character assasinate Corbyn (even by Starmer) and, to demonise those struggling or even homeless saying that it is there own fault.
26/01/2021 12:54:48 1 3
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You'll be refusing the vaccine then
26/01/2021 13:19:54 0 1
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..as well as those constantly flouting the rules.
26/01/2021 13:38:48 0 0
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Not great, but look how well Wales and Scotland have done and you’ll see they’re no more inept than any alternative would’ve been.
26/01/2021 14:42:18 0 2
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Says who?!
26/01/2021 14:59:53 0 1
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Do you think any other government would have done better?
26/01/2021 16:31:36 0 0
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Can you imagine what it would have been like had the country been stupid enough to elect Comedy Corbyn and his merry band of incompetent idiots?
26/01/2021 16:46:24 0 0
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I think the blame lies mostly at the doors of those ignoring government rules.
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26/01/2021 10:46:57 12 39
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If you get hit by a bus at 60 mph and you have Covid in your system....

You died of Covid.
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26/01/2021 10:49:50 25 3
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Another conspiracy theorist, death certificates say primary cause of death
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26/01/2021 10:50:08 26 4
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It's a tragedy for all those families who have lost loved ones in the UK & abroad.

The comparability of Covid data between countries has to be treated with some scepticism given the many variables. The accuracy of data is dependent on the number & frequency of testing, the robustness of health care systems & data management, the openness of reporting from a cultural & political perspective etc.
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26/01/2021 10:46:57 12 39
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If you get hit by a bus at 60 mph and you have Covid in your system....

You died of Covid.
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26/01/2021 10:50:19 8 2
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Not that many out of the 100,000+ got hit by a bus though! That Flat Earthers analogy is wearing thin now!
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26/01/2021 10:50:39 82 50
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Well done Boris, top of the charts...
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26/01/2021 10:57:34 38 16
bbc
I wonder if he knows, might be finishing his book off
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26/01/2021 10:50:59 73 14
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Would be interesting to see what other other countries classify as a "Covid Death". Do we compare ourselves with other countries like for like?
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26/01/2021 10:54:00 31 7
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I doubt it!
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26/01/2021 11:05:46 8 3
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We fell in line with other countries that used the 28 day rule last summer as prior to that we counted any death of somebody who had had a positive covid test as covid related (no matter the cause or how long ago). Clearly unrealistic. So, no the change was not done to massage the data.
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26/01/2021 12:22:21 7 5
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I read Germany was classing a lot of Covid deaths as pneumonia, same as Russia and lots other countries. I was told by a doctor friend of mine many of our so called deaths are not covid at all. If you had covid and recovered but then get hit by a bus, you are then put down as a covid death if it happens within 28 days. Even the BBC News have the bottom of the graphic "Deaths for any reason......"
26/01/2021 13:06:30 6 0
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The above figures show a massive increase in non-Covid excess deaths in Poland. What did they all die of?
26/01/2021 13:56:30 2 2
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I am sure not.We most probably are more honest than most and a significant number who have it on their death certificate would have died of something else
26/01/2021 15:16:00 2 0
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No, I am sure there is some false accounting going on.
26/01/2021 15:21:27 1 0
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You don't even need to compare to know our situation is poor!
26/01/2021 16:46:48 1 0
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Not just interesting, critical to be able to draw any kind of meaningful comparison
26/01/2021 17:08:11 1 0
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Well I can tell you how it works here in the Czech republic. Our Minister of Health proclaimed on the National TV ( a few days ago) that one of the reasons we have such a high number of Covid death is the people from road accidents are among them as well.
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26/01/2021 10:51:11 58 33
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The actual number of Covid deaths is already way over 100k. The Government changed the rules last year (28 days) about how they counted deaths. Now the second total has gone above 100k. This is a national shame for a First World country. Boris and Hancock should be held responsible.
the reality is boris will get spatchcock knighted.

Boris got his brother admitted to the house of lords mid pandemic.

Imagine having that on your to do list..

1 - get brother into house of lords
2 - pandemic thingymebob
M12
26/01/2021 16:00:22 0 0
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you are wrong on this one Bruce. The 100k statistic reported above, is any mention of covid on the death certificate. It is not limited to 28days from test.

It is the government's daily announcement figures that are limited to 28days from test and these haven't quite reached 100k yet.
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Ray
26/01/2021 10:51:32 39 18
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How many have to die before some people start to take this seriously ?
70m
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26/01/2021 11:06:50 1 1
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I estimate the total will be 130,000 at the current rate.
26/01/2021 15:25:06 1 0
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Some won't out of sheer stubbornness and an unwillingness to understand another point of view.
26/01/2021 16:02:12 0 0
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Like half the population flouting rules.
26/01/2021 16:52:02 0 0
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Unfortunately, the cat is out of the bag. Regardless of measures taken it is spreading isn't it. There is also the currently unknown cost of all of the people who have had to delay treatment because of covid. It feels like all we care about now are covid deaths. Other ailments still exist.
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26/01/2021 10:51:41 5 6
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Traffic is still horrendous.
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26/01/2021 10:48:49 593 53
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Close the damn airports now ! I’m livid that 8,000to 10,000 are still coming in daily
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26/01/2021 10:51:58 417 34
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Yes, too many brits on holiday....
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26/01/2021 11:40:49 48 0
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For example Piers Morgan and his family travelling to Antigua - not essential travel you hypocrites.
625
26/01/2021 12:03:53 5 2
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Too many people voting tory ...
877
26/01/2021 12:31:41 4 0
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Yes thousands went on Xmas holidays skiing and to Indian Ocean resorts,must be stop,but they included dfail,exp editors so no chance
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CJR
26/01/2021 12:33:08 4 0
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Should not be on holiday, it’s not essential travel, no doubt they have not realised that there travel insurance is most likely invalid.
Give them a £200 as they pass though passport control.
934
26/01/2021 12:36:53 1 1
bbc
People obsessed.
26/01/2021 12:54:16 4 0
bbc
Anyone taking bets on how many won't bother to self isolate???
26/01/2021 14:29:41 0 0
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Probably Johnson family
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26/01/2021 10:52:01 325 63
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So sad. It didnt need to be like this.

Some countries took decisive action when it was needed.

They realised that you wouldnt need lockdowns if you stopped the virus at the borders with enforced quarantine.

They are living almost normally now.

No 100,000 deaths, no 500 billion hit to the economy, no endless lockdowns.

Compare that to the UK!
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26/01/2021 10:57:31 404 51
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Problem is; here in the UK there's a large minority of us who have refused to comply with the comparatively mild lockdown measures we have had to date.

So I can only imagine the protests, wailing, bleating and gnashing of teeth we would have seen had our government gone in anywhere near as hard with the lockdown measures, as those adopted by may other democracies.

Too many of us are too entitled
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26/01/2021 11:08:11 7 34
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Closing the airports and enforced quarantine is populist short term pandering which will do nothing against these variants (guess what - they are already here) but are a further stab in the back to the travel sector.

The government need to get a grip and stop caving in to sensationalist tweets and instead start looking at the bigger, long term picture. Isolationism never leads to prosperity.
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26/01/2021 11:26:48 6 3
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The problem with closing boarders and isolation, is that you either keep them closed until the virus is eradicated ( virus's a very difficult to eradicates ) this may take years, or you run a twin approach of vaccination of the vulnerable and limited exposure to the least vulnerable
916
26/01/2021 12:34:24 4 6
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Which countries are these? I am not aware of them.
26/01/2021 12:52:31 1 1
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But we were told to vote them in because Corbyn was no good.....weren’t we!
26/01/2021 12:57:13 2 4
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Where is this utopia then? Pls don't say NZ because you cannot make that comparison ..a small population in an isolated part of the world, no free movement.
26/01/2021 13:20:21 2 2
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Name one western democracy where this is true?
26/01/2021 14:04:10 0 0
bbc
Most of Europe is now experiencing the same as the UK - our death figures are worse but even Germany previously cited as good in terms of early lockdown , effective test & trace is now suffering a high death rate
26/01/2021 14:08:54 1 0
bbc
Not in the Western Hemisphere don't just include the UK. Rioting in the Netherlands and in France never mentioned in these posts
26/01/2021 14:43:29 1 1
bbc
Complete rubbish!

''They are living almost normally now.''

Where?!
Talk about fake news! Are you a Trumpist?!
26/01/2021 15:01:40 1 0
bbc
The countries that acted most decisively were countries with very different societies, or in different geographical locations. Hindsight is easy.
26/01/2021 15:18:57 1 0
bbc
Who is living almost normally now ?
26/01/2021 16:13:42 1 1
bbc
Cronies first, ordinary people second. Welcome to the reality of tory Britain. Now Brexit us done we should unite to turf them out at the next election.
26/01/2021 16:44:55 1 0
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What countries would that be? The Asian/African ones accepted to have X-viral immunity? Australia, who can't open up without locking down again, or NZ which even without opening up has still managed to discover a community transmitted case - both OZ and NZ being in their summers. Try Europe, same plans, same infecting of care homes, etc.
26/01/2021 16:45:34 1 0
bbc
That's utter nonsense, no country with any average population has escaped Covid.
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26/01/2021 10:52:23 1 6
bbc
If you can prove a family member caught covid from a rule breaker and died, why can't the person who transmitted it knowing be charged with murder.
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26/01/2021 10:46:57 12 39
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If you get hit by a bus at 60 mph and you have Covid in your system....

You died of Covid.
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26/01/2021 10:52:31 8 1
bbc
You should have been isolating! And the bus driver was speeding!
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26/01/2021 10:52:44 25 8
bbc
Moses "Let my people go" Johnson was voted into power with a landslide victory by the British voting public. Don't blame him, put it where it belongs with your friends, relatives, neighbours and colleagues that created this mess. . He's done exactly what he said he'd do when he said "A lot of you, and you're loved ones, are just going to have to die and the rest will have to take it on the chin"
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26/01/2021 10:54:26 19 9
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AND the voters who put this dangerous clown in power...
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26/01/2021 10:59:19 4 2
bbc
To be fair, he was voted in to deliver Brexit. That was all anyone cared about. And had there not been a pandemic, things might have been ok. But that lot of one-issue incompetents were never going to be able to handle anything serious that came along.
26/01/2021 16:53:36 0 0
bbc
Voted in by a minority because the opposition was divided.
The majority didn't want him, but the UK system is so badly gerrymandered to suit the Tories they get a massive majority with a minority of the vote.

Run the #'s on www.electoralcalculus.co.uk they show just how badly the system is rigged towards the Tories.
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26/01/2021 10:46:26 580 231
bbc
Just shows how shambolic dithering Johnson et al have been during this sorry mess. Too late at every turn.
30
26/01/2021 10:52:52 260 74
bbc
Too late at every turn is correct yet the press still accept Ministers saying "it's too early to ...."
643
26/01/2021 12:06:20 0 0
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sweet tooth they are reporting what the minister says
26/01/2021 14:58:48 0 0
bbc
And if they lock down unnecessarily, people die of other things and livelihoods are lost.
15
26/01/2021 10:49:29 94 40
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To make you stop and think and NOT party in big numbers.. as you have been doing
31
26/01/2021 10:53:01 9 3
bbc
I certainly haven't!
86
26/01/2021 11:00:56 3 6
bbc
But the reply from squeezy rather proves your point...
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26/01/2021 10:53:02 358 59
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Why didn't they close the borders last March ?

This isn't hindsight. It's common sense.
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26/01/2021 11:04:23 60 283
bbc
Why should the bordera have been closed then? No sense whatsoever.
153
26/01/2021 11:09:27 10 43
bbc
Closing the borders is populist short term pandering which will do nothing against these variants (guess what - they are already here) but are a further stab in the back to the travel sector.

The government need to get a grip and stop caving in to sensationalist tweets and instead start looking at the bigger, long term picture. Isolationism never leads to prosperity.
326
26/01/2021 11:27:09 7 17
bbc
The Italians closed the border and look how that worked out. Closing the borders didnt work then and still doesnt work....
765
26/01/2021 12:19:16 7 14
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Because the pressure from the media and HYS ensured we got the 1,3m Brits home. Most of the countries they were in wanted rid of them, they desperately wanted to get home and BY LAW, as decreed by our passport, they were entitled to come home. That is why we didn't barricade our borders.
919
26/01/2021 12:34:46 4 12
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If you want to live in a country with closed borders try North Korea.
26/01/2021 13:03:26 4 0
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Let's say 30,000 people had it last March.

Of those, 10,000 had no symptoms

Testing limit then was 1,000 a day

The message last March was to stop all unnecessary travel and contact, it wasn't in law then so the message was largely ignored

What is strange for me, is that then stay at home was for 14 days, it is now 10.

However why hasn't it gone back to 14 with the new variants in circulation?
26/01/2021 13:17:18 5 2
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because Conservatives like money, and Labour likes open borders ideology
26/01/2021 13:22:58 9 2
bbc
Some should stop playing the Tory shift the blame game... a few people have developed a selfish mindset precisely because of deliberate Tory mixed messages.

Bozo shaking hands with CV19 hospital patients & boasting about it.

Bozo failing to criticise beach goers & implying they were patriots.

Eat Out to Help Spread the Virus.

Australia came out of winter with a handful of new daily cases...
26/01/2021 13:55:27 3 0
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You've hit the nail on the head there!
26/01/2021 14:02:54 0 2
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Once you factor in asymptomatic patients, and incubation period, March would have been too late. We would needed to have closed borders in December/January for this to have been effective.

But that would have been "common sense" (at the time?) wouldn't it???
26/01/2021 14:20:24 3 0
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Because Boris wanted his fiancé to have her baby shower at Chequers!
26/01/2021 14:37:53 0 1
bbc
The amount of virus coming in since March has been minimal, Captain Hindsight II.
26/01/2021 15:14:21 0 1
bbc
But the same people who lambasted Trump for wanting close borders to Muslim countries to prevent American turning into the caliphate would have said it was 'racist' and cried on twitter.
26/01/2021 15:36:06 1 0
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Because it would have had no effect; didn't help in the USA. Once the infection is rampant in the country the risk from imported virus is minimal - especially since international travel was minimal anyway. This is about controlling new variants that have not got a hold yet
26/01/2021 16:03:29 0 0
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Didn't want to be labelled as racists
ps
26/01/2021 16:27:36 0 0
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Our government have no common sense.
26/01/2021 16:47:13 0 0
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"Why didn't they close the borders last March ?

This isn't hindsight."

Hindsight is exactly what that is.

Definition:

"The understanding of a situation or event only after it has happened or developed".

Anyway, it was too late: it was already in the UK by then.
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26/01/2021 10:53:04 10 5
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ummagumma

"Close the damn airports now ! I’m livid that 8,000to 10,000 are still coming in daily"

You suggest quit absurdly that the main reason for the high UK death rate is that the virus keeps coming in through the airports. In reality, the UK has many more infections per million than other countries so that only a very brave or a very reckless person would ever consider flying to the UK.
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26/01/2021 11:25:23 2 0
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And how do you think they got here in the first place? Levitation? And to your second point, judging by the pictures of the airports, there are indeed a lot of very reckless people. And they're coming here in their thousands every day.
528
26/01/2021 11:51:53 1 0
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Covid originated abroad and was spread by international travel Einstein.
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26/01/2021 10:48:51 57 18
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I think other countries are doing better than ourselves because they Don't have the majority of mindless Idiots walking around totally ignoring the guidelines, plus these are the countries that stopped air travel, the writing is clearly on the wall
50
26/01/2021 10:55:33 40 4
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Yes, here in France people have not been allowed to enter shops without a mask for many months...
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Pip
26/01/2021 12:44:15 8 2
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I think you're quite blinkered in what you see, there's civil unrest in a lot of these countries, but of course that doesn't suit your narrative does it.........?
26/01/2021 15:17:07 4 0
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I am not convinced that other countries are doing better than us. There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
26/01/2021 16:07:36 2 0
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Ah the Tory victim blaming approach again I see.

Standard Tory response to blame the victims of Tory incompetence for the problems caused by Tory policies.

Unemployed, it's your own fault for being lazy not the fact the gov has destroyed the jobs market.
Overweight, it's your fault, not the fact the gov won't act to reduce hidden fats and sugars in food.
Dying of Covid, that's your own fault...
7
26/01/2021 10:47:05 1177 109
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Looking forward to this ending. The sheer selfishness and arrogance displayed by many throughout has been embarrassing and shameful to watch.

I work in the NHS and face Covid every day. It's so deflating finishing your shift and seeing so many people just not caring, flaunting the rules.

Sooner this is over the better.
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26/01/2021 10:50:54 365 37
bbc
fully support your post on that one
36
26/01/2021 10:53:12 3 5
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Read the BBC story 5 days in Wuhan. Its starting to trickle out now that we should have shut the borders in December/Jan to have had any chance of controlling this.
Next will be how many Chinese nationals live and travel in Europe and which countries have the highest population, wonder who?
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26/01/2021 10:57:12 2 1
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Italy, I'm guessing.
37
26/01/2021 10:53:17 183 55
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Distasteful to see our health minister bounce up to the podium and boast about our handling of this pandemic against a backdrop of figures like these. I fear we're in it for the long haul when some tory mps still seem to talk as if this is simply seasonal flu.
92
26/01/2021 11:02:13 97 180
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Distasteful you people like you to take that sort of attitude.We all know he s doing his best.
766
26/01/2021 12:19:26 17 1
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Johnson is doing his best. His very best. He cannot do any better if he tried. And his cabinet. All sound on wanting a hard brexit that no one advocated before the referendum. All doing their very best.
Some people are not very good.
26/01/2021 13:14:01 6 1
bbc
His 'best' was missing 5 Cobra meetings last March when the decision should have made to close the border.

Deaths in Japan (double UK population) 5,000.
26/01/2021 14:47:34 0 1
bbc
rant rant rant
26/01/2021 15:07:16 0 1
bbc
Which Conservative MPs have described Covid as 'seasonal flu?' . Please give some examples.
26/01/2021 15:37:52 1 1
bbc
ABSOLUTE RUBBISH
6
26/01/2021 10:46:57 12 39
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If you get hit by a bus at 60 mph and you have Covid in your system....

You died of Covid.
38
26/01/2021 10:53:22 5 2
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Only if you've had a positive test result, in which case you should be isolating at home.
6
26/01/2021 10:46:57 12 39
bbc
If you get hit by a bus at 60 mph and you have Covid in your system....

You died of Covid.
39
26/01/2021 10:53:28 1 1
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But think of it on the other side - how many have died after 28 days of a positive test from COVID.

We're not told that figure and I would think the number is not good !!
40
26/01/2021 10:53:50 245 103
bbc
No resignations and an outcome they are proud of! Laughable response from Johnson. Dither and delay.

Ignore
Panic
Blame
Repeat
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ken
26/01/2021 11:43:01 144 197
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And you honestly think Starmer would be better? Joke.
26/01/2021 13:51:03 1 2
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What rubbish you write
26/01/2021 15:04:00 0 1
bbc
You are one of those BBC posters who want to rant about the government, no matter what the topic.
26/01/2021 16:23:20 0 1
bbc
Starmer would be worse. I follow politics and know labour is into identity politics, which is totally reprehensible. Conservative have my vote ??
21
26/01/2021 10:50:59 73 14
bbc
Would be interesting to see what other other countries classify as a "Covid Death". Do we compare ourselves with other countries like for like?
41
26/01/2021 10:54:00 31 7
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I doubt it!
4
26/01/2021 10:46:09 109 46
bbc
Overweight unhealthy population and government mismanagemet. Oh .... and the highly paid WHO have been a bit quiet lately?
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26/01/2021 10:54:09 167 105
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No. The WHO have NOT supported the UK policy of only giving one jab of Pfizer vaccine. They have been busy keep the rest of the world safe. They've given up with saving the British because we have such rubbish leadership.
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26/01/2021 11:15:13 7 7
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you are being too kind; the leadership have indirectly kiled thousands due to their strategies/policies. There aspire to being merely rubbish in their dreams.
26/01/2021 13:23:25 0 3
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The WHO have never in their whole existence kept the world safe. If they had we wouldn't be where we are now.
Mup
26/01/2021 14:45:07 0 1
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You are always welcome to leave if you dont like it here
26/01/2021 14:48:27 0 0
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Says who, Mr Super Rant?!
26/01/2021 15:14:23 0 0
bbc
Oh dear, you are embittered, aren't you? Unfortunately, the government has a majority of 80 seats and there is no election until 2024. If only we had elected Corbyn.......
26/01/2021 15:48:06 0 0
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We also have a lot of rubbish comments.
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26/01/2021 10:47:05 1177 109
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Looking forward to this ending. The sheer selfishness and arrogance displayed by many throughout has been embarrassing and shameful to watch.

I work in the NHS and face Covid every day. It's so deflating finishing your shift and seeing so many people just not caring, flaunting the rules.

Sooner this is over the better.
43
26/01/2021 10:54:10 52 186
bbc
Operation Blame The Public
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26/01/2021 11:08:37 150 33
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That's because the public ARE to blame!! MPs may be stupid but they aren't the one's holding house parties and traveling all over the country for a McDonalds. Blaming anyone else is just cowardly.
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26/01/2021 11:12:22 25 13
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You mean as the Government wish you to do even though the majority of failings are down to them including people not caring about mixing with others and spreading the virus. Oh not not the Cummings issue raising its head again? Yep those ripples still go on and on and on.
180
26/01/2021 11:12:53 64 9
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I'm guessing you go to bed at night dreaming of being a decent human being.

The poster you replied to is an NHS worker and deserves support and thanks, not dismissive arrogant comments.
537
26/01/2021 11:52:44 11 6
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The UK public needs to take some responsibility for having the highest death rates in Europe.

It might be a start if you stopped voting the Tories into power every four or five years. They have emasculated the NHS and are hellbent in breaking it up and selling it off to the highest bidders.
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CJR
26/01/2021 12:29:47 8 3
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Well who else’s fault is it? If people are irresponsible and selfish not to follow guidelines then deaths are unfortunately going to go up. I am just awaiting the moaning and whining from said individuals when they realise that a holiday abroad is not happening this year, but they had to have Christmas etc, if they had followed the guidelines we may not be in this 3rd lockdown.
882
26/01/2021 12:32:02 5 1
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There is a lot to blame on them....of course the ones who have deliberately ignored the advice/guidance and blatantly flouted the law. Sadly the idiots are still at it.
7
26/01/2021 10:47:05 1177 109
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Looking forward to this ending. The sheer selfishness and arrogance displayed by many throughout has been embarrassing and shameful to watch.

I work in the NHS and face Covid every day. It's so deflating finishing your shift and seeing so many people just not caring, flaunting the rules.

Sooner this is over the better.
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26/01/2021 10:54:23 111 15
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I know you probably sick of hearing people saying well done. But I would like say thank you and many millions of others in NHS for your sacrifice! I wasn't one of these clapping NHS rubbish as I think it's patronising. Hope you all get the payrise you all deserve after this.
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26/01/2021 11:01:19 36 56
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There'll be no pay rises just like in the private sector where millions now have no job as a result of endless lockdown
29
26/01/2021 10:52:44 25 8
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Moses "Let my people go" Johnson was voted into power with a landslide victory by the British voting public. Don't blame him, put it where it belongs with your friends, relatives, neighbours and colleagues that created this mess. . He's done exactly what he said he'd do when he said "A lot of you, and you're loved ones, are just going to have to die and the rest will have to take it on the chin"
45
26/01/2021 10:54:26 19 9
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AND the voters who put this dangerous clown in power...
46
26/01/2021 10:54:27 31 8
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should have locked down earlier, closed airports/ports and any people still coming in, use the local hotels for isolation instead of letting people "promising" to isolate at home
As for their fudging the figures with the 28 days period, if you are in hospital for 5 weeks you do not count as a death, or cancer deaths due to lack of treatment due to covid restrictions don't count either - bonkers
88
26/01/2021 11:01:10 10 19
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How about holding God accountable since He is supposed to control everything.
26/01/2021 13:20:31 1 0
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And similarly
if you have contracted a mild dose of Covid but don't need to go to hospital, recover at home, but then within 28 days of the initial diagnosis you die in a car crash your death will still be recorded as Covid related.

Too many different ways of recording deaths from Covid across the world so unfair to say that the UK compares unfavourably with other countries.
47
26/01/2021 10:54:30 94 15
bbc
Let's get through this, then hold those who made the decisions accountable.
96
26/01/2021 11:02:35 49 77
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How about holding God accountable since He is supposed to be in charge.
alternatively, remove the people who are not getting us through this and then hold them accountable. Lets just let the drunk pilot get us to the beach and then we will have a stern word with him.
263
26/01/2021 11:22:13 4 6
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You mean every selfish Brit who's caused so many deaths?
26/01/2021 13:02:00 5 3
bbc
Why not get through this and point the finger at China?
26/01/2021 15:18:49 1 0
bbc
Does that include members of the public who repeatedly broke rules and made poor decisions therefore spreading the virus?
26/01/2021 15:41:18 0 0
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LETS MAKE THE RULE FLOUTING POPULATION ACCOUNTABLE
26/01/2021 16:37:49 0 1
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That's the trouble with todays society, every body has to be accountable then hanged from the nearest lamp post. We need to learn from this in preparation for the next time, not just blame everyone else
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26/01/2021 10:54:49 4 5
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Take the tv news estimation of hospital and care home deaths to 10 days ago and add the next 10 days plus deaths from covid on death certificates not in the groups I,ve mentioned,the real death total is higher.

It would be irresponsible of me to name an actual figure because it has not been announced-the inquiry in the future will have a lot to say about this issue of the true covid death toll
49
26/01/2021 10:55:09 15 6
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Shameful. Deaths were inevitable but not on this scale. I can remember the attitudes of the 1960s and how so many in this country arrogantly mocked the standards and the people of developing countries. How the tables have turned!
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26/01/2021 10:48:51 57 18
bbc
I think other countries are doing better than ourselves because they Don't have the majority of mindless Idiots walking around totally ignoring the guidelines, plus these are the countries that stopped air travel, the writing is clearly on the wall
50
26/01/2021 10:55:33 40 4
bbc
Yes, here in France people have not been allowed to enter shops without a mask for many months...
433
26/01/2021 11:40:00 2 0
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That'll be the cheese.
26/01/2021 15:17:43 1 0
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They are too busy setting fire to things.
26/01/2021 16:01:40 1 0
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And as a result COVID has been defeated?
51
26/01/2021 10:55:36 3 12
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How many autopsies have been performed on Covid victims ? You won't get an answer from the Coroners office because they are not subject to FOI requests. Therefore, I am assuming a total of zero.
58
26/01/2021 10:57:02 7 3
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Therefore I am assuming 100%.

I would suggest it's somewhere in between.
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26/01/2021 10:59:20 2 1
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Assume anything you like; its likely wrong. There will have been large numbers of autopsies where appropriate. The law on this has probably not been changed.
52
26/01/2021 10:55:52 34 14
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Don't worry, Boris is actively thinking about making a decision - possibly!
26/01/2021 13:20:30 8 4
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or u-turning on a previous one
26/01/2021 16:32:19 0 0
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And that decision will be who he blames for the previous failure to make a decision. Will it be the victims, the opposition, the NHS or the people who followed the rules his government put in place.

Currently those following the rules are favorites to be blamed as Tory viewpoint is they should have known the rules were stupid as the Tories came up with them.
53
26/01/2021 10:56:36 8 5
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At this time of national emergency I would suggest the private health industry is placed under NHS management to help everyone.
108
26/01/2021 11:00:26 3 3
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Never place anything under NHS management. It's the management that are the biggest problem in the organisation.
134
26/01/2021 11:07:02 1 2
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The NHS management struggles to run it’s own show never mind taking on private resources. Maybe it should be the other way round and private enterprise should run the NHS.
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26/01/2021 10:45:40 234 41
bbc
still struggling to see why our excess deaths are so high and other countries with supposedly inferior health systems are a lot lower when their lockdowns have not been as severe as ours or as extended. Lot to learn from australia and NZ.
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26/01/2021 10:56:40 48 37
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Ours are high because we use a ludicrous definition of "a covid death". Other countries are more circumspect. That's why international comparisons are a waste of time. "Apples v Hippopotami".!
600
26/01/2021 12:00:15 3 3
bbc
In what way "ludicrous"?
The point of the above article is that of death certificates mentioning Covid is over 104,000. Within that article it clearly says 9 out of 10 certificates give Covid as the cause. Simple maths means that says at least 90,000+ deaths caused by Covid - which is not that far off the official measurement method
684
26/01/2021 12:10:16 3 0
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Excess deaths are perhaps more relevant. That still makes uk one of the worst places.
26/01/2021 13:47:57 2 1
bbc
When you see the documentation around deaths and what registrars were asked to put down as first causes, you can see that the public have been misled. Other countries did not adhere to the request to certify deaths in the way they were directed here.
26/01/2021 14:07:19 1 1
bbc
A death is a death - shouldn't matter who.if.what or why. We are supposed to be a world class country its the total number of deaths that matter - the rest is irrelevant
4
26/01/2021 10:46:09 109 46
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Overweight unhealthy population and government mismanagemet. Oh .... and the highly paid WHO have been a bit quiet lately?
55
26/01/2021 10:56:40 16 9
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You forgot by far the biggest group, the thick, self absorbed, selfish, and grossly inconsiderate rule breakers, who happily spread it about, then complain about tuition fees and lack of jobs. Now the government is thinking of rewarding said group with £500 for catching it, then wasting yet more tax payers money on finding them jobs and letting them go unpunished.
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GW
26/01/2021 11:14:46 1 5
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Usually based in London which virtually didnt lockdown and people travelled the world
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26/01/2021 11:16:11 12 6
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'You forgot by far the biggest group, the thick, self absorbed, selfish, and grossly inconsiderate rule breakers, who happily spread it about, '

yes but is that really a way to talk about the Uk gov/cabinet?
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26/01/2021 11:15:43 4 13
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You say it like rule breakers are from just one demographic, don't hold back on your feelings towards millennials will you. It's easy to stay in when you have savings, paid mortgages, help with winter fuel bills, help with license fee's and 5 homes.
26/01/2021 14:36:26 2 0
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You forgot by far the group most culpable: the thick, self absorbed, selfish, and grossly incompetent members of this Brexi-tory government!
56
26/01/2021 10:56:56 24 9
bbc
The Tories love banding about big numbers that they think make them look good.
Now they've got a new one. 104,000 deaths. Go Boris Go.
85
26/01/2021 11:00:30 2 8
bbc
Any blame Boris and his Government? If people have weight vid what have they not done which they should have done to avoid it?
57
26/01/2021 10:57:00 183 27
bbc
In part it is people who don't care about anyone else, and in part the government failing to act in a timely manor and lifting restrictions too early to satisfy its own MPs.

some of the population have to also bear responsibility for not adhering to the rules laid out, and finding so called loopholes, just in my little street of 17 homes 2 refuse to keep to the rules, even in bad weather, sad
769
26/01/2021 12:19:54 106 69
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The Tories always prioritize their pals, not us. Lockdown as late as possible, re-open as soon as possible, give them a boost with Eat Out To Help Out and dodgy PPE contracts...

We were always going to be sacrificed to help their chums get rich(er) quick in this time of crisis.
26/01/2021 12:48:55 1 1
bbc
Manner. A manor is a large house.
26/01/2021 13:27:31 6 2
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Some should stop playing the Tory shift the blame game... a few people have developed a selfish mindset precisely because of deliberate Tory mixed messages.

Bozo shaking hands with CV19 hospital patients & boasting about it.

Bozo failing to criticise beach goers & implying they were patriots.

Eat Out to Help Spread the Virus.

Australia came out of winter with a handful of new daily cases...
26/01/2021 13:36:26 3 6
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Stokie, a question about those 2 houses who refuse to keep to the rules, have any of them contracted Covid, any required hospital treatment, any of them died, etc as a result of not sticking to the rules?

I would guess not, and if so does that mean that the risk of not sticking to the rules isnt as great as the Governemnt would have us believe
26/01/2021 14:36:51 3 0
bbc
If you don't financially support low paid victims of Covid how do you expect them to self-isolate?
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26/01/2021 10:55:36 3 12
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How many autopsies have been performed on Covid victims ? You won't get an answer from the Coroners office because they are not subject to FOI requests. Therefore, I am assuming a total of zero.
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26/01/2021 10:57:02 7 3
bbc
Therefore I am assuming 100%.

I would suggest it's somewhere in between.
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26/01/2021 10:53:12 3 5
bbc
Read the BBC story 5 days in Wuhan. Its starting to trickle out now that we should have shut the borders in December/Jan to have had any chance of controlling this.
Next will be how many Chinese nationals live and travel in Europe and which countries have the highest population, wonder who?
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26/01/2021 10:57:12 2 1
bbc
Italy, I'm guessing.
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26/01/2021 10:46:57 12 39
bbc
If you get hit by a bus at 60 mph and you have Covid in your system....

You died of Covid.
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26/01/2021 10:57:23 5 2
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You die of cancer as your treatment stopped due to the hospital stopping everything due to Covid. Your death is a "covid related" death as covid stopped the treatment but you are not classed as covid death and your primary cause of death is your cancer
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26/01/2021 10:57:28 6 6
bbc
Different population sizes and densities, different Covid "death" reporting schemes, different testing regimes etc.

What meaning let alone usefulness (filling part of a BBC web page doesn't count) could any comparison, sorry, analysis possibly have?

Who are: Robert Cuffe, Becky Dale and Nassos Stylianou and do we need to know?
87
26/01/2021 11:01:06 7 3
bbc
Still trying to excuse Boris's incompetence.

The actions of this incompetent government are indefensible.
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26/01/2021 10:52:01 325 63
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So sad. It didnt need to be like this.

Some countries took decisive action when it was needed.

They realised that you wouldnt need lockdowns if you stopped the virus at the borders with enforced quarantine.

They are living almost normally now.

No 100,000 deaths, no 500 billion hit to the economy, no endless lockdowns.

Compare that to the UK!
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26/01/2021 10:57:31 404 51
bbc
Problem is; here in the UK there's a large minority of us who have refused to comply with the comparatively mild lockdown measures we have had to date.

So I can only imagine the protests, wailing, bleating and gnashing of teeth we would have seen had our government gone in anywhere near as hard with the lockdown measures, as those adopted by may other democracies.

Too many of us are too entitled
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26/01/2021 11:17:10 24 12
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Oh I'm sick of this excuse!!

Yes we have idiots in this country. But every country has idiots. It's the job of the government to control the idiots.

As for 'harsh' lockdown measures. We are living through them right now!!!

It's not the harshness that matters. It's the timing of when you introduce them and we left it too late every time!!!
579
26/01/2021 11:57:29 12 6
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and too many of us sit in sanctimonious judgement of others -if you had lost your home, business or job perhaps you would not be such an advocate of measures that do not harm you
681
26/01/2021 12:10:03 18 0
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Not just the UK - take a look at the riots in the Netherlands. Lockdowns require compliance and if people refuse to comply then any strategy is seriously compromised.
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26/01/2021 12:11:30 10 7
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yes, nigel farage, stanleyJohnson, Laurence fox, the CRG conservative MP's, the way Johnson responded to Cummings escapades - it's not a large minority. And if you think Johnson not setting a travel limit, and not saying don't run off to your second homes didn't encourage people...If the PM says you can do this, people will do it And even if he trusted us, didn't he learn back May 8th 2020?
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26/01/2021 12:13:24 11 1
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You are viewing this now, after people are fed up with lockdown 3.0 and people wondering if there is an end in sight.

Back in March, people were actually scared of this, and people actually did a really good job with lockdown, cases in the summer were very very low and deaths were very low.

So what did we do? we all went on a jolly abroad....
838
26/01/2021 12:27:39 8 4
bbc
Don't blame yourself or "us". That's what is expected. It is the Governments job to engender public trust and get the messaging right so that the country pulls together. It has failed on that from the beginning.
26/01/2021 12:46:35 10 7
bbc
On the other hand, many European countries have had anti-lockdown riots. There is always a section of the population who believe what any far-right 'Populist' tells them, and they have been making hay in the last six months. The USA isn't the only place with the sort of loons that join militias - we have plenty as well, but they can't, thankfully, go to Tesco and buy assault rifles.
26/01/2021 12:52:08 0 0
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Those ongoing restrictions are the most likely to trigger non-compliance; its much easier to cope with harsher but time-limited measures.

Suppressing cases out of existence is easier to live with day-to-day, as life carries on as normal with the country.

Not such good news for foreign travelers or businesses that rely on them though
26/01/2021 12:53:31 2 2
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Afraid that’s part of the territory being a Toryfied country.
26/01/2021 13:07:39 2 2
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That's right don't blame this inept and corrupt government blame people, and standby for more of the same.
26/01/2021 13:13:05 6 5
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Too many of us are too entitled.

Wow. Imagine being so 'entitled' to want to visit your family or watch a movie at the cinema. It's not like people are telling the government to pay us all 100k a year or for everyone to be issued with a super yacht for crying out loud.

If in your world, having basic human freedoms is being 'entitled', then I don't want to live in it, thanks.
26/01/2021 13:18:23 2 2
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@incurable

Stop playing the Tory shift the blame game... a few people have developed a resistance mindset precisely because of deliberate Tory mixed messages.

Bozo shaking hands with CV19 hospital patients & boasting about it.

Bozo failing to criticise beach goers & implying they were patriots.

Eat Out to Help Spread the Virus.

Australia came out of winter with a handful of new daily cases...
26/01/2021 13:20:58 0 0
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Covid will, in time deal with them.
26/01/2021 13:57:54 4 0
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My observation of vaccination queues is that even they can't distance. We knew 52% of the population is stupid, appears to be a larger part of the older population (and I'm one by the way).
26/01/2021 14:47:55 1 1
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This is the propaganda this government wants you to believe - that it is due to the irresponsible behaviour of others and not their irresponsible governing. deliberate running down of the NHS resulting in 50,000 nurses short at the start, No PPE reserves (against advice), no border closures, late and barely enforced lockdowns ...

but thats OK - they can blame it on a few youngsters
26/01/2021 15:02:53 0 1
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The rules should have been clearer and better enforced
26/01/2021 15:13:15 1 0
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Really Well Put! Attitudes need to change.
26/01/2021 15:42:14 1 0
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And too many don't think of the UK as home, its just somewhere to work and earn towards a better life and then go back to see family overseas.
26/01/2021 16:46:22 0 1
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Not true, when 72,000+ of the excess deaths occurred, 10 months ago, the UK was in the first lock down go and check google's mobility data, the UK compliance was better than Wuhan's in their lock-down.
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26/01/2021 10:57:32 8 13
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I’m not a very strong swimmer and seeing as though only 325 under 65 with no health issues have died in over a year and more people drown every year then I’m going to ask the corporation I work for to mandate arm bands and rubber rings in the communal spaces, just to be safe. Don’t even get me started on stairs, why we still allow them is beyond me
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26/01/2021 10:50:39 82 50
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Well done Boris, top of the charts...
64
26/01/2021 10:57:34 38 16
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I wonder if he knows, might be finishing his book off
426
26/01/2021 11:39:05 5 0
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He'll need some more crayons if he is going to finish his book.
26/01/2021 14:40:59 1 0
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Can't wait! Loved that bit in his carefully researched Churchill biography where the German army occupied Stalingrad??
1
26/01/2021 10:45:14 335 33
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Just how far in front of Italy did we need to be to see this coming?
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26/01/2021 10:57:45 304 197
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I've struggled from the start with the lack of context given with the stream of statistics
They could have been given, broken down by..
Age
From Covid
With Covid
Carehome setting
Hospital setting
If the infection was acquired after admission or before.
For instance at the end of Dec. only 389 Under 60's had died From Covid alone.
It seems they want to generate fear.
And it's certainly worked
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26/01/2021 11:08:01 35 85
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But when you discover that basically only those who were going to die within 12 months of old age or chronic disease are likely to die from Covid you lose your stick to bash Boris and Brexit. And we know that that is the Beeb's reason to be now.
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26/01/2021 11:08:44 83 50
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This statistic of 389 under 60's is such ignorance, just because they had an underlying health issue doesn't mean they would have died. Underlying conditions include asthma, high blood pressure, diabetes, hardly short term death sentences.

Are you proud of posting this drivel?
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26/01/2021 11:09:28 46 12
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"For instance at the end of Dec. only 389 Under 60's had died From Covid alone."
Curious. According to the bar graph above approximately 9,500 under 65's have died from it.
Any idea why there's such a massive difference between your number and the official one?
185
26/01/2021 11:13:14 45 28
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What's more scary are people who refuse to accept the reality of the situation. People like you.
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26/01/2021 11:26:58 10 14
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Because there is something to be frightened of Dipstick.
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Rob
26/01/2021 11:44:49 12 5
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|Fully agree. I just wish the lazy journalists would forget the ugly headlines, and start to look at the stats behind them. ie does this figure include the 14,400 C19 deaths registered in 1st wave that were not. How many were children? How many acquired in school? How many in leisure industry?
497
26/01/2021 11:47:50 4 9
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How disappointing. "Only 389 under 60's". What an awful way to analyse the situation. Having lots of data is great but let's try not to forget that these are actual LIVES.
566
26/01/2021 11:56:15 8 6
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"For instance at the end of Dec. only 389 Under 60's had died From Covid alone."

Deaths isn't the only stats you should be looking at - I know at least three people who are struggling with long covid, one has been unable to return to work since ;recovering' four months ago.

You like stats - go find those numbers and work out the long term impact on family's, the NHS and society
575
26/01/2021 11:56:55 7 6
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project fear,
726
26/01/2021 12:15:28 6 4
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You need to dig deeper into the stats to know that the figure of 389 is misleading. The underlying condition of ‘other’ on the death certificate is completed for any treatment by a GP eg migraine, eczema, broken arm, depression etc. It’s a bit like believing that a full jumbo jet that crashes only was responsible for 10 deaths because everyone else went to the doctors and received a prescription
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26/01/2021 12:21:03 5 5
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And what is your source for this 389 figure? Is it better or more reliable than the ONS, whose date above shows that over 12,000 deaths were people under 60? Who cares if they had an 'underlying condition'? The end result is the same, and they wouldn't have died without covid accelerating the process.

Maybe part of the problem is that people like you think they know better!
952
26/01/2021 12:39:53 8 4
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Yes, the brutal truth is that the vast majority of deaths have been in the over eighties and the majority of people in ICUs are middle-aged and older paying for a poor diet and lifestyle.
26/01/2021 12:56:30 4 2
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I agree, I am utterly sick & tired of the constant fear mongering going on, I find it all very draining. Happy with being kept informed but this constant need to focus on the number of new infections & deaths on a daily basis is not healthy or indeed good for people to keep having drummed into them every day. This government have already shown their facts cannot be relied upon.
26/01/2021 12:59:56 6 0
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As regards Johnson, well where do I start. The man is an incompetent clown, how he every got to where he is, is just beyond me. I switch the tv over whenever he appears as I just cannot listen to him. He has no idea what he is going to say until after he has said it.
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ABM
26/01/2021 10:51:35 4 18
bbc
The death figures are false. I work in a hospital and some deaths from 'covid 19' were actually down to heart attacks and other causes of deaths. It is a terrible situation we are in but made to sound even worse by scaremongering from the governments and authorities.
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26/01/2021 11:01:19 3 1
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So I guess the primary cause of death is "Heart attack" and not "Covid-19" ?

TBH I don't think the gvt want it to sound worse as it makes them look even more incompetent than they actually are
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26/01/2021 11:06:12 1 1
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Of course that's true, it's probably impossible to know whether that person would have had the heart attack if they hadn't contracted covid. It would be equally problematic to discount those people from the covid numbers. It is right to include them in the covid related deaths in a pandemic.

There are tough choices to be made and a maturity is required when assessing the data.
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26/01/2021 10:53:00 184 69
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What I find utterly staggering is the people on here that get all protective when the government is criticised, saying things like "what would you do then?".

You act like Boris is your dad and you take it personally.

How many deaths are the government responsible for?

Half of the people on here would say zero which is tragic.
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26/01/2021 11:04:20 154 81
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What ever decisions Boris makes, others complain about. Shut schools, then teachers complained. Khan wanted outer London in lockdown and the centre open then complained it was all locked down, now he complains further restrictions are needed. Deaths would be lower if everyone used their commonsense and followed the rules and left politicians to bicker. Boris can't be blamed for selfish stupidity.
255
26/01/2021 11:20:28 15 1
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Yep. Particularly annoying when people say the only reason we have more deaths than New Zealand is nothing to do with government policy and solely down to us having an unhealthier population!

Like really? You think us having 100,000 deaths and New Zealand having 25 deaths, is purely cos of the health of the population?

FYI, New Zealand actually has a higher obesity rate (32%) than the UK (28%).
26/01/2021 12:57:59 0 4
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Virus is responsible for the deaths not the government.
People are responsible for not taking this situation seriously.
The government is doing it’s best and compared to governments in other countries it’s not doing badly.
Thank god Labour are not in charge.
26/01/2021 13:08:47 3 0
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The fact is this is a global crisis and needs clear messaging and a government of talented people prepared to take tough decisions promptly and lead by example. We have a cabinet of those ideologically committed to Brexit. Too many decisions take too long to make. Leadership means those in power should follow the spirit as well as the letter of the law. And financial support for self isolating
26/01/2021 15:09:19 0 1
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What I find utterly staggering is the people on here who want to rant and rave at Boris Johnson and the Conservatives, no matter what the topic. Your criticisms are answered and you take it personally.
26/01/2021 15:17:13 2 0
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It's a cluster of problems from slow decision making and poor decisions (in some instances) at the top and the selfish attitude of many people in the public that have lead to the situation we are now.

We all know if we have followed the rules or not/bent them to suit our situation. We need to take a serious look at the national attitude.
26/01/2021 16:31:58 1 0
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The deaths were caused by Covid not Boris. In WW2 people knew Hitler was the problem not Churchill. OK in hindsight some things could have been done differently but would it have made a difference and indeed would it have caused worse problems. By the way what would you have done differently?
68
26/01/2021 10:58:27 100 33
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There they were again at the weekend, outside in the snow, standing cheek to jowl and it’s the governments fault.
436
26/01/2021 11:40:17 33 28
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Yes it is as it is tories who whinge most about the lockdowns causing them to be too late for too many - wake up and smell the coffee Donald.
26/01/2021 13:04:49 1 2
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Its China's fault!!
69
26/01/2021 10:58:36 7 19
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BBC twisting the figures again to get an anti-govt. headline - we won't know until the 'deaths from within 28 days of a COVID test' figures come out later today. what the comparable increase was. Despicable - but not untypical - reporting!
109
26/01/2021 11:04:12 2 2
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Must be a Brexiter. If you don't like the message, blame the messenger.

How naive can one be?
135
26/01/2021 11:07:08 1 1
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You take this anti-Government thing too seriously. Get off you high horse and look for yourself. News is news and yes the UK Government has not been very good at tackling things like test and trace etc. At least they took the advice to get the Army in to help distribute the vaccines. It would actually be despicable not holding the Government to account where failings did not need to happen.
5
26/01/2021 10:46:26 580 231
bbc
Just shows how shambolic dithering Johnson et al have been during this sorry mess. Too late at every turn.
70
26/01/2021 10:59:00 41 9
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At the very start they didn't know quite how much asymptomatic transmission contributed. They also didn't know about the third symptom of loss of taste and/or smell.

However, they could have closed schools when every other EU country was closing theirs AND they could have controlled borders more like what they are doing now.

We were also "4 weeks" behind Italy, but did NOTHING!
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26/01/2021 10:59:07 31 11
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It’s quite simple, the country is still open for business so certain people can make money. The number of deaths will be set at a rate that they can get away with, while making a profit.
168
26/01/2021 11:11:23 9 2
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Yesssss........spot on
26/01/2021 16:53:16 0 0
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How do you suggest everyone continues to make a living? We will be paying for the furlough scheme etc for generations to come. Not sure how anyone there is making a profit.
4
26/01/2021 10:46:09 109 46
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Overweight unhealthy population and government mismanagemet. Oh .... and the highly paid WHO have been a bit quiet lately?
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26/01/2021 10:59:09 21 4
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WHO have always championed a Test and Trace - which is something we have sadly failed on in this country - other countries who have a good Test and Trace have had far less death rates (AUS and NZ are examples, but incase people think their population is too small, compare against Japan)
29
26/01/2021 10:52:44 25 8
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Moses "Let my people go" Johnson was voted into power with a landslide victory by the British voting public. Don't blame him, put it where it belongs with your friends, relatives, neighbours and colleagues that created this mess. . He's done exactly what he said he'd do when he said "A lot of you, and you're loved ones, are just going to have to die and the rest will have to take it on the chin"
73
26/01/2021 10:59:19 4 2
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To be fair, he was voted in to deliver Brexit. That was all anyone cared about. And had there not been a pandemic, things might have been ok. But that lot of one-issue incompetents were never going to be able to handle anything serious that came along.
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26/01/2021 10:55:36 3 12
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How many autopsies have been performed on Covid victims ? You won't get an answer from the Coroners office because they are not subject to FOI requests. Therefore, I am assuming a total of zero.
74
26/01/2021 10:59:20 2 1
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Assume anything you like; its likely wrong. There will have been large numbers of autopsies where appropriate. The law on this has probably not been changed.
16
26/01/2021 10:49:35 384 147
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Shocking ineptitude shown by the current government.
75
26/01/2021 10:59:30 64 219
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Is it possible that the Lockdown experiment has actually made matters worse than they would otherwise have been.
What we know for sure is, the collateral damage it's caused is incalculable.
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/01/25/heres-a-graph-they-dont-want-you-to-see/
155
26/01/2021 11:09:31 23 6
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If you ignore the fall in deaths, cases and hospital admissions after a few weeks of the first lockdown and the big drop in cases we are already seeing in this lockdown (falls in hospital admissions and deaths will follow in the next 2 to 3 weeks) then absolutely the lockdown has failed to achieve its objectives
339
26/01/2021 11:29:53 14 9
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Fake news
466
26/01/2021 11:44:04 24 7
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I’m fine with you being opposed to lockdown and fully support your right to express your opinions freely. Just stay in doors when it’s not essential and don’t take your mask off and breathe all over my mum when she is doing her weekly shop cos she’s 79 and has a heart condition. There’s a difference between freedom of speech and being a @#£&*+.
551
26/01/2021 11:55:02 14 5
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Your reference seems to think that herd immunity works with 40% of the population immune - shows that they simply don't understand herd immunity!
805
26/01/2021 12:23:19 10 4
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100,000 people are dead, that's a stone cold fact. No evidence for your "collateral damage".
829
26/01/2021 12:25:36 7 3
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Unscientific, agenda driven nonsense.
961
26/01/2021 12:41:14 4 2
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Probably true, but what's your answer to the sight of people on street corners gasping for air and dying because there are no hospital beds?
26/01/2021 12:47:00 2 2
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but surely you understand that covid is the only thing that matters. Collateral damage ..... hmmm so be it.
26/01/2021 12:49:59 1 1
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If 'they' don't want me to see it I'm confident it's b-lox...
26/01/2021 13:19:43 2 1
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it's also possible you will win the lottery so shy not quit your job on that basis?
26/01/2021 14:29:22 1 1
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Here's a bit of whataboutery:(
26/01/2021 15:21:55 0 1
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How selfish can you get. So by your analogy it’s ok to let people die without doing something to mitigate the virus transmission. Dammed if you do and dammed if you don’t. Stop whinging and get on with it. If your not happy leave and live somewhere else. North Korea springs to mind.
26/01/2021 16:26:05 0 1
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Fool
26/01/2021 16:39:14 0 1
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dont be moronic - what a load of conspiracy theory garbage, look at Australia, look at New Zealand - both had some of the hardest lock downs in the world, both have a tiny fraction of the cases we do, & in some parts are back to something resembling normal life.
The hard truth is lock down works - the virus needs people to spread - people just dont like it, hence try to discredit lockdown
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26/01/2021 10:59:32 10 5
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Covid has been an absolute disaster on numerous levels, but what it has shown is is we can instigate change in a very short period of time. If we are smart, we could take the harsh lesson we have learned here about the importance of acting when it can make a real difference and apply to our other well known crisis that is our climate. IF we are smart that is.
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26/01/2021 11:07:45 2 2
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The only problem we have with that is that the majority understand the threat, accept the guidelines and are sensible......then, like in "all walks of life" we have the selfish, inconsiderate, uncaring minority who make all the efforts the majority do last longer and more painful - these individuals are known as covidiots
562
26/01/2021 11:55:57 0 0
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I would love to know what your point of view is that downvotes this?
You don’t want to be smarter and apply lessons learned to avoid mistakes relating to missing opportunities to act?
Interesting.
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26/01/2021 10:45:40 234 41
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still struggling to see why our excess deaths are so high and other countries with supposedly inferior health systems are a lot lower when their lockdowns have not been as severe as ours or as extended. Lot to learn from australia and NZ.
77
26/01/2021 10:59:57 45 16
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Does it not follow that countries with inferior health systems, might also have inferior methods of recording cases and deaths. You can't honestly believe that nations like Nigeria or South Africa have recorded even 50% of cases and deaths. A lot of the population are never recorded as being born, let alone getting corona virus and kicking the bucket.
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26/01/2021 11:16:16 28 6
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Before a real judgement of who has done well or not there are a lot of factors that people seem to be ignoring that need to be considered.
Population density - UK has one of the highest pop densities in the world for a largish country.
UK has a large mobile population with people travelling to, from and through the UK all the time.
Climate.
Less authoritarian than some states.
+ more.

BBC story
667
26/01/2021 12:08:48 2 0
bbc
Excess deaths would be quite tricky to hide if they were very significant.
78
26/01/2021 11:00:11 38 22
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New Zealand and Australia have shown what competent leaders can do Boris take note because so far you've done a crap job
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26/01/2021 11:04:40 30 15
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A tube analogy - NZ and A are at the end of the Northern Line. UK, US etc are major interchanges on the central line.

The only thing they did more right was a year ago when they stopped international travel. Otherwise a pointless comparison.
507
26/01/2021 11:49:39 0 0
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He hasn't been that good.
79
26/01/2021 11:00:12 33 8
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A black day certainly. I do not believe our leaders lack compassion or a will to get things right but they are locked into a certain set of free market beliefs which hold too much sway. This led to frankly ludicrous decisions last summer upon the lifting of restrictions and enforcement of the rules they knew to be essential which in turn led us to this shameful point.
170
26/01/2021 11:11:49 16 9
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and don't get me going on Eat out to Help out. . .
15
26/01/2021 10:49:29 94 40
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To make you stop and think and NOT party in big numbers.. as you have been doing
80
26/01/2021 11:00:16 17 5
bbc
Standard response from someone who thinks everyone is out partying. Try asking how many of these deaths were from people admitted to hospital for a non Covid issue but then caught it in there.
29
26/01/2021 10:52:44 25 8
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Moses "Let my people go" Johnson was voted into power with a landslide victory by the British voting public. Don't blame him, put it where it belongs with your friends, relatives, neighbours and colleagues that created this mess. . He's done exactly what he said he'd do when he said "A lot of you, and you're loved ones, are just going to have to die and the rest will have to take it on the chin"
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Ray
26/01/2021 10:51:32 39 18
bbc
How many have to die before some people start to take this seriously ?
82
26/01/2021 10:57:06 17 2
bbc
70m
83
26/01/2021 10:57:30 5 18
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Topped 100,000 on the dodgy basis by which they are reported. How many people who didn't have something else wrong with their health have actually been killed BY this virus? Dropping dead from a heart attack or dying of terminal cancer a few days/weeks after "testing positive", don't count.
84
26/01/2021 11:00:21 5 20
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News ... people who have died because they are old ... are being written down as died with covid.
102
26/01/2021 11:03:18 3 1
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Only if they tested positive up to 28 days prior.
56
26/01/2021 10:56:56 24 9
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The Tories love banding about big numbers that they think make them look good.
Now they've got a new one. 104,000 deaths. Go Boris Go.
85
26/01/2021 11:00:30 2 8
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Any blame Boris and his Government? If people have weight vid what have they not done which they should have done to avoid it?
460
26/01/2021 11:43:34 0 0
bbc
What a plonker!
31
26/01/2021 10:53:01 9 3
bbc
I certainly haven't!
86
26/01/2021 11:00:56 3 6
bbc
But the reply from squeezy rather proves your point...
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26/01/2021 10:57:28 6 6
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Different population sizes and densities, different Covid "death" reporting schemes, different testing regimes etc.

What meaning let alone usefulness (filling part of a BBC web page doesn't count) could any comparison, sorry, analysis possibly have?

Who are: Robert Cuffe, Becky Dale and Nassos Stylianou and do we need to know?
87
26/01/2021 11:01:06 7 3
bbc
Still trying to excuse Boris's incompetence.

The actions of this incompetent government are indefensible.
46
26/01/2021 10:54:27 31 8
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should have locked down earlier, closed airports/ports and any people still coming in, use the local hotels for isolation instead of letting people "promising" to isolate at home
As for their fudging the figures with the 28 days period, if you are in hospital for 5 weeks you do not count as a death, or cancer deaths due to lack of treatment due to covid restrictions don't count either - bonkers
88
26/01/2021 11:01:10 10 19
bbc
How about holding God accountable since He is supposed to control everything.
484
26/01/2021 11:45:15 1 0
bbc
You still think Boris is God?
26/01/2021 16:00:50 0 0
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He? You're sure of that are you? Evidence please
26/01/2021 17:49:54 0 0
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I have heard that 'God moves in a mysterious way, His wonders to perform'. I forget who wrote that but maybe you should ask him?
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ABM
26/01/2021 10:51:35 4 18
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The death figures are false. I work in a hospital and some deaths from 'covid 19' were actually down to heart attacks and other causes of deaths. It is a terrible situation we are in but made to sound even worse by scaremongering from the governments and authorities.
89
26/01/2021 11:01:19 3 1
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So I guess the primary cause of death is "Heart attack" and not "Covid-19" ?

TBH I don't think the gvt want it to sound worse as it makes them look even more incompetent than they actually are
44
26/01/2021 10:54:23 111 15
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I know you probably sick of hearing people saying well done. But I would like say thank you and many millions of others in NHS for your sacrifice! I wasn't one of these clapping NHS rubbish as I think it's patronising. Hope you all get the payrise you all deserve after this.
90
26/01/2021 11:01:19 36 56
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There'll be no pay rises just like in the private sector where millions now have no job as a result of endless lockdown
609
26/01/2021 12:01:11 2 1
bbc
Better than millions dead
91
26/01/2021 11:02:01 3 8
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Gloating Guardian and BBC
37
26/01/2021 10:53:17 183 55
bbc
Distasteful to see our health minister bounce up to the podium and boast about our handling of this pandemic against a backdrop of figures like these. I fear we're in it for the long haul when some tory mps still seem to talk as if this is simply seasonal flu.
92
26/01/2021 11:02:13 97 180
bbc
Distasteful you people like you to take that sort of attitude.We all know he s doing his best.
201
26/01/2021 11:15:07 33 4
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There lies the problem, their best is simply not good enough!
221
26/01/2021 11:16:52 36 3
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"his best" simply isn't even close to being good enough. The handling of this whole situation by him and the Tory cabal has been nothing short of scandalous.
340
26/01/2021 11:29:55 23 2
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Well it simply isn't good enough so he must be replaced now. Not when the death toll reaches 200K.
397
26/01/2021 11:36:32 28 3
bbc
Distasteful that close minded sociopaths like you still defend the indefensible.
555
26/01/2021 11:55:17 23 1
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It is obvious that he is doing his best at what tories are really good at. Enriching himself and the tory donors making a fortune from this chaos. Their greed has already destroyed whats left of western civilisation
721
26/01/2021 12:14:56 22 1
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‘His best’? That would be humorous if ‘his best’ (which is wholly inadequate) hadn’t facilitated the deaths of thousands of people...
751
26/01/2021 12:17:39 12 1
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twinblob so right mate, Doing is best. Johnson has been doing his best since the start, wasted45 days, wasted 35 das, promised 80% contacts traced and 955 test results in 24 hours, all working by 30th May 2020 and still not getting there - Johnson is doing his best. They can't do any better. This is the best that they can do
789
26/01/2021 12:21:33 17 1
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Johnson's best is not good enough. At the very least he should follow the advice of those who are better at this than him - the scientists.
942
26/01/2021 12:38:09 14 1
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Another brainwashed person,so sad,your believe anything your told.
26/01/2021 12:46:11 7 1
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He is a fool. His best can never be good enough (look at his performances on TV, or just look at his face, It is the face of a fool). Tories got rid of their competent people in the Cummings Brexit purge. Everyone knows its a talentless cabinet based upon ideological loyalty rather than ability.
26/01/2021 14:20:55 1 1
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His best isn't good enough. If they can't do better - then they need to go.
26/01/2021 14:28:07 2 1
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Aww. Is he doing his 'best'?
He's climbed over plenty of faces to get the job, and his party is responsible for utter carnage and enriching their chums at taxpayers expense. But you think we should cut him some slack?
You deserve this clown government!
Brexi-tory "best' is fifth rate even by amateur standards. And that is on a good day.
BOF
26/01/2021 14:32:55 1 0
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Possibly but should his school report be “couldn’t do better if he tried.”
Rob
26/01/2021 16:09:24 1 0
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I'd hate to see his worst!!
26/01/2021 16:26:53 0 0
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Haha - doing his best.......not up to the job then. Get rid!
26/01/2021 16:27:27 0 0
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Deluded troll. Thousands of people could better his performance without even trying that hard.
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26/01/2021 11:02:28 6 5
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A lot of these deaths could have been avoided if the Government had put the health of its people above the short-term interests of big business at the start of the pandemic. And, being an island nation, it could have been done, as other island nations have demonstrated. Too late now, the damage has been done to the people, health service and the national economy.
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26/01/2021 11:07:54 4 2
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And a lot of these deaths are because the British people are basically stupid and won't do as they are told. House parties, raves, driving across the country for a walk and all the other pathetic things people do with their "I'm alright Jack" attitude. The constant moaning to end lockdowns so can get drunk. Is this really what so many are literally working themselves to death for. Makes me sick.
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26/01/2021 10:45:35 180 48
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Nz and Aus living normally.
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Bob
26/01/2021 11:02:33 74 170
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Yet in NZ unemployment is rising faster and is now at a higher level than here and work hours are falling too, meaning less pay in people's pockets.

So swings and roundabouts. They paid in jobs, we've paid in OAPs.
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26/01/2021 11:08:50 40 9
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Hang on. Unemployment is riding here and our economy has been hit the hardest.... On top of over 100,000 deaths. Stop trying to excuse your vote and wake up.
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26/01/2021 11:09:48 36 2
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The economic damage to the UK is far greater than it has been to New Zealand!

They have occasional local lockdowns whenever there's a hand full of cases. We've been in lockdown for half of the last 12 months.

It's not a choice between losing people vs losing jobs. The more the virus spreads out of control, the more who die, the longer the lockdowns last for and the more economic damage you have!
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26/01/2021 11:11:58 24 2
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Bob, think again. We are shortly to pay in jobs big-time, and the ones paying with the loss of their jobs will be the young, who, able only to see one step ahead, thought to themselves "I'm not at risk (of the illness) - therefore I'll do what I like".

What does that do to your calculus? Singapore (also a densely populated island) has 25 deaths per million population. We have approaching 1500.
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GW
26/01/2021 11:16:31 21 2
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Least they can go out and you know our unemployment is about to rocket once furlough ends so dont sneer at New Zealand they will recover faster than us
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26/01/2021 11:28:01 10 3
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Fake news.
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26/01/2021 11:29:58 17 1
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Spoken like a true Tory.??
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26/01/2021 11:51:54 5 1
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We have the worst death rate on the planet and have taken the biggest economic hit. I call that a lose lose situation.
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26/01/2021 11:59:43 7 0
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It's about 6% in NZ. It's 5% in the UK; that's before Sunak's relief schemes end.

You're really grasping at straws.