Covid: Why won't vaccinating the vulnerable end lockdown?
22/01/2021 | news | health | 1,364
Doubts have been raised about lifting Covid restrictions in the spring. What are the hurdles in the way?
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ME
22/01/2021 10:43:57 211 36
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The majority of the country are expecting to go back to a tier system by mid February - if the majority of the at risk are vaccinated and social distancing and masking is retained what is the need for dragging this lockdown out. This will merely exacerbate the financial and mental health issues are facing. Being safe is nice, being safe, destitute and homeless is not!
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22/01/2021 10:59:04 67 34
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Apparently we’re just prolonging the inevitable. We’re all on the way out, let’s get on with it.
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22/01/2021 10:58:07 20 14
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It's not about being safe, it is about protecting the NHS which will still be close to breaking point even when the majority of at risk people have their first vaccination (which only gives them partial protection). This has a knock-on effect of restricting the capacity of the NHS to support other people with serious non-covid illness. The government is separately accountable for financial aid
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22/01/2021 11:19:09 14 9
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That seems like an unreasonable expectation. By mid feb we will only have vaccinated the most vulnerable, not the groups most likely to be in ICU.

Unless the justification for return to tiers is that the lockdown will have reduced cases to a more manageable level. In which case the tiers will have to have restrictions to keep the R number at 1, not growing as it was between november and january.
81
22/01/2021 11:37:19 7 3
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perhaps if you read the article you might understand!
226
22/01/2021 12:34:46 21 5
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Correct, this infection is something we'll have to live with. Without a functioning economy where does the tax come from to provide the resources the NHS and all public services require?
349
22/01/2021 13:28:16 12 3
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And of course those are the big IFs aren't they? Give the British public an inch and they take a mile as they have proved time and time again. Blame those people if the lockdown continues not the government. If they'd done as asked from the beginning we might not be in this position now
829
22/01/2021 21:40:15 5 0
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Being dead is not nice
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22/01/2021 10:44:12 16 11
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In the end, it is going to come down to what society is willing to tolerate.
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'Society' being those who believe that they're least likely to die, or even be seriously ill.
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22/01/2021 10:49:20 19 21
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Whereas your version of “society” doesn’t care about children, jobs or livelihoods. Why do you hate children or want to destroy their futures for the sake of keeping the old and scared happy?
707
22/01/2021 19:07:07 1 0
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Bang on steve-t,the ‘im alright jack’its all about me society.the mob will decide what is tolerated.we’ve come a long way.these same people would be squealing like pigs if they were 80 years old in the midst of this hell.
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22/01/2021 10:44:54 6 10
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Were the BBC expecting people to comment on this article of non-news?
686
22/01/2021 18:56:10 0 0
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Well you obviously have! Doh
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22/01/2021 10:44:12 16 11
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In the end, it is going to come down to what society is willing to tolerate.
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'Society' being those who believe that they're least likely to die, or even be seriously ill.
4
22/01/2021 10:49:20 19 21
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Whereas your version of “society” doesn’t care about children, jobs or livelihoods. Why do you hate children or want to destroy their futures for the sake of keeping the old and scared happy?
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Ads
22/01/2021 10:56:00 11 6
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Because his not a psychopath who could happily see hundreds of thousands dead
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22/01/2021 10:58:45 6 3
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Wow! So you know everything about me from one post. Trump would be proud of that little speech.
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22/01/2021 10:59:15 10 1
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Not happy--'alive' and remember to that 2 of the 9 priority groups are for over 50's--not 'old' people but experienced working people in the millions who help keep the country running. I take your point, though--once we get below a certain level of death/infection we must re-open. However, we also must not be foolish and believe we can act exactly as we did before for some time to come.
154
22/01/2021 12:02:11 2 5
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You may want to live in lockdown for ever,but most people realise this situation is unsustainable and economy must get moving.lIFE is a risk and you could step outside your house and fall and die.The media is responsible for spreading doom and gloom and figures that dont add up.
721
22/01/2021 19:12:14 0 0
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Shouldn’t that read—keeping the old and scared ALIVE.stuff your eugenics.
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22/01/2021 10:53:49 27 19
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Vaccinating the very vulnerable won't end lockdown because it will have virtually no impact on Intensive Care.
Intensive care is at capacity but there are hardly any older (+70) patients - they wouldn't survive.
Only by vaccinating the 50+s or 40+s will relieve pressure on intensive care.
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22/01/2021 11:00:32 14 10
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The vaccination programme is way too slow currently, we need to be achieving 7.5m / month (only 6k x 1250 mega centres / combined areas per week). But prior to that folks should be working 24/7 to resolve supply and infra issues of the Oxford vaccine.
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22/01/2021 11:15:25 3 0
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Yes hence talk of releasing restrictions when all the current top priority groups are covered (50+)
160
22/01/2021 12:04:20 3 3
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No, intensive care is at capacity in 1 in 10 trusts as reported 2 days ago. Or to put it a different way, 9 in 10 trusts are managing. See what they did there?
445
22/01/2021 14:28:51 3 0
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Andy H - it is the old who are in ICU, this isn't a serious disease for under 60s, get a grip of yourself
670
22/01/2021 18:14:13 1 0
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Just to add to your comments there is the fact that the average age of people in hospital with Covid 19 is 60 and that group of people are months away from vaccination.Also if the restrictions are lifted completely there could be 100,000+ cases per day.A smaller percentage will require hospitalisation because they are younger (the older having been vaccinated) but will still be a large number.
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22/01/2021 10:54:05 8 9
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Why is it that the vaccines have 90% chance of working. But no firm evidence of if someone that has been vaccinated will pass on the virus or not. Considering trialing the vaccine is risky. Wouldn't putting a person who is young fit and healthy in the same room as someone who has been given the vaccine and then covid-19. Then see what happens next.
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22/01/2021 10:57:57 2 7
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Yes, you'd think they'd understand this a bit more by now!
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22/01/2021 10:59:12 0 1
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Ha ha that could work, also Novavax was tested anyhow for sterilising so once that one is approved.....
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22/01/2021 11:11:41 2 2
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Because normally we test for such things by (TLDR) killing hundreds of thousands of animals in controlled laboratory conditions - only we don't have a useful animal equivalent for this question. So to answer it, we'd need to do the same thing with humans.

Medical Ethics says "No"
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Ray
22/01/2021 11:12:00 0 0
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Big reasons for why the vaccine is 'only' 90 % effective. It is 100% effective in stopping deaths though. So if the 10% catch Covid while vaccinated the outcome is much more favourable. Those tests you propose are great but the real world is quicker and that scenario is certainly going to occur its just a matter of observing it and seeing what happens.
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22/01/2021 11:14:26 5 1
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so you want to deliberately try to infect two people? And even then you only have one data point, hardly a conclusive trial
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22/01/2021 11:54:42 0 0
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If you think this is the right thing to do then offer to volunteer for a Challenge trial, as I have done.
https://ukcovidchallenge.com/covid-19-volunteer-trials/
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22/01/2021 11:59:46 0 1
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The BBC needs to be clear with the public that only people who have been given two doses are actually vaccinated, to stop conflating those who have actually been vaccinated, and those who are only half way through the process, and require the government do the same when answering questions.
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22/01/2021 10:55:41 5 11
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They'll let us play out for a couple of months in summer, then it's back in our cells until May 2022.
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22/01/2021 11:15:08 5 3
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I'd hope not, but there are some government advisers who really seem to love lockdowns. There's certainly a danger that we end up restricting activity every winter, when respiratory diseases and pressure on the NHS are at their highest (as they are every year).
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22/01/2021 10:49:20 19 21
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Whereas your version of “society” doesn’t care about children, jobs or livelihoods. Why do you hate children or want to destroy their futures for the sake of keeping the old and scared happy?
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Ads
22/01/2021 10:56:00 11 6
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Because his not a psychopath who could happily see hundreds of thousands dead
The government imposed these illegal and immoral restrictions as an attempt to copy China and Italy. Vaccines, low number of deaths etc will not stop the ruling class enjoying the sort of power that the MSM and the public has handed it. These horrendous lockdowns will only end when the public wake up and grow up regarding viruses and our own mortality... and remember the reasons for being alive! Removed
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22/01/2021 11:07:24 1 0
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Spot on.
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22/01/2021 10:56:36 96 21
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I suspect transmission becomes much less of an issue once the vaccine has done its job of reducing the risk of death in the top 4 at risk categories. An 80 year old passing this on to a generally healthy 30 year old is not going to be grounds for putting the world on hold when the outcome of that for 8 out of 10 will be the equivalent of a heavy cold.
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22/01/2021 11:02:21 43 25
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The critical question is whether those who do get seriously infected will log jam the NHS. Everything else, including your '8 in 10' figure is an irrelevant smoke screen in comparison to that criteria.
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22/01/2021 11:23:42 15 6
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But the ICUs are full of people in their 50s and 60s, increasing the number of these people catching the virus would be catastrophic
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22/01/2021 12:38:36 15 1
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Problem is we have supposedly healthy people in their 40s hospitalised that can barely stretch the elastic of the breathing apparatus around their cheeks. If someone can barely walk to the fridge from the sofa without being out of breath then I’d say we have a larger vulnerability group than has been predicted.
536
22/01/2021 15:46:48 0 1
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Common sense , well said
23/01/2021 09:31:37 0 0
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No the outcome will be 9 out of 10 won’t even know they have had it. That is why this “ killer virus” spreads
23/01/2021 18:54:17 0 0
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Apparently still over 20 down thumb nutters around
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22/01/2021 10:56:54 12 24
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All the sacrifices by the young, yet they are still criticised for a minority of failings. Meanwhile the old and vulberable are in the supermarkets and booking holidays. Take responsibility for your own health!

Haven't heard a single story of the old giving to the young to repair some of the damage that has been inflicted. Time to get your cheque books out and make some donations!
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Ads
22/01/2021 11:21:17 6 2
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How selfish of people buying food in a supermarket whilst wearing a mask; its totally the same as hosting an illegal rave
964
23/01/2021 01:26:18 0 0
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Absolutely. Large sections of the younger end have done university online, missed out on weddings, worked from home (sometimes cramped bed-sits), foregone degree ceremonies and celebrating "significant" birthdays...the list could go on. I hope it wasn't just so the vaccinated over 50s could go off on SAGA cruises and say, I'm alright, Jack, never mind you!
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22/01/2021 10:57:28 3 4
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Novavax sterilises and has been tested that way. We need to get that vaccine approved asap meanwhile verifiying the results on sterilisation of the current vaccines.

We also need to exponentially ramp up the current programme. Why are we not working 24/7 to triage this and lift vaccination numbers to 7.5m per week (that's ONLY 6k x 1250 mega centres / combined areas!
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Ray
22/01/2021 11:06:18 5 1
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24/7 with the same resources halves the immediate capacity all you end up with is the same result spread over 24 hours instead of 12. They need more people to do this and the vaccine supply too. At the moment the priority is to spread the vaccine centres out so everyone is close to them, and once staff are trained and available begin 24/7 operations
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22/01/2021 11:12:24 2 1
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do we have 7.5m vaccine doses per week to administer?
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22/01/2021 10:54:05 8 9
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Why is it that the vaccines have 90% chance of working. But no firm evidence of if someone that has been vaccinated will pass on the virus or not. Considering trialing the vaccine is risky. Wouldn't putting a person who is young fit and healthy in the same room as someone who has been given the vaccine and then covid-19. Then see what happens next.
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22/01/2021 10:57:57 2 7
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Yes, you'd think they'd understand this a bit more by now!
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22/01/2021 10:49:20 19 21
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Whereas your version of “society” doesn’t care about children, jobs or livelihoods. Why do you hate children or want to destroy their futures for the sake of keeping the old and scared happy?
14
22/01/2021 10:58:45 6 3
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Wow! So you know everything about me from one post. Trump would be proud of that little speech.
1
ME
22/01/2021 10:43:57 211 36
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The majority of the country are expecting to go back to a tier system by mid February - if the majority of the at risk are vaccinated and social distancing and masking is retained what is the need for dragging this lockdown out. This will merely exacerbate the financial and mental health issues are facing. Being safe is nice, being safe, destitute and homeless is not!
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22/01/2021 10:59:04 67 34
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Apparently we’re just prolonging the inevitable. We’re all on the way out, let’s get on with it.
333
22/01/2021 13:19:56 14 5
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My view is that how hard is that anyone should die from this terrible virus, we also lose many people from other disease etc but we don't drag the countries economy and all affects from that into the ditch, which we are doing just now as a result of these drachonian measures. We must get to a point that we protect the most vulnerable and get this country back to normal as quick as possible.
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22/01/2021 10:54:05 8 9
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Why is it that the vaccines have 90% chance of working. But no firm evidence of if someone that has been vaccinated will pass on the virus or not. Considering trialing the vaccine is risky. Wouldn't putting a person who is young fit and healthy in the same room as someone who has been given the vaccine and then covid-19. Then see what happens next.
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22/01/2021 10:59:12 0 1
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Ha ha that could work, also Novavax was tested anyhow for sterilising so once that one is approved.....
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22/01/2021 10:49:20 19 21
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Whereas your version of “society” doesn’t care about children, jobs or livelihoods. Why do you hate children or want to destroy their futures for the sake of keeping the old and scared happy?
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22/01/2021 10:59:15 10 1
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Not happy--'alive' and remember to that 2 of the 9 priority groups are for over 50's--not 'old' people but experienced working people in the millions who help keep the country running. I take your point, though--once we get below a certain level of death/infection we must re-open. However, we also must not be foolish and believe we can act exactly as we did before for some time to come.
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22/01/2021 11:00:21 317 38
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Restrictions may be lifted in SUMMER??

Since March I've been locked down alone in tiny room in London. No gym. No pub. No holiday. No shops. Can't meet friends. Couldn't go back North for Xmas to see family (last second govt policy change). Been working 7 days a week on calls and emails. This is no quality of life. And now we're told "SUMMER".

At what point does "life" turn into "existence"?
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22/01/2021 11:21:50 113 11
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I'm the same. Just my daily exercise keeps me sane.
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22/01/2021 11:42:43 29 51
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Sorry to say, if you catch long covid - your whole life becomes existence with no end date.

You have a roof over you head, you have the Internet to socialise. Try to reframe it will help!
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22/01/2021 11:55:48 12 5
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Perhaps another longterm covid 'plus'
Wfh, online
Possibilities of online education in future (Caters for adult, further, prison, excluded). Singapore rolling out 2 days/month home schooling.
Push for homes to be larger.. Think UK has smallest homes in EU.
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22/01/2021 11:56:40 31 21
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well said. This situation is unsustainable and I can forsee riots if rules are not lifted to some extent very soon. Gov has no plan and lurches from one shambolic decision to the next.
139
22/01/2021 11:46:16 9 35
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Poor little you, the rest of us are just having a massive party using all the furlough cash.
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22/01/2021 12:04:47 13 3
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Truly horrendous - totally feel for you. Please stay strong...
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DDP
22/01/2021 12:08:24 21 17
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Stop looking at the things you can't do and start looking for the things you CAN do.
Get outside for walks on lunch, pick up a new indoor hobby or exercise routine, learn new things like a language, skill or instrument. You can still meet up with one person outside for short periods so start organising things with friends to go for walks on lunch, or in the evenings etc.

Make something of it.
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22/01/2021 12:25:17 2 4
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It's already existence.
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22/01/2021 13:06:28 1 20
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stop following the rules, that the way to end this madness
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Bob
22/01/2021 13:08:50 12 7
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If you live alone when you can form a bubble. This means you could have visited your family, or friends - whoever you choose to be your support bubble.

Likewise to say no gym, pub, holiday etc since March is also fake news. Only for a portion of the time have those been off limits.

And even now anyone can meet a friend, outside, for exercise.
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22/01/2021 13:10:29 9 4
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We're (most of us) in the same boat. Doesn't it help to know that at least?
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22/01/2021 13:23:21 7 23
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Suggest you ask the virus. No person in the Western world is doing this to you it is a vile bacteria which escaped from a Chinese laboratory and was allowed to spread round the world by the Chinese. If you don't like your life go and mix with the anti-maskers; you may see your existence differently from a bed in ICU
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Lee
22/01/2021 13:40:33 0 0
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It already has
397
22/01/2021 13:57:05 4 8
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And for something that isn't deadly at all.
Likely some 12+ million have already had Covid in this country, government actions and statistics say it's not deadly at all, they just want us to be working drones with literally no life.
What about life lost if you add up 65 million people having no life for a year?
That's 65 million years of life lost, or about 800k people at our avg. death age of 82.
475
22/01/2021 14:50:24 7 1
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Totally agree what most people are doing now is simply existing NOT living. I’m on anti depressants for the 1st time in my 63 years because I have no ‘life’ anymore I’m simply existing from day to day.
508
22/01/2021 15:17:58 4 6
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'(last second govt policy change)' Yes damned virus, not keeping to the plan.......
522
22/01/2021 15:38:50 8 4
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My dad was brought up in France during the war and "existence" was all that mattered. Staying careful and alive!
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22/01/2021 17:06:21 3 3
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Restrictions only last as long as we allow them to.
780
22/01/2021 20:42:06 2 2
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Same here. I can’t take much more before I crack.
821
22/01/2021 21:24:17 3 0
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You are allowed out to go to the shop's and go for walks.
I live alone on a narrow boat, but I have to go to the shop else I'd starve.
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22/01/2021 21:56:59 2 6
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I really feel for you and everyone else shut in on their own - and 100% agree we have to end lockdown at the earliest opportunity. I’m totally fed up of being told I’m selfish for being anti-lockdown- it’s destroying lives and livelihoods and it needs to end. And never be done again.
845
22/01/2021 22:05:17 1 2
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It feels more like control than living - not sure if we can carry the no like this
854
22/01/2021 22:26:38 4 2
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You HAVE NOT "been on lockdown since March"

I live under the same laws as you and since March I have been under lockdown for 3 discrete periods.

Outside of those periods I have been on 4 holidays (2 weeks in Greece, 2 long weekends in Netherlands and a week in UK). I have had meals out, drinks with friends and dinner parties. And I have not broken any rules and not contracted covid.
946
23/01/2021 01:09:36 3 2
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Well existence is usually better than death
23/01/2021 05:13:06 4 1
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No gym?
No pub?
Ni holiday?
Oh diddums!!
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22/01/2021 10:53:49 27 19
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Vaccinating the very vulnerable won't end lockdown because it will have virtually no impact on Intensive Care.
Intensive care is at capacity but there are hardly any older (+70) patients - they wouldn't survive.
Only by vaccinating the 50+s or 40+s will relieve pressure on intensive care.
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22/01/2021 11:00:32 14 10
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The vaccination programme is way too slow currently, we need to be achieving 7.5m / month (only 6k x 1250 mega centres / combined areas per week). But prior to that folks should be working 24/7 to resolve supply and infra issues of the Oxford vaccine.
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22/01/2021 11:15:49 4 1
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approx 300m per day average, thats 9m per month
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22/01/2021 10:54:34 10 7
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How more negative can this article be?
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22/01/2021 10:56:36 96 21
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I suspect transmission becomes much less of an issue once the vaccine has done its job of reducing the risk of death in the top 4 at risk categories. An 80 year old passing this on to a generally healthy 30 year old is not going to be grounds for putting the world on hold when the outcome of that for 8 out of 10 will be the equivalent of a heavy cold.
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22/01/2021 11:02:21 43 25
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The critical question is whether those who do get seriously infected will log jam the NHS. Everything else, including your '8 in 10' figure is an irrelevant smoke screen in comparison to that criteria.
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JD
22/01/2021 12:22:47 9 6
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So we all live in perpetual isolation to 'save the NHS?'
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22/01/2021 13:21:18 3 2
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Once the majority of the vulnerable groups are vaccinated there should be relatively few people who would become "seriously infected". That is the entire purpose of the vaccine, to reduce hospitalisations and thus deaths, not to eradicate the virus. So the critical answer, is no, they won't log jam the NHS. Unless of course all the vaccines don't actually work.
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22/01/2021 13:48:17 2 0
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The issue would more be that if they then went on an infected all ages in hospital post op it would be catastrophic so it has to be managed in all age groups.
757
22/01/2021 20:01:46 5 0
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2 out of 10 in a million people translates to 200,000. With a 63 million population it's pretty obvious hospitals won't be functional.
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22/01/2021 11:05:09 25 21
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Open field hospitals to take pressure off NHS.
Death rates now are lower than 10 years ago, so Lockdown is not justified on a deaths basis.
Covid is here and we have to accept it, and accept death rates will return to pre 2010 levels.
Lockdown is far more dangerous than Covid. We are destroying economy, livelihoods and future of the UK which will be devastating and kill millions in the long run.
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22/01/2021 11:20:19 12 0
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But where would death rates by without lockdowns?
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22/01/2021 11:41:16 3 1
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I thought the excess deaths was higher than any year bar 1917?
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22/01/2021 11:55:28 2 4
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Excellent and I agree.Lockdowns do not work and the economy is in a coma which will ultimately effect funding of NHS that the Gov keeps droning on about.I get very annoyed that people are being plunged into poverty due to the Gov's mismanagement of NHS .Its not the public's fault and we must be allowed to live our lives without interference.Life is a risk and this cant go on.
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22/01/2021 11:59:28 5 0
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It's not just deaths. It's the number of inpatients that will break the NHS. Throughput of covid patients is slow because of frequent long recovery period.
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ME
22/01/2021 10:43:57 211 36
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The majority of the country are expecting to go back to a tier system by mid February - if the majority of the at risk are vaccinated and social distancing and masking is retained what is the need for dragging this lockdown out. This will merely exacerbate the financial and mental health issues are facing. Being safe is nice, being safe, destitute and homeless is not!
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22/01/2021 10:58:07 20 14
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It's not about being safe, it is about protecting the NHS which will still be close to breaking point even when the majority of at risk people have their first vaccination (which only gives them partial protection). This has a knock-on effect of restricting the capacity of the NHS to support other people with serious non-covid illness. The government is separately accountable for financial aid
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22/01/2021 12:03:46 17 24
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We cant sacrifice 66 million people's lives for NHS which has been mismanaged and overwhelmed for years.Gov are to blame not the public.Why should people be plunged into poverty for a situation which happens every year.
841
22/01/2021 21:59:15 2 6
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What are we protecting the NHS from...doing their job? They are a public service that we all pay in to....now suddenly the system cannot cope. Shows its not fit for purpose
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22/01/2021 11:05:59 250 27
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What’s concerning us not just the lack of an exit strategy, but the lack of desire to even talk about an exit strategy.

Mental health is the next pandemic and it’s about to hit.
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22/01/2021 11:30:34 94 13
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Look out of the metaphorical window and you will see that the mental health pandemic is already here... I wonder how they will deal with that one?
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22/01/2021 11:48:46 17 1
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I couldn’t agree more .....I’ve never seen my partner so low (even after his father died).
Sending virtual hugs to all those in need.....
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22/01/2021 11:53:12 19 8
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A tsunami of mental health problems is coming which will overwhelm the NHS worse than Virus.The cure is worse than disease and people should realise we are all being fed false info regarding figures.People dying with covid is not of covid.This has got to end or I fear civil unrest as people see their life's work being destroyed for no good reason.
343
22/01/2021 13:25:21 6 19
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I never heard of a virus that could cause 'mental health', a phrase that is constantly mis-used by the ignorant
442
22/01/2021 14:27:43 14 1
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Except that it isn't actually a mental health problem, as that terminology sites the problem in the sufferer rather than in the abuse that is causing it. You can't treat people as prisoners and steal everything that makes life worth living and expect them to be OK with an unnatural existence - and it can't be fixed by changing attitudes and perceptions.
515
22/01/2021 15:27:50 3 0
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I don't want to sound awful but the politicians are more bothered about the health of the economy than your or my mental health. The economy has to be considered because millions of people will soon be losing their jobs / income in the coming 6 months
577
22/01/2021 16:29:56 1 0
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It's already hit. But it's ignored by the powers to be.
671
22/01/2021 18:19:42 0 0
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Totally agree with you.
898
22/01/2021 23:45:12 2 1
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The mental health crisis was here before Covid. But it's going to grow from a flood to a tsunami.
23/01/2021 21:33:52 0 1
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All this "i am suffering from PTSD " detracts from the real cases of PTSD eg world war 1 in the trenches. stop it !
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22/01/2021 11:06:11 88 38
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We need to open the country fully by late spring, regardless of what happens in the next few months. Immune systems are stronger in summer, people are outside more and there is less pressure on the NHS. Allow the population to be exposed to the virus at the time of lowest risk.
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22/01/2021 11:22:51 61 45
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Which is why we should have allowed the spread in thee summer of 2020... We would have a working population with natural immunity if we just lockdown the vulnerable groups instead of all our kids!
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22/01/2021 11:51:06 9 14
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We need to open by mid Feb whilst we still have some sort of economy.We cant wait for 66 million to be vaccinated.People will die of cancer etc and Covid is not the only illness.The media are obsessed by figures which make no sense.I dont believe them as they suit the Gov to keep people in fear.Wake up and realise the Gov like the power over people's lives.
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22/01/2021 12:16:09 1 2
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Vit D from sunlight needs k2 to be made ...everyone should be taking daily or testing for it ...northern hemisphere is chronically epidemically deficient and BAME people have less living here in winter. K2is in fermented food sauerkraut kefir etc and few people bother with it now..we need pre and probiotics if not...why not take on sharing this advice...oh yes and Vit C up to 5000 g spread out
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22/01/2021 14:01:29 6 3
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The problem is the African virus is not killed off by the heat and is showing to be more deadly also does the Oxford vaccine work they are not sure. Think this nightmare will be with us for another 12 months or more before they can control it.
23/01/2021 18:59:59 0 0
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Why are immune systems stronger in Summer.. Answer vitamin D levels in people are usually higher so why on earth is the message not being shouted from the rooftops to at least supplement with 4000IU Vit D ! For gods sake we all live in a dark dismal country where sunlight is the exception. There is a pandemic of Vit D deficiency that's making this worse.
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22/01/2021 10:57:28 3 4
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Novavax sterilises and has been tested that way. We need to get that vaccine approved asap meanwhile verifiying the results on sterilisation of the current vaccines.

We also need to exponentially ramp up the current programme. Why are we not working 24/7 to triage this and lift vaccination numbers to 7.5m per week (that's ONLY 6k x 1250 mega centres / combined areas!
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Ray
22/01/2021 11:06:18 5 1
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24/7 with the same resources halves the immediate capacity all you end up with is the same result spread over 24 hours instead of 12. They need more people to do this and the vaccine supply too. At the moment the priority is to spread the vaccine centres out so everyone is close to them, and once staff are trained and available begin 24/7 operations
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Sam
22/01/2021 11:06:40 168 29
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Why can't the BBC be at least objective instead of eternally negative.

Vaccination is going very well (not patchy like Doomsberg says).

Vaccine protects with high efficacy from getting any Covid disease but crucially protects with extremely high efficacy from getting serious Covid disease.

Therefore those vaccinated will rapidly fall of the hospitalisation radar.
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22/01/2021 11:53:46 164 34
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The elephant in the room is the BBC & other media. The scientists say we'll live with a level or risk but will the media? I imagine that the BBC will roll-out a series of bereaved families to emotionally blackmail any politician who supports relaxation. If you were a politician what would you do?
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22/01/2021 11:54:47 15 3
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Vaccination is the way is the way out but be patient as it is not immediate immunity.
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ben
22/01/2021 11:55:14 9 8
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People have shown that they aren't responsible enough to be told the truth or even cautious optimism. Your moral compass is only leveraged against your perception of the risks. If we start to suggest their is a reduced risk to lifting restrictions people will think "ok, the risk is lower we can do what we want" and we'll see the consequences in the statistics.. It's anchoring bias 101
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22/01/2021 12:24:02 8 14
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They won't "rapidly fall off the radar" but it will take months and the efficacy isn't good enough without a prompt second vaccine.
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22/01/2021 12:40:57 15 12
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Totally agree. The BBC are to blame for a lot of negative coverage.They do not seem to realise that this could just push a lot of people over the edge. We need to get back to normal as soon as possible. NO social distancing and no compulsory use of masks once the vaccine has kicked in.
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22/01/2021 15:47:44 3 3
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It’s all a win win for the bbc, like pushing the those returned nag from abroad to have to isolate then run endless clips of those caught out by it.

COVID really is the give that keeps on giving for both the media and the rabid left .
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22/01/2021 20:14:34 1 0
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Media can be relied on to spin a negative out of anything positive. I feel sorry for the newsreaders having to churn out the same doom mongering stories day after day. i have given up watching the news now.
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22/01/2021 21:45:06 1 1
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Why. Because it is a not so covert propaganda on the part of BBC. They don't want people to relax. All the Morg and hospital videos, the constant out of context death and case numbers... Constant brainwashing of an entire country.
23/01/2021 09:40:22 1 0
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Absolutely agree. There is some brilliant work being done. We are now one of the world leaders in vaccine role out...
Heard immunity is also growing.
We are learning to get on with life under restriction which in itself is limiting infection.
Put all this together and show some WWII spirit. What’s the prediction then..! ??
23/01/2021 11:02:33 1 0
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And the vaccine only protects the patient for up to a year... will the same ones still work next year? Who knows
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22/01/2021 11:06:48 414 37
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Is it just me, or are the goal posts for the lifting of restrictions constantly being pushed back? Mid February, middle of March, now Spring/Summer (we know that means Summer).

I know a lot of people in my position (living alone) are literally on tick over now, purely existing, not living a life.
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22/01/2021 11:11:19 334 31
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My sentiments exactly. I live alone in a tiny one-room flat in the city centre. It's all well and good for politicians & Sage experts & journalists and celebrities to lecture us from the comfort of their big homes and big gardens with their families (when they're not flying to Dubai or the Caribbean). But for those of us living alone, or trying to balance teachig kids and working.... this is hell
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22/01/2021 11:20:09 40 20
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Unfortunately there are still too many unknowns lurking, some of which we probably haven't been told about. Boris has been lambasted throughout for being too optimistic, resulting in a string of false promises. To keep doing that is going to affect mental health as much, if not more than the lockdown itself.
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22/01/2021 11:43:28 38 2
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Sending a virtual hug.
It’s all so depressing....
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22/01/2021 12:15:31 59 33
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I'm elderly, live on my own, don't even have a support bubble and have left the house may be 6 times in the year but I don't complain instead I find things to occupy me. What affects me most is seeing others break the rules while I refuse to I can see how this could lead to suicides.

While some people ignore the rules the goalposts will always be moving because the future is unpredictable.
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LH
22/01/2021 12:28:50 14 98
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Thank your lucky stars you are living, then! Stop moaning!
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22/01/2021 12:29:01 42 39
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Exactly right mate. Witty and Vallance are sucking up their nice 100K plus jobs and feeding the public rubbish data. Who asks these people what assumptions have been made for the modelling results they spout? A court case in Lisbon found 4 German tourists were illegally quarantined based on a 'positive' PCR test. The ruling was a +PCR test cannot beyond reasonable doubt confirm covid-19 infection
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Bob
22/01/2021 13:06:05 4 0
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Whilst there will be some element of announcing an earlier date than realistically feasible to make it sound better, we do have to keep in mind that the dates have always been review points.

It was never said the middle of February is when things will end. It was said that the middle of February is when things will be reviewed and if things are good then yes, restrictions can begin to be lifted.
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22/01/2021 13:09:57 4 5
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Don't recall anyone saying the lockdown would be lifted in mid February. Perhaps you could give me information to justify your remark. Although frankly anybody who expected that it would be has to be seriously lacking in brain power
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22/01/2021 13:33:12 11 0
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My sentiments exactly. Even though I don't live alone, I feel we are just existing. The trouble is that the government gives so many false hopes which don't help. Then you have got Profs Doom and Gloom who don't help. It's a never ending circle of false dawns. My greatest fear is the economic implications and what happens if we are still in lockdown in the summer.
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Lee
22/01/2021 13:39:54 6 1
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Constantly. This will not end unless the population forces the politicians to end it. Kicking all of the incumbents out at the May elections will be a good start.
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22/01/2021 15:46:44 2 4
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It is just you, no date has ever been given. So never pushed back or brought forward.
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Joe
22/01/2021 16:06:51 1 2
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If you live alone, you can still get together with another household by claiming they're your support bubble.
The government imposed these illegal and immoral restrictions as an attempt to copy China and Italy. Vaccines, low number of deaths etc will not stop the ruling class enjoying the sort of power that the MSM and the public has handed it. These horrendous lockdowns will only end when the public wake up and grow up regarding viruses and our own mortality... and remember the reasons for being alive! Removed
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22/01/2021 11:07:24 1 0
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Spot on.
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22/01/2021 11:06:48 414 37
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Is it just me, or are the goal posts for the lifting of restrictions constantly being pushed back? Mid February, middle of March, now Spring/Summer (we know that means Summer).

I know a lot of people in my position (living alone) are literally on tick over now, purely existing, not living a life.
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22/01/2021 11:11:19 334 31
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My sentiments exactly. I live alone in a tiny one-room flat in the city centre. It's all well and good for politicians & Sage experts & journalists and celebrities to lecture us from the comfort of their big homes and big gardens with their families (when they're not flying to Dubai or the Caribbean). But for those of us living alone, or trying to balance teachig kids and working.... this is hell
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22/01/2021 11:48:57 49 2
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I'm so sorry you've been on your own all this time. You've done brilliantly to keep it together. I'm in a couple and I'm losing my sh*t so I admire your fortitude.
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LH
22/01/2021 12:29:37 16 55
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Better than being dead, I presume!
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AJ
22/01/2021 11:11:38 247 45
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Good God, is anyone else fed up of constant negative news coverage? I can’t watch it now. I only read online in the vain hope we may see some good news. Being locked in this perpetual purgatory is depressing enough.

If the 90% (those who are at highest risk of serious illness/death) are vaccinated by mid February then they need to start ‘unwrapping’ society then not summer!
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22/01/2021 11:48:13 140 66
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Absolutely,the media only report doom and gloom.People recover fromCovid,I know some and meanwhile people are dying from cancer etc.A sense of proportion and less hysteria.Lockdowns do not work or we would not be in the third one.Economy must come out of this coma or there will be no businesses left.Life is a risk and we should be allowed to live our lives without interference.
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22/01/2021 11:52:19 6 4
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If 'they' don't I suspect that the people will
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22/01/2021 11:59:48 18 6
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Absolutely. I think they are becoming responsible for a huge amount of damage to people's mental health.
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22/01/2021 12:24:37 11 5
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But they won't be. Vaccination requires two injections, and with a few exceptions, the second round won't begin until the end of February. So if it's two months to half do the vaccinations of half the vaulnerable... Do the math. Hopefully production can be speed up soon, but in the meantime this is a marathon,not a sprint.
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22/01/2021 12:27:18 17 9
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Not sure where you get "90%" from but they need to consider that "unwrapping" will increase the virus spread. Even if the hospital cases and deaths fall substantially having the virus spread amongst others this will constantly increase the chances of a very dangerous mutation arising.
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Sam
22/01/2021 12:27:59 13 9
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Unfortunately I think there is a need for it. A minority are just not treating this as serious and flouting restrictions. It's not the media talking about extending lockdown further, it's the gov and it's advisers. The BBC are just reporting and keeping us informed. The messaging re: opening is now tending to the -ve in case things don't pan out as hoped, which would be a bigger blow.
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22/01/2021 12:47:19 3 4
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justgivemepositivenews dot com
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22/01/2021 13:53:23 15 3
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The vast majority may well be vaccinated by then (1st Jab only). Problem is the jab doesn't give instant immunity (see the studies in Israel) it starts to pick up after two weeks and then increases slowly it might be a month or so after the 14th Feb when the impact starts to be seen. Reducing lock down too early will lead to further lock downs and therefore more time spent in lockdown
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22/01/2021 14:39:15 15 1
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Negative? - or likely, --here is a bit of positive news --all will be fine by March the first, no more lockdown, no more masks and you can fly wherever you like, it's not true but positive.
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22/01/2021 22:45:08 3 3
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Auntie has turned into the polar opposite of what she is funded to be. When we come out the other side she needs to be decommissioned
23/01/2021 09:42:31 0 0
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They have to all get their second jab before we unlock. We think we can save time by doing things in parallel. Cook the turkey on Christmas eve to save time but you still spend 6 hours in the kitchen, just on different days. Give all the second vaccine doses away, you still have to wait for the second batch either way. You just increase the risk second doses don’t arrive in time. We’ll get there.
23/01/2021 19:39:36 0 0
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Oh dear, you and it seems a lot of other people just don't get it. Restrictions will start to be lifted progressively when the NHS can cope and can deliver it's non Covid treatments at scale. By mid Feb, if all goes well, those most at risk will have had their first jab but it takes 3 weeks to work - and they need their second 12 weeks later and then another 3 weeks for that to be effective.
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22/01/2021 10:54:05 8 9
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Why is it that the vaccines have 90% chance of working. But no firm evidence of if someone that has been vaccinated will pass on the virus or not. Considering trialing the vaccine is risky. Wouldn't putting a person who is young fit and healthy in the same room as someone who has been given the vaccine and then covid-19. Then see what happens next.
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22/01/2021 11:11:41 2 2
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Because normally we test for such things by (TLDR) killing hundreds of thousands of animals in controlled laboratory conditions - only we don't have a useful animal equivalent for this question. So to answer it, we'd need to do the same thing with humans.

Medical Ethics says "No"
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22/01/2021 10:54:05 8 9
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Why is it that the vaccines have 90% chance of working. But no firm evidence of if someone that has been vaccinated will pass on the virus or not. Considering trialing the vaccine is risky. Wouldn't putting a person who is young fit and healthy in the same room as someone who has been given the vaccine and then covid-19. Then see what happens next.
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Ray
22/01/2021 11:12:00 0 0
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Big reasons for why the vaccine is 'only' 90 % effective. It is 100% effective in stopping deaths though. So if the 10% catch Covid while vaccinated the outcome is much more favourable. Those tests you propose are great but the real world is quicker and that scenario is certainly going to occur its just a matter of observing it and seeing what happens.
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22/01/2021 11:40:16 2 0
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We don't know that the Vaccine is a 100% effective at stopping deaths; in the Phase 3 trial nobody died with the Vaccine but only a handful caught COVID
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22/01/2021 10:57:28 3 4
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Novavax sterilises and has been tested that way. We need to get that vaccine approved asap meanwhile verifiying the results on sterilisation of the current vaccines.

We also need to exponentially ramp up the current programme. Why are we not working 24/7 to triage this and lift vaccination numbers to 7.5m per week (that's ONLY 6k x 1250 mega centres / combined areas!
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22/01/2021 11:12:24 2 1
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do we have 7.5m vaccine doses per week to administer?
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22/01/2021 11:13:00 43 27
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Just had a post removed for calling the government restrictions 'illegal and immoral' ... and for suggesting people think for themselves! Come on people...wake up...the BBC regard thinking for yourselves a crime.
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s5s
22/01/2021 11:15:19 22 13
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Yeah...comments here are heavily moderated. Talking about free speech...or TV licence fees...Ironically, you probably won't get this reply because it will be moderated.
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22/01/2021 11:15:37 10 3
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Change your name to Prof Neil Ferguson, Rita Ora, Piers Morgan, Dominic Cummings, or become an MP. Then you can do anything you want. Lockdown doesn't apply to the rich and powerful.
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22/01/2021 11:24:47 4 2
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Funny how supporters of free speech, freedom of expression and a free press are the very ones limiting same for the masses. BUT, you ARE free to agree. !!!!!!!
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Ads
22/01/2021 11:32:06 3 4
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Immoral would be taking a direct action that lead to half a million deaths. The Government actions are literally the law as they have been passed into law by the Commons, Lords and given royal assent
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22/01/2021 11:34:09 0 0
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Removed before being posted or removed once it was posted?
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22/01/2021 11:38:33 12 7
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The irony of all these Covidiots claiming we need to 'think for ourselves'. Yet displaying a level of ignorance and denial that can only be wondered at!
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22/01/2021 11:46:01 11 10
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True.Have you noticed anyone who disagrees with lockdowns and rules never get any airtime.The Gov has tunnel vision and is prepared to ruin 66 million lives to save NHS which has been underfunded and mismanaged for years.Lockdowns do not work and there is going to be a tsunami of mental health problems apart from deaths from cancer etc.You would think Covid is only illn ess and I blame media.
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22/01/2021 12:47:47 2 5
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Totally agree. We live in the biggest nanny state in the world. The government can’t give us personal responsibility to isolate if we’re vulnerable.... no just lock everything down forever. I’ll be leaving this country this year thank god.
23/01/2021 15:28:18 0 0
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And I've just had one removed for defending the BBC from people like you. Funny old world .
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s5s
22/01/2021 11:13:37 96 48
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Look at the official statistics by the ONS. People under 45 are extremely unlikely to be hospitalised or die. People 45-65 are very unlikely...Above 65 the situation changes drastically. Given these statistics by the ONS, I don't understand the blanket lockdown rules. I also don't understand why lockdown isn't targeted at certain age groups.
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22/01/2021 11:37:05 59 42
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I'd wager that are many many things which you dont understand.
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22/01/2021 11:44:33 14 5
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1) long covid affecting younger people - especially heart issues, diabetes - mean that 25 year old (for eg) needing life long care from NHS and may be unable to work
2) young people are still ill, just drs choose who to take to hospital
3) 1 in 7 have a chronic condition, 1 in 3 overweight, plus we have an ageing population- who actually goes out?
4) quality of life for those you want to lockup
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22/01/2021 12:01:10 18 3
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Because you cant keep a few million people segregated from all human contact. If the wider population had an extremely high number of infections the virus would reach them.
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22/01/2021 12:44:15 10 18
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Exactly. I’ve worked through all lockdowns being local council employee. All I see walking about are people over 60, almost no children in the street. The over 60s should have a curfew not everyone. It’s disgusting how this has been dealt with.
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22/01/2021 14:00:40 11 0
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I wonder, then, how the people in care homes got covid? Very limited social contact before Covid and locked down ever since. Do you think they got it on their nights out clubbing?
Over 50s are actually quite vulnerable. If you withdrew the labour, skills and knowledge of all of the over 50s from the NHS, how do you think they would cope, how many consultants, senior nurses, etc would that cover?
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22/01/2021 15:15:43 2 2
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This was the Great Barrington approach. This is CDC data not ONS but for context, the infection fatality rate of those over 65 or w/ comorbidities is circa 0.8%, for under 65s w/o comorbidities it is on avg. <0.01% (varies by age) Special protection + privileges could have been given to those at high risk & living with those at high risk. With this new variant & NHS overload, the game has changed.
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22/01/2021 22:52:36 2 0
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The average age of people in hospital seriously ill with Covid is 60.if they just lockdown people over 60 there could be in excess of 100,000 cases per day.people aged 50-60 are at high risk of hospitalisation .its a smaller percentage (than60-70)but it’s a smaller percentage of a larger number (100,000).shove that in your ONS file.
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23/01/2021 01:18:43 2 0
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Could it be that youngsters, middle aged people , teenagers and children interact or even live together?
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22/01/2021 10:54:05 8 9
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Why is it that the vaccines have 90% chance of working. But no firm evidence of if someone that has been vaccinated will pass on the virus or not. Considering trialing the vaccine is risky. Wouldn't putting a person who is young fit and healthy in the same room as someone who has been given the vaccine and then covid-19. Then see what happens next.
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22/01/2021 11:14:26 5 1
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so you want to deliberately try to infect two people? And even then you only have one data point, hardly a conclusive trial
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Rob
22/01/2021 11:14:56 14 13
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I think they got the vaccination program the wrong way round. It would've better I think to vaccinate the working population 1st, as that would automatically reduce the pressure on the NHS & saved the Gov. billions of pounds in borrowing, I support building of the Nightingale field hospitals, but ashamed they weren't utilised as army medics could've staffed them
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22/01/2021 11:50:13 6 1
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So much that's wrong with this post. Just to make one point, the working population is not the one that gets admitted to hospital in large numbers with Covid.
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22/01/2021 10:55:41 5 11
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They'll let us play out for a couple of months in summer, then it's back in our cells until May 2022.
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22/01/2021 11:15:08 5 3
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I'd hope not, but there are some government advisers who really seem to love lockdowns. There's certainly a danger that we end up restricting activity every winter, when respiratory diseases and pressure on the NHS are at their highest (as they are every year).
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22/01/2021 12:00:22 3 1
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Some of the scientists would have us locked up all year.This cannot continue.We must have a functioning economy to fund NHS. Mental health problems is going to be far worse problem than the virus.Cure is worse than the disease.I will not be a prisoner in my own home.I live alone and the Gov is blaming the public when its their incompetence and the media spreading doom and gloom
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22/01/2021 11:13:00 43 27
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Just had a post removed for calling the government restrictions 'illegal and immoral' ... and for suggesting people think for themselves! Come on people...wake up...the BBC regard thinking for yourselves a crime.
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s5s
22/01/2021 11:15:19 22 13
bbc
Yeah...comments here are heavily moderated. Talking about free speech...or TV licence fees...Ironically, you probably won't get this reply because it will be moderated.
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22/01/2021 12:50:15 2 3
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We don’t have free speech in the UK as someone will be offended. The entitlement of the ‘one’ far outweighs all else. It’s sort of why 99.9% of us are suffering to help the lives of 0.1% or less. Because they are entitled to expect the rest to jump through hoops for them at any cost.
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22/01/2021 10:53:49 27 19
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Vaccinating the very vulnerable won't end lockdown because it will have virtually no impact on Intensive Care.
Intensive care is at capacity but there are hardly any older (+70) patients - they wouldn't survive.
Only by vaccinating the 50+s or 40+s will relieve pressure on intensive care.
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22/01/2021 11:15:25 3 0
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Yes hence talk of releasing restrictions when all the current top priority groups are covered (50+)
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22/01/2021 11:13:00 43 27
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Just had a post removed for calling the government restrictions 'illegal and immoral' ... and for suggesting people think for themselves! Come on people...wake up...the BBC regard thinking for yourselves a crime.
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22/01/2021 11:15:37 10 3
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Change your name to Prof Neil Ferguson, Rita Ora, Piers Morgan, Dominic Cummings, or become an MP. Then you can do anything you want. Lockdown doesn't apply to the rich and powerful.
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22/01/2021 11:00:32 14 10
bbc
The vaccination programme is way too slow currently, we need to be achieving 7.5m / month (only 6k x 1250 mega centres / combined areas per week). But prior to that folks should be working 24/7 to resolve supply and infra issues of the Oxford vaccine.
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22/01/2021 11:15:49 4 1
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approx 300m per day average, thats 9m per month
The BBC keep removing my comments ... For telling people to 'think for themselves' and criticism of the government...this is why the BBC and its fee has to go with lockdowns! Removed
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22/01/2021 11:26:28 6 6
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You don't have the right to break the law and call it thinking for yourself. Your not a Virologist, you don't know better.
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22/01/2021 11:46:31 1 2
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How stupid can you be, if the NHS has no capacity to treat you when you need it it does effect you. Need an ICU bed after a car accident and none available you will die not of COVID but of the stupidity of people like you. What exactly are your medical qualification, none clearly? And what has the lock down got to do with the BBC or any other media out let, if you don't like BBC why are you here?
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Sam
22/01/2021 11:16:31 45 2
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There is no shortage of delivery capacity - as witnessed by the constantly reported complaints of the GPs and Pharmacists that they can do more if they get more vaccine.

That is the correct situation - delivery capacity must stay ahead of industry vaccine delivery capacity in order to ensure that vaccine is utilised as it becomes available.
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22/01/2021 11:16:36 9 4
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Surely caution seems appropriate going forward if the extremely vulnerable are mostly going to receive the Oxford vaccine which provides 62% protection and less so until the second dose is administered 3 months later.
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22/01/2021 12:01:14 3 0
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Caution and action are very appropriate, and yes immunity takes time and is incomplete even among those fortunate enough to be vaccinated.

As Dr Mike Ryan of WHO said last spring: 'Be fast, have no regrets. You must be the first mover. The virus will always get you if you don't move quickly. If you need to be right before you move, you will never win'.
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22/01/2021 11:16:49 5 3
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Still being stagnant Trigger, why can't you write something positive rather than dragging mindless drivel thru the lines. .
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ME
22/01/2021 10:43:57 211 36
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The majority of the country are expecting to go back to a tier system by mid February - if the majority of the at risk are vaccinated and social distancing and masking is retained what is the need for dragging this lockdown out. This will merely exacerbate the financial and mental health issues are facing. Being safe is nice, being safe, destitute and homeless is not!
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22/01/2021 11:19:09 14 9
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That seems like an unreasonable expectation. By mid feb we will only have vaccinated the most vulnerable, not the groups most likely to be in ICU.

Unless the justification for return to tiers is that the lockdown will have reduced cases to a more manageable level. In which case the tiers will have to have restrictions to keep the R number at 1, not growing as it was between november and january.
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22/01/2021 11:19:27 4 3
bbc
"Following the science" in this pandemic has rewritten much of what we thought we knew. Especially we should thank the journalists for many of these scientific revelations who, with their fresh insight unclouded by unhelpful debate, have steered us through. Bravo!
82
22/01/2021 11:37:43 2 4
bbc
"Following the science" has caused untold misery and will cause much, much more when the bills are handed out to us, the long-suffering population. This will not end in Spring or even in the next decade!
28
22/01/2021 11:06:48 414 37
bbc
Is it just me, or are the goal posts for the lifting of restrictions constantly being pushed back? Mid February, middle of March, now Spring/Summer (we know that means Summer).

I know a lot of people in my position (living alone) are literally on tick over now, purely existing, not living a life.
50
22/01/2021 11:20:09 40 20
bbc
Unfortunately there are still too many unknowns lurking, some of which we probably haven't been told about. Boris has been lambasted throughout for being too optimistic, resulting in a string of false promises. To keep doing that is going to affect mental health as much, if not more than the lockdown itself.
87
22/01/2021 11:38:08 44 12
bbc
I agree, if they just said we'll look into opening in April from the off, I think it would have been better for mental health as opposed to the constant teases of it being one date, then moved again etc. Building expectations up then dashing them
193
22/01/2021 12:20:25 51 8
bbc
Talking to friends what seem to affect their mental health the most is their sacrifices seeming to be made worthless by those who ignore or bend the rules or are legally out and about but constantly ramming it home on social media.

One tried to commit suicide because she was sick of seeing friends post about walks, hugging family and so on while she was home alone - fortunately she failed.
22
22/01/2021 11:05:09 25 21
bbc
Open field hospitals to take pressure off NHS.
Death rates now are lower than 10 years ago, so Lockdown is not justified on a deaths basis.
Covid is here and we have to accept it, and accept death rates will return to pre 2010 levels.
Lockdown is far more dangerous than Covid. We are destroying economy, livelihoods and future of the UK which will be devastating and kill millions in the long run.
51
22/01/2021 11:20:19 12 0
bbc
But where would death rates by without lockdowns?
133
22/01/2021 11:55:42 3 0
bbc
To open more field hospitals you need to have more qualified and experienced staff. With the NHS staff already on their knees how can you staff more hospitals?
52
Ady
22/01/2021 11:20:41 10 15
bbc
Propaganda by the mainstream media is keeping this lockdown going. Their lies are slowly being exposed.
72
22/01/2021 11:33:34 3 2
bbc
Uh, no.
11
22/01/2021 10:56:54 12 24
bbc
All the sacrifices by the young, yet they are still criticised for a minority of failings. Meanwhile the old and vulberable are in the supermarkets and booking holidays. Take responsibility for your own health!

Haven't heard a single story of the old giving to the young to repair some of the damage that has been inflicted. Time to get your cheque books out and make some donations!
53
Ads
22/01/2021 11:21:17 6 2
bbc
How selfish of people buying food in a supermarket whilst wearing a mask; its totally the same as hosting an illegal rave
54
22/01/2021 11:21:18 3 2
bbc
Could it be uncertainty around whether a further mutation may circumvent the vaccine? No-one wants to hear it but it IS possible.
58
AJ
22/01/2021 11:22:55 8 1
bbc
Yes true, but by all accounts the vaccine is pretty easy to adjust if necessary......optimism pleasssse.
71
22/01/2021 11:32:50 0 0
bbc
That's one valid, additional fear. The more virus you have circulating, the greater the chance of a 'vaccine escape' variant, or one with greater virulence.

We should focus on reducing cases first.
77
22/01/2021 11:35:24 0 0
bbc
Mutations are a fact of life with viruses. They cannot be used ad infinitum to keep us locked up. There must be an end to lockdowns in Spring, when the weather will hopefully bring the relief we experienced last year. Vaccinations will continue during the quiet summer months and be completed before winter returns. Nothing else makes any long term sense, we must live with covid like we do flu.
18
22/01/2021 11:00:21 317 38
bbc
Restrictions may be lifted in SUMMER??

Since March I've been locked down alone in tiny room in London. No gym. No pub. No holiday. No shops. Can't meet friends. Couldn't go back North for Xmas to see family (last second govt policy change). Been working 7 days a week on calls and emails. This is no quality of life. And now we're told "SUMMER".

At what point does "life" turn into "existence"?
55
22/01/2021 11:21:50 113 11
bbc
I'm the same. Just my daily exercise keeps me sane.
69
22/01/2021 11:31:10 35 3
bbc
In September I got ridiculously excited just to be allowed to go to the office for one day a week (before that too was taken away). It was like Christmas. This is what "life" has come to.
140
22/01/2021 11:47:09 2 11
bbc
^^^ It's almost like they've got the rules *exactly right* , isnt it? ;)
56
22/01/2021 11:22:21 18 9
bbc
Fear not. Covid ‘case’ numbers are just about to decline. Hurray for the vaccines and Joe Biden!

Many medical professionals have been saying, for months, that the over amplification of the PCR tests is a total joke. Strange that the WHO choose this moment to revise their guidance.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/who-admits-covid-pcr-test-has-a-problem/
318
22/01/2021 13:13:39 9 3
bbc
Irrespective of that the hospital admissions are still too high and it cannot continue. Just because covid cases may decline due to this finding it won't affect the hospital admissions thus restrictions must stay in place so that hospital admissions are reduced.
676
22/01/2021 18:30:16 1 0
bbc
This article references another covid-skeptic website. That website has references that only link back to itself; none of the information is varifiable.
25
22/01/2021 11:06:11 88 38
bbc
We need to open the country fully by late spring, regardless of what happens in the next few months. Immune systems are stronger in summer, people are outside more and there is less pressure on the NHS. Allow the population to be exposed to the virus at the time of lowest risk.
57
22/01/2021 11:22:51 61 45
bbc
Which is why we should have allowed the spread in thee summer of 2020... We would have a working population with natural immunity if we just lockdown the vulnerable groups instead of all our kids!
108
22/01/2021 11:46:44 14 9
bbc
Wow,you have solved it and come up with a 'final solution'.
161
22/01/2021 12:04:20 10 3
bbc
Or follow Taiwan & much of SE Asia.
Taiwan just 7 covid deaths in 12 months. Very low covid+, no lockdown ever. Economy grew.
Cake and eat it is possible.. Just not under ukgov.
Japan, S Korea, Singapore, ozz, nz.. All island states, all shut borders properly, all least covid deaths etc.
Google 'Taiwan covid' for interactive graphs. Then change country. Beware scale Twn 10, UK 10,000!!
214
22/01/2021 12:23:56 0 3
bbc
That makes very good sense!
235
22/01/2021 12:42:08 5 9
bbc
The depression caused by these lockdowns will lower immune system of many people now. We should have protected those at risk better but let 99% get on with things; we wouldn’t be in this ridiculous mess right now.
540
22/01/2021 15:49:35 2 1
bbc
Exactly, they just made things much worse by locking down in summer.
It’s going to continue now for another 18 months at least.
624
22/01/2021 17:20:57 1 5
bbc
That is what happened! NO_ONE bothered to stay safe during the summer and look what happened! Folk from the high risk areas wandered all over the Scottish Highlands and left their crap all over the place..and the virus!! If you locked down the vulnerable groups who will run the country? lol
881
22/01/2021 23:23:17 0 1
bbc
Nope we would still have had the winter spike. Its a seasonal virus. Summer may have accelerated things but it would have still happened.
913
23/01/2021 00:15:14 0 1
bbc
If we had allowed the spread in thee summer as you suggest we would have infected virtually all the population (it is quite contagious).at roughly 1% mortality (of 68 million ) you would have 680,000 dead.happy now?
23/01/2021 15:05:00 0 0
bbc
There is no proof that getting Covid confers any long term immunity.
54
22/01/2021 11:21:18 3 2
bbc
Could it be uncertainty around whether a further mutation may circumvent the vaccine? No-one wants to hear it but it IS possible.
58
AJ
22/01/2021 11:22:55 8 1
bbc
Yes true, but by all accounts the vaccine is pretty easy to adjust if necessary......optimism pleasssse.
67
VoR
22/01/2021 11:29:37 0 0
bbc
Depends on what the mutation is. And an adjusted vaccine still needs to be produced and administered.
59
22/01/2021 11:23:40 4 3
bbc
This is a very useful article, but there are additional considerations. For one, 'opening up' results in greater spread of the new variant to other countries with poorer healthcare.

Also Gupta lab is suggesting about half of over 80s don't have effective antibodies (IgG) three weeks after first jab.

We should try to use vaccination to _contain_, together with support to test, trace and isolate.
63
VoR
22/01/2021 11:27:29 2 0
bbc
Also with mentioning that the more virus that is out there, the more likely we have a problematic mutation to deal with.
100
22/01/2021 11:43:05 0 0
bbc
Test and trace is the biggest waste of money ever and those millions should have been given to NHS so we can get out of this mess. The virus is here to stay and we dont shut the country down when flu season comes round.The cure is worse than the disease.
10
22/01/2021 10:56:36 96 21
bbc
I suspect transmission becomes much less of an issue once the vaccine has done its job of reducing the risk of death in the top 4 at risk categories. An 80 year old passing this on to a generally healthy 30 year old is not going to be grounds for putting the world on hold when the outcome of that for 8 out of 10 will be the equivalent of a heavy cold.
60
22/01/2021 11:23:42 15 6
bbc
But the ICUs are full of people in their 50s and 60s, increasing the number of these people catching the virus would be catastrophic
35
22/01/2021 11:13:00 43 27
bbc
Just had a post removed for calling the government restrictions 'illegal and immoral' ... and for suggesting people think for themselves! Come on people...wake up...the BBC regard thinking for yourselves a crime.
61
22/01/2021 11:24:47 4 2
bbc
Funny how supporters of free speech, freedom of expression and a free press are the very ones limiting same for the masses. BUT, you ARE free to agree. !!!!!!!
The BBC keep removing my comments ... For telling people to 'think for themselves' and criticism of the government...this is why the BBC and its fee has to go with lockdowns! Removed
62
Ads
22/01/2021 11:26:28 6 6
bbc
You don't have the right to break the law and call it thinking for yourself. Your not a Virologist, you don't know better.
98
22/01/2021 11:41:21 3 1
bbc
You don't need to be a virologist to understand job losses, economics, mental health, increased non-covid deaths, failed businesses, the "ignored" self-employed, loneliness, and all the other plagues heaped upon us by the reaction to this epidemic.
59
22/01/2021 11:23:40 4 3
bbc
This is a very useful article, but there are additional considerations. For one, 'opening up' results in greater spread of the new variant to other countries with poorer healthcare.

Also Gupta lab is suggesting about half of over 80s don't have effective antibodies (IgG) three weeks after first jab.

We should try to use vaccination to _contain_, together with support to test, trace and isolate.
63
VoR
22/01/2021 11:27:29 2 0
bbc
Also with mentioning that the more virus that is out there, the more likely we have a problematic mutation to deal with.
64
22/01/2021 11:27:49 207 49
bbc
A problem here is that the price of the pandemic is being calculated using a limited range of metrics; mainly NHS bed space and deaths of bluntly, predominantly the elderly. There is very little calculation of the cost this is having in less tangible ways. This includes mental health, the impact on our children, the impact on our families and our basic freedoms. Society will soon say NO MORE
99
22/01/2021 11:41:37 103 116
bbc
Quite right.Im really surprised we have not seen more civil unrest as people come to realise the Gov seem to have got used to the power over our lives.Its becoming clear that they areprepared to let the whole country go into freefall as they have tunnel vision and cannot accept that lockdowns DO NOT WORK.
145
22/01/2021 11:58:27 11 9
bbc
Ukgov must also be factoring in economy.
Why else have all lockdowns including latest been... Late.
NHS wouldn't be over wheamled if BJ had locked down, shut borders etc earlier!
Issues are though none of the policies, reasons are made public.
How will ukgov be held to account or improve?
242
22/01/2021 12:45:05 17 1
bbc
I think it's the opposite, the government have focused too much on not shutting anything down in the hope it would go away, but in the end making both the economy and death rate much worse. They're serial gamblers, only they're the worst kind because they're gambling with our money and our lives, not their own. Not a single politician will be poorer at the end of all this, of either side.
355
22/01/2021 13:33:43 16 9
bbc
and the inference in your remark is that anybody you consider 'elderly' was likely in the next couple of months anyway. How callous and totally wrong. Where is OK to draw the line? At 60? or 70? when many have the possibility of 20 or 30 or more active and fulfilling years. You want to sacrifice that many years of your life? Grow up!
428
Alf
22/01/2021 14:21:09 19 16
bbc
The average age of covid deaths is 82. The normal life expectancy in this country is 81. We are throwing away everyone's future for something that causes death at a natural age.
460
22/01/2021 14:39:44 8 4
bbc
As long as its not by refusing to obey the govermnet on perfectly reasonable grounds. e.g., this virus surives off idiots who don't wear masks, get vaccinated (unless allergic, pregnant or a child)
are you in favour of a cull of over 70s? Removed
623
22/01/2021 17:18:59 0 1
bbc
Groupco!!!!
666
22/01/2021 18:10:08 1 1
bbc
Or maybe just those in society who are not at risk of becoming seriously ill and dying will say 'no more'
719
22/01/2021 19:28:06 0 4
bbc
I quite agree , I'm fed up of hearing about the elderly and saving the nhs. Young people will have and are making too many sacrifices. Children should be back at school, they are our future. Mental health issues will skyrocket after these lockdowns.
805
22/01/2021 21:07:06 3 0
bbc
And when all those who say “NO MORE” go out and help development of a more deadly strain of the virus, will they (and you) then blame someone else because you never want to sacrifice anything or take responsibility for your actions?
23/01/2021 19:41:42 0 0
bbc
What's your solution - don't allow anyone over 50 to use the NHS or do you just not treat anyone with Covid and let 500,000 die at home?
65
VoR
22/01/2021 11:28:12 6 2
bbc
Also, the more virus that is out in the population, the more likely it is that we'll have a problematic mutation to deal with.
92
22/01/2021 11:39:29 4 1
bbc
Not necessarily. A relatively mild strain that is highly transmissible could spread through the population quickly, but not cause major problems (like the common cold). Then lots of people would have developed some natural resistance if a more deadly strain subsequently appeared.
66
22/01/2021 11:29:22 19 4
bbc
'In the end, it is going to come down to what society is willing to tolerate'. I don't recall at any stage of the decision process being asked that question. In the summer when Covid took a holiday we were still living under restrictions. Tbh the vaccine is the game changer so this summer should/has to be a different story but remember Boris/SAGE still have 4 years so don't hold your breath .
91
22/01/2021 11:39:10 7 5
bbc
This summer will not be much different to last summer, but it will feel better due to contrast with current situation. autumn should be a lot better than last autumn though
93
22/01/2021 11:40:01 1 1
bbc
Just what I said.The Gov think ifthey dont tell us about their exit strategy we will just rumble along and get used to the country being closed while people's livelihoods are being thrown on the scrapheap.Im sick of the media who only report doom and gloom.People recover from Covid,I know some who have,its not an instant death sentence like the media portrays.
158
22/01/2021 12:01:45 1 0
bbc
Give them enough rope.
196
22/01/2021 12:22:52 3 0
bbc
The question of what society will tolerate is really important, but politicians seem not to have dared pose it publicly. That led to deadly 'compromises' & 'balance'.

Probably we wouldn't want to take much action for a virus with IFR of 0.01% and R0 of 10, but if IFR were 10% and R0 3, we'd try to eliminate it.

This should be discussed and decided internationally in advance of future pandemics.
815
22/01/2021 21:19:48 0 0
bbc
Three years now.
960
23/01/2021 01:24:54 0 0
bbc
We know how well that works, or have you already forgotten the EU referendum and how long it took, do you imagine Covid will wait?
58
AJ
22/01/2021 11:22:55 8 1
bbc
Yes true, but by all accounts the vaccine is pretty easy to adjust if necessary......optimism pleasssse.
67
VoR
22/01/2021 11:29:37 0 0
bbc
Depends on what the mutation is. And an adjusted vaccine still needs to be produced and administered.
24
22/01/2021 11:05:59 250 27
bbc
What’s concerning us not just the lack of an exit strategy, but the lack of desire to even talk about an exit strategy.

Mental health is the next pandemic and it’s about to hit.
68
22/01/2021 11:30:34 94 13
bbc
Look out of the metaphorical window and you will see that the mental health pandemic is already here... I wonder how they will deal with that one?
79
22/01/2021 11:36:40 24 11
bbc
How will they deal with it? Easy. They won't. By July some restrictions will be eased. Then the post-furlough economy will tank. Mass unemployment and evictions will be piled on top of mental sickness, domestic abuse, missed education, alcoholism. The govt will shrug. Then by September, Prof Neil Ferguson will call for another lockdown because he misses being on the news. And round and round we go
221
22/01/2021 12:32:17 3 2
bbc
Print more money; it’s easy, no need to pay it back, we can do this forever.
344
22/01/2021 13:25:47 4 8
bbc
No it isn't - no such thing
465
dan
22/01/2021 14:42:46 3 2
bbc
must be what the nightingales are there for lol
605
22/01/2021 17:07:44 1 5
bbc
They'll announce that mental ill-health spreads through an airborne vector and we all need to be kept locked up indefinitely. They'll produce some data and stand up and lie to the media on a daily basis, I should think.
23/01/2021 19:58:46 0 0
bbc
instead of being negative look at this as an opportunity to learn how to deal with life's curve balls learn discipline life is a journey with many twists turns and bumps embrace it all good bad indifferent trust in god to help you just ask for his support
55
22/01/2021 11:21:50 113 11
bbc
I'm the same. Just my daily exercise keeps me sane.
69
22/01/2021 11:31:10 35 3
bbc
In September I got ridiculously excited just to be allowed to go to the office for one day a week (before that too was taken away). It was like Christmas. This is what "life" has come to.
35
22/01/2021 11:13:00 43 27
bbc
Just had a post removed for calling the government restrictions 'illegal and immoral' ... and for suggesting people think for themselves! Come on people...wake up...the BBC regard thinking for yourselves a crime.
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Ads
22/01/2021 11:32:06 3 4
bbc
Immoral would be taking a direct action that lead to half a million deaths. The Government actions are literally the law as they have been passed into law by the Commons, Lords and given royal assent
173
22/01/2021 12:09:10 4 3
bbc
Taiwan has just 7 covid deaths in 12 months. Its economy grew, no lockdown ever.
Japan, S Korea, nz, ozz, Singapore all islands, all shut borders in Feb, all far less covid deaths etc than UK.
Google 's Korea covid'. Beware scale Twn is 10s, uk 10,000s!!
I can't understand why UK public so laid back on obvious ukgov huge fail! Ukgov haven't saved lives or saved the economy!!
54
22/01/2021 11:21:18 3 2
bbc
Could it be uncertainty around whether a further mutation may circumvent the vaccine? No-one wants to hear it but it IS possible.
71
22/01/2021 11:32:50 0 0
bbc
That's one valid, additional fear. The more virus you have circulating, the greater the chance of a 'vaccine escape' variant, or one with greater virulence.

We should focus on reducing cases first.
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Ady
22/01/2021 11:20:41 10 15
bbc
Propaganda by the mainstream media is keeping this lockdown going. Their lies are slowly being exposed.
72
22/01/2021 11:33:34 3 2
bbc
Uh, no.
35
22/01/2021 11:13:00 43 27
bbc
Just had a post removed for calling the government restrictions 'illegal and immoral' ... and for suggesting people think for themselves! Come on people...wake up...the BBC regard thinking for yourselves a crime.
73
22/01/2021 11:34:09 0 0
bbc
Removed before being posted or removed once it was posted?
178
22/01/2021 12:13:04 1 4
bbc
Bbc is paid for by public money.
Yet few comments allowed. Comment system is deliberately broken. No public discussion of stories. No up ticks. Including on iplayer.
How is bbc driven by ukpublic?
UK population increased near 10% in recent decades, bbc spends 10% on world service.. So there's 20% increase in revenue!!
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PLC
22/01/2021 11:34:44 2 1
bbc
Build more hospitals asap as this and other coronavirus infections will not go away. Mitigation by whatever means is critical but levels of sickness will always be with us sadly.....
97
22/01/2021 11:40:44 4 0
bbc
More nurses,doctors and healthcare assistants will be required and these take at least three years to come into the system.
75
22/01/2021 11:34:45 81 12
bbc
We are so focussed on deaths caused by Covid that we forget (or ignore?) just how many people die on a daily basis from a range of other conditions.
So yes, there will come a point at which we shall be as nonchalant about Covid-related deaths as we are about flu-related deaths.
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JD
22/01/2021 12:24:24 36 12
bbc
The sooner the better,
405
22/01/2021 14:05:36 3 1
bbc
Covid is responsible for many more deaths than straight infection deaths, as soon as the NHS stop treating other conditions and people die as a result, which should be explained but is not, I do expect another "change of the way we count covid deaths" as the totals start to look really bad
538
22/01/2021 15:48:09 1 0
bbc
It’s coming sooner than later
858
22/01/2021 22:32:50 1 3
bbc
I hope your foreseen ignorant uncaring nonchalance doesn’t rub off on too many other people.we are all totally aware of people dying from other conditions but wether we are or not changes nothing.is your real name jack?dont worry your alright.
860
22/01/2021 22:37:14 4 0
bbc
This is exactly what Prof. Chris Whitty said just recently. Covid will be de-risked when society will tolerate a level of covid deaths as they do flu, which is currently between 7,000-20,000 annually.
23/01/2021 18:56:15 0 0
bbc
I've had enough of Covid deaths and become totally unfased and desensitised by them due to the media keep telling me how many are dead and dying. Couldn't case less anymore.
76
22/01/2021 11:23:25 21 9
bbc
Feel very strongly the government is not following the rules on Pfizer vaccine should be three weeks as the trials were done care home residents still dying after first vaccine covid-19 still sweeping through homes because they never had the second jab in 3 weeks they keep telling everyone one else to follow the rules why don't they
84
22/01/2021 11:37:48 16 4
bbc
Easy to point at those who have had 1 dose but not 2, but don't forget for every person who gets a second dose, someone else has none at all. Do these people not count?
96
22/01/2021 11:40:42 2 1
bbc
It was a no brainer at the time to get it out to more people. They were working of scientific advice that the first jab would provide >70% protection.

1m with > 80% vs. 0.5m with >90% protection -

The only reason this is out for debate again is that these levels of protection may not be quite so high - but this is still by no means definitive.
54
22/01/2021 11:21:18 3 2
bbc
Could it be uncertainty around whether a further mutation may circumvent the vaccine? No-one wants to hear it but it IS possible.
77
22/01/2021 11:35:24 0 0
bbc
Mutations are a fact of life with viruses. They cannot be used ad infinitum to keep us locked up. There must be an end to lockdowns in Spring, when the weather will hopefully bring the relief we experienced last year. Vaccinations will continue during the quiet summer months and be completed before winter returns. Nothing else makes any long term sense, we must live with covid like we do flu.
78
22/01/2021 11:35:55 5 5
bbc
Once it gets to a lower level we need to live with coronavirus the same as the flu. It is a risk in the same way as crossing a road or having a heart attack. Some individuals seem happy to be in permanent lockdown. Really ? Once we get to spring need to get back out there as lockdown not good for anyone.
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PLC
22/01/2021 11:38:14 1 0
bbc
see my comments
164
22/01/2021 12:03:10 0 0
bbc
It does suit some - time with family, work at home, still get paid, educate your kids yourself - oblivious to the torture and abuse of others - don't see loved ones, find a partner, have a child while you still can. Live with someone abusive and never get out because all income gone and not coming back. State abuse of kids keeping them cooped up. Dictators rob the poor to give to the rich.
68
22/01/2021 11:30:34 94 13
bbc
Look out of the metaphorical window and you will see that the mental health pandemic is already here... I wonder how they will deal with that one?
79
22/01/2021 11:36:40 24 11
bbc
How will they deal with it? Easy. They won't. By July some restrictions will be eased. Then the post-furlough economy will tank. Mass unemployment and evictions will be piled on top of mental sickness, domestic abuse, missed education, alcoholism. The govt will shrug. Then by September, Prof Neil Ferguson will call for another lockdown because he misses being on the news. And round and round we go
23/01/2021 05:42:36 1 1
bbc
You are a happy chappy, aren't you?
80
22/01/2021 11:37:03 35 4
bbc
This is over one way or another in the Summer,

If the vaccine is found to be not as effective as we believed - We will have done everything we can.
Support us already wavering for lockdown's. Some serious effort will need to be put into making the NHS more resilient.
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PLC
22/01/2021 11:37:54 0 1
bbc
agree see my comments
543
22/01/2021 15:52:30 1 0
bbc
Correct, now convince the idiots at sage who seem to have only one plan . Keep us locked up forever
1
ME
22/01/2021 10:43:57 211 36
bbc
The majority of the country are expecting to go back to a tier system by mid February - if the majority of the at risk are vaccinated and social distancing and masking is retained what is the need for dragging this lockdown out. This will merely exacerbate the financial and mental health issues are facing. Being safe is nice, being safe, destitute and homeless is not!
81
22/01/2021 11:37:19 7 3
bbc
perhaps if you read the article you might understand!
49
22/01/2021 11:19:27 4 3
bbc
"Following the science" in this pandemic has rewritten much of what we thought we knew. Especially we should thank the journalists for many of these scientific revelations who, with their fresh insight unclouded by unhelpful debate, have steered us through. Bravo!
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22/01/2021 11:37:43 2 4
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"Following the science" has caused untold misery and will cause much, much more when the bills are handed out to us, the long-suffering population. This will not end in Spring or even in the next decade!
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22/01/2021 11:37:44 138 21
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We must open up as much as we can once top tiers have been vaccinated.We cannot continue with the economy in a coma.There must be a level of risk considered good enough as we cant wait to vaccinate 66 million people while the country goes into freefall.Remember public funds are need for the NHS. This situation is unsustainable and people need to know the end is in sight and its not all doom.
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22/01/2021 12:38:05 5 7
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There is hope of reducing deaths to the level of flu, but 'open up as much as we can' is very imprecise and probably the wrong way of thinking about it.

The more the virus can be contained to levels manageable by local public health, through fast contact tracing and supported isolation, the more people can socialise, and worthwhile trades continued.

Can a mere concept be in 'freefall' or 'coma'?
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22/01/2021 13:50:07 1 5
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We have to vaccines anybody visiting or working in any hospital. No vaccine (even visitors or patients) no entry otherwise intra hospital it could be catastrophic.

What needs to change is the vaccination rate. It is way too slow, they should be hitting 7.5m / week (that is only 6k / week x 1250 mega centres / combined areas. Not unachievable when broken down and considered.
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22/01/2021 17:14:44 2 4
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Are the NHS paying back the moneys wasted by building these so called Nightingale Hospitals using the military and then not using them as they did not sort out any staff!! We must have an enquiry as to who is responsible for this almighty c..k up!! Public funds are also needed to pay for all the benefits and grants being chucked about without proper checks been made as to actual entitlement.
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23/01/2021 01:07:36 0 2
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agreed - far more worthy medical causes of people with otherwise treatable conditions who will contribute to the overall welfare of society than (frankly) the old and frail. We cannot continue to prioritise the latter at the expense of the rest - it's a bit like medics having to triage victims in a disaster - the most likely to die get least priority. Not nice but necessary
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22/01/2021 11:23:25 21 9
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Feel very strongly the government is not following the rules on Pfizer vaccine should be three weeks as the trials were done care home residents still dying after first vaccine covid-19 still sweeping through homes because they never had the second jab in 3 weeks they keep telling everyone one else to follow the rules why don't they
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22/01/2021 11:37:48 16 4
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Easy to point at those who have had 1 dose but not 2, but don't forget for every person who gets a second dose, someone else has none at all. Do these people not count?
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22/01/2021 11:37:03 35 4
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This is over one way or another in the Summer,

If the vaccine is found to be not as effective as we believed - We will have done everything we can.
Support us already wavering for lockdown's. Some serious effort will need to be put into making the NHS more resilient.
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PLC
22/01/2021 11:37:54 0 1
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agree see my comments
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22/01/2021 14:25:25 0 0
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agreed.
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22/01/2021 11:37:55 0 3
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2025 this is written to continue to in the 2010 Rocker fella report in the ‘lockstep’ scenario which seems to be playing out. With the power and influence these people have over the world it seems likely to be true.
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22/01/2021 11:20:09 40 20
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Unfortunately there are still too many unknowns lurking, some of which we probably haven't been told about. Boris has been lambasted throughout for being too optimistic, resulting in a string of false promises. To keep doing that is going to affect mental health as much, if not more than the lockdown itself.
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22/01/2021 11:38:08 44 12
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I agree, if they just said we'll look into opening in April from the off, I think it would have been better for mental health as opposed to the constant teases of it being one date, then moved again etc. Building expectations up then dashing them
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22/01/2021 11:35:55 5 5
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Once it gets to a lower level we need to live with coronavirus the same as the flu. It is a risk in the same way as crossing a road or having a heart attack. Some individuals seem happy to be in permanent lockdown. Really ? Once we get to spring need to get back out there as lockdown not good for anyone.
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PLC
22/01/2021 11:38:14 1 0
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see my comments
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22/01/2021 11:38:24 5 3
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This report doesn't mention is that a growing section of the population now have antibodies, add that to the growing number being vaccinated and soon the virus will have no place to go
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22/01/2021 11:53:09 1 1
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I dearly hope your primary school thinking is correct...I really do.
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22/01/2021 11:13:00 43 27
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Just had a post removed for calling the government restrictions 'illegal and immoral' ... and for suggesting people think for themselves! Come on people...wake up...the BBC regard thinking for yourselves a crime.
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22/01/2021 11:38:33 12 7
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The irony of all these Covidiots claiming we need to 'think for ourselves'. Yet displaying a level of ignorance and denial that can only be wondered at!
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23/01/2021 00:01:58 1 0
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Covidiots? You would have been happier and more useful back in the 1940s on the European mainland. They loved name calling, social control and government compliance!
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22/01/2021 11:29:22 19 4
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'In the end, it is going to come down to what society is willing to tolerate'. I don't recall at any stage of the decision process being asked that question. In the summer when Covid took a holiday we were still living under restrictions. Tbh the vaccine is the game changer so this summer should/has to be a different story but remember Boris/SAGE still have 4 years so don't hold your breath .
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22/01/2021 11:39:10 7 5
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This summer will not be much different to last summer, but it will feel better due to contrast with current situation. autumn should be a lot better than last autumn though
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22/01/2021 11:28:12 6 2
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Also, the more virus that is out in the population, the more likely it is that we'll have a problematic mutation to deal with.
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22/01/2021 11:39:29 4 1
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Not necessarily. A relatively mild strain that is highly transmissible could spread through the population quickly, but not cause major problems (like the common cold). Then lots of people would have developed some natural resistance if a more deadly strain subsequently appeared.
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23/01/2021 01:22:21 0 0
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Not necessarily! Oh ok, let’s chance it then and have a gamble on whether we get something much worse. Thankfully someone like you isn’t in power.
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22/01/2021 11:29:22 19 4
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'In the end, it is going to come down to what society is willing to tolerate'. I don't recall at any stage of the decision process being asked that question. In the summer when Covid took a holiday we were still living under restrictions. Tbh the vaccine is the game changer so this summer should/has to be a different story but remember Boris/SAGE still have 4 years so don't hold your breath .
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22/01/2021 11:40:01 1 1
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Just what I said.The Gov think ifthey dont tell us about their exit strategy we will just rumble along and get used to the country being closed while people's livelihoods are being thrown on the scrapheap.Im sick of the media who only report doom and gloom.People recover from Covid,I know some who have,its not an instant death sentence like the media portrays.
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23/01/2021 21:48:26 0 0
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NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE VIRUS WILL DO NEXT and that has been told to us since C-19 and before about viruses - they mutate and alter. To the selfish who carry on regardless, I am have utter contempt. Civil liberties apply to all of us and I want to keep breathing. The selfish forget that their actions have taken away the civil liberties of those who have died, and those left with long Covid.
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Ray
22/01/2021 11:12:00 0 0
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Big reasons for why the vaccine is 'only' 90 % effective. It is 100% effective in stopping deaths though. So if the 10% catch Covid while vaccinated the outcome is much more favourable. Those tests you propose are great but the real world is quicker and that scenario is certainly going to occur its just a matter of observing it and seeing what happens.
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22/01/2021 11:40:16 2 0
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We don't know that the Vaccine is a 100% effective at stopping deaths; in the Phase 3 trial nobody died with the Vaccine but only a handful caught COVID
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22/01/2021 11:23:25 21 9
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Feel very strongly the government is not following the rules on Pfizer vaccine should be three weeks as the trials were done care home residents still dying after first vaccine covid-19 still sweeping through homes because they never had the second jab in 3 weeks they keep telling everyone one else to follow the rules why don't they
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22/01/2021 11:40:42 2 1
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It was a no brainer at the time to get it out to more people. They were working of scientific advice that the first jab would provide >70% protection.

1m with > 80% vs. 0.5m with >90% protection -

The only reason this is out for debate again is that these levels of protection may not be quite so high - but this is still by no means definitive.
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22/01/2021 12:04:34 4 2
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Which proves Maureen's point the vaccine was developed as 1 dose then 21 days later 2nd dose....do as it say on the tim or get bad results.. The English government changed the rules to suit themselves as the have made a pigs ear of their handling of the pandemic one if not the worse death rate on the planet.
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PLC
22/01/2021 11:34:44 2 1
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Build more hospitals asap as this and other coronavirus infections will not go away. Mitigation by whatever means is critical but levels of sickness will always be with us sadly.....
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22/01/2021 11:40:44 4 0
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More nurses,doctors and healthcare assistants will be required and these take at least three years to come into the system.
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22/01/2021 11:26:28 6 6
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You don't have the right to break the law and call it thinking for yourself. Your not a Virologist, you don't know better.
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22/01/2021 11:41:21 3 1
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You don't need to be a virologist to understand job losses, economics, mental health, increased non-covid deaths, failed businesses, the "ignored" self-employed, loneliness, and all the other plagues heaped upon us by the reaction to this epidemic.
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22/01/2021 11:27:49 207 49
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A problem here is that the price of the pandemic is being calculated using a limited range of metrics; mainly NHS bed space and deaths of bluntly, predominantly the elderly. There is very little calculation of the cost this is having in less tangible ways. This includes mental health, the impact on our children, the impact on our families and our basic freedoms. Society will soon say NO MORE
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22/01/2021 11:41:37 103 116
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Quite right.Im really surprised we have not seen more civil unrest as people come to realise the Gov seem to have got used to the power over our lives.Its becoming clear that they areprepared to let the whole country go into freefall as they have tunnel vision and cannot accept that lockdowns DO NOT WORK.
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22/01/2021 12:41:49 21 8
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So naive. This drags on because we have a government far too slow to react & ends up doing neither one thing or another. Plus we have a large number of population, perhaps a majority, who just don't give a flying f.... That is why these, frankly weak, attempts at lockdown don't really work. This isn't a proper lockdown & so unfortunately the end game will be pushed back for quite a while yet.
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22/01/2021 13:27:50 15 11
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100% Judy, I can't believe that people of this country have just rolled over and accepted anything and everything that this Govt have removed from us. Let's be honest a small minority albeit terrible when peoples lives are lost, it does not mean that we should send our economy in a downward spin with the loss of job, livelyhoods, not to mention health issues, stress, depression and suicide.
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22/01/2021 13:36:34 20 7
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So if lockdowns don't work why do we have a drop in cases and deaths when they are imposed? There is no justification or evidence for your remark - it just lies or lunacy or maybe even both
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22/01/2021 15:18:41 18 7
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A truly irresponsible post. The reason we are in this situation is a large number of people appear incapable of thinking of anyone except themselves. The emergency services have far better things to do than police mindless demonstrations. And, if lockdowns don’t work how come the R number has reduced?
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22/01/2021 16:26:41 4 0
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actually they work to lower cases and hospital admissions... and deaths... and serious illness, but that's all they do.
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22/01/2021 17:19:26 6 1
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Lockdowns DO WORK (have you noticed the infection rates have started to level off? - don't let facts get in the way of your prejudice).
23/01/2021 09:06:23 1 0
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Lockdowns worked in China..
23/01/2021 09:35:35 1 0
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Have you seen the numbers are coming down?
I guess you’d be storming the Capital building as well..!!??
23/01/2021 10:31:01 1 0
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Have you been talking to Donald Trump? Trying to incite others with no substance or reality backing your statements, other than you can’t do exactly what you normally do and want to criticise the government for not having a concrete timetable for everything (Shane the virus won’t cooperate).
23/01/2021 12:05:57 1 0
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Take a look at China
Keep some perspective
23/01/2021 17:28:42 0 0
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Civil unrest,that confirms it.your a trump supporter.i had you sussed from your first post.lockdowns DO WORK.how hard is this to understand—we are where we are now because boris said have a good old knees up at Christmas.he was pressured into that rubbish decision by the whinging brigade of which I assume you are a field marshal.
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22/01/2021 11:23:40 4 3
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This is a very useful article, but there are additional considerations. For one, 'opening up' results in greater spread of the new variant to other countries with poorer healthcare.

Also Gupta lab is suggesting about half of over 80s don't have effective antibodies (IgG) three weeks after first jab.

We should try to use vaccination to _contain_, together with support to test, trace and isolate.
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22/01/2021 11:43:05 0 0
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Test and trace is the biggest waste of money ever and those millions should have been given to NHS so we can get out of this mess. The virus is here to stay and we dont shut the country down when flu season comes round.The cure is worse than the disease.