Stokes and Archer return for India tour
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All-rounder Ben Stokes and fast bowler Jofra Archer return to the England squad for the first two Tests of the tour of India.
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Blimey,if Wood gets any more rest he’ll be a sleeping partner in the squad. Bairstow needs to play,he’s a player who thrives on being under pressure.
Thrives under pressure, switches off when not. Don't mind them resting him if it means he scores runs when he comes back in but his inconsistency when consistently selected was certainly an issue.
I think we need to ask Bairstow. He has "bubbled " along for some time now. He, I imagine would simply like to get home for a bit.
The lad as been under biosecure living conditions since last summer, give him a break it must be mentally heavy, I have only had three weeks of it and it is doing my head in...
So much bubble time must be very, very tiring. The mental side of cricket is a huge deal and the Covid precautions must have a detrimental effect. I'm stir crazy being cooped up at home, so what those guys must be feeling like is anyone's guess.
Bairstow doesn't need resting. Also one of our best players of spin. Very strange.
Stupid. Who knows why his face doesn’t fit but it clearly doesn’t as this defies logic on pure cricketing grounds
Personally not sure he should be in the Test team during such an important T20 year. I think his place in the Sri Lanka team was very much a stop gap.
Sadly Bairstow’s face does not fit.
He has been treated very badly , yet is one of the most successful players in India.
He has been treated very badly , yet is one of the most successful players in India.
One decent game doesn't make up for years of poor performances. India also have much better pace options than Sri Lanka, which is what he struggles at.
Bairstow has not been supported. Seems he’s been cast aside. Prefer to see him in the side than Sibley
He certainly doesn't but I wonder whether its more to do with how he is coping with living in a secure bubble. On interview this week he
was saying how very difficult he is finding it. Just a thought.
was saying how very difficult he is finding it. Just a thought.
Quite agree with this Matthew. What a strange decision to rest 3 main players for the first half of the tour. Surely we want our best players available for all matches?
I like Bairstow, he’s a good cricketer, but he chose to focus on his white ball game and it affected his Test performances. He looks hungrier now and I think will be back after his break. Pope and Lawrence will provide competition and Buttler is the better keeper, so good problem to have. 3 might be a good spot for him with Burns or Sibley missing out.
Bairstow should be in the ODI and T20 team but not in the test team. He does not have the patience and discipline required. He sells his wicket cheaply
And he is a wicketkeeper
Bairstow made a real point of having been in a bio-secure bubble for most of the summer and then into this month when he was interviewed after the 1st test. It's not just about being rested from games but being allowed to see his family and spend time outside of a hotel. I know many will say that's a life of luxury but he genuinely looked pained when talking about it.
Strange timing, hours before a series decider in which all three 'rested' players will play.
These decisions have been made long before today I would hope but with the ECB you just never know lol
Does this mean Root and Stokes could rest themselves for tests three and four?
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Ridiculous to “rest” Johnny Bairstow who thrives on playing and always gives 110% - in and out strategy is counter productive to top batsmen - and best keeper.
Spot on as we will never know how the Selectors work.
Yes it was preplanned for the players whom missed this Series would be back in too.
Yes it was preplanned for the players whom missed this Series would be back in too.
Perhaps someone can explain why there needs to be a selected squad while also taking 6 reserves? Why not just a squad including all of them? If a home team need a new player during a series they just select one from everyone in the country, (ie They are not limited to a certain list of players) so what's the difference ?
Probably so they don't have to pay them as much! Needed one of the leg spinners in the main squad though!
Contract and money probably
In this case I think the reserves are kept separate from the 'bubble' in case of a Covid outbreak in the main squad.
You only need to look at what happened to the India squad on the tour of Australia to answer your question. Net bowlers have to come from England's own bubble etc. replacements cannot be flown out as and when must also come from the bubble
Home countries ARE limited to cricketers in the bubble. You just can't pick anyone without them doing the quarantine before entering the bubble. For example Australia had 5 players only to choose from outside of their team in the recent series against India. They didn't use them (they should have), but could not pick from outside that bubble.
Does butler never get a rest , chance for foakes to shine OR are they scared that he will be better than him
He is clearly a better 'keeper ... but remember that Alan Knott was preferred to Bob Taylor; Alec Stewart to Jack Russell (or any number of good 'keepers) so it's nothing new. You can't really count up the costs of missed chances to get a proper assessment, either.
They've previously said Buttler will be rested for 3rd and 4th Tests. No Pressure on poor Foakes having not played for over a year?? Would have made sense for him to play at least one game against SL?
Maybe they've updated it since you read it, but in this very article it says Buttler will fly home after the 1st test
A keeper has to be able to bat these days and Foakes's first class numbers stack up. So give him a chance I say.
Don't understand why Foakes isn't getting a go in this test, or more sensibly if Buttler is definitely playing in the 1st test in India Foakes should have played 1st against Sri Lanka and Buttler the 2nd v SR and 1st in India
I don't understand why Foakes doesn't get picked. He's the better gloveman and averages 40+ with the bat overseas. No brainer to pick him over the lesser-keepers who average mid-30...
Any chance of terrestrial TV showing at least the daily highlights for us peasants who refuse/cannot afford to cough up ridiculous amounts to satellite stations? No, probably not.
Sky's only £25 a month. Compared to the license tax (essentially no live sport and endless identity politics) it's a bargain
Sky didn't even pick this series up - Who usually put out a highlights package at the end of the days' play.
Believe Disney + and Hotstar have the UK rights (more monthly subscriptions) with 2 games each (again, odd). No idea what kind of highlights they will release for free, if at all.
Believe Disney + and Hotstar have the UK rights (more monthly subscriptions) with 2 games each (again, odd). No idea what kind of highlights they will release for free, if at all.
You can often get the highlights on 'You Tube' if you look around. I did for this last Test v Sri Lanka and last away series v South Africa.
How I miss TV cricket. Sky may have put money in but they must get more out.
Even if I could afford pay per view I refuse to be held over a barrel. I can live without my cricket religion on TV, I cannot live without keeping a roof over the families head and feeding/clothing them. Sadly that is the stark reality many cricket lovers face. No longer an elitist sport? As far as Sky is concerned it is.
Even if I could afford pay per view I refuse to be held over a barrel. I can live without my cricket religion on TV, I cannot live without keeping a roof over the families head and feeding/clothing them. Sadly that is the stark reality many cricket lovers face. No longer an elitist sport? As far as Sky is concerned it is.
Get yourself a NOW TV box - costs less than £20 last time i looked - normally come with loads of free passes - can watch a test match for less than £10! - hardly a fortune. Oh and "satellite stations" - no such thing anymore!
Guys download BCCI app, they put all the highlights every day.
The ECB YouTube channel and website provide neat highlights packages for each day. You can choose between a 5 minute or 15 minute version in most instances. I believe Sky add bits and pieces on YouTube too.
Sure, it's not the full Channel 5 style highlights, but it's good enough to keep me entertained.
Sure, it's not the full Channel 5 style highlights, but it's good enough to keep me entertained.
Not on the bbc. They’d rather put £150M towards aggressive pursuit of diversity targets.
you can pay £25 a month fror Now TV and watch Premier League, Rugby as well, a NOWTV stick for your HDMI costs £25. I have attended many cricket matches and would be in India apart from covid and the average fan isn't a single parent on benefits using a food bank but someone who can put £25 worth of petrol in their car or spend it on a meal without wincing.
I would welcome terrestrial daily highlights but the argument about cost is long gone. No longer is a dish required and a temporary month long payment costs no more than a couple of pints of beer or for posher people smashed avocado on toast. Hardly a ridiculous cost. I also understand refusal...as sky sports is a Murdoch enterprise. He is not on everyone's menu.
Quite agree. TMS is great, but an hour's highlights would be brilliant.
You can always find highlights somewhere on YouTube
Moeen again? Bairstow must have upset someone in the hierarchy
Agree entirely. Can anyone honestly say he is a much better bowler than Root who gives us a third spinner ? And Root can bat a bit.
shorely this test series should not go ahead with so many covid cases in al country why does it need to go head
Is English your third language or did you type after a few beers?
Bairstow's average across 2018 and 2019 was 24. Why people then think that 1 half decent game against a poor SL means he deserves a place in the side is beyond me.
We're finally building a good batting unit with high potential, and they need to be tested in a very difficult setting like India.
Why throw that all away for someone who's proven time and time again that he's not good enough?
We're finally building a good batting unit with high potential, and they need to be tested in a very difficult setting like India.
Why throw that all away for someone who's proven time and time again that he's not good enough?
He has a test batting average of 35 - Who in the side has higher exactly?
JB has batted everywhere from 1-7. In test matches an attacking player like him needs to be 5 or 6 only 7 if used as wicketkeeper. He is probably our best outfielder bar stokes too
Look back over the years. There is a long history of Yorkshire players being overlooked for test matches. Tend to speak their minds which is not popular at Lords!
Absolutely agree with your comment. He's been messed about so much and suffered a loss.of form . Came back and we saw a glimpse of the old YJB
Bairstow shouldn't be anywhere near the test team based on his recent record.
Any chance of terrestrial TV showing at least the daily highlights for us peasants who refuse/cannot afford to cough up ridiculous amounts to satellite stations? No, probably not.
SKY don't show it! Its on BT! SKY used to give highlights to C4! BT don't give any highlight's of Champion's league, SKY used to let ITV show games on Tuesdays ! BT nothing
Rest and rotation is expected this year (seems those who also played in the IPL (Curran, Stokes, Bairstow, Archer)) were given the initial rest period. The India home series and the Ashes will take priority this year.
Food for thought:
I see that management (vicariously, selectors) are not interested in investing in the future. They strangely persist in the retention of the old rather than the young. Such shortsightedness will almost certainly backfire.
As we have just witnessed in the Border-Gavaskar series, India gambled on youth and it paid off admirably. Why is England looking in the opposite direction?
I see that management (vicariously, selectors) are not interested in investing in the future. They strangely persist in the retention of the old rather than the young. Such shortsightedness will almost certainly backfire.
As we have just witnessed in the Border-Gavaskar series, India gambled on youth and it paid off admirably. Why is England looking in the opposite direction?
Hardly...
Lawrence, Crawley, Curran, Bess, Pope, Mahmood, Crane, Bracey and Virdi are all under the age of 24. Parkinson is 24 and both Archer and Sibley are 25.
Lawrence, Crawley, Curran, Bess, Pope, Mahmood, Crane, Bracey and Virdi are all under the age of 24. Parkinson is 24 and both Archer and Sibley are 25.
Have you considered the inclusion of Crawley (22), Sibley (25), Curran (22), Bess (23), Archer (25), Lawrence (23) in recent Test squads? Also the reserves for this India squad have an average age of 23.
Don't think India gambled on youth - it was forced on them by injury.
Burns, Sibley, Crawley, Pope, Bess, Stone, Curran, Archer are hardly ancient.
In the England squad named in the article above, only Broad, Anderson, Woakes and Moeen are actually over the age of 30. In the India team that beat Australia in the last Test: Rohit (33), Pujara (32), Rahane (32). Saini is 28, Thakur is 29, etc. So I am not really sure what you are on about, to be perfectly honest.
Ben Foakes should have been playing for England for such a long time
Give it a rest. Buttler was superb in the last game (which was won with ease) and yet people still bang on about Foakes.
Unfortunately Ed Smith has his favourites and performance doesn’t really come into selection
If we had a top six who consistently got runs, it would allow for a specialist keeper who would not necessarily be relied upon to prop up an inconsistent and wobbly top six. Buttler has profited from this with the selectors seemingly willing to forgive his lesser keeper skills in light of what he can offer with the bat. His keeping is improving though.
That old northern shoulder chip rearing its ugly head again!!
Bairstow is pretty lucky to get selected at all given his test record since 2018. 'long history of Yorkshire players being overlooked for tests'.....to whom do you refer? BTW Root is from....Yorkshire, as are Bess and Bairstow. Ballance has had loads of chances; Lyth ditto. Yorkshire has been providing a good core of the England team for about 140 years :)
Does butler never get a rest , chance for foakes to shine OR are they scared that he will be better than him
Knott was at least as good a keeper as Taylor, and probably better up at the stumps. False comparison with Stewart v Russell tbh.
Alan Knott?! Are you sure? To quote Wikipedia: "... regarded as one of the greatest wicketkeepers to ever play the game."
I think a better analogy would be Matt Prior v Chris Read. The arguments were basically the same. Read was clearly the better keeper, but other than that all he did was lengthen the tail. Who remembers “that ball” v NZ?
Put it this way. It’s about expectations. If Buttler doesn’t score runs then it’s regarded as a disappointment, if Foakes does it’s regarded as a bonus. Why is that?
Put it this way. It’s about expectations. If Buttler doesn’t score runs then it’s regarded as a disappointment, if Foakes does it’s regarded as a bonus. Why is that?
Knott was the best keeper I have seen in 60 years of watching cricket and also a good bat.Stewart not quite as good a keeper as Russell but pretty good none the less, he certainly didn't miss much.
Knotty is one of the all time greats though I accept him and Taylor was a bit like the Clemence & Shilton argument. Knott was also a far superior batsmen and very often got his runs when England were 5 down for not many.
Though Bob Taylor was technically better than Knott. Knott had a spark of genius and took impossible catches. He was the best England ever had. Stewart vs Russell was definitely counter productive as we needed Stewart runs at the top of the order and Russell was a good enough late order batter.
if JB is going home to be able to see family and have a bit of a break then all well and good, he's been full on for a good few months.
If is the key and sure will happen as no White ball Franchise cricket happening is there unless in the Caribbean.
Does butler never get a rest , chance for foakes to shine OR are they scared that he will be better than him
Why do players need to rest, they should be fit to play whenever. Trueman, Jackson, never rested,check how many overs they bowled in a season. Resting means selectors dont have to make unpopular decisions
Pointlesw comparison. Trueman bowled all those overs in county cricket on uncovered pitches. It’s not the same as being expected to be 100% in every game which are mostly played on roads. Also, for every trueman there will be many Tysons who were forced to retire early through injury.
Seems like a great strategy ????? Let’s rest the in form no.3 who is one of our best players of spin for the first 2 tests in India, wait until we’re behind in the series and then bring him back in and expect him to magically perform. Oh, and let’s make that announcement on the eve of a test match where we expect him to perform with a clear and focused mind. What absolute nonsense.
Bairstow will have known this before he even set off for Sri Lanka. Not saying it’s the right call but it shouldn’t be a distraction for him. Not actually convinced he makes it into the side with the returning players.
In form? He did alright against a poor Sri Lanka team, and ran his captain out. All this after a few years of very poor red ball performances.
Moeen again? Bairstow must have upset someone in the hierarchy
Silverwood was speaking highly about Stone, who’s been really unlucky with injuries. He’s been picked for India but overlooked for this SL Test which we should win and would have given him experience of both Test cricket and different conditions.
Wood hardly set the world alight in the first Test and is rested for the first two in India. I don’t understand this complete lack of joined-up thinking
Wood hardly set the world alight in the first Test and is rested for the first two in India. I don’t understand this complete lack of joined-up thinking
Yup, thought a swap of Curran & Wood for Woakes and Stone was a given as a warm up for India
Wood rarely takes wickets and never wins a game for England. Nice guy and offers pace - but not test class.
Bairstow's average across 2018 and 2019 was 24. Why people then think that 1 half decent game against a poor SL means he deserves a place in the side is beyond me.
We're finally building a good batting unit with high potential, and they need to be tested in a very difficult setting like India.
Why throw that all away for someone who's proven time and time again that he's not good enough?
We're finally building a good batting unit with high potential, and they need to be tested in a very difficult setting like India.
Why throw that all away for someone who's proven time and time again that he's not good enough?
His average is 35 because of one year in 2016 where he averaged 58, which is increasingly looking like a massive outlier given every other year he's averaged <35.
Take that year out and he averages 28 across 54 tests which is utter garbage.
Would take Crawley at 3 or Pope, Lawrence and Foakes in the middle order over him any day.
Take that year out and he averages 28 across 54 tests which is utter garbage.
Would take Crawley at 3 or Pope, Lawrence and Foakes in the middle order over him any day.
Burns, Crawley, Pope, Root, Stokes, Lawrence
Seems like a great strategy ????? Let’s rest the in form no.3 who is one of our best players of spin for the first 2 tests in India, wait until we’re behind in the series and then bring him back in and expect him to magically perform. Oh, and let’s make that announcement on the eve of a test match where we expect him to perform with a clear and focused mind. What absolute nonsense.
The hierarchy clearly have confidence in Crawley, Sibley and Burns as our top 3 moving forward. It will be interesting to see after away and home series against India whether they will be 1, 2, and 3 for the first test Down Under.
I doubt it and I hope not. I can’t see Sibley or Burns doing well in Oz. That said not sure who would be better.
They’ll do fine against India’s mediums. The real challenge will be down under against genuine pace, rhythm and bounce.
Crawley will be OK against the Aussies but not sure who will partner him, it won;; not ne Sibley or Burns.
Sibley Scored a ton over in Aus for England lions against a very strong Aus A side not so long ago.. Same tour where a certain Lawrence also produced some match winning innings
Food for thought:
I see that management (vicariously, selectors) are not interested in investing in the future. They strangely persist in the retention of the old rather than the young. Such shortsightedness will almost certainly backfire.
As we have just witnessed in the Border-Gavaskar series, India gambled on youth and it paid off admirably. Why is England looking in the opposite direction?
I see that management (vicariously, selectors) are not interested in investing in the future. They strangely persist in the retention of the old rather than the young. Such shortsightedness will almost certainly backfire.
As we have just witnessed in the Border-Gavaskar series, India gambled on youth and it paid off admirably. Why is England looking in the opposite direction?
Why do cricketers have to rest? Series are played with plenty of gap between one another. They rest much more than footballer, who play weekly, twice weekly or even thrice!
Because they are living in a bubble away from their families and with no human contact beyond their teammates.
I think it’s less a rest from the physicalities (although that may apply to a couple of the oldies!) and more a rest from the touring environment.
When they’re on tour they’re away from home and family, and now in these bio secure bubbles I think they are pretty much stuck in hotels 24/7. I can understand why you’d need a break from that for your mental health and to stay on top of your game.
When they’re on tour they’re away from home and family, and now in these bio secure bubbles I think they are pretty much stuck in hotels 24/7. I can understand why you’d need a break from that for your mental health and to stay on top of your game.
I think it’s less a rest from the physicalities (although that may apply to a couple of the oldies!) and more a rest from the touring environment.
When they’re on tour they’re away from home and family, and now in these bio secure bubbles I think they are pretty much stuck in hotels 24/7. I can understand why you’d need a break from that for your mental health and to stay on top of your game.
When they’re on tour they’re away from home and family, and now in these bio secure bubbles I think they are pretty much stuck in hotels 24/7. I can understand why you’d need a break from that for your mental health and to stay on top of your game.
7 hours each day 5 days each match. Football 100mins per match 2 matches per week all for 40 to 350 thousand per week.
Have you played this religion? Soccer matches last 90 minutes+. The concentration in the field uses mental energy, yes not as much running as the big round ball kickers! Footie players do not use the grey matter so much.
There are lots of differences between the sports. Injuries occur in both and are more frequent the longer the sport!
There are lots of differences between the sports. Injuries occur in both and are more frequent the longer the sport!
Why do players need to rest, they should be fit to play whenever. Trueman, Jackson, never rested,check how many overs they bowled in a season. Resting means selectors dont have to make unpopular decisions
Why do players need to rest, they should be fit to play whenever. Trueman, Jackson, never rested,check how many overs they bowled in a season. Resting means selectors dont have to make unpopular decisions
Always seems odd that the best best Counties in terms of Championship results, Essex and Somerset, have so little representation in the squad.
That's why they are doing so well and have posted this before hence why Warwickshire had that wonderful spell back in the Mid 90's because of this.
Maybe they are best BECAUSE they have little representation. No team unrest, players playing regularly, not having their best players buggering off to play internationals...
It's possibly why when these players rarely play for their counties because they play for England/overseas t20s etc so much, look at Stokes and Durham, he's a Durham player in name only really nowadays
The teams that win the Championship often don't have many players with England Central Contracts. The best players rarely play in that competition. It would be interesting to see who would win if all players played a full season, but then the ECB would be accused of burning out bowlers etc.
Born 1954 the word always was...if Yorkshire are strong England are strong
If Yorkshire were able to play all their best players without England duty, we'd have a significantly stronger county championship team. Root, Bairstow, Rashid, Willey, Boycott etc.
Does butler never get a rest , chance for foakes to shine OR are they scared that he will be better than him
Butler is Smith's mate, nothing to do with being a good keeper which he clearly isn't and Foakes has a better batting average.
Err - I think he's talking about how the vastly superior gloveman, Foakes, should already have been behind the stumps while Buttler was crap both behind and in front of the stumps for a couple of years - averaging just 30 in that time and endless dropped catches/missed stumpings - not the last game...
I don't think a brief spell of not being so crap undoes all of his poor past record.
I don't think a brief spell of not being so crap undoes all of his poor past record.
People bang on about it because Foakes is a much better keeper. England have long shot themselves in the foot by stressing a keeper's ability to bat. Most keepers these days are decent bats, but a batsman keeper who drops someone on 15, who then goes on to make a century, in effect has to score 85 before they are in credit. The best gloveman should always be picked.
Because he's consistently the best keeper.
One Test doesn't prove a great deal.
One Test doesn't prove a great deal.
In the last game maybe. Neither Joss or Bairstow are test class wicketkeepers. I dont believe Buttler keeps for his county, This is Test Cricket an areana for specialits,. You obviously never grew up watching Alan Knott or Jack Russell
Foakes is in another league as a keeper but the popular press find any reason to compliment Jos, I’m not anti Buttler at all, but as a keeper of the past I love a proper skilled glove man
Look back over the years. There is a long history of Yorkshire players being overlooked for test matches. Tend to speak their minds which is not popular at Lords!
Look back over the years. There is a long history of Yorkshire players being overlooked for test matches. Tend to speak their minds which is not popular at Lords!
Bairstow is pretty lucky to get selected at all given his test record since 2018. 'long history of Yorkshire players being overlooked for tests'.....to whom do you refer? BTW Root is from....Yorkshire, as are Bess and Bairstow. Ballance has had loads of chances; Lyth ditto. Yorkshire has been providing a good core of the England team for about 140 years :)
Absolutely agree with your comment. He's been messed about so much and suffered a loss.of form . Came back and we saw a glimpse of the old YJB
Food for thought:
I see that management (vicariously, selectors) are not interested in investing in the future. They strangely persist in the retention of the old rather than the young. Such shortsightedness will almost certainly backfire.
As we have just witnessed in the Border-Gavaskar series, India gambled on youth and it paid off admirably. Why is England looking in the opposite direction?
I see that management (vicariously, selectors) are not interested in investing in the future. They strangely persist in the retention of the old rather than the young. Such shortsightedness will almost certainly backfire.
As we have just witnessed in the Border-Gavaskar series, India gambled on youth and it paid off admirably. Why is England looking in the opposite direction?
Anderson, Ali, and Broad, specifically.
We do better with fiery redheads!
His average is 35 because of one year in 2016 where he averaged 58, which is increasingly looking like a massive outlier given every other year he's averaged <35.
Take that year out and he averages 28 across 54 tests which is utter garbage.
Would take Crawley at 3 or Pope, Lawrence and Foakes in the middle order over him any day.
Take that year out and he averages 28 across 54 tests which is utter garbage.
Would take Crawley at 3 or Pope, Lawrence and Foakes in the middle order over him any day.
Food for thought:
I see that management (vicariously, selectors) are not interested in investing in the future. They strangely persist in the retention of the old rather than the young. Such shortsightedness will almost certainly backfire.
As we have just witnessed in the Border-Gavaskar series, India gambled on youth and it paid off admirably. Why is England looking in the opposite direction?
I see that management (vicariously, selectors) are not interested in investing in the future. They strangely persist in the retention of the old rather than the young. Such shortsightedness will almost certainly backfire.
As we have just witnessed in the Border-Gavaskar series, India gambled on youth and it paid off admirably. Why is England looking in the opposite direction?
You are essentially agreeing with me, having seen the results.
He is clearly a better 'keeper ... but remember that Alan Knott was preferred to Bob Taylor; Alec Stewart to Jack Russell (or any number of good 'keepers) so it's nothing new. You can't really count up the costs of missed chances to get a proper assessment, either.
Seems like a great strategy ????? Let’s rest the in form no.3 who is one of our best players of spin for the first 2 tests in India, wait until we’re behind in the series and then bring him back in and expect him to magically perform. Oh, and let’s make that announcement on the eve of a test match where we expect him to perform with a clear and focused mind. What absolute nonsense.
I think it’s less a rest from the physicalities (although that may apply to a couple of the oldies!) and more a rest from the touring environment.
When they’re on tour they’re away from home and family, and now in these bio secure bubbles I think they are pretty much stuck in hotels 24/7. I can understand why you’d need a break from that for your mental health and to stay on top of your game.
When they’re on tour they’re away from home and family, and now in these bio secure bubbles I think they are pretty much stuck in hotels 24/7. I can understand why you’d need a break from that for your mental health and to stay on top of your game.
I think it’s less a rest from the physicalities (although that may apply to a couple of the oldies!) and more a rest from the touring environment.
When they’re on tour they’re away from home and family, and now in these bio secure bubbles I think they are pretty much stuck in hotels 24/7. I can understand why you’d need a break from that for your mental health and to stay on top of your game.
When they’re on tour they’re away from home and family, and now in these bio secure bubbles I think they are pretty much stuck in hotels 24/7. I can understand why you’d need a break from that for your mental health and to stay on top of your game.
Think you need it too ... ??.
Ye this new reply system can be misleading.
Yes it is a fair comment as their partners are not allowed to travel so guess 3-4 months out of the loop is needed.
Ye this new reply system can be misleading.
Yes it is a fair comment as their partners are not allowed to travel so guess 3-4 months out of the loop is needed.
That of course, is not the case. In Paul Smith 90s Warwickshire had the best, and quickest, English bowler of his generation. Just ask Allan Donald. They had the world’s best bowler (AD), batsman (Lara), fielder (TP), and most inventive skip (DR). Throw in the likes of Ostler, Neil Smith, Twose, Piper, Small etc and the team oozed international quality.
Any chance of terrestrial TV showing at least the daily highlights for us peasants who refuse/cannot afford to cough up ridiculous amounts to satellite stations? No, probably not.
Food for thought:
I see that management (vicariously, selectors) are not interested in investing in the future. They strangely persist in the retention of the old rather than the young. Such shortsightedness will almost certainly backfire.
As we have just witnessed in the Border-Gavaskar series, India gambled on youth and it paid off admirably. Why is England looking in the opposite direction?
I see that management (vicariously, selectors) are not interested in investing in the future. They strangely persist in the retention of the old rather than the young. Such shortsightedness will almost certainly backfire.
As we have just witnessed in the Border-Gavaskar series, India gambled on youth and it paid off admirably. Why is England looking in the opposite direction?
Absolutely agree with your comment. He's been messed about so much and suffered a loss.of form . Came back and we saw a glimpse of the old YJB
Have you considered the inclusion of Crawley (22), Sibley (25), Curran (22), Bess (23), Archer (25), Lawrence (23) in recent Test squads? Also the reserves for this India squad have an average age of 23.
Weird that Buttler will play just the 1st Test. Logically he'd play both in the first half of the series, or go home now
Yes would have been logical for Foakes to play and just send Buttler home.
Something is going on with Buttler as he had to take some down time in the summer.
As we know who knows what the Selectors philosophies are.
Something is going on with Buttler as he had to take some down time in the summer.
As we know who knows what the Selectors philosophies are.
These decisions have been made long before today I would hope but with the ECB you just never know lol
The hierarchy clearly have confidence in Crawley, Sibley and Burns as our top 3 moving forward. It will be interesting to see after away and home series against India whether they will be 1, 2, and 3 for the first test Down Under.
Burns maybe, but Sibley posted a 100 there fore England lions not so long ago against a good Aus A team. Think Sibley is well suited to Aus, building long innings and putting miles into bowlers legs. Exactly what's needed!
Perhaps it would be opportune to have a look at their records in Grade Cricket in Oz as a guide. RB has had at least two winters there over the last 5 years. Don't know about DS.
Silverwood was speaking highly about Stone, who’s been really unlucky with injuries. He’s been picked for India but overlooked for this SL Test which we should win and would have given him experience of both Test cricket and different conditions.
Wood hardly set the world alight in the first Test and is rested for the first two in India. I don’t understand this complete lack of joined-up thinking
Wood hardly set the world alight in the first Test and is rested for the first two in India. I don’t understand this complete lack of joined-up thinking
Don't think India gambled on youth - it was forced on them by injury.
@BBC Sport - the first two tests are in Chennai, not Ahmedabad.
Food for thought:
I see that management (vicariously, selectors) are not interested in investing in the future. They strangely persist in the retention of the old rather than the young. Such shortsightedness will almost certainly backfire.
As we have just witnessed in the Border-Gavaskar series, India gambled on youth and it paid off admirably. Why is England looking in the opposite direction?
I see that management (vicariously, selectors) are not interested in investing in the future. They strangely persist in the retention of the old rather than the young. Such shortsightedness will almost certainly backfire.
As we have just witnessed in the Border-Gavaskar series, India gambled on youth and it paid off admirably. Why is England looking in the opposite direction?
In the England squad named in the article above, only Broad, Anderson, Woakes and Moeen are actually over the age of 30. In the India team that beat Australia in the last Test: Rohit (33), Pujara (32), Rahane (32). Saini is 28, Thakur is 29, etc. So I am not really sure what you are on about, to be perfectly honest.
Resting Wood and Curran I can understand, because they are pretty ineffective on Asian pitches. Bairstow, on the other hand, has played hardly any Test cricket for two years, and this is a daft decision with perhaps some other hidden reason.
Well Bairstow has played 11 Tests v India, and he averages 32.83. I imagine if he was picked, it would be as a batsman and not a wicketkeeper. By the way, Buttler averages 43.93 with the bat v India, also from 11 Tests. Do you still think there is a 'hidden reason'?
That's why they are doing so well and have posted this before hence why Warwickshire had that wonderful spell back in the Mid 90's because of this.
That of course, is not the case. In Paul Smith 90s Warwickshire had the best, and quickest, English bowler of his generation. Just ask Allan Donald. They had the world’s best bowler (AD), batsman (Lara), fielder (TP), and most inventive skip (DR). Throw in the likes of Ostler, Neil Smith, Twose, Piper, Small etc and the team oozed international quality.
That is my point we had talented England players that could make it at Test level but we're not selected.
Think you misread my comment as Clearly state that's why Warks were successful because of the Talent.
Think you misread my comment as Clearly state that's why Warks were successful because of the Talent.
only 2 specialist spinners and 2 part time spinners not enough in a spinners paradise
only 5 specialist bats the squad is very unbalanced
Anderson in his last tour to India he was not interested after 10 overs can't see his attitude changing
it has the feel of a rehearsal of who wants the swan song last ashes tour as after the drubbing here & in auss they will be on the book deal circuit again
only 5 specialist bats the squad is very unbalanced
Anderson in his last tour to India he was not interested after 10 overs can't see his attitude changing
it has the feel of a rehearsal of who wants the swan song last ashes tour as after the drubbing here & in auss they will be on the book deal circuit again
The decision not to play Foakes is such a disgrace. Why do the selectors play favourites in this way. Bess is clearly complete garbage yet that 5 wicket fluke will buy him the rest of 2021 and we all know leach will be the first out when we go back to 1 spinner in England. Ed Smith out.
The hierarchy clearly have confidence in Crawley, Sibley and Burns as our top 3 moving forward. It will be interesting to see after away and home series against India whether they will be 1, 2, and 3 for the first test Down Under.
I agree. We’ve been through a fair few openers since the Strauss/Cook era. Hopefully at least one of these guys will come good if not all.
I guess you didn't pay any attention to the Aus / India series then. To call India's current pace attack "mediums" shows a shocking lack of knowledge.
Well India’s third choice team managed the Aussie’s attack ok, Starc and Lyon are passed it, i would say we have our best chance since 2010/11 to win down under
India's mediums? Do you actually watch any cricket??
If India were capable of narrowly defeating Steve Smith's Australia, they should absolutely demolish Joe Root's England
But how would you know as you said yourself you don't like cricket, don't watch it etc.
or was there some other reason you decided to post on a sport you have no interest in?
Hmmm I wonder.
or was there some other reason you decided to post on a sport you have no interest in?
Hmmm I wonder.
Indian cricket fan ere. Expect India to win but series will be lot closer than you think. I certainly don't see it being a demolition. I think there is enough talent in the team to give a good account against India. Strange times these really so never know.
Weird that Buttler will play just the 1st Test. Logically he'd play both in the first half of the series, or go home now
VERY harsh!! Fantastic player! Well worth watching; great technique!
odd comment. Has he abused you somewhere? I wouldn't be surprised.
Has he stamped on your toys or something? Ridiculous comment.
I think it’s less a rest from the physicalities (although that may apply to a couple of the oldies!) and more a rest from the touring environment.
When they’re on tour they’re away from home and family, and now in these bio secure bubbles I think they are pretty much stuck in hotels 24/7. I can understand why you’d need a break from that for your mental health and to stay on top of your game.
When they’re on tour they’re away from home and family, and now in these bio secure bubbles I think they are pretty much stuck in hotels 24/7. I can understand why you’d need a break from that for your mental health and to stay on top of your game.
Silverwood was speaking highly about Stone, who’s been really unlucky with injuries. He’s been picked for India but overlooked for this SL Test which we should win and would have given him experience of both Test cricket and different conditions.
Wood hardly set the world alight in the first Test and is rested for the first two in India. I don’t understand this complete lack of joined-up thinking
Wood hardly set the world alight in the first Test and is rested for the first two in India. I don’t understand this complete lack of joined-up thinking
He’s an asset in the right conditions. I cannot understand why they didn’t give Stone a nod after he’s missed out so many times
Er...5/46 v South Africa this winter, 5/41 v West Indies in the summer and doesn't get picked very often.
Anderson, Ali, and Broad, specifically.
Russell was the best keeper England have ever had though, plus he wasn't that bad a batsman which shouldn't come into it when picking a specialist. You don't pick a less good fast bowler because he might make a few more runs.
Russell (the greatest keeper of all time? - sometimes stood up for the quicks to unsettle batsmen) did pretty well as a batsman at times.
Remember his match saving partnership with Atherton in South Africa.
And he was dropped for the following home series.
His premature retirement from Test Cricket was largely due to the pressure of never knowing if he would be selected.
Remember his match saving partnership with Atherton in South Africa.
And he was dropped for the following home series.
His premature retirement from Test Cricket was largely due to the pressure of never knowing if he would be selected.
They’ll do fine against India’s mediums. The real challenge will be down under against genuine pace, rhythm and bounce.
Resting Wood and Curran I can understand, because they are pretty ineffective on Asian pitches. Bairstow, on the other hand, has played hardly any Test cricket for two years, and this is a daft decision with perhaps some other hidden reason.
If the team were selected on past data, then Colin Cowdrey and Keith Fletcher (a renowned player of spin) would still be selected!!!
Buttler should be 3rd choice WK, his selection makes no sense.
Foakes is the best Keeper of the 3. Bairstow is the best Red Ball batsman of the 3, has the best record in India, and would be a formidable player to come in at no.7.
Foakes is the best Keeper of the 3. Bairstow is the best Red Ball batsman of the 3, has the best record in India, and would be a formidable player to come in at no.7.
The hierarchy clearly have confidence in Crawley, Sibley and Burns as our top 3 moving forward. It will be interesting to see after away and home series against India whether they will be 1, 2, and 3 for the first test Down Under.
If India were capable of narrowly defeating Steve Smith's Australia, they should absolutely demolish Joe Root's England
only 2 specialist spinners and 2 part time spinners not enough in a spinners paradise
only 5 specialist bats the squad is very unbalanced
Anderson in his last tour to India he was not interested after 10 overs can't see his attitude changing
it has the feel of a rehearsal of who wants the swan song last ashes tour as after the drubbing here & in auss they will be on the book deal circuit again
only 5 specialist bats the squad is very unbalanced
Anderson in his last tour to India he was not interested after 10 overs can't see his attitude changing
it has the feel of a rehearsal of who wants the swan song last ashes tour as after the drubbing here & in auss they will be on the book deal circuit again
Perhaps someone can explain why there needs to be a selected squad while also taking 6 reserves? Why not just a squad including all of them? If a home team need a new player during a series they just select one from everyone in the country, (ie They are not limited to a certain list of players) so what's the difference ?