Covid: Infections 'must be brought down' to help NHS
21/01/2021 | news | health | 1,175
Researchers warn that unless something changes, hospitals will continue facing significant pressure.
If I hurry, I can be first. Removed
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21/01/2021 11:53:03 109 50
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If infections rates have gone up during lockdown, then clearly lockdowns don't work.

So what's the answer ? Ah, more lockdowns.

This medicine is not working - here, take more of it.
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21/01/2021 11:58:10 63 58
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In fact there is some evidence that lockdowns result in more deaths.
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21/01/2021 11:58:51 22 19
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Lockdowns work if people agree to be locked down and observe the rules, but many of them don't.
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21/01/2021 11:59:11 18 8
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Infection rates were drastically reduced during the first lockdown because people listened. Infection rates have risen during this lockdown because people don't care anymore. The number of people I see in shops not wearing masks and not maintaining the six-foot distance is crazy. First lockdown, at noon, my town centre was dead. This lockdown, at noon, my town centre is positively bustling.
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21/01/2021 12:02:23 14 11
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You are either stupid or purposefully misinterpreting figures.

Do your own research.
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21/01/2021 12:04:50 11 13
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The lockdowns do work, but need to be real lockdowns which this one clearly isnt. The virus was given the chance to massively expand during the Boris christmas debacle and once out the bag it is off and running happily. Vaccinations are great but given that no one who is actually moving around much is getting them the rate of infection is not going to change anytime soon. As for deaths...wow!
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21/01/2021 12:05:47 24 14
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'Lockdowns' do work when done properly as part of an overall view, see NZ, Singapore, S.Korea, Taiwan, HK, Australia or closer to home IOM.

What doesn't work is if you have an incompetent government making poor decisions at every step, acting too late and giving little or no incentive to isolate either through carrot or stick. £22bn spent on Track, Trace and Isolate and what a shambles.
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21/01/2021 12:07:49 25 24
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Lockdowns work. It is not even up for debate.
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21/01/2021 12:36:38 8 3
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level of infection on 8th Jan higher than early December proves lockdown on 4th January isn't working?

Wow

When cases start to rise but are still relatively low argue that lockdown isn't needed, and then when it becomes critical complain that it doesn't have an immediate response.

No wonder we are in the state we are in.
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21/01/2021 12:50:39 4 1
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New cases take about a week from infection through testing until they appear in daily figures. Hospital admissions follow a week or two later. Deaths sadly follow a week or more after that.

The hospital admissions and deaths we’re seeing now are largely a result of pre-lockdown infections, and in particular due to keeping London in Tier 2 in December.
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21/01/2021 13:07:54 0 0
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closing borders would work or testing at borders for covid
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21/01/2021 14:03:42 0 0
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Then you have what teh USA did and that worked out well NOT!
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21/01/2021 14:18:51 0 0
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It’s not a lockdown
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21/01/2021 14:24:28 0 1
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This isn't a lockdown. The first lockdown worked because it was a lockdown. This is just a mess
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21/01/2021 14:30:06 0 1
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It's not lockdown its tier4 with schools half closed everyones still working.
How can you stay at home but be at work.
It doesn't matter about people breaking the rules if everyones mixing at work
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21/01/2021 15:20:47 1 0
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They are down.
by 30 %
The trajectory is: PLUMMETING !!!
The vulnerable are vaccinated. 20% of us are immune cos we've had the virus.
Herd immunity is HERE
I now declare the lockdown OVER. finito. kaput. HURRAH !!!
Let's go out and GET OUR LIVES BACK. yee hah!!
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21/01/2021 16:28:18 0 1
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Lockdowns do work
provided people behave
the reason that infections rose after lockdown was because it was far too late and people had been behaving like stupid idiots
21/01/2021 20:28:54 0 0
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If you have a highly infectious disease, then a lockdown will not work unless most people obey the lockdown rules:
Illustrative proof: Suppose the natural R rate for a disease is 4. So each person on average will infect 4 new people in the early stages of the epidemic. If 25% of the population completely ignore the rules, then the average R factor will be ~>1, i.e. no decline in sickness levels.
22/01/2021 05:20:22 0 0
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There is at least a two week delay. Diseases aren't instant.
VoR
22/01/2021 07:33:11 0 0
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Your logic is flawed. If deaths rise tenfold each week without lockdown, and double each week with it, clearly lockdown is working. Yet your logic would be saying it doesn't.
22/01/2021 14:00:42 0 0
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Sophistry. If a microgram of a drug doesn't work then we should abandon the entire pharmacopoeia.

Lockdowns are really a last resort though, given failure of any strategy to test, trace and isolate.
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21/01/2021 11:53:11 16 3
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I love the way that when you're "impartial", and not connected to the story and have no connection with it, you can use phrases like "significant pressure"

when the actual story for someone who's doing it, is

"******, this is utterly crazy, what is happening?"
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21/01/2021 11:53:23 127 5
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To judge trustworthiness of information, it’s important to use multiple sources to draw conclusions. Recently cases found by testing and the Kings College ZOE study have both shown a decreasing trend, in contrast to Imperial’s findings.

Tomorrow we should see the next ONS infection survey results, which will help determine if the Imperial study is just an outlier, or is what’s actually going on.
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21/01/2021 12:22:14 36 10
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That's if they don't cancel it BW like they did last week.
I wonder if it would have shown infections reducing BEFORE lockdown?
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Bob
21/01/2021 12:42:23 7 1
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It's frequency is the issue. It also is telling us nothing we didn't already know. You can see from the official test data that cases doubled from the start of Dec compared to start of Jan.

And tests from a few days after the announcement of lockdown isn't going to show a drop in cases.

That's why the other measure are more accurate, they're more up to date.
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21/01/2021 12:44:18 9 1
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The lockdown has slowed the spread of the latest wave from London.

Figures in Yorkshire have not risen much over the past month.

Nationally new cases are falling. Desperately waiting for daily death figures to follow that trend and start falling.
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21/01/2021 12:49:59 8 0
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The official government figure show peak at end of first week in January, and figures after suggest number of cases now on a downward trend :-

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases
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21/01/2021 12:57:51 13 0
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They should also look to use test date and not reported date. A delay in reporting positive tests will create a spike that isn't there in reality.
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21/01/2021 13:05:01 2 7
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stop importing mutated covid into the country
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21/01/2021 13:14:56 8 2
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Just to add to you comment. 3 of the last Imperial studies have proven to be very inaccuarte in the recent past. Some conspiract theirist would sugges they are being paid to make the figures look bad, god forbid...money over facts?
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21/01/2021 14:06:41 8 7
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There is gigantic amounts of misinformation everywhere. We cal all see that most of us are well and going about our daily business and so many say they know of no one with this and they know no one with it and it goes on. There will always be those that have compromised immune systems who will succumb to ANY virus but this is wildly exaggerated for a reason.
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21/01/2021 14:14:34 6 0
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Important to understand the context of Imperial college data. They usually test for 2 weeks then leave a two week gap and collate their data. This didn't happen in December and a whole month went without carrying out any testing. It is most likely that this gap in testing missed the huge spike followed by a drop in cases as all other data sets seem to show.
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21/01/2021 14:31:15 2 0
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Actively swabbing people rather than just those who feel unwell like NHS, survey will pick up the asymptomatic who would otherwise be missed. As it's thought this is a large group the ICL results must show higher infections than NHS figures (which also suffer irregularities due to patchy weekend reporting); so it's not inconsistent that curves will both be out of phase and at different levels
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21/01/2021 15:21:03 2 2
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They are down.
by 30 %
The trajectory is: PLUMMETING !!!
The vulnerable are vaccinated. 20% of us are immune cos we've had the virus.
Herd immunity is HERE
I now declare the lockdown OVER. finito. kaput. HURRAH !!!
Let's go out and GET OUR LIVES BACK. yee hah!!
22/01/2021 00:46:57 0 1
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Elsewhere on this site, Heart attack patient numbers have dropped - just like the first lock-down ,we are killing people with lock-down and the numbers are hidden in the convoluted Covid counting of 'with' & 'within 28 days of a +ve PCR' - intriguingly WHO now recommend retesting asymptomatic cases & publishing the Cycles used, just as Biden rejoins. Maybe we all need tinfoil hats, how convenient
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21/01/2021 11:53:32 139 49
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How can you miss out the entire month of December when it’s clear that’s when cases were increasing,and then claim that you’re data is the best when everything else points the opposite.

Imperial college is run by Neil Ferguson who is hardly the one to talk about sticking to the rules.

Pretty poor of the BBC to not report that
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21/01/2021 12:25:39 75 22
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Imperial college is NOT run by Neil Ferguson. He isn't even on the [long] authors list for this report, so maybe youi should look for another messenger to attack

Data gathered using different methods will differ; Christmas was a statistical outlier since people socialise differently, this will muddy the data

It's important for scientists to be able to report their findings, whatever they are.
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Bob
21/01/2021 12:44:24 12 5
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The problem isn't the data or their analysis (per se) of the data. It is the age of the data and the BBC picking out the dramatic parts to make it sounds worse than it is.

It is reasonable to say that 'if this continues', meaning 'if by the next time we do our survey we have the same results'. But we already have other more recent data to suggest that won't be the case.
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21/01/2021 12:51:37 8 1
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Exactly. Infections having risen since early December does not mean infections are rising now. The idea that the drop in cases reflects a decrease in infections in late December is also nonsense. The lag between an infection and a positive test is a few days, not a few weeks and cases have continued to fall over the last few days despite increased testing which means infections cannot be rising.
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21/01/2021 13:03:28 10 10
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The Imperial College computer modelling team... how they’re still used is beyond me, absolute joke.
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21/01/2021 13:05:38 1 9
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BBC won't even report covid mutated strain came from Denmark
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21/01/2021 14:24:30 0 0
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The BBC like Neil Ferguson and often have him on asking him for his anti SAGE views.
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21/01/2021 16:50:38 2 1
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why is ferguson involved in anything with his previous record
21/01/2021 19:52:05 1 1
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Complete twaddle that "Imperial College is run by Neil Ferguson"; he's the vice-Dean. For those ignorant of the facts, Imperial College is one of the world's most prestigious universities, ranked No 11 last year. You don't become a senior academic here if you are incompetent.

The problem is that a small minority of those less scientifically educated want to ignore inconvenient truths.
22/01/2021 00:52:44 0 1
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The ONS announced they aren't going to drop 2015 & include 2020 in the 5 year avg figure to calculate 2021 excess mortality - so 2021 will appear higher, 'too many deaths in 2020' they say. Oh that's OK then, lets change all the calculations & cherry pick to get the numbers we want!
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21/01/2021 11:53:53 7 7
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Infections must be brought down to save people's lives. Let's not forget the end goal here. The NHS is a vital tool, but still a tool.
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21/01/2021 11:54:40 4 5
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With almost 40,000 hospital beds out of around 88,000 occupied by Covid patients, this is all about reducing the spread, not about how many are dying.

Too many people out and about 'exercising' when really they're just flexing the rules to meet up outside.

It'll take 4-5 weeks for vaccination to start filtering through so we have to stop the mixing else the hospitals will break.
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MB
21/01/2021 12:00:39 7 2
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Tell that to hancock and his pals in the bar, or Prince Charles on a jaunt to Scotland (with Covid), or indeed a PM who cannot keep his hands to himself and an advisor who drives to Durham.
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21/01/2021 11:55:09 139 50
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Look on the bright side, at least no one is dying of cancer or heart attacks (reported yesterday that less heart attacks are being treated now), or anything else for that matter.

Remember - Only Covid deaths are important, nothing else matters.
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21/01/2021 12:03:02 85 43
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Yes it's tragic that other conditions are going untreated, but remember that heart attacks and cancer don't increase exponentially and spread out of control by simply being near someone for a few minutes. That's why such an infectious disease (covid) is of particular concern.
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Kes
21/01/2021 12:30:32 13 19
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They're not being treated because the hospitals are full of covid patients. Less covid means more capacity to treat other conditions.
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21/01/2021 12:42:53 14 8
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Daft comment. The NHS is trying very hard to keep a full level of service. However it is very hard when the beds are full of Covid patients. There are two options - reduce the level of infection, or refuse to treat Covid patients and let them die untreated. Which option are you in favour of?
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21/01/2021 12:45:47 10 6
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COVID would infect the whole population given the zero lockdown scenario. It sits with about 1% mortality. So do the simple arithmetic and ask the question again.
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21/01/2021 13:35:29 5 2
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SPOT ON!!
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21/01/2021 13:56:32 3 0
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Less cancer being TREATED (or diagnosed). So more people will die of cancer. Because the NHS only has finite resources.
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MH
21/01/2021 14:21:41 3 0
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Wonder how many of the traditionally transmittable infections have been affected by the restrictions placed on the country.
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21/01/2021 15:32:11 2 2
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Grow up
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21/01/2021 16:23:07 1 0
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That comment is crass
people are dying of both cancer and heart attacks
I lost a friend to cancer last week
VoR
22/01/2021 07:22:16 0 0
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The other deaths matter, but in many cases the people are vulnerable to Covid, and that's why they are not being brought into hospital. For example, some being treated for cancer have had their immune systems knocked out, so being brought into hospitals whilst Covid is around would be risky.

With my daughter, there's capacity to treat her, but they try to avoid bringing her in for that reason.
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Ian
21/01/2021 11:55:14 9 17
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?? We must wear masks and not break the rules

?? We must take the vaccine when called

?? We must think of others

?? Let's make a brighter future for everyone with a sense of social responsibility
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21/01/2021 12:00:52 3 2
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If it was a brighter future for everyone, you wouldn't need rules to enforce it. We really don't want to go down the "greater good" path again. It's been tried many times throughout history and has always ended terribly
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21/01/2021 12:08:30 2 1
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No, NO, no and no.
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PJ
21/01/2021 12:22:42 1 0
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Where's that vomiting emoji when you need it?
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Ann
21/01/2021 11:55:35 104 34
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Why are we still listening to Neil Ferguson ?? Are lockdowns really working ?? Solution ? More lockdowns !
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21/01/2021 12:01:04 85 20
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I'm not listening to this fool. He is a physicist who uses questionable models to come up with the wrong answers.
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21/01/2021 12:16:12 16 17
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see countries with decent leaders, See our deaths and stop asking stupid questions
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21/01/2021 12:21:36 13 13
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Lockdowns are a failure of government policy.
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21/01/2021 12:39:01 9 6
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Oh for heaven's sake. If you are going to criticise, at least *try* and understand the information coming out. This is completely different group and process from Neil Ferguson's modelling group. This is a randomised survey measuring infection rates. It's one more piece of evidence along with ONS, ZOE, and Test and Trace in understanding the level of infection in the community.
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21/01/2021 13:05:53 1 2
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testing at borders only works
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21/01/2021 13:28:38 1 4
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Hopeless politicians got us in this current mess(again) it was quite obvious London and southeast should have stayed in Lockdown back in November hence the rampant covid spread, another cock up in a long list of cock ups !!!
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21/01/2021 14:17:08 0 3
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It’s not a lockdown
It’s tier 5
The March lockdown last year brought low deaths, we didn’t know the infection rate as track and trace was rolled out AFTER we reopened
Daft move
It’s never been able to keep up since
It never will, because so many communities are so interlocked with schools and work
Too much public blame and too much hope in this vaccine -lockdowns do work when done properly
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21/01/2021 14:31:43 0 2
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If people stuck to a lockdown when first instructed to, then we wouldn't need further ones, or at least they would be less likely. Are you really blind to the number of people who think they are the exception; that it doesn't include them; the deniers - these are the people causing the spikes in the statistics.
21/01/2021 17:55:36 0 0
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Is it the same guy who helped tony blair mishandle foot & mouth? Or was that a different ferguson at imperial?
21/01/2021 19:04:50 1 0
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Academics are academics for a reason in my experience. They cant get a proper job because they have no sense of realism, pragmatism, commercialism, economic reality. Great with stats, science etc, BUT the world doesnt work like that. They need to be ignored much much more if we want to maintain any sensible kind of economy. Sack them all.
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MVP
21/01/2021 11:55:44 16 9
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The UK handling of this pandemic has been appalling and has lead to the highest number of deaths in Europe and a situation that is, quite frankly, out of control.

When this is all over there needs to be a full inquiry and those responsible for these failings need to face the consequences.
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21/01/2021 12:00:06 7 1
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Probably won't happen, and if it does it will be a whitewash. It will be headed by one of these so called 'experts' who will cover up their shocking liability.
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21/01/2021 12:09:57 0 5
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the virus is passed from person to person you know;so avoiding contacts would halt transmission.If the infection rate has increased it is due to people mixing when they should not you cannot get round the fact that many people are ignoring the rules and then moaning that it is someone elses fault(usually the government)
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21/01/2021 14:09:53 0 1
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Is it really the 'handling' of the Pandemic which has caused so many deaths or is it the actions of those 'bulletproof' British people who decide they will assert their 'rights' (without responsibility) to do as they wish by ignoring the guidance.
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21/01/2021 11:55:46 10 5
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With a recent study suggesting that 1 in 8 have or have had the virus what do the daily infection rates mean? Yet its questionable numbers like these are driving government policy. We are being conned by false science.
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21/01/2021 11:59:58 1 0
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Do your own research
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21/01/2021 11:55:49 11 8
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As soon as the most vulnerable priority groups have been vaccinated infection rates will be less of concern as deaths and serious illness cases drop, then we can live with it like cold, flu, etc.
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21/01/2021 11:59:39 4 6
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You want younger people who provide to the economy to get ill to keep the old people in foreign holidays and other freebies enabled by the triple lock?
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21/01/2021 11:58:32 0 3
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I'm not sure you have understood the virus at all. It is potentially lethal to any adult, more so the elderly yes but also the seemingly healthy in their 20's, 30's and 40's etc.
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21/01/2021 13:51:11 0 0
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In other words its political. Get the death rate and hospital admissions out of the headlines.
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MB
21/01/2021 11:55:56 10 12
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Perhaps it wouldn't have risen to be the worst in Europe if PMs, their advisors and Ministers had obeyed the rules they set out in the first place.
But, then there were also good examples from members of the Royal Family travelling with Covid across the country.
But hey ho, blame young people or footballers, it's so much easier.
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21/01/2021 11:56:28 4 7
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We all know this, but sadly a lot of people either don't care, or have succumbed to conspiracy theories.

There is no drive to enforce the rules where I am either. None of the supermarkets care and the police are nowhere to be seen.
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21/01/2021 12:02:13 8 0
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The Police are having a meeting in Morrisons' cafe.
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21/01/2021 11:56:36 22 2
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So what next, another half hearted lockdown speech?
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21/01/2021 11:58:40 12 9
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doesn't matter whether it's half hearted

what's important is that the national broadcaster broadcasts it

what's also important is whether people are watching a different channel when it's being broadcast
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Ann
21/01/2021 12:06:47 12 1
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No, how about we stay locked in small boxes with the keys given to the police till this virus disappears ?
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21/01/2021 11:57:37 5 5
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Roll out the vaccine quicker.
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21/01/2021 12:27:05 1 0
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she cannae do that cap'n

ah just doon't have the pooooooooooooooooooooow'r
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21/01/2021 11:57:52 8 2
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With certain people now thinking that, by having the vaccination, they are protected I fully expect mobility to increase in the coming weeks/months not reduce.
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21/01/2021 11:58:03 90 7
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Seriously getting annoyed with this now... Cant do anymore then I'm doing now.
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21/01/2021 12:23:29 55 7
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Totally agree. Support getting this down but we need the roadmap out. If we stay locked down until Easter i'll probably end up in psych ward. No jojd or exaggeration.
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21/01/2021 14:12:35 5 0
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I wonder if the tipping point will be last week in March if we're still under severe lockdown restrictions 1 year on. We were told vaccinating the over 70s would reduce deaths & hospitalisations by 88%. If those have been done by beginning of March as per the govt's plan then surely by the end of March we've protected the NHS & saved lives therefore restrictions can be loosened somewhat.
ms
21/01/2021 20:16:33 0 0
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Then you don’t have to.
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21/01/2021 11:58:08 7 2
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"May" isn't a very confident statement

I may not be sure whether this is a poor attempt at project fear or an admission of the fact "lockdowns" (whatever that may be) make almost no difference

Within the UK some big areas like Liverpool massively spiking in lockdown and Plymouth continues to increase

Is this perhaps it is the cycle of the virus that matters and lockdown is no different to T3
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21/01/2021 12:59:22 0 0
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Liverpool 7 days to 15th January 23% down on 7 days to 8th of january
Plymouth 7 days to 15th January up 8% (but only at 330 cases per 100,000)
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21/01/2021 11:53:03 109 50
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If infections rates have gone up during lockdown, then clearly lockdowns don't work.

So what's the answer ? Ah, more lockdowns.

This medicine is not working - here, take more of it.
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21/01/2021 11:58:10 63 58
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In fact there is some evidence that lockdowns result in more deaths.
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21/01/2021 13:02:39 3 5
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Look at reliable figures as a whole rather than cherry picking data.

No, there is no evidence. There IS evidence that people BREAKING lockdown rules have resulted in more deaths.
21/01/2021 19:08:00 0 0
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The uptick/downtick reply to this question tells you everything you need to know about public opinion regarding lockdowns.
VoR
22/01/2021 07:32:12 0 0
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No, there really isn't.
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21/01/2021 11:58:17 13 7
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The lockdown is being comprehensively ignored round here. People have a living to make, and are doing so. You can't blame them.
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21/01/2021 12:06:11 2 12
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The trouble with that attitude is that you'll end up with a sick population AND a load of bankrupt businesses. No economy can function if a large number of its buyers and sellers are dead/dying/too unwell or too scared to work.
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MVP
21/01/2021 11:58:40 13 12
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The government rhetoric regarding "protecting the NHS" is shameful. The NHS has seen a decade of budget cuts and we would not be in this mess if it had been properly funded.
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21/01/2021 12:23:36 3 1
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Budget cuts?
NHS budget 2010 = £116.9 b
NHS budget 2020 =£164.1 b
= + £47.2 b = + 41%
Source: https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk
NHS (Eng) workforce Jan 2010 = 1,012,217 (WTE)
NHS (Eng) workforce Sept 2020 = 1,164,729
= + 152,512
The increase includes
+14,378 Consultants
+28,853 Nurses and Midwives
+ 28,905 Scientists, Therapists and Technicians
- 2,518 Managers
Source: NHS Digital
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21/01/2021 11:56:36 22 2
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So what next, another half hearted lockdown speech?
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21/01/2021 11:58:40 12 9
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doesn't matter whether it's half hearted

what's important is that the national broadcaster broadcasts it

what's also important is whether people are watching a different channel when it's being broadcast
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21/01/2021 13:10:13 2 0
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i have 200 channels . never watch bbc
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21/01/2021 11:58:48 10 3
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new cases continued to rise for about 5 weeks into the first lockdown so it was pretty obvious that case would continue to rise in this lockdown, the fact that new cases appear to be falling after 2 weeks in this lockdown is good news and testament to the sacrifices people are making,
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21/01/2021 11:53:03 109 50
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If infections rates have gone up during lockdown, then clearly lockdowns don't work.

So what's the answer ? Ah, more lockdowns.

This medicine is not working - here, take more of it.
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21/01/2021 11:58:51 22 19
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Lockdowns work if people agree to be locked down and observe the rules, but many of them don't.
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21/01/2021 13:41:53 1 0
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The trouble is they don’t work
22/01/2021 01:54:35 0 0
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No they don't, ask Oz, they forcible mask and lock-people up, but they open up, a day or so later, they lock-down again. Peru had the hardest lock-down imposed by the military, overall it had the second highest mortality per capita on the planet much worse than it's much maligned neighbour Brazil.
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21/01/2021 11:58:58 3 6
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And in other news you can travel miles to see a property that's for sale.
Why not? Good time to buy a house. Some security for the autumn of our lives. Great location ( an island) . No nasty neighbours who can invade you anytime. We appreciate things which you Britons take for granted. You have been given, issued with this privilege at birth for free. We had to work hard for it. Now we love this country and appreciate every minute of our lives on these shores.
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21/01/2021 11:53:03 109 50
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If infections rates have gone up during lockdown, then clearly lockdowns don't work.

So what's the answer ? Ah, more lockdowns.

This medicine is not working - here, take more of it.
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21/01/2021 11:59:11 18 8
bbc
Infection rates were drastically reduced during the first lockdown because people listened. Infection rates have risen during this lockdown because people don't care anymore. The number of people I see in shops not wearing masks and not maintaining the six-foot distance is crazy. First lockdown, at noon, my town centre was dead. This lockdown, at noon, my town centre is positively bustling.
150
21/01/2021 12:21:44 26 12
bbc
Maybe because being locked down for a year more or less has got us no where and people are sick of the govt repeating the same thing.

We need a different approach. Protect the vulnerable and let the rest of us take our chances!!
191
21/01/2021 12:31:34 11 2
bbc
"First lockdown, at noon, my town centre was dead. This lockdown, at noon, my town centre is positively bustling".

With you as the common denominator....
216
21/01/2021 12:39:26 5 2
bbc
not true, infection rates are falling, this data is taken too soon, they need to compare 1-10th of january with 16th to 25 of january.

Every lockdown has produced a reduction in cases, and every time it is eased cases have risen.
346
21/01/2021 13:11:34 2 0
bbc
And you out and about at noon in your town centre during both lockdowns, but advocating that nobody else should be!
22/01/2021 01:56:56 0 0
bbc
So why did 72,000+ of the alleged 90,000 excess deaths occur then? Why also did the rate peak earlier than possible given the lock-down date? Why also did the BBC have to report on the fiddled data for the second lock-down in the autumn where they used data 2 weeks out of date?
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21/01/2021 11:59:27 13 8
bbc
I hope, when the pandemic has eased, that this government puts its hand its pocket and helps the NHS so that we can deal with these situations when/if they arise again.
We've been told in previous years before the pandemic that the NHS was at breaking point and this government has done nothing so I find it ironic that they are now banging the 'help the NHS' drum.
68
21/01/2021 12:07:30 12 0
bbc
What are you talking about the 'government' hasn't got a penny in it's pocket it's taxpayers money
83
21/01/2021 12:09:56 0 3
bbc
I hope THIS GOVERNMENT won't have to do anything. We have seen the Tories cutting public spending (including to the NHS) for a decade. I blame the sheeple who continue to vote for them.
128
21/01/2021 12:18:15 8 0
bbc
NHS budget 2009/10 = £108.7 billion
NHS budget 2020/21 = £162 billion
Difference = + £53.3 billion (nearly 50%)
Source: ukpublicspending.co.uk
Adult critical care beds (England) in 2011/12 = 3707
Adult critical care beds in 2019/20 = 4119
An increase of 412 (11%)
Source: thekingsfund.org.uk
Future budget projections from HM Treasury indicate further increases in budget.
158
21/01/2021 12:23:42 4 1
bbc
The Government has no money in it's pocket, other than OUR money.

If you believe we should all pay more taxes to bolster the NHS, fair comment, but how much more tax are YOU prepared to pay ?

Those who maintain that "others" should pay more tax are just a pain in the neck !

And to all. please don't trot out the tired old pony about Rich Tories Offshore, Google, Starbucks, Amazon etc
446
21/01/2021 13:11:31 0 0
bbc
if the government cared they would test for covid at borders using the military
559
21/01/2021 13:45:54 0 0
bbc
There's actually a lot fewer people paying in now than even this time last year so where you think this magic money is coming from I don't know, but lets keep shutting more and more down. Let's hope those begging for more money don't come on bleating about massive tax rises
596
21/01/2021 13:39:32 1 0
bbc
Well i for one would support a move of the cash from supporting the BBC to the NHS.
The so called 'impartial' BBC has sown throughout the pandemic that it is very prepared to back it socialist politicians rather than report the truth ad REAL things.
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21/01/2021 11:59:31 125 59
bbc
Why NHS is not ready?Why we constantly have to hear that mantra Save NHS etc.That's their job. That's what we pay our taxes for.
They should ALWAYS be ready for times such as this.Pandemic , natural disasters or even wars. Western societies got so comfortable, so complacent that have come to the point thinking that human suffering does not apply to them.NHS must always be ready. For everything
51
21/01/2021 12:03:07 35 83
bbc
Who are you, Captain Hindsight ?
54
21/01/2021 12:04:32 34 11
bbc
we don't pay enough tax to fund it, the nhs runs at 90+% capacity in normal times. hardly suprising they can't cope with a pandemic.
108
21/01/2021 12:13:45 50 5
bbc
Because that's what people want! For 40 years people have voted for parties which promise to reduce their taxes, rather than for parties which promise to fund public services. If you want Swedish or Dutch levels of service, you have to pay Swedish or Dutch levels of taxes.
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Ann
21/01/2021 12:19:29 25 27
bbc
save the nhs ! It is getting tiresome now. People’s lives put on hold, kids not going to school, millions of jobs lost, billions of taxpayers money spent on nhs ! NHS is still not ready!
159
21/01/2021 12:24:04 25 24
bbc
You must be a Tory. Vote the party that defunds the NHS and then pretend that they have not been defunded.
174
21/01/2021 12:26:48 35 5
bbc
Are you prepared to pay the level of taxation needed to meet the service level you demand.
When did the NHS last face this level of demand?
Never.
Can you imagine what the response would have been if in the autumn budget review the Chancellor had announced that he was raising income tax and other taxes by the amount needed to have met the preparedness you demand.

Time you rejoined the real world.
189
21/01/2021 12:30:53 18 16
bbc
Tell that to the cost cutting tories who have been slashing budgets for years, they should be held responsible.
211
21/01/2021 12:38:32 16 9
bbc
They were not ready, because at a senior/ board level they are incompetent and not fit for purpose, and never will be. Covid has cruelly exposed their inadequacies
Front line staff are not valued by them (proven time and time again) and patients really are an inconvenience. Too much money is wasted
We have learned two things. 1. Nothing will change. 2. God help us if ever there was a real disaster
221
21/01/2021 12:41:35 20 5
bbc
To suggest that the NHS be permanently staffed and equipped always to be able to "Manage Wars " and other disasters is in my view plain daft.

That must surely be unaffordable, and a huge waste of National resources.

How much extra in taxes are YOU prepared to pay for that ?

Or are you one of those who feels that "Other People" must pay ?
288
21/01/2021 12:57:53 6 0
bbc
The NHS is not ready because the government and others in authority chose to sweep the findings of Exercise Cygnus under the carpet. This exercise told us, in 2017, that the NHS (and the country) would struggle to cope with a pandemic of a respiratory infection and identified many of the problems that we have seen (lack of PPE, NHS staffing capacity etc.). Predictably nothing was done.
323
21/01/2021 13:06:19 4 4
bbc
In my lifetime many hospitals have closed and never been replaced, if we had spare capacity in terms of wards and equipment that's a good starting point.
How you get people to train as nurses is beyond me as the money is cr**
Maybe tax breaks to train as a territorial style nurse in your spare time.
326
21/01/2021 13:07:17 3 1
bbc
China has a national epidemic response centre which has allowed them ( whether we believe the figures or not) to del with outbreaks very quickly and effectively. The have experience of course from Bird Flu, SARS, etc but it has definitely paid off for them. As I'm sure Covid 19 will not be the last pandemic we have do deal with we should consider this ourselves.
327
21/01/2021 12:38:36 3 0
bbc
That would require government support.
335
21/01/2021 13:09:03 6 0
bbc
The answer to your question(s) is well documented. Firstly, this government did zero contingency planning in the event of a pandemic of this magnitude which was highly likely to occur. When the NHS did a dry run in 2016 for a major incident they failed. This government did nothing whatsoever about that. Ethelred the Unready (AKA Boris) was poorly advised.
415
21/01/2021 13:06:34 4 1
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the country has huge population and NHS is small
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Jen
21/01/2021 13:25:47 7 0
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why isn't every road gritted to the fullest every winter? Because stockpiling salt, spreaders, and drivers costs money and the odds of actually needing them are low. We used up PPE that had been sitting in cupboards for a decade since swine flu prep. No one can predict or afford to prepare for everything.
437
21/01/2021 13:26:04 0 0
bbc
the NHS is People, doctors and nurses... think of the lack , the reduction in training etc
and the way we , the Government, with the peoples consent, have treated them over the years. and still do, our local hospital has obtained a huge income from the parking charges for nurses...
440
21/01/2021 13:26:11 3 0
bbc
The reason you keep hearing that Mantra is because since the NHS Reform Act 2012, the Secretary for Health is not responsible for YOUR health, but is responsible for the NHS.

There is no longer a single minister responsible for citizens health. All they care about is failing in their ministerial responsibility.
505
21/01/2021 13:37:02 5 0
bbc
For the NHS to be ready for everything, at the drop of a hat, you would need HUGE tax increases. Can't see the majority of people being too happy with that.
511
21/01/2021 13:38:34 2 2
bbc
You might want to take that up with the Tories. I don't think British citizens are complacent, as we're the ones who end up on the receiving end of all the cr*p resulting from lack of funding.
545
21/01/2021 13:43:33 1 0
bbc
THATs, NOT POSSIBLE?? 99.5% OF PEOPLE WOULD HAVE LAUGH AT THIS KIND OFSET UP 4 YEARS BACK ,,NEVER DREAMED OF SUCH HAPPENINGS????
557
21/01/2021 13:45:21 1 0
bbc
If you want that, then you have to pay for it
This is actually how the Nightingales should have been:
Planned and ready to go, stored in a hangar somewhere, for just such an outbreak
With PPE stockpiled
With a legion of trained volunteers, instead of a shortage of nurses
Instead Boris disbanded the Cabinet Pandemic Committee 5 months before Covid hit the UK so they could concentrate on Brexit..
634
21/01/2021 13:59:31 4 0
bbc
You cannot staff for for peak load. yes the NHS was caught out by this pandemic. But we can't have 35,000 extra beds sitting idle outside of pandemic with all the staff just sitting waiting.

Would you widen all the roads to cope with bank holiday Friday traffic, when all the extra lanes are empty for every other day of the year, of course not. And that is when you can predict the peaks.
696
21/01/2021 14:17:56 2 0
bbc
Because the NHS lost 30,000 staf over the last 4 years as a direct result of Brexit. The one thing the government is desperate to hide. The NHS has the capacity , it just doesnt have the staff anymore (all highlighted in there reports of 2017/2018 and 2019 that the government ignored)
892
21/01/2021 15:21:32 0 1
bbc
They are down.
by 30 %
The trajectory is: PLUMMETING !!!
The vulnerable are vaccinated. 20% of us are immune cos we've had the virus.
Herd immunity is HERE
I now declare the lockdown OVER. finito. kaput. HURRAH !!!
Let's go out and GET OUR LIVES BACK. yee hah!!
913
21/01/2021 15:34:05 1 0
bbc
Then fund public services properly.
940
21/01/2021 15:59:40 2 0
bbc
Why are we not ready? Even before the pandemic we were understaffed and under resourced. Resources have now improved but staffing remains a problem due to staff being off following a positive test. Our district nursing team for example, have had 3 staff off at any one time since September, due to this.
The roads are only slightly quieter in the cold winter evenings, lots of (un) necessary trips?
963
21/01/2021 16:26:08 1 0
bbc
You are absolutely right
Unfortunately Covid has shown that the NHS was grossly under resourced in the things needed to respond to a pandemic
Sadly when the gov't reacted they threw our money about without getting the things we needed
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ali
21/01/2021 16:34:11 1 0
bbc
It's probably not realistic to expect the NHS to be totally geared up waiting for the next pandemic. That would mean numerous NHS staff sitting around waiting for the next pandemic and lots of empty hospitals...
21/01/2021 19:06:53 1 0
bbc
I was thinking that myself. We must always be 100% ready for something that happens once in 100 years. 99 years out of 100 we have 50% of the staff sat on their backsides polishing hospital floors but hey once in 100 years we have it covered (muppet!)
31
21/01/2021 11:59:32 68 22
bbc
Ooh how patronising, BBC.

WE KNOW

Stop indulging in Operation Blame The Public
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21/01/2021 12:26:33 59 21
bbc
I'm bored of this "its your fault" topic. It was not my fault. I refuse to take any blame. The blame the epidemiologist who after years of training only have one answer full lock down, I also blame the Government for having zero contingency for a pandemic.
387
21/01/2021 13:19:24 7 10
bbc
If you aren't distancing, wearing a mask, washing your hands, staying in absolutely as much as possible, having the vaccine when offered it, then it IS your fault.
32
21/01/2021 11:59:36 0 0
bbc
Daily cases aren't falling by much and at least some of this is due to fewer tests being carried out compared with last week (all the data is available at gov.uk). In reality, the level of infections is probably not going anywhere.
100
21/01/2021 12:12:25 0 0
bbc
Surely there are "fewer tests being carried out" because fewer people are exhibiting signs and symptoms? Or did people take the tests previously just because they could?
33
21/01/2021 11:59:39 57 14
bbc
Infections are down by over 25% since the peak in December. This article is another scare story by the BBC. Let’s start asking why 17% of hospital admissions with COVID are catching it in hospital. How many of those who caught Covid in hospital are still in. What is the mortality rate for these people
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TC
21/01/2021 12:31:38 19 17
bbc
Not sure why it's a "scare story by the BBC" when every other media outlet is running the same story.
13
21/01/2021 11:55:49 11 8
bbc
As soon as the most vulnerable priority groups have been vaccinated infection rates will be less of concern as deaths and serious illness cases drop, then we can live with it like cold, flu, etc.
34
21/01/2021 11:59:39 4 6
bbc
You want younger people who provide to the economy to get ill to keep the old people in foreign holidays and other freebies enabled by the triple lock?
35
21/01/2021 11:59:44 7 19
bbc
how about a new PM? this one has no clue how to cope.
he's "world beating' at infections.
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Ann
21/01/2021 12:01:50 12 2
bbc
And how sure are you that the new one will ???
12
21/01/2021 11:55:46 10 5
bbc
With a recent study suggesting that 1 in 8 have or have had the virus what do the daily infection rates mean? Yet its questionable numbers like these are driving government policy. We are being conned by false science.
36
21/01/2021 11:59:58 1 0
bbc
Do your own research
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MVP
21/01/2021 11:55:44 16 9
bbc
The UK handling of this pandemic has been appalling and has lead to the highest number of deaths in Europe and a situation that is, quite frankly, out of control.

When this is all over there needs to be a full inquiry and those responsible for these failings need to face the consequences.
37
21/01/2021 12:00:06 7 1
bbc
Probably won't happen, and if it does it will be a whitewash. It will be headed by one of these so called 'experts' who will cover up their shocking liability.
7
21/01/2021 11:54:40 4 5
bbc
With almost 40,000 hospital beds out of around 88,000 occupied by Covid patients, this is all about reducing the spread, not about how many are dying.

Too many people out and about 'exercising' when really they're just flexing the rules to meet up outside.

It'll take 4-5 weeks for vaccination to start filtering through so we have to stop the mixing else the hospitals will break.
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MB
21/01/2021 12:00:39 7 2
bbc
Tell that to hancock and his pals in the bar, or Prince Charles on a jaunt to Scotland (with Covid), or indeed a PM who cannot keep his hands to himself and an advisor who drives to Durham.
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Ian
21/01/2021 11:55:14 9 17
bbc
?? We must wear masks and not break the rules

?? We must take the vaccine when called

?? We must think of others

?? Let's make a brighter future for everyone with a sense of social responsibility
39
21/01/2021 12:00:52 3 2
bbc
If it was a brighter future for everyone, you wouldn't need rules to enforce it. We really don't want to go down the "greater good" path again. It's been tried many times throughout history and has always ended terribly
13
21/01/2021 11:55:49 11 8
bbc
As soon as the most vulnerable priority groups have been vaccinated infection rates will be less of concern as deaths and serious illness cases drop, then we can live with it like cold, flu, etc.
40
21/01/2021 11:58:32 0 3
bbc
I'm not sure you have understood the virus at all. It is potentially lethal to any adult, more so the elderly yes but also the seemingly healthy in their 20's, 30's and 40's etc.
105
21/01/2021 12:13:13 4 1
bbc
Almost anything is potentially lethal to anyone, it's just a question of magnitude. It also has to be weighed up against how restrictions harm younger people very severely. For people in this age group, the precautions put them in greater danger overall than the virus.
Calculation changes a bit if hospitals are overwhelmed of course
855
21/01/2021 15:01:52 0 0
bbc
Van Tam & others have said that over 99% of hospitalisations & deaths are in the over 50s. Vaccinate them and hospitalisations & deaths drop significantly. NHS & Lives saved - which is what we're told the restrictions are there to do so they should no longer be required.
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Ann
21/01/2021 11:55:35 104 34
bbc
Why are we still listening to Neil Ferguson ?? Are lockdowns really working ?? Solution ? More lockdowns !
41
21/01/2021 12:01:04 85 20
bbc
I'm not listening to this fool. He is a physicist who uses questionable models to come up with the wrong answers.
21/01/2021 22:06:13 0 0
bbc
and of course breaks his own rules!
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21/01/2021 12:01:05 3 4
bbc
Another question is why people are moving about more?

I guess that no-one on HYS has that answer, but someone needs to take a stab at it, because if that is the problem then that is what needs to be addressed.

Possibly the answer is more lockdowns/fines, but I'm not convinced - we do broadly police with consent. If people are moving they aren't consenting in quite large numbers already.
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21/01/2021 12:01:48 7 7
bbc
On my commute to work this morning (I work in a hospital), the amount of traffic on the road is just like pre Covid times as it is in the evenings and at weekends. Unless people stop family trips to the supermarket and click and collect, the infection rate won't go down until the vaccine has been fully rolled out.
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21/01/2021 12:05:40 1 3
bbc
We take a family (of 5) trip to the supermarket. I am the only member of the family that goes into the shop. I mask up, I sanitise. We go as a family as I cannot drive.

The amount of people I see not wearing masks properly, not making an effort to leave space, handling produce that they have no intention of purchasing. It is ridiculous.
35
21/01/2021 11:59:44 7 19
bbc
how about a new PM? this one has no clue how to cope.
he's "world beating' at infections.
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Ann
21/01/2021 12:01:50 12 2
bbc
And how sure are you that the new one will ???
62
21/01/2021 12:06:18 2 3
bbc
Because they couldn't be any worse.
139
21/01/2021 12:20:06 0 0
bbc
because they might, 3 exclamantion marks

also, they probably will not, 3 dots
45
21/01/2021 12:01:53 26 2
bbc
Vaccine rollout for the over 60's should soon take effect . From NHS stats, the very worse case scenario. Infections 10m (BBC estimate) Total deaths in hospital within 28 days of +test, 62,295 = 0.623% of infections. Under 60’s 4,574 = 0.0457% of infections. UK pop. Under 60’s 50.7m, if ALL get infected, 23,170 pass away. Under 60's deaths from all causes in 2018 = 68,292.
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21/01/2021 12:19:11 16 18
bbc
It takes three weeks
3 WEEKS for the first dose to become fully effective then a further 9 WEEKS until the second doses given then another 3weeks to achieve the best effectiveness possible
So not soon that’s roughly a quarter of a year

Still wannabe statisticians will always blithely dismiss death and the hurt that comes from it to prove figures
926
21/01/2021 15:40:54 0 0
bbc
The numbers of people being vaccinated are great but this is only the first jab . All these people have to go back and have their second jab so a monumental effort required . Maybe they need to change how they report the figures .
VoR
22/01/2021 07:42:51 0 0
bbc
You forget that the case mortality rate will jump hugely if ICUs aren't available for all who need them.
15
21/01/2021 11:56:28 4 7
bbc
We all know this, but sadly a lot of people either don't care, or have succumbed to conspiracy theories.

There is no drive to enforce the rules where I am either. None of the supermarkets care and the police are nowhere to be seen.
46
21/01/2021 12:02:13 8 0
bbc
The Police are having a meeting in Morrisons' cafe.
better to beef up the NHS for the next CCP/PLA release Removed
48
21/01/2021 12:02:22 9 4
bbc
Don't blame the majority of the public. Denise Van Outen, as an example, had an accident, which I truly hope she is recovering from, while filming a series for ITV that is not really classed as 'essential' for work OR travel. She says thanks to the NHS for caring for her (fair play) but maybe she shouldn't have increased the covid risk at the same time.....
2
21/01/2021 11:53:03 109 50
bbc
If infections rates have gone up during lockdown, then clearly lockdowns don't work.

So what's the answer ? Ah, more lockdowns.

This medicine is not working - here, take more of it.
49
21/01/2021 12:02:23 14 11
bbc
You are either stupid or purposefully misinterpreting figures.

Do your own research.
22/01/2021 01:59:07 0 0
bbc
Don't need to he is right in this lock-down, with masks as well , the first lock-down the mortality rate turned before it was possible for it to have been a lock-down result - that's been known for month, as was the fiddled out of date data used to defend the pre Xmas lock-down when rates were falling pre-lockdown
8
21/01/2021 11:55:09 139 50
bbc
Look on the bright side, at least no one is dying of cancer or heart attacks (reported yesterday that less heart attacks are being treated now), or anything else for that matter.

Remember - Only Covid deaths are important, nothing else matters.
50
21/01/2021 12:03:02 85 43
bbc
Yes it's tragic that other conditions are going untreated, but remember that heart attacks and cancer don't increase exponentially and spread out of control by simply being near someone for a few minutes. That's why such an infectious disease (covid) is of particular concern.
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dan
21/01/2021 13:09:40 9 3
bbc
No, they increase exponentially without treatment!
376
21/01/2021 13:17:39 17 4
bbc
450 per day die of Cancer this figure dwarfs Covid deaths yet they are put on the back burner and its excepted, the selfishness and wilful destruction for something that's not even close to our biggest killer this year shocking
526
21/01/2021 13:40:54 1 2
bbc
AGREED !! BUT THE LOCK DOWNS HAVE NOT DONE THE JOB??? THE VACCINATIONS AGAINST COV,19 SHOULD HAVE GONE FIRSTLY TO THE DRs,NURSES. AND THE STAFF LOOKING AFTER THE COV.19 PATIENTS?? THEN TO THOSE MOST AT RISK,,, THAT MIGHT HAVE HELPED ,,, HAVING THOSE EXTRA STAFF AT WORK,, NOT ISOLATING??? TESTS FOR THOSE ISOLATING,, NOW THAT WOULD ALSO HELP! Reducing gets work??
532
21/01/2021 13:41:59 3 0
bbc
You may rethink that approach if you get seriously ill or injured in the next few months. I know it worries me, as well as catching Covid. I think you're a fairly young person who feels invincible. I used to feel that way too, but in middle-age, not so much.
754
21/01/2021 14:32:38 3 0
bbc
You will change your mind when you have cancer.
22/01/2021 00:50:38 0 0
bbc
Neither would Covid if the numbers were accurately recorded. Norway reported 33 deaths due to Vaccine side effects BUT said the patients were so ill they'd not blame the vaccine - had that been Covid, they'd have counted them as Covid. Then in UK Prof Heneghan says the change in method of counting means it is hard to compare cases over time, ever wonder if we are being conned?
22/01/2021 10:48:04 0 0
bbc
Cancer does
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21/01/2021 11:59:31 125 59
bbc
Why NHS is not ready?Why we constantly have to hear that mantra Save NHS etc.That's their job. That's what we pay our taxes for.
They should ALWAYS be ready for times such as this.Pandemic , natural disasters or even wars. Western societies got so comfortable, so complacent that have come to the point thinking that human suffering does not apply to them.NHS must always be ready. For everything
51
21/01/2021 12:03:07 35 83
bbc
Who are you, Captain Hindsight ?
259
21/01/2021 12:50:01 8 4
bbc
With NHS Chief Executives salaries averaging about £250,000 would a bit of foresight be too much too ask? And maybe if they did not waste £5billion a year on poor procurement practices?
Contrary to popular belief, the NHS budget has NEVER been cut. In its entire history, it has only ever gone up.
Maybe we have been expecting too much from the NHS, wanting everything for everyone.
276
21/01/2021 12:54:43 2 4
bbc
No, that Sir Keir's job
287
21/01/2021 12:57:52 3 4
bbc
"Who are you, Captain Hindsight ?"
I thought he was our Prime Minister?
466
21/01/2021 13:25:22 2 1
bbc
I would say that he would fall in =to the captain foresight bracket. Mr Hindsight remains in charge of the Labour party and still hasn't come up with any real ideas as to improve things. he just follows the same old Labour mould of politicall condem others for their actions while Labour are passive and inactive.
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Pso
21/01/2021 12:03:17 72 4
bbc
Perhaps the BBC could investigate

Why care home infections have doubled

Why so many infections acquired in hospital
76
21/01/2021 12:09:17 63 3
bbc
Investigate? Are there any investigate journalists left?
121
21/01/2021 12:16:49 20 3
bbc
There wont be any appetite for that, why would they want to expose the truth? Scarring the population into submission is the only thing on the Government, NHS and BBC agenda, along with convincing them that the only single threat to their existance is COVID.
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21/01/2021 12:40:51 16 2
bbc
The last report I saw, published in late 2020 estimated tbat around 30-35% of Covid cases in hospital were caught there. This before the new variant took hold. What we don't know is how many of them end up in deaths either from the original reason for being in hospital or from Covid itself. Whatever the subsequent cause of death, if they caught Covid in hospital it counts as a 'Covid death'
279
21/01/2021 12:55:12 9 0
bbc
Why are CV patients not in isolation hospitals, with on-site staff ?

All the staff going to and from home every day is not a good thing from an infection control viewpoint. Masks are not perfect after all.
422
21/01/2021 13:08:05 0 3
bbc
closing borders would work or testing at borders for covid
491
21/01/2021 13:28:28 10 1
bbc
Investigate, you mean BBC journalists actually have to do their job and not pick up garbage form Social media and suspect Web sites?
The whole premis behind the BBC news recently is to find and re-tell lies or bad news only
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Sam
21/01/2021 13:39:12 8 1
bbc
Good question Pso, no doubt the BBC are just getting one of their overpaid journalists to check Twitter now and will respond to you shortly with an answer quoting a well known z-list celebrity with an in depth knowledge of hair salons .....
573
21/01/2021 13:48:02 1 0
bbc
THESE PLACES NEED TO BE VACCINATED FIRST!! THAT WAY MORE STAFF AT WORK!! ISOLATING STAFF TESTED AT HOME ,,, ON FIRST DAY,, THEN?? RESTRICT ALL NON PATIENTS AT THE DOOR,, AND TEST ALL NON EMERGENCIES??
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pm
21/01/2021 14:04:33 2 1
bbc
Perhaps that there is not enough qualified staff due to lack of investment by the 'Con' artists. Before pandemic started there was over 10% vacancies for nurses & doctors. There will be even less after this wave. Nurses & Doctors are on their knees !!
21/01/2021 20:07:00 0 0
bbc
Hospitals are above criticism; you know that.
21/01/2021 22:07:24 0 0
bbc
because they are not testing all patients on admission, or discharge.
same problem as last year, they have learned nothing it seems.
22/01/2021 01:30:41 0 0
bbc
They can't that would destroy the myth that Covid kills indiscriminately and all the hard cases they manage to find under 65 wouldn't have as much terrifying potential.
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21/01/2021 12:04:31 1 3
bbc
Issue is that there's not much else they can ban that they haven't already.
I think they should just rename the rules to placate the crowd; don't call it a "lockdown", call it a "super/ultra/mega lockdown" but without actually changing the rules.
Similarly, increase the numbers of all the tiers by 1.
Stay Safe
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21/01/2021 11:59:31 125 59
bbc
Why NHS is not ready?Why we constantly have to hear that mantra Save NHS etc.That's their job. That's what we pay our taxes for.
They should ALWAYS be ready for times such as this.Pandemic , natural disasters or even wars. Western societies got so comfortable, so complacent that have come to the point thinking that human suffering does not apply to them.NHS must always be ready. For everything
54
21/01/2021 12:04:32 34 11
bbc
we don't pay enough tax to fund it, the nhs runs at 90+% capacity in normal times. hardly suprising they can't cope with a pandemic.
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Ann
21/01/2021 12:04:47 79 22
bbc
I think people have no appetite for any more restrictions. Lockdowns will not be effective anymore as people are fatigued and tired of it. The govt really focus on ramping up vaccination. Because anymore lockdown and people will revolt.
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21/01/2021 12:09:23 34 46
bbc
Unlikely as the small groups whining are just that small whiners
114
21/01/2021 12:15:08 26 6
bbc
Fatigued, tired, xhausted, struggling to maintain jobs, a roof over their head, food on the table, educate children, mental health, and survive a million and one other things bar COVID, which seems to be the only health issue that anyone now faces apparently. We are existing, and just existing, what is the point in that, we need to get back to living, and soon.
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21/01/2021 12:25:08 18 0
bbc
I'd like to know what else could close. Nurseries need to stay open for key workers; you could close takeaway premises but that will just cost more in furlough/grants for minimal gain. I don't see the benefits of a curfew either - we do our weekly big shop at 11pm in an empty supermarket - we'd just add to the crowd if it closed at 8pm.
298
21/01/2021 12:59:40 7 1
bbc
I'm already revolting :-)
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21/01/2021 13:02:15 9 18
bbc
“ I think people have no appetite for any more restrictions. ”

—-

It’s not about appetite. It’s about life and death.
423
21/01/2021 13:08:24 0 6
bbc
closing borders would work or testing at borders for covid
740
21/01/2021 14:29:43 1 0
bbc
I know some revolting people now.
21/01/2021 19:08:58 0 0
bbc
They are. The problem is vaccination supply which is out of Govt hands. Given the supply we would be doing 400-500k vaccines a day.
VoR
22/01/2021 07:34:25 0 0
bbc
Hard to revolt from Russia.
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21/01/2021 11:53:03 109 50
bbc
If infections rates have gone up during lockdown, then clearly lockdowns don't work.

So what's the answer ? Ah, more lockdowns.

This medicine is not working - here, take more of it.
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21/01/2021 12:04:50 11 13
bbc
The lockdowns do work, but need to be real lockdowns which this one clearly isnt. The virus was given the chance to massively expand during the Boris christmas debacle and once out the bag it is off and running happily. Vaccinations are great but given that no one who is actually moving around much is getting them the rate of infection is not going to change anytime soon. As for deaths...wow!
410
21/01/2021 13:23:17 1 2
bbc
There is no correlation between rise in infections and Christmas gatherings. That was on the BBC itself.
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21/01/2021 12:04:57 28 2
bbc
This entire article seems to fly in the face of the data being produced by gov.uk and the Zoe App. Both of those show a significant drop nationally in the number of infections over the last week. The March/April wave taught us that once infections begin to fall then hospitalisation, intensive care and death follow.
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21/01/2021 12:01:48 7 7
bbc
On my commute to work this morning (I work in a hospital), the amount of traffic on the road is just like pre Covid times as it is in the evenings and at weekends. Unless people stop family trips to the supermarket and click and collect, the infection rate won't go down until the vaccine has been fully rolled out.
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21/01/2021 12:05:40 1 3
bbc
We take a family (of 5) trip to the supermarket. I am the only member of the family that goes into the shop. I mask up, I sanitise. We go as a family as I cannot drive.

The amount of people I see not wearing masks properly, not making an effort to leave space, handling produce that they have no intention of purchasing. It is ridiculous.
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21/01/2021 12:09:31 0 0
bbc
Fine if only one parent goes in! I was referring to those who think it's ok for all the family to pile in - as per the other night when a family of four were taking ages to browse going up and down every aisle!
143
21/01/2021 12:20:34 1 0
bbc
4 Stay at home send the driver to the shops
Simple
2
21/01/2021 11:53:03 109 50
bbc
If infections rates have gone up during lockdown, then clearly lockdowns don't work.

So what's the answer ? Ah, more lockdowns.

This medicine is not working - here, take more of it.
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21/01/2021 12:05:47 24 14
bbc
'Lockdowns' do work when done properly as part of an overall view, see NZ, Singapore, S.Korea, Taiwan, HK, Australia or closer to home IOM.

What doesn't work is if you have an incompetent government making poor decisions at every step, acting too late and giving little or no incentive to isolate either through carrot or stick. £22bn spent on Track, Trace and Isolate and what a shambles.
22/01/2021 02:01:32 0 0
bbc
NZ hasn't opened up, SIngapore had a resurgence in their 'guest workers' not widely publicised, as for Taiwan, S Korea they are believed to have cross immunity due to MERS and SAARS - do read the literature, then Oz is forever opening up and locking down. Then IoM? LOL, seriously?
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21/01/2021 12:06:04 3 10
bbc
Infections are rising because of people mixing at work. We face some stark choices.
65
21/01/2021 12:06:44 3 2
bbc
Where's the evidence for that?
80
21/01/2021 12:09:37 2 1
bbc
Check your facts infections are not rising have been falling now for nearly a week
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NJD
21/01/2021 12:10:59 1 1
bbc
What a daft comment-what do you suggest then?-nobody works so freeze or starve to death instead!
22
21/01/2021 11:58:17 13 7
bbc
The lockdown is being comprehensively ignored round here. People have a living to make, and are doing so. You can't blame them.
61
21/01/2021 12:06:11 2 12
bbc
The trouble with that attitude is that you'll end up with a sick population AND a load of bankrupt businesses. No economy can function if a large number of its buyers and sellers are dead/dying/too unwell or too scared to work.
575
21/01/2021 13:48:49 2 0
bbc
Considering the age of those most at risk of dying would not be working your argument is slightly flawed
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Ann
21/01/2021 12:01:50 12 2
bbc
And how sure are you that the new one will ???
62
21/01/2021 12:06:18 2 3
bbc
Because they couldn't be any worse.
149
21/01/2021 12:21:37 1 0
bbc
Ask the Brazilian people
Ask the American people
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JBM
21/01/2021 12:06:24 21 9
bbc
Lockdowns have not worked.Economic meltdown will ensue.
357
21/01/2021 12:45:59 0 1
bbc
think economic meltdown arrived last march.all downhill from here.its what happens when your economy is built on sand,then the tide comes in.
64
21/01/2021 12:06:30 102 9
bbc
Dr John Lee: "No country ever improves the healthcare of its population by making itself poorer."
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Ann
21/01/2021 12:07:52 63 6
bbc
Brilliant !! Strong economy = strong nhs.
122
21/01/2021 12:16:54 22 2
bbc
The NHS is a brilliant "blue light" organisation. However as a country we are way behind many in that not enough resources go into prevention, so cure becomes the focus.
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21/01/2021 12:52:46 1 6
bbc
So, better healthcare built on the foundations of thousands and thousands of corpses almost inevitably poor corpses.
302
21/01/2021 13:00:47 11 1
bbc
No country ever improves the economy without taking care the health of its population. Countries with strong public services has done much better dealing with Covid. Investing in public service doesn't make people poorer.
414
21/01/2021 13:06:15 2 1
bbc
yeh all they had to do was stop flights or test at borders
430
21/01/2021 13:25:23 9 3
bbc
If we'd gone in harder and faster on Covid the pain would have been far shorter-lived. Countries that adopted a strategy of total suppression (Vietnam, NZ, Aus, Taiwan to name a few) are largely back to normal now, with tiny outbreaks that they stamp out very quickly so that their economies can run pretty normally. We've prob left it too late to get to a similar position without mass vaccination
475
21/01/2021 13:31:42 0 3
bbc
AGREED! and lock downs have not worked here ?? but have destroyed thousands of jobs!, and companys, along with, loads of lives??? so being poorer has done what you say
477
21/01/2021 13:31:51 1 0
bbc
Sure, if the money actually *goes* to the NHS.
662
21/01/2021 14:07:30 0 0
bbc
Absolutely. And that is exactly what this Government has done.
21/01/2021 23:42:43 1 0
bbc
Lol. We are well past the point of having a strong economy....that went when we left our major trading agreements and signed new ones worth less than 50%. You have to fund an NHS , and these idiots have spent a decade failing to do that. Failing to prevent avoidable deaths is repulsive. The acceptable level of avoidable deaths is ALWAYS zero
60
21/01/2021 12:06:04 3 10
bbc
Infections are rising because of people mixing at work. We face some stark choices.
65
21/01/2021 12:06:44 3 2
bbc
Where's the evidence for that?
16
21/01/2021 11:56:36 22 2
bbc
So what next, another half hearted lockdown speech?
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Ann
21/01/2021 12:06:47 12 1
bbc
No, how about we stay locked in small boxes with the keys given to the police till this virus disappears ?
96
21/01/2021 12:12:02 10 0
bbc
the population is much closer to that in normality than you think
67
21/01/2021 12:07:27 9 9
bbc
Been seen to allow Christmas celebrations was put above any concern for helping the NHS.
79
21/01/2021 12:09:31 6 10
bbc
I second this.

Other religions were not allowed to celebrate their faith's holidays/celebrations, but Christmas was allowed to go ahead. Hypocritical government.
81
21/01/2021 12:09:52 2 2
bbc
I decide who enters my house. The government can run and jump.
106
21/01/2021 12:13:28 0 2
bbc
gave the virus a nice chance to move round the country. now the job of getting under control is almost impossible. Ludicrous decision by Boris and co.
130
21/01/2021 12:18:28 1 1
bbc
do you think people would have "obeyed" if they'd said any different?
155
21/01/2021 12:23:00 2 1
bbc
Living in tier 4, I was not supposed to go see my family however I did.
To make sure I was free from the virus, I did not leave my house from 11th Dec until Christmas Day. I count myself lucky I could do this.

Lot's of people blaming the gov and they have got so much wrong however people are responsible for decisions they make.
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21/01/2021 11:59:27 13 8
bbc
I hope, when the pandemic has eased, that this government puts its hand its pocket and helps the NHS so that we can deal with these situations when/if they arise again.
We've been told in previous years before the pandemic that the NHS was at breaking point and this government has done nothing so I find it ironic that they are now banging the 'help the NHS' drum.
68
21/01/2021 12:07:30 12 0
bbc
What are you talking about the 'government' hasn't got a penny in it's pocket it's taxpayers money
137
21/01/2021 12:19:13 2 3
bbc
It may come from the taxpayer but the government treats it as their own piggy bank. Subsidised meals and bars in the House of Commons. Hundreds of thousands spent comissioning oil portraits of themselves. Dealing out multi-million-pound contracts to relatives, friends and neighbours. They see it as their birthright and they fully intend for portraits of their own sons to hang on the walls one day.
69
21/01/2021 12:07:41 54 6
bbc
Thought the idea was the NHS are there for us, no?
86
21/01/2021 12:10:03 8 16
bbc
you wouldn't drive a 747 over the severn bridge..
424
21/01/2021 13:08:52 1 5
bbc
NHS is lacking capacity ..underfunded
2
21/01/2021 11:53:03 109 50
bbc
If infections rates have gone up during lockdown, then clearly lockdowns don't work.

So what's the answer ? Ah, more lockdowns.

This medicine is not working - here, take more of it.
70
21/01/2021 12:07:49 25 24
bbc
Lockdowns work. It is not even up for debate.
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PJ
21/01/2021 12:25:07 17 11
bbc
They work really well at making the frail and weak frailer and weaker, that's for sure.
413
21/01/2021 13:24:03 1 0
bbc
Ony if done early enough and you don't let anyone and his wife fly in from all over the world and just 'advise' self isolating. It's too late now.
22/01/2021 02:05:36 0 0
bbc
Only on HYS, try the global scientific community, they debate it. It has no effect on virus but good at destroying economies, wait until that lot comes home to roost, even the UN predicts 100 fold more lock-down deaths than covid to date, due to destroying the global economy. UK has some 200K deaths predicted, and there is no avoiding them, too may inevitable thanks to 'saving' the NHS
64
21/01/2021 12:06:30 102 9
bbc
Dr John Lee: "No country ever improves the healthcare of its population by making itself poorer."
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Ann
21/01/2021 12:07:52 63 6
bbc
Brilliant !! Strong economy = strong nhs.
89
21/01/2021 12:10:45 23 12
bbc
not that at all

strong investment into the NHS = strong NHS
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21/01/2021 12:52:17 9 13
bbc
Strong healthcare.
Not a strong NHS as it is institutionally incompetent.
492
21/01/2021 13:34:44 1 1
bbc
AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME?? THE N.H.S. is not the health system we used to know?? ITs, THE COVID19 DISASTER ZONE?? All other ills have gone out the window,, just try getting sense out of many GP set ups!!
21/01/2021 18:48:47 0 1
bbc
We wont have an economy for much longer. The feckless or low paid will continue to not contribute (or contribute much) so the burden of taxes will be on the middle earners (40-100k). Not enough higher earners to make a big difference on tax take unless you squeeze them so tight they will leave or not bother working. We have allowed the virus to control the economy way way way too much.
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21/01/2021 11:58:58 3 6
bbc
And in other news you can travel miles to see a property that's for sale.
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21/01/2021 12:08:04 2 2
bbc
Why not? Good time to buy a house. Some security for the autumn of our lives. Great location ( an island) . No nasty neighbours who can invade you anytime. We appreciate things which you Britons take for granted. You have been given, issued with this privilege at birth for free. We had to work hard for it. Now we love this country and appreciate every minute of our lives on these shores.
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21/01/2021 12:11:21 0 0
bbc
why not?

something about a virus
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Ian
21/01/2021 11:55:14 9 17
bbc
?? We must wear masks and not break the rules

?? We must take the vaccine when called

?? We must think of others

?? Let's make a brighter future for everyone with a sense of social responsibility
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21/01/2021 12:08:30 2 1
bbc
No, NO, no and no.
74
21/01/2021 12:08:32 77 42
bbc
This weeks propaganda show the NHS in battle with pictures of struggling doctors. Truth is it always struggles this time of year!!
Don’t believe a word the government say.
But let’s continue with LD until we have no decent economy/ education is wrecked for a whole generation/ health of the nation both physically and mentally is destroyed.
Everybody seems to only die from Covid now!!
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21/01/2021 12:10:32 41 24
bbc
Sums it up perfectly.
219
21/01/2021 12:41:00 8 2
bbc
Don't worry, give it 12 months and the deaths from cancer and other currently untreated ailments will start to ramp up
227
21/01/2021 12:42:51 11 7
bbc
How is showing the truth propaganda?
292
21/01/2021 12:58:26 9 5
bbc
How is it propaganda to tell the truth?
299
21/01/2021 12:59:41 11 1
bbc
"Everybody seems to only die from Covid now!!"

Anyone going into hospital will get CV and therefore count as one for sure.

Even on pure randomness, if 3-5% of all people have had it lately then 3-5% of all deaths will be of people who have had it lately.
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Kul
21/01/2021 12:59:50 7 1
bbc
'Everybody' ? Thats not what the ONS stats say - where did you get your data from?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending8january2021

.....Of the deaths registered in Week 1, 6,057 mentioned "novel coronavirus (COVID-19)", accounting for 34.1% of all deaths in England and Wales;
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21/01/2021 13:17:43 3 6
bbc
Nonsense. Yes, NHS often struggles this time of year - but, even with the massive reduction in routine care, the load on the NHS is WAY more than normal at this time of year.

And there are lots of "normal" deaths too - you've just chosen to ignore these.

But give the virus more time to mutate and the future will be an order of magnitude more bleak.
432
21/01/2021 13:09:43 0 5
bbc
they wont show borders. millions of people coming into UK
500
21/01/2021 13:36:24 9 0
bbc
Loved the way they spun "1 in 10 trusts have no critical care beds left", and not 9/10 trusts have spare capacity.
577
21/01/2021 13:34:15 2 1
bbc
And anothe rheadline was a threat from a Union of strikes if it's membership didn't get vaccine priority.
people are fatigued of the media bull and lies form the so called exspert scientists who are clueless
625
21/01/2021 13:58:14 1 1
bbc
FOR SURE!! WE HAVE A FRIEND WHO HAD A BRAIN HAEMORRHAGE,, BUT WAS TREATED FOR 12HRS?? FOR COV19! THEN OH! HELP??
800
21/01/2021 14:43:55 1 1
bbc
Why would any government deliberately want to destroy their economy?The purpose of lockdown is to save the economy in the long run.
VoR
22/01/2021 07:41:41 0 0
bbc
There's a difference between struggles to provide it's usual service in the wake of the annual flue virus, and struggles to provide staffing for enlarged ICU units even when pulling doctors from all over the rest of the NHS.

And one year off school doesn't have to destroy education for a whole generation. Plenty of kids have had to miss one for health reasons and still gone on to succeed.
75
21/01/2021 12:08:35 6 6
bbc
Shocking rise of 50%.. Time people were shocked into being more responsible !!! Hey I know not how. There are too many selfish people on our island and they are causing more hardship longterm for the whole population.
Maybe it is time to name and shame. We are all fed up, struggling and missing normal life but most are willing* to make some sacrifices meantime. Punish the lawbreakers harder
115
21/01/2021 12:15:27 2 1
bbc
For how many years though 1 2 3 4
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Pso
21/01/2021 12:03:17 72 4
bbc
Perhaps the BBC could investigate

Why care home infections have doubled

Why so many infections acquired in hospital
76
21/01/2021 12:09:17 63 3
bbc
Investigate? Are there any investigate journalists left?
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dan
21/01/2021 13:15:38 8 0
bbc
No need for them, just repeat what the Government tell them to say!
371
21/01/2021 13:16:32 3 0
bbc
None who can spell or have a knowledge of grammar.
551
21/01/2021 13:44:34 4 1
bbc
No mate. They have been silenced. Probably wearing face nappies
21/01/2021 22:09:57 0 0
bbc
No, the media have been an utter disgrace, no hard questions asked or checking of facts and figures, just passing on what they have been told, and of course terrifying most of the population with unfounded horror stories.
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Ann
21/01/2021 12:04:47 79 22
bbc
I think people have no appetite for any more restrictions. Lockdowns will not be effective anymore as people are fatigued and tired of it. The govt really focus on ramping up vaccination. Because anymore lockdown and people will revolt.
77
21/01/2021 12:09:23 34 46
bbc
Unlikely as the small groups whining are just that small whiners
558
21/01/2021 13:45:43 5 2
bbc
No, lockdown fatigue goes lot deeper into society than small groups. A disparaging comment.
22/01/2021 02:09:28 0 0
bbc
if that keeps you happy, keep believing it.
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21/01/2021 12:05:40 1 3
bbc
We take a family (of 5) trip to the supermarket. I am the only member of the family that goes into the shop. I mask up, I sanitise. We go as a family as I cannot drive.

The amount of people I see not wearing masks properly, not making an effort to leave space, handling produce that they have no intention of purchasing. It is ridiculous.
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21/01/2021 12:09:31 0 0
bbc
Fine if only one parent goes in! I was referring to those who think it's ok for all the family to pile in - as per the other night when a family of four were taking ages to browse going up and down every aisle!
67
21/01/2021 12:07:27 9 9
bbc
Been seen to allow Christmas celebrations was put above any concern for helping the NHS.
79
21/01/2021 12:09:31 6 10
bbc
I second this.

Other religions were not allowed to celebrate their faith's holidays/celebrations, but Christmas was allowed to go ahead. Hypocritical government.
113
21/01/2021 12:14:39 3 0
bbc
Simply reflected there would have been huge non compliance.
193
21/01/2021 12:32:38 0 1
bbc
I don't remember being allowed to celebrate Easter in the traditional Christian way.
236
21/01/2021 12:44:46 1 1
bbc
Christmas is a religious festival? Is that what i think your saying?
Possibly a couple of thousand years ago, now its just a shopping and booze filled bonanza
60
21/01/2021 12:06:04 3 10
bbc
Infections are rising because of people mixing at work. We face some stark choices.
80
21/01/2021 12:09:37 2 1
bbc
Check your facts infections are not rising have been falling now for nearly a week
142
21/01/2021 12:20:29 1 0
bbc
Wrong, the daily figures mean that these are the new infections being added to yesterday's, so the number of people infected is still growing until those infected either get better or unfortunately die which is a lot lower figure than those being infected
67
21/01/2021 12:07:27 9 9
bbc
Been seen to allow Christmas celebrations was put above any concern for helping the NHS.
81
21/01/2021 12:09:52 2 2
bbc
I decide who enters my house. The government can run and jump.
82
21/01/2021 12:09:56 10 2
bbc
Excluding Hospitals, as so far fortunately we have not need to hospital treatment, our experience of the NHS is poor. NHS dentist no chance of an appointment, yet friends who see none NHS dentists, getting appointment. GP Doctors nowhere to be seen, can't treat daughter foot infection, due to Covid, yet I can get treatment if I pay. Some staff working for the NHS have become so institutionalise
110
21/01/2021 12:14:23 7 9
bbc
Because the NHS has been underfunded by the Tories. If you don't like it, stop voting for them.
29
21/01/2021 11:59:27 13 8
bbc
I hope, when the pandemic has eased, that this government puts its hand its pocket and helps the NHS so that we can deal with these situations when/if they arise again.
We've been told in previous years before the pandemic that the NHS was at breaking point and this government has done nothing so I find it ironic that they are now banging the 'help the NHS' drum.
83
21/01/2021 12:09:56 0 3
bbc
I hope THIS GOVERNMENT won't have to do anything. We have seen the Tories cutting public spending (including to the NHS) for a decade. I blame the sheeple who continue to vote for them.
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MVP
21/01/2021 11:55:44 16 9
bbc
The UK handling of this pandemic has been appalling and has lead to the highest number of deaths in Europe and a situation that is, quite frankly, out of control.

When this is all over there needs to be a full inquiry and those responsible for these failings need to face the consequences.
84
21/01/2021 12:09:57 0 5
bbc
the virus is passed from person to person you know;so avoiding contacts would halt transmission.If the infection rate has increased it is due to people mixing when they should not you cannot get round the fact that many people are ignoring the rules and then moaning that it is someone elses fault(usually the government)
85
21/01/2021 12:10:00 13 12
bbc
These charts continue to be a rolling monument to too many people's selfish, unthinking or ignorant behaviours. Too often, innocent and vulnerable others pay a terrible price and the NHS has to sweep up.

Covid is the free gift that keeps on giving.

Stay safe.
69
21/01/2021 12:07:41 54 6
bbc
Thought the idea was the NHS are there for us, no?
86
21/01/2021 12:10:03 8 16
bbc
you wouldn't drive a 747 over the severn bridge..
182
21/01/2021 12:28:55 4 1
bbc
You haven't played flight simulator then...
356
21/01/2021 13:13:38 4 0
bbc
No you wouldn't, a 747 is an aircraft, you fly aircraft, you don't drive them if you didn't know!
493
21/01/2021 13:29:56 1 0
bbc
No I'd fly it if I weren't in lockdown state
22/01/2021 02:17:21 0 0
bbc
Covid Cultists would if someone told them it was more effective than lock-down.
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21/01/2021 12:08:32 77 42
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This weeks propaganda show the NHS in battle with pictures of struggling doctors. Truth is it always struggles this time of year!!
Don’t believe a word the government say.
But let’s continue with LD until we have no decent economy/ education is wrecked for a whole generation/ health of the nation both physically and mentally is destroyed.
Everybody seems to only die from Covid now!!
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21/01/2021 12:10:32 41 24
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Sums it up perfectly.
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21/01/2021 12:10:44 13 3
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People are going to work because they have to! That is as necessary to the NHS as much as anything.
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Ann
21/01/2021 12:07:52 63 6
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Brilliant !! Strong economy = strong nhs.
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21/01/2021 12:10:45 23 12
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not that at all

strong investment into the NHS = strong NHS
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21/01/2021 12:14:38 7 1
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add "& intelligent" to "strong"
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Ann
21/01/2021 12:25:20 12 4
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You still need strong economy to make an investment.
21/01/2021 18:49:35 0 0
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Where will the money come from now then? We will be skint worse than we have ever been skint for at least 2 generations.
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21/01/2021 12:06:04 3 10
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Infections are rising because of people mixing at work. We face some stark choices.
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NJD
21/01/2021 12:10:59 1 1
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What a daft comment-what do you suggest then?-nobody works so freeze or starve to death instead!
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21/01/2021 12:12:07 1 0
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On the bright side, you'd certainly be helping the nhs.
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21/01/2021 12:10:59 5 4
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The virus has already mutated once to become more infectious, it only needs to mutate to become more deadly too, and our overpopulation problems are over!

The more entitled people ignoring the rules, the more likely this is to happen as the more virus there is out there, able to mutate.

And if you don't think it could, look at the history of previous pandemics.
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21/01/2021 12:12:57 6 2
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The virus has mutated probably 2,000 times so far... naïve to make this kind of ill informed statement
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21/01/2021 12:26:05 0 0
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No need to scare - as viruses mutate to become more infectious they usually become less deadly.
Why not? Good time to buy a house. Some security for the autumn of our lives. Great location ( an island) . No nasty neighbours who can invade you anytime. We appreciate things which you Britons take for granted. You have been given, issued with this privilege at birth for free. We had to work hard for it. Now we love this country and appreciate every minute of our lives on these shores.
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21/01/2021 12:11:21 0 0
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why not?

something about a virus
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21/01/2021 12:11:28 73 8
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You do not need to be a scientist to discern that this lockdown is not having the same effect as the April lockdown, its pretty simple, it isn't the same lockdown, therefore you cannot compare one with the other.

In April the roads were empty, the only noise was nature, this time, just go out at 7.30 and look at the traffic and listen to the noise...
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21/01/2021 12:24:12 24 54
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Yes, people believed them the first time. Now I do what I want to do and their daily-updated guidelines and rules are ignored by myself. They don't apply to my life at all and nor does the virus.
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21/01/2021 12:36:37 4 0
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For the same reason you will have tranquil silence at 8pm tonight and every Thursday.
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21/01/2021 12:27:56 12 6
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The infection rate in April had already turned down before the lockdown could possibly have taken effect due to the time lag. Covid as with all other respiratory illness is seasonal...April is the end of the respiratory season, so surprise surprise, Covid disappeared during the summer, returning once again at the start of the next respiratory season in September. So Nothing to do with lockdown.
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21/01/2021 12:57:39 6 0
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It most definitely isn't the same lockdown. I have worked through all lockdowns. March lockdown, many businesses were closed, nobody out on the streets, and all shops closed with supermarkets and pharmacies pretty much being the only outlets available. January lockdown, many businesses are open, people out on the streets going to work, and so many shops are open. You cannot compare them.
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21/01/2021 13:09:12 0 2
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Borders and flights still open no testing
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21/01/2021 16:30:44 0 1
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and because people are not behaving properly anymore
21/01/2021 19:11:21 0 0
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Yes, businesses have realised that if they dont crack on they will go bust, everyone working for them will be on the dole, unable to pay their mortgage, no food, destitute etc. People have to work. Putting food on the table & paying the mortgage is a real mind focusser! Thank goodness they are, othewise UK PLC is bankrupt.
22/01/2021 01:47:52 0 0
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Given that 72,000+ of the excess mortality occurred over the first lock-down, no wonder people don't believe it works, it didn't. Global evidence shows they have disastrous consequences on economies and no discernible effect on the virus, tho China & the Aussies love them, they must do, they keep implementing them, in the case of Oz, days after lifting them.
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21/01/2021 12:11:40 18 13
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The NHS can only cope with so many people. We need it to be there for normal things. Pushing it to breaking point with Covid cases is stupid. Yesterday someone died of covid in the UK every 47 seconds.
The virus does not travel. People move it and infect others.

Please stay home, follow the rules and keep everyone safe.
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21/01/2021 12:13:42 11 10
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Thanks for the advice I must have missed that being rammed down our throats for the last year
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21/01/2021 12:14:31 0 4
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*clicks fingers* Ethyl
*clicks fingers* Bert
*clicks fingers* Ena
*clicks fingers* Harry
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21/01/2021 12:20:08 6 1
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No they did not, yet again another deluded post. They may have died "with" COVID, but they didn't all die from COVID.
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21/01/2021 13:10:54 0 2
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nice you say that yet airports are open and people travel
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21/01/2021 12:12:02 2 7
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yet more nonsense i have been checking the local newspaper obituary page and it has not changed to above the norm ? throughout the year most of those in hospital should be at home self isolating instead of rabbiting away on their mobile phones whilst laying on their hospital bed
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21/01/2021 12:14:21 3 0
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No disrespect to your comment, but please remember that obituary entries in local/national newspapers is a choice, not a requirement. Stay safe
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21/01/2021 12:17:23 0 0
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Look at Scotland.
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Ann
21/01/2021 12:06:47 12 1
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No, how about we stay locked in small boxes with the keys given to the police till this virus disappears ?
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21/01/2021 12:12:02 10 0
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the population is much closer to that in normality than you think
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NJD
21/01/2021 12:10:59 1 1
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What a daft comment-what do you suggest then?-nobody works so freeze or starve to death instead!
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21/01/2021 12:12:07 1 0
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On the bright side, you'd certainly be helping the nhs.
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21/01/2021 12:12:07 3 3
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There's far too much reliance on vaccination. We have no idea how long the vaccine will be effective for - could be forever, could be just a few weeks - and we don't know whether vaccine recipients will still be able to pass the virus on without suffering symptoms themselves - i.e. they may just get effectively turned into more asymptomatic carriers - the last thing we need. This could end badly.
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21/01/2021 15:10:29 0 0
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So we stay in lockdown forever then by your argument
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21/01/2021 12:12:15 65 13
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A young mum bought her clearly ill and continuously coughing maskless young child into the shop where I work yesterday then allowed the child to wander around touching everything and coughing everywhere.

It's no wonder this thing keeps spreading.
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21/01/2021 12:45:44 21 7
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In Spring the advice was masks do more harm than good.
In view of the increased infection rate should we reconsider the decision to change that advice.
Having observed how many people behave with their mask: I think it's certainly debatable.
21/01/2021 19:21:09 0 0
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Why didnt you kick them out as soon as you realised this?
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21/01/2021 11:59:36 0 0
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Daily cases aren't falling by much and at least some of this is due to fewer tests being carried out compared with last week (all the data is available at gov.uk). In reality, the level of infections is probably not going anywhere.
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21/01/2021 12:12:25 0 0
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Surely there are "fewer tests being carried out" because fewer people are exhibiting signs and symptoms? Or did people take the tests previously just because they could?