Coronavirus: Priti Patel says UK should have closed borders in March 2020
20/01/2021 | news | politics | 5,020
The home secretary has been recorded telling supporters she was an "advocate" of closures last year.
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20/01/2021 12:21:01 390 19
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Quite right - and long overdue the government admits this. We are an island, and should have protected ourselves far better than we did. Sometimes you have to offend a few people in the interest of everyone else.
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20/01/2021 12:36:09 103 14
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Their hindsight is no good if it's only "Well yes we should have done things differently and the different was more sensible... ho hum, live goes on, what are you going to do about it?"
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20/01/2021 13:17:02 3 20
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We are an island but too dependent on other nations for food. If we had have closed the borders which are no doubt still wide open, to protect ourselves, we would have been left hungry. I bet more traffic comes in through seaports than airports since the lockdown. No government either Tory or a Labour one has the gift of hindsight. No government would have handled this well.
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20/01/2021 13:20:41 12 0
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all asian countries test for covid at borders
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20/01/2021 13:56:35 2 2
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if you offend people in Britain they push you out of the job
20/01/2021 14:14:20 2 7
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Strange how the Chief Scientific Officer said this morning on Sky that it would have made little difference closing the border.
20/01/2021 15:08:57 0 3
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You don't have to worry about peoples jobs and the economy.
20/01/2021 22:09:46 0 0
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BBC: ''But it is clear the virus was here and spreading by that point.''

It would have made no difference - read that article, not just the headline!
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20/01/2021 12:21:12 56 10
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March? Nope too late. January/February would perhaps have made a real difference, especially before the end of the Chinese New Year celebrations.
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20/01/2021 12:24:27 66 10
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Agreed... but it took Boris a further year to enact anything.... this is shocking
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20/01/2021 12:31:09 5 1
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the ski season in Italy, Swiss and France comes to mind also
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20/01/2021 12:38:04 2 8
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Does anybody beleive that the chinese lockdown in Wuhan was the end to their Covid deaths?? But we beleive our lockdowns will work???
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20/01/2021 13:03:48 5 2
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not possible,all bozo' mates were away skiing
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20/01/2021 13:23:35 4 0
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18 million people passed through the airports in UK since then
20/01/2021 17:14:02 1 0
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Especially before the schools went on their half term ski trips to northern italy in February.
21/01/2021 01:07:34 0 0
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If only we knew about it before the Chinese New year.why didn't china stop all flights into the China. But they waited to after their new year before telling Who about the virus even though they knew about back in Sept 2019.
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20/01/2021 12:21:21 9 14
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Hindsight is a wonderful virtue.
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20/01/2021 12:26:54 16 4
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Not quite.

Remember the quarantine of people arriving from China, with buses with police escort etc. ???

Yet, when Italy had a surge, people were allowed to enter the country without any restrictions.

The government failed, yet everyone could see the issue and were astounded that the borders were not closed.
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20/01/2021 12:58:39 6 1
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You need to learn to spell "foresight". It's not a virtue, it's a skill. A skill Bojo utterly lacks.
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20/01/2021 12:21:34 21 2
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Why do politicians need to try and be in the press as much as they can...rather than talk about what should have happened LETS SEE WHAT YOU ARE DOING NOW!!!!!
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20/01/2021 12:21:39 24 17
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If I remember correctly people who suggested closing our borders last March were roundly denounced as racists
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20/01/2021 12:23:15 12 12
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racist against corona? or are you confussed?
corona isnt a race
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20/01/2021 12:23:52 8 7
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I don't. You're just making stuff up.
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20/01/2021 12:55:05 8 4
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I recall reading the same thing.

Time to stop listening to the demented liberal snowflakes out there and find some backbone. Contrary to what some may think, not every decision made by government (any government) is somehow based on race.

Some people just want to take offence at absolutely anything though
She would stab her own granma in the back this woman Removed
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20/01/2021 12:33:17 22 3
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I doubt she'd manage to hit that target either
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20/01/2021 12:22:13 48 6
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She's right. Hindsight is wonderful isn't it?

Public health should have taken priority over money and the fear of being called racist.
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20/01/2021 12:30:53 51 2
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This isn't an issue of hindsight, it's a question of why the PM continuously ignores the advice he receives or delays its implementation and then attacks people calling them captain hindsight to question why he made the decisions he made
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20/01/2021 13:25:03 3 0
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public domestic health also would have benefited domestic economy if we had less covid
20/01/2021 14:01:54 3 0
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testing at borders is key to reducing mutation of covid and the quarantine at hotels
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20/01/2021 12:22:33 63 9
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Then why did she not act at the time.

Incompetent Hypocrite
20/01/2021 19:42:27 6 4
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Maybe her crystal ball was usb charging at the time?

Lots of Lefties on here whining about Captain Hindsight being very aptly christened “Captain Hindsight”.

I must resolve to refer to him like this far more often!
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20/01/2021 12:22:36 948 42
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Priti Patel says the UK should have closed its borders in March 2020

Why didn't she speak up at the time?

She was Home Secretary after all and surely her views would have been taken into account?
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20/01/2021 12:40:53 207 460
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She did
Ignored by civil service, while Boris the PHE puppet did what he was told. No wonder she wants to bang their heads together
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20/01/2021 12:46:16 75 11
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I imagine, that she will blame the last Labour Government. And you know what? Some people will believe her too!
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RK
20/01/2021 12:50:02 23 8
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He speaks to herself only. Hence we have issues with immigration and Covid. This Government needs to go we have to somehow throw them out as we have had Brexit now we do not need them.
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Dee
20/01/2021 12:57:32 17 2
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She hasn't been able to close borders at all, going by the numbers still travelling from one safe country to this one.
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20/01/2021 13:19:16 18 1
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Too buddy with Boris.
if she spoke up white people would have it in for her Removed
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20/01/2021 13:37:20 17 6
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Because she is a puppet minister only given the job because of her rabid support for Brexit. Like the rest of the cabinet, selected for the same reason, she is woefully under skilled to do the job. Hence constant government failure and u-turns.
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20/01/2021 13:55:12 6 2
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BBC journalists never said anything to PM too on why borders were open with no testing .
20/01/2021 14:13:11 7 2
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Cabinet collective responsibility.
Priti doesn't get to breach that now by suggesting she held any other view.
Such breach deserves sack or resignation, but this is Priti...
MVS
20/01/2021 14:17:08 4 1
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We have a quaint and old fashioned concept in this country of collective responsibility at Cabinet level. Who knows if she did or did not speak up in Cabinet? But once a decision is made it is the duty of all Cabinet ministers to support that decision or resign.
AMc
20/01/2021 14:36:49 6 10
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She did, but over paid do nothing lovies in the home office didn't like her creating ripples and occasionally shouting.

Let's be honest and sensible, define closing the borders, what stop all export and imports of essentials. At best it might have delayed it by a tiny bit.

We the public are the ones spreading it, until WE take responsibility thousands more will die.
20/01/2021 15:35:20 1 4
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Unfortunately , as to this day , Sage , as Government, scientific scientists are ADVISING the Government .....
Any blame should be aimed at them....
20/01/2021 15:37:47 1 0
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The cabinet members rightly will express a variety of views (diversity!) and then arrive at a decision. It’s called collective cabinet responsibility. If a cabinet member is unable to accept the decision then they resign. In cabinet as in life you don’t always get your own way.
20/01/2021 15:52:04 1 0
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She did.....to the PM who ignored her.....as he did the COBRA meetings.
20/01/2021 15:59:26 1 1
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She’s speaking up now to distract from the scandal brewing elsewhere in her department - the criminal records fiasco!
20/01/2021 15:59:45 0 0
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Yes. Should have spoken up publicly.
20/01/2021 16:35:45 0 1
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But to be fair to Boris, he probably didn't hear what Priti Patel said as he was on holiday.
20/01/2021 16:39:16 1 0
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Maybe, just maybe she’s aspiring to be PM Herself. These things always leaked on purpose. God help us if I’m right
fos
20/01/2021 16:41:27 0 0
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Sage advised against.The government either does or doesn’t follow scientific advice
20/01/2021 17:06:09 0 0
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Actually she did, but the govt. decided not to follow her advise.
20/01/2021 17:10:52 0 0
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In the first paragraph Ms Patel did speak up to close the borders but was overruled by BJ.
20/01/2021 17:16:34 0 0
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It was everywhere by March. 2 months too late.
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20/01/2021 12:22:40 693 25
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I don't recall her saying anything at the time.
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20/01/2021 12:28:54 693 198
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Can this mark the end of that pathetic attempt by the right to label Keir Starmer as "Captain Hindsight".
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20/01/2021 12:39:38 33 72
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Yes she did. So did Dom C

Talked out by the civil service and not wanting to have loads of ski holiday kiddies moaning about being 'dumped in Verbier because they were too stupid to cancel'.

Just imagine all the sob stories on the BBC and Grauniad if we had shut the borders
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20/01/2021 12:47:11 64 13
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She was too concerned with closing borders to 200 migrants on a boat at the time.
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20/01/2021 12:48:58 25 2
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20/01/2021 12:49:17 36 9
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She's just trying to make sure that when there's eventually an inquest/witch-hunt over the government's handling of all this; she will have already put herself on record as being on the "right" side of the debate.
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20/01/2021 12:52:26 17 38
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No one else in the world except Trump did this. Not a single country in Europe, so if the UK screwed up, so did the rest of the world, except Trump!
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20/01/2021 13:04:29 10 1
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You must remember her presser, today eleventy million, sixteen thousand hundred and ninety twelve people have tested positive for Corona Virus......
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20/01/2021 13:23:20 1 2
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Or could Pritti be telling Porky's, just to placate her supporters
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20/01/2021 13:28:36 1 2
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Exactly.
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20/01/2021 13:31:22 2 0
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Once cabinet makes a decision ALL ministers are supposed to support that decision.
There was massive pressure to keep the travel trade functioning.
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20/01/2021 13:55:00 1 1
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BBC journalists never said anything to PM too on why borders were open with no testing
20/01/2021 14:09:21 1 0
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Might be because she didn’t. Back then it was herd immunity and all about the money.
20/01/2021 14:25:39 0 0
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Collective Cabinet Responsibility.
20/01/2021 14:27:56 1 0
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There's a recorded video conversation where she makes the remark, or are you going to go all Trump-like and say that it is fake?
AMc
20/01/2021 14:36:37 1 0
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She did, but over paid do nothing lovies in the home office didn't like her creating ripples and occasionally shouting.

Let's be honest and sensible, define closing the borders, what stop all export and imports of essentials. At best it might have delayed it by a tiny bit.

We the public are the ones spreading it, until WE take responsibility thousands more will die.
20/01/2021 14:54:54 1 0
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She may have been in Israel exceeding her remit by holding illegal meetings
20/01/2021 15:00:34 1 1
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True, she was in hiding over bullying and Windrush
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No
20/01/2021 12:22:55 183 12
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We didn't need scientists or politicians to tell us that.... Ludicrous decision to keep any borders open after the outbreak.....
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Bob
20/01/2021 13:52:35 22 84
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The WHO advised, and still does I believe, against closing borders.

It was hardly an unusual act to not close them. Besides, if we had taken action when other countries like New Zealand took action it would have already been far too late to stop the rapid growth.
20/01/2021 15:53:18 13 3
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I specifically remember in February looking at the world map - red dots everywhere but the UK - and thinking

"We HAVE to shut our borders NOW whilst we've got chance."

I also remember endless BBC coverage of an extremely small amount Brits stuck on cruise ships wanting sympathy and thinking "sorry, but tough luck".

... Then we let them back in anyway.

... and kept our borders open!!!??!!?!!!!!
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Waz
20/01/2021 12:23:12 312 33
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Anyone else have a hunch she is as bad as Boris?
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Gio
20/01/2021 12:44:46 295 39
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No, she is far worse than Johnson or anyone else in that talentless, subpar cabinet. A true viper.
They are all as bad as each other - Just in it for themselves and don't care about anyone else - Just look as The Idiot Hancock in a Park on Sunday with no mask - spreading covid - after bleeting on to us about wearing a Mask - sack the moron! Removed
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20/01/2021 13:22:00 1 11
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nah she just isnt taken seriously
20/01/2021 14:44:21 13 3
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I'm tempted to say worse - but I don't think the competency scale goes that low.
20/01/2021 18:19:37 4 1
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It's starting to look like she is after his job though.
20/01/2021 19:07:01 5 0
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She is just the female Nigel Farage in disguise, so probably worse than Boris.
20/01/2021 22:11:20 0 0
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WORSE
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20/01/2021 12:21:39 24 17
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If I remember correctly people who suggested closing our borders last March were roundly denounced as racists
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20/01/2021 12:23:15 12 12
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racist against corona? or are you confussed?
corona isnt a race
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20/01/2021 12:23:23 56 5
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Did you hear Boris trying to deflect from this in PMQs. Attacks labour for having the same viewpoint as him back then but wouldnt explain why he rejected the advice of his own home secretary (which labour would not have received).

omnishambles
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20/01/2021 12:23:28 5 12
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Ah, but Brexit hadn't happened and everyone knows no country in the EU is able to control its borders.
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20/01/2021 13:47:24 5 0
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Brexit had happened. But of course, things are different now. Now we have so much more control of our borders, which allows us to stop Scottish fisherman giving British fish to the Spanish, allows us to prevent supermarkets stocking their NI stores etc. Oh...
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20/01/2021 12:23:30 947 30
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Priti Patel says the UK should have closed its borders in March 2020 in light of the coronavirus pandemic....Talk about stating the bleeding obvious. I am an ordinary man and I said in February 2020 when Covid came to light big time that we should lock up shop. We are an island so it would have been easy to do. So many lost lives letting people travel without being tested and quarantined.
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20/01/2021 12:46:15 630 36
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Well said, chum. Never a truer word. Of course the reason we, sorry, the UK Tory Government chose not to close the borders was, as always, down to money.
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S
20/01/2021 12:49:54 47 8
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Unfortunately, protecting lives has never been the real aim of this government - their "balancing act" was only to keep businesses happy and the light touch approach, inconsistencies and flagrant disregard of their own rules (Cummins and now Boris's bike ride) means we have one of the highest infection and death rates in the world because noone takes the any of the rules seriously!
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20/01/2021 12:54:20 43 6
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Absolutely spot on. New Zealand managed to do it and look at them now!
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20/01/2021 12:57:54 22 39
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Most of the lost lives caused by selfish morons who refused to follow the rules actually!!! They're still going out for days out all over the country. You one of them?
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20/01/2021 13:09:46 3 3
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absolutely agree!
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20/01/2021 13:20:16 6 2
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Boris refused
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20/01/2021 13:24:31 0 4
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See my comment today
Carolyn
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20/01/2021 13:35:49 20 5
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Well I advocated back in January we should have closed border. It was so bleeding obvious. Now we are suffering as a result of govt failures.
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20/01/2021 14:01:56 15 2
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Lots of people, myself included said the same thing back in February 2020. New Zealand did exactly that. The Island of Guernsey managed it's borders well and is not currently in lock down with very few cases. With Boris in charge the UK has been inept and always behind on measures to tackle covid contributing to higher levels of transmission and deaths in the UK compared to other countries.
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20/01/2021 13:55:46 2 2
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BBC journalists never said anything to PM too

abit obvious and China tests at borders and airports
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20/01/2021 14:02:39 1 0
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Well said buddy
20/01/2021 14:13:18 10 0
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Absolutely the obvious and common sense thing to do - even if with experience and a proper working test and trace system it was later relaxed. Protect first and relax when possible. It would cost, but less than it currently will with the indecision , bluster, false promises, delayed action, etc., we've had.
20/01/2021 14:27:53 16 2
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And all the idiots going on skiing holidays to Italy etc, how many people have they killed my bringing the virus back with them.
20/01/2021 14:33:11 3 4
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Easy ? How many international airports do we have, as well as numerous sea ports all within easy reach of other European countries ? If you think closing that would be easy you have no understanding of practical logistics, let alone an understanding of ‘people’s rights’
AMc
20/01/2021 14:37:02 2 3
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She did, but over paid do nothing lovies in the home office didn't like her creating ripples and occasionally shouting.

Let's be honest and sensible, define closing the borders, what stop all export and imports of essentials. At best it might have delayed it by a tiny bit.

We the public are the ones spreading it, until WE take responsibility thousands more will die.
20/01/2021 14:40:14 4 1
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"Pandemic for dummies -Prime Minister's edition" - " if virus manages to spread halfway round the world with its human hosts, you might want to think about closing your borders so none of them get into your country". Chapter 1, page 1. All the mistakes that have been made are thrown into relief more than ever right now!
Dew
20/01/2021 14:41:18 0 0
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??
20/01/2021 14:49:28 4 0
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Most of the people I met at the time said so but we’re only simple people, not clever people like politicians.
20/01/2021 15:06:47 1 2
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May you should run for MP as you know so much?
20/01/2021 15:12:05 0 0
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Agree. As well as the lost lives, hundreds of thousands of ruined lives from lockdowns, lost business, other illnesses. And heaven help our children. What a mess
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20/01/2021 16:24:50 1 0
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Same here. I couldn’t believe it. The Isle of Man did just that and virtually got rid of the virus. Life was normal there. Recently they’ve had to lockdown but that’s on the back of about 12 cases. So they can aim to eradicate it with lockdown not just reduce it a bit like here. It’s a scandal that we’re in this state as an island.
20/01/2021 16:28:50 1 0
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and just how long would you have kept the borders closed for? presumably they would still be shut as the virus is still about.
20/01/2021 16:35:04 1 0
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If the border had been closed then it would have blown apart the Brexit "take back control of our borders because we can't do it because we're in the EU". Hence why we've closed our borders now due "unidentified variants " as opposed to last year when we had identified the virus. Simplest.
fos
20/01/2021 16:47:32 1 1
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Easy to do? Don’t be so ridiculous try and think it through.It would have involved stranding over a million U.K. citizens overseas.Presumably you stop flights which denies people in the U.K. going home. All road transport between Eire U.K. and Eu U.K. stops shutting most industry and 30% of food.Cargo boats and goods flights also bring viral cases so stop them it’s rationing of food and medicine.
20/01/2021 17:04:37 4 0
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We at the bottom were all saying the same. It’s the idiots at the top with no common sense that don’t listen that’s the problem. We need a new way forward because this 2 party state doesn’t work, and that’s been proven for decades now. We need a party that represents the majority not bounces round from one extreme to the other. Trim down Parliament and get rid of the hangers on in Lords.
20/01/2021 17:05:13 2 0
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I remember March 2020. There was no recognition in the general public that this was a big problem. I recall seeing friends social media posts - they were all carrying on as normal upto lockdown. I went to the pub the weekend before lockdown. So if you were pressing for closure of airports at the time, you'd have been the only one in the UK. I think this is another Captain hindsight moment
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20/01/2021 12:23:32 1372 54
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The issue of border closures here has been handled like Yes Minister’s 4 stage strategy:

“In stage 1 we say, nothing’s going to happen.
Stage 2: something maybe going to happen but we should do nothing about it.
Stage 3: perhaps we should do something about it but there’s nothing we can do.
Stage 4: maybe there was something we could have done but it’s too late now.”
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20/01/2021 12:27:49 1126 160
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Stage 5, call the opposition leader captain hindsight for pointing out the governments failures.
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20/01/2021 13:13:44 113 5
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The BMA produced a report on the virus mid-January and WHO were telling anyone that would listen how dire the virus was, so yes we should have closed our borders and had quarantine and testing in place well before March.
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20/01/2021 13:17:53 97 5
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Actually, The above strategy seems to be the one applied to pretty much everything they do.
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20/01/2021 13:20:34 168 14
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So you are the Home Secretary. Your main responsibility is securing the homeland and keeping the people safe. You believe there is a serious threat to the people from overseas, and the best way to counter it is to close the borders.
The PM overrules you. Any Home Secretary with a sense of duty and honour would have resigned on the spot.
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20/01/2021 13:21:18 8 192
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Stupid decision to close borders and another stab in the back to the travel sector.

Open all borders now.
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20/01/2021 13:19:37 57 8
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all asian countries test at borders...they have less covid
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20/01/2021 13:54:27 6 3
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BBc journalists never asked the PM either why borders and airports are still open during the pandemic

You can still go to an airport and catch a flight
20/01/2021 14:15:25 21 3
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Brilliant.this government has completely mishandled this issue.doors should have shut instantly but i think this bunch put money before lives.
Dew
20/01/2021 14:40:30 5 0
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Excellent! It is like Yes Minister!
20/01/2021 14:58:40 6 0
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That requires a level planning of which these guys seem incapable. Lockdowns aren't lockdowns if thousands of people are entering the country on a daily basis. There's no surprise there, it was obvious at the start of the pandemic.
20/01/2021 15:02:51 1 0
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....but minister we still have 1.28 million Brits overseas who are desperate to get back. The BBC and other media, plus, HYS are saying we should use the military'.
'What should I do Humphry?'
'You are between a rock and a hard place, minister, you cannot win'
'What about the 230,000 who went out last month for the religious festival in India?.
'Well you did warn them, minister'.
'Oh flip!'
20/01/2021 15:21:52 5 0
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Because effectively NOTHING has changed in UK politics since the 19th century! The tiny bit of change that did happen we just reversed.
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20/01/2021 12:23:36 12 3
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She's right. For nearly a year we've lived with increasing domestic restrictions. Don't go to work, the gym, the pub. Don't see people. Don't leave your area. Lockdowns turned into Tiers which turned into lockdowns, internal borders were closed, but external border remained open. So we got infected from South Africa then we infected Denmark, and now we jave another lockdown. Why was this allowed??
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20/01/2021 12:21:39 24 17
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If I remember correctly people who suggested closing our borders last March were roundly denounced as racists
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20/01/2021 12:23:52 8 7
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I don't. You're just making stuff up.
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20/01/2021 12:26:46 6 4
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I do.
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20/01/2021 12:21:12 56 10
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March? Nope too late. January/February would perhaps have made a real difference, especially before the end of the Chinese New Year celebrations.
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20/01/2021 12:24:27 66 10
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Agreed... but it took Boris a further year to enact anything.... this is shocking
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20/01/2021 12:24:28 8 6
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Stupid woman
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20/01/2021 12:24:44 43 6
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Well, she's right. Look at Taiwan on China's doorstep - a handful of deaths and no lockdowns. I imagine the only reason we kept borders open is financial greed and underestimating the virus.
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JD
20/01/2021 12:29:52 7 36
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It is not 'greedy' to try and keep some vestige of the economy alive.
It is essential for the health and security of us all.
20/01/2021 15:05:13 3 0
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And throw in a fair dolop of incompetence and disinterest on Johnson's part back then.
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20/01/2021 12:24:46 21 7
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We should also have elected a competent Government too, then we would all be in a far better position regarding Covid.
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20/01/2021 12:28:19 13 22
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Problem is there wasn't one on offer... the nation overwhelmingly chose the only sensible option available at the time.

Imagine if Corbyn was in Number 10 now and maths wizard Abbot was Home Secretary... we'd be hearing tales of how our new comradeship with Venezuela will yield a vaccine in just 1 or 2 decades.
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20/01/2021 12:30:16 6 3
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But for that we needed at least one competent choice!
20/01/2021 15:19:03 0 1
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Sadly there wasn't one on offer last time around. For the first time in my 50 voting years I was politically homeless.
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20/01/2021 12:25:03 7 1
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Revealing that when it suits to public mood ... coincidence? Now the question is did she really support it or is it just to get popularity ?
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20/01/2021 12:27:53 5 1
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Wonder who was home-sec at the time .. .
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20/01/2021 12:25:25 58 6
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Priti Patel don’t you take credit for that comment!

Us peasants out here have said our boarders should have been closed right from the start. Before March even. January!!!!
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20/01/2021 12:25:26 26 2
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I thought the Tories called Starmer Captain Hindsight? Despite Patel this morning and Starmer telling Johnson what he should do days before he reluctantly does it...
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Neb
20/01/2021 12:25:28 372 40
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This Government needs to stop blaming everything on hindsight.

Other countries did and have done better, ones which primarily placed human life higher than the economy / money.

But it's the conservatives, so what did people expect?
Yes, let's ban everything until death is completely eradicated. It is a scandal that bedridden octogenerians, with serious health problems, do not live forever. Removed
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20/01/2021 13:54:42 34 4
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"placed human life higher than the economy / money" is incorrect - the countries that tackled the virus firmly have not only had far lower rates of infection and death, but have avoided the worst economic impacts. In Britain we have the worst of all worlds, with soaring infections resulting in prolonged and repeated lockdowns, devastating the economy too.
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20/01/2021 13:58:34 19 1
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Of course, Neb..and don't forget those countries as well as saving lives have also had less damage to their economies too.
20/01/2021 14:06:15 10 7
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Not sure it is that simple.
As a cherry-picked example, Peru 'did everything right' with the longest and strictest lockdown in the world but had a similar outbreak to Brazil which had a very chaotic response.
Of course, Peru is very different from Western Europe, but it is a counterexample to the narrative of "lockdown = success"
20/01/2021 14:57:49 3 4
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Europe as a whole failed to close borders early enough

when restrictions were put in place out came the industry and media tribes complaining about quarantine etc

Starmer was against even quarantine https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/quarantine-uk-travel-industry-self-isolation-keir-starmer-coronavirus-a9554076.html

Common problem for all politicians- facts keep changing.
P2
20/01/2021 16:29:06 3 0
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Ironically if we’d have prioritised people over money we’d probably have done better financially!
20/01/2021 16:33:32 2 2
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Which countries have done much better? Who has ignored the economy and preserved human life at all costs? Give some examples.
20/01/2021 17:20:58 2 1
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I have read extensively about other country’s reaction to their govts reaction to covid, Israel apart, they’ve all been whinging the same old prattle about their govts. The truth is not important to today’s wokeists, obviously !
Leo
20/01/2021 18:41:04 0 0
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Lets open our doors to everyone. Humm the economy/financial stability don't matter. we'll all pay 70% plus, more even in tax. We will build over our farmland the schools, houses we need.

There will be no social unrest of course. The unrest round Brexit was a dream. The working class, probably don't u/stand, but we will explain it to them.

The economy/money matter.
20/01/2021 19:09:23 1 0
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In fairness inept and generic government where nothing much happens and then when things go wrong nothing still happens is the trademark of British govt since I can remember. Rather like all the world cups we go to to win, then get knocked out in round 2. "Lessons have been learned" Probably by everyone else but us, on balance.
20/01/2021 19:59:08 0 0
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Tell that to the thousands who've already been laid off, nitwit!
20/01/2021 22:10:17 0 0
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''Other countries did and have done better,''

No they haven't!
21/01/2021 00:49:52 0 0
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Other countries have not. done better . Why didn't Italy stop school parties going there in the February half term. I But then in Feb we were told by WHO we couldn't pass it person to person and children didn't get it. This was a new virus that no one had dealt with before. And it was proved that it was here back in Dec 2019. And in Italy Sept.2019.
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20/01/2021 12:25:50 2 5
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I closed my door to visitors, covid still came to visit when my son brought it back from school.
You can try all you like, but with our population density and mobility, the consequences were inevitable, sadly.
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20/01/2021 12:39:59 5 1
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This is a classic non-sequitur. The consequences could have been far less damaging - you only need to look around the world to see countries that did a better job.
Britain is an island - its really not that hard, but it would have taken political courage, which clearly our leaders don't have.
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20/01/2021 12:26:11 615 51
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She never said a word at the time. She was too busy defending Cummins indiscretions. Now she is trying to deflect responsibility over the little matter of deleted criminal records.
The problem we have in this country is a leader who hasn't a clue how to lead. It doesn't matter what party that man belonged to, history will say he was the wrong man at the wrong time.
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20/01/2021 12:42:05 127 513
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Yes she did, and so did Dom

Lesson of this - Dom & Priti were right.

Starmer quotes anybody to be Captain Hindsight
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20/01/2021 13:21:23 2 13
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she coudnt say anything they would go after her and make her quit
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20/01/2021 13:55:59 2 25
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BBC journalists never said anything to PM too
20/01/2021 14:07:36 19 4
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Deflecting responsibility is probably thing she has any aptitude for. Apart from making the windows freeze over in every room she walks into.
20/01/2021 14:09:58 8 22
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She did say it at the time but there were more cabinet members who wanted to keep borders open to protect the economy.
It's easy with hindsight, what if we had shut all the borders and the pandemic had just fizzled out?
People would now be screaming that their businesses had been ruined for nothing, people with holidays booked would be fuming with the government.
20/01/2021 14:23:02 5 2
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She wouldnt want to upset Ian Duncan Smith by making too big a point of it
20/01/2021 14:28:35 1 7
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"deflect responsibility over the little matter of deleted criminal records"

There is a difference between responsibility and accountability that you should be aware of. Whilst this has happened, the Minister is not "responsible" - unless you know for a fact she pressed the delete button?
20/01/2021 14:36:09 5 1
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He's always been the wrong person at the wrong time - but you try telling the few remaining Brexiteers! Fishing industry soon changed their tune with project reality!
AMc
20/01/2021 14:37:32 3 5
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She did, but over paid do nothing lovies in the home office didn't like her creating ripples and occasionally shouting.

Let's be honest and sensible, define closing the borders, what stop all export and imports of essentials. At best it might have delayed it by a tiny bit.

We the public are the ones spreading it, until WE take responsibility thousands more will die.
20/01/2021 15:07:43 0 3
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That old chestnut again.
20/01/2021 16:28:49 1 2
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History will say that he delivered Brexit, after being elected with an 80 seat majority.
20/01/2021 17:13:11 0 0
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Again, it’s been widely reported that Pritti did speak up at the time.
20/01/2021 17:39:45 0 0
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What oyu are saying is simply untrue
20/01/2021 18:48:16 0 0
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Cough..the video on BBC ?
20/01/2021 22:08:47 0 0
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What a pathetic comment!
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20/01/2021 12:26:28 6 6
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Hindsight is wonderful.

A number of people said we should be doing that, however at the time the scientific advice said otherwise.

Yes it was wrong, but we had to get our own people home anyway, or should they have been abandoned?

Comments like this aren't helpful especially as there will be a full and detailed inquiry that will show everything up and not through rose tinted spectacles
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20/01/2021 12:35:59 6 1
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Nonsense. Other countries followed their scientific advice and heavily restricted arrivals early. Citizens of Australia, NZ and other places were allowed home, but foreign nationals weren't allowed to fly there.
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20/01/2021 12:49:03 2 1
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Repatriation is very different to "Business (primarily) and leisure travel can still take place"
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20/01/2021 12:26:33 59 3
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Perhaps someone should tell Patel that she is in the Govt. That means you can go around makin rules, like restrictin people travellin to the UK.
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20/01/2021 12:44:59 51 2
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Perhaps they should also point out that as Home Secretary she is the one responsible for setting such policy
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20/01/2021 13:24:35 0 1
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if she did that they would sack her
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MVP
20/01/2021 12:26:34 32 3
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It looks like Priti Patel has become Captain Hindsight.
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20/01/2021 12:44:37 7 12
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No, she is Admiral right at the time and all along.

Same as Dom
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20/01/2021 13:25:27 0 0
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nah she knows seeing other asian countries. they test at borders and have low covid
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20/01/2021 12:26:40 14 1
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What does 'I was an advocate" mean exactly? Maybe she told a friend.
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20/01/2021 12:23:52 8 7
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I don't. You're just making stuff up.
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20/01/2021 12:26:46 6 4
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I do.
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20/01/2021 12:21:21 9 14
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Hindsight is a wonderful virtue.
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20/01/2021 12:26:54 16 4
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Not quite.

Remember the quarantine of people arriving from China, with buses with police escort etc. ???

Yet, when Italy had a surge, people were allowed to enter the country without any restrictions.

The government failed, yet everyone could see the issue and were astounded that the borders were not closed.
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Cam
20/01/2021 12:27:02 294 21
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Wow. Only taken her 10 months to suss this out. How does she still have a job???
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20/01/2021 13:08:50 171 20
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Because she’s a puppet who ties the ERG line
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Bob
20/01/2021 13:43:10 3 4
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996
20/01/2021 13:58:00 1 1
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she knew but Boris didnt want to close borders
20/01/2021 15:22:54 1 0
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or most of them......
20/01/2021 16:02:57 3 1
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I assume she has other talents that appeal to Boris...
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20/01/2021 12:27:08 140 13
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Sure we were still accepting flights from Wuhan all the way through the first wave weren't we? Idiotic. Common sense was to shut up shop. Cost a lot of lives
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20/01/2021 12:32:21 51 10
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Actually I think it was only British nationals being repatriated able to fly to UK from Wuhan then, and they were meant to "quarantine"
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20/01/2021 13:23:09 11 1
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covids all over EU. Boris kept flights going especially from spain and italy
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Bob
20/01/2021 13:44:55 13 2
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Less than 1% of imported cases to this country came from China. It wasn't Asia that was the problem, it was Europe.
20/01/2021 19:12:28 2 0
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We were more at risk from flights from Italy, Germany, and later Spain.

...I am a remainer. But open borders in a pandemic was idiotic.
20/01/2021 19:17:34 2 0
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Most of the infections in the UK came from Italy, not Wuhan, That was part of the problem, at the time the focus was on the Chinese source, not any other.
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20/01/2021 12:27:17 485 61
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Priti making a move for a better job.
Back stabbing snake in the grass who goes rogue at the drop of a hat.
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20/01/2021 12:35:32 405 27
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The female Gove
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20/01/2021 13:22:17 28 5
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It's the Tory way.... It's in their DNA! !!
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she is good
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20/01/2021 13:26:35 14 3
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Through a leaked private call? She's doing it very subtly then isn't she?
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20/01/2021 13:35:09 34 3
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Well it's what Johnson did to May, who was a much more capable, intelligent PM than he could ever be. The thought of having a lying bully as PM is exhausting.
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20/01/2021 13:43:49 3 12
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Tortured metaphor prize goes to you.

Snakes don't have arms or hands silly so how can they backstab?

They don't have ear lobes but they could probably still wear a hat, possibly a top hat and a monocle.
20/01/2021 14:29:11 9 2
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Oh so Priti vacant.

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xlr
20/01/2021 14:34:43 17 3
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Seriously though - have you ever known a Tory to have moral qualms about taking advantage of others? Their whole political creed is based on it!

Even Rory Stewart, pitched by the media as a man of principle, would be happy to vote renters out on the street or allow trade deals with countries that commit genocide. The things they've done so far with their 80 majority have been pretty horrific.
20/01/2021 14:41:52 5 0
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Lets just hope she doesn't take the pm job, she certainty has a lot over the media and mp's. Nearly every negative story and thier has been a few never gets the same coverage as others for far less or calls to stand down. She is a dangerous person to hand power too in my opinion
WM
20/01/2021 15:20:44 0 2
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I wouldn't be disappointed if she did.
20/01/2021 15:21:57 3 0
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Williams is so very right, like all snakes in the grass they bite your ankles so they can not be seen then voice someone else did it! Be careful all, this rogue has all the makings and skills of being the next leader of the Conservative party..........try to watch your ankles Boris she out to get you......!!
20/01/2021 16:29:45 1 0
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And how did Starmer get rid of Corbyn?
20/01/2021 17:03:37 0 0
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She's a Tory, what do you expect? Integrity?
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My thoughts exactly. I think she’s pretty low calibre.
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20/01/2021 12:27:45 4 6
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They should have taken this more seriously however the Government is not fully to blame. You only have to walk to the local shop to see people who don’t take this seriously and they will be as responsible for allowing this virus to kill many. Unfortunately they are so ignorant that many have and continue to die due to their stupidity!
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20/01/2021 12:31:36 7 1
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But the government could stop people etravling to the UK.
They could also have set a good example by all obeying the rules in the early days of covid-19 and penalised those who in government or advisors who broke it.
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20/01/2021 12:32:42 1 1
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Dominic Cummings and Bozo Johnson already set the example for all on how to behave during a health crisis. So yes, the government IS fully to blame.
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20/01/2021 12:23:32 1372 54
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The issue of border closures here has been handled like Yes Minister’s 4 stage strategy:

“In stage 1 we say, nothing’s going to happen.
Stage 2: something maybe going to happen but we should do nothing about it.
Stage 3: perhaps we should do something about it but there’s nothing we can do.
Stage 4: maybe there was something we could have done but it’s too late now.”
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20/01/2021 12:27:49 1126 160
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Stage 5, call the opposition leader captain hindsight for pointing out the governments failures.
You forgot to mention the thousands and thousands of retards breaking the rules all over the country, spreading it left, right and centre.
How convenient of you to forget that little fact and make it all about the government again.
I suppose government is responsible for the pandemic in every other country on the globe too according to you too huh? Pathetic
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20/01/2021 13:06:56 124 14
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Totally agree
Change the record Boris, you really are boring
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20/01/2021 13:18:33 39 166
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Keir Starmer is just a back seat driver. Wales under their Labour leader, Drakeford, have had circuit breakers, as demanded at the time for England by Starmer, did the circuit breaker make any difference? No.

Then you had Nicola up in Scotland doing her own thing, has that made any difference? Again No.
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20/01/2021 13:18:44 126 16
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If Starmer is Captain Hindsight then Boris is General Hindsight.
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20/01/2021 13:23:29 8 47
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Childish
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20/01/2021 13:32:14 34 9
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I think you' ll find Starker has been ahead of the game when suggesting alternative policies. These were never adopted by HMG due to the fact that he suggested them only to be humbled a short time later.
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20/01/2021 13:50:59 57 3
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Agree the pathetic childish Captain Hindsight name calling is just Spaffer Johnson trying to avoid any responsibility or accountability. Governing by trolling.
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20/01/2021 13:52:13 37 5
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Her Majesty's Opposition - the clue is in the title - it's in the job description. Looking back is the only way to learn from your mistakes, a concept alien to this so-called government, but badly needed.
20/01/2021 14:14:22 4 2
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That's what he is there for
20/01/2021 14:24:16 9 1
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Steady now you will upset the forelock tugging serfs on here
20/01/2021 14:48:21 1 2
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That's his job
20/01/2021 14:56:40 0 8
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He is Captain Hindsight though.
20/01/2021 15:04:34 0 3
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He is Captain Hindsight but he now has a sidekick
20/01/2021 15:10:27 1 7
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Captain hindsight is the correct name for Starmer ????
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20/01/2021 12:24:46 21 7
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We should also have elected a competent Government too, then we would all be in a far better position regarding Covid.
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20/01/2021 12:28:19 13 22
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Problem is there wasn't one on offer... the nation overwhelmingly chose the only sensible option available at the time.

Imagine if Corbyn was in Number 10 now and maths wizard Abbot was Home Secretary... we'd be hearing tales of how our new comradeship with Venezuela will yield a vaccine in just 1 or 2 decades.
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20/01/2021 13:15:24 5 0
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"maths wizard Abbot was Home Secretary"

Too be fair, I bet she would be able to read a six digit number off an autocue where Priti Patel failed.
20/01/2021 15:21:33 0 1
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There was no sensible option - just a single issue 'Brexit Party' for the mob to swoon over.

much as I detest Corbyn and his politics I really do wonder whether they could have been any worse. Maybe a bit less of the £billions wasted would have ended up in mates' pockets?
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20/01/2021 12:28:36 19 2
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In the end SNAFU Johnson must take the blame.
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20/01/2021 12:28:48 119 8
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That's because they all underestimate the virus from the start! asleep at the wheel comes to mind
20/01/2021 15:01:55 22 12
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And actually following scientific advice at the time. Even WHO was late on this. But you’ll only ever know until after the fact. Previous viruses did not go global (sars, mers etc) so maybe false sense of security - we were just lucky then.
20/01/2021 16:44:44 2 2
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'Easy to be wise after the event' comes to mind, as does 'Easier to complain than to decide".
20/01/2021 17:09:27 1 1
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Strange that the chinese mobilised so quickly, coming from a starting point of "knowing nothing about it".
20/01/2021 20:00:00 0 0
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HMG UK IS A Car Crash!!
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Joe
20/01/2021 12:28:53 236 17
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I didn’t hear her say that at the time!

If she felt that then (as Home Secretary) she should have made that very clear. That’s the responsibility of her job.
Time to get your ears washed out then.

Perhaps the BBC did not report it as it did not fit their politics ?
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20/01/2021 12:49:42 7 6
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Do you need to hear everything the cabinet says? I'm sure a lot is said and then, by the sounds of it, is ignored behind closed doors
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20/01/2021 13:21:40 2 2
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cant be causing split in party
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Bob
20/01/2021 13:42:50 8 2
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She did say it at the time.

Article from March: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/26/priti-patel-row-boris-johnson-closing-britains-borders-keep/

Oh well. Better luck next time.
20/01/2021 14:31:42 3 1
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She may have made that very clear to the Cabinet, as a Cabinet Minister. Just because the Cabinet collectively decided differently, doesn't mean she didn't voice concerns.

Collective Cabinet Responsibility. (To use your words) *That* is the responsibility of her job.
20/01/2021 17:22:31 0 0
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She did
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joe
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Slow handclap for bleeding obvious nasti Patel!

Boss Head Clown BoZo was in full flow shaking hands with patients and watching Cheltenham races 200k crowded people in March though.

Public should ''Take it on the chin'' was his blundering battle cry at the time.
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I find it interesting that had Labour won the last election, and responded in exactly the same way towards Covid as HMG have…
The Conservative Party and all other right wing collectives, the Tory Press, The CBI, The City and Business in general would be laying siege to Parliament and screaming from every available rooftop…"Corbyn’s Undercover Revolution"
And by and large they’d have been right to.
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20/01/2021 13:57:08 0 9
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obvious even BBC journalists didnt question the PM about borders and testing
20/01/2021 15:10:13 1 11
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You didn't get your way at the referendum and GE by any chance?
20/01/2021 16:03:37 11 0
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Not to mention tens of thousands of Spanish football supporters at Anfield while Spain had the second highest infection rate in Europe. The handling of this national crisis has been criminally incompetent.
20/01/2021 16:31:04 5 0
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Corbyn would have done much better, of course.
20/01/2021 17:18:04 3 7
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What has this patriotic, decent, Conservative daughter of immigrants ever done/ said that is ‘nasty?’ You should be ashamed of your bigotry, but wokeists are incapable of reflection.
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20/01/2021 12:22:40 693 25
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I don't recall her saying anything at the time.
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20/01/2021 12:28:54 693 198
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Can this mark the end of that pathetic attempt by the right to label Keir Starmer as "Captain Hindsight".
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20/01/2021 12:35:24 88 19
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Even Boris kept calling him this in his response to the question of "why did you reject the advice of your home secretary at the time". The rights obsession with this insult is becoming rather pathetic
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20/01/2021 12:49:29 14 60
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Labour needs to get Jeremy back as leader then it wll be a proper opposition party...
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20/01/2021 12:51:10 60 21
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Better Captain Hindsight than Major Shambles.
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Sam
20/01/2021 12:53:06 18 45
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Why, that's exactly what he's been doing and continues to do here? All the politicians have been useless throughout but the fact that Labour continues to make a pandemic political is just encouraging their supporters to not follow rules and go against Govt guidance.
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20/01/2021 12:58:21 7 20
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Well he's not really captain of anything, so I suppose you could be right.
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20/01/2021 13:27:37 1 1
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And how have you labeled Boris?
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no
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20/01/2021 13:57:19 2 4
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Well no .. because Labour did everything they could to avoid calling for the border to be shut, until the evidence was so totally irrefutable that closing the border would help reduce cases. In fact you could be forgiven for thinking the border simply did not exist in Labours mind in spring 2020.

And the biggest piece of evidence coming from NZ .. run by ... a "sibling" Labour Party.

:-D
20/01/2021 14:30:25 1 1
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Abslutely not! For as long as he continues to use hindsight he will be Captain Hindsight!

And as for Priti Patel not saying anything at the time - govts should be united, so presumably it was discussed in cabinet and the decision was not to close the borders.
20/01/2021 14:32:21 0 0
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Why? Benefitting from ‘hindsight’ is par for the course for a barrister like him?
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20/01/2021 12:29:10 193 6
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"A Home Office spokesman said there were now "strong measures" at the border."

i.e. The traveller to the UK gives an address (maybe their one, maybe not) , then they go by public transport if they want to wherever, and on the odd occasion somebody might visit the address given.

By the way, Tom Tugendhat, a lot of people thought proper traveller restrictions were needed last February.
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20/01/2021 13:09:37 154 0
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The quarantine system has been based on the "honour code". We tell you to quarantine and you do as you like because we'll never check up on you. Some people, probably a majority, obeyed the rules while others headed straight to the pub, or meet their mates.
20/01/2021 18:20:38 2 1
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Building contractor. Current situation " workers coming in from continent; Poland, Romania, Bulgaria without tests, not isolating for 1 never mind 10 days, working."
Local man walking dogs in Shropshire meets people walking their dogs one of whom says, "lovely views here mate, we don't get these in Manchester".
I don't trust Pritti, but, maybe she did back close borders. Currently not working!
20/01/2021 19:11:39 1 0
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Those strong measures don't keep out British people, who by dint of being British, probably know how to play or duck Britain's rules or systems, and avoid quarantining.
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20/01/2021 12:29:23 303 38
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Car crash interview for Patel on Good Morning Britain.
Piers Morgan caught her out.
This woman is not fit for office.
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20/01/2021 14:00:41 154 19
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I don't really like Piers Morgan, but man did he give her short shrift in that interview, It has to be seen if the 'untruths' she may have given during the interview will see he lose her job. I sincerely hope so
20/01/2021 13:58:46 9 8
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Piers is better than BBC journalists atleast he has asked about borders in the past and covid testing coming into UK
20/01/2021 14:14:54 7 12
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Ah yes, Good Morning Britain - otherwise known as the Piers Morgan show".

Wish I'd seen it.

Wonder if it was a rare occasion where Piers Morgan actually lets the person he's "interviewing" finish a sentence, or even get a word in edgeways?
20/01/2021 14:35:00 7 5
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Piers - merchant banker !
20/01/2021 14:51:26 16 1
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We already knew that. Johnson had to pick from a small bunch of applicants who would sign up to his Brexit creed - not much choice there!
20/01/2021 15:11:27 8 3
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Oh, then she won’t lose her job, like the rest of them, will probably be given a more important position for what she hasn’t coped with.
20/01/2021 16:11:04 12 0
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That it was but read the article on bbc and it is spun as a positive! In all fairness she isn't personally responsible but is accountable! Coding error is hilarious excuse, clearly no testing and no back up before running a new script of that nature, gross misconduct you would be out the door in the real world!
20/01/2021 22:10:55 0 0
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You are not for for HYS!
Coulda woulda shoulda.

Patel is totally unqualified to run anything, a grade A moron who is totally unfit to run a major government department. What on earth is she doing there? Why is she in front of a camera making noises at the public? Why the pretence that she is in any way competent? Why is the media cooperating with this pretence?

Moron. Get her out.
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20/01/2021 12:29:43 38 3
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Hindsight makes geniuses of us all, Priti ?
It is like watching the Blackadder with guest appearances from Fawlty Towers, Benny Hill and Mr. Bean. Cabinet of eejits. Cannot remember so many inept, feckless, lazy people running the country.
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20/01/2021 12:29:47 53 5
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Other countries closed borders, locked down early and had far shorter lockdowns with far fewer deaths. Some even eliminated the virus altogether and are now living almost normally, aside from a lack of international tourists.
Johnson's government failed the UK badly last February and March, we've been paying a heavy price for that ever since, and will continue to do so for years to come.
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20/01/2021 12:29:52 7 9
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Yes closing boarders also means sending those crossing the channel in boats straight back!

They were probably Covid carriers too!
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20/01/2021 12:24:44 43 6
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Well, she's right. Look at Taiwan on China's doorstep - a handful of deaths and no lockdowns. I imagine the only reason we kept borders open is financial greed and underestimating the virus.
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JD
20/01/2021 12:29:52 7 36
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It is not 'greedy' to try and keep some vestige of the economy alive.
It is essential for the health and security of us all.
321
20/01/2021 12:57:28 12 1
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How did allowing covid to rapidly spread keep the economy alive? It shrank by 20% in the first quarter of 2020, the worst of any g7 nation. The gov underestimated the virus and took a gamble that ended terribly. As for health of us all, tell that to the almost 100,000 families grieving right now.
20/01/2021 15:05:55 2 0
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100,000 dead so you can still get a McD takeaway? I don't think so.
ME
20/01/2021 20:46:40 0 0
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It's greedy to put money before public health and then hand out testing contracts to your pals' company.
54
20/01/2021 12:30:02 4 4
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Everyone's an expert after the event.

I'd imagine in a year's time when we're all on 50% income tax to pay for this mess there will be people with amazing ideas about how none of this was needed.
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20/01/2021 12:24:46 21 7
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We should also have elected a competent Government too, then we would all be in a far better position regarding Covid.
55
20/01/2021 12:30:16 6 3
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But for that we needed at least one competent choice!
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20/01/2021 12:30:39 6 2
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People here still sitting together drinking their take away coffee
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20/01/2021 12:36:52 1 1
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Or even getting coffees and driving miles for "exercise" such as a brisk walk, which is always best done holding large coffees.
And can't remember ever seeing people from different households out together as they are meant to socially distance by 2m if they do. Except in posed photos for the media that is. And only one person can meet one other person.
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20/01/2021 12:31:59 0 1
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Are you buying ?
57
20/01/2021 12:30:53 3 1
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How can anyone disagree with that statement! Shame it did not happen.
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20/01/2021 12:22:13 48 6
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She's right. Hindsight is wonderful isn't it?

Public health should have taken priority over money and the fear of being called racist.
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20/01/2021 12:30:53 51 2
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This isn't an issue of hindsight, it's a question of why the PM continuously ignores the advice he receives or delays its implementation and then attacks people calling them captain hindsight to question why he made the decisions he made
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20/01/2021 12:43:47 4 2
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This IS an issue of hindsight as she is trying to state she wanted to close the borders then.
From the article
"In a video call obtained by Guido Fawkes, the home secretary told Tory supporters she was an "advocate" of closing the borders 10 months ago.".
I cannot see any stories from ~10 months ago where she made that statement publicly.
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20/01/2021 12:31:06 11 3
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A minister in Bo's government - the more incompetent you are the better Bo looks.
196
20/01/2021 12:33:29 2 2
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Yep.
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20/01/2021 12:21:12 56 10
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March? Nope too late. January/February would perhaps have made a real difference, especially before the end of the Chinese New Year celebrations.
60
20/01/2021 12:31:09 5 1
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the ski season in Italy, Swiss and France comes to mind also
515
20/01/2021 13:19:09 3 0
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Good point ??
61
20/01/2021 12:31:14 9 3
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COVID is definitely not the last pandemic. Let's hope all governments in the world can learn from this painful experience and will respond swiftly for future pandemics.
197
20/01/2021 12:34:03 4 1
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No chance whatsoever with the eton product.
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20/01/2021 12:31:15 266 11
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Its on BBC iPlayer:

Early March/April Boris Johnson: "We'll get through this in 12 weeks."

Summer time Boris Johnson: "We'll get through this by Christmas"

Late Summer Boris Johnson: "No I don't think wearing a mask is necessary."

Absolutely nothing about closing borders from Patel or Boris or Dominic Raab when BJ was in ICU.
20/01/2021 14:34:21 232 15
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I remember some guff about "closing our borders wouldn't slow the spread".

Well take a look at New Zealand and Australia to see what closing your borders does. We could have saved thousands of lives and billions of pounds through that one simple step.

The government have been inept at every stage.
20/01/2021 22:13:27 0 0
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Was he really in ICU, he seemed to get over it Priti quickly.
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20/01/2021 12:31:17 104 9
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Well given the Home Office has responsibility for policing UK ports etc is she going to resign. No of course she isn't
20/01/2021 14:41:13 13 14
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Look at the article linked further up the page she doesn't need to hide behind civil servants she was at loggerheads with Johnson do keep up
20/01/2021 16:45:37 0 3
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No of course she isn't, nor should she.
20/01/2021 17:55:21 0 0
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No one resigns any more. The concept of shame, or responsibility rode out of town years ago.
20/01/2021 20:01:22 0 0
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Still waiting to recruit the twenty thousand plus 'Cops' May gave marching orders to? Recruitment is going well ..... NOT!!
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DBM
20/01/2021 12:31:31 13 3
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We have been in the worst of both worlds throughout this pandemic, worst death rate and worst economic effects. They've successfully protected nothing.
65
20/01/2021 12:31:33 8 1
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She's being set up for the inevitable cull once this is all over. Johnson won't take any blame at all so it is convenient for him to have incompetent ministers
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20/01/2021 12:27:45 4 6
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They should have taken this more seriously however the Government is not fully to blame. You only have to walk to the local shop to see people who don’t take this seriously and they will be as responsible for allowing this virus to kill many. Unfortunately they are so ignorant that many have and continue to die due to their stupidity!
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20/01/2021 12:31:36 7 1
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But the government could stop people etravling to the UK.
They could also have set a good example by all obeying the rules in the early days of covid-19 and penalised those who in government or advisors who broke it.
67
20/01/2021 12:31:39 3 1
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No sh*t Sherlock.
68
20/01/2021 12:31:39 3 2
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And I would have bought a lottery ticket with the winning numbers last week.
69
20/01/2021 12:31:45 10 5
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One of the four Great Offices of State and she can't even speak English properly "leadin the world...." Always misses off the Gs.
127
20/01/2021 12:38:46 6 1
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I've noticed that too, but even if she spoke with perfect diction, it wouldn't make her policies or her treatment of staff any more palatable.
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20/01/2021 12:31:45 89 5
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Given that the UK had a massive geographical advantage in being an Island, the Governments failure to close the borders and keep them shut in Jan 2020 has resulted in catastrophic economic damage and many unnecessary deaths , it is an unforgivable error and the dithering and wrong decisions continue. Other Island nations (Australia etc) have proven lock down hard and restrict travelling work.
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20/01/2021 12:36:02 36 22
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Being an island doesn't seem to have stopped illegals; Australia would have sent them straight back with a lifetime ban on entry to the country.
659
20/01/2021 13:24:17 4 18
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yeh but EU spread it to uk. borders with EU and being in EU ....Boris was prevented from shutting borders by EU
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Bob
20/01/2021 13:56:02 3 7
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So you want to shut borders every time there's a new case of flu in China?

Shutting in January is only the correct decision in hindsight. It was not the correct decision for the time.

You can debate about subsequent months - but not that early.
21/01/2021 11:40:50 0 0
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Being an island only gives you an advantage if you aren't one of the biggest trading centres in the world, haven't got one of the most cosmopolitan capitals on earth etc. Over Dec '19, and Jan -Mar 2020, the number of people in and out of this country was astronomical, people going home or coming back for Xmas, Chinese new year, European Xmas market breaks, skiing etc etc.
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20/01/2021 12:31:46 17 5
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Patel got blood on on her hands just like Johnston and rest of the cabinet, 1600 yesterday alone
85
20/01/2021 12:34:08 3 15
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Why do you blame them?

It’s the idiots not obeying the rules!
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20/01/2021 12:31:55 7 1
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No S*** Sherlock!
73
20/01/2021 12:32:09 20 4
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Closing the barn door after the horse has bolted. There is a good chance there has been more damage done to the economy than if they had grabbed the bull by its dangly bits and put this and other measures in place. Their beloved econemy now has more problems than British Leyland in the 70's. They are looking for forgiveness now.
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20/01/2021 12:27:08 140 13
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Sure we were still accepting flights from Wuhan all the way through the first wave weren't we? Idiotic. Common sense was to shut up shop. Cost a lot of lives
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20/01/2021 12:32:21 51 10
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Actually I think it was only British nationals being repatriated able to fly to UK from Wuhan then, and they were meant to "quarantine"
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20/01/2021 12:39:49 6 2
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Wasn't that
meant to "quarantine" if they thought they had any symptoms ?
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20/01/2021 13:02:44 14 1
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That is where it all broke down, as quarantining would have meant Gov money being spent on supporting the quarantiners. Useless bunch of incompetent idiots in charge. It is time we created a person spec for anyone aspiring to be a Minister and interviewing them for competence and suitability, instead of the jobs for the boys (and girls) mentality of establishment britain.
20/01/2021 19:59:30 0 0
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Naivety Personified!!
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20/01/2021 12:32:27 136 8
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Never thought I would find myself agreeing with Priti Patel.....that day has come. Why the govt kept borders fluid is baffling. We are an island and therefore are in a stronger position than most to manage the inflow and outflow. In times of pandemic this was not an ideological question about freedom of movement but about controlling an insidious virus. Should have taken a lead from New Zealand.
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20/01/2021 12:36:03 95 8
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It seems that when it comes to the government striking a balance between serving short-term business interests on one hand and protecting the nation from the ingress of the virus on the other hand; the business interests always seem to edge it.
620
20/01/2021 13:22:35 7 0
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all the asian countries test for covid at borders and they have low covid. not rocket science
20/01/2021 16:13:23 0 0
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But everyone had to have that opportunity for the essential foreign holiday.
Ned
20/01/2021 16:56:16 0 1
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It has already been shown many months ago that the UK had more individual introductions than NZ had total cases, the UK didn't stand a chance. London is the most connected city in the world. NZ is a low populated country 3 hours away from Oz. You can compare them but it doesn't make it like for like. Anyone who has been at LHR at 6am on a Monday in the old days would tell you how connected we are
20/01/2021 19:58:35 0 0
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Because ... This Island Country is Ran By The Muppet Show, The ERG, The 1922 C'Tee and ... of course Big Biziness and Mammon - who is buying ALL the Bust Going Concerns??? Mmmmmm
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20/01/2021 12:32:39 14 2
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Yes, so why the hell didn't you!!!!!
39
20/01/2021 12:27:45 4 6
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They should have taken this more seriously however the Government is not fully to blame. You only have to walk to the local shop to see people who don’t take this seriously and they will be as responsible for allowing this virus to kill many. Unfortunately they are so ignorant that many have and continue to die due to their stupidity!
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20/01/2021 12:32:42 1 1
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Dominic Cummings and Bozo Johnson already set the example for all on how to behave during a health crisis. So yes, the government IS fully to blame.
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20/01/2021 12:32:52 7 4
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What a shambles this cabinet is.Johnson just repeated his putting 20,000 police on the streets.Should say putting them back from 20,000 plus taken away by Con cuts.Patel talks of review in the future over Covid which is now killing thousands per week.They are an untouchable unaccountable disgrace.Where are Gove,Rabb,Jenrick etc while this disaster unfolds.
She would stab her own granma in the back this woman Removed
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20/01/2021 12:33:17 22 3
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I doubt she'd manage to hit that target either
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Joe
20/01/2021 12:33:35 28 5
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Anybody get the feeling this country has seen its best days, it’s only going to get worse and worse from now on - and quickly too.
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20/01/2021 12:38:36 18 4
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UK's best days ended after WWII mate. The UK has been in decline for a longtime now. It does not help when we have idiots in charge, but in general the mentality of British people is why you are in this mess. British people tend to be highly strung and pompous. None of these traits you guys have are any good for a forward thinking economy. Oh and your Democracy is a false lie too, just saying.
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20/01/2021 12:34:51 0 1
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Who were the 'best days' for ?
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HMC
20/01/2021 12:33:47 9 5
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Priti Clueless
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20/01/2021 12:33:54 15 1
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Todays prize for stating the obvious goes to....
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20/01/2021 12:34:04 4 3
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Nooooo, really?? Who’d have thought. Thanks for the update. Imagine a Govt that could truly lead, make decent decisions without chasing popularity and then stick to them. I have little time for Thatcher’s politics but if only she was in charge now
84
20/01/2021 12:34:07 1 5
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Non-white and a female. Our Trumpanzee's will be chomping at the bit on this one
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20/01/2021 12:40:25 1 4
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Quite. The left in this country are unpleasant racists and anti-Semites but get away with it from claiming to be "Woke". They hate the idea of a successful BAME woman.
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20/01/2021 12:31:46 17 5
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Patel got blood on on her hands just like Johnston and rest of the cabinet, 1600 yesterday alone
85
20/01/2021 12:34:08 3 15
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Why do you blame them?

It’s the idiots not obeying the rules!
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20/01/2021 12:39:47 4 1
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its the idiots who dont know the govt are to blame
20/01/2021 15:13:14 2 0
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As you say, they're idiots. Government makes (weak) rules; government polices those (weak) rules; government is ultimately responsible. Personally I'd be happy to see those 'idiots' herded together in a camp under armed guard!
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20/01/2021 12:34:20 25 3
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"Politics latest news: Priti Patel looks to shift blame for UK's 'appalling' death toll on scientists - watch PMQs live"

Disgraceful attempt to re-write history in order to cover up and avoid blame.
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Ian
20/01/2021 12:34:26 9 4
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Priti Patel says UK should have closed borders in March 2020

British voters say we should have stopped voting Conservative in December 2020
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20/01/2021 12:34:57 7 2
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All with the benefit of hindsight. If she really believed that, she should have resigned in protest at the time.
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D
20/01/2021 12:39:22 0 2
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No. We have a long tradition of collective cabinet responsibility. Disagree privately, argue your case, but when the decision is made by the cabinet, all members of the cabinet go along with it. Otherwise, any member of the cabinet who disagrees with anything would resign and chaos would reign.
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20/01/2021 12:36:32 0 1
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no hindsight
she said it BACK THEN
you need to look up hindsight
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20/01/2021 12:35:15 1 2
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Yes the border should have been closed to Patel. One cold, uncaring individual that
122
20/01/2021 12:38:31 0 1
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Why is it that RACIST comments from the left are OK but not from the centre or right? Hudson, you are an unpleasant RACIST who has no place on this forum.
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20/01/2021 12:28:54 693 198
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Can this mark the end of that pathetic attempt by the right to label Keir Starmer as "Captain Hindsight".
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20/01/2021 12:35:24 88 19
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Even Boris kept calling him this in his response to the question of "why did you reject the advice of your home secretary at the time". The rights obsession with this insult is becoming rather pathetic
638
20/01/2021 13:30:01 1 5
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But insults going the other way are OK then?
20/01/2021 14:54:07 1 1
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It is the standard Tory response to any attack.
They try to insult and smear the person flagging the Tory failure in the hope of moving the conversation away from Tory failures and on to the content of the smear.
The approach is dishonest, nasty, and shows contempt for the population as the Tories effectively refuse to engage in debate on the subject, and it needs to be called out for what it is.
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20/01/2021 12:27:17 485 61
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Priti making a move for a better job.
Back stabbing snake in the grass who goes rogue at the drop of a hat.
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20/01/2021 12:35:32 405 27
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The female Gove
20/01/2021 14:25:33 8 2
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What a thought.More than one of the buggers....
20/01/2021 14:30:20 12 1
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Tempted to say you do Gove a diservice, but no they are equally Machiavellian.
20/01/2021 14:38:52 12 1
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No - he's scarily clever, she's just scary.
20/01/2021 14:57:25 2 0
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They are similar in that they make me puke.
20/01/2021 16:43:07 0 0
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Hand in hand
20/01/2021 19:54:38 0 0
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Bigger 'Round Spherical Object D'art' and even more cunning!!
20/01/2021 23:44:45 0 0
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With a bigger arse.......
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rl
20/01/2021 12:35:37 5 1
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Even March would have been too late. January would have made a big difference, but that would have been unthinkable at the time.
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Ian
20/01/2021 12:35:57 4 4
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?Priti Patel - another reason not to vote Conservative
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20/01/2021 12:26:28 6 6
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Hindsight is wonderful.

A number of people said we should be doing that, however at the time the scientific advice said otherwise.

Yes it was wrong, but we had to get our own people home anyway, or should they have been abandoned?

Comments like this aren't helpful especially as there will be a full and detailed inquiry that will show everything up and not through rose tinted spectacles
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20/01/2021 12:35:59 6 1
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Nonsense. Other countries followed their scientific advice and heavily restricted arrivals early. Citizens of Australia, NZ and other places were allowed home, but foreign nationals weren't allowed to fly there.
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20/01/2021 12:31:45 89 5
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Given that the UK had a massive geographical advantage in being an Island, the Governments failure to close the borders and keep them shut in Jan 2020 has resulted in catastrophic economic damage and many unnecessary deaths , it is an unforgivable error and the dithering and wrong decisions continue. Other Island nations (Australia etc) have proven lock down hard and restrict travelling work.
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20/01/2021 12:36:02 36 22
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Being an island doesn't seem to have stopped illegals; Australia would have sent them straight back with a lifetime ban on entry to the country.
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20/01/2021 12:32:27 136 8
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Never thought I would find myself agreeing with Priti Patel.....that day has come. Why the govt kept borders fluid is baffling. We are an island and therefore are in a stronger position than most to manage the inflow and outflow. In times of pandemic this was not an ideological question about freedom of movement but about controlling an insidious virus. Should have taken a lead from New Zealand.
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20/01/2021 12:36:03 95 8
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It seems that when it comes to the government striking a balance between serving short-term business interests on one hand and protecting the nation from the ingress of the virus on the other hand; the business interests always seem to edge it.
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20/01/2021 13:43:08 5 2
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"the business interests always seem to edge it."
But of course! The Tory Party is (and always was) funded by big business and the very wealthy. The Tory Party cannot afford to lose their source of income can they?
20/01/2021 15:14:17 3 1
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It's not even that though. Business interests would also have been served better by closing the borders.
20/01/2021 16:43:19 0 0
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The 'short term business interests', as you call them, also involve people's jobs and livelihoods. Easy to be wise after the event.
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20/01/2021 12:21:01 390 19
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Quite right - and long overdue the government admits this. We are an island, and should have protected ourselves far better than we did. Sometimes you have to offend a few people in the interest of everyone else.
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20/01/2021 12:36:09 103 14
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Their hindsight is no good if it's only "Well yes we should have done things differently and the different was more sensible... ho hum, live goes on, what are you going to do about it?"
DJG
20/01/2021 15:07:38 1 0
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we could use this hindsight to make a decision now about the future (i.e. from now on).
20/01/2021 18:18:48 0 2
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What would you suggest? Jump in the TARDIS and go back in time so that it could be different? Ridiculous criticism.
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20/01/2021 12:36:10 4 1
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The Brexit mantra was "we want control of our own borders" yet what did we do when it would have counted? Nothing - it is all a sham and now 100,000 people have paid the price
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20/01/2021 12:38:43 0 1
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Having the power and wielding it are two different things.
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20/01/2021 12:36:14 3 2
bbc
Fair enough to call for border closures but how do the "something must be done" brigade handle the million or so UK nationals outside the UK. How long before leaving them to inadequate or uninsured healthcare abroad is an issue?

Australia did it but with just 37,000 abroad they still have nationals waiting to return home as they put a couple of thousand a week through mandatory isolation.
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20/01/2021 12:54:40 2 0
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You answered your own question. The UK could have admitted returning nationals in restricted numbers over a long period, with compulsory quarantine as they arrived, rather than letting everyone spread throughout the country at will.
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20/01/2021 12:36:14 3 1
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Shown to have bullied her staff, sacked as the Development Sec for a lack of integrity AND incompetent. Quite an achievement.

Remind me; why is she now responsible for one of the most important government portfolios?

Ah. Supported Brexit. Of course...??