Scrapping £20 benefit could see Tories called 'nasty party' - Casey
20/01/2021 | news | politics | 1,122
The ex-government adviser said the Tories would be seen as the "nasty party" by ending the top-up.
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20/01/2021 10:37:08 51 40
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When even a Tory describes them as "the nasty party", you know something is wrong.
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20/01/2021 10:44:37 22 19
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Actually, she - rather foolishly - said that people would think they were the nasty party. Hostage to fortune; and baby language.
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20/01/2021 10:37:37 5 11
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The thing is, once you give people a benefit such as this, it can never be taken away (for political reasons).

It's the same as feeding children and saying it's only because of CV19.

Both of these things will be permanent, we all know they well, so HMG might as well just make it so because they know full well that's what will happen anyway.
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20/01/2021 10:42:55 8 3
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Precisely why politicians ought to think more long-term and not just go for the quick headline. I suspect the Cummings effect has destroyed the relationship with senior civil servants who can stand back and offer analysis of the options. BJ’s ‘following’, when he should be looking at quality advice and taking a considered political view.
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Austerity or Bankruptcy hard choice.
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Maybe the banks could repay their debt to us, from 2008 ?

And what about corporate tax evasion ?
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Any economist worth their salt will tell you austerity is a sham. Even the austerity champions the IMF admit to it.
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20/01/2021 10:38:15 15 15
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The benefit top-up should be ended at the appropriate time when we get out of this malaise. However, there’s no magic money tree, the conservative government was voted in with an overwhelming majority for a reason and it’s the workers that will ultimately pay for all this.
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20/01/2021 10:38:45 245 18
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Why are taxpayers subsidising low paid worker? Isnt it time that the min wage was of a satisfactory level? It seems all the taxpayer is doing is helping corporations increase there profit margins cos they too mean to properly pay staff.
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20/01/2021 10:45:40 118 45
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Corporate subsidies are OK, according to Tories.

Helping taxpayers is not allowed, apparently.
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20/01/2021 10:50:23 20 9
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The stop using companies like Amazon who pay no tax.....
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20/01/2021 10:50:43 31 22
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Problem is people having babies as consumer objects, with the idea that the state will keep them through augmented benefits.
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20/01/2021 10:51:13 3 5
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Why are taxpayers subsidising low paid worker?
Because it is the only tool in HMG's box that enables it to reduce the risk of higher prices filtering down to consumers. If people don't spend, even on foreign junk, the Treasury doesn't get its +20%.
However, with the introduction of trade tariffs it should be possible to influence markets so that UK produce is cheaper than non-essential imports.
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20/01/2021 11:05:44 31 4
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A cynical person may state that if we keep the poor, poor, then they can be used by corporations as a low cost resource utilising zero hours contracts. Then a few Tory party donations keeps the system in place.

The poor have been turned into a commodity, to be discarded as seen fit by whichever employer, through zero hours contracts.

Despite the fact that the poor are critical to the UK.
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20/01/2021 11:08:37 21 0
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A full time worker on the minimum wage isn't entitled to claim universal credit so raising the minimum wage won't remove the masses from universal credit.

Secure jobs with a decent number of regular guaranteed work hours would make a bigger and more lasting impact.
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20/01/2021 11:10:12 8 0
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The Cheapest commodity for corporations is human flesh & as automation really gets going that resource will become cheaper unless we do something about it!
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20/01/2021 11:31:26 5 0
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It's to ensure employment is higher than it otherwise would be; paying an actual living wage would mean large numbers of jobs are removed via automation/software/self-service.
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20/01/2021 12:39:30 5 2
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What happens if the employer of these minimum waged people does the sums and works out that they won't make any money unless they reduce the number they employ or shuts down and sells off whatever is left?
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20/01/2021 13:29:19 0 0
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Having low paid workers keeps the prices down for you
Think of it that way
Sort of trickle-up-the-ages.....
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20/01/2021 16:48:45 0 1
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Personally I think the solution is to scrap all in work benefits & instead increase personal allowance to equivalent of min wage on avg hrs (=approx £17k pa). Let people keep more of what they earn rather than paying tax only for Gov to hand it back as benefits

Increase in personal allowance could be paid for by scrapping all other tax free personal allowances - Cap gains, Dividends, IHT etc.
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20/01/2021 17:12:41 2 0
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The difference between managers pay and the workforce is by and large obscene. Some of the overpaid people are incompetents.
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20/01/2021 17:18:08 2 0
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well if the min wage was increased to a satisfactory level those employers and corporations would just move there operations out of the UK to somewhere they can employ people for peanuts.
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20/01/2021 20:48:46 0 0
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Define satisfactory level. You really are clueless arent you. Wages are & always should be a function of supply & demand, otherwise you cannot compete in a world economy. Pay the most basic of jobs at £13/hr & the ones on that want £16 etc. Everything goes up or just everything becomes a min wage job and concertinas at the bottom (like it has been since it was introduced). Scrap min wage more like
21/01/2021 09:37:57 0 0
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Standard Neoliberal approach. Welfare for people is bad but welfare for big business is OK.
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20/01/2021 10:38:46 13 18
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Embittered, probably sacked, EX adviser seeking revenge.

The Nasty Party that has spent over £80m on schemes to try to save as many jobs as possible.

Oh and what part of temporary are some people having difficulty understanding???
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Nasty Party, that's the Tories.

nasty nasty nasty
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20/01/2021 10:47:06 3 1
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They were protecting their own pockets and those of the cronies by not allowing the entire economy to collapse. Let's not pretend they did that out of the goodness of their hearts.
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20/01/2021 10:43:57 2 1
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Save jobs? In the 'service industry.'
We have known for decades that 'service' is not a real industry and it was only supposed to be a stop-gap until UK emerged from its post-heavy industry malaise. Trouble is, too many people now think it is a way of life. Get real.
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20/01/2021 10:55:46 3 1
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Yes, the nasty pampered Eton brigade that, as soon as they got elected tried to abolish tax credits for low paid workers - that fought against the a NMW - and punched the air as they denied nurses a payrise (whose pay has reduced drastically in real terms) as they grabbed a 7.5k payrise for themselves?
Immoral, self-serving, arrogant pampered hypocrites, every last one of them.
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20/01/2021 10:38:56 125 91
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Fair enough if the £20 will be spent on food.
But how many already get enough monies from the government but blow it on
unnecessary spending.

The UK has no idea of poverty, see Africa etc if you want to see real poverty.

The only ones who'd see Tories as the 'nasty party' are agenda driven
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20/01/2021 10:40:50 53 76
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Blah blah blah. Anyone gonna mention "plasma screens" ? Yawn.
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Found the bigot.
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Think another tory voter,it's a pity they don't get involved and see the real picture instead of reading their gutter press
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Put the Daily Mail down and get out in the real world
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20/01/2021 13:10:08 1 0
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did you seriously make that comment?
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20/01/2021 13:35:30 3 0
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my extra £20 does go on food, less the £5 a week I have to spend out of it to pay my bills. Could you pay your mortgage and all your bills on £316.76 a MONTH? that is all you get on UC without the extra.
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20/01/2021 14:59:43 1 0
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Back to Victorian values again, talking about the deserving poor. Why are people so judgemental
21/01/2021 08:43:21 0 0
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Well if you aspire to African levels of poverty try them some time.
Preferably over there!
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20/01/2021 10:39:24 16 18
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We have a government that is only concerned about wasting money when it isn't going to any of their conies and doesn't fit their political agenda.
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20/01/2021 10:39:26 28 24
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Vallance agrees with Starmer, and indeed most of us. Johnson has been too indecisive with the covid pandemic. Too little done and too late.
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20/01/2021 10:41:18 8 7
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I disagree: BoJo did all that he had to do to extend the problem and give 'experts' something to 'manage.'
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Is croneyism 'indecision' ?
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20/01/2021 10:38:04 8 10
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Austerity or Bankruptcy hard choice.
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Maybe the banks could repay their debt to us, from 2008 ?

And what about corporate tax evasion ?
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20/01/2021 10:53:51 1 1
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Neither of those things would raise enough money to pay off our debts
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20/01/2021 14:56:51 0 0
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The banks have repaid their debts and in some cases it exceeded the amount given to them.
Fatty Casey should get a haircut; and stop stuffing herself. Removed
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20/01/2021 10:41:32 12 4
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Childish troll
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20/01/2021 10:38:46 13 18
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Embittered, probably sacked, EX adviser seeking revenge.

The Nasty Party that has spent over £80m on schemes to try to save as many jobs as possible.

Oh and what part of temporary are some people having difficulty understanding???
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20/01/2021 10:40:08 19 17
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Nasty Party, that's the Tories.

nasty nasty nasty
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20/01/2021 10:47:35 3 2
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Elected, elected, elected.
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Baby language x 3.
Do you need a Fruit Shoot and a little sleep? Removed
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Holidays are banned, shops/restaurants/pubs are shut. Everyone is supposed to be staying indoors as much as possible. So at a time with this unprecedented fall in the spending that families are making (I've saved so much since last March), is it really right that those on Universal Credit get £6bn extra a year?

That £6bn could be spent elsewhere; NHS, schools, scientists, infrastructure, etc
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20/01/2021 10:44:16 26 11
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Yes, I am sure there is a crony somewhere to come up with a scheme that would rake in an 85% net profit margin to line their own pockets, while only15% gets to where it's actually needed.
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20/01/2021 10:46:06 9 3
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Of course we can pay these people who need it.remember the 350 million a week we dont have to pay the Eu.oh wait ,was that not true then?what a shocker that would be.any party with Preti Patel deserves to be called nasty.
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20/01/2021 10:47:31 14 1
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'..is it really right that those on Universal Credit get £6bn extra a year?'

Considering UK benefit rates are one of the lowest in w. Europe (as is the retirement pension - joys of being the 5th richest economy?), and bearing in mind the shameful UN report, i'd say that's a 'yes'?
Considering this lot cheered nurses not getting payrises as they grabbed a 7.5k rise themselves, i'd say not likely.
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20/01/2021 10:47:50 11 6
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Try ‘saving’ on UC. You won’t. Spending will not have dropped for folk on UC. They are still trying to pay rent, bills and feed their kids on a paltry sum. You, and me, are in a different league.
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20/01/2021 12:06:51 6 0
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Low paid workers being topped up with UC weren't going on holiday and eating out etc. Many will now though be worse off due to reduced employment opportunities and higher heating and food bill's whilst their children are not at school.
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20/01/2021 15:02:14 3 0
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Supporting claimants saves the wider public purse through reduced spend in other areas eg health care, homelessness and crime
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20/01/2021 10:40:24 8 17
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Scrapping £20 benefit could see Tories called 'nasty party' - I don't think Labour will relinquish that well earned title in a hurry.
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20/01/2021 11:00:19 5 1
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Labour introduced tax credits for the low paid, and pension credit to top up one of the lowest retirement pensions in w. Europe. They also introduced the NMW.
As soon as this shower of pampered spivs got elected they tried to abolish tax credits. One of them even suggested cutting the nmw by £1 ph to help pay for bankers pensions.
The UN report?

Get a grip of yourself.
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20/01/2021 10:40:35 14 18
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'former homelessness adviser'

'former' for a reason.

Poverty or wreck less spending by bad parents?
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20/01/2021 10:47:44 7 3
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I think you mean Reckless. Although bad parents do wreck lives.
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20/01/2021 10:49:05 5 1
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Stop reading The Daily Mail. It's scrambling your brains.
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20/01/2021 10:49:28 5 1
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She has achieved more with her life than you will ever do, grandad.
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#okboomer
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20/01/2021 11:06:35 2 0
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Illiterate and judgemental without considering any facts. Sounds like a nasty tory.
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20/01/2021 10:40:40 61 45
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Scrapping money to help the poorest, ‘considering’ scrapping European labour laws, spending £1million a day on the failed tracing system, throwing huge sums at crony companies. The magic money tree only thrives in well-manures soil.
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20/01/2021 11:10:31 34 15
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On newsnight last night, it was stated that the UK has the lowest benefits compared to other European countries. So, how do they do it, if the UK cannot ?.

It seems to be the Tory way, neglect the poor, yet they still need them to do the jobs no other person wants to do.
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Why do Labour always call the Tories "The Nasty Party" ?

Do Tory supporters hound those that disagree with them ? Are they completely intolerant of any of views but their own ? Did they have a leader such as Corbyn (and we all know what views on certain sections of society he holds) ?

It' Labour who are the "Nasty Party".
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Labour are the separationist party.
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20/01/2021 11:15:33 1 0
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The answer you are looking for is "yes" unless you have purposely avoided reading comments from the nasty parties supporters.
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Fair enough if the £20 will be spent on food.
But how many already get enough monies from the government but blow it on
unnecessary spending.

The UK has no idea of poverty, see Africa etc if you want to see real poverty.

The only ones who'd see Tories as the 'nasty party' are agenda driven
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Blah blah blah. Anyone gonna mention "plasma screens" ? Yawn.
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Me
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I think tech has moved on now dear, do keep up.
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20/01/2021 11:30:02 1 7
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So right
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20/01/2021 11:51:17 0 1
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Rubbish!
The Tories being called 'The Nasty Party'?

So we have all forgotten about the Labour Party being found guilty of antisemitism by the E&HRC?

And didn't Dame Louise Casey herself investigate the Rotherham abuses which were ignored by the local Labour party for decades?
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20/01/2021 11:04:47 2 0
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Grow up you pathetic troll
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how about extending it to those on jsa, income support, and carer's allowance? £45pwk for 24hr care is a bargain, but its not healthy for the carers
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20/01/2021 13:51:09 3 7
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When you check, you'll see JSA and IS are now called "universal credit". The clue is in the name.
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20/01/2021 10:41:13 59 35
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People will always exploit situations for their benefit but Covid has allowed the Government to oversee the highest level of corruption imaginable. Historically the UK has looked down their nose at 'Third World Corruption' but we are now head and shoulders above any other country.
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And your evidence is?????????
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Please keep your flatulence to your self.
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What utter rubbish! You have no evidence whatsoever and it is very dangerous to speak in this way.
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20/01/2021 10:41:23 3 6
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“ 'I am going to step into the shoes of a Beveridge moment'.”
Fatty Casey should get a haircut; and stop stuffing herself. Removed
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Childish troll
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20/01/2021 10:50:06 1 0
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When your alone and life is making you lonely - How fitting!
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20/01/2021 10:42:00 51 48
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The Tories never stopped being the nasty party, as the comments from their supporters show.
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20/01/2021 10:54:59 33 22
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*yawn* another HYS, another "I hate the Tories" post from Strawcat

You're like a stuck record
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20/01/2021 10:42:29 50 46
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Seems to be an endless supply of money for lining the pockets of the cronies with obscene amounts, but nothing for ordinary people struck by hard times. Seems like the payback for the 'borrowed red wall' has dried up already.

Unite in 4 years time to turf out the rotten Tories.
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20/01/2021 10:45:54 25 36
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They are the nasty party.
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Hahahahaha. The only way Labour will be in government in the next decade is if Mr Starmer ditches his entire front bench and appoints Tory Lite candidates. You know, like Mr Blair did.
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20/01/2021 10:37:37 5 11
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The thing is, once you give people a benefit such as this, it can never be taken away (for political reasons).

It's the same as feeding children and saying it's only because of CV19.

Both of these things will be permanent, we all know they well, so HMG might as well just make it so because they know full well that's what will happen anyway.
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20/01/2021 10:42:55 8 3
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Precisely why politicians ought to think more long-term and not just go for the quick headline. I suspect the Cummings effect has destroyed the relationship with senior civil servants who can stand back and offer analysis of the options. BJ’s ‘following’, when he should be looking at quality advice and taking a considered political view.
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20/01/2021 10:43:30 8 22
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Is this £6bn better spent on increasing taxpayer payments to families already on Universal Credit, OR would it be better spent improving the NHS, or given to scientific research, or something else? We need to be creating new jobs, not subsidising those not in work.
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20/01/2021 10:52:13 6 0
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why are people so ignorant the majority of universal credit recipiants are low paid WORKERS
Removed
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20/01/2021 11:24:32 0 0
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Perhaps split it 50:50 or 20 miles of HS2
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20/01/2021 10:43:35 14 16
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Keep the benefits uplift and pay for it with increased fuel duty. It's the responsible thing to do, and would restore Johnson's green credentials following the Cumbria coalmine disgrace.
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20/01/2021 10:52:33 8 2
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Which would in turn increase the price of food and goods and so reduce the benefit of the £20. Probably would need to increase it to £30.
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20/01/2021 10:43:46 10 25
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If people are struggling then fair enough. But as a tax payer I don't want to see this as a permanent measure which I fear it may become.
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You'd rather see your taxes spent on what exactly? Handouts for the Tory donors?
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20/01/2021 10:47:24 6 2
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Everyone pays tax, working or not. Ever heard of VAT ????
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20/01/2021 10:50:06 5 1
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Maybe Boris can resurrect his Garden Bridge project. That would be a much more worthy use of taxpayers' money. Or perhaps it could be used for another lorry park in Kent. Maybe some pot plants for the Portaloos down there.
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20/01/2021 10:40:09 66 48
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Holidays are banned, shops/restaurants/pubs are shut. Everyone is supposed to be staying indoors as much as possible. So at a time with this unprecedented fall in the spending that families are making (I've saved so much since last March), is it really right that those on Universal Credit get £6bn extra a year?

That £6bn could be spent elsewhere; NHS, schools, scientists, infrastructure, etc
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20/01/2021 10:44:16 26 11
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Yes, I am sure there is a crony somewhere to come up with a scheme that would rake in an 85% net profit margin to line their own pockets, while only15% gets to where it's actually needed.
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As usual those who are just about surviving by juggling their income are forgotten.
We don't have a laptop for our daughter even though we both work but do we complain.
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You're complaining now! Try Get Online At Home for low cost laptops https://www.getonlineathome.org/
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20/01/2021 15:09:07 1 2
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Yes, the reward for trying is less than the reward for not trying at all.
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20/01/2021 17:13:25 2 0
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Why can't she use the one you are now using, might be a better use.
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He/she moaned.
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When even a Tory describes them as "the nasty party", you know something is wrong.
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Actually, she - rather foolishly - said that people would think they were the nasty party. Hostage to fortune; and baby language.
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It's the same thing.

NASTY NASTY NASTY
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We don’t think we know a nasty bunch of creeps when we see them
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Nothing is free, those who work pay for it.
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Would rather pay for this than line the pockets of the Tory cabinet's mates and donors. We need to look out for each other as a country.
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most universal credit claimants are workers
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What about extending it to those in receipt of 'legacy' benefits (who have not yet moved to UC) - including disabled (esa), carers ,jsa and income support? As a disabled person I have seen my expenses rocket, yet no help from the Govt - although in the same situation, and in some circumstances the same benefit as others
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It’s clear from the cases that regularly get to Supreme Court, the government doesn’t want anything other than to save money where ever possible even if it clearly shows discrimination or harm.
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20/01/2021 11:34:14 2 0
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be careful what you wish for, I've read articles/reports stating UC less generous than 'legacy' benefits & claimants worse off when they are switched over.
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Of course we couldn't possibly look to the wealthy to contribute a little more in times of crisis.
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20/01/2021 10:53:22 127 69
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Do you not think a 40% or 45% over £150,00 tax rate is high enough? I personally think giving 40% of the money I've earned is plenty.
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20/01/2021 11:02:21 55 0
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If you've created a business from scratch that employs hundreds of people in the UK & abroad, paying proper rates of business & personal income tax and become wealthy as a result, I'd argue you've already done a lot.

If, however, you inherited your wealth, dodge taxes and sell govt contracts while pocketing a bit for yourself, then yes, pay more.
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Some people are unfortunate, some need to proritise, and plenty are greedy and wasteful.
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20/01/2021 11:13:30 21 11
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Something like 30% of all income tax is paid by 1% of the richest taxpayers.
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Going to be difficult to word this in a way that isn't deemed derisory but the majority of those trotted out on TV or who you see out and about who need consider £20 a lifeline all lack something in common. Drive and ambition.

I get that the sofa can be cosy, but no use moaning about high-fliers needing to pay more than 40/45% tax when you are sat idle. How about you join them? Learn a trade.
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20/01/2021 11:25:30 8 0
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I agree to a point with your comment. But it is the multi-millionaires that need to pay more tax and also large corporate companies that go through tax havens. World governments should put an end to tax havens for the rich.
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20/01/2021 12:08:17 4 0
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30% of tax is already paid by just 1% of the people. Think you'll find they're doing their bit and some. But if envy makes you feel better...
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20/01/2021 12:45:18 1 2
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The "wealthy", senior Nurses, teachers, train drivers, small shop owners, plumbers are paying most of the countries bills, the majority pay little or nothing. Labour always put unemployment up in office and the reason, they tax those with disposable income. No disposable income no new windows, new drives, new extensions etc. The government has no money, it's all other people's wages.
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20/01/2021 12:53:06 5 0
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With a third of the population on benefits, and only about three percent 'wealthy', I'm not sure that would work (and it has previously been shown that punitive taxes on the rich actually reduce tax revenue).
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20/01/2021 13:02:56 1 1
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just heard that Price George is worth £2b........ what does a 7 year old need £2b for - come on wee man - give a billion to the starving!
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No and rightly so
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20/01/2021 15:07:19 1 0
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We could have a referendum of all taxpayers & see if they're willing to contribute the extra tax to make it possible.

Then again, if your friends & family are the ones struggling, why wouldn't you bypass the red tape & give them the extra £20 yourself. Perhaps more to the point, were you already helping them?

We have a minimum wage, it should be set high enough that none need benefits.
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20/01/2021 21:02:09 3 0
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Typical left wing tripe. Look at how much someone earning £100-150k a year pays in tax and compare that to someone earning £30k. Then (with a straight face) tell me the person on £150k isnt paying their fair share! The problem is we have the low paid contributing very little AND taking handouts. The moderately rich aint the problem!
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If people are struggling then fair enough. But as a tax payer I don't want to see this as a permanent measure which I fear it may become.
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20/01/2021 10:45:33 17 4
bbc
You'd rather see your taxes spent on what exactly? Handouts for the Tory donors?
5
20/01/2021 10:38:45 245 18
bbc
Why are taxpayers subsidising low paid worker? Isnt it time that the min wage was of a satisfactory level? It seems all the taxpayer is doing is helping corporations increase there profit margins cos they too mean to properly pay staff.
37
20/01/2021 10:45:40 118 45
bbc
Corporate subsidies are OK, according to Tories.

Helping taxpayers is not allowed, apparently.
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20/01/2021 11:33:06 6 0
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Cause that's communism apparently, it just doesnt count when its only corporations benefiting from it
How about only giving the £20 universal benefit top-up to families where neither of the parents smoke or drink alcohol?

Or perhaps the Comrades don't want people to suffer 'fag & booze poverty'?
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20/01/2021 10:48:48 11 7
bbc
Does anyone tell you what to spend your money on? No. Why should people receiving benefits be told what to spend the money on?
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20/01/2021 10:49:16 1 2
bbc
typical race to bottom argument perhaps if the rich stopped avoiding tax we could easily afford to allow people to eat
279
20/01/2021 11:25:57 0 1
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How about giving pensioners in the UK a massive rise, considering their retirement pension is one of the lowest in w.europe - the joys of being the '5th richest' economy?
What is it they say about judging a country on how they look after the elderly?
UN report?
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20/01/2021 10:42:29 50 46
bbc
Seems to be an endless supply of money for lining the pockets of the cronies with obscene amounts, but nothing for ordinary people struck by hard times. Seems like the payback for the 'borrowed red wall' has dried up already.

Unite in 4 years time to turf out the rotten Tories.
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20/01/2021 10:45:54 25 36
bbc
They are the nasty party.
13
20/01/2021 10:40:09 66 48
bbc
Holidays are banned, shops/restaurants/pubs are shut. Everyone is supposed to be staying indoors as much as possible. So at a time with this unprecedented fall in the spending that families are making (I've saved so much since last March), is it really right that those on Universal Credit get £6bn extra a year?

That £6bn could be spent elsewhere; NHS, schools, scientists, infrastructure, etc
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20/01/2021 10:46:06 9 3
bbc
Of course we can pay these people who need it.remember the 350 million a week we dont have to pay the Eu.oh wait ,was that not true then?what a shocker that would be.any party with Preti Patel deserves to be called nasty.
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20/01/2021 10:46:20 4 8
bbc
It is only a 5% increase
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20/01/2021 10:48:06 9 0
bbc
£20 a week would be a 50% increase for most carers
17
20/01/2021 10:40:47 31 30
bbc
Why do Labour always call the Tories "The Nasty Party" ?

Do Tory supporters hound those that disagree with them ? Are they completely intolerant of any of views but their own ? Did they have a leader such as Corbyn (and we all know what views on certain sections of society he holds) ?

It' Labour who are the "Nasty Party".
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20/01/2021 10:46:32 0 10
bbc
Labour are the separationist party.
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20/01/2021 10:53:19 3 3
bbc
Labour are the jealousy party.
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20/01/2021 10:44:37 22 19
bbc
Actually, she - rather foolishly - said that people would think they were the nasty party. Hostage to fortune; and baby language.
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20/01/2021 10:46:37 6 9
bbc
It's the same thing.

NASTY NASTY NASTY
44
20/01/2021 10:46:50 25 31
bbc
nasty party? or nasty lazy parents who spend monies on mobile phones, nail bars
, cigs etc.

They have no idea of real poverty.
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20/01/2021 10:49:50 5 11
bbc
YAWN
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dg
20/01/2021 10:50:15 4 1
bbc
So impressed that you know the details of every individual family's financial and domestic circumstances. (Or perhaps you don't really and are blowing a right wing dog whistle)
77
20/01/2021 10:51:29 6 1
bbc
The UN certainly had when they slated the UK on poverty?
The 5th richest economy on earth(?) being revealed, for all the world to see, as a country that doesn't care a damn about poverty & division.
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20/01/2021 10:53:24 2 1
bbc
Propaganda.
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20/01/2021 11:26:12 1 0
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YAWN.... Maybe have a word with the Benefits office and Government that have a system where you need a mobile phone to apply for universal credit and do job search... Comments like yours show you are either retired or just so out of touch with modern reality and the workforce and are more at risk of been slung into unemployment in the coming times ahead than you may think...
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20/01/2021 10:38:46 13 18
bbc
Embittered, probably sacked, EX adviser seeking revenge.

The Nasty Party that has spent over £80m on schemes to try to save as many jobs as possible.

Oh and what part of temporary are some people having difficulty understanding???
45
20/01/2021 10:47:06 3 1
bbc
They were protecting their own pockets and those of the cronies by not allowing the entire economy to collapse. Let's not pretend they did that out of the goodness of their hearts.
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20/01/2021 10:44:49 9 14
bbc
Nothing is free, those who work pay for it.
46
20/01/2021 10:47:10 17 3
bbc
Would rather pay for this than line the pockets of the Tory cabinet's mates and donors. We need to look out for each other as a country.
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20/01/2021 10:54:19 2 1
bbc
Nasty people support the Nasty Party
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20/01/2021 11:01:19 3 0
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Unfortunately the vocal minority only care about themselves. They are the same people that won't wear a mask or follow the rules because it infringes their rights while at the same time try to tell everyone else what they should be thinking and doing.
29
20/01/2021 10:43:46 10 25
bbc
If people are struggling then fair enough. But as a tax payer I don't want to see this as a permanent measure which I fear it may become.
47
20/01/2021 10:47:24 6 2
bbc
Everyone pays tax, working or not. Ever heard of VAT ????
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20/01/2021 10:40:09 66 48
bbc
Holidays are banned, shops/restaurants/pubs are shut. Everyone is supposed to be staying indoors as much as possible. So at a time with this unprecedented fall in the spending that families are making (I've saved so much since last March), is it really right that those on Universal Credit get £6bn extra a year?

That £6bn could be spent elsewhere; NHS, schools, scientists, infrastructure, etc
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20/01/2021 10:47:31 14 1
bbc
'..is it really right that those on Universal Credit get £6bn extra a year?'

Considering UK benefit rates are one of the lowest in w. Europe (as is the retirement pension - joys of being the 5th richest economy?), and bearing in mind the shameful UN report, i'd say that's a 'yes'?
Considering this lot cheered nurses not getting payrises as they grabbed a 7.5k rise themselves, i'd say not likely.
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20/01/2021 10:40:08 19 17
bbc
Nasty Party, that's the Tories.

nasty nasty nasty
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20/01/2021 10:47:35 3 2
bbc
Elected, elected, elected.
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20/01/2021 10:40:35 14 18
bbc
'former homelessness adviser'

'former' for a reason.

Poverty or wreck less spending by bad parents?
50
20/01/2021 10:47:44 7 3
bbc
I think you mean Reckless. Although bad parents do wreck lives.
68
20/01/2021 10:50:26 4 0
bbc
You've just demonstrated why Tories are the nasty party.
51
20/01/2021 10:47:44 9 18
bbc
Apparently, any decision not to give an extra £20 is characterised as a "cut" to benefits.
76
20/01/2021 10:51:22 4 5
bbc
We are in a national crisis right now. Did no-one tell you ??????
13
20/01/2021 10:40:09 66 48
bbc
Holidays are banned, shops/restaurants/pubs are shut. Everyone is supposed to be staying indoors as much as possible. So at a time with this unprecedented fall in the spending that families are making (I've saved so much since last March), is it really right that those on Universal Credit get £6bn extra a year?

That £6bn could be spent elsewhere; NHS, schools, scientists, infrastructure, etc
52
20/01/2021 10:47:50 11 6
bbc
Try ‘saving’ on UC. You won’t. Spending will not have dropped for folk on UC. They are still trying to pay rent, bills and feed their kids on a paltry sum. You, and me, are in a different league.
41
20/01/2021 10:46:20 4 8
bbc
It is only a 5% increase
53
20/01/2021 10:48:06 9 0
bbc
£20 a week would be a 50% increase for most carers
54
20/01/2021 10:48:38 1 9
bbc
I totally agree with the last comment
How about only giving the £20 universal benefit top-up to families where neither of the parents smoke or drink alcohol?

Or perhaps the Comrades don't want people to suffer 'fag & booze poverty'?
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20/01/2021 10:48:48 11 7
bbc
Does anyone tell you what to spend your money on? No. Why should people receiving benefits be told what to spend the money on?
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20/01/2021 10:54:58 2 0
bbc
Because it's our tax money they are being given, perhaps, and supporting people who have a larger pro-rata income than I do seems to be punishing me for having a job.
202
20/01/2021 11:12:35 2 1
bbc
Because it is taxpayers money! Unbelievable question.
56
20/01/2021 10:48:50 8 14
bbc
How strange the BBC opens up an HYS on this ?
72
20/01/2021 10:51:00 12 5
bbc
I know. Democracy can be so puzzling, right ?
75
20/01/2021 10:51:07 3 0
bbc
Why?
15
20/01/2021 10:40:35 14 18
bbc
'former homelessness adviser'

'former' for a reason.

Poverty or wreck less spending by bad parents?
57
20/01/2021 10:49:05 5 1
bbc
Stop reading The Daily Mail. It's scrambling your brains.
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20/01/2021 10:40:50 53 76
bbc
Blah blah blah. Anyone gonna mention "plasma screens" ? Yawn.
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Me
20/01/2021 10:49:20 20 7
bbc
I think tech has moved on now dear, do keep up.
84
20/01/2021 10:52:56 22 21
bbc
The comment was aimed at luddite Daily Heil readers. Do keep up.
15
20/01/2021 10:40:35 14 18
bbc
'former homelessness adviser'

'former' for a reason.

Poverty or wreck less spending by bad parents?
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20/01/2021 10:49:28 5 1
bbc
She has achieved more with her life than you will ever do, grandad.
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20/01/2021 10:40:08 19 17
bbc
Nasty Party, that's the Tories.

nasty nasty nasty
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20/01/2021 10:49:45 3 2
bbc
Baby language x 3.
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20/01/2021 10:49:48 27 21
bbc
Raise the upper rate of income tax by 2p and you cover this and have change. The better off can easily afford that. The only problem is a lack of will on the government benches.
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20/01/2021 10:52:32 16 15
bbc
Good of you to decide what everybody else can or cant afford
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20/01/2021 11:08:39 3 5
bbc
Lots of left wing commentators want other people to pay more tax.
227
20/01/2021 11:02:21 1 1
bbc
what's wrong with you improving your situation rather than sniping jealous comments
545
20/01/2021 12:14:48 0 0
bbc
Why should the better off pay? It's not your money.
44
20/01/2021 10:46:50 25 31
bbc
nasty party? or nasty lazy parents who spend monies on mobile phones, nail bars
, cigs etc.

They have no idea of real poverty.
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20/01/2021 10:49:50 5 11
bbc
YAWN
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20/01/2021 10:49:55 15 15
bbc
Its scary the amount of people who don't understand government. Thus isn't their money to give away! Every additional £20 is taken from the rest of the people paying taxes who are themselves struggling to keep their heads above water. There isn't a magical money tree, if you give more to some, you have to take it away from someone else.
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20/01/2021 10:54:00 8 4
bbc
We can add you to that list of not understanding. Even falling for the 'magic money tree' analogy. The amount of money being request is absolute peanuts. You should be more concerned about the big slice of cake the rich receive, not the crumbs that the most vulnerable need.
95
20/01/2021 10:54:00 1 0
bbc
£5 from £2000 -0.25% per month to add £20 to £360 +5%
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20/01/2021 10:41:32 12 4
bbc
Childish troll
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Me
20/01/2021 10:50:06 1 0
bbc
When your alone and life is making you lonely - How fitting!
29
20/01/2021 10:43:46 10 25
bbc
If people are struggling then fair enough. But as a tax payer I don't want to see this as a permanent measure which I fear it may become.
65
20/01/2021 10:50:06 5 1
bbc
Maybe Boris can resurrect his Garden Bridge project. That would be a much more worthy use of taxpayers' money. Or perhaps it could be used for another lorry park in Kent. Maybe some pot plants for the Portaloos down there.
44
20/01/2021 10:46:50 25 31
bbc
nasty party? or nasty lazy parents who spend monies on mobile phones, nail bars
, cigs etc.

They have no idea of real poverty.
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dg
20/01/2021 10:50:15 4 1
bbc
So impressed that you know the details of every individual family's financial and domestic circumstances. (Or perhaps you don't really and are blowing a right wing dog whistle)
5
20/01/2021 10:38:45 245 18
bbc
Why are taxpayers subsidising low paid worker? Isnt it time that the min wage was of a satisfactory level? It seems all the taxpayer is doing is helping corporations increase there profit margins cos they too mean to properly pay staff.
67
20/01/2021 10:50:23 20 9
bbc
The stop using companies like Amazon who pay no tax.....
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20/01/2021 20:49:20 0 0
bbc
Except they do. They pay what the tax system obliges them to pay.
50
20/01/2021 10:47:44 7 3
bbc
I think you mean Reckless. Although bad parents do wreck lives.
68
20/01/2021 10:50:26 4 0
bbc
You've just demonstrated why Tories are the nasty party.
69
20/01/2021 10:50:29 13 15
bbc
Any headline calling for the government to spend money on this that and the other should be banned It should read hard working taxpayers money The government doesn't have any money
79
20/01/2021 10:52:15 4 3
bbc
What makes you think taxpayers are hard working? The Government would disagree with you.
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20/01/2021 10:52:54 0 0
bbc
The government borrows money.
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20/01/2021 10:45:16 20 12
bbc
What about extending it to those in receipt of 'legacy' benefits (who have not yet moved to UC) - including disabled (esa), carers ,jsa and income support? As a disabled person I have seen my expenses rocket, yet no help from the Govt - although in the same situation, and in some circumstances the same benefit as others
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20/01/2021 10:50:29 14 7
bbc
It’s clear from the cases that regularly get to Supreme Court, the government doesn’t want anything other than to save money where ever possible even if it clearly shows discrimination or harm.
5
20/01/2021 10:38:45 245 18
bbc
Why are taxpayers subsidising low paid worker? Isnt it time that the min wage was of a satisfactory level? It seems all the taxpayer is doing is helping corporations increase there profit margins cos they too mean to properly pay staff.
71
20/01/2021 10:50:43 31 22
bbc
Problem is people having babies as consumer objects, with the idea that the state will keep them through augmented benefits.
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20/01/2021 11:59:07 8 9
bbc
Utter rubbish and an immature comment from somebody who knows nothing of real life challenges parents and families are going through. Give your head a shake and join the real world, not your sanctimonious world that’s clouding your thinking.
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20/01/2021 13:44:25 4 1
bbc
Many people receiving UC are childless workers.

The argument that the welfare state somehow causes childbirth simply does not stand up to any scrutiny, despite being a popular prejudice, oft repeated by the alt-right

Ethiopians facing starvation have babies. People have babies regardless of the economics or and state support. People had babies before the welfare state existed.
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20/01/2021 10:48:50 8 14
bbc
How strange the BBC opens up an HYS on this ?
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20/01/2021 10:51:00 12 5
bbc
I know. Democracy can be so puzzling, right ?
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20/01/2021 11:09:30 2 0
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If there was democracy on the BBC, all the articles would be open for comment. right?
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20/01/2021 10:40:08 19 17
bbc
Nasty Party, that's the Tories.

nasty nasty nasty
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bbc
Do you need a Fruit Shoot and a little sleep? Removed
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20/01/2021 10:51:06 87 43
bbc
An extra £20 a week for those on Universal Credit is absolute peanuts in the grand scheme of things. The vast, vast majority of the 5.6m families on some sort of UC are working people. I don't understand the resentment and total lack of empathy people on here show those who are worse off them. You don't seem to mind the government handing out far more of your taxes to their cronies.
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20/01/2021 10:56:31 41 13
bbc
37% of UC claimants are in work (ONS), although mostly very low paid. I don't mind giving some sort of extra to those who work, I don't want to give extra to those who don't and get full benefits. We should be asking "why should a working person on furlough get 20% less than their wage" - let's be honest, you budget for what you get paid then have to lose 20% - seems very unfair to me.
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20/01/2021 11:03:08 13 6
bbc
Sadly it isn’t peanuts. Supporting the lowest paid is fine, but what about all the people on UC who receive more than the national average wage. A bit of perspective needed, not the usual ‘it doesnot cost much’ mantra
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20/01/2021 11:05:25 10 15
bbc
The welfare system costs over £100 billion a year. This is not peanuts.

There are plenty of left-leaning people in the public sector who earn big salaries. I bet they wouldn't have got those jobs if their faces did not fit. There are plenty of leftie cronies.
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20/01/2021 11:15:34 8 3
bbc
As for 'far better off than them' I work in a place where I have to evidence the income of UC claimants who don't work - they are better off than me. My pride wouldn't let me go on UC unless desperate. What we give in taxes etc should come back to us in good public services (NHS, facilities etc) not in the pockets of the rich.
314
20/01/2021 11:34:18 12 4
bbc
They've swallowed the right wing rag line that it's all the fault of those poorer/browner.

The inconvenient facts, like
- pensions cost the by far biggest slice of social spend
- give money to the poorer and they will spend it in the local economy
- we found £500bn to tell the banks they're too big to fail (and I work for a bank)
get sideswiped by Daily Mail whines about it all going on cigs.
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20/01/2021 15:52:32 2 0
bbc
Trouble is that people who use and abuse the system have easy life. I know someone who never worked and receives nearly £2,000 a month (tax free) in benefits (UC, Council Tax reducion, PIP, Child Benefit) - which is more that many people I know get for working full time. This is the injustice, which feels like a kick in the teeth for the people who work and contribute to the system.
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20/01/2021 17:05:48 1 0
bbc
Hardly "peanuts" at £5,824,000,000 a year.

An extra £20 a week is about an 11.5% increase ofnstate pension, even with triple lock it's a fat chance they'll get that much, this or any other year in the near future. At about £175 a week, a pension is less than an adult on minimum wage of 40 hour week, who gets £348.80, almost twice as much. So it's a big increase to someone on a pension or MW.
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20/01/2021 20:10:58 0 0
bbc
If you really are that strapped that you need the extra £20 then what about increasing the work you do, it equates to an extra 2.5 hours a week. In 2010 my business was struggling and I had to let 2 people go while taking less than £800/month myself so I could pay the others, so I started some internet trading in the evening to earn some extra, that's what you do, not rely on others for handouts.
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20/01/2021 10:48:50 8 14
bbc
How strange the BBC opens up an HYS on this ?
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20/01/2021 10:51:07 3 0
bbc
Why?
51
20/01/2021 10:47:44 9 18
bbc
Apparently, any decision not to give an extra £20 is characterised as a "cut" to benefits.
76
20/01/2021 10:51:22 4 5
bbc
We are in a national crisis right now. Did no-one tell you ??????
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20/01/2021 11:11:22 1 0
bbc
All the money the government has spent on this crisis, about £150 billion, will have to be recouped from taxpayers at some point.

Did no one tell you?????
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20/01/2021 10:46:50 25 31
bbc
nasty party? or nasty lazy parents who spend monies on mobile phones, nail bars
, cigs etc.

They have no idea of real poverty.
77
20/01/2021 10:51:29 6 1
bbc
The UN certainly had when they slated the UK on poverty?
The 5th richest economy on earth(?) being revealed, for all the world to see, as a country that doesn't care a damn about poverty & division.
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20/01/2021 10:51:31 12 20
bbc
Why are food parcels full of branded food such as Heinz?

Surely, this is a waste of money.

Any money vouchers should not allow the purchase of branded products. Many people who work cannot afford branded products. Why should people on benefits be given or be able to purchase such over-priced products. If they buy them, it shows they are getting too much.
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20/01/2021 10:53:43 10 1
bbc
The items are donated, if some people donate Heinz beans then some recipients get Heinz beans.
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20/01/2021 10:55:36 5 0
bbc
They are gifted
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20/01/2021 10:57:19 3 0
bbc
Because "Beanz means Heinz"
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20/01/2021 10:58:30 0 2
bbc
It's about Nasty Party cronies making a profit from the poor.

Nothing else.
69
20/01/2021 10:50:29 13 15
bbc
Any headline calling for the government to spend money on this that and the other should be banned It should read hard working taxpayers money The government doesn't have any money
79
20/01/2021 10:52:15 4 3
bbc
What makes you think taxpayers are hard working? The Government would disagree with you.
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20/01/2021 10:52:29 24 20
bbc
Several feeble attempts to deflect attention away from the "Nasty Party" on to the Labour Party that hasn't been in office over the past decade.

All you Tories have to do is trot out the govt policy statement of:-

"We are reviewing the situation" meaning don't bother us with that.
146
20/01/2021 11:02:29 12 16
bbc
All you Labour people make lots of complaints, and you want to spend unlimited amounts of money because you do not have to account for it. You only policy is the magic money tree.
201
20/01/2021 10:59:11 1 5
bbc
There are very good reasons why Labour has been out of power and will remain so
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20/01/2021 10:49:48 27 21
bbc
Raise the upper rate of income tax by 2p and you cover this and have change. The better off can easily afford that. The only problem is a lack of will on the government benches.
81
20/01/2021 10:52:32 16 15
bbc
Good of you to decide what everybody else can or cant afford
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20/01/2021 10:57:14 5 6
bbc
You are welcome. I do know that I can afford to pay a bit more. I'm not wealthy by any means and I'd probably have to cut back on a few luxuries if my net pay dropped by £25 a month or so but so what? This is a crisis, we all have to help.
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20/01/2021 11:39:33 3 0
bbc
I pay 45%. Will gladly pay 47, even 50%. More if we had a grown-up, national discussion about it. I've worked to get where I am, but I'm under no illusion that we live in a meritocracy.

I don't want to live in an unequal country, and I'd much rather my tax goes to help those less fortunate, than to Govt spivs or to cover gaps left by tax-dodgers.
82
20/01/2021 10:52:33 0 13
bbc
I can't comment on this, the whole thing leaves me cold.
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20/01/2021 10:43:35 14 16
bbc
Keep the benefits uplift and pay for it with increased fuel duty. It's the responsible thing to do, and would restore Johnson's green credentials following the Cumbria coalmine disgrace.
83
20/01/2021 10:52:33 8 2
bbc
Which would in turn increase the price of food and goods and so reduce the benefit of the £20. Probably would need to increase it to £30.
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20/01/2021 10:49:20 20 7
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I think tech has moved on now dear, do keep up.
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20/01/2021 10:52:56 22 21
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The comment was aimed at luddite Daily Heil readers. Do keep up.
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20/01/2021 11:49:24 3 0
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I was already in front, should give you something to aspire to.
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20/01/2021 10:37:38 11 8
bbc
The people most affected by this will be in former Red Wall seats.

Oh dear.
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20/01/2021 11:00:35 2 5
bbc
Oh dear, what?
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20/01/2021 10:38:48 13 15
bbc
Why don't they change the name from Conservative Party to Nasty Party ?

It would make more sense.
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20/01/2021 10:59:57 6 7
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It would make more sense for you to stop making nasty comments. Millions of voters voted Conservative at the last election, including many former Labour supporters. Are they all nasty?
Removed
Removed
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Give up the fags, booze and junk takeaways Removed
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20/01/2021 10:54:40 0 1
bbc
Boring hardly covers it. Read a different paper.
105
20/01/2021 10:55:05 0 2
bbc
Hang on ! Their 'Human Rights' !!
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20/01/2021 10:57:31 0 0
bbc
Set the example and give to the poor.
42
20/01/2021 10:46:32 0 10
bbc
Labour are the separationist party.
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Me
20/01/2021 10:53:19 3 3
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Labour are the jealousy party.
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20/01/2021 10:45:24 121 45
bbc
Of course we couldn't possibly look to the wealthy to contribute a little more in times of crisis.
90
20/01/2021 10:53:22 127 69
bbc
Do you not think a 40% or 45% over £150,00 tax rate is high enough? I personally think giving 40% of the money I've earned is plenty.
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20/01/2021 10:58:17 35 62
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Stop crying about paying "too much tax". People who earn 150K a year or more should hang their heads in shame whilst others are struggling to buy food and pay bills!
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20/01/2021 11:05:35 33 12
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If you were to say Mark that 80% were plenty to pay in taxes to support those who feel hard done by, it would still not be enough for many on this HYS.
Fortunately the majority of the U.K. population agree 40% is generous and it is this majority at the ballot box that matter.
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20/01/2021 11:11:41 24 12
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Completely agree, the way things are going there will be little incentive for people to look for work. Getting sick and tired of seeing folk even before COVID loafing about with no intention of looking for work.
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20/01/2021 11:21:18 22 5
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Agreed High tax rates eventually persuaded me to work less, pay less tax and national insurance, and have more time for myself and my family
Governments need to be very careful not to raise income taxes further if they want the economy to recover and grow
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20/01/2021 11:28:31 7 8
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Except by the time they've moved it into offshore bank accounts, etc, they're suddenly not paying 40-45% of their taxes. Not to mention corporate tax avoidance. Stop boot licking. They won't thank you for it.
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20/01/2021 11:31:00 7 2
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To be fair to you Mark, i am sure you probably work hard to earn that money for yourself and your family. I am sure that you drive a nice car and have a nice house in the burbs, all of which i have no problem with. But when your time comes to be on benefit then you will see the difference (i hope it never does).
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20/01/2021 11:47:48 0 7
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Not nearly high enough because nobody "earns" that much money- are the efforts of FTSE 100 CEO's really worth that of 200 nurses? The higher the salaries of the rentier class the more surplus value has been extracted from working peoples' labour *before tax*. Moreover, as a proportion of income the top 10% of "earners" pay less than the bottom 10%. Time to end the rigged system.
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20/01/2021 11:32:22 2 3
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It means you work 2 days a week for the government and 3 days a week for yourself. You are a part time slave.
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20/01/2021 11:40:16 6 4
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You are absolutely correct. I am fed up with giving most of my salary every month. And I am also fed up with this idea that people on UC are getting £73 per week... Most people I know on UC are getting £200 per week and live in Central London. £73 is the bare minimum... Not to mention that we are already spending 100bn on benefits every year!
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20/01/2021 11:50:45 3 3
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You are absolutely correct. 50% of the population has never paid taxes...

Most people on UC that I know are getting much more than £73 pw. Most are on 200 pw and live in central London...

People are saying that 1/3 of UC claimers are working - yes, part time ... I want to work only 2 days a week and get sal for 5 days

Abolish the 12.5k tax allowance - everyone should have skin in the game...
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20/01/2021 12:46:42 5 1
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Your speaking my language, I am fed up of my hard work being given to lay abouts. 40-45% is enough tax, it should not be increased anymore
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20/01/2021 12:49:44 4 1
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There are far too many paying NO TAX and they shout the loudest about the "rich" not paying enough. If there is no point to work hard or take a risk you end up with communism, food queues, no choice, high unemployment and cars from the 1940's. We need to stop spending and make everyone a tax payer so they stop asking for more spending.
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20/01/2021 13:07:17 1 1
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It doesn't work like that and you know it. Stop being disingenuous.
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20/01/2021 13:22:50 2 2
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You don't earn 150K, you're paid it.
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20/01/2021 13:39:13 1 0
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If you factor in NI and consider 2% NI band at higher rate tax, the tax bands are actually:
20% + 15% = 35% lower rate, and
40% + 2% = 42% higher rate
7% difference, not "double"
And if you factor in the lower tax brackets those in the higher band also benefit from, it is actually even closer
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20/01/2021 17:09:21 0 0
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Here here
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20/01/2021 17:15:58 0 0
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But they do not because there are so many tax breaks they avoid having to.
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20/01/2021 22:30:36 0 0
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It is more than plenty to give to the scroungers!
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20/01/2021 10:40:35 14 18
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'former homelessness adviser'

'former' for a reason.

Poverty or wreck less spending by bad parents?
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20/01/2021 10:53:41 3 2
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#okboomer
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20/01/2021 10:51:31 12 20
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Why are food parcels full of branded food such as Heinz?

Surely, this is a waste of money.

Any money vouchers should not allow the purchase of branded products. Many people who work cannot afford branded products. Why should people on benefits be given or be able to purchase such over-priced products. If they buy them, it shows they are getting too much.
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20/01/2021 10:53:43 10 1
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The items are donated, if some people donate Heinz beans then some recipients get Heinz beans.
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20/01/2021 10:39:46 14 4
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Maybe the banks could repay their debt to us, from 2008 ?

And what about corporate tax evasion ?
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20/01/2021 10:53:51 1 1
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Neither of those things would raise enough money to pay off our debts
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20/01/2021 11:04:29 0 1
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They would help though.
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20/01/2021 10:49:55 15 15
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Its scary the amount of people who don't understand government. Thus isn't their money to give away! Every additional £20 is taken from the rest of the people paying taxes who are themselves struggling to keep their heads above water. There isn't a magical money tree, if you give more to some, you have to take it away from someone else.
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20/01/2021 10:54:00 8 4
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We can add you to that list of not understanding. Even falling for the 'magic money tree' analogy. The amount of money being request is absolute peanuts. You should be more concerned about the big slice of cake the rich receive, not the crumbs that the most vulnerable need.
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20/01/2021 11:07:51 0 3
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Universal Credit costs tens of billions every year. It is not 'absolute peanuts". The rich may make money, but they do not receive anything much directly from the state.
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20/01/2021 10:49:55 15 15
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Its scary the amount of people who don't understand government. Thus isn't their money to give away! Every additional £20 is taken from the rest of the people paying taxes who are themselves struggling to keep their heads above water. There isn't a magical money tree, if you give more to some, you have to take it away from someone else.
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20/01/2021 10:54:00 1 0
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£5 from £2000 -0.25% per month to add £20 to £360 +5%
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20/01/2021 10:54:10 13 8
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Tories have given hundreds of millions to their rich chums. No questions asked. The PPE scandal for example. The shipping line that never was. It's a long old list!

But when it comes to ordinary folk.....

Never trust a Tory.
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20/01/2021 10:57:49 11 14
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Never trust a socialist. They talk the language of equality, but they want to silence and then to damage those who disagree with them. Many, like Corbyn and Starmer, come from privileged backgrounds but but they try to hide it.
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20/01/2021 10:54:24 6 8
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This was given as extra support in the present crisis , so when the crisis is over it should be withdrawn. However it is always harder to take away something than it is to give .I do not envy the Chancellor, there will always be someone complaining about this whenever he dos it .
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20/01/2021 10:55:49 8 0
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You are going to have to define "when the crisis is over"
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20/01/2021 10:39:26 28 24
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Vallance agrees with Starmer, and indeed most of us. Johnson has been too indecisive with the covid pandemic. Too little done and too late.
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20/01/2021 10:41:18 8 7
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I disagree: BoJo did all that he had to do to extend the problem and give 'experts' something to 'manage.'
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20/01/2021 10:43:03 12 10
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Nasty is far too kind a word
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20/01/2021 12:27:37 0 1
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For the hard line lefties.
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20/01/2021 10:43:33 30 23
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Rishi Sunak is husband to a billionaire and lives in a £7 million house. In the nicest possible way, how can he ever empathise and truly understand the challenges of the most poor in our society?
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20/01/2021 10:59:13 13 20
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Couldn't care less !

Would rather have someone off the unemployment register as Chancellor?

Get real !!
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20/01/2021 11:01:58 7 8
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So, he should lose his job, divorce his wife, move out and live in a mud hut.
Then he'll empathise and attain enlightenment, but be in no position to do anything about it. lol
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20/01/2021 11:02:03 8 4
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The same way that many Labour MP's who are, or partners are, millionaires, live in nice houses, and would not recognize poverty if it bit them on the a*** too