Covid: Positive antibody tests doubled since autumn
19/01/2021 | news | health | 2,367
Some 10% of the UK population is showing signs of recent infection, a doubling since October, says ONS.
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19/01/2021 11:14:47 8 31
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Sheep with herd immunity.
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19/01/2021 11:19:51 22 4
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The challenge with such a short sentence is trying to work out if you are a conspiracy nut who denies COVID's existence or were making a joke at their expense that didn't quite work.
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19/01/2021 11:14:57 34 61
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96,000 people dead. Johnson and his lot have a lot to answer for.
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19/01/2021 11:17:26 46 10
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If the 96,000 had died from seasonal 'flu as people do every year, would you still be blaming the government, or would be blaming those who have died for not ensuring they had received their annual 'flu jab?
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19/01/2021 11:17:39 4 17
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EU population is a small percentage of the global population, yet with over half a million deaths on its hands it represents over a quarter of global deaths. EU and the corrupt cabal have a lot to answer for.
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19/01/2021 11:20:02 15 3
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Mistakes were made, both by government and by individuals. People die, the whole time and everyone's actions have consequences. Many people, and a particular foreign power, have a lot to answer for.
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19/01/2021 11:20:49 7 11
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Well said! It was so good to get on the beach during the summer but it was a bit cramped! Great to go on a blm march showing my solidarity with the suppressed minorities and fantastic to see all those statues toppled....
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19/01/2021 11:21:11 20 5
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How do you work that out? Nobody knows what a different approach or a different bunch making the decisions would have resulted in. I've never voted Tory in my life and nor will I but I think whoever had to call the shots during this deserves support and understanding not the constant sniping which helps nobody.
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19/01/2021 11:22:10 16 3
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So genius what would you have done to stop these deaths. Obviously you have the answer to this. Very easy to blame the Government, nothing to do with the idiots who didn't follow the rules
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19/01/2021 11:22:54 10 2
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Sir Keir would have waved his magic wand ?
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19/01/2021 11:31:12 2 2
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Not half as much as the minority of twonks including so called "celebrities" who only care about themselves and happily go about unmasked spreading the virus, In a very overpopulated country where space per person is far less than our EU neighbours of course it's going to spread and people die. Those decrying the vaccine, fine, just don't expect sympathy if/when you catch Covid and possibly die.
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19/01/2021 11:31:25 8 2
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IMHO we the people have more blood on our hands than the government.

The government didn't transmit this virus from person to person - WE DID by not following guidance correctly. Too many sought ways, and still do, to not do the right thing, WE KILLED these 96,000 through our actions and inactions but do we take responsibility? No we just look to blame government for our own failure.
You cant blame Boris for any of the infections. He introduced new legislation to prevent infected people from entering the country.......yesterday.
19/01/2021 15:09:04 2 1
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We should make a clear distinction that dying of covid is not the same as dying with covid.
The way we measure deaths is flawed and not always the same as other countries. The likes of heart attack and terminal cancer deaths are being included if positively tested within 28 days.
96,000 deaths is a tragedy for each individual family affected. But how many are wrongly attributed?
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19/01/2021 11:15:16 21 67
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More fake news from the BBC. Get the schools open and people back to work.
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19/01/2021 11:18:45 36 12
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96000 dead but it is ok another armchair expert reckons it is fake
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19/01/2021 11:22:03 8 3
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If you are serious, you should not be allowed to post.
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19/01/2021 11:22:15 4 2
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Yeah, there’s nothing like a fourth wave! ??
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19/01/2021 11:24:40 9 3
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You are an insult to all those that have become seriously ill or passed away from the effects of COVID. Either grow up, or go away & suckle on your comfort blanket of denial.
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19/01/2021 11:26:28 6 3
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Exactly what do you define as fake news in this article?

Otherwise yours is just a fake, fake news comment!
More fake news? I assume the other fake news is:

The virus is worse than the flu. There is any problems resulting from Brexit. Trump lost the election.

It is what people who include "fake news" in comments, tend to disbelieve.
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19/01/2021 11:40:19 4 3
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Fake news? My son has it, my daughter in law has it. My grandson has it. My neighbour has died from it. Get the facts before consigning it to the fake news room.
19/01/2021 15:35:09 1 0
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So no vaccine for you then Jeeves? Sincerely hope you won't be infected
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19/01/2021 11:15:17 28 34
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Makes you wonder how many have really had it. I reckon we're reaching a stage where 20% of population has antibodies. So expect infections to decrease - lock down or not, masks or no masks.
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19/01/2021 11:17:39 37 17
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So good to hear a I reckon from an armchair expert
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19/01/2021 11:18:17 2 3
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Potentially not if antibody protection lasts for 5 months or slightly more. Some may have antibodies but they may be beginning to wane and their protection therefore diminishing.
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19/01/2021 11:19:52 4 1
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Makes me think that too, if we underestimated infection rates all the way through...which most seem to agree to be the case (less so now vs March)..then the % of people with some immunity must be getting towards the 20% range, then add the great vax progress and at least gives some hope of getting an accelerated effect (acquired & Vax).
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19/01/2021 11:37:41 1 2
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This study gives the results for December.
Numbers certainly did not decrease at the start of January.
Lockdown has had more effect since 1st January than the level
of antibodies.
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Okay. And what's the point of a HYS on this? Removed
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19/01/2021 11:16:26 20 12
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So you can have your say...
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19/01/2021 11:21:36 7 1
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So the COVID deniers and antivax nutters can make inane comments and we can all ridicule them and downvote them?
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19/01/2021 11:21:40 1 1
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I have nothing to say about this HYS OK. At least not today.
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19/01/2021 11:23:06 2 1
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So you can find something to moan about

And you did
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19/01/2021 11:16:02 14 18
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"Exactly what this means for someone's likelihood to become infected again, however, is not fully known."

So what exactly is the point of this article?
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why
19/01/2021 11:21:51 1 7
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100% with you
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19/01/2021 11:23:29 7 2
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To inform you that it's not fully known what the likelihood of someone with antibodies is of them getting reinfected. Some of us appreciate "we don't know" as a useful answer to important questions.
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19/01/2021 11:24:56 8 2
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Just because the answer cannot be defined in precise terms does not mean the article is pointless. It is still informing people of the 'state of play' and right now. Too much of the population still has its collective head in the sand as to just how serious this is. Anything that might make them think is worth it.
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19/01/2021 11:41:30 4 2
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It is valuable to speculate about the unknown.
I feel informed by the article. Well done BBC.
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19/01/2021 11:42:14 4 2
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"So what exactly is the point of this article?"

Maybe the BBC were given a press release by the ONS and were obliged to report it. By the way, Sky news have reported the same statistics.
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19/01/2021 11:16:18 232 43
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Great news - essentially vaccinations... Hopefully this gives wider immunity faster and enables a withdrawal of restrictions. There really does appear to be light at the end of the tunnel.
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19/01/2021 11:18:01 96 492
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It's not light. It's a train coming that will run us all over. It's called a hype train.
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19/01/2021 11:38:01 17 19
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There are several more tunnels before we get out onto a clearer path.

Antibodies and vaccinations may not stop people catching and spreading the virus. but it may reduce R. In that case we will need more than the 60% thrown around to achieve herd immunity.

Even when every adult who can be has been vaccinated it may not be enough. Children and vaccine refusers may be enough to keep R above 1.
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19/01/2021 12:37:32 5 1
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Incredibly the idea of an end to the crisis seems to upset a lot of the trolls on here.
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19/01/2021 12:39:40 1 6
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The Truth About PCR Tests - https://youtu.be/EWNkJUDctdk

THE Important Lesson from Sweden - Short, Sharp and Viral! - https://youtu.be/D0KyWBksWrU

Crucial Viral Update Jan 4th - Europe and USA - Covers it ALL - rel="ugc nofollow noopener noreferrer" https://youtu.be/p_vAQyVlXzU
Okay. And what's the point of a HYS on this? Removed
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19/01/2021 11:16:26 20 12
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So you can have your say...
I assume someone forced you to comment?
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19/01/2021 11:22:46 2 2
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* whinge
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19/01/2021 11:16:35 9 39
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Horrified !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It sounds more or less like Africa who has a large pop who got infection of aids

Meantime another result shows 40% more death than normal in the UK and 100000 COVID deaths by far

This is genocide !
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19/01/2021 11:20:27 13 4
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Actually, it isn't.
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19/01/2021 11:21:57 1 4
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Genocide instigated by a Government far, far away
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19/01/2021 11:16:40 15 44
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Almost a year in, and I still don't know anyone who has tested +ve or who has displayed symptoms.
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19/01/2021 11:17:38 38 6
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Lucky you
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19/01/2021 11:18:08 4 5
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I know plenty, myself included, but do not know anyone who has died, or indeed been admitted to hospital
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JJ
19/01/2021 11:18:50 14 6
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got no mates?
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19/01/2021 11:18:55 8 3
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Lucky you.
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19/01/2021 11:19:52 8 3
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Count yourself very lucky then.
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19/01/2021 11:19:59 10 2
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You’ve been fortunate. We lost a family member and a close friend and a fair few neighbours have had Covid. Luck of the draw I guess.
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19/01/2021 11:20:01 13 5
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you must live a lonely life. I know around 10 people who have tested positive, and my partner knows 2 people who have died from covid complications. I guess I cant be too hard on you, sicne you have been staying at home on your own for years by the sounds of it.
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19/01/2021 11:20:12 2 2
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2 deaths and a further 2 positives but recovered and all those since November
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why
19/01/2021 11:21:15 3 4
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Not uncommon
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jo
19/01/2021 11:21:25 8 2
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Count yourself lucky. I know of about half a dozen, half of which ended up in hospital, all have suffered with long term symptoms, one has been told she has permanent damage to her lungs. The people who have had it tell us to avoid getting it at all costs and that is what I intend on doing.
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19/01/2021 11:21:32 5 3
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Where do you live? Are you are hermit?
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19/01/2021 11:22:15 3 2
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So you think the whole world revolves around your personal experience. I've known 4 people that had COVID, one of which is now seriously ill.
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19/01/2021 11:22:41 2 3
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'Billy no mates' over here
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19/01/2021 11:24:04 3 3
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You either live in the Isles of Scilly or live a very isolated life. I work in a school. We have had 126 positive cases at the last count. Separately I know of 3 people who have died from it and others who have had it.
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19/01/2021 11:29:49 1 3
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I know 4 who have had it .You must be that guy who lives alone on that wee island at the north end of the Shetlands , is that you ?
19/01/2021 13:25:42 1 3
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You are a very lucky person. I have lost a 37 year old cousin and my best mates Dad. Several members of my extended family have had positive tests.
19/01/2021 15:37:04 0 1
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How's your stay in cloud cuckoo land going?
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19/01/2021 11:17:02 115 106
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1 in 10 positive.... 96,000 dead....

Any idiot in a shop without a mask wants jail time - the time for "excuses" are well over....
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19/01/2021 11:20:39 50 42
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Apart from those who can show that they are exempt of course.
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Ian
19/01/2021 11:21:55 12 35
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"all over in 12 weeks" said boris, and these are the consequences. People in the summer allowed to mix, "eat out to help out", mixing at christmas. Just accept that the virus is here, we cannot eradicate it, we can vaccinate against it and still catch it. People will die in their thousands we either accept or wear masks in perpetuity.
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19/01/2021 11:23:16 41 32
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Please provide evidence that mask use impacts upon infection rates
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19/01/2021 11:34:09 3 6
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You sound very angry this morning!
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19/01/2021 12:16:58 14 8
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Most of the dead were killed by transmission in hospitals & care homes. Or by people who worked in those places bringing it home for their family.

Still waiting to hear of a clear case of transmission in a supermarket. There are dozens for hospitals. One in South Wales killed 35 .. but why don't you want to jail the people who run that hospital ?
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19/01/2021 12:13:37 8 21
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I have not worn a mask in the UK yet and I have no intention of starting now. I've only been challenged three times and only once threatened, and the fat slob doing the threatening backed down quickly enough when I didn't kowtow. I'm exempt and have no need to explain to you or anyone else why that is.
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19/01/2021 12:39:33 7 6
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Focussing on mask non compliance (which is a very small number) is ;like a dog barking at the postman and missing the burglar coming through the back door. Between March and June rates came right down even though no.one wore masks then. The real causes are poor government strategy and the problems around compliance with self isolation (only 20%).
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19/01/2021 12:41:12 5 8
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People in shops, idiots organising parties and employers forcing staff into a dangerous workplace should face MASSIVE fines rather than the petty amounts levied now. Jail costs us, the taxpayer, but confiscating goods and property would be a bigger deterrent.
19/01/2021 13:48:38 0 1
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I wouldn’t believe the figures; they’ve been no suicides, no seasonal flu deaths ( normally in tens of thousands). Gov action prob realistically saved20-30k people at a cost prob well over a trillion £ !! Mainly people at the end of their life, or those not worried about their own health anyway. Should put money into malaria vaccine instead would genuinely save millions.
19/01/2021 15:37:47 0 1
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Hanging's too good for the likes of 'em, eh?
20/01/2021 22:52:05 0 0
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are masks actually working?, most I see are ill fitted or dirty, and people are constantly adjusting them by hand, then touching other common touch points.
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19/01/2021 11:17:16 17 37
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We will become the first European country to hit 100k deaths. Maybe some tough questions bbc rather than pandering to pro Tory propaganda disguised as news and allowing them to rattle on unchallenged.

If you need help, get your journalists to watch piers Morgan and how he asks the questions. Everyone else is watching
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19/01/2021 11:19:52 9 13
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EU population is a small percentage of the global population, yet with over half a million deaths on its hands it represents over a quarter of global deaths. EU and the corrupt cabal have a lot to answer for.
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19/01/2021 11:20:01 6 2
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Pro-Tory BBC? Wow...
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19/01/2021 11:20:57 11 3
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Piers Morgan shouts and interrupts so much that you never get a chance to hear the answers, it's all about Piers which makes him a useless interviewer.
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19/01/2021 11:24:15 3 1
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No one watches Piers - he is an aggressive simpleton - And whilst I get the 'attack the gov' in terms of holding to account vs the performance (which agreed has not been the best!), I think the tough questions also need to be directed at PHE / NHS / SAGE around advise provided and more so directed leaks into the press to apply pressure to the decision makers.
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19/01/2021 11:24:33 3 3
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Agreed about the weak questioning from most of the media. There are a number of reasons why we're recording more Covid deaths - aging & unhealthy population, governmental mismanagement, lack of adherence to rules, and a different interpretation to other countries as to what constitutes a Covid-related death.
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19/01/2021 11:24:18 4 2
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They'd have to go to the Caribbean to ask Piers Morgan for his opinion. Is it any wonder infection rates are so high.

Maybe you should concentrate on accepting that this isn't 'Tory' propoganda any more than the constant whining and complaining of those who still can't accept the results of democracy in this country and that very few G'ments have got to this point without making mistakes?
19/01/2021 15:38:08 0 0
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I'm not watching the great man.
19/01/2021 17:12:08 0 0
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The words “bbc pandering to pro Tory propaganda” don’t belong in the same sentence . The BBC is as left wing as it gets......bordering on Marxist.
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19/01/2021 11:17:16 113 22
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If, after you have the virus you are immune for a few months, this even more than the vaccine is probably helping the NHS right now
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19/01/2021 11:55:08 202 46
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But folk obeying the rules during December would have helped the NHS much more
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19/01/2021 11:55:57 13 19
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"If, after you have the virus you are immune for a few months, this even more than the vaccine is probably helping the NHS right now"

Thank god Johnson and Hancock invented this vaccine otherwise we could have ended up with the highest death rate in the world....oh wait !
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19/01/2021 12:27:57 13 5
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Please, learn the difference between the virus (SARSCov2) and the disease (Covid 19)
Then learn the difference in terms of immunity between antibodies (which "fade") and T/B cells, which remain in the system, but dormant, detect NEW virus and make NEW antibodies.
They do not stop you inhaling, then passing on the VIRUS. They DO (generally) stop that virus causing a new infection of Covid 19.
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19/01/2021 12:56:15 1 6
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So you want to gamble with catching Covid. Potentially ending up in hospital. A good 33% of the population could do so. That isn't helping the NHS in any way shape or form.
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19/01/2021 11:17:21 2 6
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Antibodies flying about all over the place sadly not enough though I do think this is the way forward post vaccine.
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19/01/2021 11:19:02 2 4
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So the new variant is spreading herd immunity, that with the vaccine will pull most of through this terrible time, sadly not all.
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19/01/2021 11:14:57 34 61
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96,000 people dead. Johnson and his lot have a lot to answer for.
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19/01/2021 11:17:26 46 10
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If the 96,000 had died from seasonal 'flu as people do every year, would you still be blaming the government, or would be blaming those who have died for not ensuring they had received their annual 'flu jab?
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19/01/2021 11:16:40 15 44
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Almost a year in, and I still don't know anyone who has tested +ve or who has displayed symptoms.
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19/01/2021 11:17:38 38 6
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Lucky you
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19/01/2021 11:15:17 28 34
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Makes you wonder how many have really had it. I reckon we're reaching a stage where 20% of population has antibodies. So expect infections to decrease - lock down or not, masks or no masks.
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19/01/2021 11:17:39 37 17
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So good to hear a I reckon from an armchair expert
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19/01/2021 11:21:25 6 13
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I said "I reckon", not I know. I'm not a remoaner who lies constantly.
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19/01/2021 11:24:40 0 2
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it is thanks.
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19/01/2021 11:14:57 34 61
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96,000 people dead. Johnson and his lot have a lot to answer for.
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19/01/2021 11:17:39 4 17
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EU population is a small percentage of the global population, yet with over half a million deaths on its hands it represents over a quarter of global deaths. EU and the corrupt cabal have a lot to answer for.
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19/01/2021 11:21:09 14 3
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I don't understand your statement. How FFS is the EU to blame for a global pandemic which originated in China?
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19/01/2021 11:16:18 232 43
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Great news - essentially vaccinations... Hopefully this gives wider immunity faster and enables a withdrawal of restrictions. There really does appear to be light at the end of the tunnel.
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It's not light. It's a train coming that will run us all over. It's called a hype train.
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19/01/2021 11:27:42 70 9
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Big Badger, what would actually make you happy? Genuine question - what would you consider a good outcome from the position we are in now?
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19/01/2021 11:33:02 18 39
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I see light at the end of the Labour tunnel. Light where Mr Starmer gets rid of most of the existing front bench and replaces them with Tory Lite shadow ministers, who might actually get elected! These people will be more modern in outlook, and like Mr Starmer will admit that the current government have down well in some areas.
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19/01/2021 11:36:16 37 9
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So you think the vaccinations are a bad thing? question to you Why? what's the hype? are you in fact living in a parallel universe and no nothing of the real world? are you insane?. I take it you will refuse the vaccination?
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19/01/2021 12:08:17 3 3
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Hi Badger. I thought it was a good post!
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19/01/2021 12:34:42 1 2
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would never want get marooned on island or in a tunnel with you Badgee, right bundle of fun you must be, a pessemistic ,pessemist, takes all sorts
19/01/2021 13:24:13 0 1
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Lol.. the light of a train in the tunnel
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19/01/2021 13:32:31 2 2
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Big Badger, more like Little Todger..............?
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19/01/2021 11:16:40 15 44
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Almost a year in, and I still don't know anyone who has tested +ve or who has displayed symptoms.
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19/01/2021 11:18:08 4 5
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I know plenty, myself included, but do not know anyone who has died, or indeed been admitted to hospital
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19/01/2021 11:18:15 47 11
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What do I know, but I wouldn't be surprised if the cases of Covid rapidly started dropping.
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19/01/2021 11:38:29 63 3
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They already are, with the 7 day average down from 58,000 new cases a day a week ago to 45,000 yesterday.
Hopefully this trend will accelerate.
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19/01/2021 11:56:14 6 4
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Yes if we all obey the rules.....
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19/01/2021 12:45:10 8 3
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IF we follow protocol.
IF we continue AFTER the R number reaches almost zero.
Then we can beat it.
If we don't, it takes ONE "Patient zero" to restart the process again.
19/01/2021 13:42:48 1 1
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They will be high again today after allowing for the usual weekend lag in reporting deaths and cases !!
19/01/2021 13:50:55 4 1
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Yep. We are getting through the period when infections were picked up over Christmas and New Year plus the lockdown must be having an affect. We need to drive the infection rate right down before we open up again.
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19/01/2021 11:15:17 28 34
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Makes you wonder how many have really had it. I reckon we're reaching a stage where 20% of population has antibodies. So expect infections to decrease - lock down or not, masks or no masks.
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19/01/2021 11:18:17 2 3
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Potentially not if antibody protection lasts for 5 months or slightly more. Some may have antibodies but they may be beginning to wane and their protection therefore diminishing.
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19/01/2021 11:18:44 41 37
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Could it be that positive tests have doubles because more testing is taking place?
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19/01/2021 11:23:16 46 8
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No, this has got nothing to do with Covid testing, this is a survey that is carried out by ONS on a sample of the population as a whole.
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Dan
19/01/2021 11:25:43 2 5
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No, it's expressed as a proportion / percentage of positive tests.
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19/01/2021 11:38:52 6 1
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No this trail has been going on for many months. Its started over the summer months.
19/01/2021 14:07:58 1 1
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No. The % of positive tests has risen, not just total numbers.
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19/01/2021 11:15:16 21 67
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More fake news from the BBC. Get the schools open and people back to work.
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19/01/2021 11:18:45 36 12
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96000 dead but it is ok another armchair expert reckons it is fake
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19/01/2021 11:16:40 15 44
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Almost a year in, and I still don't know anyone who has tested +ve or who has displayed symptoms.
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JJ
19/01/2021 11:18:50 14 6
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got no mates?
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19/01/2021 11:16:40 15 44
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Almost a year in, and I still don't know anyone who has tested +ve or who has displayed symptoms.
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19/01/2021 11:18:55 8 3
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Lucky you.
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19/01/2021 11:17:21 2 6
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Antibodies flying about all over the place sadly not enough though I do think this is the way forward post vaccine.
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19/01/2021 11:19:02 2 4
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So the new variant is spreading herd immunity, that with the vaccine will pull most of through this terrible time, sadly not all.
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19/01/2021 11:20:37 0 1
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How do you know? Dr are you?
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19/01/2021 11:19:11 6 8
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I have nothing to say about this HYS OK
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19/01/2021 11:25:22 3 6
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BBC HYS are usually politically motivated , in England it is anti Tory [which is funny as F , BBC 's new controllers are Tories ! ] in Scotland it is very very anti SG & SNP in NI they sit on the fence and they ignore Wales more or less completely.
Basically , they shouldn't be allowed to open any HYS unless they can be neutral .
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19/01/2021 11:19:15 46 8
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So the new variant is spreading herd immunity, that with the vaccine will pull most of through this terrible time, sadly not all
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19/01/2021 11:33:32 7 100
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Some would argue the virus has some "intelligence", as if it knew the vaccine was on the way, the timing is remarkable. Studies have shown that viruses do have some form of communication.
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19/01/2021 12:40:51 4 1
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the new variants (Plural, and many) sometimes increase the rate of infection, so more people get sick.
as for herd immunity, that requires either A LOT more sick people (Some of whom will die) OR vaccination.
The danger from the extra sickness? IF that overwhelms hospitals, the rate could be uncontrollable. If that happens, it gets VERY bad.
Hope we reach herd immunity through vaccination!
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jo
19/01/2021 11:19:30 96 23
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Add that to the number that have had the vaccine and we are well on our way to getting out of this.
They have only had the first vac. The gov claim that gives immunity is a political stunt People need the second vac within the specified time limit to gain any sort of immunity Removed
923
19/01/2021 13:05:51 0 1
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Not if the likes of Paris Petgrave have their way.
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Ian
19/01/2021 11:19:33 12 17
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unfortunately all of this is just 'smoke'. Antibodies help yes, vaccine's help yes, but, neither are the panacea that most of the public appear to think. If you get the vaccine you can still catch it just milder symptoms. So expecting you can go back to 'normal' after getting the vaccine is not realistic.
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19/01/2021 11:22:29 4 4
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Not least because there is a proportion if the adult population who cannot have the vaccine and are at significant risk of dying if they catch Covid-19.

Abandoning them is not an option!
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19/01/2021 11:24:54 0 6
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Well, you can continue isolating while the rest of us get on with our lives, ok?
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19/01/2021 11:27:41 1 2
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Why? - if people stop going to hospital or meeting the maker, then we get out and push through mild symptoms - anything else would be a total disaster
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19/01/2021 11:19:47 207 42
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While it would have been better for fewer people to have caught it, this means that about 18% of us (when combined with vaccination) now have some level of immunity.

If the vaccination program continues it's rapid pace we could reach 'herd immunity' in a few months.

Let's hope
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19/01/2021 11:24:52 140 123
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Herd immunity requires those who have had the virus or the vaccine to be unable to catch the virus and spread it.

We do not know for sure that is the case. If the vaccine creates an army of asymptomatic carriers we are not going to achieve herd immunity.
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19/01/2021 11:46:37 6 2
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Unfortunately not because the approach to vaccination doesn't make any logical sense, father in law was critically ill with Covid in October yet he has also just been vaccinated.
The re-infection chances he has is around 0.6% and then almost certainly will only have very mild symptoms 2nd time round (based on recently published study)
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19/01/2021 11:57:22 0 4
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What does it matter if people catch it and spread it? If herd immunity and vaccines reduce the severity of the disease and pressure on our (ruined by Lab and Con governments) NHS, then that is all that is required.
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19/01/2021 11:57:45 1 2
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I'm hopeful that even having just the most vulnerable and elderly vaccinated would be the huge difference. Obviously the virus is dangerous to all age groups but if the vulnerable and elderly are protected I hope the hospitalisation rates plummet.
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19/01/2021 11:58:12 0 2
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That last comment was supposed to be a reply to Ellis birt. 11.24
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19/01/2021 13:02:53 0 1
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"when combined with vaccination" - are you sure that none of the people vaccinated already had antibodies? I believe "herd immunity" is achieved at around 60% so at current rate that might be 7 months (8% x 7 = 54% of which 5.4% may already have antibodies). Also those 8% have only had one shot; expect the rate of vaccination to halve for second shot. Great progress but the race is far from won.
19/01/2021 13:28:56 2 2
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But article misses point that by putting people who have had covid or covid+ test in recent months.. Could speed up vaccination progress by months.. By putting those recent covid+ at end (or delayed) vaccination.
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19/01/2021 11:14:47 8 31
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Sheep with herd immunity.
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19/01/2021 11:19:51 22 4
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The challenge with such a short sentence is trying to work out if you are a conspiracy nut who denies COVID's existence or were making a joke at their expense that didn't quite work.
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19/01/2021 11:16:40 15 44
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Almost a year in, and I still don't know anyone who has tested +ve or who has displayed symptoms.
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19/01/2021 11:19:52 8 3
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Count yourself very lucky then.
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19/01/2021 11:15:17 28 34
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Makes you wonder how many have really had it. I reckon we're reaching a stage where 20% of population has antibodies. So expect infections to decrease - lock down or not, masks or no masks.
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19/01/2021 11:19:52 4 1
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Makes me think that too, if we underestimated infection rates all the way through...which most seem to agree to be the case (less so now vs March)..then the % of people with some immunity must be getting towards the 20% range, then add the great vax progress and at least gives some hope of getting an accelerated effect (acquired & Vax).
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19/01/2021 11:17:16 17 37
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We will become the first European country to hit 100k deaths. Maybe some tough questions bbc rather than pandering to pro Tory propaganda disguised as news and allowing them to rattle on unchallenged.

If you need help, get your journalists to watch piers Morgan and how he asks the questions. Everyone else is watching
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19/01/2021 11:19:52 9 13
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EU population is a small percentage of the global population, yet with over half a million deaths on its hands it represents over a quarter of global deaths. EU and the corrupt cabal have a lot to answer for.
371
19/01/2021 11:52:40 1 2
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I doubt if even Boris would agree with your ridiculous statement
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19/01/2021 11:16:40 15 44
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Almost a year in, and I still don't know anyone who has tested +ve or who has displayed symptoms.
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19/01/2021 11:19:59 10 2
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You’ve been fortunate. We lost a family member and a close friend and a fair few neighbours have had Covid. Luck of the draw I guess.
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19/01/2021 11:17:16 17 37
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We will become the first European country to hit 100k deaths. Maybe some tough questions bbc rather than pandering to pro Tory propaganda disguised as news and allowing them to rattle on unchallenged.

If you need help, get your journalists to watch piers Morgan and how he asks the questions. Everyone else is watching
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19/01/2021 11:20:01 6 2
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Pro-Tory BBC? Wow...
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19/01/2021 11:21:57 1 4
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Wow what?
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19/01/2021 11:16:40 15 44
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Almost a year in, and I still don't know anyone who has tested +ve or who has displayed symptoms.
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19/01/2021 11:20:01 13 5
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you must live a lonely life. I know around 10 people who have tested positive, and my partner knows 2 people who have died from covid complications. I guess I cant be too hard on you, sicne you have been staying at home on your own for years by the sounds of it.
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19/01/2021 11:14:57 34 61
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96,000 people dead. Johnson and his lot have a lot to answer for.
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19/01/2021 11:20:02 15 3
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Mistakes were made, both by government and by individuals. People die, the whole time and everyone's actions have consequences. Many people, and a particular foreign power, have a lot to answer for.
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19/01/2021 11:26:31 8 3
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Not allowed to say who the 'foreign power' are on these pages though are we BBC?

Any post naming them gets 'moderated'. I'm sure that has nothing to do with BBC journos having great sympathy for their far left regime though. Perish the thought.
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19/01/2021 11:16:40 15 44
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Almost a year in, and I still don't know anyone who has tested +ve or who has displayed symptoms.
41
19/01/2021 11:20:12 2 2
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2 deaths and a further 2 positives but recovered and all those since November
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19/01/2021 11:20:14 6 11
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People still think the vaccine stops you from getting covid completely...
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19/01/2021 11:23:53 1 4
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Do you?
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Ian
19/01/2021 11:24:03 1 3
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and this is the greatest concern. Government has been pushing vaccine since early December "a way out of lockdown", etc, without addressing that you can still catch it, still pass it on and effectively still pass it onto someone who will die. It is economics driving our government to get this done, so that everybody can get back to the office and furlough is ended. Tell me otherwise?
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19/01/2021 11:36:23 2 2
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Highlights the low level of scientific comprehension the public has generally.

That and the inability to critically assess the drivel spread on social media, leading to them huffing turmeric, demanding dog worming pills and eating burnt orange peel to cure Covid symptoms.
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19/01/2021 11:16:35 9 39
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Horrified !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It sounds more or less like Africa who has a large pop who got infection of aids

Meantime another result shows 40% more death than normal in the UK and 100000 COVID deaths by far

This is genocide !
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19/01/2021 11:20:27 13 4
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Actually, it isn't.
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why
19/01/2021 11:20:36 20 9
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Basically an article where I’m still searching for a conclusion....’exactly what this means is not fully known’. Come back when you know a little more
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kh
19/01/2021 11:24:48 16 5
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It means common colds are common
910
19/01/2021 13:03:14 0 1
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Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger..?
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19/01/2021 11:17:02 115 106
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1 in 10 positive.... 96,000 dead....

Any idiot in a shop without a mask wants jail time - the time for "excuses" are well over....
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19/01/2021 11:20:39 50 42
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Apart from those who can show that they are exempt of course.
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19/01/2021 11:26:41 24 36
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No pal, no exemptions.
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19/01/2021 11:27:24 41 26
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If you cannot wear a mask for medical reasons , you should be isolating should you not ?
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19/01/2021 11:28:13 36 33
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No...not apart from those who are exempt. EVERYONE should wear a mask when out to protect others.

If you are one of those requiring medical exemption from wearing a mask then it follows that you must be on the vulnerable list yourself and therefore should not be out in the first place.

Just cos you have an exemption to wear a mask it doesn't mean that you are any less of a risk to me without one
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19/01/2021 11:43:32 22 15
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They should stay home & have their shopping delivered.
Call me cynical but there appear to be a lot of "exempt" people who are also the biggest opponents of any kind of restrictions & proponents of the "it's just a flu" nonsense.
320
19/01/2021 11:48:11 27 14
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If they are exempt they should get someone else to do their shopping rather than increasing their risk of getting covid or passing it on.
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19/01/2021 12:02:35 10 11
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It’s amazing how many people say they are exempt. Followed an elderly couple around a shop the other day. Looked perfectly healthy but no masks. If I was elderly with an underlying condition, I’d be at home shielding!
460
19/01/2021 12:03:10 11 8
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if they are exempt they should send someone who isn't and keep out of the shop!!!
799
19/01/2021 12:47:49 7 4
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Problem is that being exempt doesn't stop you spreading it.
892
19/01/2021 13:00:27 3 5
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But why are they shopping at busy times?
19/01/2021 13:57:37 0 1
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Very few with genuine exemptions. If you require an exemption maybe you shouldn’t be out shopping.
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19/01/2021 11:14:57 34 61
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96,000 people dead. Johnson and his lot have a lot to answer for.
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19/01/2021 11:20:49 7 11
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Well said! It was so good to get on the beach during the summer but it was a bit cramped! Great to go on a blm march showing my solidarity with the suppressed minorities and fantastic to see all those statues toppled....
Congratulations. You have won first prize in the trolling world cup. Moron. Removed
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19/01/2021 11:17:16 17 37
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We will become the first European country to hit 100k deaths. Maybe some tough questions bbc rather than pandering to pro Tory propaganda disguised as news and allowing them to rattle on unchallenged.

If you need help, get your journalists to watch piers Morgan and how he asks the questions. Everyone else is watching
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19/01/2021 11:20:57 11 3
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Piers Morgan shouts and interrupts so much that you never get a chance to hear the answers, it's all about Piers which makes him a useless interviewer.
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19/01/2021 11:15:11 8 21
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Estimates from the ONS. Still I'm sure that we know that this rise is down to the PM, his policies and his mates who are getting all the contracts.
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19/01/2021 11:27:16 5 2
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Oh enough already. Are the rises in every country in the EU and the majority of countries in the world also because of Boris?!
Stop being so pathetic
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19/01/2021 11:33:54 2 3
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No. It's mostly down to idiots who either can't or refuse to follow a few simple instructions.
Claiming the restrictions & advice are confusing should only be the case for people who need their hands held throughout their lives, or socialists as they're known.
533
19/01/2021 12:12:29 0 1
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We know quite the opposite.It is down t he behaviour of the people.
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19/01/2021 11:16:11 5 7
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Big whoopy soo!
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19/01/2021 11:21:02 11 13
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If this is "Fake news" how come the problem is world wide, Einsteins?
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19/01/2021 11:23:11 8 5
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"world wide"? I thought it was all Boris's fault.
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19/01/2021 11:21:08 329 8
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Detectable antibodies fade is not the same as saying antibodies fade. Hopefully most people understand this key point.
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19/01/2021 11:49:27 257 4
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Yes, not really about detection though. Long term immunity via the adaptive immune system relies partly on memory B cells that " store" the formula for antibody proteins then go dormant. Amazing things; they turn off almost all their metabolism and can survive for decades, only waking up when the same or very similar antigen is presented
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19/01/2021 11:46:11 2 9
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well not in the case that all antibodies are detectable.
420
19/01/2021 11:58:17 20 9
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try getting antibody or antigen testing, this should of been encouraged but was pretty much shut down as the tests, though relatively simple didn't get some quango's approval. So we are, as usual, looking at minimal data being extrapolated where in reality much in depth data could of been collected and enabled accurate understanding.
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19/01/2021 12:13:47 37 48
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anyone who has half a brain does , unfortunately most people now believe they have no immune system and it is up to the government and their henchmen to protect them , they believe there has never been a respiratory virus before and that someone must be to blame if they catch one , these people will hopefully never walk the streets again , ridding the rest of us from their stupidity
544
19/01/2021 12:14:57 8 29
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On the other hand if the antibodies fade below a detectable level it's likely that their effectiveness will also fade.
557
19/01/2021 12:16:18 10 7
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However fairly useless should the virus evolve a new cloak of invisibility and other means of attack. MERS is a pointer to how this virus could evolve as it jumps around, time will tell.
606
19/01/2021 12:22:04 11 3
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Doubt it. Too many don't even seem to understand how you catch it!
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xlr
19/01/2021 12:32:49 21 1
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Antibodies disappear from your blood in a few days unless the B cells are pumping them out. The B cells themselves - which are now specific to that antibody and that antigen - reduce in number over months and years, only to suddenly increase again if that same antigen appears.
683
19/01/2021 12:33:51 8 1
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Thats not correct. ALL antibodies have a short life. 3 months? The memory B cells which make more can last for ten years or more.
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19/01/2021 12:41:50 12 1
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Depends on how much media hype they believe instead of doing their own research. T cells and memory are they really important immunity cells.
Natural antibodies 'only' last 5 months because the study measuring them only ran for 5 months.
If our immune systems depleted so quickly everyone would be being reinfected, instead of it being a rarity and there would be no point in a vaccine.
767
19/01/2021 12:44:23 3 21
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Not sure that you understand anything & find it disconcerting that yours is the highest-rated comment, which speaks volumes for the quality of HYS "debating" and the voting patterns.

We know people can catch CV19 more than once and still require medical intervention.

Had Tory Bots yesterday that the infection in Wales had been higher than in England. 1-8 have had it in England, 1 in 10 in Wales!
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MVS
19/01/2021 12:51:53 3 3
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Most of this article will go over the heads of most people in this country. I consider myself well-educated and reasonably intelligent and I still do not understand what the various statistics in it show or prove.
19/01/2021 13:45:05 8 2
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Quite right. Loss of detectable antibodies does not mean loss of immunity. If only we had a national broadcaster and news organisation that was able to explain that to the members of their audience that haven't studied immunology...
(rather than one that just presents it as yet another scare-story)
19/01/2021 16:49:08 1 1
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They are not supposed to understand - weakens the fear narrative.

Interesting comment "we know that antibodies from natural infection can fade". Are they imply vaccine induced antibodies are qualitatively better or last longer? How quaint!
No mention of cellular immunity - memory T and B cells with ability to make antibodies when required in future.
20/01/2021 06:32:58 0 0
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That will fly over most peoples head, including mine.
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19/01/2021 11:17:39 4 17
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EU population is a small percentage of the global population, yet with over half a million deaths on its hands it represents over a quarter of global deaths. EU and the corrupt cabal have a lot to answer for.
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19/01/2021 11:21:09 14 3
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I don't understand your statement. How FFS is the EU to blame for a global pandemic which originated in China?
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19/01/2021 11:27:51 1 1
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The same way that Boris is to blame. OK?
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19/01/2021 11:28:15 2 3
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The same way that Bojo is.

Admittedly neither make sense but it just shows how blinkered both factions are in the Brexit debate that they cannot see the stupidity of their assertions.
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19/01/2021 11:32:47 3 1
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It's been worst in Europe (& the Americas) than the RoW. Bigots will always blame politicians they don't like & find excuses to absolve from blame those they do like.

In reality it's probably culture/lifestyle/social behaviour & travel which has made some places better or worse than others. All that government can really do is try and smooth out the peaks to avoid overwhelming health services.
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19/01/2021 11:14:57 34 61
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96,000 people dead. Johnson and his lot have a lot to answer for.
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19/01/2021 11:21:11 20 5
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How do you work that out? Nobody knows what a different approach or a different bunch making the decisions would have resulted in. I've never voted Tory in my life and nor will I but I think whoever had to call the shots during this deserves support and understanding not the constant sniping which helps nobody.
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19/01/2021 11:21:12 13 18
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All it demonstrates is what selfish irresponsible idiots we are here in the UK.
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19/01/2021 11:22:22 5 5
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So stop being selfish and irresponsible.
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19/01/2021 11:23:00 4 3
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Tories promote selfishness.
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DJG
19/01/2021 11:26:45 0 2
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Don't be so hard on yourself (or others). it's a virus that survives through us leading our daily lives. it's hard to stop living like we've done for decades overnight.
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Ben
19/01/2021 11:29:56 1 1
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And also the number of people who have to work, and are thus put at greater risk of catching COVID.
I sold mine on eBay. Removed
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19/01/2021 11:16:40 15 44
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Almost a year in, and I still don't know anyone who has tested +ve or who has displayed symptoms.
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why
19/01/2021 11:21:15 3 4
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Not uncommon
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19/01/2021 11:21:22 10 8
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As they have discouraged random testing (albeit less so more recently), people who present themselves for testing are those who suspect they have it or already have symptoms. How are they factoring this in to come up with a generalised 1 in 10 figure?
92
19/01/2021 11:23:42 7 6
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What would you rather them do, paint it up so it's all cheer? It is a news forum, not Cbeebies
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19/01/2021 11:30:00 1 1
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This story is about anti-body testing, not live virus testing.
560
19/01/2021 12:16:25 0 1
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The antibody testing done by ONS is from a random sample.
Not the same as testing for current infections.
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19/01/2021 11:16:40 15 44
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Almost a year in, and I still don't know anyone who has tested +ve or who has displayed symptoms.
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jo
19/01/2021 11:21:25 8 2
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Count yourself lucky. I know of about half a dozen, half of which ended up in hospital, all have suffered with long term symptoms, one has been told she has permanent damage to her lungs. The people who have had it tell us to avoid getting it at all costs and that is what I intend on doing.
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19/01/2021 11:17:39 37 17
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So good to hear a I reckon from an armchair expert
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19/01/2021 11:21:25 6 13
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I said "I reckon", not I know. I'm not a remoaner who lies constantly.
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19/01/2021 13:04:27 0 1
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Oh yes you are you support the clown the biggest liar in the world & Brexit was a total lie from start to finish
19/01/2021 14:32:48 2 1
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Remoaner? just go off on a tangent why don't you, it saves from having a valid point.
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19/01/2021 11:16:26 20 12
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So you can have your say...
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19/01/2021 11:21:25 3 1
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I assume someone forced you to comment?
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19/01/2021 11:16:40 15 44
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Almost a year in, and I still don't know anyone who has tested +ve or who has displayed symptoms.
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19/01/2021 11:21:32 5 3
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Where do you live? Are you are hermit?
Although detectable antibodies fade, the acquired immune system retains the ability to make more, and quickly, should you become re-infected. Fading antibodies does NOT mean you are automatically completely vulnerable again. Removed
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19/01/2021 11:34:16 12 20
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Once the over 70’s have been vaccinated, we will have neutralised most of the virus’s potential to do serious harm to the vulnerable sections of the population.
If only someone had considered this approach to the problem before.
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19/01/2021 11:34:44 4 2
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It's thought that Spanish flu disproportionately affected the young because older people had had another flu variant which provided, if not immunity, then partial protection from a more serious illness, in the same way.
(Just an interesting fact, not comparing Covid and Flu which are completely different forms of virus)
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19/01/2021 11:40:14 4 5
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Neither does a fading antibody count mean that you retain any immunity from the virus, or that you will not become ill, or that you will be not able to pass on the virus. Nowhere in this article does it say that you are "automatically completely vulnerable again" so I don't see why you think you need to point that out, ignoring the very real possibility that re-exposure can lead to re-infection.
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19/01/2021 11:42:36 4 1
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I entirely agree. Many people have been misled by poor science on this. Herd immunity, the original government plan, plus vaccination are the only ways forward. We need to finish these cycles of lockdowns once and for all.
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19/01/2021 11:39:11 0 1
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Agreed. I am negative but still have loss of smell 10m later (& husband was positive). Yet we have both been in a house all day with people who later tested positive & have been asymptomatic or didn’t catch it again.
Okay. And what's the point of a HYS on this? Removed
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19/01/2021 11:21:36 7 1
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So the COVID deniers and antivax nutters can make inane comments and we can all ridicule them and downvote them?
Okay. And what's the point of a HYS on this? Removed
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19/01/2021 11:21:40 1 1
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I have nothing to say about this HYS OK. At least not today.
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19/01/2021 11:21:40 24 31
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Another meaningless piece of information that has no value reported as news by an organisation that thrives on bad news..
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19/01/2021 11:29:35 7 1
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All news organisations report bad news, more people access the BBC to read/listen to it than other providers.
150
19/01/2021 11:30:40 1 1
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Meaningless if you cook fish and chips or bang dents out of car bodywork for a living perhaps.

Pretty important for epidemiologists.
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19/01/2021 11:23:33 0 4
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There is litreally no point to this article as it makes no mention whatsoever of the terrible effect of Covid on black people and women.
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19/01/2021 11:16:02 14 18
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"Exactly what this means for someone's likelihood to become infected again, however, is not fully known."

So what exactly is the point of this article?
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why
19/01/2021 11:21:51 1 7
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100% with you
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19/01/2021 11:17:02 115 106
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1 in 10 positive.... 96,000 dead....

Any idiot in a shop without a mask wants jail time - the time for "excuses" are well over....
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Ian
19/01/2021 11:21:55 12 35
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"all over in 12 weeks" said boris, and these are the consequences. People in the summer allowed to mix, "eat out to help out", mixing at christmas. Just accept that the virus is here, we cannot eradicate it, we can vaccinate against it and still catch it. People will die in their thousands we either accept or wear masks in perpetuity.
19/01/2021 13:23:41 1 1
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why would we need to wear masks once everyone is vaccinated? who would then be dying?
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19/01/2021 11:20:01 6 2
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Pro-Tory BBC? Wow...
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19/01/2021 11:21:57 1 4
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Wow what?
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19/01/2021 11:16:35 9 39
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Horrified !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It sounds more or less like Africa who has a large pop who got infection of aids

Meantime another result shows 40% more death than normal in the UK and 100000 COVID deaths by far

This is genocide !
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19/01/2021 11:21:57 1 4
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Genocide instigated by a Government far, far away
473
19/01/2021 12:04:29 1 2
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Ah yes, a repressive, communist government of a country we're not allowed to name by the BBC for some strange reason...
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19/01/2021 11:15:16 21 67
bbc
More fake news from the BBC. Get the schools open and people back to work.
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19/01/2021 11:22:03 8 3
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If you are serious, you should not be allowed to post.
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19/01/2021 11:14:57 34 61
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96,000 people dead. Johnson and his lot have a lot to answer for.
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19/01/2021 11:22:10 16 3
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So genius what would you have done to stop these deaths. Obviously you have the answer to this. Very easy to blame the Government, nothing to do with the idiots who didn't follow the rules
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19/01/2021 11:16:40 15 44
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Almost a year in, and I still don't know anyone who has tested +ve or who has displayed symptoms.
72
19/01/2021 11:22:15 3 2
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So you think the whole world revolves around your personal experience. I've known 4 people that had COVID, one of which is now seriously ill.
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19/01/2021 11:15:16 21 67
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More fake news from the BBC. Get the schools open and people back to work.
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19/01/2021 11:22:15 4 2
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Yeah, there’s nothing like a fourth wave! ??
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19/01/2021 11:33:47 2 2
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Hope we are all vaccinated before the seventh wave comes then ......
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19/01/2021 11:22:19 14 17
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Rather bored now of being constantly patronised by the govt and BBC.

Hands face space - yes we bloomin' well know.

As do the vast majority of people.

YAWN.

And Johnson is in no place to lecture others - he didn't respect hands / face / space, did he ? Some might call that behaviour "covidiocy".
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19/01/2021 11:40:47 1 1
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When did he ignore the rules?
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19/01/2021 11:55:06 1 1
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True. It is repetitive because far too many people are still not actually doing it. People spread this virus not government. Yes the likes of you and me are the source of every single case and death due to Covid through our actions or more likely inactions. So that is why they keep banging on about hands, face, space. Stop seeking a reason not to do it by copying the incorrect actions of others
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19/01/2021 11:21:12 13 18
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All it demonstrates is what selfish irresponsible idiots we are here in the UK.
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19/01/2021 11:22:22 5 5
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So stop being selfish and irresponsible.
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Ian
19/01/2021 11:19:33 12 17
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unfortunately all of this is just 'smoke'. Antibodies help yes, vaccine's help yes, but, neither are the panacea that most of the public appear to think. If you get the vaccine you can still catch it just milder symptoms. So expecting you can go back to 'normal' after getting the vaccine is not realistic.
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19/01/2021 11:22:29 4 4
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Not least because there is a proportion if the adult population who cannot have the vaccine and are at significant risk of dying if they catch Covid-19.

Abandoning them is not an option!
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19/01/2021 11:22:31 8 15
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Currently running the highest rates in the world ..
But the vaccine program is running very well .. just shows what this nation can do if you keep Johnson's and Hancock's mates at Serco et al well away from it ..
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19/01/2021 11:30:05 0 4
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Usual lefty unfounded claims & outright fabrication.

Why do socialists have to use anything & everything as a tool to further their political agenda?

The UK shows higher rates because we're resting far more people than most other nations, thus recording many cases others miss.
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19/01/2021 11:16:40 15 44
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Almost a year in, and I still don't know anyone who has tested +ve or who has displayed symptoms.
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19/01/2021 11:22:41 2 3
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'Billy no mates' over here
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19/01/2021 11:16:26 20 12
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So you can have your say...
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19/01/2021 11:22:46 2 2
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* whinge
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19/01/2021 11:22:47 38 27
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If this is the state of UK deaths and hospitalisations, with only 10% of the UK infected, can we finally silence the moronic "just let the virus rip" crowd? Frontline medics are humans and we're subjecting them to the levels of stress seen by soldiers, who incidentally, still get leave, it's been cancelled for medics. There will be so much PTSD & staff leaving the NHS post Covid.
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Bob
19/01/2021 11:55:37 4 6
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At this stage 'let the virus rip' is essentially what we have been doing and is the valid exit strategy. It seems to have passed people by but all measures have been designed to let the virus rip until hospitals reached tipping points. Then we pull up the draw bridge.

We'll repeat this - now with the aid of vaccines - until herd is achieved.
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19/01/2021 11:58:17 3 3
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It has now ripped, the problem is that the rip was delayed until the winter when folks cannot fight it.
Cases across the UK are now falling in proportion to the earlier high infection rates.
19/01/2021 13:54:22 1 4
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The nightingale hospitals weren't even used last wave and if they are short of staff they can give me a job. I'll hold people's hands and switch ventilators on ffs.
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19/01/2021 11:14:57 34 61
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96,000 people dead. Johnson and his lot have a lot to answer for.
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19/01/2021 11:22:54 10 2
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Sir Keir would have waved his magic wand ?
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19/01/2021 11:21:12 13 18
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All it demonstrates is what selfish irresponsible idiots we are here in the UK.
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19/01/2021 11:23:00 4 3
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Tories promote selfishness.
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19/01/2021 11:23:03 15 9
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So basically the nations of the UK that had lower infection rates NI and Scotland have lower percentage of people with antibodies. Insightful stuff there.
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19/01/2021 12:30:55 3 1
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Science works by repeatedly testing hypotheses to get closer and closer to the truth.
It's not science to make one insightful guess.
Bears might use rivers at night rather than the woods.
Okay. And what's the point of a HYS on this? Removed
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19/01/2021 11:23:06 2 1
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So you can find something to moan about

And you did
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19/01/2021 11:21:02 11 13
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If this is "Fake news" how come the problem is world wide, Einsteins?
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19/01/2021 11:23:11 8 5
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"world wide"? I thought it was all Boris's fault.
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19/01/2021 11:29:04 0 6
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His lack of response in the UK is. Troll.
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19/01/2021 11:18:44 41 37
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Could it be that positive tests have doubles because more testing is taking place?
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19/01/2021 11:23:16 46 8
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No, this has got nothing to do with Covid testing, this is a survey that is carried out by ONS on a sample of the population as a whole.
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19/01/2021 11:31:38 2 9
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So how do people surveyed know whether they have COVID antibodies?
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19/01/2021 11:17:02 115 106
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1 in 10 positive.... 96,000 dead....

Any idiot in a shop without a mask wants jail time - the time for "excuses" are well over....
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19/01/2021 11:23:16 41 32
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Please provide evidence that mask use impacts upon infection rates
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19/01/2021 12:21:45 1 7
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There isn't any. That's the problem with scientist and engineers. An engineer will have brainstorm and gather people opinion. Then prove our disprove a theory with hard evidence. A scientist gives his opinion days anyone who disagrees is wrong and will end up killing people and then makes up excuses when his theory is doing.
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19/01/2021 13:08:22 3 1
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It's true that facemasks are leaky but they attenuate the transmission and also the inhale-reception of aerosol. If everybody wears them properly and do not touch them; carefully dispose them; wash hands; only go in ventilated spaces etc. it reduces the infection/transmission.
Various video clips on the web showing the effectiveness of masks. The Which magazine have tested/rated facemasks.
19/01/2021 13:23:40 5 6
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It doesn't. Non medical grade masks are absolutely useless; only medical grade PPE works. It's just a moronic virtue signal and another Orwellian way of controlling the population.
19/01/2021 15:13:43 1 1
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It stops you passing it on.
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19/01/2021 11:23:18 5 3
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What does it mean though?
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19/01/2021 11:27:23 9 1
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It means that the virus has managed to infect an entire 10th of the UK population.
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19/01/2021 11:23:23 11 18
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Much better than our counterparts in the E.U.
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19/01/2021 11:25:29 7 5
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How is it better? It shows the virus has been spreading more easily through the population.

Anything to bash the EU though eh
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19/01/2021 11:28:49 3 2
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Change the record. We left the EU. You won. Get over it Flappers.
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19/01/2021 11:30:54 4 2
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The UK will have the highest death rate in Europe. Better? How?
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19/01/2021 12:33:07 0 2
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Much the same actually
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19/01/2021 11:16:02 14 18
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"Exactly what this means for someone's likelihood to become infected again, however, is not fully known."

So what exactly is the point of this article?
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19/01/2021 11:23:29 7 2
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To inform you that it's not fully known what the likelihood of someone with antibodies is of them getting reinfected. Some of us appreciate "we don't know" as a useful answer to important questions.
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Bob
19/01/2021 11:23:35 2 9
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BBC say there were 6586 deaths in uk in the week (7 days) to 8 Jan. Govt official figures in the 8 DAYS to 8 Jan there were 6321. Why the discrepancy? Why are the total headline deaths showing in excess of 96000 when the official figures up to 5pm Mon 18 Jan were 89860. is the 7000 difference those deaths massaged by Bozo and his crooks back in July. Which lying crooks do we believe Bozos or BBCs
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19/01/2021 11:32:40 2 1
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The ONS figures are based on a different sample. The ONS sample includes people who have died in the community.

During an epidemic it is hard to gather completely accurate data. The Government figures are based on deaths reported daily by hospitals and care settings. The ONS use death certificates.

So, no-one is lying and you are being disingenuous to accuse anyone of doing so.
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19/01/2021 11:21:22 10 8
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As they have discouraged random testing (albeit less so more recently), people who present themselves for testing are those who suspect they have it or already have symptoms. How are they factoring this in to come up with a generalised 1 in 10 figure?
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19/01/2021 11:23:42 7 6
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What would you rather them do, paint it up so it's all cheer? It is a news forum, not Cbeebies
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19/01/2021 11:43:41 1 1
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Sorry, your comment makes no sense. What were you trying to say?
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19/01/2021 11:20:14 6 11
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People still think the vaccine stops you from getting covid completely...
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19/01/2021 11:23:53 1 4
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Do you?
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19/01/2021 11:23:59 16 14
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At least this HYS distracts from the corruption & constant lies for a bit.

Job well done
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19/01/2021 11:33:47 8 7
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It doesn't. The remoaners are still here, peddling their lies.
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19/01/2021 11:35:49 2 1
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Are you referring to the police investigation into the union Unite into corruption in contracts awarded by the union to political mates. If so, irrelevant to this topic surely, but I’m glad you’ve raised it.
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19/01/2021 11:24:01 167 5
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Antibodies fade a few weeks after the infection is over but the immune system stores the information. If exposed to the virus again, more antibodies will be produced but the infected person probably won't know it. These figures only refer to people who have had it recently enough for antibodies still to be present.
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19/01/2021 11:27:47 42 4
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And this is an estimate, based on a small sample of people who have both qualified to take part and then voluntarily agreed to do so. So number could actually be higher or less.
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Bob
19/01/2021 11:48:02 8 2
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They last much longer than that. Months. We've had an article just last week on here from PHE tracking the same people from I think it was June onwards.
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19/01/2021 12:50:08 3 1
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There is a big question about the rate of antibodies fading. I have a friend who has tested positive for antibodies on 3 occasions in June, October and this month.
19/01/2021 13:09:43 2 1
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I had Covid symptoms back in March. Had a blood antibodies test done in December and it was positive.
19/01/2021 14:25:57 0 4
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So if you’ve had it you need to be regularly exposed to keep the antibodies being produced.
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19/01/2021 11:20:14 6 11
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People still think the vaccine stops you from getting covid completely...
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Ian
19/01/2021 11:24:03 1 3
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and this is the greatest concern. Government has been pushing vaccine since early December "a way out of lockdown", etc, without addressing that you can still catch it, still pass it on and effectively still pass it onto someone who will die. It is economics driving our government to get this done, so that everybody can get back to the office and furlough is ended. Tell me otherwise?
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19/01/2021 12:09:45 0 2
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The more people are vaccinated the less risk of anyone dying from it.
We are doing the right thing. Health and economics are interdependent.
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19/01/2021 11:16:40 15 44
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Almost a year in, and I still don't know anyone who has tested +ve or who has displayed symptoms.
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19/01/2021 11:24:04 3 3
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You either live in the Isles of Scilly or live a very isolated life. I work in a school. We have had 126 positive cases at the last count. Separately I know of 3 people who have died from it and others who have had it.
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19/01/2021 11:17:16 17 37
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We will become the first European country to hit 100k deaths. Maybe some tough questions bbc rather than pandering to pro Tory propaganda disguised as news and allowing them to rattle on unchallenged.

If you need help, get your journalists to watch piers Morgan and how he asks the questions. Everyone else is watching
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19/01/2021 11:24:15 3 1
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No one watches Piers - he is an aggressive simpleton - And whilst I get the 'attack the gov' in terms of holding to account vs the performance (which agreed has not been the best!), I think the tough questions also need to be directed at PHE / NHS / SAGE around advise provided and more so directed leaks into the press to apply pressure to the decision makers.
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19/01/2021 11:24:22 0 4
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A more recent model from Edge Health suggested an even higher level of prevalence.

Important to realise that if we have any degree of restriction, the immunity percentage required for herd immunity will be lower than the corresponding level for a free and open society.

In other words, restrictions + vaccine + had it = reducing prevalence. And the more we vaccinate, the lower restrictions can be
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19/01/2021 12:40:39 0 2
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Far better to achieve herd immunity through vaccination than reducing restrictions which would would increase deaths meantime.
19/01/2021 13:29:00 0 1
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Remember, these vaccines don't stop you catching the virus, they only reduce or suppress the effects.
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19/01/2021 11:17:16 17 37
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We will become the first European country to hit 100k deaths. Maybe some tough questions bbc rather than pandering to pro Tory propaganda disguised as news and allowing them to rattle on unchallenged.

If you need help, get your journalists to watch piers Morgan and how he asks the questions. Everyone else is watching
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19/01/2021 11:24:33 3 3
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Agreed about the weak questioning from most of the media. There are a number of reasons why we're recording more Covid deaths - aging & unhealthy population, governmental mismanagement, lack of adherence to rules, and a different interpretation to other countries as to what constitutes a Covid-related death.