Vauxhall: Future of Ellesmere Port hangs in the balance
19/01/2021 | news | business | 122
Vauxhall's parent company warns it will no longer invest in pure diesel or petrol cars at Ellesmere Port.
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ljs
20/01/2021 10:50:08 34 16
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This is an International company and it will make sense to them to leave the UK.

Thank you Brexiteers YET AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Orv
20/01/2021 11:09:45 7 1
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I take it you are currently the owner of a Astra ?
8
20/01/2021 11:07:46 7 2
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don't worry - they'll just tell you its "project fear" :) - until reality hits
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20/01/2021 12:30:58 5 2
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Nothing to do with Brexit. This is a call for subsidies to help finance the huge cost of changing to making electric cars.
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20/01/2021 12:33:36 4 1
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If you read the article you will see that this has zero to do with Brexit, it is to do with the UK government's decision to ban the sale of ICE cars. The UK-EU trade deal allows the car industry to continue pretty much as before. Mr Tavares is just fishing for subsidies, which he knows that the government can provide thanks in no small measure to the freedom it has after Brexit.
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20/01/2021 12:33:14 3 3
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It was obvious to the situation that Brexit was a major threat to the Ellesmere Plant. Virtually all Vauxhalls are already made in the EU (Corsa, Insignia & most Astra) and most of the Ellesmere production is actually exported to the EU. Add in the bureaucracy and extra costs of import/export (yes they are there under the deal) and indeed it does most likely make sense for them to go!
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20/01/2021 10:51:14 7 4
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Nobody is going to invest in petrol and diesel car engines.
The question should be is anyone investing in Electric cars for the future.
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ljs
20/01/2021 10:57:29 7 7
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Hydrogen fuelled vehicles ARE THE FUTURE,
electric cars are an EXPENSIVE blind alley and a complete CONN.
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20/01/2021 12:04:35 1 0
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Yes, they are. I read some industry report recently about the Germans investing tens of billions in alternative fuel vehicles. By comparison, investment in the UK auto industry as a whole was in the tens of millions.
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20/01/2021 10:51:14 7 4
bbc
Nobody is going to invest in petrol and diesel car engines.
The question should be is anyone investing in Electric cars for the future.
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ljs
20/01/2021 10:57:29 7 7
bbc
Hydrogen fuelled vehicles ARE THE FUTURE,
electric cars are an EXPENSIVE blind alley and a complete CONN.
26
20/01/2021 11:57:08 2 2
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Not that tired old oil industry 'lobbyist' rubbish again. Hydrogen cars cost a fortune, there is zero infrastructure for them, nowhere to refuel, they are dangerous, and Hydrogen production emits as much CO2 as Ice engines. Hydrogen may work for trains and HGVs, but it will never be rolled out for cars.
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20/01/2021 12:40:38 2 0
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The said the same thing about using LPG and I drove such cars for work. They were an absolute nightmare to maintain and were eventually replaced diesel cars!
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20/01/2021 17:02:32 1 0
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Hydrogen fuel cells for light duty vehicles is a blind alley, they are not the future. That battle is already won by BEVs. Battery technology improves year on year, just look at how prices have fallen and energy densities are increasing. The 52 KWh Renault Zoe battery (2020 model) takes up the same space as the 22 KWh battery in that car (2013). Hydrogen will never be able to compete
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ljs
20/01/2021 11:05:38 5 5
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WHY is this not HEADLINE NEWS ??????????????

instead of musicians WHINING AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ljs
20/01/2021 10:50:08 34 16
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This is an International company and it will make sense to them to leave the UK.

Thank you Brexiteers YET AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5
Orv
20/01/2021 11:09:45 7 1
bbc
I take it you are currently the owner of a Astra ?
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20/01/2021 11:10:25 10 8
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United Ireland and Independent Scotland E U Nations will be out of this obscene stramash we in England are stuck with it
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21/01/2021 10:36:00 1 0
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These situations will never happen.
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Orv
20/01/2021 11:15:34 11 6
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Interesting to read so many so many comments attached to Brexit.
Didn't realise there was so many loyal Astra owners out there.
Having run a Vauxhall dealership this is nothing to do with politics, purely down to a brand that has fell away.
Like the many negative comments who currently drive a German car.
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ljs
20/01/2021 10:50:08 34 16
bbc
This is an International company and it will make sense to them to leave the UK.

Thank you Brexiteers YET AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
8
20/01/2021 11:07:46 7 2
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don't worry - they'll just tell you its "project fear" :) - until reality hits
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dls
20/01/2021 11:31:36 17 6
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UK car industry has been on a roller coaster of change and lack of investment since the 1960s
Brexit is not the issue, Honda took its CRV production back to Japan
I am old school and like to buy British wherever possible, I have 2 Range Rovers, a CRV and an MG... all British built, to me its important that my spending goes to support British jobs.
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20/01/2021 13:03:58 4 3
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Even better it would be if you bought the best product, to reward the company doing the best job, instead of risking buying shoddy products just because they have a Union Jack flag on them.
68
20/01/2021 13:32:25 1 1
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I plump for best value everytime so am happy to buy EU goods
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21/01/2021 15:55:02 0 0
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That will be Indian, Japanese and Chinese
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dls
20/01/2021 11:32:01 17 4
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We can't moan about the shrinkage of our car industry if we don't buy British built cars.
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20/01/2021 12:14:09 7 3
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I expect that after Brexit the market will have got a whole lot smaller.
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20/01/2021 13:02:10 0 0
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Consumers buy the best product, not just because it's made locally.

British car makers became so bad that not even British people were buying their cars, and eventually went bust or were acquired by foreign firms.
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20/01/2021 11:41:04 19 1
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This factory will close in a few years unless UK Gov subsidises which it cannot due to level playing field. Only other hope is a significant devaluation of £ to make costs more competitive. French\Italian Group with biggest market is EU will not manufacture in UK unless big advantage of doing so. Brexit not only reason but adds enough to condemm 1000 employees to lose their jobs
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20/01/2021 12:36:47 6 1
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Sadly many more than a 1,000 will lose their jobs when you take the supply chain into account.
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20/01/2021 12:58:33 0 0
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I wonder how many of those 1000 voted for Brexit.
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20/01/2021 13:30:51 1 0
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Devaluation won't help the price of imported parts will be horrendous
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21/01/2021 09:17:14 1 0
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Devaluation ??, yes it will make exports cheaper, but on the reverse side it will make imports more expensive and we import a heck of a lot, so no quick win ??
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20/01/2021 11:45:53 13 13
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you leavers were warned.
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20/01/2021 11:56:15 3 0
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“ On paper, he said, it might make more sense to invest in Europe, because "the biggest market is on the continental Europe side". Mr Tavares.
Translation:
Dear HMG,
If I make vague insinuations about transferring vehicle production from Vauxhall’s, can you find a way of helping us out with some £, as we have over capacity and a shrinking market, and need cash, post merger.
Yours, expectantly,
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20/01/2021 12:57:44 1 0
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I wonder how many of those working in the Honda factory who are about to lose their jobs due to it closing, voted for Brexit.

Sure, "the Honda closure had nothing to do with Brexit", odd that Honda announced it in the year Brexit was due to happen, after 30+ years of producing cars here.
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20/01/2021 13:16:41 1 2
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Stop moaning and if you don't like it move abroad.
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20/01/2021 11:45:53 13 13
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you leavers were warned.
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20/01/2021 11:56:15 3 0
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“ On paper, he said, it might make more sense to invest in Europe, because "the biggest market is on the continental Europe side". Mr Tavares.
Translation:
Dear HMG,
If I make vague insinuations about transferring vehicle production from Vauxhall’s, can you find a way of helping us out with some £, as we have over capacity and a shrinking market, and need cash, post merger.
Yours, expectantly,
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20/01/2021 11:57:16 23 4
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I'm an Astra owner who works for Vauxhall....if Ellesmere closes I will vote with my wallet....if Vauxhall don't produce/build a model in this country ...I won't buy it.
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20/01/2021 12:10:21 9 8
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I expect you will have to if your wallet is empty.
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20/01/2021 12:21:45 2 1
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I wonder if your Astra was built in Ellesmere or Poland?
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PCS
20/01/2021 21:18:13 0 1
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You'd better hope the UK has plenty of Astra Spares and we have mild winters for the next decade! My old Rover (2005) is barely hanging in there via the scrappie...anything new its a rip-off
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21/01/2021 09:14:20 0 1
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You probably won’t be able to afford any car, no matter where it is built
111
21/01/2021 11:50:17 0 1
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Get yourself a nice Kia...
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20/01/2021 11:59:31 2 2
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The "deal" with the EU seems a bit flaky. I suspect the Government will have to work hard to hang on to this one.
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20/01/2021 10:51:14 7 4
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Nobody is going to invest in petrol and diesel car engines.
The question should be is anyone investing in Electric cars for the future.
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20/01/2021 12:04:35 1 0
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Yes, they are. I read some industry report recently about the Germans investing tens of billions in alternative fuel vehicles. By comparison, investment in the UK auto industry as a whole was in the tens of millions.
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20/01/2021 12:05:16 2 1
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From an illegally subsidised French/Dutch/Italian company who bought V just in case of "no deal". Be prepared to see the exit of EU cars (imported or not) from the UK market Developing nations will tighten there grip on cheap labour products - So China,India and Africa. The UK will now ,out of EU, be able to adjust incentives - e.g. 80's Nissan,Toyota UK Factories in exchange for access.
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20/01/2021 12:14:05 13 1
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They didn't buy Vauxhall in case of a no deal. They bought Opel as part of European consolidation, which brought Vauxhall with it.

UK incentives are all well and good, but manufacturers won't be opening new plants here. Labour costs are cheaper in Central Europe and manufacturers currently have too much capacity anyway.
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20/01/2021 12:08:49 3 0
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I wonder if Mr Elon Musk may be interested in builing Teslas in Ellesmer Port. after all it has access to a seaport and could import the required parts quite easily. It all depends on capital cost of the deal, and whether the workforce could stand their new tempremental owner.
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20/01/2021 12:22:47 7 2
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The UK market isn't big enough for Tesla, or any other car builder.
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20/01/2021 17:10:52 1 0
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Why would he risk the actions of an unpredictable UK government who may renege on the trade deal? Companies came to the UK to invest because we have the skills and a huge market on our doorstep. Look at where the output from Sunderland, Derby etc has gone. Tesla would never take that risk, choosing Berlin was an obvious decision
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20/01/2021 12:09:32 9 6
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Tavares says that "on paper, he said, it might make more sense to invest in Europe, because "the biggest market is on the continental Europe side". We all knew this, even back in 2016, but the people of Ellesmere Port still wanted Brexit. I will never understand this but I guess that the people of Ellesmere Port saw benefits beyond their own jobs.
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20/01/2021 12:21:27 6 1
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Most employees live on the Wirral. We voted remain in the hope of avoiding this.
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20/01/2021 12:36:09 2 0
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It might be a bigger market but the best profit margins on each car sale is to be had in the UK. That's why the UK market is so important to the likes of VW etc.
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20/01/2021 13:16:09 3 3
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What a cheek for blaming Ellesmere Port for brexit !!
It was a national poll, so get a grip.
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20/01/2021 11:57:16 23 4
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I'm an Astra owner who works for Vauxhall....if Ellesmere closes I will vote with my wallet....if Vauxhall don't produce/build a model in this country ...I won't buy it.
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20/01/2021 12:10:21 9 8
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I expect you will have to if your wallet is empty.
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20/01/2021 12:12:58 22 4
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Never mind. This government will offer everyone subsidies.

Now we have left the EU we can revert to the industrial policies of the Seventies: unemployment, closure, subsidy, failure, defeat and misery.

But so long as the public schools can still turn out posh boys who know nothing but express it very well in booming plummy voices all will be well in England.
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20/01/2021 12:05:16 2 1
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From an illegally subsidised French/Dutch/Italian company who bought V just in case of "no deal". Be prepared to see the exit of EU cars (imported or not) from the UK market Developing nations will tighten there grip on cheap labour products - So China,India and Africa. The UK will now ,out of EU, be able to adjust incentives - e.g. 80's Nissan,Toyota UK Factories in exchange for access.
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20/01/2021 12:14:05 13 1
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They didn't buy Vauxhall in case of a no deal. They bought Opel as part of European consolidation, which brought Vauxhall with it.

UK incentives are all well and good, but manufacturers won't be opening new plants here. Labour costs are cheaper in Central Europe and manufacturers currently have too much capacity anyway.
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dls
20/01/2021 11:32:01 17 4
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We can't moan about the shrinkage of our car industry if we don't buy British built cars.
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20/01/2021 12:14:09 7 3
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I expect that after Brexit the market will have got a whole lot smaller.
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20/01/2021 12:14:10 10 6
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Brexit Bonanza
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20/01/2021 11:52:57 13 2
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One reason that the Nissan Qashqai sells well in the UK is because it is built here. there is a certain amount of kudos attached to home manufacturing. It is one reason that PSA bought Vauxhall/Opel, because in some countries French brands have poor perception and sales. It would be wise for the big car manufacturing groups to consider retaining some production facilities in the UK.
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20/01/2021 12:21:05 13 0
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They'll just stick a Vauxhall badge on a PSA car. Patriotic buyers are easily fooled.
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20/01/2021 13:27:03 1 0
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Bought French for decades.
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ljs
20/01/2021 10:57:29 7 7
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Hydrogen fuelled vehicles ARE THE FUTURE,
electric cars are an EXPENSIVE blind alley and a complete CONN.
26
20/01/2021 11:57:08 2 2
bbc
Not that tired old oil industry 'lobbyist' rubbish again. Hydrogen cars cost a fortune, there is zero infrastructure for them, nowhere to refuel, they are dangerous, and Hydrogen production emits as much CO2 as Ice engines. Hydrogen may work for trains and HGVs, but it will never be rolled out for cars.
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20/01/2021 12:20:08 6 3
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Electric or hybrid cars with at least 40% UK components and assembled in the UK should be VAT free. See if that is an incentive to continue for Mr Tavares.
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20/01/2021 11:52:57 13 2
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One reason that the Nissan Qashqai sells well in the UK is because it is built here. there is a certain amount of kudos attached to home manufacturing. It is one reason that PSA bought Vauxhall/Opel, because in some countries French brands have poor perception and sales. It would be wise for the big car manufacturing groups to consider retaining some production facilities in the UK.
28
20/01/2021 12:21:05 13 0
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They'll just stick a Vauxhall badge on a PSA car. Patriotic buyers are easily fooled.
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20/01/2021 12:32:22 2 0
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They already do with some models. But a lot of people do their research on products. I for example refuse any product with palm oil in it. Some people are like that about country of origin.
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20/01/2021 13:29:15 0 0
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It hasn't been Vauxhall for many years and you only have to look at the latest "Vauxhall Corsa" advertising "A British brand for 100 years" to understand how duplicitous the current owners are.
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20/01/2021 12:21:05 13 0
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This is just an appeal for subsidies.

Investment in Ellesmere was in doubt before PSA bought Opel/Vauxhall. There is too much factory capacity in Europe and there are better places in Europe to make cars on cost. They want government incentives to stay.

But it's a cheek of him to blame this on the petrol/diesel ban. They don't make engines in the UK anyway, so no investment is threatened by this
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20/01/2021 13:11:59 0 0
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What happened to the engine plant that was built in the nineties at ellesmere port?
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20/01/2021 12:09:32 9 6
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Tavares says that "on paper, he said, it might make more sense to invest in Europe, because "the biggest market is on the continental Europe side". We all knew this, even back in 2016, but the people of Ellesmere Port still wanted Brexit. I will never understand this but I guess that the people of Ellesmere Port saw benefits beyond their own jobs.
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20/01/2021 12:21:27 6 1
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Most employees live on the Wirral. We voted remain in the hope of avoiding this.
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20/01/2021 12:08:49 3 0
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I wonder if Mr Elon Musk may be interested in builing Teslas in Ellesmer Port. after all it has access to a seaport and could import the required parts quite easily. It all depends on capital cost of the deal, and whether the workforce could stand their new tempremental owner.
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20/01/2021 12:22:47 7 2
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The UK market isn't big enough for Tesla, or any other car builder.
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20/01/2021 12:34:00 0 0
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It is bigger than most European markets. But Europe, particularly the south, is failing badly now, expanding markets are in other parts of the world.
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20/01/2021 16:07:45 2 0
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...I bet the Japanese and Korean car builders are glad they don't listed to narrow-minded, inward looking 'strategists', like you, they wouldn't build any cars as their domestic market just isn't big enough? Oh wait, they have discovered a novel idea called 'export markets'...wow!
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20/01/2021 12:23:21 11 6
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Why blame Brexit for this. The reason Vauxhall may not continue at Ellsmere Port is because of the UK pledge to stop sales of Combustion engine cars by 2030. That means they would have to completely change production to Electric vehicles, it would make very little sense to do that here as well when they need to do the same in mainland Europe, this would be the case even if we were still in the EU.
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20/01/2021 12:26:01 8 8
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United Ireland and Independent Scotland E U Nations will be out of this obscene stramash we in England are stuck with it
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20/01/2021 12:32:18 2 0
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He's using the ban to distract from the fact that they want incentives. Ellesmere's future is in question due to overcapacity.

The ban doesn't matter because they don't make engines there and most of their Astras are exported to Europe.

By the 2030 model the Astra platform will be electric compatible (as the Corsa already is). The petrol and electric Corsas are made in the same factory in Spain
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20/01/2021 12:47:46 3 1
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Ellesmere currently exports a substantial part of its production to the EU - virtually all Vauxhalls you see on the road in the UK are actually built in the EU. If we had remained in the EU they could consider continuing this rationale with an electric car but it is not such an attractive business case now we are out of the EU. Brexit undoubtedly plays a big part in their decision.
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20/01/2021 13:25:39 0 0
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its down to both
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20/01/2021 12:23:21 11 6
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Why blame Brexit for this. The reason Vauxhall may not continue at Ellsmere Port is because of the UK pledge to stop sales of Combustion engine cars by 2030. That means they would have to completely change production to Electric vehicles, it would make very little sense to do that here as well when they need to do the same in mainland Europe, this would be the case even if we were still in the EU.
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20/01/2021 12:26:01 8 8
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United Ireland and Independent Scotland E U Nations will be out of this obscene stramash we in England are stuck with it
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20/01/2021 12:38:05 5 0
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I don;t think you will see any international investment in Scotland if it gets independence. Because Scotland is a minuscule market for anything, and no company with any sense would go near the disastrous SNP, knowing they would probably have to double all taxes to make independence viable.
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ljs
20/01/2021 10:50:08 34 16
bbc
This is an International company and it will make sense to them to leave the UK.

Thank you Brexiteers YET AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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20/01/2021 12:30:58 5 2
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Nothing to do with Brexit. This is a call for subsidies to help finance the huge cost of changing to making electric cars.
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20/01/2021 12:23:21 11 6
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Why blame Brexit for this. The reason Vauxhall may not continue at Ellsmere Port is because of the UK pledge to stop sales of Combustion engine cars by 2030. That means they would have to completely change production to Electric vehicles, it would make very little sense to do that here as well when they need to do the same in mainland Europe, this would be the case even if we were still in the EU.
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20/01/2021 12:32:18 2 0
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He's using the ban to distract from the fact that they want incentives. Ellesmere's future is in question due to overcapacity.

The ban doesn't matter because they don't make engines there and most of their Astras are exported to Europe.

By the 2030 model the Astra platform will be electric compatible (as the Corsa already is). The petrol and electric Corsas are made in the same factory in Spain
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ljs
20/01/2021 10:50:08 34 16
bbc
This is an International company and it will make sense to them to leave the UK.

Thank you Brexiteers YET AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
36
20/01/2021 12:33:36 4 1
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If you read the article you will see that this has zero to do with Brexit, it is to do with the UK government's decision to ban the sale of ICE cars. The UK-EU trade deal allows the car industry to continue pretty much as before. Mr Tavares is just fishing for subsidies, which he knows that the government can provide thanks in no small measure to the freedom it has after Brexit.
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20/01/2021 13:05:45 1 2
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Yes, but Stellantis are afraid that British voters change their minds once again, and pull the drawbridge higher still by reneging the FTA.
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20/01/2021 12:09:32 9 6
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Tavares says that "on paper, he said, it might make more sense to invest in Europe, because "the biggest market is on the continental Europe side". We all knew this, even back in 2016, but the people of Ellesmere Port still wanted Brexit. I will never understand this but I guess that the people of Ellesmere Port saw benefits beyond their own jobs.
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20/01/2021 12:36:09 2 0
bbc
It might be a bigger market but the best profit margins on each car sale is to be had in the UK. That's why the UK market is so important to the likes of VW etc.
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20/01/2021 11:57:16 23 4
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I'm an Astra owner who works for Vauxhall....if Ellesmere closes I will vote with my wallet....if Vauxhall don't produce/build a model in this country ...I won't buy it.
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20/01/2021 12:21:45 2 1
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I wonder if your Astra was built in Ellesmere or Poland?
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20/01/2021 12:36:42 6 10
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Maybe we all should stop buying Mr Tavares cars. He can then sell to "the biggest market is on the continental Europe side"and forget about the 280,000 plus cars that his new group sells in the UK . And we can buy our cars from Japan, Korea and other places around the World. May we all need to move on.
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20/01/2021 13:03:28 8 2
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Lets close the plant and all the other small businesses that rely on it.
Throw all the workers on the scrapheap.
Import all our cars half way round the world.
Sounds like a plan.
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20/01/2021 12:51:43 1 0
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The point is that it is British jobs at stake
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20/01/2021 13:11:55 3 0
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All UK-based car makers have been saying they desire as unfettered access to the EU market as possible, it's just common sense.

Stellantis are clearly willing to give up some sales in the UK if they aren't profitable enough.
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ljs
20/01/2021 10:57:29 7 7
bbc
Hydrogen fuelled vehicles ARE THE FUTURE,
electric cars are an EXPENSIVE blind alley and a complete CONN.
40
20/01/2021 12:40:38 2 0
bbc
The said the same thing about using LPG and I drove such cars for work. They were an absolute nightmare to maintain and were eventually replaced diesel cars!
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20/01/2021 12:42:09 6 1
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I remember from a business studies course at Luton Tech in 1967 - Vauxhall did not want to start up at Ellesmere Port, but the management's arm was twisted with government 'incentives' at the time.
28
20/01/2021 12:21:05 13 0
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They'll just stick a Vauxhall badge on a PSA car. Patriotic buyers are easily fooled.
42
20/01/2021 12:32:22 2 0
bbc
They already do with some models. But a lot of people do their research on products. I for example refuse any product with palm oil in it. Some people are like that about country of origin.
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20/01/2021 13:14:49 0 0
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Rest assured no cars contain palm oil.
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ljs
20/01/2021 10:50:08 34 16
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This is an International company and it will make sense to them to leave the UK.

Thank you Brexiteers YET AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
43
20/01/2021 12:33:14 3 3
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It was obvious to the situation that Brexit was a major threat to the Ellesmere Plant. Virtually all Vauxhalls are already made in the EU (Corsa, Insignia & most Astra) and most of the Ellesmere production is actually exported to the EU. Add in the bureaucracy and extra costs of import/export (yes they are there under the deal) and indeed it does most likely make sense for them to go!
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20/01/2021 12:22:47 7 2
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The UK market isn't big enough for Tesla, or any other car builder.
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20/01/2021 12:34:00 0 0
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It is bigger than most European markets. But Europe, particularly the south, is failing badly now, expanding markets are in other parts of the world.
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20/01/2021 13:17:29 1 0
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So it makes no sense for a car maker to invest in a new car plant the UK, which is the European country with the worst access to the EU market, especially when faster growing markets are outside Europe.
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20/01/2021 12:47:55 17 7
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Saw this coming. A now French owned Company with spare capacity in its EU based plants so why would they want to build cars in the UK now that extra Red Tape (thanks Brexiters) has made supply chain more difficult and expensive.
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20/01/2021 17:10:24 4 1
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Even without Brexit, why would a French company invest heavily in a car plant in the UK?

French buyers will buy a car because it is made in France, most British buyers wont, so building the factory in the UK makes no sense.

I wonder how many of those wringing their hands about jobs in the car industry support those jobs by buying a British built car.
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20/01/2021 11:41:04 19 1
bbc
This factory will close in a few years unless UK Gov subsidises which it cannot due to level playing field. Only other hope is a significant devaluation of £ to make costs more competitive. French\Italian Group with biggest market is EU will not manufacture in UK unless big advantage of doing so. Brexit not only reason but adds enough to condemm 1000 employees to lose their jobs
46
20/01/2021 12:36:47 6 1
bbc
Sadly many more than a 1,000 will lose their jobs when you take the supply chain into account.
113
21/01/2021 13:17:03 0 0
bbc
Indeed, could be more than 5 times as many across the country. We are in very insecure, volatile and troubling times. In such times people and industry look to governments for stimulus, innovation and a long term plan ... I rest my case with this government. They have the opportunity and the will of the people to be bold, but I'm not putting my cash on that. Time will tell.
33
20/01/2021 12:26:01 8 8
bbc
United Ireland and Independent Scotland E U Nations will be out of this obscene stramash we in England are stuck with it
47
20/01/2021 12:38:05 5 0
bbc
I don;t think you will see any international investment in Scotland if it gets independence. Because Scotland is a minuscule market for anything, and no company with any sense would go near the disastrous SNP, knowing they would probably have to double all taxes to make independence viable.
12
20/01/2021 11:45:53 13 13
bbc
you leavers were warned.
48
20/01/2021 12:57:44 1 0
bbc
I wonder how many of those working in the Honda factory who are about to lose their jobs due to it closing, voted for Brexit.

Sure, "the Honda closure had nothing to do with Brexit", odd that Honda announced it in the year Brexit was due to happen, after 30+ years of producing cars here.
11
20/01/2021 11:41:04 19 1
bbc
This factory will close in a few years unless UK Gov subsidises which it cannot due to level playing field. Only other hope is a significant devaluation of £ to make costs more competitive. French\Italian Group with biggest market is EU will not manufacture in UK unless big advantage of doing so. Brexit not only reason but adds enough to condemm 1000 employees to lose their jobs
49
20/01/2021 12:58:33 0 0
bbc
I wonder how many of those 1000 voted for Brexit.
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dls
20/01/2021 11:32:01 17 4
bbc
We can't moan about the shrinkage of our car industry if we don't buy British built cars.
50
20/01/2021 13:02:10 0 0
bbc
Consumers buy the best product, not just because it's made locally.

British car makers became so bad that not even British people were buying their cars, and eventually went bust or were acquired by foreign firms.
39
20/01/2021 12:36:42 6 10
bbc
Maybe we all should stop buying Mr Tavares cars. He can then sell to "the biggest market is on the continental Europe side"and forget about the 280,000 plus cars that his new group sells in the UK . And we can buy our cars from Japan, Korea and other places around the World. May we all need to move on.
51
20/01/2021 13:03:28 8 2
bbc
Lets close the plant and all the other small businesses that rely on it.
Throw all the workers on the scrapheap.
Import all our cars half way round the world.
Sounds like a plan.
9
dls
20/01/2021 11:31:36 17 6
bbc
UK car industry has been on a roller coaster of change and lack of investment since the 1960s
Brexit is not the issue, Honda took its CRV production back to Japan
I am old school and like to buy British wherever possible, I have 2 Range Rovers, a CRV and an MG... all British built, to me its important that my spending goes to support British jobs.
52
20/01/2021 13:03:58 4 3
bbc
Even better it would be if you bought the best product, to reward the company doing the best job, instead of risking buying shoddy products just because they have a Union Jack flag on them.
53
20/01/2021 13:03:59 13 1
bbc
Leaving aside the emotion, I cannot think of a reason why Peugeot would want to invest further in this location. It has spare capacity in existing plants in continental Europe and the existing models produced at Ellesmere will not be replaced. The British public has consistently shown it has no preference for locally produced vehicles, and the Vauxhall brand is weak amongst the under-60s.
76
20/01/2021 16:53:11 7 2
bbc
Too right Joe. I live in France and the French love British made cars, you see lots of Mini’s, Toyota’s, Nissan’s and JLR products here but 40% of these car components come from Europe, the industry is so integrated, the UK has chosen to make life difficult for their own car makers. All in the name of a misplaced vision of sovereignty
101
21/01/2021 00:58:07 0 0
bbc
That's what is wrong with the UK citizens, we would rather keep foreign workers in jobs than our own. Look at the top ten cars of last month or twelve months ago, the only two UK built cars in the top ten are the Mini and the Nissan Qashqai. We would rather keep the GERMAN workers in jobs and let the UK workers loose their jobs.
32
20/01/2021 12:23:21 11 6
bbc
Why blame Brexit for this. The reason Vauxhall may not continue at Ellsmere Port is because of the UK pledge to stop sales of Combustion engine cars by 2030. That means they would have to completely change production to Electric vehicles, it would make very little sense to do that here as well when they need to do the same in mainland Europe, this would be the case even if we were still in the EU.
54
20/01/2021 12:47:46 3 1
bbc
Ellesmere currently exports a substantial part of its production to the EU - virtually all Vauxhalls you see on the road in the UK are actually built in the EU. If we had remained in the EU they could consider continuing this rationale with an electric car but it is not such an attractive business case now we are out of the EU. Brexit undoubtedly plays a big part in their decision.
36
20/01/2021 12:33:36 4 1
bbc
If you read the article you will see that this has zero to do with Brexit, it is to do with the UK government's decision to ban the sale of ICE cars. The UK-EU trade deal allows the car industry to continue pretty much as before. Mr Tavares is just fishing for subsidies, which he knows that the government can provide thanks in no small measure to the freedom it has after Brexit.
55
20/01/2021 13:05:45 1 2
bbc
Yes, but Stellantis are afraid that British voters change their minds once again, and pull the drawbridge higher still by reneging the FTA.
78
20/01/2021 17:03:25 3 2
bbc
Well as we say here in France ‘perfide Albion’..you just can’t trust the English.
39
20/01/2021 12:36:42 6 10
bbc
Maybe we all should stop buying Mr Tavares cars. He can then sell to "the biggest market is on the continental Europe side"and forget about the 280,000 plus cars that his new group sells in the UK . And we can buy our cars from Japan, Korea and other places around the World. May we all need to move on.
56
20/01/2021 12:51:43 1 0
bbc
The point is that it is British jobs at stake
39
20/01/2021 12:36:42 6 10
bbc
Maybe we all should stop buying Mr Tavares cars. He can then sell to "the biggest market is on the continental Europe side"and forget about the 280,000 plus cars that his new group sells in the UK . And we can buy our cars from Japan, Korea and other places around the World. May we all need to move on.
57
20/01/2021 13:11:55 3 0
bbc
All UK-based car makers have been saying they desire as unfettered access to the EU market as possible, it's just common sense.

Stellantis are clearly willing to give up some sales in the UK if they aren't profitable enough.
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20/01/2021 12:21:05 13 0
bbc
This is just an appeal for subsidies.

Investment in Ellesmere was in doubt before PSA bought Opel/Vauxhall. There is too much factory capacity in Europe and there are better places in Europe to make cars on cost. They want government incentives to stay.

But it's a cheek of him to blame this on the petrol/diesel ban. They don't make engines in the UK anyway, so no investment is threatened by this
58
20/01/2021 13:11:59 0 0
bbc
What happened to the engine plant that was built in the nineties at ellesmere port?
114
21/01/2021 13:18:19 0 0
bbc
Probably they sent that work to EU.
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JS
21/01/2021 23:04:47 0 0
bbc
Is in Poland, getting retooling to produce 3 cylinder "Puretech" petrol engines.
42
20/01/2021 12:32:22 2 0
bbc
They already do with some models. But a lot of people do their research on products. I for example refuse any product with palm oil in it. Some people are like that about country of origin.
59
20/01/2021 13:14:49 0 0
bbc
Rest assured no cars contain palm oil.
19
20/01/2021 12:09:32 9 6
bbc
Tavares says that "on paper, he said, it might make more sense to invest in Europe, because "the biggest market is on the continental Europe side". We all knew this, even back in 2016, but the people of Ellesmere Port still wanted Brexit. I will never understand this but I guess that the people of Ellesmere Port saw benefits beyond their own jobs.
60
20/01/2021 13:16:09 3 3
bbc
What a cheek for blaming Ellesmere Port for brexit !!
It was a national poll, so get a grip.
12
20/01/2021 11:45:53 13 13
bbc
you leavers were warned.
61
20/01/2021 13:16:41 1 2
bbc
Stop moaning and if you don't like it move abroad.
44
20/01/2021 12:34:00 0 0
bbc
It is bigger than most European markets. But Europe, particularly the south, is failing badly now, expanding markets are in other parts of the world.
62
20/01/2021 13:17:29 1 0
bbc
So it makes no sense for a car maker to invest in a new car plant the UK, which is the European country with the worst access to the EU market, especially when faster growing markets are outside Europe.
63
20/01/2021 13:20:51 17 6
bbc
Not rocket science. UK has now become far less competitive in EU and internationally due to the excess costs and huge bureacracy that is now evident outside the EU. Sorry Brexiteers, didnt you call this all lies/ remainer project fear? Well done for being proved wrong.... yet again.

This is the reality and just the start. Other car makers with UK plants will be moving away from the UK sadly.
32
20/01/2021 12:23:21 11 6
bbc
Why blame Brexit for this. The reason Vauxhall may not continue at Ellsmere Port is because of the UK pledge to stop sales of Combustion engine cars by 2030. That means they would have to completely change production to Electric vehicles, it would make very little sense to do that here as well when they need to do the same in mainland Europe, this would be the case even if we were still in the EU.
64
20/01/2021 13:25:39 0 0
bbc
its down to both
25
20/01/2021 11:52:57 13 2
bbc
One reason that the Nissan Qashqai sells well in the UK is because it is built here. there is a certain amount of kudos attached to home manufacturing. It is one reason that PSA bought Vauxhall/Opel, because in some countries French brands have poor perception and sales. It would be wise for the big car manufacturing groups to consider retaining some production facilities in the UK.
65
20/01/2021 13:27:03 1 0
bbc
Bought French for decades.
69
20/01/2021 14:07:19 3 0
bbc
My current car has a French badge. But a Japanese engine, is designed by an Italian and built in the Czech republic! I think French cars are as good as, if not better than, German these days.
28
20/01/2021 12:21:05 13 0
bbc
They'll just stick a Vauxhall badge on a PSA car. Patriotic buyers are easily fooled.
66
20/01/2021 13:29:15 0 0
bbc
It hasn't been Vauxhall for many years and you only have to look at the latest "Vauxhall Corsa" advertising "A British brand for 100 years" to understand how duplicitous the current owners are.
11
20/01/2021 11:41:04 19 1
bbc
This factory will close in a few years unless UK Gov subsidises which it cannot due to level playing field. Only other hope is a significant devaluation of £ to make costs more competitive. French\Italian Group with biggest market is EU will not manufacture in UK unless big advantage of doing so. Brexit not only reason but adds enough to condemm 1000 employees to lose their jobs
67
20/01/2021 13:30:51 1 0
bbc
Devaluation won't help the price of imported parts will be horrendous
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dls
20/01/2021 11:31:36 17 6
bbc
UK car industry has been on a roller coaster of change and lack of investment since the 1960s
Brexit is not the issue, Honda took its CRV production back to Japan
I am old school and like to buy British wherever possible, I have 2 Range Rovers, a CRV and an MG... all British built, to me its important that my spending goes to support British jobs.
68
20/01/2021 13:32:25 1 1
bbc
I plump for best value everytime so am happy to buy EU goods
97
21/01/2021 00:13:01 1 0
bbc
You get better value and reliability from Asian brands than the EU. I would always look to buy British if I possibly can. Better to support your own economy first over someone else’s.
As for the Germans and dieselgate well, If you wish to support a company deliberately polluting the planet for years, and it took an American engineers to uncover, then that is where your moral compass must sit.
65
20/01/2021 13:27:03 1 0
bbc
Bought French for decades.
69
20/01/2021 14:07:19 3 0
bbc
My current car has a French badge. But a Japanese engine, is designed by an Italian and built in the Czech republic! I think French cars are as good as, if not better than, German these days.
96
21/01/2021 00:00:49 0 0
bbc
Will never buy a VW after the dieselgate scandal, shameful. German marketing is probably better than their engineering too..
70
20/01/2021 15:18:20 2 0
bbc
private cant support industry - n or entire economy!. time to say -factory closed is 1 nationalised socialist.net
71
20/01/2021 15:20:42 3 0
bbc
all he wants is money
72
20/01/2021 15:28:26 0 0
bbc
Mr Tavares said the fate of Ellesmere Port will depend on the UK government's comittment to the car industry
The head of Vauxhall's parent company has warned that it will no longer invest in pure diesel or petrol cars at its Ellesmere Port plant.

So they will build hybrid cars, dependant on the amount of a back hander they get from the government.
83
20/01/2021 17:21:55 2 3
bbc
Diesel is dead, sales are tanking, EVs outsold them in the UK in December. Petrol cars not far behind. Once you’ve driven an EV you would never want to go back. I charge at home, funded all my driving last year from 8 solar panels, driving on sunlight, what could be better? Almost 2 years since I’ve had to waste my money on the fossil poison. HMG should incentivise them to build only EVs
31
20/01/2021 12:22:47 7 2
bbc
The UK market isn't big enough for Tesla, or any other car builder.
73
20/01/2021 16:07:45 2 0
bbc
...I bet the Japanese and Korean car builders are glad they don't listed to narrow-minded, inward looking 'strategists', like you, they wouldn't build any cars as their domestic market just isn't big enough? Oh wait, they have discovered a novel idea called 'export markets'...wow!
74
20/01/2021 16:47:29 4 4
bbc
Project Fear becomes Project Fact, day by day the huge blunder the UK has made in leaving the EU comes home to roost in higher prices, lost jobs and falling investment. Just south of me at Angouleme a new battery plant is being built by PSA/Total that will provide the Stellantis group cars with power. This is one of 3 new factories as we transition away from fossil cars.
75
20/01/2021 16:51:42 6 3
bbc
Very clever statement or veiled threat? Either way it's clear Vauxhall uk are doomed . Sure Honda and Toyota won't be far behind. Now that's what you call taking back control!
82
20/01/2021 17:19:14 3 6
bbc
simply idiotic to link this to Brexit......... but if you are a stuck in the past Remoaner, it will do won't it.
53
20/01/2021 13:03:59 13 1
bbc
Leaving aside the emotion, I cannot think of a reason why Peugeot would want to invest further in this location. It has spare capacity in existing plants in continental Europe and the existing models produced at Ellesmere will not be replaced. The British public has consistently shown it has no preference for locally produced vehicles, and the Vauxhall brand is weak amongst the under-60s.
76
20/01/2021 16:53:11 7 2
bbc
Too right Joe. I live in France and the French love British made cars, you see lots of Mini’s, Toyota’s, Nissan’s and JLR products here but 40% of these car components come from Europe, the industry is so integrated, the UK has chosen to make life difficult for their own car makers. All in the name of a misplaced vision of sovereignty
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ljs
20/01/2021 10:57:29 7 7
bbc
Hydrogen fuelled vehicles ARE THE FUTURE,
electric cars are an EXPENSIVE blind alley and a complete CONN.
77
20/01/2021 17:02:32 1 0
bbc
Hydrogen fuel cells for light duty vehicles is a blind alley, they are not the future. That battle is already won by BEVs. Battery technology improves year on year, just look at how prices have fallen and energy densities are increasing. The 52 KWh Renault Zoe battery (2020 model) takes up the same space as the 22 KWh battery in that car (2013). Hydrogen will never be able to compete
98
21/01/2021 00:16:58 0 0
bbc
Hydrogen will be for the heavier car/van. At a certain point of power/range. Electric batteries are too heavy to be efficient.
55
20/01/2021 13:05:45 1 2
bbc
Yes, but Stellantis are afraid that British voters change their minds once again, and pull the drawbridge higher still by reneging the FTA.
78
20/01/2021 17:03:25 3 2
bbc
Well as we say here in France ‘perfide Albion’..you just can’t trust the English.
84
20/01/2021 17:43:49 0 0
bbc
Many thanks for the info! Judging by the other less than helpful constructive comments on HYS you could well be right about the English but I still believe it's the system rather than the individuals that's the problem.
79
20/01/2021 17:07:14 1 2
bbc
Vauxhall as a non-UK controlled entity has has long been in decline, so why should UK tax payers support its ageing product line, low in the technology stakes? I'm sure that the likes of Suzuki with their entire range hybrid I believe, will be jumping at the sales potential when Vauxhall goes. It may make sense for hybrid or electric car producers viewing battery support here, to buy the plants.
100
21/01/2021 00:49:14 0 0
bbc
There are 1000 HUMAN beings who work there who have families to support. You people make me sick with no regard to the people who work there and the supply firms who make parts for that plant. Have you been inside the plant, do you know whether it's in decline, no, you are one of these people who just reads what the media put in their pages, like the s*n, the tory papers the Daily tory Mail.
116
21/01/2021 14:01:56 0 0
bbc
And please, pray tell, were do the workers live? Do they commute from the EU or US everyday? Do those who work in the supply chain commute from the EU or the US each day, do they pay tax to the UK Gov?

Finally do you really think that Suzuki will be rushing to build a plant for the UK market alone?

I'm not really sure you've grasped the realities of business, Brexit and Project Truth!
45
20/01/2021 12:47:55 17 7
bbc
Saw this coming. A now French owned Company with spare capacity in its EU based plants so why would they want to build cars in the UK now that extra Red Tape (thanks Brexiters) has made supply chain more difficult and expensive.
80
20/01/2021 17:10:24 4 1
bbc
Even without Brexit, why would a French company invest heavily in a car plant in the UK?

French buyers will buy a car because it is made in France, most British buyers wont, so building the factory in the UK makes no sense.

I wonder how many of those wringing their hands about jobs in the car industry support those jobs by buying a British built car.
18
20/01/2021 12:08:49 3 0
bbc
I wonder if Mr Elon Musk may be interested in builing Teslas in Ellesmer Port. after all it has access to a seaport and could import the required parts quite easily. It all depends on capital cost of the deal, and whether the workforce could stand their new tempremental owner.
81
20/01/2021 17:10:52 1 0
bbc
Why would he risk the actions of an unpredictable UK government who may renege on the trade deal? Companies came to the UK to invest because we have the skills and a huge market on our doorstep. Look at where the output from Sunderland, Derby etc has gone. Tesla would never take that risk, choosing Berlin was an obvious decision
75
20/01/2021 16:51:42 6 3
bbc
Very clever statement or veiled threat? Either way it's clear Vauxhall uk are doomed . Sure Honda and Toyota won't be far behind. Now that's what you call taking back control!
82
20/01/2021 17:19:14 3 6
bbc
simply idiotic to link this to Brexit......... but if you are a stuck in the past Remoaner, it will do won't it.
86
20/01/2021 18:05:08 2 3
bbc
Before Brexit a European company or individual had more flexibility to handle production or services anywhere in Europe, now UK based hasn't. In what way do you not understand that it's easier to have choices without extra bureaucracy.

If you think you can do better then buy the division and show that Brexiteers are doers.
93
20/01/2021 22:49:54 0 2
bbc
Resorting to insults doesn't improve your argument, it just makes you look foolish.
72
20/01/2021 15:28:26 0 0
bbc
Mr Tavares said the fate of Ellesmere Port will depend on the UK government's comittment to the car industry
The head of Vauxhall's parent company has warned that it will no longer invest in pure diesel or petrol cars at its Ellesmere Port plant.

So they will build hybrid cars, dependant on the amount of a back hander they get from the government.
83
20/01/2021 17:21:55 2 3
bbc
Diesel is dead, sales are tanking, EVs outsold them in the UK in December. Petrol cars not far behind. Once you’ve driven an EV you would never want to go back. I charge at home, funded all my driving last year from 8 solar panels, driving on sunlight, what could be better? Almost 2 years since I’ve had to waste my money on the fossil poison. HMG should incentivise them to build only EVs
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Jim
20/01/2021 23:25:23 2 0
bbc
How far do you normally drive? Would love to go ev but its not there yet, range doesn't cover a return drive to lake district or Anglesey with either a roof rack full of canoes or towing the trailer. Unlikely to be able to top up at the launch site and don't fancy having room spend an hour in a service station
117
21/01/2021 14:10:20 0 0
bbc
Solar panels only work if your roof is facing within a certain tolerance of South. When we looked at it 8ish years ago it was with 18 degress either way, no good for us.

Issue's if you don't own the freehold as well.

Your fotunate to own such a house.

HMG should pull down all house's and rebuild them south facing and get rid of leasehold property.

Have you seen the pollution a battery creates
78
20/01/2021 17:03:25 3 2
bbc
Well as we say here in France ‘perfide Albion’..you just can’t trust the English.
84
20/01/2021 17:43:49 0 0
bbc
Many thanks for the info! Judging by the other less than helpful constructive comments on HYS you could well be right about the English but I still believe it's the system rather than the individuals that's the problem.
85
20/01/2021 17:44:17 1 2
bbc
This is nothing to do with Brexit. All car companies will have to make Electric cars in the UK as of 2030.
They have to start thinking about building Electric cars now.
If companies do not invest in the future, they will close.
90
20/01/2021 18:50:58 5 3
bbc
1. This is nothing to do with Brexit.
Did Brexit make it easier to move parts?

2. All car companies will have to make Electric cars in the UK as of 2030.
Or import.

3. They have to start thinking about building Electric cars now.
They already have but why here?

4. If companies do not invest in the future, they will close.
Why risk investing in a country that is prepared to break treaties?
82
20/01/2021 17:19:14 3 6
bbc
simply idiotic to link this to Brexit......... but if you are a stuck in the past Remoaner, it will do won't it.
86
20/01/2021 18:05:08 2 3
bbc
Before Brexit a European company or individual had more flexibility to handle production or services anywhere in Europe, now UK based hasn't. In what way do you not understand that it's easier to have choices without extra bureaucracy.

If you think you can do better then buy the division and show that Brexiteers are doers.
94
20/01/2021 23:02:13 1 1
bbc
What- when GM decided they had had enough of rising costs and shrinking sales , so they unloaded it to PSA , along with Opel, Germany? Vauxhall , and to a lesser extent Opel, have been teetering for years. Nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit , but product demand and costs.
87
20/01/2021 18:18:10 3 5
bbc
UK car plants are far too unionised and far too inefficient to be viable in the long term. The government should not allow itself to be held to ransom and instead invest money retraining un-unionised workers in the new green industries required to meet the low carbon requirements of the future.
88
20/01/2021 18:41:39 1 3
bbc
How about the governmental system gets retrained for any kind of future? Any system than encourage bozos with impunity decade after decade clearly isn't fit for purpose.
99
21/01/2021 00:39:35 1 0
bbc
You are talking through your rectum, UK plants are some of the most efficient car plants in the world. Nissan, Sunderland plant is the most efficient plant in the Nissan empire. BMW, Mini plant is one of their most efficient plants as well in the German car company. Germany is one of the most UNIONISED countries IN THE WORLD. FRANCE , is second only to Germany for being controlled by the unions.
107
21/01/2021 10:03:54 1 0
bbc
Complete rubbish. There is very little union presence in UK car plants vs. those in mainland Europe, while for example Nissan Sunderland is one of the most efficient car plants in Europe.
119
21/01/2021 15:14:34 0 0
bbc
UK car plants like Nissan are very efficient with good industrial relations.
87
20/01/2021 18:18:10 3 5
bbc
UK car plants are far too unionised and far too inefficient to be viable in the long term. The government should not allow itself to be held to ransom and instead invest money retraining un-unionised workers in the new green industries required to meet the low carbon requirements of the future.
88
20/01/2021 18:41:39 1 3
bbc
How about the governmental system gets retrained for any kind of future? Any system than encourage bozos with impunity decade after decade clearly isn't fit for purpose.
89
20/01/2021 18:45:42 0 1
bbc
By Vauxhall you mean general motors .
How's the opel badge doing, cos I think
General motors European arm has been on the slide for donkeys years with too many weak models.
91
20/01/2021 19:08:23 4 0
bbc
GM sold it's european business (Opel and Vauxhall) to PSA a few years back and PSA have just completed a merger with FCA to form Stellantis. The ex GM brands will be the first to get the chop.
85
20/01/2021 17:44:17 1 2
bbc
This is nothing to do with Brexit. All car companies will have to make Electric cars in the UK as of 2030.
They have to start thinking about building Electric cars now.
If companies do not invest in the future, they will close.
90
20/01/2021 18:50:58 5 3
bbc
1. This is nothing to do with Brexit.
Did Brexit make it easier to move parts?

2. All car companies will have to make Electric cars in the UK as of 2030.
Or import.

3. They have to start thinking about building Electric cars now.
They already have but why here?

4. If companies do not invest in the future, they will close.
Why risk investing in a country that is prepared to break treaties?
89
20/01/2021 18:45:42 0 1
bbc
By Vauxhall you mean general motors .
How's the opel badge doing, cos I think
General motors European arm has been on the slide for donkeys years with too many weak models.
91
20/01/2021 19:08:23 4 0
bbc
GM sold it's european business (Opel and Vauxhall) to PSA a few years back and PSA have just completed a merger with FCA to form Stellantis. The ex GM brands will be the first to get the chop.
14
20/01/2021 11:57:16 23 4
bbc
I'm an Astra owner who works for Vauxhall....if Ellesmere closes I will vote with my wallet....if Vauxhall don't produce/build a model in this country ...I won't buy it.
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PCS
20/01/2021 21:18:13 0 1
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You'd better hope the UK has plenty of Astra Spares and we have mild winters for the next decade! My old Rover (2005) is barely hanging in there via the scrappie...anything new its a rip-off
82
20/01/2021 17:19:14 3 6
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simply idiotic to link this to Brexit......... but if you are a stuck in the past Remoaner, it will do won't it.
93
20/01/2021 22:49:54 0 2
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Resorting to insults doesn't improve your argument, it just makes you look foolish.
86
20/01/2021 18:05:08 2 3
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Before Brexit a European company or individual had more flexibility to handle production or services anywhere in Europe, now UK based hasn't. In what way do you not understand that it's easier to have choices without extra bureaucracy.

If you think you can do better then buy the division and show that Brexiteers are doers.
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20/01/2021 23:02:13 1 1
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What- when GM decided they had had enough of rising costs and shrinking sales , so they unloaded it to PSA , along with Opel, Germany? Vauxhall , and to a lesser extent Opel, have been teetering for years. Nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit , but product demand and costs.
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20/01/2021 17:21:55 2 3
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Diesel is dead, sales are tanking, EVs outsold them in the UK in December. Petrol cars not far behind. Once you’ve driven an EV you would never want to go back. I charge at home, funded all my driving last year from 8 solar panels, driving on sunlight, what could be better? Almost 2 years since I’ve had to waste my money on the fossil poison. HMG should incentivise them to build only EVs
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Jim
20/01/2021 23:25:23 2 0
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How far do you normally drive? Would love to go ev but its not there yet, range doesn't cover a return drive to lake district or Anglesey with either a roof rack full of canoes or towing the trailer. Unlikely to be able to top up at the launch site and don't fancy having room spend an hour in a service station
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20/01/2021 14:07:19 3 0
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My current car has a French badge. But a Japanese engine, is designed by an Italian and built in the Czech republic! I think French cars are as good as, if not better than, German these days.
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21/01/2021 00:00:49 0 0
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Will never buy a VW after the dieselgate scandal, shameful. German marketing is probably better than their engineering too..
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20/01/2021 13:32:25 1 1
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I plump for best value everytime so am happy to buy EU goods
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21/01/2021 00:13:01 1 0
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You get better value and reliability from Asian brands than the EU. I would always look to buy British if I possibly can. Better to support your own economy first over someone else’s.
As for the Germans and dieselgate well, If you wish to support a company deliberately polluting the planet for years, and it took an American engineers to uncover, then that is where your moral compass must sit.
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20/01/2021 17:02:32 1 0
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Hydrogen fuel cells for light duty vehicles is a blind alley, they are not the future. That battle is already won by BEVs. Battery technology improves year on year, just look at how prices have fallen and energy densities are increasing. The 52 KWh Renault Zoe battery (2020 model) takes up the same space as the 22 KWh battery in that car (2013). Hydrogen will never be able to compete
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21/01/2021 00:16:58 0 0
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Hydrogen will be for the heavier car/van. At a certain point of power/range. Electric batteries are too heavy to be efficient.
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20/01/2021 18:18:10 3 5
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UK car plants are far too unionised and far too inefficient to be viable in the long term. The government should not allow itself to be held to ransom and instead invest money retraining un-unionised workers in the new green industries required to meet the low carbon requirements of the future.
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21/01/2021 00:39:35 1 0
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You are talking through your rectum, UK plants are some of the most efficient car plants in the world. Nissan, Sunderland plant is the most efficient plant in the Nissan empire. BMW, Mini plant is one of their most efficient plants as well in the German car company. Germany is one of the most UNIONISED countries IN THE WORLD. FRANCE , is second only to Germany for being controlled by the unions.
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20/01/2021 17:07:14 1 2
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Vauxhall as a non-UK controlled entity has has long been in decline, so why should UK tax payers support its ageing product line, low in the technology stakes? I'm sure that the likes of Suzuki with their entire range hybrid I believe, will be jumping at the sales potential when Vauxhall goes. It may make sense for hybrid or electric car producers viewing battery support here, to buy the plants.
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21/01/2021 00:49:14 0 0
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There are 1000 HUMAN beings who work there who have families to support. You people make me sick with no regard to the people who work there and the supply firms who make parts for that plant. Have you been inside the plant, do you know whether it's in decline, no, you are one of these people who just reads what the media put in their pages, like the s*n, the tory papers the Daily tory Mail.