Universal credit: MPs urge PM to keep £20 benefit 'lifeline'
18/01/2021 | news | politics | 4,720
Pressure grows on PM after non-binding motion on universal credit top-up is passed by 278 votes.
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18/01/2021 10:22:30 386 162
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Universal credit was designed to punish people who became unemployed and was never set at a decent level.
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18/01/2021 10:31:59 564 28
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I've just become unemployed at the age of 54 for the first time in my life. It's impossible to navigate the benefit system and they make it almost impossible to claim anything. Really hacks me off considering the amount of tax & NI I have paid all these years.
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18/01/2021 10:51:29 19 13
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What has happened is that the first welfare Cap was entirely justified but the second one was not. It has caused high levels of poverty.
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18/01/2021 11:02:50 51 66
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No it was a hand up to get people back into work, what a lot of people want is a life style choice
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18/01/2021 11:12:04 46 41
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UC was designed to benefit unemployed people who tried to get back into work, by allowing them to keep more of their benefits, as opposed to benefitting people who, in some cases, choose not to work and expect the state to support them.
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18/01/2021 11:15:15 47 15
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There is some logic in that, if it was easy to apply and you got a good standard of living from it there wouldn't be much incentive to work would there?

Problem is there will always be two camps on this, those who don't want people to get anything and those who want them to get everything. As usual the middle ground is about right.
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18/01/2021 11:23:39 15 3
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"Universal credit was designed to punish people who became unemployed" That's not an opinion by the way, that was official guidance given to Employment Advisors about the scheme and what it was intended to do. They were very up front with it.
18/01/2021 12:18:41 11 11
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A few concerns:

1. "Universal credit was designed to punish people." The welfare state is not punishment. It does have gaps, and applied rather rigidly, but it is not punishment.

2. "became unemployed" - Universal Credit covers more than just Jobseekers, and has several in work benefits.

3. "never set at a decent level" - What is decent? It will be interpreted differently by different ppl
18/01/2021 12:37:23 7 4
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predict some people will turn to drug dealing for extra income
18/01/2021 13:17:36 15 7
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Benefits are inadequate. This is not what I pay taxes for... I want my money to go on supporting other people in their time of need, not frittered away on vanity projects and lining the pockets of politicians and their cronies!
18/01/2021 14:00:34 6 8
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No its designed so that working people top up the wages of the fat cat businesses who pay poverty wages to their staff
18/01/2021 14:02:48 5 1
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Actually it was designed by Frank Field (former Labour Minister) to be a pathway back to work, and the Ian Drunken-Smith got put in charge.... If only he'd left well alone.
18/01/2021 16:14:45 2 0
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What is your idea of a decent level? £1000 a week?
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18/01/2021 10:23:35 20 20
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You can predict what will come on a HYS about benefits.

Just have compassion!!
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18/01/2021 11:27:16 3 1
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Yes, but compassion doesn't pay bills. One day, all this compassion will have to be accounted for. I would like to think it will be done by closing tax loopholes and tax havens, but we all know that will never happen.
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18/01/2021 11:41:45 4 5
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I dont have compassion for people that decide they are too good to work, have no reason to work, expect hard working taxpayers to fund their drug and drink lifestyle whilst they pop out the next generation of ASBOs
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18/01/2021 10:23:49 21 21
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I’m going to clap for the real heroes tonight..the paid Tory shills. Day after day they post deflection, nasty abuse and deluded congratulations, knowing next week they will post the opposite after another u turn.

All of them were criticising starmer for abstaining. It shows lack of leadership, a coward etc. Now it’s ok. This clap is for you guys. Fighting the impossible defence of this weak pm.
18/01/2021 13:03:56 4 2
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Yours sincerely,
Paid Labour Shill
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18/01/2021 10:24:32 21 20
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Greedy tories in their country estates 'are there no workhouses?'
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18/01/2021 10:26:59 8 7
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Dickens would turn in his grave.
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18/01/2021 10:24:48 25 21
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The tories and cutting benefits to the poorest in society…. Name a more iconic duo.
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18/01/2021 10:25:03 888 214
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We bailed out the banks in their time of need...Let’s show ordinary people a little bit of compassion
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18/01/2021 10:40:18 492 149
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But apparently these politicians are more acquainted with bankers than with ordinary people.
Tories don't know the meaning of the word 'compassion' Removed
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18/01/2021 10:44:51 63 103
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Let's show the taxpayer some compassion!
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18/01/2021 11:07:36 53 17
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Only millionaires and billionaires have access to our money....
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18/01/2021 11:09:46 15 17
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How about £280bn worth (and rising).
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18/01/2021 11:14:41 25 5
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It is not just the banks, think about stamp duty which still continues and maybe scrapped, but benefits to the poorest, sighs

do a search on how much benefit increases are 2021, and bear in mind we are seeing council tax rises of 4%- 5%.

levelling up starts at the bottom and goes through society bottom to top, but we shall see, so far few promises made by this government are worth anything
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18/01/2021 11:16:57 31 3
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The main thing Boris could do to save messing about with meal vouchers, food banks and child poverty is to raise the minimum wage and ensure more full time working.
The government is not there to support mean employers with tax payers cash.
For the looney lefties....IT WAS LABOUR WHO BAILED OUT THE BANKS !! Removed
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18/01/2021 12:08:52 17 3
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Not a lot of people know this, but at the start of the pandemic the central banks bailed out the finance system all over again with monetary easing. Now certain financial funds are reporting bumper profits for 2020.

Now there is an argument for very heavy taxation. Go get 'em Rishi or are they chums?
18/01/2021 12:21:50 7 17
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This isn't ordinary people - most of us work and pay tax

Some don't and we pay for their lifestyles

It isn't fair and it sentences them to unproductive lives and kills the public finances

You can fund the NHS or the lazy - what do you choose?
18/01/2021 12:25:49 9 2
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If we didn't bail out the banks, our entire economy (including your life savings, house prices and Sterling) would have gone down the toilet.
18/01/2021 12:34:11 0 8
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Why give money to british people? that money could be best spent on Africa
18/01/2021 12:54:00 6 2
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Bank bailouts were done in exchange for an equity stake in the banks. The UK gov has now recouped most of the bailout money from disposing of those equity stakes

At the end of the day, companies incl banks, are just abstract concepts, abstract organisations of people.

Ultimately we both reap the rewards *and* pay the costs of everything.
18/01/2021 13:37:48 7 2
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Do people really think that if we cut benefits etc, that that would really benefit the taxpayer? No. Tax will keep going up regardless. Maybe it is time that people stood together and look at the real screwups this self-serving administration have brought on themselves and stop turning on one another. Divide and rule is the key factor here, but people are too blind to see it.
18/01/2021 13:44:35 3 4
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£20 not a lot but can be bit of a life saver people if furloughed. Banks taking p lately, isa rates plummeted, my kids junior isa's gone from 3% I presumed would roughly stay the same so can know roughly what they recieve at 18 dropped to 2.65% last year, now dropping to 2%. Money legally the kids money and tight banks squeezing the benefits out of it so will be looking to move to another bank
18/01/2021 13:50:12 2 4
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I get what you're saying, but the more they get the more they'll want.

Come next year it'll be the same screaming.
18/01/2021 13:57:35 1 1
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Are you suggesting we buy shares in the poor?
18/01/2021 13:57:49 1 1
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Not every working family on benefits got the extra 1k last year, if you work part time and recieve child tax credits instead of working tax credits and on old system instead of U.C as don't fancy waiting nearly 2 months for claim to be done there was no £20week extra but still furloughed 3 times at 80%while paying bedroom tax with 2 girls in 3 bed home so getting what law says need need to live on
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18/01/2021 10:25:18 34 37
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Have you noticed that when a government minister makes a statement there is now a Union Jack in the background. Reminiscent of the National Front Party Political broadcasts in the 1970s which is appropriate given the lurch to the right the Trumpist government has made
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18/01/2021 10:27:14 32 26
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what do you want a French one, stupid comment
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18/01/2021 10:27:45 16 16
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This is exactly why people turned away from Labour. Equating our country's flag with the far right wins you no friends at all.
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18/01/2021 10:32:29 4 3
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Yep - annoying it may be, but hey they have little real identity left so its hard to know who they are, what they stand for so the flag is there to at least identify what country they are from.
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18/01/2021 10:46:24 9 3
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The Union Jack is supposed to represent the United Kingdom but is increasingly used by the Conservatives, Brexiteers and other right-wing groups.

I used to be happy to see it as ceremonial but now it appears to be a political symbol.
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18/01/2021 11:41:00 3 5
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We despair at how the Union Jack is used as a political symbol.

But I do feel for Scottish people who must feel angry that their Saltire has been hijacked by the SNP.
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18/01/2021 10:25:37 51 18
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I thought we took back control so we could look after our own. Well, here’s our chance.
18/01/2021 12:37:16 10 7
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Unfortunately, The Conservative Party are, and you don't have to be a British Citizen (despite their flag waving) to Benefit.
No Matter what Country you have Citizenship in the Conservatives will be Happy to take your Donation.
5 figure sums or more will accepted through the usual discreet channels.....
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18/01/2021 10:25:54 26 26
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Hopefully this will reinforce the fact that the current government does not care about the poor in the UK. Redwall voters take note. They are not interested in your situation apart from when they mislead you with empty promises once every 5 years.

Perhaps they will be shamed into it like they were with the school meals despite voting previously for children to go hungry.
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18/01/2021 11:53:42 6 4
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and there we have the real issue. Labour supporters and Guardian readers who can't believe and are incensed that the Northern working class voted for the Conservatives. The Red Wall voters actually used their common sense and prevented Comrade Corbyn, IRA McDonnell and Clown Abbott from ruining the country
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18/01/2021 10:26:06 50 28
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Sociopaths will wish to deny benefits to people who have lost their jobs due to Covid.
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18/01/2021 11:28:09 33 21
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No, most people have no problem with people who have lots their jobs due to Covid getting financial help. What is a problem, is lifelong benefit claimants who have no health problems fiddling the system and deciding they wont work and will just sponge off the government for their entire life not being a productive member of society.
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18/01/2021 11:53:07 1 3
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Or brexit.
18/01/2021 12:47:35 3 6
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people will drug deal to make extra
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18/01/2021 10:26:11 72 15
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Furlough, Business Grants, Benefit Increases all need a coherent plan to managed down once the vaccination programme reaches a critical mass.
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18/01/2021 11:04:08 47 5
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It needs a managed plan once the economy recovers, not just when the vaccination reaches a critical mass. Vaccination alone is not a silver bullet
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18/01/2021 11:37:08 0 5
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That rules out this government, then.
18/01/2021 12:44:38 1 4
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vaccine isn't 100%. they should have locked down the borders and tested people instead propping up airlines
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18/01/2021 10:26:25 327 60
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Tax MPs heavily , 2nd 3rd 4th jobs, cut massively Lords expenses , 300 quid tax free in their arse pocket for turning up for a nap
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18/01/2021 10:32:50 225 46
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MPs should not be salaried if they have another generous source of income. They are there to serve their constituents and there country. Being an MP is a privilege they volunteer to do. Sadly it’s become the most lucrative of temporary jobs.
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18/01/2021 10:44:28 15 9
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Your populist ranting is music to the ears of those who want to concentrate even more power in the hands of people like Boris and Govo and their cabal. Disperse the Civil Service, and pay your friends for policy advice instead. Put your mates in positions of power and influence. Get rid of the Lords because they are not loyal to the party (£300 per day is cheap, by the way). Rule by decree...
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18/01/2021 11:02:37 24 4
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If you make MPs poorer, we will end up with only the Eton toffs like Johnson and Mogg willing to do it
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18/01/2021 11:24:00 23 4
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I've long said that being an MP is a full time job, and therefore all MPs should be banned from having any other job. If an MPs salary plus expenses isn't enough to live on, then how can they dare to look most of the people in this country in the eye?
Ben
18/01/2021 15:27:34 6 1
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The commons and lords combined cost £560 million for the year in 2018/19. Total spending was £773 billion so the cost was 0.07% of expenditure. Cutting MP's pay would have a negligible effect on finances. In contrast the welfare bill was £222 billion or around 29% of expenditure.
18/01/2021 16:40:02 1 0
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Did that make any sense to you when you were writing it?
18/01/2021 21:37:02 0 1
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No, tax the rich. Not all MPs are rich but taxing the rich will make sure those who are pay their share.
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18/01/2021 10:26:32 15 15
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Why no HYS on Priti Patels missing criminal data?

Has she bullied the bbc into not opening comments?
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xlr
18/01/2021 10:26:53 53 22
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Loads of people will now be on benefits who have never needed to claim it before. Not the easy life the right wing tabloids or the Channel5 poverty p*rn promoted is it?

The Tories let these people down at their absolute peril.
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18/01/2021 11:01:07 40 9
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I'm on benefits for the first time after 38 years working. I get £75 a week as a single mum with a mortgage & achild.

I'm burning through my savings yet I'd rather the government focus on getting the economy back up and running, because that's where the work (and therefore a way out of joblessness) will come from.

I don't expect life to be easy! I'm totally focused on finding a new job.
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18/01/2021 11:24:32 16 4
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No one has a problem with genuine benefit claimants. What people are sick of is long term, lying, work shy skivers who fiddle the system because they are too lazy and dont think they should have to work.
18/01/2021 12:48:48 4 2
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the new ex working people on benfits will be shocked how little you get
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18/01/2021 10:24:32 21 20
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Greedy tories in their country estates 'are there no workhouses?'
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18/01/2021 10:26:59 8 7
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Dickens would turn in his grave.
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18/01/2021 10:36:25 0 5
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Good. He was a loathsome individual.
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18/01/2021 10:27:04 9 16
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Tory MPs would rather abstain than give an extra £20 p/w to millions of people in poverty.

Apparently all they'd do with it would be to buy cigarettes, booze, plasma TVs, smartphones and the like.
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18/01/2021 10:33:07 7 2
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According to RWA's that's ALL "poor people" do.
Their lack of basic humanity and ignorance on the subject is well known.
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18/01/2021 10:48:45 1 3
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Yep that's exactly what they'd do with it. And don't forget the expensive trainers and the kutchie.
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18/01/2021 10:25:18 34 37
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Have you noticed that when a government minister makes a statement there is now a Union Jack in the background. Reminiscent of the National Front Party Political broadcasts in the 1970s which is appropriate given the lurch to the right the Trumpist government has made
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18/01/2021 10:27:14 32 26
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what do you want a French one, stupid comment
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18/01/2021 10:49:16 7 5
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No. I do not want a flag next to the lectern at all. I know where I am. Flag-waving is a symptom of grubby nationalism. Patriots want a better country. Nationalists insist that they have the best one, no matter what.
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18/01/2021 10:27:22 2 5
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Let's hope the vote is positive
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18/01/2021 10:30:36 1 2
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See what you did there clever...
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18/01/2021 10:27:23 809 184
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We can afford to spaf billions on a test and trace system that doesn't work, on ropey contracts to Tory donors for things like ferry companies with no ferries but heaven forbid we give £20 a week to people who really need the help.
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18/01/2021 10:34:56 516 108
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You forgot HS2 and the failed vanity projects of boris as mayor which totaled nearly £1bn
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18/01/2021 10:37:57 16 40
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Seems Germany are struggling with test and trace now, more people died in Germany last month than people in England from Covid
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18/01/2021 10:44:34 35 43
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No one has a problem with giving people who genuinely need the help extra UC, what people are tired of is three generations of the same family who have decided that not working and just pushing out kid after kid is a career. I would rather my taxes go towards supplementing UC for a refugee family whos children want to be productive members of society rather than Chantelle who is on baby number 8
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18/01/2021 11:00:28 26 6
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I agree with you but wont hold my breath, remember this is a party that was arguing against feeding hungry children a few months ago
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18/01/2021 11:12:49 2 8
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The weird thing is that when people get vaccinated, "probably" don't need to test and trace those people any more. But the "experts" just don't know.
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18/01/2021 11:16:20 9 4
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The poverty stricken tend not to vote. There you have it.
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18/01/2021 11:39:14 20 3
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The best way to get money into the economy is to give it to the poor.
They spend it locally. Money for business and banks often ends up abroad.
The problem is much of the money given to the poor supports local shops, but often on foreign sourced goods, or foreign owned firms that don’t pay tax.
Joined up thinking means that all these things have to be reformed by the Government. No one else can.
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18/01/2021 11:55:05 6 4
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The Supermarkets gave back more than this costs. it's a chancellor who does not understand who needs help but benefits his mates. The Ten quid each off your restaurant bill tells us more than anything else. Money spent spreading the Virus.
They seem to have no values other than "We are OK", look after your mates. Benefits are for losers, they can be cut.
18/01/2021 12:34:43 2 5
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£20 should be given to asylum seekers
18/01/2021 13:52:54 2 3
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Why should people who are contributing nothing to the system be given a higher percentage 'pay increase' than the tax paying working class?
18/01/2021 17:11:58 1 0
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Nice to hear your blinkered views...
18/01/2021 18:18:53 1 0
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Nobody spent "billions" on test an dtrace, this was lies spread by the Russia Today YourTube channel and you fell for it. £50 million yes, billions no. No wonder Russia was able to influence the US election! I just realise Brits were as nieive
18/01/2021 18:20:12 1 0
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You've just got a problem with Tories full stop. Have you conveniently forgotten it was the Tories who gave this extra £20 a week, paid for millions to be furloughed, businesses to be saved, street sleepers to be given accommodation all to the tune of over £300b? Your post is complete nonsense.
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18/01/2021 10:25:18 34 37
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Have you noticed that when a government minister makes a statement there is now a Union Jack in the background. Reminiscent of the National Front Party Political broadcasts in the 1970s which is appropriate given the lurch to the right the Trumpist government has made
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18/01/2021 10:27:45 16 16
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This is exactly why people turned away from Labour. Equating our country's flag with the far right wins you no friends at all.
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18/01/2021 10:33:03 3 4
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Nationalist parties will always latch on to the countries flag as they always try and say what they are doing is in the best interest of the country (which it rarely is). But not everyone who uses the flag is a rabid nationalist. The world isn't black and white and only idiots don't see the gray areas everywhere
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18/01/2021 10:33:52 9 5
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I take offence when the extreme right wing parties like our current government misuse our flag. As Dr Johnson once said ‘ Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel’ and you can’t get a bigger bunch than these foreign hating far tight incompetents
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18/01/2021 10:27:52 19 30
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If they stop the extra £20, how are the ‘poor’ expected to pay for their fags and scratch cards?
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18/01/2021 10:29:58 13 5
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You know for a fact thats what the money goes on - dont you... No idea, No solution.
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18/01/2021 10:31:33 3 3
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Total ignorance personified . You should be proud of you lack of basic humanity!!
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18/01/2021 10:31:37 3 2
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Poverty deniers are a real disgrace to this country.
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18/01/2021 11:10:10 1 2
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Stop reading the sun, troll's like you believe everything don't you.
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18/01/2021 10:27:57 15 32
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Good grief, the BBC carefully selects these HYS's to give the Trotski trolls a platform.

Appauling!
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18/01/2021 10:29:21 4 2
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And you fall for it... Appauling.
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18/01/2021 10:49:51 1 1
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'Appauling'...indeed.
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Pip
18/01/2021 10:56:42 2 1
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Utter gibberish.........?
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18/01/2021 10:28:14 47 31
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The money for this has to come from somewhere. And that somewhere is us taxpayers. There has to be a limit at some point and we can't go on increasing the national debt forever.
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18/01/2021 10:37:49 44 12
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The Tories wasted £12billion of taxpayers money given to private companies on a failed Track and Trace system?
Do you realise how much money that is? Colossal
Tories are happy to hand out our money to their mates who’ve probably stashed it into offshore accounts to deny Britain much needed tax revenue. This £20 would be spent in Britain helping British companies ... Boris is a Major Disaster...
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18/01/2021 10:43:41 7 5
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I'll happily pay from my taxes to support a functional society. After all, that's exactly what your taxes are supposed to pay for. But, hey, you're alright (for now - worst recession in 300 years) and that's all that counts right?

Imagine giving a couple of pennies more on your taxes to try and build a fair and equal country? Madness right?

Honestly, the state of people in this country...
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18/01/2021 10:45:33 4 3
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Nice to see a sensible non-political comment on here. Thank you!
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18/01/2021 10:56:51 11 3
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so as a tax payer im not happy to subsidize mps lunches or drinks in the bar with all the money they earn and the expences they can claim , to an mp £20 is nothing to those on minimum wages it means a lot !
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18/01/2021 11:39:18 3 4
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Tell the Tories. They .ore than doubled it since being in power, despite austerity.
And before covid.
18/01/2021 12:46:33 0 3
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money from some where? yeah you just print it ...thats how it works at gov level
18/01/2021 13:26:24 1 3
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If you don't like the national deficit you must surely despise the tories?
18/01/2021 13:41:23 1 3
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Money always has to come from somewhere, but this is a clear ideological choice.

Benefits sanctions cost more to administer than they save, but they won't be going.

Look at all the money that has been wasted by this government on failed PPE, etc, through contracts that have gone to friends and family - that is cronyism, and again a choice.
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18/01/2021 10:28:14 43 26
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In order for Boris to change course on this he would need things like basic human decency, compassion, competence and a care for the people he is supposedly governing. Not only is Boris totally devoid of any of that - he demonstrably sneers at the average person within the UK.

When is enough going to be enough in this country? We have 100,000+ dead now. "Ooh, but doesn't he have funny hair?"
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18/01/2021 10:53:24 11 32
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He is proving to be one of the best PMs in my 70 years.
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18/01/2021 10:48:51 7 11
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A cheap shot blaming BJ for a pandemic.
18/01/2021 12:50:32 3 2
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Boris has never lived in poverty. i doubt Boris has friends from council estates so how would he know
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18/01/2021 10:28:23 7 18
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Why change course? Disabled benefits have been hacked for years, and nobody banged a triangle.
Many of those suffering universal credit cuts voted for the Tories. I'm alright Jack is fine until they become Jack.
Let them eat cake.
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18/01/2021 10:30:29 10 2
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You sound nice, kids up chimneys next?
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18/01/2021 10:39:28 4 2
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Is that you Jacob? Maybe you could tell the fishermen whose livelihoods are at risk what the benefits of your idiotic Brexit are now. Oh, and fish don’t have a nationality either.
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18/01/2021 11:18:45 1 1
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i have to say i agree with that comment...i know many NHS staff that voted tory.
turkeys voting for xmas
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18/01/2021 10:28:48 21 23
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This UC was an additional amount of emergency money, £3 Billion to help those who may have difficulty during the pandemic it was not an increase permanently it is and was EMERGENCY money. On top of FREE meals, FREE Computers and £2 billion of additional money for the welfare system its not as if the government has turned a blind eye. Labour are trying to fool people and being dishonest.
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18/01/2021 10:33:36 6 5
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And what about those claiming furlough but continue working cash in hand Hmmmm????
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18/01/2021 10:34:45 4 2
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Tosh
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Pip
18/01/2021 10:54:17 3 3
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Pales into insignificance when campared to £22b given to Tory donors for apparently no reason whatsoever. Let's see if the Tories can Track and Trace that, as your talking about dishonesty and fooling people...........?
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18/01/2021 10:47:51 2 4
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Labour, the party of free everything paid for until the pot runs dry. The party that cripples industries and earners that support our welfare system until they do not function properly.
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jon
18/01/2021 10:29:10 2 22
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Maybe keep the benefit and cut free school meals. Let parents decide what food to buy.

It’s far more important to bail out Eurostar. It’s the green route to the continent.
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18/01/2021 10:27:57 15 32
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Good grief, the BBC carefully selects these HYS's to give the Trotski trolls a platform.

Appauling!
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18/01/2021 10:29:21 4 2
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And you fall for it... Appauling.
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18/01/2021 10:29:47 7 6
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No good deed goes unpunished.
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MVP
18/01/2021 10:29:47 80 52
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£20 per week is a small price to pay to ensure that families get basic food and are kept warm

Only a cruel government would want to take this away, particularly given the current situation
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18/01/2021 10:33:21 93 82
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Who says it is being taken away - except opportunist Starmer? It is there for another 10 weeks - plenty of time for it to be reviewed and a decision taken abut extension or alternative provision when more info is available.
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18/01/2021 10:33:54 6 4
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Do you see the problem here......
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18/01/2021 11:00:06 14 11
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Not disagreeing with the sentiment, but this post highlights the problem with perception. The £20 was a temporary "bonus" for want of a better word, so it's not really a "cut" as is being bandied around - it is a return to where we would be in normal times.

If you had to make a choice - UC to keep the £20 bonus, or it goes to NHS workers, which would you choose?
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18/01/2021 11:16:10 15 14
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So families that have been on benefits their entire life (i.e. left school at 16 and started popping kids out, have never had a job) get an extra 20 a week for no change in their circumstances but key workers like supermarket staff, police, NHS etc will not get any extra money the only thing they will get is taxed heavily next year in order to pay back all the money spent on coronavirus.
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18/01/2021 11:28:40 3 2
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When do you start to hand over your extra £20/week in taxes? Now, or are you hoping for a long deferment?
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18/01/2021 11:54:40 5 4
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No one should go hungry or be cold, but it doesn't matter how much money you throw at people if they are irresponsible. Some people think that a £40 mobile contract is a bigger necessity than feeding their kids. You could give some families £1000 a week, they would still want more, yes the benefit payments in general are too low, but they were under Labour as well.
18/01/2021 12:43:54 2 2
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its just the new people made jobless due to pandemic are shocked how little you get on benefits
18/01/2021 14:05:21 2 0
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When will the taxpayer (who is funding this) get a similar, generous increase in pay?
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18/01/2021 10:29:53 509 163
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This is the PM who said no child should go hungry but voted against extending FSM into school holidays, aaaahhhh
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18/01/2021 10:44:30 451 279
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It wouldn't be a school meal in the school holidays. Why are the parents not providing?
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18/01/2021 10:52:21 77 35
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But he has also.increased grants to councils to pay for these meals.
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18/01/2021 11:00:17 80 35
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The councils had the money to provide those meals ask them what have they spent it on?
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18/01/2021 11:32:33 18 2
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But the government increased the universal credit to ensure the money was received direct rather than those families source it elsewhere taking pressure off local authorities. Conveniently this part is missed off most posts. This is welcome news for a lot of families. There are still a percentage where that money isnt being transferred to the children. It is this area where the focus should be.
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18/01/2021 11:36:28 6 4
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Many informal carers are reliant on food banks too.
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18/01/2021 12:12:44 14 3
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Never until last Easter have FSM ever been given in School Holidays or at half terms.It was a mistake that originally was not going to carried on for the Summer but then it was changed.The Government have put record sums into this and the whole system needs to be reviewed which I am sure it will
18/01/2021 12:18:41 19 8
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Parents had a free £20 a week. More than enough on its own to feed a child and then some. Media shambles game playing pathetic emoting public showing off.
18/01/2021 12:35:18 3 3
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PM parents paid for hi meals at Eton ..30k a year
18/01/2021 12:35:52 2 4
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PM parents paid for his meals at Eton..30k a year...if his parents you all should be able to
18/01/2021 12:55:25 14 7
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Sorry, but when did it become national policy to have kids and then hand them over to the government for feeding?
18/01/2021 13:08:06 4 4
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And who can forget the photos of those paltry "meals" supplied to children just days ago?
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18/01/2021 10:27:52 19 30
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If they stop the extra £20, how are the ‘poor’ expected to pay for their fags and scratch cards?
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18/01/2021 10:29:58 13 5
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You know for a fact thats what the money goes on - dont you... No idea, No solution.
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18/01/2021 10:47:09 2 2
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Go stand at Tesco customer services and you'll see it every day.
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18/01/2021 10:49:49 2 2
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Look in any shop that sells scratch cards and fags.
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18/01/2021 10:30:00 14 28
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Captain Hindsight at Labour another useless mission
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18/01/2021 10:34:17 13 8
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Useless? Tell that to the extra 4 million children living in poverty and destitution. Over the last decade homelessness deprivation malnutrition and Foodbanks have increased massively and working families are struggling. Wages stagnated.
Yet the most wealthy have DOUBLED their wealth
We are being led by ‘Major Disaster’ an incompetent lazy cheating racist pathological liar. And a traitor
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18/01/2021 10:47:29 2 1
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Except Tory MPs from the North are saying the same. How does that fit with your prejudice?
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18/01/2021 10:30:09 8 27
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Why are HYS only Labour propoganda today?
There is great news about vaccinations and no where to comment.
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18/01/2021 10:30:16 11 22
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It was introduced as a temporary measure and should be.
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18/01/2021 10:41:09 6 2
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So was income tax in 1842.
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18/01/2021 10:28:23 7 18
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Why change course? Disabled benefits have been hacked for years, and nobody banged a triangle.
Many of those suffering universal credit cuts voted for the Tories. I'm alright Jack is fine until they become Jack.
Let them eat cake.
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18/01/2021 10:30:29 10 2
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You sound nice, kids up chimneys next?
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18/01/2021 10:27:22 2 5
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Let's hope the vote is positive
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18/01/2021 10:30:36 1 2
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See what you did there clever...
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18/01/2021 10:30:39 231 110
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Utterly disgraceful that so many working families are relying on a measly £20 per week to survive. The Tories have been in power for a decade and have created a bigger divide. The poor are poorer and the rich are richer, and it’s all deliberate. They spaffed £12billion of taxpayers money giving it to private companies on a failed Track & Trace system and handed £millions to their mates
Pure evil
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18/01/2021 10:36:09 106 23
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£22 billion in fact.
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18/01/2021 10:36:29 19 20
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What is "pure evil" is your stupid political comment. Working families are not "relying on £20 per week to survive". Try sense checking what you are posting before you hit the keyboard.
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18/01/2021 10:36:34 21 9
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You do realise the £20 per week was on top of the amount of universal Credit they were already being paid ?
I would continue it for at least another year or until we are back to the unemployment rate pre Pandemic which was historically low.
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18/01/2021 10:52:46 26 4
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No-one is relying on £20 a week to survive. It is an extra £20 a week
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18/01/2021 10:54:03 11 9
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Surely, the government should raise the minimum wage to at least £10 an hour to help hard-working people out of poverty
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18/01/2021 11:07:53 6 8
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They bought the vaccines unlike the EU .
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18/01/2021 11:12:51 5 4
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Don't forget the ludicrous costs of HS2 which only in the last few days they have again refused to cancel, and before anyone blames that on the Tories, it was started under Labour. They are as bad as each other.
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18/01/2021 11:20:57 4 2
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If £20 a week is so critical to working families, then something badly wrong with our society has been there for ages, and the pandemic is making it worse.

Contrasted with the aforementioned spaffing, how can the Tories feel at all comfortable with this??

Because they are so cut off from reality.
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18/01/2021 11:44:49 3 5
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Pure evil left wing claptrap from a bitter pure evil ignoramus.
18/01/2021 12:17:43 4 2
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This was an extra amount that they gave on top please get your facts right
18/01/2021 12:40:39 0 4
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North and South divide in England
18/01/2021 13:41:18 1 1
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The Conservative Party should be deemed to be an illegal organisation and banned indefinitely!
18/01/2021 16:16:08 3 0
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They are not relying on £20 per week. This is a top up to existing benefits to help them cope with the pandemic.
18/01/2021 16:19:23 2 0
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How much would you pay benefit claimants, since you are clearly such a benevolent person?
18/01/2021 17:15:22 1 0
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Hilarious rant - thank you!
18/01/2021 23:24:34 1 0
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I think your getting confused with the additional £20 on universal credit which was introduced because of the original lockdown.
18/01/2021 23:46:56 0 1
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Criminal.
18/01/2021 23:53:54 1 0
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Yes your right there all in the labour party, the riches party by a long way Guardian news paper reported.The mouth piece for the labour party,FOR THE FEW NOT THE MANY remember
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18/01/2021 10:31:10 21 21
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I'm no Tory, nor am I wealthy, but I am sick & tired of the constant clamour for handouts. The responsibility for feeding kids rests with parents. If they don't want that responsibility, then don't have kids. It's as simple as that. There are some people who are genuinely in need for various reasons. No problem supporting them but there are also a lot of dependency culture parasites.
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18/01/2021 10:33:48 15 5
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But lockdown has taken many jobs and the ability to pay

In fact it’s taken millions of jobs and entire industries

But I suppose you’re alright so it’s fine
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18/01/2021 10:39:42 2 2
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Quit whining and support your fellow countrymen and women during a national crisis.

But mainly - quit whining.
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18/01/2021 10:42:13 2 2
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Sorry, you are quite wrong. If £20 a week truly makes so much difference to a working family, then there is something badly wrong with our society.

Especially when such enormous sums are going elsewhere, as highlighted here in other posts.
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18/01/2021 10:42:24 4 2
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I have observed from past personal experience that there are two types of benefit claimants.
Firstly those who normally work but suddenly find themselves on hard times. Though a safety net the system is confusing. They don’t know what they have to do and often have long waits.
Then there are those who have always milked the system for all it’s worth. They know every loophole.
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18/01/2021 10:46:37 2 2
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Not a Tory, just 'Keeping up Appearances'............?
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18/01/2021 10:31:12 617 120
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The Cons are quite happy for a business consultant to trouser £21m for brokering a deal with a Miami jewellery designer to receive £250m of contracts for PPE to the NHS, but will abstain on this
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Typical Tory policy
To the greedy rich give them more
To the poor and needy - starve them into action.

Why expect more from the 'poshboys' who will simply lie in order to keep money flowing in their direction.
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18/01/2021 11:59:36 24 5
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u know that figure that the richest have seen their £billions wealth increase by 20%?

doesn't come from nowhere, you know.
If only those on UC had made significant donations to the poshboy Tories then they too could have been given well paid jobs that they were clearly not cable of doing or lucrative contracts for PPE that didn't meet standards or contracts for non-existant ferries.

The Tories are utterly corrupt and we can do nothing about it!
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xlr
18/01/2021 13:08:26 18 7
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What can you expect from a political creed some of whom genuinely think that homeless people could save £5k for a home deposit?

People who've worked 20+ years up until the pandemic will start getting a telling off from them and their forelock-tuggers that they shouldn't have had kids they couldn't afford.
18/01/2021 13:42:49 3 5
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"but will abstain on this"

Of course - it's an opposition day debate. It means nothing whether it's voted on or not. I would rather my MP did some Ministerial or Constituency work than vote on inconsequential debates
18/01/2021 13:46:29 5 6
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You still lost the referendum and General Election for good reason.
19/01/2021 01:03:07 2 0
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And lab thought it would be a good idea to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. Think how much that cost us ;)
19/01/2021 21:56:09 0 0
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criminal enterprise
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18/01/2021 10:27:52 19 30
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If they stop the extra £20, how are the ‘poor’ expected to pay for their fags and scratch cards?
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18/01/2021 10:31:33 3 3
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Total ignorance personified . You should be proud of you lack of basic humanity!!
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18/01/2021 10:27:52 19 30
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If they stop the extra £20, how are the ‘poor’ expected to pay for their fags and scratch cards?
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18/01/2021 10:31:37 3 2
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Poverty deniers are a real disgrace to this country.
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18/01/2021 10:31:49 9 6
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Temporary often becomes permanent in the political world.
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18/01/2021 11:37:31 1 1
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Yes, like income tax - to pay for the Peninsula War, which as far as I am aware, is over. Income tax isn't though, is it?
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18/01/2021 10:31:54 110 67
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Government dithering over lockdown and mishandling of Brexit has resulted in many people losing their jobs in the last year.

The last thing they now need is for the government to punish them further by reducing benefits
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18/01/2021 10:40:39 110 108
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You actually believe Starmer would have had better insight than that given to the government by the experts? I am not including his amazing powers of hindsight btw.
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18/01/2021 11:13:33 10 12
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the £20 extra payment was only supposed to be temporary.
18/01/2021 12:19:12 8 21
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What rubbish you write .You seem to be one of Mr Hindsight and his crews foot soldiers.
will be alot drug dealing to make extra money Removed
18/01/2021 14:12:56 2 6
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Don't forget all the hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans who are receiving the equivalent to £200 per week child benefit in their home countries . Obviously you dont mind this being paid out ?
18/01/2021 17:06:19 3 5
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Come on Starmer, we know it's you. Try being supportive for a change and stop political point scoring.
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18/01/2021 10:22:30 386 162
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Universal credit was designed to punish people who became unemployed and was never set at a decent level.
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18/01/2021 10:31:59 564 28
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I've just become unemployed at the age of 54 for the first time in my life. It's impossible to navigate the benefit system and they make it almost impossible to claim anything. Really hacks me off considering the amount of tax & NI I have paid all these years.
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18/01/2021 11:00:23 70 4
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I had a similar experience. I wasn't entitled to any benefit, but had to claim anyway in order to receive redundancy pay as my employer was insolvent.

I found the application process bewildering, infuruating and irrational.

I have no idea how less educated/organised people would be able to cope with that process.
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18/01/2021 11:02:10 91 13
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Quite agree! Im 59 and became ill about 12 months ago and had to stop working. The system was painful to navigate and the disgustingly low amount only makes me iller. To live on £400 / month is cruel, but to reverse the increase and expect people to live on £300 / month is beyond outrageous! And that's what the Government will be asking people to do! To live on £300 / month! You do it, Boris!
18/01/2021 12:24:29 5 2
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Don’t worry they send you on a computer ?? course good luck
18/01/2021 13:23:26 4 2
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If you feel it's impossible now, consider how worse it has been in my experience i.e. the past thirty years.
18/01/2021 13:26:16 5 17
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If you are unemployed for the first time in your life at 54, why do you need benefits?

The state should not have to pay for you while you seek work, you should use your savings or the payout from your private employment insurance.

Good luck finding a new job soon. Hope the vaccine effect creates a lot of opportunities.
18/01/2021 14:04:11 4 5
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Same here, wish I hadnt wasted my life being responsible, I should have left school and held out my begging bowl
18/01/2021 14:05:56 4 2
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I have every sympathy with you . Many years ago I had to sign on and it was a nightmare . It seems that you have to learn all the tricks to play the system in order to get money. But persevere and get in the system and good luck. BTW the job centre ( if it still exists ) have some remarkably good jobs on their books.
18/01/2021 14:16:00 10 2
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The benefit system is to help people like yourself who have unfortunately fallen on hard times. However, it is heavily abused by those not wanting to work, having children they cannot afford to have and the like. Hence why it is a minefield to navigate.
18/01/2021 14:32:24 8 3
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Deltic you have summed up everything that is wrong with the benefits system..im 60 this year and had to claim universal credit last year when my terminal ill wife passed away,,i have paid plenty of tax in my life and now im struggling on the pittence u/c actually is..you get near enough the same as some idler whos never worked ever since leaving school..
18/01/2021 15:43:25 0 6
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A friend of mine claimed for the first time in his life - he's 57. It was a pretty simple online process and hey presto he got the free £800 for his rent paid and the free £425 cash for bills and the boozer.
18/01/2021 16:25:37 1 2
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Know the feeling , if you don't know the ropes you get nowt , once you're experienced you will be quids in , ask the ones who don't want to work and there is plenty of them , not worth looking for a job benefits to great and before anyone takes the huff I know some
18/01/2021 16:49:58 1 1
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A lot of people find that. But if you are already entrenched in the benefits system, you can live quite a comfortable life if you know what is available!
18/01/2021 18:06:34 1 0
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In my final years before retirement my biggest fear was exactly what you are going through. I hope you get sorted. people with your experience are too good to lose.
18/01/2021 20:30:06 1 1
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But if you look at the free services you have access to then, a different picture. NHS, Dr & Dentist. Just to name a few.
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18/01/2021 10:32:06 16 11
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Johnson will change course. He always does.
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18/01/2021 10:53:37 3 2
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And that makes this whole thing so stupid. The problem is, it's far easier to give than to take away, so why not just extend it? Same with free school meals during holidays. Whether you agree with extending or not, they will end up carrying it on through most of this year as a minimum, so why not just annouce it now and regain some credibility?
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18/01/2021 10:32:08 322 111
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The government Eton tribe have never known poverty have no understanding of it nor any empathy.
That's why they couldn't give a damn
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18/01/2021 11:05:43 132 47
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If the poor are out of sight they are out of mind
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18/01/2021 12:01:06 3 4
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it is concerning that 33% of people downvoted this

but it is the BBC. 33% of voters are under 60
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18/01/2021 12:01:35 2 2
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[as in, the over 60's downvoted you]
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18/01/2021 12:15:04 5 18
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What rubbish you write the Government over the last year have done a fantastic job in making sure the vulnerable are protected.Think you should go out and see
18/01/2021 12:39:04 8 2
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average British person cannot not afford Eton
18/01/2021 13:02:36 6 2
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Why then to so many poor people vote for them? I take your point however.
18/01/2021 14:26:21 12 2
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It's not that they don't care - it's a Conservative value to keep the poor, poor. Keep them in fear and doubt of losing what little income they have, and keep them in debt. Because a top-down society requires slaves.
18/01/2021 14:25:34 9 2
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The sight of those hungry children is distressing to the average Tory. Same as the homeless.
So we await Patel bringing forward legislation to make it an offence for them to be seen in the street.
Yes, we should have voted for Corbyn. Communist leaders produce the fairest societies, don't they? Removed
18/01/2021 17:13:36 0 1
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Well said, Trotsy!
18/01/2021 23:40:54 2 1
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Labour the riches party by far GUARDIAN PAPER,you need four pairs of hands and more to count there millionaires,sainsbury supermarket is one of them, read the data before making statements,misinformation again by.At least Johnson is not a millionaire like Starmer
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18/01/2021 10:25:18 34 37
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Have you noticed that when a government minister makes a statement there is now a Union Jack in the background. Reminiscent of the National Front Party Political broadcasts in the 1970s which is appropriate given the lurch to the right the Trumpist government has made
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18/01/2021 10:32:29 4 3
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Yep - annoying it may be, but hey they have little real identity left so its hard to know who they are, what they stand for so the flag is there to at least identify what country they are from.
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18/01/2021 10:26:25 327 60
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Tax MPs heavily , 2nd 3rd 4th jobs, cut massively Lords expenses , 300 quid tax free in their arse pocket for turning up for a nap
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18/01/2021 10:32:50 225 46
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MPs should not be salaried if they have another generous source of income. They are there to serve their constituents and there country. Being an MP is a privilege they volunteer to do. Sadly it’s become the most lucrative of temporary jobs.
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18/01/2021 10:59:24 2 21
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And who's going to pick up the £25,000 TAX deficit for every MP's salary you take away? Be careful what you wish for.
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18/01/2021 11:04:08 21 6
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No MP should be allowed to have any other job or income

Follow USA and force all public office to put in a blind trust fund

And all govt contracts must be multi person reviewed
Oops was until covid then govt forced civil service to stop looking
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18/01/2021 11:07:02 4 7
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Not too temporary for some.
That is likely to change in 4 years.
Hopefully.
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18/01/2021 11:12:26 14 6
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Interesting point. Another alternative would be that they're paid at the averaged rate they were on for the year prior to becoming an MP, and the pension and other benefits based on what they were already receiving carried over. Expenses of course should only be paid against itemised receipts and invoices - in other words the same way most expenses are managed.
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18/01/2021 11:14:27 17 7
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MPs are already paid less well than senior salaries in industry or public sector.

Your policy is discriminatory. It also risks alienating many well educated, competent and committed candidates simply because their spouse earns a decent salary. How does that help?

Plus any decent accountant can make a "generous income' disappear.
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18/01/2021 12:15:41 7 6
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What rubbish you write
18/01/2021 13:38:42 11 1
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Did you know that until 1832, MP's did not receive a salary? The end result was that only the super rich did it and you had a system where it was government by the rich for the rich. It might be unpopular with the public, but if you want MP's who are more representative of the public, the salary needs to be competitive with other roles that have long hours and intense scrutiny.
18/01/2021 13:40:52 5 1
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Also,no qualifications whatsoever needed to become an m.p.
Become a nurse or police officer--you now need a degree thanks to teflon tony.
18/01/2021 13:43:02 0 3
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As if someone is going to fo a job for nothing. Being an MP in most cases is their only job.
TC
18/01/2021 13:49:17 0 4
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If you read teh Magna Carta our supreme law made by the peopel and contracted to witht eh Crown. Parlaiment is ONLY suposed to meet when the people want it to, to sort out a problem for there benefit. Not business as it does not vote.
18/01/2021 14:22:01 8 0
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MP's need paying. By only allowing the wealthy privileged to sit in the house of commons you're turning the clock back over 100 years and putting more control in the hands of the rich. Declaration of other income, tax returns, conflicting interests and relinquishing other posts whilst an MP needs to be a requirement.
SJ
18/01/2021 18:19:12 1 1
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Absolutely. MPs shoukd have no outside jobs and should have term limits.
19/01/2021 22:23:26 0 0
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I feel it should be the reverse, they are well paid and with the allowances are significantly better off than the majority of the population. They should not be able to have any other salaried positions, take directorships or anything like that. Most are so disconnected from reality they probably believe Ethics is a county in England.
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18/01/2021 10:27:45 16 16
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This is exactly why people turned away from Labour. Equating our country's flag with the far right wins you no friends at all.
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18/01/2021 10:33:03 3 4
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Nationalist parties will always latch on to the countries flag as they always try and say what they are doing is in the best interest of the country (which it rarely is). But not everyone who uses the flag is a rabid nationalist. The world isn't black and white and only idiots don't see the gray areas everywhere
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18/01/2021 10:33:05 13 13
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Whatever we pay out now......

...EVERYBODY....has to understand WE WILL ALL WILL HAVE TO PAY IT BACK ......with higher taxes for the next few years

Get ready....NO MOANING , WHINGEING...

Like the Dodo...the 'Money Tree is extinct.
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18/01/2021 10:27:04 9 16
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Tory MPs would rather abstain than give an extra £20 p/w to millions of people in poverty.

Apparently all they'd do with it would be to buy cigarettes, booze, plasma TVs, smartphones and the like.
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18/01/2021 10:33:07 7 2
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According to RWA's that's ALL "poor people" do.
Their lack of basic humanity and ignorance on the subject is well known.
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18/01/2021 10:33:15 30 20
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Boris.... the spinning clown....honk honk. He will tell his policy just as soon as somebody pours this bucket of water down his trousers and eveyone laughs. honk honk.
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MVP
18/01/2021 10:29:47 80 52
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£20 per week is a small price to pay to ensure that families get basic food and are kept warm

Only a cruel government would want to take this away, particularly given the current situation
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18/01/2021 10:33:21 93 82
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Who says it is being taken away - except opportunist Starmer? It is there for another 10 weeks - plenty of time for it to be reviewed and a decision taken abut extension or alternative provision when more info is available.
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18/01/2021 10:45:38 12 22
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Starmer has no real policies and tries to pre-guess what the government will do so that it looks like his idea.
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18/01/2021 11:01:01 12 8
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It's a little like furlough ending and then restarting. It's a little like businesses having to close due to lockdown with no notice. Sir Keir is trying to allow the disadvantaged to have some certainty instead of worrying (even more) for the next few months.
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18/01/2021 11:05:11 7 5
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The government has already mentioned taking it away in April
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18/01/2021 11:12:46 7 5
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see this article on BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55106028
The government did not include the £20 in the spending review -beyond the planned April 2021 removal --strongly suggesting removal. Hence the issue needs to be raised and discussed in parliament now. That's what parliament is for.
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18/01/2021 12:04:08 1 3
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You've just said it's being taken away. Why not give a feeling of security instead of changing their mind again the day before it stops.
18/01/2021 12:20:56 1 1
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Good comment as it is common sense
18/01/2021 13:51:58 0 1
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Another example of ignorance.
Basic humanity obviously not a strong point either.
18/01/2021 16:07:14 0 1
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Tory Track record would suggest that it is likely to be removed
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18/01/2021 10:28:48 21 23
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This UC was an additional amount of emergency money, £3 Billion to help those who may have difficulty during the pandemic it was not an increase permanently it is and was EMERGENCY money. On top of FREE meals, FREE Computers and £2 billion of additional money for the welfare system its not as if the government has turned a blind eye. Labour are trying to fool people and being dishonest.
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18/01/2021 10:33:36 6 5
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And what about those claiming furlough but continue working cash in hand Hmmmm????
56
18/01/2021 10:33:48 12 18
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Tory voters would happily deny the poor a Covid jab but then they wouldn't meet their world-beating, jingoistic vaccination target.
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18/01/2021 10:31:10 21 21
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I'm no Tory, nor am I wealthy, but I am sick & tired of the constant clamour for handouts. The responsibility for feeding kids rests with parents. If they don't want that responsibility, then don't have kids. It's as simple as that. There are some people who are genuinely in need for various reasons. No problem supporting them but there are also a lot of dependency culture parasites.
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18/01/2021 10:33:48 15 5
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But lockdown has taken many jobs and the ability to pay

In fact it’s taken millions of jobs and entire industries

But I suppose you’re alright so it’s fine
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18/01/2021 10:42:40 3 3
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Then you may need UC but what increased costs did the already unemployed have that necessitated the extra £20 in the first place?
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18/01/2021 10:27:45 16 16
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This is exactly why people turned away from Labour. Equating our country's flag with the far right wins you no friends at all.
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18/01/2021 10:33:52 9 5
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I take offence when the extreme right wing parties like our current government misuse our flag. As Dr Johnson once said ‘ Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel’ and you can’t get a bigger bunch than these foreign hating far tight incompetents
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MVP
18/01/2021 10:29:47 80 52
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£20 per week is a small price to pay to ensure that families get basic food and are kept warm

Only a cruel government would want to take this away, particularly given the current situation
59
18/01/2021 10:33:54 6 4
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Do you see the problem here......
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18/01/2021 11:39:29 0 3
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Nope. Please explain.
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18/01/2021 10:34:12 17 24
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All temporary Covid measures need rolling back. We are in the financial poo. Shame on Labour playing silly sods on such a serious issue.
994
18/01/2021 12:16:03 1 2
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You're the same Red Neck that complained (this HYS) of partisan political sniping.

Who argues with themselves?
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18/01/2021 10:30:00 14 28
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Captain Hindsight at Labour another useless mission
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18/01/2021 10:34:17 13 8
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Useless? Tell that to the extra 4 million children living in poverty and destitution. Over the last decade homelessness deprivation malnutrition and Foodbanks have increased massively and working families are struggling. Wages stagnated.
Yet the most wealthy have DOUBLED their wealth
We are being led by ‘Major Disaster’ an incompetent lazy cheating racist pathological liar. And a traitor
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18/01/2021 10:34:34 10 8
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I'd rather the chancellor took a calm fact-based at the economics when Covid is under control, and balanced social needs beside the needs of the NHS, and everything else we expect of public funds.

Getting the economy back on track and getting people back into work, may be the most effective & fastest way to lift people out of poverty.
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18/01/2021 11:00:56 1 2
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Unfortunately, we don't have a government capable of that, even in normal times.
They " best deal ever" is destructive enough on its own.
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18/01/2021 10:28:48 21 23
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This UC was an additional amount of emergency money, £3 Billion to help those who may have difficulty during the pandemic it was not an increase permanently it is and was EMERGENCY money. On top of FREE meals, FREE Computers and £2 billion of additional money for the welfare system its not as if the government has turned a blind eye. Labour are trying to fool people and being dishonest.
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18/01/2021 10:34:45 4 2
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Tosh
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MVP
18/01/2021 10:34:46 431 166
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Attacking the most vulnerable people in society by reducing benefits at a time like this does not reflect well on this government.

Those responsible for this policy should be ashamed of themselves
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18/01/2021 10:53:42 229 144
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Yes but you're forgetting that, according to the people responsible for this policy, being in the EU was to blame for every poor person being poor. Hence no reason for them to feel any shame whatsoever. And no need to give people £20 per week, because they're all going to start up businesses selling Great British products to the world, as part of Global Britain.
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18/01/2021 11:13:18 22 34
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Who has said benefits are going to be reduced?

This is Labour playing politics, and you are falling for it hook, line and sinker.
725
18/01/2021 11:49:09 24 16
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The benefits are not being reduced. They are reverting back to what they were pre-pandemic. Pretty sure that the chancellor will address this in the next budget. I’m also pretty sure my taxes and NI will also increase to pay for all of this and social care and paying back the borrowing, making me worse off each month. Difference is that I can’t do anything about my annual decrease in take home
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meh
18/01/2021 11:50:37 8 20
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Agreed MVP. Lets increase benefits so each person gets a £1million extra a week per person.
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18/01/2021 12:00:11 9 9
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shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

theyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

donnnnnnnnnnnttttttttttttttttttttt

caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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18/01/2021 12:13:23 7 5
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They have not cut anything yet
18/01/2021 12:18:01 9 5
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I'm confused, as I've already said benefits are too low, but were under Labour too. But if I give you a £1000 for free this year, and then don't give you it next year are you going to accuse me of giving you a pay cut?
18/01/2021 12:36:43 4 8
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most Tory voters are rich though ..so they wont be losing votes if they don't
fos
18/01/2021 14:15:16 3 2
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Hardly a fair reflection of the fact that the benefits in question ie an extra £20 a week were introduced just a year ago to help the most vulnerable.Labours opposition day debate is simply mudslinging the government haven’t announced any policy for next year this opposition day debate is politically inspired rubbish
18/01/2021 15:47:32 5 0
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No one is reducing benefits - the £20/week in a Covid support package. Get your facts right or stop playing games.
18/01/2021 16:21:04 3 0
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Benefits have not Been reduced they have been increased , this was extra 80 quid a month keep it a bit longer
18/01/2021 22:34:39 0 1
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Tories gonna Tory I'm afraid...
19/01/2021 08:13:29 1 0
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Fact check, this would NOT be a reduction in benefit as it is already an increase in standard rates. If the beneficiaries are already unemployed and receiving benefits then their circumstances have NOT materially changed have they. You can't furlough an unemployed person. I have sympathy for unemployed but as I say, what's changed for them??
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18/01/2021 10:27:23 809 184
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We can afford to spaf billions on a test and trace system that doesn't work, on ropey contracts to Tory donors for things like ferry companies with no ferries but heaven forbid we give £20 a week to people who really need the help.
65
18/01/2021 10:34:56 516 108
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You forgot HS2 and the failed vanity projects of boris as mayor which totaled nearly £1bn
108
18/01/2021 10:42:29 54 13
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..and the £900k that Bojo spent repainting his private jet red white and blue that he can't use now.
359
18/01/2021 11:06:06 13 42
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HS2 is not a vanity project, it is part of a much needed and long overdue modernisation of the East coast Main line. But you clearly don't understand that do you?
360
18/01/2021 11:06:30 22 7
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Every single person living in the Uk could've been given approximately £800 with the money spent on HS2.
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18/01/2021 11:13:14 7 17
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Would that be the 'New Labour' HS2 project, perchance?
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18/01/2021 11:39:32 0 3
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??
18/01/2021 13:27:45 3 2
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Yes, don't forget the Garden Bridge.
What did that cost, to not be?
Hopefully travel restrictions will be over by the time HS2 is finished, when this is all over.
Just 50 years or so.
18/01/2021 14:00:46 2 1
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Touché, i agree with your outrage my friend so here is a little more information for you. 2010 HS2 was priced at £20 billion, 2015 £78 billion and it now stands at roughly £110 billion, Covid or not, it hasn't stopped Boris moving forward with this promoting it or trying to sell it again to us at 500% the original cost, Boris is owned by Big Business like 90% of UK MP's.
18/01/2021 16:46:16 0 2
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Sorry HS2 s needed to connect the country. stop mixing issues. CROSSRAIL????? LETS MAKE LONDON EVEN BIGGER. ROLLED ON BREXIT
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18/01/2021 10:35:20 14 15
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Easy to be generous with other peoples cash.

If it was OK before covid, why should it be any different once the pandemic is over.
87
18/01/2021 10:38:34 12 8
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So you think people should starve ?

What a nice person you aren't.
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18/01/2021 10:58:15 1 2
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We had millions in working poverty before covid, including many hundreds of thousands of children.
Covid, ( and brexit) exacerbate that.
£1k pa per family in UC, £ 16bn.
Brexit is costing more than that, PPE errors cost more than the £16 bn required to help those struggling. Much more has been 'gifted" to friends of the Tories on contracts without tender.
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18/01/2021 10:35:40 255 91
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The measure of a civilised society is that the weak, needy and vulnerable are protected. This government, and its defenders on here, show that we are not a civilised society.
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18/01/2021 10:37:21 207 204
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Why are we giving somebody and extra £20 if their costs have not increased or even suffered a reduction in income as many in work?
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18/01/2021 11:17:33 25 13
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Not everyone on UC is weak, needy and vulnerable.
18/01/2021 12:39:34 3 4
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tory supporters are toffs
18/01/2021 14:07:29 2 0
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ALL governments are the same . The Labour Party may have started the welfare state but Tony Blair started the sell off
18/01/2021 16:17:41 1 0
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It is easy to be civilised with someone else's money.
18/01/2021 21:05:53 0 0
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Correct, how may on benefits have ignored covid rules and have blood on their hands. Very uncivilised.
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18/01/2021 10:35:49 192 48
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£22 Billion down the drain on a failed test and trace system (some have benefited perhaps), yet they can’t see the false economy of this approach.
Cutting down on poverty and simultaneously putting money into local economies can only be good for national finances, but short term thinking and cronyism again prove to be obstacles.
It’s all got a bit too predictable now.
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Pip
18/01/2021 10:41:48 153 35
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I'd suggest much of the £22B is probably in the Cayman Islands as we speak, and you're right, some have benefitted, but most of us haven't............?
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18/01/2021 11:09:28 6 11
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Tell me how they are getting on in the EU with their vaccinations. So many remoaning ,hindsight clevercloggs think they know better.
18/01/2021 12:16:47 4 6
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The test and trace system has worked quite well as I have seen first hand over the last month.
18/01/2021 12:40:08 3 2
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yeah Serco Churchills family benefitted
18/01/2021 14:09:13 1 2
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Oh come on . They have been more that generous to millions . All sitting at home collecting their salaries.
18/01/2021 17:14:52 1 3
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''£22 Billion down the drain on a failed test and trace system (some have benefited perhaps).''

The vast majority have benefited actually. You just love the snippets of bad news that the media report...
18/01/2021 18:52:01 1 0
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You say 22 billion down the drain failed test and trace?? People like you are so bloody annoying!!! Big know it alls! EVERY SINGLE COVID TEST AND ALL THE STAFF COSTS AND BUILDINGS AND PPE costs since March came out of that £22 billion!!! You are probably a Labour supporter where everything is free!!
18/01/2021 23:49:13 1 0
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Don't see any proof of your analysis,but neither would anybody else apart from Starmer
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18/01/2021 10:30:39 231 110
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Utterly disgraceful that so many working families are relying on a measly £20 per week to survive. The Tories have been in power for a decade and have created a bigger divide. The poor are poorer and the rich are richer, and it’s all deliberate. They spaffed £12billion of taxpayers money giving it to private companies on a failed Track & Trace system and handed £millions to their mates
Pure evil
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18/01/2021 10:36:09 106 23
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£22 billion in fact.
800
18/01/2021 11:58:04 1 3
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£22 billion NOT a fact.
15
18/01/2021 10:26:59 8 7
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Dickens would turn in his grave.
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18/01/2021 10:36:25 0 5
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Good. He was a loathsome individual.
38
18/01/2021 10:30:39 231 110
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Utterly disgraceful that so many working families are relying on a measly £20 per week to survive. The Tories have been in power for a decade and have created a bigger divide. The poor are poorer and the rich are richer, and it’s all deliberate. They spaffed £12billion of taxpayers money giving it to private companies on a failed Track & Trace system and handed £millions to their mates
Pure evil
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18/01/2021 10:36:29 19 20
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What is "pure evil" is your stupid political comment. Working families are not "relying on £20 per week to survive". Try sense checking what you are posting before you hit the keyboard.
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18/01/2021 10:42:23 18 12
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This govt are pure evil ..
Johnson (Major Disaster) has the accolade of leading our country with one of the highest death rates along with one of the worst economic outcomes..World Beating for sure
If they hadn’t cut funding to our NHS and Public Health over the last 10 years we would’ve been prepared and adequately equipped to deal with this pandemic. Our NHS staff denied a pay rise: Pure evil
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18/01/2021 11:09:18 6 6
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How many working families have you spoken to?
Any of those, including nurses, who have been driven to use food banks?
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18/01/2021 10:36:33 21 30
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Sir Keir Starmer said families "needed certainty"

So do voters, and Starmer has Zero answers to anything, just whinges at everything.
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18/01/2021 10:38:09 11 3
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Blow hard the Bunter whale..
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18/01/2021 10:38:29 3 3
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Youre told
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18/01/2021 10:41:56 4 3
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So do voters?

When's the election?

The poor need help now.
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18/01/2021 12:15:07 1 1
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Umm, hate to ruin the party, but Starmer has a suggestion for this issue. Read the article, and I think you'll see his answer to the problem. If you misread it as "whinging", god help your children if they ever need feeding.
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18/01/2021 10:30:39 231 110
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Utterly disgraceful that so many working families are relying on a measly £20 per week to survive. The Tories have been in power for a decade and have created a bigger divide. The poor are poorer and the rich are richer, and it’s all deliberate. They spaffed £12billion of taxpayers money giving it to private companies on a failed Track & Trace system and handed £millions to their mates
Pure evil
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18/01/2021 10:36:34 21 9
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You do realise the £20 per week was on top of the amount of universal Credit they were already being paid ?
I would continue it for at least another year or until we are back to the unemployment rate pre Pandemic which was historically low.
355
18/01/2021 11:04:50 2 5
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"we" will NOT be going back to the unemployment rate pre pandemic Covid and Brexit have changed EVERYTHING do not be presumptious
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18/01/2021 10:37:08 7 6
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So, the motion will almost certainly be passed by Parliament, but be ignored by Ministers. Tory MPs will abstain, so as to avoid any risk of negative comments about their behaviour from "lefties" gaining traction, but will do so confident that the "lazy and undeserving" poor will have their "handouts" reduced anyway.
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18/01/2021 10:37:21 279 76
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In the early 19th century Thomas Robert Malthus saw any assistance to the poor—such as given by the old poor laws—as self-defeating, temporarily removing the pressure of want from the poor while leaving them free to increase their families, thus leading to greater number of people in want and an apparently greater need for relief.

So the "workhouse" was created.

These warped views exist in 2021.
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18/01/2021 10:40:24 115 150
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looks a wise prophetic analysis from where I'm sitting.
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18/01/2021 10:50:07 17 9
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Mainly JRM and the ERG views.
Indian workers' rights standards?
Thought the Cons were the Party of the People?
At least Johnson has not yet promised to maintain workers rights.
That would really be the time to worry.
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18/01/2021 11:09:58 20 10
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And Ress Mogg now dress from that era to to make sure we don't forget our place
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18/01/2021 11:25:13 11 5
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A somewhat simplistic interpretation of Malthus's Essay on Population.....have you bothered to read it..you seem merely to regurgitating the view of the 1832 Poor Law Commissioners and other contemporary commentators seeking to reform the Poor Laws..
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18/01/2021 11:54:15 11 2
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The standard of education among the youth in this country is truly appalling. Please read real social history - the 'workhouse' was not created for that reason and was instead an evolution mistakenly made from previous social policies supposedly to alleviate the plight of the poor. The fact that the workhouse as a concept was wrong and badly administered does not make your view of history correct
18/01/2021 12:20:48 16 19
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Seems he was right! Demonstrated by how the well off have fewer children than the poorer today. Free money no responsibility.
nice Rothchild era Removed
18/01/2021 13:39:08 6 1
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And those views, appropriately-named as 'warped', are the intrinsic principles of the Conservative Party. Always have been & always will be.
18/01/2021 16:15:31 1 2
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How enlightened you are. How much would you pay benefit claimants?
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18/01/2021 10:37:29 7 1
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What about those still on legacy benefits?
77
18/01/2021 10:37:32 15 9
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Giving money as aid goes against the brexit ethos of being mean spirited
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18/01/2021 10:28:14 47 31
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The money for this has to come from somewhere. And that somewhere is us taxpayers. There has to be a limit at some point and we can't go on increasing the national debt forever.
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18/01/2021 10:37:49 44 12
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The Tories wasted £12billion of taxpayers money given to private companies on a failed Track and Trace system?
Do you realise how much money that is? Colossal
Tories are happy to hand out our money to their mates who’ve probably stashed it into offshore accounts to deny Britain much needed tax revenue. This £20 would be spent in Britain helping British companies ... Boris is a Major Disaster...
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18/01/2021 10:45:44 7 9
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You think Labour would be any different? It would be exactly the same, except we'd be even more in debt.
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Bob
18/01/2021 11:06:35 8 3
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Vastly more tests performed than any other major nation. Vast majority of contracts traced. Superior distance calculation algorithms that were then fed into the Apple/Google project. Quicker turnaround time on tests than almost every other European nation.

What a failed project.
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18/01/2021 11:14:19 8 5
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The Tories also were ahead of every other country in ordering the vaccine . Typical moaners
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18/01/2021 11:48:30 2 2
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"This £20 would be spent in Britain helping British companies ..."

You're joking, this is robbing Peter to pay Paul. It's ordinary taxpayers who will fund this, not the rich tax avoiders, not those living on benefits. Moreover, no guarantee it will be spent in Britain with British companies either or that it will even be spent on essentials.

Right about the T&T scandal though!
18/01/2021 12:47:08 0 3
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track and trace was never going to work. what works is testing for covid at borders
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18/01/2021 10:37:54 4 4
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Many comments correctly stating Tories are happy to throw money at their mates, so why not throw money at the less well off.

Couldn't we do neither?

Temporary means temporary and nepotism is still crooked.
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18/01/2021 10:27:23 809 184
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We can afford to spaf billions on a test and trace system that doesn't work, on ropey contracts to Tory donors for things like ferry companies with no ferries but heaven forbid we give £20 a week to people who really need the help.
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18/01/2021 10:37:57 16 40
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Seems Germany are struggling with test and trace now, more people died in Germany last month than people in England from Covid
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18/01/2021 10:44:13 37 4
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Relevance?
You must be ecstatic because you obviously hate the Germans. Keep watching those war films. Removed
18/01/2021 13:48:06 5 2
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What's your point? That we were right to piss the money up the wall because Germany did a bad job of it too?
Not very convincing mate
18/01/2021 14:23:02 2 1
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Yes, because our rampant failures and creation of a giant petri dish , as a result of stupid silly gambles to try and have our cake and eat it - has resulted in a strain 70% more infectious and therefore 70% more test and trace resources needed.

At least Germany had a WORKING system, until our mismangement effects the world. We'll gamble with anything - even an escape mutant.
18/01/2021 15:13:02 1 1
bbc
We didn't pay for Germany's test and trace scheme, so what's your point.
18/01/2021 16:36:36 2 2
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It isn't a competition. But this crisis has shown that the EU is a bit limited in what it can do, and is best off as a light touch organisation, not a monstrous undemocratic bureaucracy that it has become. After a few teething problems, the UK will be better off out of it.
18/01/2021 18:17:48 0 1
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We still lead the world in terms of deaths per million. Well ahead of Germany.
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18/01/2021 10:38:05 20 13
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Interesting comments of how money will be wasted on fags n booze. I wonder how many claiming are Carers, Nurses, NHS supports staff n the like, who have partners or are themselves hit by whats happening. N how many have lost jobs in parts of the economy that are 'dead' for now? But it is really easy to tar all claims as wasters, it makes it easier to disregard them, 101 demonise your opponent
501
18/01/2021 11:24:20 3 4
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While I agree with your points, we should stop believing that everyone who works in the NHS is a saint, struggling to live on peanuts. To take your "fags" point, go past ANY hospital and see the nursing staff outside on a "fag break." And they are the ones "helping" everyone else to give up smoking! Check how many are not a little overweight, too.
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18/01/2021 11:39:08 1 2
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This lazy statement again. You know that 9/10 people would have no problem with people who had a job, especially nurses etc, getting financial support from the government. What people do have a problem with is lifelong benefit claimers who see it as their right to be paid for doing nothing.
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18/01/2021 11:52:10 3 1
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Last time I checked, smoking & drinking are legal, even for us lower orders & plebs.

What sort of patronising, paternalistinc, quasi-totalitarian state would it be that told you exactly what you wre allowed to spend you money on?

In these stressful times, do try and imagine how difficult it is to stop smoking and the likely escalation of petty arguments into something worse.
18/01/2021 12:55:42 0 2
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money is for people who were now out of work due to covid..they are not used to living on minimum
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18/01/2021 10:38:07 27 14
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Has anyone summed up the amount that Bojo has wasted. the Garden bridge Fiasco, the £250 Mllion to Hancock's mate, the wasted money on PPE that couldn't be used etc etc. he is World beating at wasting money. However on the other side Jenrick did save his property mate over £40 Million. This is by some distance the most corrupt government in living memory. £20 a week for the poor - Nah.
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18/01/2021 10:36:33 21 30
bbc
Sir Keir Starmer said families "needed certainty"

So do voters, and Starmer has Zero answers to anything, just whinges at everything.
83
18/01/2021 10:38:09 11 3
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Blow hard the Bunter whale..
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18/01/2021 10:38:12 102 16
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If this wasn't a necessity, why was it needed to be implemented in the first place? What made people who were made unemployed by the pandemic need more money than those who were unemplyed already?
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18/01/2021 10:50:39 72 24
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Good point. I think Johnson was scared of UC being exposed as miserly as more people claimed it (not just the "deserving poor" who Johnson can't comprehend).
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Bob
18/01/2021 11:03:12 9 2
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The reason it was done is multi-faceted. It was a one-size fits all solution to a few issues that cropped up. Gaps in furlough/grant schemes. School meals and so on.

The problem is, as they have now learned (again), if you give someone something extra it is very difficult to give it away. You end up receiving more grief than if you never gave it in the first place.
18/01/2021 12:29:34 10 6
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it was never enough in the first place
18/01/2021 12:43:16 3 4
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the working ones are not used to living on minimum so probably a shock
18/01/2021 15:54:12 0 4
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Because Johnson is soft and wants everyone to love him - a recipe for bankrupting the country. He's also incompetent, so has spent £300bn without much to show for it, which we'll be repaying for generations. Most people are really stupid though and think we can sustain this sort of borrowing and spending without consequences.
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18/01/2021 10:38:25 23 11
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Too much silly, partisan, predictable sniping on this site these days. Let's have debate and facts, not yah-boo child's play please.
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18/01/2021 11:43:41 6 2
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You are the same Red Neck that made the comment about Malthus being a wise propohet; a wholly partisan position taken only by the right. Let's have a debate on the facts. One of which is that adding money to people's pockets allows them to spend it, keeping the economy active. Another fact is that the number of children people have is related to their education and resultant employment prospects.
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18/01/2021 11:55:41 2 1
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Always has been, Don't expect change now.
More productive than riots on the streets, don't you think?
Better to talk rubbish here than after a few too many pints in the pub.
18/01/2021 12:16:47 1 2
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Red Neck
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All temporary Covid measures need rolling back. We are in the financial poo. Shame on Labour playing silly sods on such a serious issue.
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18/01/2021 10:36:33 21 30
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Sir Keir Starmer said families "needed certainty"

So do voters, and Starmer has Zero answers to anything, just whinges at everything.
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18/01/2021 10:38:29 3 3
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Youre told
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18/01/2021 10:35:20 14 15
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Easy to be generous with other peoples cash.

If it was OK before covid, why should it be any different once the pandemic is over.
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18/01/2021 10:38:34 12 8
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So you think people should starve ?

What a nice person you aren't.
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18/01/2021 10:38:42 2 3
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thats great
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18/01/2021 10:38:49 12 17
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£20 for everyone or £20 for no-one.

People on benefits, and government employees, are the least effected groups with regards to covid. No furlough and no loss of income.
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18/01/2021 10:43:17 6 1
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£15,000 for everyone or £15,000 for no-one. People spending £500,000 on a house are not likely to be as severely affected with regards to Covid as others
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18/01/2021 10:39:25 8 9
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maybe they could go to cheltenham racecourse and spend all their money on Dido H's horse
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18/01/2021 10:28:23 7 18
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Why change course? Disabled benefits have been hacked for years, and nobody banged a triangle.
Many of those suffering universal credit cuts voted for the Tories. I'm alright Jack is fine until they become Jack.
Let them eat cake.
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18/01/2021 10:39:28 4 2
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Is that you Jacob? Maybe you could tell the fishermen whose livelihoods are at risk what the benefits of your idiotic Brexit are now. Oh, and fish don’t have a nationality either.
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18/01/2021 10:31:10 21 21
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I'm no Tory, nor am I wealthy, but I am sick & tired of the constant clamour for handouts. The responsibility for feeding kids rests with parents. If they don't want that responsibility, then don't have kids. It's as simple as that. There are some people who are genuinely in need for various reasons. No problem supporting them but there are also a lot of dependency culture parasites.
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18/01/2021 10:39:42 2 2
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Quit whining and support your fellow countrymen and women during a national crisis.

But mainly - quit whining.
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18/01/2021 10:39:46 95 38
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Universal credit has never been enough money to live on- not even to a minimal standard, unless you are a lifetime claimant who has learned to live on handouts. UC was meant to replace all of the old benefits, but has been so diluted that it can never work. And extra £20 is great for the long term claimants, but a drop in the ocean to people who used to earn but now cant pay the mortgage.
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Bob
18/01/2021 11:09:18 106 54
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It isn't meant to be. That's why additional benefits exist outside of the scope of UC.

And even if you include those it shouldn't be enough to live on. You are meant to contribute to society, not expect it to pay for you to live.
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18/01/2021 11:41:35 12 1
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Yes, difficult to swap a house with a mortgage for a subsidised council property overnight. Especially when many were sold off and others are being occupied by people who are now enjoying improved circumstances but resolutely stay put.
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18/01/2021 11:51:31 14 2
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UC was designed to reduce the payouts the gov made, and ostensibly force people back into work

It was also ostensibly to simplify an over-compilcated system.
Strange that over 80% of appeals against assessment were successful.
Maybe something to do with assessors being paid on the basis of numbers of rejections of claims?
18/01/2021 12:20:09 1 11
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There are other ways they can pay the mortgage
18/01/2021 12:35:55 3 13
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You probably spent it on iPhone just get a job because been on tax payers money makes you lazy and no good for your mental health and well-being
18/01/2021 12:42:45 0 2
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yeah can never live on benefits ....its bare minimum
18/01/2021 14:25:10 3 1
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UC shouldn't be an excuse not to find a job and just expect the state to provide you with a comfortable living.
18/01/2021 15:51:54 5 4
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It's enough to live on if you aren't spoiled and think it should be enough to live on comfortably. I can already feel the downvotes coming. I am on UC and am saving the extra into a pension because I don't need it. You could give moaners another £200 a week and they'd still moan it wasn't enough and say the evil Tories are killing the poor etc.
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18/01/2021 10:25:03 888 214
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We bailed out the banks in their time of need...Let’s show ordinary people a little bit of compassion
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18/01/2021 10:40:18 492 149
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But apparently these politicians are more acquainted with bankers than with ordinary people.
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18/01/2021 11:13:45 21 9
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Nothing new there-stating the bleedin' obvious old bean. They ARE the bankers.
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18/01/2021 11:41:15 10 3
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politicians are a name that rhymes with bankers
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18/01/2021 11:56:04 4 2
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Especially the Merchant variety.
18/01/2021 14:18:51 2 2
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Surely you don't mean Rees Mogg?
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18/01/2021 10:37:21 279 76
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In the early 19th century Thomas Robert Malthus saw any assistance to the poor—such as given by the old poor laws—as self-defeating, temporarily removing the pressure of want from the poor while leaving them free to increase their families, thus leading to greater number of people in want and an apparently greater need for relief.

So the "workhouse" was created.

These warped views exist in 2021.
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18/01/2021 10:40:24 115 150
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looks a wise prophetic analysis from where I'm sitting.
You must be sitting with your thumb up your arse then. Removed
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18/01/2021 11:37:57 30 14
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Red Neck,

You're either someone who has inherited wealth and opportunity or you were born with nothing but worked your way out of poverty. So either you've never been poor and have no frame of reference, or worse you'd deny the opportunity that you took to work your way out of poverty by forcing people into an exploitative work house.

Your "prophetic analysis" is therefore ignorant or wrong.
18/01/2021 13:09:45 8 1
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'This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both, and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy, for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the writing be erased.' A Christmas Carol
Your mum's spare room? Removed
18/01/2021 15:12:01 6 2
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Imagine agreeing with Malthusian Economics in 2021! Unbelievable that this society still churns out people with Victorian mindsets.

Obviously someone who doesn't have kids, or struggles to empathise to the point they can't imagine their own kids working their fingers to the bone in squalid conditions, suffering ritual abuse.

If you do have kids, I hope they know you truly, and judge you for it.
18/01/2021 15:40:52 3 3
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Yes but there are words for people like you, words we are not allowed to use on here.
18/01/2021 15:52:42 4 2
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Indeed - I see it regularly, aimless fools procreating rather than paying for their own way in life - then teaching their kids to do the same thing.
18/01/2021 16:17:54 3 0
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Malthusian thinking helped turn the Irish potato blight in to a famine that left hundreds of thousands dead. If that sort of things sounds good to you then there's no hope for you.
18/01/2021 18:57:46 1 0
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Very appropriate username.
18/01/2021 21:36:11 1 0
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That's why you're a redneck
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18/01/2021 10:40:39 8 14
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I think most people would like more money for benefits and for the NHS.
But these things are impossible when we have an open door migration policy
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18/01/2021 10:43:05 9 2
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We don't. Have you been living under a rock? Transition is over, points system is in place. And we've left the EU, so where's that 350 million?
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18/01/2021 10:43:23 2 1
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We don't.
Not since 01/01/2021.
Or is this yet another brexit failure?
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18/01/2021 10:43:50 3 1
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As we don't have anything of the kind what is the point being made?
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18/01/2021 10:41:05 8 8
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I cant help thinking that many of the people wanting to take £20 away are the same people that pay charities for looking after cats, dogs n donkeys - those £5 a month donations tot up... and the poor little animals cant look after themselves... Yeh - neither can children who need food, clothing, heating and a roof. PLEASE SIR CAN I HAVE SOME MORE - Dickens is spinning
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18/01/2021 10:30:16 11 22
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It was introduced as a temporary measure and should be.
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18/01/2021 10:41:09 6 2
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So was income tax in 1842.
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18/01/2021 10:50:55 1 3
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We all pay too much of that as well.
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18/01/2021 10:41:18 108 42
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Splurging money on the useless track and trace and the ultimate vanity project that is HS2, cronies trousering millions on unusable PPE, while not helping those who really need it.....callous
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18/01/2021 10:44:49 54 24
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if anyone thought a pandemic was not going to be an excuse for rich people to make more money, then......................welcome
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18/01/2021 11:04:39 1 2
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slightly off topic but facebook (and owned companies) changed their back ground website code recently (1-2 months) . if you aren't giving facebook (or owned companies) enough data to sell, they lock you out of yout account. more people online. they don't want any accounts that are hangers-onners. [this is why your view/like stats have been going down. anyone thats interested]
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Bob
18/01/2021 11:07:26 0 6
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In what way do you feel Test & Trace is useless? You would prefer not to be able to get a test would you?
18/01/2021 12:42:21 0 1
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some people turning to drug dealing to make extra money
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18/01/2021 10:41:41 29 11
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The Government is forcing so many things (such as UC) to effectively only be accessible on-line.

Yet it is the most vulnerable (along with some elderly & disabled) who all too often have little or no on-line access let alone capability of using a computer (which so many others take for granted).

Shameful.