Sanderson named Sale director of rugby
15/01/2021 | sport | rugbyunion | 175
Sale Sharks appoint former England flanker and Saracens forwards and defence coach Alex Sanderson as director of rugby.
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15/01/2021 11:32:42 48 2
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Terrible news for Saracens. Fantastic news for Sale. He's a top bloke.
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15/01/2021 12:12:24 8 12
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So was Geordan Murphy. Being a top bloke is no guarantee. Quite a team he’s inheriting though...
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15/01/2021 11:34:04 4 34
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I'm sure Alex's experience will help sale improve. You can't argue with the success he's had with Saracens.

I just find him unlikeable as a character, nothing tangible really, just comes across as abrasive, cocky even. Steve Diamond wasn't everyone's cup of tea either, maybe it suits Sale's style?
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wet
15/01/2021 11:50:48 13 2
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Cocky for sure but just read the tributes from anyone who has been associated with him in the coming days to get the measure of the man. He is a Saracens legend and a massive loss to the club
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15/01/2021 12:23:35 2 2
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Most approachable guy along with Rob Baxter on BT Sport.
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15/01/2021 12:37:18 10 1
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I'm very surprised that you think that. I've never met anyone who thinks he comes over as anything other than a very nice, pleasant and above all, honest guy - and I'm a Tigers fan, so I've no reason to be favourably disposed to him. I would have said he was impossible to dislike, based on his interviews.
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15/01/2021 13:09:52 11 1
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Always remember, my son was 12, wearring his OAs rugby gear, and waiting to get a coach to watch England play Fiji (2015 world cup) up at the OAs / Sarries training ground. Out of the blue, AlexS walked up started chatting about rugby, invited him into the sarries gym/offices, introduced him to MMc, showed him around before the coach left
I wish him every bit of luck I can muster..
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Ian
15/01/2021 14:58:50 3 1
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Quite the opposite. He is likeable and knows how to get the best out of his players
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15/01/2021 15:17:27 3 1
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I worry about your judgment of character, he is possibly one of the nicest, down to earth people in the rugby world at the moment
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15/01/2021 11:34:46 20 2
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What a great coup for Sale and a fantastic choice. Northern Powerhouse; but this one should actually deliver...
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15/01/2021 11:35:35 71 3
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Nice to see someone who is associated with the club get the role rather than flying in a NZ/SA/Australian with a reputation. Hope he does well.
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15/01/2021 12:03:24 22 2
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I'm with you entirely Dai, great comment.
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15/01/2021 20:38:12 1 1
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Well put. Especially someone doing their time in the system, proving their worth
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15/01/2021 11:36:32 12 2
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Good move for him and for Sale.
The BBC in their infinite wisdom decided not to open a HYS on it, so I'll do it here. Surely its time to cancel the whole of the Champions and Challenge Cups? If I'm right, qualification for the quarter finals is now done, after 2 matches, some of which have been cancelled. At a quick look 3 of 8 of the Champions Cup QFs will be there off the back of a cancelled game. Its a farce, just cancel it Removed
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15/01/2021 11:53:52 7 3
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Sadly, even though Wasps would have a strong chance of winning the tournament, I have to agree. I doubt any club would see this as a "proper" win of the cup - and if the French are not allowing games now, why would they in a few weeks time? - it is a farce and should have been cancelled from the start (something I suggested on these HYS a while back and was ridiculed for).
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15/01/2021 11:43:59 15 5
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Top player, coach and especially Top bloke. Carried himself superbly well during the Saracens issues, in which he wasn't directly involved. Always says it how it is, and this is a great move for him and Sale.
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15/01/2021 11:45:24 14 2
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This is a very astute appointment. I'd been posting up on Bath forums about getting him onboard for years! Sad he's going to Sale and not to my team.
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15/01/2021 11:34:04 4 34
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I'm sure Alex's experience will help sale improve. You can't argue with the success he's had with Saracens.

I just find him unlikeable as a character, nothing tangible really, just comes across as abrasive, cocky even. Steve Diamond wasn't everyone's cup of tea either, maybe it suits Sale's style?
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wet
15/01/2021 11:50:48 13 2
bbc
Cocky for sure but just read the tributes from anyone who has been associated with him in the coming days to get the measure of the man. He is a Saracens legend and a massive loss to the club
The BBC in their infinite wisdom decided not to open a HYS on it, so I'll do it here. Surely its time to cancel the whole of the Champions and Challenge Cups? If I'm right, qualification for the quarter finals is now done, after 2 matches, some of which have been cancelled. At a quick look 3 of 8 of the Champions Cup QFs will be there off the back of a cancelled game. Its a farce, just cancel it Removed
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15/01/2021 11:53:52 7 3
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Sadly, even though Wasps would have a strong chance of winning the tournament, I have to agree. I doubt any club would see this as a "proper" win of the cup - and if the French are not allowing games now, why would they in a few weeks time? - it is a farce and should have been cancelled from the start (something I suggested on these HYS a while back and was ridiculed for).
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wet
15/01/2021 11:54:28 40 3
bbc
If he was going to leave Saracens for any club, Sale is almost too perfect. Northern, a bit chippy, on the cusp of becoming a regular top 3 side with a great squad. Perfect marriage, huge loss to Sarries
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15/01/2021 22:18:41 3 17
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So only Northern people can coach Northern clubs?
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15/01/2021 11:57:34 41 9
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Have met Alex Sanderson quite a few times, top bloke. Sad to see him depart Saracens but it's a big opportunity.

Yet another ex Saracens player getting the top coaching job at another club.

It's not really appreciated enough how Saracens have helped ex players move on from playing rugby. It's a very simplistic view when people say - it's all about the money. Player welfare is important.
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15/01/2021 11:58:31 26 3
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At least the commentary teams won't be as scared to go to him during games they were terrified of Steve Diamond
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15/01/2021 12:01:52 17 2
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I agree. Alex Sanderson is very approachable, down to earth.
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15/01/2021 12:14:00 9 1
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Yes he is real value for money when BT interview him mid game. I really hope he succeeds, alongside the likes of Borthwick successful young English coaches can only benefit the national team in the future He was so unlucky to miss out on the final WC squad in 2003 and retired at 26 due to back injury. Fingers crossed he reaches his potential as a head coach after 16 years of experience at Sarries
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15/01/2021 12:01:19 7 3
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I played with his brother, Pat for Lancashire who was much bigger and an entirely different type of player.

I always liked the look of Alex and think that he'll do well at Sale...

...but at the end of the day, it's down to the players on the pitch.
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15/01/2021 11:58:31 26 3
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At least the commentary teams won't be as scared to go to him during games they were terrified of Steve Diamond
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15/01/2021 12:01:52 17 2
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I agree. Alex Sanderson is very approachable, down to earth.
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15/01/2021 11:35:35 71 3
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Nice to see someone who is associated with the club get the role rather than flying in a NZ/SA/Australian with a reputation. Hope he does well.
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15/01/2021 12:03:24 22 2
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I'm with you entirely Dai, great comment.
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15/01/2021 12:03:28 1 18
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Wayne Pivac was in too much demand- best coach in world rugby
If you cannot be sensible trot away like a good boy Removed
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15/01/2021 15:55:42 2 2
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I will rephrase it as you got my last comment removed.
Why mention Pivac? you have a very unhealthy interest in him!
Is there something you are not telling us
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PWL
15/01/2021 15:57:23 2 2
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If you had a second brain, it would due of loneliness!
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15/01/2021 11:32:42 48 2
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Terrible news for Saracens. Fantastic news for Sale. He's a top bloke.
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15/01/2021 12:12:24 8 12
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So was Geordan Murphy. Being a top bloke is no guarantee. Quite a team he’s inheriting though...
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15/01/2021 17:39:05 2 3
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Not sure about GM - most players rated him as a shirt puller and cheat. Zero respect.
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15/01/2021 18:11:05 5 1
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Huge difference-Sanderson has great track record as a coach...no more need be said.
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16/01/2021 04:01:27 5 1
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He was our forwards coach since the transition from SA Saracens to Academy Saracens. How many Lions in our pack that Alex personally oversaw? George, Itoje, Kruis from the Academy, and the Vunipolas from youth. He doesn't need to inherit a team; he'll make one from scratch.
Bigger loss to Sarries than if all our Internationals walked out en masse.
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15/01/2021 12:13:57 2 3
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Splitter...!! Nice to see Saracens coaching taking over the Prem. Three now.
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15/01/2021 11:58:31 26 3
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At least the commentary teams won't be as scared to go to him during games they were terrified of Steve Diamond
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15/01/2021 12:14:00 9 1
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Yes he is real value for money when BT interview him mid game. I really hope he succeeds, alongside the likes of Borthwick successful young English coaches can only benefit the national team in the future He was so unlucky to miss out on the final WC squad in 2003 and retired at 26 due to back injury. Fingers crossed he reaches his potential as a head coach after 16 years of experience at Sarries
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15/01/2021 12:15:37 22 1
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As a Sarries fan I'm gutted to see him go but wish him all the best. A top bloke.

It will be interesting to see who Sarries now have waiting in the wings. With Farrell, Gustard and now Sanderson all stepping up to bigger jobs there's a lot of top quality English coaches in big jobs which can only be good for England rugby long term
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wet
15/01/2021 12:55:37 14 3
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Brad Barritt!
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15/01/2021 12:18:31 10 2
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Great signing by Sale. Top quality guy. If Rob Baxter turns down England job after Jones leaves Alex must be next in line.
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15/01/2021 13:51:13 3 3
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Borthwick...
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16/01/2021 09:40:23 0 1
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He hasn't coached a club yet and you're already saying he should lead Engalnd!
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16/01/2021 10:52:27 0 1
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Pat Lam!
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15/01/2021 12:20:59 7 11
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Hope he picks up Afrikaans pretty quick, he would have had some practice at Saffercens.
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15/01/2021 12:25:39 12 8
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You’re funny. More Boks at Irish, Bears, Worcester and Exeter than Saracens. As well as Sale. Do you find it difficult walking with that massive chip on your shoulder?
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15/01/2021 12:26:19 2 1
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Presumably he'll be on a much reduced 'financial package'....
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15/01/2021 12:03:28 1 18
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Wayne Pivac was in too much demand- best coach in world rugby
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If you cannot be sensible trot away like a good boy Removed
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15/01/2021 11:34:04 4 34
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I'm sure Alex's experience will help sale improve. You can't argue with the success he's had with Saracens.

I just find him unlikeable as a character, nothing tangible really, just comes across as abrasive, cocky even. Steve Diamond wasn't everyone's cup of tea either, maybe it suits Sale's style?
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15/01/2021 12:23:35 2 2
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Most approachable guy along with Rob Baxter on BT Sport.
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15/01/2021 12:23:38 31 2
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Great to see a young English coach being given the opportunity to coach at a high level. Long may it continue.
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15/01/2021 12:20:59 7 11
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Hope he picks up Afrikaans pretty quick, he would have had some practice at Saffercens.
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15/01/2021 12:25:39 12 8
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You’re funny. More Boks at Irish, Bears, Worcester and Exeter than Saracens. As well as Sale. Do you find it difficult walking with that massive chip on your shoulder?
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15/01/2021 12:47:48 5 4
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I think it was said as a joke.
No need for silly response.
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15/01/2021 14:15:55 0 4
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Not so when their cheating was in its pomp. Loads of Boks and a huge SA financial investment by some very dodgy Saffer businessmen. Then even they started asking questions in Saracens board meetings about "co-investments", didn't like what they saw and ran for the hills.
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15/01/2021 12:20:59 7 11
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Hope he picks up Afrikaans pretty quick, he would have had some practice at Saffercens.
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15/01/2021 12:26:19 2 1
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Presumably he'll be on a much reduced 'financial package'....
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15/01/2021 12:28:58 12 2
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This is a good signing but it will be interesting to see how quickly he'll change our method of playing because change it he will. Very interesting times for all Sale supporters & players.
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15/01/2021 12:31:48 14 5
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Good call. Needs to get an attack coach to replace Deacon - been at Sale since 2015 & for the back line they have had/got should have scored more tries than they have
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15/01/2021 11:34:04 4 34
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I'm sure Alex's experience will help sale improve. You can't argue with the success he's had with Saracens.

I just find him unlikeable as a character, nothing tangible really, just comes across as abrasive, cocky even. Steve Diamond wasn't everyone's cup of tea either, maybe it suits Sale's style?
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15/01/2021 12:37:18 10 1
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I'm very surprised that you think that. I've never met anyone who thinks he comes over as anything other than a very nice, pleasant and above all, honest guy - and I'm a Tigers fan, so I've no reason to be favourably disposed to him. I would have said he was impossible to dislike, based on his interviews.
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15/01/2021 12:42:35 9 3
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Great appointment. They have the potential to be a great side, but just aren't delivering at the moment.
Too many Saffie mercenaries. Removed
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15/01/2021 12:25:39 12 8
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You’re funny. More Boks at Irish, Bears, Worcester and Exeter than Saracens. As well as Sale. Do you find it difficult walking with that massive chip on your shoulder?
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15/01/2021 12:47:48 5 4
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I think it was said as a joke.
No need for silly response.
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15/01/2021 12:15:37 22 1
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As a Sarries fan I'm gutted to see him go but wish him all the best. A top bloke.

It will be interesting to see who Sarries now have waiting in the wings. With Farrell, Gustard and now Sanderson all stepping up to bigger jobs there's a lot of top quality English coaches in big jobs which can only be good for England rugby long term
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wet
15/01/2021 12:55:37 14 3
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Brad Barritt!
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15/01/2021 14:33:15 0 1
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Is that confirmed or just hoped?
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PWA
15/01/2021 12:58:33 9 26
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Not so sure about this. Success at Saracens when they were cheating on the salary cap means that coaches who we assumed were forward thinking and innovative just had more quality players to choose from who were better rested and conditioned than the rest. Maybe why Gustard can't get it quite right at Quins too.
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15/01/2021 14:10:44 1 15
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Very fair. What conclusions can you reach about coaches who benefitted from cheating on an industrial scale over many years? Every year they cheated, the benefit multiplied as their spending on players compounded, their cheating advantage grew exponentially. The Saracens Way.
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15/01/2021 14:34:47 1 2
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Just more quality players to choose from. Coaching is that simple... in your own mind...

Over years, Saracens has attracted quality players, mostly developed in house though but Saracens when they started the process with BV, in 2009/10 he did not have a star studded squad.

The 2010/11 team that won the premiership was not full of superstars.

I count 6 academy players in the 23 as well.
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15/01/2021 15:47:07 1 1
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Yes but 3/4 of the Sale squad aren’t England qualified so they will be able to field stronger sides during the 6 nations and don’t have to worry about England player rest periods.
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15/01/2021 13:03:44 21 4
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Could be a good appointment if he can adapt to being the main man, great record as a coach with Saracens and good to see an English coach being given a leading role.
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15/01/2021 13:08:55 4 3
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Good move for him Sale have the money now to buy success so he’ll be able to sign big name players and a catchment area to improve their Academy.Success here will put him in line for international appointments England maybe he’s good enough.
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15/01/2021 13:55:40 2 1
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Salary cap reducing next season, so he will have to trim squad not recruit
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15/01/2021 12:42:35 9 3
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Great appointment. They have the potential to be a great side, but just aren't delivering at the moment.
Too many Saffie mercenaries. Removed
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15/01/2021 11:34:04 4 34
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I'm sure Alex's experience will help sale improve. You can't argue with the success he's had with Saracens.

I just find him unlikeable as a character, nothing tangible really, just comes across as abrasive, cocky even. Steve Diamond wasn't everyone's cup of tea either, maybe it suits Sale's style?
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15/01/2021 13:09:52 11 1
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Always remember, my son was 12, wearring his OAs rugby gear, and waiting to get a coach to watch England play Fiji (2015 world cup) up at the OAs / Sarries training ground. Out of the blue, AlexS walked up started chatting about rugby, invited him into the sarries gym/offices, introduced him to MMc, showed him around before the coach left
I wish him every bit of luck I can muster..
Excellent coach, glad to see he has finally washed his hands of the salarysin scum. Removed
Considering what was going on at saracens. He's not proven anything. He's just another cheat Removed
Your surname says it all! No doubt a bitter Exeter fan. Removed
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Not keen on him to be honest. Done well with a team surrounded by a culture of cheating. Removed
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15/01/2021 13:40:05 6 4
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give it a rest you p***k
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15/01/2021 13:20:09 13 4
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Great coach, he certainly did well at Sarries. Wish him all the best at Sale.
Considering what was going on at saracens. He's not proven anything. He's just another cheat Removed
Your surname says it all! No doubt a bitter Exeter fan. Removed
Good coach I rate him highly, alas just another rat jumping ship. Removed
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15/01/2021 13:59:02 3 15
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sinking ship.

And I wouldn't call him a rat. Disrespectful.

nigel wray now he is a rat.
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15/01/2021 13:38:17 6 11
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It is a great choice and a perfect fit. He should lose the Saracens tag as fast as possible. Recommend he only talks about Sale and integrity, honesty, openness, hard work, plus do not recruit loads of Saracens players. Good luck to him.
Very likeable bloke, I don't mind if he recruits Sarries players, It is a better solution for our game than recruiting more Saffers into the Premiership and I am aware of Sarries having started with Saffers. Removed
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15/01/2021 15:03:33 2 2
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Not sure why my post was removed, is calling someone a Saffer racist?
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15/01/2021 16:58:12 0 1
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Sarries don't have too many Saffers
Not keen on him to be honest. Done well with a team surrounded by a culture of cheating. Removed
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15/01/2021 13:40:05 6 4
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give it a rest you p***k
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15/01/2021 14:01:22 0 3
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Casper right. You are not.

The rugby world shouldn't forget after a short time just because you wish it would.
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15/01/2021 13:48:36 2 4
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He's a good talker and has great success at Saracens, but it's a big jump from being second in command to being the main man.
There's obviously a lot of money being spent at Sale given the number of South Africans playing there, not sure how this is going to English national side though, Sarries had a lot of foreign players but had great representation in the English side too last off.
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15/01/2021 13:38:17 6 11
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It is a great choice and a perfect fit. He should lose the Saracens tag as fast as possible. Recommend he only talks about Sale and integrity, honesty, openness, hard work, plus do not recruit loads of Saracens players. Good luck to him.
Very likeable bloke, I don't mind if he recruits Sarries players, It is a better solution for our game than recruiting more Saffers into the Premiership and I am aware of Sarries having started with Saffers. Removed
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15/01/2021 13:54:35 1 3
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Sarries players are more expensive & salary cap is reducing next season.
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15/01/2021 13:50:07 10 2
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Good appointment for Sale.
Wish him all the best.
I met him once....had a short conversation....and came away thinking what a bleddy nice person he was. Knows his stuff that's for sure.
The very best of luck to you, sir.
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15/01/2021 12:18:31 10 2
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Great signing by Sale. Top quality guy. If Rob Baxter turns down England job after Jones leaves Alex must be next in line.
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15/01/2021 13:51:13 3 3
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Borthwick...
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15/01/2021 14:25:52 0 1
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Still needs to prove himself at Tigers.
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Bob
15/01/2021 13:53:53 9 3
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Great for Sale

Lets hope this is the start of some better rugby. Been very hard to watch this season so far.
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16/01/2021 15:49:18 0 0
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Is that a comment from pigmans dad
Very likeable bloke, I don't mind if he recruits Sarries players, It is a better solution for our game than recruiting more Saffers into the Premiership and I am aware of Sarries having started with Saffers. Removed
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15/01/2021 13:54:35 1 3
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Sarries players are more expensive & salary cap is reducing next season.
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15/01/2021 13:08:55 4 3
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Good move for him Sale have the money now to buy success so he’ll be able to sign big name players and a catchment area to improve their Academy.Success here will put him in line for international appointments England maybe he’s good enough.
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15/01/2021 13:55:40 2 1
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Salary cap reducing next season, so he will have to trim squad not recruit
Good coach I rate him highly, alas just another rat jumping ship. Removed
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15/01/2021 13:59:02 3 15
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sinking ship.

And I wouldn't call him a rat. Disrespectful.

nigel wray now he is a rat.
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15/01/2021 13:40:05 6 4
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give it a rest you p***k
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15/01/2021 14:01:22 0 3
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Casper right. You are not.

The rugby world shouldn't forget after a short time just because you wish it would.
Another p***k Removed
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PWA
15/01/2021 12:58:33 9 26
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Not so sure about this. Success at Saracens when they were cheating on the salary cap means that coaches who we assumed were forward thinking and innovative just had more quality players to choose from who were better rested and conditioned than the rest. Maybe why Gustard can't get it quite right at Quins too.
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15/01/2021 14:10:44 1 15
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Very fair. What conclusions can you reach about coaches who benefitted from cheating on an industrial scale over many years? Every year they cheated, the benefit multiplied as their spending on players compounded, their cheating advantage grew exponentially. The Saracens Way.
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15/01/2021 14:46:23 0 1
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Don't suppose you read how the fine was calculated?
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15/01/2021 17:02:01 1 1
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Just like to let you know when the rugby community were fund raising for my daughter-in-law and grandson Nigel Wray was one of those to put his hand in his pocket
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15/01/2021 14:01:22 0 3
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Casper right. You are not.

The rugby world shouldn't forget after a short time just because you wish it would.
Another p***k Removed
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15/01/2021 14:38:11 0 2
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Good luck on a wet Friday night down at Cornish Pirates. arf arf
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15/01/2021 12:25:39 12 8
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You’re funny. More Boks at Irish, Bears, Worcester and Exeter than Saracens. As well as Sale. Do you find it difficult walking with that massive chip on your shoulder?
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15/01/2021 14:15:55 0 4
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Not so when their cheating was in its pomp. Loads of Boks and a huge SA financial investment by some very dodgy Saffer businessmen. Then even they started asking questions in Saracens board meetings about "co-investments", didn't like what they saw and ran for the hills.
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15/01/2021 13:51:13 3 3
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Borthwick...
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15/01/2021 14:25:52 0 1
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Still needs to prove himself at Tigers.
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15/01/2021 15:24:05 1 1
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He's making a very good impression so far.
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wet
15/01/2021 12:55:37 14 3
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Brad Barritt!
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15/01/2021 14:33:15 0 1
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Is that confirmed or just hoped?
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PWA
15/01/2021 12:58:33 9 26
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Not so sure about this. Success at Saracens when they were cheating on the salary cap means that coaches who we assumed were forward thinking and innovative just had more quality players to choose from who were better rested and conditioned than the rest. Maybe why Gustard can't get it quite right at Quins too.
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15/01/2021 14:34:47 1 2
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Just more quality players to choose from. Coaching is that simple... in your own mind...

Over years, Saracens has attracted quality players, mostly developed in house though but Saracens when they started the process with BV, in 2009/10 he did not have a star studded squad.

The 2010/11 team that won the premiership was not full of superstars.

I count 6 academy players in the 23 as well.
Another p***k Removed
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15/01/2021 14:38:11 0 2
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Good luck on a wet Friday night down at Cornish Pirates. arf arf
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15/01/2021 14:39:59 8 13
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I see that in another front page story on the BBC Sport website it reports about an American football team appointing a new coach. However, the main aspect of the report is that he is a Muslim. If we are now in a world of equality then why is the religion of the new Sale coach not publicised? The religion of a coach is of no concern to many yet the media continue to themselves show discrimination
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15/01/2021 15:15:02 8 5
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possibly because there are no muslim head coaches in the NFL ? Highlighting this isn't discrimination but those offended by its very mention just shows how much more action is needed to fight discriminatory attitudes . Anyway - back to rugby and a good signing by Sale . Hope he does well .
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15/01/2021 15:16:14 1 2
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True.
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15/01/2021 15:26:03 2 1
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Rugby is Alixs religion
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15/01/2021 16:36:44 1 2
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So you can't see that being the first Muslim to be the head coach of a major American Football team isn't news worthy given the state of politics in America at present? You faux outrage is laughable.
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16/01/2021 11:13:56 0 1
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They’re not being discriminatory. Quite the opposite if you think about it. I agree with you otherwise.
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15/01/2021 14:10:44 1 15
bbc
Very fair. What conclusions can you reach about coaches who benefitted from cheating on an industrial scale over many years? Every year they cheated, the benefit multiplied as their spending on players compounded, their cheating advantage grew exponentially. The Saracens Way.
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15/01/2021 14:46:23 0 1
bbc
Don't suppose you read how the fine was calculated?
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15/01/2021 14:50:03 1 2
bbc
I know exactly how calculated. And the 2015/16 Saracens fine also. Like i say, cheating over many years.
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15/01/2021 14:46:23 0 1
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Don't suppose you read how the fine was calculated?
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15/01/2021 14:50:03 1 2
bbc
I know exactly how calculated. And the 2015/16 Saracens fine also. Like i say, cheating over many years.
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15/01/2021 11:34:04 4 34
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I'm sure Alex's experience will help sale improve. You can't argue with the success he's had with Saracens.

I just find him unlikeable as a character, nothing tangible really, just comes across as abrasive, cocky even. Steve Diamond wasn't everyone's cup of tea either, maybe it suits Sale's style?
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Ian
15/01/2021 14:58:50 3 1
bbc
Quite the opposite. He is likeable and knows how to get the best out of his players
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15/01/2021 13:38:17 6 11
bbc
It is a great choice and a perfect fit. He should lose the Saracens tag as fast as possible. Recommend he only talks about Sale and integrity, honesty, openness, hard work, plus do not recruit loads of Saracens players. Good luck to him.
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15/01/2021 15:03:33 2 2
bbc
Not sure why my post was removed, is calling someone a Saffer racist?
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15/01/2021 15:13:14 3 22
bbc
No doubt he can coach but all his wins have been based at shady Sarries.
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15/01/2021 14:39:59 8 13
bbc
I see that in another front page story on the BBC Sport website it reports about an American football team appointing a new coach. However, the main aspect of the report is that he is a Muslim. If we are now in a world of equality then why is the religion of the new Sale coach not publicised? The religion of a coach is of no concern to many yet the media continue to themselves show discrimination
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15/01/2021 15:15:02 8 5
bbc
possibly because there are no muslim head coaches in the NFL ? Highlighting this isn't discrimination but those offended by its very mention just shows how much more action is needed to fight discriminatory attitudes . Anyway - back to rugby and a good signing by Sale . Hope he does well .
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15/01/2021 15:47:00 1 3
bbc
My point was that does anybody know what religion Alex Sanderson is - and does anybody care? NO !

So why make religion part of a story in which it has no significance? Yes, the American might be the first Muslim but so what? Has anyone ever seen a similar article saying that a person is the first Greek Orthodox to get a certain job? No, because the media wouldn't think it was newsworthy.
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15/01/2021 14:39:59 8 13
bbc
I see that in another front page story on the BBC Sport website it reports about an American football team appointing a new coach. However, the main aspect of the report is that he is a Muslim. If we are now in a world of equality then why is the religion of the new Sale coach not publicised? The religion of a coach is of no concern to many yet the media continue to themselves show discrimination
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15/01/2021 15:16:14 1 2
bbc
True.
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15/01/2021 11:34:04 4 34
bbc
I'm sure Alex's experience will help sale improve. You can't argue with the success he's had with Saracens.

I just find him unlikeable as a character, nothing tangible really, just comes across as abrasive, cocky even. Steve Diamond wasn't everyone's cup of tea either, maybe it suits Sale's style?
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15/01/2021 15:17:27 3 1
bbc
I worry about your judgment of character, he is possibly one of the nicest, down to earth people in the rugby world at the moment
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15/01/2021 15:23:59 2 11
bbc
It seems the dismantling of Saracens continues apace ... its really such a shame as everyone was/is cheating in some way. Still the eleventh commandment applies at all times
Salerycens level of cheating (and lack of any contrition after being collared for it TWICE) is to a different scale to anyone before. But just like Trump supporters many don't want to recognise it. Removed
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15/01/2021 16:46:33 4 2
bbc
In logic, this is known as the 'You also' fallacy. Someone (in this case you) claims that everyone else is at it without producing any evidence this is true. Often used (as you are) as a red herring to deflect attention away from who really was at it. Salarysins.
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15/01/2021 14:25:52 0 1
bbc
Still needs to prove himself at Tigers.
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15/01/2021 15:24:05 1 1
bbc
He's making a very good impression so far.
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15/01/2021 14:39:59 8 13
bbc
I see that in another front page story on the BBC Sport website it reports about an American football team appointing a new coach. However, the main aspect of the report is that he is a Muslim. If we are now in a world of equality then why is the religion of the new Sale coach not publicised? The religion of a coach is of no concern to many yet the media continue to themselves show discrimination
75
15/01/2021 15:26:03 2 1
bbc
Rugby is Alixs religion
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15/01/2021 15:39:20 0 16
bbc
a lot of team craping the bottom of the barrel employing ex players who have hardly finished hanging up their boots. Hope he does well but Hooper and Skivington have been pretty useless and with all that talent. Let's see Sanderson give it a shot - you never know but the current crop of ex-players just stand in's until Covid-19 has gone.
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15/01/2021 15:49:51 13 2
bbc
Sanderson has been coaching at Saracens for 15 years!!
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15/01/2021 16:33:56 3 2
bbc
You don't know much about the game do you? He's been a coach since injury retirement in 2005 and worked his way up at Sarries to become defence & forwards coach. Head coach is a logical progression.
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16/01/2021 08:26:57 1 1
bbc
I for one would be happy to see ex player Ali Hepher back at Northampton
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15/01/2021 15:44:04 10 2
bbc
Good appointment for Sale but he's going to have to work within his allocated budget. Diamond wasn't everyones cup of tea but he had a knack of attracting and managing 'troubled' talent at a bargain price. Sale do need a change of venue however. There is a good rugby fan base in Manchester but the location of the current stadium is truly awful.....!!!
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15/01/2021 18:21:01 7 1
bbc
Come back to Edgeley Park - walking distance from the station, and (more importantly) my house
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15/01/2021 15:15:02 8 5
bbc
possibly because there are no muslim head coaches in the NFL ? Highlighting this isn't discrimination but those offended by its very mention just shows how much more action is needed to fight discriminatory attitudes . Anyway - back to rugby and a good signing by Sale . Hope he does well .
78
15/01/2021 15:47:00 1 3
bbc
My point was that does anybody know what religion Alex Sanderson is - and does anybody care? NO !

So why make religion part of a story in which it has no significance? Yes, the American might be the first Muslim but so what? Has anyone ever seen a similar article saying that a person is the first Greek Orthodox to get a certain job? No, because the media wouldn't think it was newsworthy.
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PWA
15/01/2021 12:58:33 9 26
bbc
Not so sure about this. Success at Saracens when they were cheating on the salary cap means that coaches who we assumed were forward thinking and innovative just had more quality players to choose from who were better rested and conditioned than the rest. Maybe why Gustard can't get it quite right at Quins too.
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15/01/2021 15:47:07 1 1
bbc
Yes but 3/4 of the Sale squad aren’t England qualified so they will be able to field stronger sides during the 6 nations and don’t have to worry about England player rest periods.
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15/01/2021 16:45:53 0 1
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Yes. People don't realise that there are many negatives to developing international players - especially English ones.

Demand higher salary and only play half the season.

Better sign up more foreign players to your squad or non internationals. Better value for money.

If you look at a lot of premiership rugby clubs squads now most have at least 15 foreign players in their squad.
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15/01/2021 15:39:20 0 16
bbc
a lot of team craping the bottom of the barrel employing ex players who have hardly finished hanging up their boots. Hope he does well but Hooper and Skivington have been pretty useless and with all that talent. Let's see Sanderson give it a shot - you never know but the current crop of ex-players just stand in's until Covid-19 has gone.
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15/01/2021 15:49:51 13 2
bbc
Sanderson has been coaching at Saracens for 15 years!!
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15/01/2021 15:50:40 3 3
bbc
I dont know about the Sale fans but, the decision to scrap the last 2 rounds of the Champions League has made an even bigger mockery out of the competition. We now have a team with ONE POINT into the playoffs. The organizers look like dolts - they should have made it simple. The Top 16 teams with the most points would contest the knockout stages.
This has nothing to do with the article. Nil points. Removed
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15/01/2021 16:06:13 3 2
bbc
Careful, my earlier comment on this was pulled for being off topic. Its only the top 4 in each group making the playoffs, Sanderson's (great signing for Sale) Sale will be into the Challenge Cup with1 losing BP. Some teams only played 1 qualifier game.

Its become a farce & should be cancelled. Will the eventual winners really be able to look at themselves & think they're the champions of Europe?
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15/01/2021 16:36:40 3 2
bbc
I have to agree. Sad, but it does seem a bit much saying that in groups of 12, sides are qualified after playing 2 games, and in some cases only 1 game with them being awarded a BP win when their opposition have got unlucky with covid.

Not great, but if they did cancel it then it would give tired players a rest, and some space if we have to reschedule other matches.
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15/01/2021 16:54:01 8 3
bbc
Surely the French teams should have been deemed to be defeated 28-0 having failed to fulfil their fixtures
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15/01/2021 15:23:59 2 11
bbc
It seems the dismantling of Saracens continues apace ... its really such a shame as everyone was/is cheating in some way. Still the eleventh commandment applies at all times
Salerycens level of cheating (and lack of any contrition after being collared for it TWICE) is to a different scale to anyone before. But just like Trump supporters many don't want to recognise it. Removed
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15/01/2021 16:32:46 1 2
bbc
Many Saracens haters don't want to accept how much Saracens helped development of players from many nationalities, helped young English coaches and England rugby.

If you actually read the facts, you'll know that Chris Ashton was not a Saracens player at the time, he counted towards the cap.

30% of £800k or 30% for £1.6m valuation of image rights - which is more beneficial for the player?
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15/01/2021 12:03:28 1 18
bbc
Wayne Pivac was in too much demand- best coach in world rugby
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15/01/2021 15:55:42 2 2
bbc
I will rephrase it as you got my last comment removed.
Why mention Pivac? you have a very unhealthy interest in him!
Is there something you are not telling us
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16/01/2021 22:49:28 0 0
bbc
Pivac is a rugby god
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15/01/2021 12:03:28 1 18
bbc
Wayne Pivac was in too much demand- best coach in world rugby
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PWL
15/01/2021 15:57:23 2 2
bbc
If you had a second brain, it would due of loneliness!
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16/01/2021 22:49:09 0 0
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due of loneliness.....
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15/01/2021 15:50:40 3 3
bbc
I dont know about the Sale fans but, the decision to scrap the last 2 rounds of the Champions League has made an even bigger mockery out of the competition. We now have a team with ONE POINT into the playoffs. The organizers look like dolts - they should have made it simple. The Top 16 teams with the most points would contest the knockout stages.
This has nothing to do with the article. Nil points. Removed
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15/01/2021 15:50:40 3 3
bbc
I dont know about the Sale fans but, the decision to scrap the last 2 rounds of the Champions League has made an even bigger mockery out of the competition. We now have a team with ONE POINT into the playoffs. The organizers look like dolts - they should have made it simple. The Top 16 teams with the most points would contest the knockout stages.
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15/01/2021 16:06:13 3 2
bbc
Careful, my earlier comment on this was pulled for being off topic. Its only the top 4 in each group making the playoffs, Sanderson's (great signing for Sale) Sale will be into the Challenge Cup with1 losing BP. Some teams only played 1 qualifier game.

Its become a farce & should be cancelled. Will the eventual winners really be able to look at themselves & think they're the champions of Europe?
Salerycens level of cheating (and lack of any contrition after being collared for it TWICE) is to a different scale to anyone before. But just like Trump supporters many don't want to recognise it. Removed
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15/01/2021 16:32:46 1 2
bbc
Many Saracens haters don't want to accept how much Saracens helped development of players from many nationalities, helped young English coaches and England rugby.

If you actually read the facts, you'll know that Chris Ashton was not a Saracens player at the time, he counted towards the cap.

30% of £800k or 30% for £1.6m valuation of image rights - which is more beneficial for the player?
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15/01/2021 23:14:38 4 3
bbc
Saracens hatred is entirely related to their manipulation and cheating of the regulations to win competitions.

I would be surprised if anyone interested in sport didn’t hate Saracens for debasing the very ethos of competitive sport.

It’s not over - they still refuse to open their books and preferred to accept relegation.

What are they hiding ?
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15/01/2021 15:39:20 0 16
bbc
a lot of team craping the bottom of the barrel employing ex players who have hardly finished hanging up their boots. Hope he does well but Hooper and Skivington have been pretty useless and with all that talent. Let's see Sanderson give it a shot - you never know but the current crop of ex-players just stand in's until Covid-19 has gone.
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15/01/2021 16:33:56 3 2
bbc
You don't know much about the game do you? He's been a coach since injury retirement in 2005 and worked his way up at Sarries to become defence & forwards coach. Head coach is a logical progression.
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15/01/2021 15:50:40 3 3
bbc
I dont know about the Sale fans but, the decision to scrap the last 2 rounds of the Champions League has made an even bigger mockery out of the competition. We now have a team with ONE POINT into the playoffs. The organizers look like dolts - they should have made it simple. The Top 16 teams with the most points would contest the knockout stages.
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15/01/2021 16:36:40 3 2
bbc
I have to agree. Sad, but it does seem a bit much saying that in groups of 12, sides are qualified after playing 2 games, and in some cases only 1 game with them being awarded a BP win when their opposition have got unlucky with covid.

Not great, but if they did cancel it then it would give tired players a rest, and some space if we have to reschedule other matches.
64
15/01/2021 14:39:59 8 13
bbc
I see that in another front page story on the BBC Sport website it reports about an American football team appointing a new coach. However, the main aspect of the report is that he is a Muslim. If we are now in a world of equality then why is the religion of the new Sale coach not publicised? The religion of a coach is of no concern to many yet the media continue to themselves show discrimination
90
15/01/2021 16:36:44 1 2
bbc
So you can't see that being the first Muslim to be the head coach of a major American Football team isn't news worthy given the state of politics in America at present? You faux outrage is laughable.
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15/01/2021 16:53:33 1 1
bbc
No, I just can't see why a particular religion is forever mentioned when it has nothing to do with story being reported. Most people couldn't care less about a person's religion (including myself) but the way the media keep on reporting it is as though the vast majority are always against them. Those of all religions are sometimes persecuted for their beliefs but the media only report certain ones
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15/01/2021 16:39:48 3 3
bbc
Bad news for every other club in the Prem I think!
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15/01/2021 15:47:07 1 1
bbc
Yes but 3/4 of the Sale squad aren’t England qualified so they will be able to field stronger sides during the 6 nations and don’t have to worry about England player rest periods.
92
15/01/2021 16:45:53 0 1
bbc
Yes. People don't realise that there are many negatives to developing international players - especially English ones.

Demand higher salary and only play half the season.

Better sign up more foreign players to your squad or non internationals. Better value for money.

If you look at a lot of premiership rugby clubs squads now most have at least 15 foreign players in their squad.
73
15/01/2021 15:23:59 2 11
bbc
It seems the dismantling of Saracens continues apace ... its really such a shame as everyone was/is cheating in some way. Still the eleventh commandment applies at all times
93
15/01/2021 16:46:33 4 2
bbc
In logic, this is known as the 'You also' fallacy. Someone (in this case you) claims that everyone else is at it without producing any evidence this is true. Often used (as you are) as a red herring to deflect attention away from who really was at it. Salarysins.
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15/01/2021 16:46:42 5 2
bbc
Straight talker who will have learnt a lot from MM. I would have thought well suited to Sale's current side apart perhaps from sicknote. Being the lead instead of the deputy, challenging ..... Good luck to him.
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15/01/2021 16:36:44 1 2
bbc
So you can't see that being the first Muslim to be the head coach of a major American Football team isn't news worthy given the state of politics in America at present? You faux outrage is laughable.
95
15/01/2021 16:53:33 1 1
bbc
No, I just can't see why a particular religion is forever mentioned when it has nothing to do with story being reported. Most people couldn't care less about a person's religion (including myself) but the way the media keep on reporting it is as though the vast majority are always against them. Those of all religions are sometimes persecuted for their beliefs but the media only report certain ones
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15/01/2021 17:13:16 0 1
bbc
But that's the point, in America at this particular time it's a big deal just as it was when Art Shell became the first black American to be a head coach in the modern era.
81
15/01/2021 15:50:40 3 3
bbc
I dont know about the Sale fans but, the decision to scrap the last 2 rounds of the Champions League has made an even bigger mockery out of the competition. We now have a team with ONE POINT into the playoffs. The organizers look like dolts - they should have made it simple. The Top 16 teams with the most points would contest the knockout stages.
96
15/01/2021 16:54:01 8 3
bbc
Surely the French teams should have been deemed to be defeated 28-0 having failed to fulfil their fixtures
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15/01/2021 20:36:30 4 1
bbc
Quite right a hollow contest now designed to allow a french winner !
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16/01/2021 14:56:08 0 0
bbc
No, because it was the EPCR who cancelled the games, after a decision from the French government. You can't really punish sides when the organisers call off the games.
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15/01/2021 13:38:17 6 11
bbc
It is a great choice and a perfect fit. He should lose the Saracens tag as fast as possible. Recommend he only talks about Sale and integrity, honesty, openness, hard work, plus do not recruit loads of Saracens players. Good luck to him.
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15/01/2021 16:58:12 0 1
bbc
Sarries don't have too many Saffers
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15/01/2021 17:42:05 1 1
bbc
It's true that Sarries don't have to many Saffers.But as Alex Sanderson himself said a while ago "The haters are going to hate..."
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15/01/2021 14:10:44 1 15
bbc
Very fair. What conclusions can you reach about coaches who benefitted from cheating on an industrial scale over many years? Every year they cheated, the benefit multiplied as their spending on players compounded, their cheating advantage grew exponentially. The Saracens Way.
98
15/01/2021 17:02:01 1 1
bbc
Just like to let you know when the rugby community were fund raising for my daughter-in-law and grandson Nigel Wray was one of those to put his hand in his pocket
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15/01/2021 17:09:07 0 2
bbc
I bet most people who are talking about Nigel Wray haven't even met the man. Nigel has made mistakes, done things he shouldn't have but he's done a lot of positive things as well.

My biggest criticism of Saracens in general is their obsession with Owen Farrell. He's become bigger than the club itself. Saracens would probably sell off every other player to keep him.
Well that's nice of him - and there are many great philanthropists today and in history. Colston, Saville, Epstein, Uihlein ...

Not that Wray is that bad. He has merely overseen and enabled long term cheating by a rugby club. Just to point out that an act of charity doesn't justify your other actions
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98
15/01/2021 17:02:01 1 1
bbc
Just like to let you know when the rugby community were fund raising for my daughter-in-law and grandson Nigel Wray was one of those to put his hand in his pocket
99
15/01/2021 17:09:07 0 2
bbc
I bet most people who are talking about Nigel Wray haven't even met the man. Nigel has made mistakes, done things he shouldn't have but he's done a lot of positive things as well.

My biggest criticism of Saracens in general is their obsession with Owen Farrell. He's become bigger than the club itself. Saracens would probably sell off every other player to keep him.
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15/01/2021 16:53:33 1 1
bbc
No, I just can't see why a particular religion is forever mentioned when it has nothing to do with story being reported. Most people couldn't care less about a person's religion (including myself) but the way the media keep on reporting it is as though the vast majority are always against them. Those of all religions are sometimes persecuted for their beliefs but the media only report certain ones
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15/01/2021 17:13:16 0 1
bbc
But that's the point, in America at this particular time it's a big deal just as it was when Art Shell became the first black American to be a head coach in the modern era.
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15/01/2021 18:14:02 1 1
bbc
But who says it's a big deal ? How many people are really bothered about the religion of the coach at their club ? I reckon very few. Yet because one fan might make an adverse comment then the media still make it a big news item when the vast majority couldn't care less. By doing so it makes the subject appear of far greater importance than it really is to the vast majority of people.