Covid-19: We can make this the peak by following rules, says Hancock
13/01/2021 | news | uk | 2,131
The health secretary urges people to follow rules, saying "individual decisions" make a difference.
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13/01/2021 10:31:09 231 86
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On 19th March last year, Bojo said “I think we can turn the tide in 12 weeks” and “send the coronavirus packing in this country.”

Seventy four thousand deaths later, and with the UK only just deciding to test people at the border, it will be interesting to see what optimistic bluster Bojo will be telling MPs today.
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13/01/2021 10:35:57 148 80
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No, no - don't use facts. It upsets the hardline (but not the moderate or reasonable) Tories & Brexiters. BoJo is perfect and everything he does it perfect, otherwise you're a traitor and/or you hate democracy and/or you just talk lefty nonsense garbage.

Leave the facts alone, and just stick with soundbites like "catch it, bin it, kill it" or "pick, lick, roll, flick"
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13/01/2021 10:40:25 24 14
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So it’s ‘Bojo’ is it? Whatever our politics, some respect perhaps needed? We only have to look at the US to see where breakdown of even basic respect for other people ends.
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13/01/2021 10:50:58 18 30
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What a dreadful thing to say anyone would think you believe he is causing the COVID He is doing his best by asking people to be sensible Well done Boris
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Bob
13/01/2021 10:56:29 8 4
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'I think'

do you know what that means?
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13/01/2021 11:04:07 10 4
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That's right.
And he has screwed it up in Mexico, Tunisia, Portugal...
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13/01/2021 11:24:43 6 6
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Boris, like trump was used by his party for popular appeal. Neither the Republicans or the Tories realised totally what clowns they were electing. now they do, their parties will get rid as quick as they can. Republicans seemingly backing impeachment so they never see trump again. The Tories will follow suit now as they know Boris cannot in anyway unite the divide country as he is too toxic.
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13/01/2021 11:31:35 5 2
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The tide did indeed turn in 12 weeks. BUT then people were allowed, no encouraged to go to restaurants, universities opened, schools did and the general concensus was it was all fine and dandy. THAT is where the real problmes just began.
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13/01/2021 11:33:59 2 3
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YOU SHOW YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE!! HE , and NOBODY ELSE KNEW WHERE THIS BUG WAS GOING!! THEN IF YOU WANT?? IF THEY HAD DONE AS YOU SAY?? THE PUBLIC WOULD HAVE GONE BALLISTIC!! SAYING YOU ARE ATTACKING, our FREEDOM,, THOUSANDS WENT ON HOL?? THAT DID NOT MATTER,, AND THOUSANDS STILL DO NOT ISOLATE,OR KEEP TO THE RULES...IE, MASKS?? RAVES ,ETC???
13/01/2021 12:11:51 2 3
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What is that 74,000? Covid deaths, excess deaths? 'With Covid' 'of Covid' ' within 28 weeks of a +ve test' ? When did they occur? If talking of 'all cause excess mortality' then there are around 80,000 of them in the UK, 72,000+ occurred 10 months ago & 15,000 of them were not covid related but 'lock-down' related thanks to effectively shutting down the NHS to 'save it' Try more in depth study.
13/01/2021 12:19:53 2 0
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He will tell MPs that people like you did not do as you were told.
13/01/2021 12:27:07 2 3
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BoJo isn't the one spreading the virus around the country. It's the thousands of idiots who consistently refuse to do as he asked and was entitled to expect.
13/01/2021 12:29:11 1 1
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a lot of other countries thought the same, your point.
13/01/2021 12:43:06 0 0
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Testing people at the border has some merits but its not much of a barrier. A test will not show the person doesn't the virus. People carry the virus and incubate it for days before they test positive. It was even worse with the original test as it took a day or so to give a result. It's quite possible that by the time the negative result arrived the patient was highly contagious.
13/01/2021 12:32:17 0 0
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millions fly into UK obviously will import new strains and mutations of Covid especially to London first....don't even need to be a scientists to know that
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13/01/2021 10:31:59 102 51
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Have we reached “Peak” Government incompetence and stupidity ?

No, I’m quite sure we have not !
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13/01/2021 10:34:38 64 55
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2.4 million vaccines and counting. Such incompetence gets my vote.
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Bob
13/01/2021 10:58:11 4 4
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You can't blame everyone for your mess.
13/01/2021 12:58:39 1 2
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Look on the bright side, our leaders aren't quite as mad as Europe's leaders.
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13/01/2021 10:32:18 359 21
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It’s in times like this we should rue the divisions that have been sown for many years by powers that be who exploit them (e.g. past/present politicians and media outlets).

Many problems right now with getting everyone on board and looking out for one another stems from a society where rather than cooperating, we just fight and blame each other, but actually those sowing divisions are at fault.
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13/01/2021 10:38:21 109 85
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Grownups can disagree without descending to fighting. I would not blame the media outlets, they are the channel not the instigator. I would blame influencers, these include foreign powers, for trying to stir up division, but also anyone who rabidly believes and promotes a dogmatic way of thinking and declines to engage in research and reasoned discussion. The education system is at fault.
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13/01/2021 10:41:14 36 2
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Indeed, the tribalism, be it political, racial, or even down to which town you live in is being egged on by an ever more tribal set of media outlets, taking one side or the other.

In fact I have only seen one topic that has united the media, and sadly it's not (as it should be) the pandemic and how we should pull together to over come it.
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13/01/2021 10:44:07 46 49
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Years of right wing indoctrination are the root problem. We've been told that individual rights are everything, that there's no such thing as society, that government should be small and out of the way, that interference was nanny statism, and that anyone who wanted to act for the benefit of society as a whole was not doing so for good reasons and should be feared and reviled.
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13/01/2021 10:45:41 57 9
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Populism in the west (UK, USA, France etc) has resulted in lots of us vs them, hell post Brexit one of the most common comments on here was "we won, get over it".... literally a us v them and this has just been compounded of years of brexit negotiations. Unfortunately some groups have seized on this to get people into the anti-vax or anti-lockdown movements. Our society has become socially toxic.
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13/01/2021 10:46:48 24 13
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I mentioned this yesterday and my post got moderated.

We can't help ourselves with pointing out differences and although this government keep saying they want to unite the nation, they play on it.

If they didn't, we might start blaming them!
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13/01/2021 10:50:23 31 2
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Sadly, many of the divisions arise from a complete distrust in what our elected representatives say and the widely held belief that very many politicians put personal interests and those of their party before the national interest...
The political problems current in the US arise out of the same issue.
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13/01/2021 10:51:13 29 16
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Politicians thrive from division. Divide and conquer is the tory way. Who can forget "theres no such thing as society".
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13/01/2021 10:54:55 27 20
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You needn't look further than Sturgeon and Drakeford who push divisiveness with every breath
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13/01/2021 10:56:03 8 2
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Best message that I have read for a long while. Thank you
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13/01/2021 10:58:38 6 2
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Certainly the division is played upon by media if bleeds it leads, played upon by politicians in identity politics, the industry of apparently caring organisations promoting one groups special interests whilst ignoring the same issues in other groups causing more division. If you've not got a label in this sad game you're ignored and disenfranchised.
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13/01/2021 11:06:44 12 1
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I agree but its scary to see how many people respond to your message by saying "yes, we are divided and I blame the people who don't think like me!!"

Many people refuse to see that dangerous right wing populism is a kick back against the liberal orthodoxy of the elite, which may be well meaning, but can be just as aggressive and tyrannical (just ask J K Rowling).
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13/01/2021 11:09:32 7 5
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Can I suggest that the massive inequality in income and wealth in this class ridden little country might just have something to do with it?
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13/01/2021 11:14:44 4 2
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Stop fptp, you need true democracy! Your post-feudal district voting leads to two-party systems - take heed from the usa.
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SJ
13/01/2021 11:22:24 3 1
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Yes. And the worst offenders are those who lie or mislead. Let's stop the lying in politics.
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13/01/2021 11:24:52 4 3
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I agree to a very great extent. When I look at these HYS, I mostly see personal attacks and slurs on the government - generally unconnected to the story being presented. This leads invariably to retaliatory insults and abuse against the opposite 'team'. Its vapid nastiness, utterly empty viewpoints but also quite plainly intended solely to create opinion rather than to express it.
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13/01/2021 11:38:42 4 2
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As in the states winning and making a name is way more important than doing good

BJ and his pals are largely shunned by the serious talented conservatives - they expected him to screw up and they are not commenting

He won't be PM next year
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13/01/2021 11:39:15 2 2
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it is at times like this we should rue the politicization & dumbing down of education, anyone who has even a basic scientific or mathematical education can compare the Covid Cult rhetoric with the most basic of facts, Mortality, all cause, and see that we have had 5 years of falling mortality so a larger elderly population now dying in numbers equivalent to 10 or so years ago from a new virus.
Were/are past and present divisions and intolerance of opposite views sown and exploited by a free media?
Or were/are they exploited by people who reject the concept of a free media? By those who in the past burnt books or only allowed state controlled propaganda? By those at present who urge people to reject any report they disagree with as "fake news" or "biased reporting"?
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13/01/2021 10:32:43 28 13
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This will only work if EVERYONE follows the rules so come on folks, think of your fellow human being.
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13/01/2021 10:35:55 0 10
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And what about vaccinations ????????????????????????
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13/01/2021 10:37:33 2 6
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That is very well, but the rules are nonsensical in terms of epidemiology. The top three transmission sources are, in order, schools, workplaces and hospitality venues. Yes, pubs are shut as are some workplaces, but schools are still rammed as apparently everyone is a 'key worker' now.

The government is just trying to blame its own incompetence on the public.
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13/01/2021 10:38:43 2 5
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Hancock has got it down to a fine art; convincing the plebs blame each other for his failure.
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13/01/2021 10:39:21 1 7
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You might want to check with Johnson driving out of his local area to go for a bike ride

The fish rots from the head down, as they say
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13/01/2021 11:32:46 1 2
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Does that include Bunter and Cummings this time, then?
13/01/2021 13:16:36 0 0
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how can anyone with a brain vote this comment down.....
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13/01/2021 10:33:16 13 11
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I still don't get why construction sites are open when they were shut in lockdown one. Would seem a perfect Covid breeding ground to me.
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13/01/2021 10:35:50 13 3
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It appears to me from the noise traffic ,etc that no one is ahdering to lockdown
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13/01/2021 10:38:35 5 1
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Maybe because you cant WFH on building site....and as many are self employed then the standard furlough scheme does not work either...
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13/01/2021 10:40:20 4 2
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Maybe research how many people on those sites have it and are off sick? And I don't see anyone being held at gunpoint to work either so what would you rather they do jack in work and claim benefits
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13/01/2021 10:44:43 4 2
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They weren't shut in lockdown one. Some contractors decided to shut down while they put covid compliant measures in place but not all closed. I was working on a site for one of the biggest contractors in the UK and not one of their sites closed; but I agree the government should close them.
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13/01/2021 10:33:34 89 32
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At least he didn't pretend to cry in this interview.
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13/01/2021 10:59:37 37 71
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Disingenuous nasty comment.
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13/01/2021 11:03:13 9 15
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You sad individual
13/01/2021 13:55:16 1 0
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I have never seen someone smirk so much while pretending to cry, he is a truly nasty man. He needs to go...but then so do all the Tories.
"People shouldn't take the mickey out of the rules."

Given the rules he is referring to. Wouldn't Hancock's message resonate more with the public if he had said: "People shouldn't take the Dominic out of the rules."
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13/01/2021 10:41:17 13 17
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lol, still waffling about Cummings. I scent desperation from our remoaner friends.
13/01/2021 12:48:03 0 0
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Dominic is still not following rules
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13/01/2021 10:33:38 128 60
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This is hopefully the peak.
Of governmental ineptitude, incompetance and one rule for them.
2.4 million vaccines and counting. Just think, in a few weeks we can sit here safely while watching the EU sink into its pandemic. Removed
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13/01/2021 11:20:16 2 13
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Another bitter lefty...... of course St Jeremy or Sir Starmer would have developed a vaccine and innocculated the entire country by the end of 2020. Hope you happy with your prejudice.
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13/01/2021 11:41:04 2 6
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AND ANOTHER KNOW IT ALL ,,LETS HEAR YOUR MAGIC PLAN !! it might get us back to normal quicker??? But remember its not just us!! its the whole world!! THE ONLY BEING THAT COULD STOP THIS ,(IS GOD HIMSELF) NO OTHER BEING CAN.
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13/01/2021 11:46:24 1 2
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The peak of the second wave of the epidemic, which first took off with a vengeance in S. Wales, appears to have passed there in the week 16-23 Dec., BEFORE the crackdown on 20th. Ignoring the apparent spike that was no more than an accounting blip by PHW, the infection rates have been steadily falling ever since. They are still too high, but give some cause for hope. Let's embrace it.
13/01/2021 12:07:03 1 1
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Not to mention the ineptitude and incompetence of the minority of the British public who have passed on the virus until it has killed their grandparents and parents.
13/01/2021 12:35:11 0 2
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The mortality per 100,000 has just reached that for 2010, it has yet to reach that for 2000 - 2009, try ONS, I've not looked back further. Anyone remember the lock-downs in 2000-2009? No, nor do I. Anyone remember the NHS saying 'we are being overwhelmed?' You should do, they've say it every Flu season.
13/01/2021 12:34:32 1 1
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They are pretty stupid not to copy how China handled covid...clearly you have to test at borders
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13/01/2021 10:33:43 46 27
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Of course it’ll have nothing to do with winter coming to an end will it?
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13/01/2021 10:37:44 32 30
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Exactly. They will be quick to claim lockdown worked when in reality it's a seasonal virus doing what viruses do.
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13/01/2021 10:44:59 14 2
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I'm not sure if you know but winter is from December to March so not coming to an end is it? Just a reminder that the first wave was during a particularly hot Spring last year
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13/01/2021 11:21:26 4 2
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you can look forward to interviews with Ioannides at Stamford , Knut Wittorski , Sumption , the signatories of the Barrington declaration , bound to be on the BBC
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13/01/2021 11:32:30 3 1
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Combination of factors, seasonality being one. The concern is the muppets who will deem the virus to have gone when the numbers drop.
I'll be lining up to get my annual flu/covid jabs next winter. Virus is going nowhere soon.
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13/01/2021 12:00:53 2 3
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I PERSONALLY! seem to remember every year ,,,, the WINTER FLUE BUG???PROBLEM... NOW EVERY THING IS RUBBER STAMPED (COVID19) AND ALLS O/K
13/01/2021 12:38:16 1 0
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EU is cold this time of year so yeah it spreads faster
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13/01/2021 10:33:46 35 24
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An absolute disaster of a health secretary
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13/01/2021 10:35:49 26 13
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In fairness to Hancock when you see Patel “it’s very clear but I don’t understand them”, Williamson (where’s Wally) and Johnson “go out but don’t go out but go out”...he is starting to look mercurial by association. But yes still worse ever
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13/01/2021 10:37:03 9 3
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Little difference to the whole of the cabinet, when you surround yourself with half witted extremist sycophants then you have to live with the consequences.
13/01/2021 12:47:23 0 0
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doubt he has the power to shut borders
13/01/2021 13:04:32 0 0
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Which qualified him for a seat on this Cabinet of disasters.
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13/01/2021 10:34:06 243 76
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Yes just like "3 weeks to flatten the curve". Send Covid packing in 12 weeks. Normality by November. A normal Christmas. Heard it all before. I don't believe a word he says.
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13/01/2021 10:56:07 118 92
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OK, so if he said,

Were all doomed, this will takes years, the vaccine may or may not work and we don't know for how long, this is the new normal now

You would complain that his speech wasn't positive and motivating for the country.

He's got to say something, and its so easy to complain without any idea what the actual issue is or how to fix it.
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13/01/2021 10:56:08 10 6
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nobody else does either....
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13/01/2021 11:36:41 9 15
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AS YOU ARE SO!! CLEVER !! PLEASE TELL THE WORLD WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE DONE??? THEN WE CAN STOP VACCINATIONS!! AND GET BACK TO NORMAL IN A WEEK OR TWO????
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13/01/2021 11:49:32 8 1
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Did anyone truly believe last March that it would over in 3 months??
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13/01/2021 12:05:13 2 2
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Exactly. Last night on the ITV news they stated it will be 4 weeks before the peak. They then stated people who are testing positive now could be ill in hospital with severe Covid-19 in 4 weeks....
13/01/2021 12:07:42 0 2
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Amen
13/01/2021 12:17:29 0 2
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Just do as your told.
13/01/2021 12:21:20 1 1
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Probably something to do with the new virulent strain
13/01/2021 12:27:11 2 0
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World wide problem, everyone struggling, complaining about something no one is mastering is not going to solve anything.
13/01/2021 12:39:13 0 1
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Agree. I don't believe a word any of them say anymore. We have our own Trump now, Bojo banginig on about Chinese medicine. I bet Hanjob must be fed up covering for him and his cronies.
13/01/2021 12:34:00 1 0
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Bojo keeps airports open and borders ...no covid testing still
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13/01/2021 10:34:31 18 13
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Close coffee shops, garden centres, DIY shops and places of worship.NOW
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13/01/2021 10:36:43 7 9
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Can we assume that's because you don't normally visit those places anyway ?

As long as you are not affected then close them down !
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13/01/2021 10:38:11 1 5
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er churches all over the country have been closed for months and capitols dont make you sound more important
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13/01/2021 10:38:51 2 5
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Why? What difference would that make? Please explain using analysis rather than pithy slogans
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13/01/2021 10:50:01 2 2
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Imagine DIY and Trade centres were closed and you had a gas leak; every plumber you call can't do anything about it but turn off your mains supply because they can't get the materials needed to repair it.

Apply the same to your water supply. You'd be the first to tell them to reopen.
13/01/2021 13:33:32 0 0
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yet keep passenger flights going and no testing at borders
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13/01/2021 10:34:33 18 15
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in less than 9 months, nearly 100000 COVID deaths in hands of this guy, if he works in China, he would be sent straight in jail

end of

poor brits, well, you voted for this mess
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13/01/2021 10:36:52 16 6
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Unfortunately if it was not for China no one would be in the mess,
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13/01/2021 10:37:55 6 3
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Troll Alert, this guy sorry sorry sorry lives in China, he loves to insult the Brits, not a nice person...
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13/01/2021 10:38:04 6 5
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1,000 died yesterday in Germany - a known EU nation. You'd better start having a go at Merkel. And as for Italy....
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13/01/2021 10:39:30 1 4
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up the meds , deaths nothing like that
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13/01/2021 10:41:23 6 1
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in china it would be reported as 1000 deaths
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13/01/2021 10:48:33 3 2
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Can you explain how Labour would have done things better? They criticise but they never actually say what they would have done. And we are far short of 100,000 deaths. People who put this kind of exaggeration into the public domain only serve to frighten people who are already scared witless.
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13/01/2021 10:55:27 1 1
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Last time I looked it was under 750000, sure you are not quoting figures from China
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13/01/2021 12:01:28 2 1
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Oh dear oh dear the Chinese vaccine is only 50% effective.
The poor Chinese I do feel sorry for them for having such incompetent leaders.
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13/01/2021 10:34:33 14 16
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Stop blond people riding bikes and going for walks with cups of coffee. Stick to the rules!
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13/01/2021 10:37:07 6 6
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Which rules are being broken? Please explain.
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13/01/2021 10:38:29 5 1
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They are sticking to the rules as in England it's just "stay local", which can mean anything.
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13/01/2021 10:38:32 1 1
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The pm is blond, the two pouting soccer wives are blonde...
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13/01/2021 10:40:39 7 1
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and morons having parties and not waring masks and walking round in groups
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13/01/2021 10:43:48 1 1
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But let the brunettes and redheads do what they like?
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13/01/2021 10:34:38 34 19
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"We can make this the peak" of the coronavirus pandemic "if enough people follow the rules", Health Secretary Matt Hancock has said.
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Surprising what you can do by juggling the figures.
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13/01/2021 10:36:38 20 22
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NHS figures are juggled, are they? You know this, do you?
13/01/2021 12:43:40 0 1
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And now they're 'offering' 15m jabs by mof Feb, not actually doing them. The current rate seems impressive but it won't come anywhere near achieving the original promise of last week.
13/01/2021 12:40:26 1 0
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what rules. you can fly in and out of the country never mind not being allowed to go to the park 5 miles away
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13/01/2021 10:31:59 102 51
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Have we reached “Peak” Government incompetence and stupidity ?

No, I’m quite sure we have not !
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13/01/2021 10:34:38 64 55
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2.4 million vaccines and counting. Such incompetence gets my vote.
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13/01/2021 10:47:34 23 9
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80,000 dead, top 3 death rate in the world. Meanwhile in Australia, New Zealand, China, Singapore, etc life is back to normal. Vaccines is a great start but truly world beating would be delivering 2 million vaccinations a week not just talking about it (plenty of broken promises). Also how about a gov who delivers £5 of food for £30 food vouchers. Not exactly competent is it?
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13/01/2021 10:50:34 21 7
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More deaths than any other country in Europe and counting. Such incompetence gets my vo... Oh wait.
Almost 100,000 excess British deaths gets your vote?
13/01/2021 12:08:15 4 4
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That's impressive - but nowhere near what Johnson promised: 15m will take until July. If he'd underpromise and overdeliver just once he might get some brief respect. The vaccination programme will roll out despite Johnson & Co., not because of.
13/01/2021 12:37:24 0 0
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vaccine won't stop transmission and mutations. They need to test for covid at borders
13/01/2021 13:58:40 1 0
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...and one of the highest death rates in the world, and we are a island for goodness sake. They have miss managed it from the start. If they can't offload the contracts to a mate they aren't interested.
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13/01/2021 10:34:41 15 12
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I’m sure Hancock has the ability of making a bigger peak.
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13/01/2021 10:35:53 3 16
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Could you explain that nonsense? Actually, don't even try.
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13/01/2021 10:34:50 8 11
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If we keep vaccinating as we are doing hopefully so, but the new variant seems so much more contagious clearly lockdown isn't as effective against the virus as its was before.
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13/01/2021 10:37:17 8 2
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It's a lockdown in name only this time around. Just look at the traffic on the roads, the shops open this time that weren't last time etc. That's why it's not as effective.
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13/01/2021 10:37:33 4 1
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Only because of human behaviour, follow the advice and be careful, things will improve. Continue to break or "bend" the rules to suit ourselves, we are lost
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13/01/2021 10:40:46 0 5
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Lockdowns are not effective, 20+ published papers from across the globe state that.
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13/01/2021 10:41:42 1 2
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Cases were rising in regions before the new variant was present there

The Tier system was failing once schools opened
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13/01/2021 10:46:22 0 2
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They have just said the new variant is probably 30-50% more transmissible and not 70% as previously thought. We now test around 600,000 a day so the proportion of new cases is roughly the same as last Spring. More people are going to hospital because they have been scared into doing so. Our vaccination programme is the best in the world but give them a chance - it's unprecedented.
13/01/2021 13:39:54 0 0
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vaccine doesn't stop transmission. future will be tests at airports before travel
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13/01/2021 10:35:32 27 11
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Vibes of previous promises, let's hope this time these shysters are actually going to deliver.
13/01/2021 12:15:11 2 7
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YOUR COMMENT SHYSTERS IS AT BEST DISGUSTING,,Can you do better?? if so lets see you.
Pip
13/01/2021 12:22:20 0 1
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Not holding my breath.........?
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13/01/2021 10:35:33 233 23
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Why were those protesting in Cardiff yesterday allowed to do so, yet two ladies walking in Derbyshire get fixed penalty fines? Don't just police those that can be policed.
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13/01/2021 10:37:44 148 57
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You know why, and BBC won’t allow you to say why
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13/01/2021 10:41:29 78 21
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Because certain types of protests are OK, others not so much.

Any protest that fits the new agenda of division, OK.

Anything that promotes liberty. Not OK.
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13/01/2021 10:43:03 24 32
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Because it's far easier to arrest two people than a few hundred people and risk a riot.

I don't agree with the Derbyshire two, but I can understand why they let the Cardiff protest go.
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CJR
13/01/2021 10:43:44 46 24
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Oh you mean the staged act those 2 set up, just like in Bristol on the park bench.
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Bob
13/01/2021 10:57:28 14 12
bbc
Ask each police force?

but the main problem here is - the police force don't even know what the rules are anymore
560
13/01/2021 11:25:12 11 5
bbc
Fixed penalty fines that have been cancelled and the Police have apologized. What more do you want? Have you never made a mistake in your job?
On the whole police are doing a good job in difficult times
592
13/01/2021 11:27:57 3 10
bbc
depends on which ( POLICE) gestapo you fall under?? this is only a reference, to the attitudes os the force??
609
13/01/2021 11:29:33 6 10
bbc
The police don't know whether they're shot, screwed or snake-bitten. The fact is your average copper these days is not very bright (like it or not - it's a fact). Give them a yellow vest, some pepper spray and a list of new "rules" (not laws, note) and it's a recipe for disaster.

Sooner this is over and they can get back to catching real criminals, the better.
712
13/01/2021 11:40:14 19 4
bbc
Can you imagine what would have happened if those 2 ladies in Derbyshire were black?

Mass protests, cops suspended and the BBC throwing all their toys out of the pram!

And I can say that because I'm mixed race!
758
13/01/2021 11:43:35 3 2
bbc
The simple answer to this is that different forces are taking different approaches to policing these rules. Some are following the letter of the rules and ignoring the guidance altogether. Some are treating the guidance as if it were law (it isn't). And some seem to be taking the attitude that it's all to complicated for them. To avoid this there should be hard and fast laws and no extra guidance.
800
13/01/2021 11:42:41 3 4
bbc
Agree, the Police are spineless.
926
13/01/2021 11:59:04 6 1
bbc
You have to think what is the point of electing Police & Crime Commissioners if they are not going to question the actions or inactions of Chief Constables. And question them loudly.

The march in Wales was reckless and people should have been punished. The reaction towards the ladies out walking was disproportionate in comparison.
13/01/2021 12:18:38 4 1
bbc
Ah yes; all those people carrying placards printed & distributed by the Socialist Party.
That's the insurrectionist Trotskyists who used to be called Militant.
13/01/2021 12:32:38 0 0
bbc
Cardiff is in a different country
13/01/2021 13:09:04 0 0
bbc
The police acted were wrongly policing an outdoor area where it is possible these two ladies were the only ones for miles around. To describe holding a coffee cup as having a picnic was idiotic. Priti Patel should support the police but apologise for them reaching an illogical & incorrect conclusion. No apology for the gross error of judgement means no respect & so feeds an irrelevant story.
13/01/2021 13:32:29 1 1
bbc
Sadly because the media only caters for the left agenda these days so they're able to get away with what they want. They'll soon get away with murder the way things are going
13/01/2021 14:00:05 0 0
bbc
The idiots protesting in Cardiff should at least wait to get the facts before doing anything. But I guess that would not fit their agenda.
10
13/01/2021 10:33:46 35 24
bbc
An absolute disaster of a health secretary
21
13/01/2021 10:35:49 26 13
bbc
In fairness to Hancock when you see Patel “it’s very clear but I don’t understand them”, Williamson (where’s Wally) and Johnson “go out but don’t go out but go out”...he is starting to look mercurial by association. But yes still worse ever
145
13/01/2021 10:46:31 4 8
bbc
Could be worse, we could have had Diane Abbott...
5
13/01/2021 10:33:16 13 11
bbc
I still don't get why construction sites are open when they were shut in lockdown one. Would seem a perfect Covid breeding ground to me.
22
13/01/2021 10:35:50 13 3
bbc
It appears to me from the noise traffic ,etc that no one is ahdering to lockdown
17
13/01/2021 10:34:41 15 12
bbc
I’m sure Hancock has the ability of making a bigger peak.
23
13/01/2021 10:35:53 3 16
bbc
Could you explain that nonsense? Actually, don't even try.
58
13/01/2021 10:38:41 5 4
bbc
You don’t follow? Why doesn’t that surprise me.
Pip
13/01/2021 12:26:55 1 0
bbc
Sir Royston the Troll' being down voted as usual...........?
4
13/01/2021 10:32:43 28 13
bbc
This will only work if EVERYONE follows the rules so come on folks, think of your fellow human being.
24
13/01/2021 10:35:55 0 10
bbc
And what about vaccinations ????????????????????????
678
13/01/2021 11:36:58 1 1
bbc
What about them?
1
13/01/2021 10:31:09 231 86
bbc
On 19th March last year, Bojo said “I think we can turn the tide in 12 weeks” and “send the coronavirus packing in this country.”

Seventy four thousand deaths later, and with the UK only just deciding to test people at the border, it will be interesting to see what optimistic bluster Bojo will be telling MPs today.
25
13/01/2021 10:35:57 148 80
bbc
No, no - don't use facts. It upsets the hardline (but not the moderate or reasonable) Tories & Brexiters. BoJo is perfect and everything he does it perfect, otherwise you're a traitor and/or you hate democracy and/or you just talk lefty nonsense garbage.

Leave the facts alone, and just stick with soundbites like "catch it, bin it, kill it" or "pick, lick, roll, flick"
80
13/01/2021 10:40:32 24 21
bbc
Spot on. Johnson =Trump.
165
13/01/2021 10:48:16 11 4
bbc
'pick, lick, roll, flick' not heard that for ages. Thanks for giving me a chuckle.
245
13/01/2021 10:55:29 15 9
bbc
Had to shoehorn Brexit in, didn't ya?!

Might need to see a professional about that hang up.
401
13/01/2021 11:07:21 13 11
bbc
Day by day moderate Tories are getting more and more frustrated by BJ and his incompetence, he will be forced out at some point.
475
13/01/2021 11:14:45 4 2
bbc
The trouble with sound bites is that they are a 'go to' for politicians where they can avoid saying anything realistic instead. Sprinkle the sound bites with quotes from the classical languages and you are fit to govern the country even if you have no idea how to do so. Sound bites should be consigned to where the 'sun don't shine'.
573
13/01/2021 11:26:27 11 5
bbc
The Coronavirus is well under control in Europe I see. Not !
Nobody knows how to sort this thing out, the Scientist's have made progress yes, but there may still be a lot to learn.

If you think we are doing badly, and I think we are, console yourselves by looking at the European statistics, oh and don't forget to hide your ham sandwich !
13/01/2021 12:10:32 0 2
bbc
Surprised you had time to comment. Aren't you supposed to be worshiping JOB on LBC between 10-2?
13/01/2021 12:44:36 1 0
bbc
So true,it's like the Tory press,a man sent to save us from Europe,give us a great deal,friend of the UK Trump!! Remember the exp saying his voters were our kind of people! image these people at the Tory conf cheering Patel!!!
13/01/2021 13:08:37 1 0
bbc
Catch it bin it kill it started in 2007, so you might have to edit your post :)
26
13/01/2021 10:36:03 77 46
bbc
The NHS is a crumbling mess and Hancock is the pillock to blame.

I give thanks to all those on the front line working their hardest day in day out and this is no way a reflection on you.

Hancock is out of his depth and I only hope he and Boris doesn't cock up the vaccination roll out next. It doesn't fill me with hope when they're already talking about and canceling second doses.
115
13/01/2021 10:43:43 83 32
bbc
The NHS is a crumbling mess because there are too many people using it and not enough contributing. It's simple math and has been thus for many years. The problem has not been caused by Matt Hancock or indeed any of his predecessors (either Conservative or Labour). He is just unlucky enough to be the incumbent during this crisis. NHS staff work amazingly hard but the system is broken.
346
13/01/2021 11:02:33 10 5
bbc
NHS is a mess because decades of neglect by those now most in need of it.

Their demand to pay private contractors twice as much as it would do for a public servant to fill the role due their hatred of the civil service. Means more and more qualified nurses now work private due to the huge wage disparity between the sectors. Ironic as it is still their taxes paying these private wages.
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Owl
13/01/2021 11:28:03 4 9
bbc
Matt " Hapless" Hancock & Gavin " Winging it"Williamson have shown that their Departments of Health & Education need to be run by people with the experience & expertise in the & not a job for the cronyism within The UK Government run by someone who doesn't have a clue about how ordinary people live their lives & has bull*****ed & lied again & again . His Mantra has been so as I say not as I do.
662
13/01/2021 11:34:23 2 7
bbc
TOTAL STUPID RUBBISH
968
13/01/2021 12:04:18 5 0
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YOU ARE WRONG!! THEY DID NOT SAY THEY WERE CANCELLING!! THEY DID SAY THEY WERE DELAYING THE 2Nd, JAB to allow for a faster coverage of the FIRST JAB,, SEAMS SENSIBLE AT PRESENT!!
Pip
13/01/2021 12:20:25 0 1
bbc
There's a Vaccine Minister and his newly formed Warren Medical Ltd., company in the wings already to help out when the expected cock up rolls out........?
13/01/2021 12:31:49 3 0
bbc
More vaccinations than the whole of Europe combined - just terrible!
13/01/2021 12:38:41 0 3
bbc
he is shafting the NHS just to keep borders open without testing
27
13/01/2021 10:36:09 9 10
bbc
We must all work together to beat this, that includes Johnson, Starmer, Sturgeon, Drakeford and Foster... Show leadership, stop the back biting just for a while, and we will see results....
63
13/01/2021 10:39:14 5 3
bbc
Mmmm, generally the opposition have been supportive IMV including voting in most if not all areas. As has been proven with these charlatans they can't be left unchallenged.
106
13/01/2021 10:42:57 2 1
bbc
If we have a sensible set of rules and apply them we might get results. This would mean discussion and co-operation. Referring to anyone making alternative suggestions and valid criticism as "back biting" is hardly constructive.
28
13/01/2021 10:36:09 115 47
bbc
Wasn't this thing supposed to have been all sorted by last summer? Every message is the same "if we all work together, we'll see light at the end of the tunnel..."; repeated ad nauseum every month or two. Just total hogwash.
52
13/01/2021 10:38:34 136 39
bbc
blame the clowns who don't follow the rules
60
13/01/2021 10:38:51 20 15
bbc
Not Hogwash, follow the advice & things will get better, simple as that...
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JGC
13/01/2021 10:39:12 12 18
bbc
Yes. Always the promise of back to normal in 3 to 6 months time. It's just that the goal posts then get moved to justify restrictions for another 3 months. Presumably because the Government finds it much easier to govern if they can introduce laws that take effect immediately and not have to bother with that pesky parliament and MPs.
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CJR
13/01/2021 10:41:54 7 15
bbc
Yep if people had followed the rules, there was not different strains of Covid appearing, just maybe
193
13/01/2021 10:50:48 18 10
bbc
Sadly the public couldn't work together could they. What else could the Govt' do but plead for commonsense which, clearly, the rank and file haven't got. They are still breaking the rules and will continue to do so because it is a national, 'we know best' attitude.
211
13/01/2021 10:52:22 13 14
bbc
Stop blaming others and do as you are asked and it might happen.
606
13/01/2021 11:29:10 6 4
bbc
It is people who make comments like yours that are causing the most problems in dealing with a global crisis.
13/01/2021 12:36:43 2 1
bbc
You yourself quoted the important part: "if we all work together, we'll see light at the end of the tunnel."

A not insignificant percentage of the population didn't (& still aren't), so here we are...
13/01/2021 12:52:06 1 0
bbc
Boris will not sort things out,he delegates others to do that.
13/01/2021 13:13:45 1 1
bbc
It was never going to be over last summer, if Billy boy said this is going to go on for at least another year and half we would have had severe public order issues and even worse death toll than we have now. We have a small unarmed police force and an army you can fit into Wembley, the UK relies on public spirit to keep order which has been eroded by the media and 25 years or crppy governments.
13/01/2021 13:29:45 0 0
bbc
It arguably could have been "all sorted by last summer" if absolutely everyone had followed the rules in the first lockdown and continued to do so since then.

But oh no - that infringed too much on certain people's "rights".
13/01/2021 13:50:20 0 0
bbc
Any government of the left or the right will not get everything right. That’s in any country. You only have to look around the world. Sometimes things work and sometimes they don’t. It’s been a very steep learning curve and the manual is still being written.

One thing is certain. It is people who spread covid not politicians. Each one of us has a responsibility to stop the spread.
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13/01/2021 10:36:18 339 67
bbc
Can't help but feel the health secretary should be a qualified doctor, scientist or public health with decades of experience working in the NHS and not just another Tory educated at Oxford in Philosophy, Politics and Economics with no knowledge whatsoever of public health.
73
13/01/2021 10:40:05 127 43
bbc
This is what happens when Politicians try doing medicine
118
13/01/2021 10:43:44 11 8
bbc
Gavin Williamson got the Education post purely because he went to Scarborough High School, not Harrow or Eton. That's as far as fitting person to post goes in this Government.
190
13/01/2021 10:50:36 33 2
bbc
I doubt you'd get anybody with those things wanting to be a politician. The old saying that 'anybody who wants to be a politician, shouldn't be allowed to' is unfortunately very true with the current lot of all colours.

Although there are some very good ones, but not many.
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Rob
13/01/2021 10:57:49 30 14
bbc
Laugh most the modern Politian's of all parties have never done a real job or are just failed lawyers. Just look at people like Blair or Corbyn or Sturgeon, they wouldn't know a real days work if it smacked them around the face, they are used to comfortable lives paid for by the taxpayer.

we need more real people back in politics from outside the metropolitan elites.
292
13/01/2021 10:55:06 19 7
bbc
So you'd rather have a person that is capable of saving life sat in an office dealing with bureaucracy? I can't help but feel you're wrong.
335
13/01/2021 11:01:37 21 4
bbc
* Who got sacked by May for leaking government secrets.

But I guess that isn't odd for this government we have a home secretary who got sacked by the same administration for what could be considered as treason, and a PM who got sacked for lying from multiple jobs including a previous cabinet.
342
13/01/2021 11:00:20 14 7
bbc
Agree. Health and education should be kept out of politicians grubby hands and handed over to boards of professionals.
350
13/01/2021 11:03:06 15 6
bbc
Couldn't agree more. I've said this to my partner for years. The cabinet reshuffled "oh you're now schools, you're now transport etc"

Get someone from within that discipline to get into the detail and provide informed solutions.
Wishful thinking to get the best qualified people into the top jobs.

Theresa May promised to create such a "meritocracy" in the UK. A few weeks later her party appointed Boris Johnson as PM.
398
13/01/2021 11:07:07 6 1
bbc
Suggest you obtain copies of Yes Minister.
Much better than any news report or even academic book to understand how UK politics works and has worked for centuries.
415
13/01/2021 11:09:01 3 4
bbc
I couldn't agree more. It makes my blood boil when I see educated at Oxbridge and 'achieved' a first in PPE. Same as the many socialists who get a degree in social or trade union studies whatever they might be. Such garbage qualifications shouldn't be funded.
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Bob
13/01/2021 11:10:19 5 3
bbc
Ministers are basically Project Managers. It is the job of the people behind the scenes to do the donkey work that requires the skillset of the position at hand.

All a Project Manager does is make decisions and look pretty.
501
13/01/2021 11:17:55 5 3
bbc
The shaddow health secretary is also not qualified either then,just another Socialist educated at a red brick university.Does that help your thinking?
569
13/01/2021 11:25:53 2 3
bbc
Amazed you can walk with that large chip on your Shoulder!
649
13/01/2021 11:33:27 2 2
bbc
come on, we have all seen what happens when the medics and scientists are allowed to much power, they have little clue how the real world works, the economic mess we are in could be far worse for more people than the virus ever was.
there is not a single scientist that has any idea how we resolve these issues.
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TC
13/01/2021 11:36:31 1 2
bbc
What's required of ministers is a fine mind capable of posing searching questions to 'experts'. There must be broad education/experience encompassing facility at numerical reasoning. All but one current ministers fail on both counts. PPE is equivalent to three first year courses and no attempt is made to integrate knowledge and to instil transferable intellectual skills. Dismal indeed.
699
13/01/2021 11:39:01 3 1
bbc
You dont think he's just repeating the advice from the qualified doctors then?
736
13/01/2021 11:42:26 1 4
bbc
It is simply about getting power , then retaining it. They only want to save NHS so they don't lose faith / votes with the electorate. You honestly think they care ?
903
13/01/2021 11:55:50 1 3
bbc
Who's the plonker politician who was one of the rabid Brexiteers and failed to do trade deals while in post? He's a doctor but I'm proud that I can't remember his name!
13/01/2021 12:11:43 0 0
bbc
I have sympathy with Matt Hancock. He is berated by Sadiq Khan and SAGE to extend the lockdown, and berated by some Tory MP's who want the lockdown to end in March- No doubt because they fear lockdown will eventually lose them their seats. There's no interest like self interest is there? But what is Hancock to do? The former in my opinion, though I despise Khan, he's right on this occasion.
13/01/2021 12:14:11 1 0
bbc
The likes of Hancock are just a figurehead & mouthpiece for their department. There are many medical professionals and civil servants behind him pulling the strings.
13/01/2021 12:14:26 2 0
bbc
Presumably you're perfectly OK with a Socialist educated at another university in Philosophy, Politics and Economics with no knowledge whatsoever of public health.

Like the Shadow Health Secretary, Jonathan Ashworth.

Hypocrisy; a decidedly socialist trait...
13/01/2021 12:15:19 2 0
bbc
Why? Politicians are advised by loads of experts. Surely if the health secretary was a qualified doctor he would be more likely to ignore them. It’s not as if doctors agree on everything, they don’t
13/01/2021 12:15:34 1 0
bbc
That would be a waste of a good doctor or scientist!
13/01/2021 12:16:26 2 1
bbc
I'm sorry, but what the hell has someone's background or where they were educated got to do with whether they can do a job or not? Your jaundiced, anti-elitist view is exactly why we're in such a mess!
13/01/2021 12:11:36 1 0
bbc
Matt has more knowledge than you.
13/01/2021 12:26:26 0 0
bbc
Fully agree, not just for the health minister as well. We move politicians around to different departments like it's nothing. They have no expertise or experience, they're professional debaters. Why devolve power regionally instead of institutionally? Let government control the purse strings but leave the actual running of things to those who have made it their life's work.
13/01/2021 12:27:10 0 0
bbc
You are so so right! for years we have been led by people totally unqualified for the jobs they have been doing and now we sit with Bugle boy and his sunny uplands.
13/01/2021 12:27:04 0 0
bbc
Just a not to all those 'Hancock isn't qualified' poster.

Shadow Health secretary, Jonathan Ashworth, was educated at Durham university and his degree is in - you guessed it - PPE!
13/01/2021 12:39:07 0 0
bbc
Keep that in mind when you vote for your next MP
13/01/2021 12:31:15 0 0
bbc
You do know hospitals in UK aren't run by Drs or Scientists
13/01/2021 12:46:31 0 0
bbc
The present M of Health plan went out the window on 23rd January 2020 and all the others have been too slow.He would be better as a funeral director with facial expressions and sombre voice and Mr Mogg would do as an aide.
13/01/2021 12:50:20 0 1
bbc
I disagree. If left to 'health professionals', the population would have been locked up years ago to stop the spread of 'germs'. Every year the NHS complain about being at breaking point, it's just this year they can shout Covid and everyone panics due to a years worth of constant media and government scaremongering. Being the most expensive institution in Europe,the NHS is not fit for purpose.
13/01/2021 13:06:07 0 2
bbc
If you appoint people who are institutionalised by the NHS, they will never make it better. Politicians are there to challenge their departments and bring new perspectives.
30
13/01/2021 10:36:23 91 51
bbc
The NHS is now suffering for 10 years of lack of investment.
Our care workers and ultimately all of us are now suffering the dire consequences
152
13/01/2021 10:46:55 72 27
bbc
The NHS HAS had the money in the last eight years, but the creaking admin' infrastructure will not get rid of the restrictive practices of old, nor will it redress its executives pension rights.
915
13/01/2021 11:57:38 2 5
bbc
THE PROBLEM ,WITH THE (NHS) TOO MANY MIDDLE MANAGERS?? ON GOOD PAY!! AND NOT ENOUGH FOR THE Drs,NURSES,, BRING BACK THE MATRON!! AND GIVE HER! THE RIGHT TO DISCIPLINE???
13/01/2021 12:11:44 2 0
bbc
Or 70 years of over use.
13/01/2021 12:32:33 0 2
bbc
Yes of wealthy countries

UK ranks 35 out 37 for number ct scanners per person.
31 of 36 for mri scanners.

Then covid you can look at ventilators, icu, and general hospital beds.

20,000 extra police!?
That's the number cons cut at start of austerity.
13/01/2021 12:39:42 2 0
bbc
lack of investment and huge increase in population since the EU expanded
31
13/01/2021 10:36:24 8 2
bbc
Yes, you have definitely made this the peak.
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13/01/2021 10:34:38 34 19
bbc
"We can make this the peak" of the coronavirus pandemic "if enough people follow the rules", Health Secretary Matt Hancock has said.
----

Surprising what you can do by juggling the figures.
32
13/01/2021 10:36:38 20 22
bbc
NHS figures are juggled, are they? You know this, do you?
64
13/01/2021 10:39:18 6 8
bbc
No government figures. It’s why we have 93k death certificates saying covid but our numbers have been massaged down
97
13/01/2021 10:41:50 8 3
bbc
Did I mention the NHS doing it? Now put your toys back in the pram.
195
13/01/2021 10:50:59 5 4
bbc
Well they changed the criteria last year and it brought the figures down - so yes
653
13/01/2021 11:33:53 1 2
bbc
Number of tests for covid were doubled by counting 2 swabs for one person as 2 tests. Not NHS juggling by the way.
12
13/01/2021 10:34:31 18 13
bbc
Close coffee shops, garden centres, DIY shops and places of worship.NOW
33
13/01/2021 10:36:43 7 9
bbc
Can we assume that's because you don't normally visit those places anyway ?

As long as you are not affected then close them down !
13
13/01/2021 10:34:33 18 15
bbc
in less than 9 months, nearly 100000 COVID deaths in hands of this guy, if he works in China, he would be sent straight in jail

end of

poor brits, well, you voted for this mess
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CJR
13/01/2021 10:36:52 16 6
bbc
Unfortunately if it was not for China no one would be in the mess,
10
13/01/2021 10:33:46 35 24
bbc
An absolute disaster of a health secretary
35
13/01/2021 10:37:03 9 3
bbc
Little difference to the whole of the cabinet, when you surround yourself with half witted extremist sycophants then you have to live with the consequences.
14
13/01/2021 10:34:33 14 16
bbc
Stop blond people riding bikes and going for walks with cups of coffee. Stick to the rules!
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13/01/2021 10:37:07 6 6
bbc
Which rules are being broken? Please explain.
37
13/01/2021 10:37:14 32 15
bbc
Bildeborg

This will only work if EVERYONE follows the rules so come on folks, think of your fellow human being.
-
Someone famous once said that it is stupid to repeatedly try the same solution to a problem when all previous attempts have failed!
The answer is ENFORCEMENT! Increased penalties with rigid enforcement is the only option now!
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13/01/2021 10:48:42 18 11
bbc
The people who have been bankrupted or starved to death or lost their jobs and their houses, those who are going out of their minds with loneliness and those who have committed suicide might not agree.
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13/01/2021 10:53:58 3 6
bbc
To continue your famous person logic: we've had lockdown after lockdown and it still hasn't stopped the disease. Stupid to repeat it.
And before you reply with the usual "covidiot" mantra, try explaining why infection rates are rising in North West but falling in South East. We're all under the same lockdown.
13/01/2021 12:41:11 0 0
bbc
yeh then they should enforce covid testing at borders
18
13/01/2021 10:34:50 8 11
bbc
If we keep vaccinating as we are doing hopefully so, but the new variant seems so much more contagious clearly lockdown isn't as effective against the virus as its was before.
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13/01/2021 10:37:17 8 2
bbc
It's a lockdown in name only this time around. Just look at the traffic on the roads, the shops open this time that weren't last time etc. That's why it's not as effective.
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13/01/2021 10:37:22 43 15
bbc
This isn't a proper lockdown... yet again.. simple
13/01/2021 13:11:05 3 0
bbc
They tried proper ones in Peru and China, - oddly enough China is trying them again, and again - yet only 5,000 covid deaths there? Hmm.
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13/01/2021 10:32:43 28 13
bbc
This will only work if EVERYONE follows the rules so come on folks, think of your fellow human being.
40
13/01/2021 10:37:33 2 6
bbc
That is very well, but the rules are nonsensical in terms of epidemiology. The top three transmission sources are, in order, schools, workplaces and hospitality venues. Yes, pubs are shut as are some workplaces, but schools are still rammed as apparently everyone is a 'key worker' now.

The government is just trying to blame its own incompetence on the public.
13/01/2021 12:50:36 0 0
bbc
It's both - not helped by Johnson (and others) giving the numpties and deniers an excuse.
18
13/01/2021 10:34:50 8 11
bbc
If we keep vaccinating as we are doing hopefully so, but the new variant seems so much more contagious clearly lockdown isn't as effective against the virus as its was before.
41
13/01/2021 10:37:33 4 1
bbc
Only because of human behaviour, follow the advice and be careful, things will improve. Continue to break or "bend" the rules to suit ourselves, we are lost
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13/01/2021 10:33:43 46 27
bbc
Of course it’ll have nothing to do with winter coming to an end will it?
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13/01/2021 10:37:44 32 30
bbc
Exactly. They will be quick to claim lockdown worked when in reality it's a seasonal virus doing what viruses do.
147
13/01/2021 10:46:35 10 2
bbc
Except winter is from December to March so not coming to an end is it? Also the first peak was during a very hot spring last year! Oh dear
13
13/01/2021 10:34:33 18 15
bbc
in less than 9 months, nearly 100000 COVID deaths in hands of this guy, if he works in China, he would be sent straight in jail

end of

poor brits, well, you voted for this mess
43
13/01/2021 10:37:55 6 3
bbc
Troll Alert, this guy sorry sorry sorry lives in China, he loves to insult the Brits, not a nice person...
186
13/01/2021 10:50:21 0 3
bbc
lol :)), I was so lucky to be granted onto a plane at LHR this Sept and since then I have been staying in China safe and sound
44
13/01/2021 10:38:04 82 52
bbc
The UK (well England specifically)

Has the highest death rate in Europe

The PM can't even stick to his own rules
We have consistently locked down too late
Have the most expensive non functional test & trace system in Europe
We STILL don't test on arrival at airports as so many other countries do
Ministers have lied repeatedly
All that said vaccine rollout is something they finally got right!
72
13/01/2021 10:40:03 36 25
bbc
vaccine rollout is not right, many surgeries are repeatedly being promised vaccine and having to cancel plans because it doesn't turn up.
77
13/01/2021 10:40:24 25 12
bbc
The U.K. does not have the highest death rate.

Unfortunately you don't understand the term "rate" from a mathematical perspective.

Secondly the reporting of these "rates" is likely not 100% consistent.

Have a nice day.
86
13/01/2021 10:40:46 11 13
bbc
The vaccine roll out is far from right. The MHRA have completed rolling data review on the trial outputs and we have known since October the likely chance of approval was high. How have we started so slowly with vaccinations... NHS management from Hancock down is shambolic- the most inefficient and wasteful employment machine in Europe!
103
13/01/2021 10:42:13 15 10
bbc
No it isn’t. They only managed 150k vaccinations yesterday. Hardly going to hit any of their targets with such inadequate numbers.
111
13/01/2021 10:43:13 13 5
bbc
I believe that different countries class deaths in different ways which is why the death rates here appear higher. That's what I've read, at least.
112
13/01/2021 10:43:17 14 5
bbc
No it doesn't. Per capita Ireland is way ahead of the rest of Europe including us. Keep up to date and don't broadcast falsehoods.
113
13/01/2021 10:43:27 10 9
bbc
The PM can't even comb his hair
199
13/01/2021 10:51:15 16 10
bbc
Which rues did PM break?
Why does every EU nation have same problem as us when they locked down at different times?
You really are desperate, parroting this "too late" nonsense. But keep trying - your remoaner friends are agreeing with you like those nodding dogs you see in cars.
341
13/01/2021 11:02:23 3 3
bbc
Actually the UK has the 9th highest death rate in Europe (still not something to be proud of). Timing of a lockdown has very little, if any effect on this virus...just look at Wales and the rest of Europe for evidence. not sure which rules the PM has not stuck to?
Agree with your other points........oh and I'd be more worried the day Ministers stopped lying, that would be strange behaviour!!
345
13/01/2021 11:02:32 3 3
bbc
Stop talking rot
353
13/01/2021 11:03:19 1 1
bbc
Why is the infection rate in the UK so much higher than anywhere else in Europe right now?

If this latest variant is that much more infectious then with our borders open why are numbers not increasing elsewhere?

Government will tell you that we are doing more testing so our numbers are higher, but reported deaths in other countries also lag behind.

One conclusion - too many ignore restrictions!
664
13/01/2021 11:34:39 3 2
bbc
There will be a time to sort out all the mistakes, untruths etc. but it is not now. If we continue to undermine our elected government it makes recovery from this pandemic even more problematic. We have to work with not against what we've got.
794
13/01/2021 11:46:52 1 1
bbc
THE TEST AND TRACE FAILURE ,,, WAS LARGLY THE FAULT OF ,,,THE HIGH AND MIGHTY PUBLIC!! I AINT GONNER ISOLATE,GONNER COST ME!! TO HELL IM, GOING TO THE PUB ETC,, THAT IS THE FACT,, POSSIBLY HARD TO SWALLOW,, BUT FACT!!
13/01/2021 12:48:52 0 0
bbc
Check on World-o-meter, UK is far from the highest death rate in Europe - San Marino, Belgium, Slovenia, Bosnia, Italy, Liechtenstein, Czechia and North Macedonia all beating us on deaths per million.
13/01/2021 12:36:44 0 0
bbc
if you count EU as one country it has more covid deaths than USA
13/01/2021 13:46:36 0 0
bbc
The UK (well England specifically)

Has the highest death rate in Europe

Liar
13/01/2021 14:24:15 0 0
bbc
Give it a rest Mr Starmer
14/01/2021 10:29:02 0 0
bbc
Another one of the 60 million experts we have in the UK.
13
13/01/2021 10:34:33 18 15
bbc
in less than 9 months, nearly 100000 COVID deaths in hands of this guy, if he works in China, he would be sent straight in jail

end of

poor brits, well, you voted for this mess
45
13/01/2021 10:38:04 6 5
bbc
1,000 died yesterday in Germany - a known EU nation. You'd better start having a go at Merkel. And as for Italy....
12
13/01/2021 10:34:31 18 13
bbc
Close coffee shops, garden centres, DIY shops and places of worship.NOW
46
13/01/2021 10:38:11 1 5
bbc
er churches all over the country have been closed for months and capitols dont make you sound more important
13/01/2021 20:07:50 0 0
bbc
er churches aren't the only places for worship r sole.
47
13/01/2021 10:38:14 4 8
bbc
The whole plan is flawed if the UK’s approach to the dosage gap renders the vaccine much less effective.
181
13/01/2021 10:49:39 4 1
bbc
Very true: we are conducting a massive drugs trial without the consent of the participants and with no evidence to back it up. We are taking a massive risk. I just hope we get lucky and it pays off.
3
13/01/2021 10:32:18 359 21
bbc
It’s in times like this we should rue the divisions that have been sown for many years by powers that be who exploit them (e.g. past/present politicians and media outlets).

Many problems right now with getting everyone on board and looking out for one another stems from a society where rather than cooperating, we just fight and blame each other, but actually those sowing divisions are at fault.
48
13/01/2021 10:38:21 109 85
bbc
Grownups can disagree without descending to fighting. I would not blame the media outlets, they are the channel not the instigator. I would blame influencers, these include foreign powers, for trying to stir up division, but also anyone who rabidly believes and promotes a dogmatic way of thinking and declines to engage in research and reasoned discussion. The education system is at fault.
226
Pip
13/01/2021 10:53:57 24 7
bbc
Reading the 'Toilet Papers' that masquerade as media outlets, it's quite easy to lay the blame of division fairly and squarely at there doors........?
278
13/01/2021 10:52:38 9 7
bbc
The education system is at fault you say?

And people of which political persuasion have delivered and overseen education since the 80s?
381
13/01/2021 11:05:58 8 1
bbc
I couldn't agree more that the education system needs a major renewal. For one, education for everyone to school leaving age on the basics of how our bodies work, nutrition etc. I disagree that the media outlets don't have something to answer for though.
410
13/01/2021 11:08:36 11 2
bbc
The media are the single biggest influencers and its inability to be impartial causes most of the problems..... a prime example is sky, take a look at its ownership and the political alliances they have. People want facts and not agenda driven news that serves the owners of the news corporations.
514
13/01/2021 11:19:51 0 3
bbc
POSSIBLY?? BUT THE MEDIA DO WITHOUT DOUBT STIR UP ANIMOSITY!! THEN WE HAVE MUCH FRICTION DUE TO SO-CALLED RACISM?? ALMOST ANY EXCUSE WILL DO??
598
13/01/2021 11:28:24 6 1
bbc
I do blame the media outlets. They are run by humans with their own opinions. I don't think that they have a hidden agenda, I just think that they see little need to control their inbuilt biases and so these creep into almost every article they create - and also decides which stories and facts they present to us and which they deliberately omit.
646
13/01/2021 11:32:45 3 5
bbc
Foreign powers, my &r$e!!! This is purely home-grown hatred. We do in the UK tend to copy and adopt the culture of the USA, but that’s it. It’s people like Farage who’ve sown this hatred.
14
13/01/2021 10:34:33 14 16
bbc
Stop blond people riding bikes and going for walks with cups of coffee. Stick to the rules!
49
13/01/2021 10:38:29 5 1
bbc
They are sticking to the rules as in England it's just "stay local", which can mean anything.
50
13/01/2021 10:38:29 131 33
bbc
kicking a bag of wind around a field is not important feeding your family is if shops are to get tough then football should be banned during lockdown
Agree, but please call it soccer.. football is 15 players (or 13) played with an oval ball and respect... Removed
166
13/01/2021 10:48:27 17 21
bbc
Why? Please tell us what difference banning football would make.
13/01/2021 12:11:04 3 5
bbc
How is football spreading the virus on the scale that millions of people in shops leaning over one another and hundreds, if not thousands of them, refusing to wear PPE?
13/01/2021 12:14:42 3 3
bbc
I know people who say that being able to watch football - even if not actually in the stadium - is the only thing that is keeping them going
Pip
13/01/2021 12:16:01 3 5
bbc
One of those bags of wind kickers started this meals for kids, as the bags of wind we voted for couldn't, just remember.........?
13/01/2021 12:25:33 1 1
bbc
That is how they feed their families, but you have a very good point, IF this is the new black death, why have vast numbers of sportsmen and women been allowed to travel back and forth across Europe? They have produced more linked 'bubbles' than Fairy Liquid stirred up in a bowl of water, yet they haven't been dying in their thousands - so much for the new black-death.
13/01/2021 12:29:38 3 2
bbc
"kicking a bag of wind around a field" I thought for a minute you were talking about Boris!
13/01/2021 12:36:08 0 0
bbc
agree ban football but don't test for covid at borders
13/01/2021 12:56:10 0 0
bbc
Not sure that's a fair analogy. The key thing is no spectators are allowed into matches. Does that mean no-one should go food shopping? So actually football has tougher rules.
14
13/01/2021 10:34:33 14 16
bbc
Stop blond people riding bikes and going for walks with cups of coffee. Stick to the rules!
51
13/01/2021 10:38:32 1 1
bbc
The pm is blond, the two pouting soccer wives are blonde...
28
13/01/2021 10:36:09 115 47
bbc
Wasn't this thing supposed to have been all sorted by last summer? Every message is the same "if we all work together, we'll see light at the end of the tunnel..."; repeated ad nauseum every month or two. Just total hogwash.
52
13/01/2021 10:38:34 136 39
bbc
blame the clowns who don't follow the rules
221
13/01/2021 10:53:35 12 11
bbc
And 'the rules'

Or do you really think that the virus was never passed on by any one of the millions following the ever changing rules?
835
13/01/2021 11:49:36 1 5
bbc
You mean the gaggles of pensioners I see out meeting up and walking every day... then going home to fizz on Facebook about "Blooming youngsters socialising"...
837
13/01/2021 11:49:46 1 2
bbc
The 'rules' don't say what the guidance says.
980
13/01/2021 12:05:34 2 0
bbc
They aren't clowns, they are uneducated fools who have no respect for human life and are fed on their own bile.
13/01/2021 12:11:51 1 1
bbc
I'd rather blame the clowns who change the rules the day after they underlined the importance of the rule being changed the previous day.
13/01/2021 12:32:12 1 1
bbc
blame the clowns who think the virus doesn't infect sportsmen, doesn't pop out before 10.00pm at night, don't look at the all cause mortality figures & 'excess deaths' for the last decade or more, and so don't ask - why the hysteria, The deaths per 100,000 has only just reached that of a decade ago, and we've had 5 years dropping annual mortality with an increasing old population - no lock-downs!
13/01/2021 12:46:24 1 0
bbc
Blame the clowns in charge
13/01/2021 12:34:49 1 0
bbc
yeah while no testing at borders
5
13/01/2021 10:33:16 13 11
bbc
I still don't get why construction sites are open when they were shut in lockdown one. Would seem a perfect Covid breeding ground to me.
53
13/01/2021 10:38:35 5 1
bbc
Maybe because you cant WFH on building site....and as many are self employed then the standard furlough scheme does not work either...
54
13/01/2021 10:34:39 21 7
bbc
Stop patronising us and sort out vaccinations.
160
13/01/2021 10:47:39 10 9
bbc
2.4 million and counting. What don't you understand about that?
55
13/01/2021 10:36:09 11 1
bbc
When you compare the first lockdown to this one is night and day, its like usual day before covid arrived.
56
13/01/2021 10:37:08 5 13
bbc
We can make it the peak, wonder if government really wants this to be, they are enjoying such control, but not all restrictions lifted when this is all over.
20
13/01/2021 10:35:33 233 23
bbc
Why were those protesting in Cardiff yesterday allowed to do so, yet two ladies walking in Derbyshire get fixed penalty fines? Don't just police those that can be policed.
57
13/01/2021 10:37:44 148 57
bbc
You know why, and BBC won’t allow you to say why
102
13/01/2021 10:42:11 22 63
bbc
There are different rules in Wales to England that's why! nothing to do with the BBC
541
SJ
13/01/2021 11:23:30 5 5
bbc
My milk was ofc this morning. Blasted BBC !
919
13/01/2021 11:57:54 2 2
bbc
No, do tell. enlighten us with your wisdom.
951
13/01/2021 12:02:27 1 2
bbc
Would you like to expound on the "why"? Surely you could try to express yourself without giving offense? Or are you scared of free speech?
13/01/2021 12:08:00 3 2
bbc
Totally unhelpful claptrap, people like you damage this country every day with your pathetic conspiracy nonsense, get a real hobby.
13/01/2021 12:40:07 0 0
bbc
I know what you mean,the other day laughing made joke about Boris falling off his bike,it was deleted.Soon under this Tory BBC chair man the only comments allowed will be,Boris you look nice,Boris lovely suit! Its not worth now using,.
13/01/2021 12:44:51 1 1
bbc
elucidate us with something more than your tin foil hat nonsense.
13/01/2021 13:00:12 1 0
bbc
Go on. Why?
23
13/01/2021 10:35:53 3 16
bbc
Could you explain that nonsense? Actually, don't even try.
58
13/01/2021 10:38:41 5 4
bbc
You don’t follow? Why doesn’t that surprise me.
4
13/01/2021 10:32:43 28 13
bbc
This will only work if EVERYONE follows the rules so come on folks, think of your fellow human being.
59
13/01/2021 10:38:43 2 5
bbc
Hancock has got it down to a fine art; convincing the plebs blame each other for his failure.
28
13/01/2021 10:36:09 115 47
bbc
Wasn't this thing supposed to have been all sorted by last summer? Every message is the same "if we all work together, we'll see light at the end of the tunnel..."; repeated ad nauseum every month or two. Just total hogwash.
60
13/01/2021 10:38:51 20 15
bbc
Not Hogwash, follow the advice & things will get better, simple as that...
822
13/01/2021 11:48:59 3 3
bbc
Simple as that?

Things will get better across the board if we all stay at home for periods of 1-4 months, 2/3 times per year?

There's no downside there? Even if it does reduce the rate of infection viruses in the short run?

There's nothing else a competent Gvt might do to make things better? Like actually implement the 'protective ring' (around care homes) and 'world beating testing' promised?
12
13/01/2021 10:34:31 18 13
bbc
Close coffee shops, garden centres, DIY shops and places of worship.NOW
61
13/01/2021 10:38:51 2 5
bbc
Why? What difference would that make? Please explain using analysis rather than pithy slogans
13/01/2021 20:10:50 0 0
bbc
Are you thick ? In March all of the places were closed and more. Oh and we had fewer daily deaths.
28
13/01/2021 10:36:09 115 47
bbc
Wasn't this thing supposed to have been all sorted by last summer? Every message is the same "if we all work together, we'll see light at the end of the tunnel..."; repeated ad nauseum every month or two. Just total hogwash.
62
JGC
13/01/2021 10:39:12 12 18
bbc
Yes. Always the promise of back to normal in 3 to 6 months time. It's just that the goal posts then get moved to justify restrictions for another 3 months. Presumably because the Government finds it much easier to govern if they can introduce laws that take effect immediately and not have to bother with that pesky parliament and MPs.
27
13/01/2021 10:36:09 9 10
bbc
We must all work together to beat this, that includes Johnson, Starmer, Sturgeon, Drakeford and Foster... Show leadership, stop the back biting just for a while, and we will see results....
63
13/01/2021 10:39:14 5 3
bbc
Mmmm, generally the opposition have been supportive IMV including voting in most if not all areas. As has been proven with these charlatans they can't be left unchallenged.
132
13/01/2021 10:45:09 1 3
bbc
You are joking right, starmer supportive, all he's dreamed up is soundbites for the populace, spend this, give them more money, extend furlough, in fact promise everything no country can give. At the end of the day, business to an extent has to carry on, no money = end of country... Starmer is not fit for purpose....
32
13/01/2021 10:36:38 20 22
bbc
NHS figures are juggled, are they? You know this, do you?
64
13/01/2021 10:39:18 6 8
bbc
No government figures. It’s why we have 93k death certificates saying covid but our numbers have been massaged down
4
13/01/2021 10:32:43 28 13
bbc
This will only work if EVERYONE follows the rules so come on folks, think of your fellow human being.
65
13/01/2021 10:39:21 1 7
bbc
You might want to check with Johnson driving out of his local area to go for a bike ride

The fish rots from the head down, as they say
13
13/01/2021 10:34:33 18 15
bbc
in less than 9 months, nearly 100000 COVID deaths in hands of this guy, if he works in China, he would be sent straight in jail

end of

poor brits, well, you voted for this mess
66
13/01/2021 10:39:30 1 4
bbc
up the meds , deaths nothing like that
67
13/01/2021 10:39:34 9 5
bbc
Mixed messaging, no clarity, a lazy PM, overpromising, underachieving and lies have brought us here.
151
13/01/2021 10:46:50 1 1
bbc
Try living in Italy - they're doing great out there. You might even get a vaccine by next year.
68
13/01/2021 10:39:07 0 6
bbc
Making this the peak, not too sure if we are going to get our civil liberties back
69
13/01/2021 10:39:39 4 3
bbc
He doesn't have a clue about anything let alone data.
70
13/01/2021 10:39:46 17 12
bbc
If people just followed the basics of masks and social distancing we wouldn't be seeing this surge. You can't blame any govt if the people don't do the basics proven to slow/stop the spread. Hands, face, space, it's not complicated rocket science is it?
138
13/01/2021 10:45:51 1 6
bbc
You need to change your name.
177
13/01/2021 10:49:13 5 4
bbc
Challenge to - 'if we all followed the rules narrative' - what if a very large % are (I see very high compliance locally), and its actually that most of it is not having an impact bar soothing those that have been frightened, and to give the impression of action/control. There is a data disconnect but you cant create a control group to mask vs no mask, so only 'trust' it would be worse without..
208
13/01/2021 10:51:57 1 1
bbc
Are you Michael Gove?
324
13/01/2021 11:00:56 2 3
bbc
Like driving 7 miles outside of your local area to go for a bike ride?
13/01/2021 12:56:15 0 0
bbc
you will always see a surge when borders have no covid testing ...millions flew into Heathrow last year ..no testing
71
13/01/2021 10:39:58 9 7
bbc
We could have had the peak in November if the government had listened to the bloke that gets called Mr Hindsight.
134
13/01/2021 10:45:19 1 6
bbc
Exactly. Just like all those EU nations where it is already over, lol.
13/01/2021 13:09:07 0 0
bbc
you would have no covid peak if you test at borders
44
13/01/2021 10:38:04 82 52
bbc
The UK (well England specifically)

Has the highest death rate in Europe

The PM can't even stick to his own rules
We have consistently locked down too late
Have the most expensive non functional test & trace system in Europe
We STILL don't test on arrival at airports as so many other countries do
Ministers have lied repeatedly
All that said vaccine rollout is something they finally got right!
72
13/01/2021 10:40:03 36 25
bbc
vaccine rollout is not right, many surgeries are repeatedly being promised vaccine and having to cancel plans because it doesn't turn up.
347
13/01/2021 11:02:43 4 5
bbc
Stop lying
380
13/01/2021 11:05:55 4 3
bbc
Being ready to administer more vaccines than can actually be produced and delivered isn't a failure of the rollout...quite the opposite actually. The speed at which this vaccine has been developed, tested and manufactured is nothing short of miraculous....the fact the UK is gearing up to use every single drop being sent here is not a failure, I'm afraid we just have to be patient on this one.
710
13/01/2021 11:39:58 1 2
bbc
We have been repeatedly told by Hancock that vaccine availability is the limiting factor. No system is perfect but a present the rollout is going pretty well. Of course that doesn't sit well with the "we want it all, we want it now" mentality of some people.
29
13/01/2021 10:36:18 339 67
bbc
Can't help but feel the health secretary should be a qualified doctor, scientist or public health with decades of experience working in the NHS and not just another Tory educated at Oxford in Philosophy, Politics and Economics with no knowledge whatsoever of public health.
73
13/01/2021 10:40:05 127 43
bbc
This is what happens when Politicians try doing medicine
286
13/01/2021 10:58:22 10 18
bbc
Better politicians doing medicine than medics doing politics...
326
13/01/2021 11:01:03 5 10
bbc
Nonsense
565
13/01/2021 11:25:41 3 4
bbc
NOT REALLY?? THE SO-CALLED Drs, ABDICATED THERE PRESTIGE POSITION WHEN THEY STOPPED BEING Drs. and used COVID19 EXCUSE TO LOCK THE SURGERY DOORS!! TAKE 45 MINUTES TO ANSWER THE PHONE!! THEN (WE WILL CALL YOU BACK?? WHEN??? ) and if very lucky a untraceable N/O,, to 9/11 seconds days later?? this has let to a lot of disquiet!!
935
13/01/2021 12:00:46 3 2
bbc
This is what happens when Politicians try doing ANYTHING!
952
13/01/2021 12:02:29 2 1
bbc
Prof Ferguson and his flawed model (and one known to be flawed and which has regularly over estimated effects of epidemics) is a Scientist, & so committed to the Science of Lock-down he recommended that he was willing to break the rules for a tryst with this married mistress, clearly, given his doomsday warning 'we are all going to die' she was worth dying for - except he didn't die.
13/01/2021 12:15:02 0 0
bbc
We see the same across the board, ill-qualified Politicians enforcing arbitrary decisions on Medicine, Education, so many etceteras, without actually LISTENING to what the experts say.
74
jon
13/01/2021 10:40:05 10 3
bbc
I expect further restrictions to click & collect at department stores and other non-essential shops. Exercise alone, not with another person within a ten mile radius of home.
124
13/01/2021 10:44:19 8 4
bbc
Was going to to be a 5 mile radius
But they had to pull that after Johnson left his local area to be driven to his bike ride 7 miles away...
127
13/01/2021 10:44:38 2 5
bbc
"ten mile" lol. Does the virus have a mileage detector?
370
CJR
13/01/2021 11:04:46 0 3
bbc
Please post your source of information
13/01/2021 12:55:29 1 0
bbc
yet you can catch an international flight
75
13/01/2021 10:40:17 7 6
bbc
its pretty clear this bunch in power all talk the talk but deliver very poor results,now this food scandal erupts about children and all hancock said was the company apologises,thats another disaster we witness,theres no responsibility being taken and this company should have lost the contract,at pmqs today the same promises will arrive,the issues reach there their peak before anyone bothers/
121
13/01/2021 10:44:00 6 3
bbc
"food scandal" lol. No caviar with the free food - outrageous!
Meanwhile, 2.4 million vaccines in just over a month is "poor results". You should go live in Italy.
235
13/01/2021 10:54:54 2 1
bbc
None of these are the Government's fault.
5
13/01/2021 10:33:16 13 11
bbc
I still don't get why construction sites are open when they were shut in lockdown one. Would seem a perfect Covid breeding ground to me.
76
13/01/2021 10:40:20 4 2
bbc
Maybe research how many people on those sites have it and are off sick? And I don't see anyone being held at gunpoint to work either so what would you rather they do jack in work and claim benefits
44
13/01/2021 10:38:04 82 52
bbc
The UK (well England specifically)

Has the highest death rate in Europe

The PM can't even stick to his own rules
We have consistently locked down too late
Have the most expensive non functional test & trace system in Europe
We STILL don't test on arrival at airports as so many other countries do
Ministers have lied repeatedly
All that said vaccine rollout is something they finally got right!
77
13/01/2021 10:40:24 25 12
bbc
The U.K. does not have the highest death rate.

Unfortunately you don't understand the term "rate" from a mathematical perspective.

Secondly the reporting of these "rates" is likely not 100% consistent.

Have a nice day.
216
13/01/2021 10:52:55 13 9
bbc
Well if you go to the EU CDC you will actually see the death rate in the UK is 2nd to Leichenstein. As it is tiny probably 3 people dying could cause that rate. So technically you are correct but actually on any measure the results of the government management is woeful and has lead to a mountain of deaths
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Pip
13/01/2021 11:16:41 0 2
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Being pedantic doesn't necessarily make you right............?
13/01/2021 12:18:53 0 0
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You're right - but it doesn't make our performance good!
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13/01/2021 10:31:09 231 86
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On 19th March last year, Bojo said “I think we can turn the tide in 12 weeks” and “send the coronavirus packing in this country.”

Seventy four thousand deaths later, and with the UK only just deciding to test people at the border, it will be interesting to see what optimistic bluster Bojo will be telling MPs today.
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13/01/2021 10:40:25 24 14
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So it’s ‘Bojo’ is it? Whatever our politics, some respect perhaps needed? We only have to look at the US to see where breakdown of even basic respect for other people ends.
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13/01/2021 10:44:53 14 6
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I only have 400 characters.
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13/01/2021 10:33:38 128 60
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This is hopefully the peak.
Of governmental ineptitude, incompetance and one rule for them.
2.4 million vaccines and counting. Just think, in a few weeks we can sit here safely while watching the EU sink into its pandemic. Removed
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13/01/2021 10:48:48 20 19
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The counting's false though.

412,000 complete doses and about possibly 2million effectively thrown down the sink.

Likely the EU will cutail its pandemic by applying the vaccine doses correctly; meanwhile in Britain, we get another variant because the doses have been applying incopmletely, giving it more scope to become resistant.
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13/01/2021 10:48:59 22 3
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Perhaps you do not understand what a pandemic is.
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13/01/2021 10:50:41 24 8
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“Few weeks”!!?....sadly you’re living in cloud cuckoo land if you think that. Yes, better times are coming but it’s sure not going to be in a “few weeks”!...There’s no way that they are going to meet their Feb 15th vaccine targets and as for their “things being a lot back to normal by the Spring” claim!.I wonder when the MSM are going to cotton on to the fact that it’s going to take a lot longer?!
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13/01/2021 10:57:19 24 11
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Either you are seriously deluded or a member of the Conservative party. Germany will probably have vaccinated its 80 million before we are half way with this bunch of liars and crooks. Time to stop talking big and actually deliver vaccinations to vaccination centers and acheive that 2 million. Anyway can lie, proof is that it actually happens
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13/01/2021 11:00:54 18 4
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Another Brexit Einstein doesn't know what 'pandemic' means.
Congratulations - you qualify to be Secretary for Health (or Edjookayshun)
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13/01/2021 11:04:07 29 3
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Hideous attitude

Schadenfreude is never a good trait to display, doing so when it could lead to 10s of 1000s of deaths is truly abhorrent

Please seek professional psychological help ASAP, but while doing so, please stop peddling such vileness ??
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13/01/2021 11:05:36 16 3
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So your happy to watch your fellow humans die and suffer in other countries as a result of this virus, while we will be apparently safe in the UK? This is a global pandemic, we should be hoping other countries can also protect their citizens. We should all be working together, we are all human beings.
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13/01/2021 11:18:46 11 2
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Hmm, counting the cure rather than the problem. The decades long slow collapse of the majority of uk society was laid bare by covid. Look at excess death and mortality stats, compare with Germany and Denmark, and reconsiderder your jingoism. And your delight in others' misery shows a pathological state of mind.
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13/01/2021 11:42:39 3 2
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THATS NOT NICE ,,GLOATING! AT SOME ONES UNFORTUNATE POSITION!!
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13/01/2021 12:03:59 1 3
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At the current rate of vaccination the 'most vulnerable 15 million' won't be done until July. Government already changing line to '15m OFFERED vaccine by mid Feb'. Letters with a July appointment sent out on Valentines Day? They have form!
13/01/2021 12:08:26 1 2
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That'll be nice. I suppose you'll enjoy 'watching' that while you vomit up more of your twisted thoughts.
13/01/2021 12:13:06 1 1
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No doubt you will be cheering, sipping ale and waving a silly little flag. The world would be such a nicer place without your sort.
13/01/2021 12:26:18 1 1
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Big hole in bjs vague plan

People need 12 week / 3 month second jabs.
If BJ hits 2 million a week first jabs (he hasn't) Jan to March (12 weeks)
Then april to june the 2 million jabs a week are solely used to give first wave second jab.. At 2 million a week for 3 months.

To vaccinate 2 million in new groups April on bj needs 4 million jabs a week.
13/01/2021 12:34:35 1 1
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Hope you are being sarcastic. Otherwise, nonsense. Do your homework. Oodagh Thunkitt hits the nail on the head. By stupidly imposing a 12-week gap between doses - just to be able to claim bigger numbers - the UK 'leadership' will fail to vaccinate the population. Quelle surprise!
13/01/2021 12:47:45 2 1
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Usual nasty Tory rubbish,just wish your type disappeared along with Trump,you deserve each other
13/01/2021 13:10:00 1 1
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What's your view of the EU citizens living in the UK? Should they be denied the vaccine so you can watch them suffer too?
13/01/2021 12:53:50 1 1
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Stupid and irrelevant comment
13/01/2021 14:00:10 0 0
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You are one sick puppy.
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13/01/2021 10:35:57 148 80
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No, no - don't use facts. It upsets the hardline (but not the moderate or reasonable) Tories & Brexiters. BoJo is perfect and everything he does it perfect, otherwise you're a traitor and/or you hate democracy and/or you just talk lefty nonsense garbage.

Leave the facts alone, and just stick with soundbites like "catch it, bin it, kill it" or "pick, lick, roll, flick"
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13/01/2021 10:40:32 24 21
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Spot on. Johnson =Trump.
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13/01/2021 10:50:02 16 10
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Shame you can't see that people that have voted for Johnson will see this type of bullying behaviour and be inclined to see him as a victim. British people are more inclined to vote for the put upon and not the aggressors.

Starmer can see this and is trying to rid his party of the bullies, you really need to help him and use argument and not insults.
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13/01/2021 10:34:33 14 16
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Stop blond people riding bikes and going for walks with cups of coffee. Stick to the rules!
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13/01/2021 10:40:39 7 1
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and morons having parties and not waring masks and walking round in groups
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Moz
13/01/2021 10:40:42 14 6
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Put on a mask, get the vaccine when offered, do as you're instructed to do and we'll argue about all the theories, grumbles and everything else you don't agree with DOWN THE PUB WHEN THEY'RE ALLOWED TO OPEN AGAIN!
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13/01/2021 10:38:29 131 33
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kicking a bag of wind around a field is not important feeding your family is if shops are to get tough then football should be banned during lockdown
Agree, but please call it soccer.. football is 15 players (or 13) played with an oval ball and respect... Removed
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13/01/2021 10:53:57 21 4
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Only Americans call it 'soccer'. We haven't called it that for fifty years. You're referring to Rugby football.
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13/01/2021 11:25:20 7 7
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I think I actually love you... almost as much as I love seeing people pop with rage when I refer to it as soccer.
You're thinking of the game played with the hands and an oval ball, it's called handegg and it's played by sweaty fat blokes that take 45+ minutes to play a 15 minute quarter because they keep having to have a rest every 10 seconds. Removed
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13/01/2021 11:35:04 1 3
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No respect for the American national anthem though.
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13/01/2021 10:40:45 11 6
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It seems clear to me that the responsibility for the infections and illness and death lie squarely with individuals who think that everyone else is responsible and that their misconduct does not count. These people seem to be unable to appreciate that all the small careless acts amount to illnesses and deaths on a large scale and most damage those who are most to be valued , nurses,and medics.
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13/01/2021 10:42:57 5 6
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Like drive 7 miles out of local area for a bike ride Johnson?
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13/01/2021 10:56:06 0 1
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COVID-19 has merely highlighted the fact that people do not care. They don't care about themselves and so have no reason to care for anyone else. I see it in so may ways everyday.
COVID may discourage some people from engaging in their disgusting habits but when the All Clear sounds they will be right back at it.
Ignorance is bliss.
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13/01/2021 10:34:50 8 11
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If we keep vaccinating as we are doing hopefully so, but the new variant seems so much more contagious clearly lockdown isn't as effective against the virus as its was before.
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13/01/2021 10:40:46 0 5
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Lockdowns are not effective, 20+ published papers from across the globe state that.
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13/01/2021 10:38:04 82 52
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The UK (well England specifically)

Has the highest death rate in Europe

The PM can't even stick to his own rules
We have consistently locked down too late
Have the most expensive non functional test & trace system in Europe
We STILL don't test on arrival at airports as so many other countries do
Ministers have lied repeatedly
All that said vaccine rollout is something they finally got right!
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13/01/2021 10:40:46 11 13
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The vaccine roll out is far from right. The MHRA have completed rolling data review on the trial outputs and we have known since October the likely chance of approval was high. How have we started so slowly with vaccinations... NHS management from Hancock down is shambolic- the most inefficient and wasteful employment machine in Europe!
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13/01/2021 10:56:38 4 5
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Can you provide some figures to support your claim? Thanks
13/01/2021 12:17:30 1 0
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No doubt if the vaccine had failed the approval you would be saying the `government should have..'. Where are the current high level of infections arising --- in my city two of the highest 4 districts are for those `very well off' --- so why?Answer is `it won't happen to us' and if does its the governments fault. I am by no means a Tory supporter but given the alternatives....
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13/01/2021 10:40:54 15 5
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Is Hancock referring to the £50,000 he spent on nine takeaways? or something else. I sincerely hope that the country can overcome Covid despite these sleazy clowns.
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13/01/2021 10:42:08 5 7
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takeaways causes a pandemic, do they?
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13/01/2021 10:49:15 2 1
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Can you suggest an alternative to "these sleazy clowns"? I challenge you to search the competences of House of Commons MPs and name more than a handful with anyone track record of achievement in the real world. I know many project managers who would have made a success of handling this pandemic; self included! Do any of these guys know what it is like to roll up their sleeves and get stuck in?
13/01/2021 12:45:29 1 0
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open borders allow new mutations to arrive
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13/01/2021 10:41:10 19 6
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Let's work together guys as one United Kingdom.

Stay safe. Wash your hands. Act like you have it.
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13/01/2021 10:44:31 4 3
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Act like you have it - but still work from home if you can and look after your kids. Don't actually act like you have it and go and lie in bed for a few weeks.
13/01/2021 12:47:16 0 0
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And vote differently next time!
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13/01/2021 10:41:13 18 8
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And the scientists are now saying the new variant is only 30% transmissible not 70% as first "thought". They are just taking guesses left right and centre and have no clue whatsoever so make up a number to scare people.
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13/01/2021 10:51:50 3 3
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Do you know where that was so I can read it please so that I can show it to my fearing friends?
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13/01/2021 10:55:17 4 3
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Scientists initially said up to 70%

And government were happy to hide behind that rather than admit that virus was already out of control & their school reopening & Xmas plans were a disaster
13/01/2021 12:31:38 2 1
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AS YOU ARE SO.OO CLEVER WHY NOT TRY GETTING OVER TO THE HOSPITAL AND OFFERING YOUR SPARE TIME IT WOULD POSSIBLY HELP THE MEDICAL STAFF,,, BUT WOULD POSSIBLY TEACH YOU A VERY GOOD LESSON??
13/01/2021 12:45:58 0 0
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And you're rant doesn't even say what you probably meant to say! We'd be in far better shape if it was '30% transmissible', or even '70% transmissible'. Unfortunately the evidence to date suggests it's 170% transmissible.
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13/01/2021 10:32:18 359 21
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It’s in times like this we should rue the divisions that have been sown for many years by powers that be who exploit them (e.g. past/present politicians and media outlets).

Many problems right now with getting everyone on board and looking out for one another stems from a society where rather than cooperating, we just fight and blame each other, but actually those sowing divisions are at fault.
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13/01/2021 10:41:14 36 2
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Indeed, the tribalism, be it political, racial, or even down to which town you live in is being egged on by an ever more tribal set of media outlets, taking one side or the other.

In fact I have only seen one topic that has united the media, and sadly it's not (as it should be) the pandemic and how we should pull together to over come it.
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13/01/2021 10:41:15 9 7
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Watched the TV performance last night and could not believe how stupid Nail Paterson was. 'When is this going to end?' he demanded as thought the Health Sec' could magic the answer out of the ether.
Never once in all this pandemic have the govt' turned round and said to the media, 'Don't ask silly questions.'
We have a deplorable bunch of self centred journalists.
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13/01/2021 10:45:03 2 3
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Pity Kay Burley isn't doing it. The only one who can get an answer.
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13/01/2021 10:56:31 0 2
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It's a legitimate question that millions of us what to know the answer to
Pip
13/01/2021 12:35:41 0 0
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They have to keep the questions really simple, because most of our politicians can't understand them...........?
13/01/2021 13:08:10 0 0
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the journalists in MSM are part of the illusion
"People shouldn't take the mickey out of the rules."

Given the rules he is referring to. Wouldn't Hancock's message resonate more with the public if he had said: "People shouldn't take the Dominic out of the rules."
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13/01/2021 10:41:17 13 17
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lol, still waffling about Cummings. I scent desperation from our remoaner friends.
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13/01/2021 10:55:21 8 6
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Not a remainer, but cummins and now Boris - its not leading by example is it? lets face it Boris could fall of his bike land in St James Park, roll over into Green park and step into hyde park, but no chose to go 7 miles and i'm sure he'll have some security detail with him! Take your blinkers off sir Roy - its not big and its not clever!
"remoaner? "What has any of this got to do with Brexit? Brexit is done. You really should be moving on. It will be tough for obsessives, but you should try.

This debate is about observing (or not observing) lockdown rules.
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13/01/2021 11:06:21 8 4
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Only, the 'Cummings Effect' is a real and observed phenomenon. If pointing out that prescient detail is 'desperation' I don't know what to tell you.

I sense deflection from our gammon friends. Figures.
Pip
13/01/2021 12:24:54 0 0
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Unusual to see you getting positive votes..........?
13/01/2021 13:15:46 0 0
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Because any behaviour is OK as long as you support Brexit?
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13/01/2021 10:34:33 18 15
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in less than 9 months, nearly 100000 COVID deaths in hands of this guy, if he works in China, he would be sent straight in jail

end of

poor brits, well, you voted for this mess
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13/01/2021 10:41:23 6 1
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in china it would be reported as 1000 deaths
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13/01/2021 10:35:33 233 23
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Why were those protesting in Cardiff yesterday allowed to do so, yet two ladies walking in Derbyshire get fixed penalty fines? Don't just police those that can be policed.
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13/01/2021 10:41:29 78 21
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Because certain types of protests are OK, others not so much.

Any protest that fits the new agenda of division, OK.

Anything that promotes liberty. Not OK.
13/01/2021 12:23:51 3 2
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I didn't think the two ladies were protesting about anything at the time the police fined them, just trying to get some exercise and drink a cup of coffee.
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13/01/2021 10:41:41 5 4
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The timing of the peak is entirely in Hancock's hands. Many millions of us are mixing with others in factories making non-essential goods. Shut the factories and we can not only bring forward the peak we can lessen it.
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13/01/2021 10:44:10 3 5
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I'd say it's entirely in the public's hands tbh....if everyone followed the rules, then it wouldn't spread....end of...we can't keep blaming someone else for everything....though I know victim culture is ubiquitous in the UK these days...
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13/01/2021 10:34:50 8 11
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If we keep vaccinating as we are doing hopefully so, but the new variant seems so much more contagious clearly lockdown isn't as effective against the virus as its was before.
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13/01/2021 10:41:42 1 2
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Cases were rising in regions before the new variant was present there

The Tier system was failing once schools opened
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13/01/2021 10:36:38 20 22
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NHS figures are juggled, are they? You know this, do you?
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13/01/2021 10:41:50 8 3
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Did I mention the NHS doing it? Now put your toys back in the pram.
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13/01/2021 10:36:09 115 47
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Wasn't this thing supposed to have been all sorted by last summer? Every message is the same "if we all work together, we'll see light at the end of the tunnel..."; repeated ad nauseum every month or two. Just total hogwash.
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CJR
13/01/2021 10:41:54 7 15
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Yep if people had followed the rules, there was not different strains of Covid appearing, just maybe
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13/01/2021 10:42:00 5 5
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Follow the rules, don't make me laugh, everyone knows the rules. Too much freedom in this country has been given. Its come home to roost.....
Pip
13/01/2021 12:34:08 0 0
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When Cressida Dick admits she's not sure of the rules, why on earth do you assume everyone else does..........?
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13/01/2021 10:42:02 89 33
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I literally have to turn the TV off every time he comes on and starts talking. The man is so disingenuous and deluded.
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13/01/2021 11:04:20 72 26
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The fact that Hancock refuses to sit down and publicly debate with any of the thousands of highly qualified experts in their fields, who profoundly disagree with the strategy he is following, renders everything he says moot, as far as I'm concerned.
I have a very strong sense that the man is dangerously out of his depth
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JJ
13/01/2021 11:09:14 7 2
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The same applies to Priti, Gavin, Robert, Nadim.....
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13/01/2021 12:04:18 0 1
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Still better than Johnson though.