Customs staff: Vaccinate us to keep trade flowing
13/01/2021 | news | business | 163
One operator told the BBC his staff were working up to 16 hours a day to help traders.
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13/01/2021 10:37:44 11 11
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Good to see the usual BBC article positive about Brexit .....
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13/01/2021 10:41:40 18 15
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If Brexit were a good idea the evidence would be there for all to see.

As it is, the shops look a bit low on fresh food...
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13/01/2021 10:45:35 7 1
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It's called reporting the news. If all Brexit news is negative then they're not going to invent a positive.

However, I finally found a positive Brexit story today. If you get caught by a camera breaking the speed limit in France they can no longer get you back in the UK,

Bonus. Worth all this disruption....
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13/01/2021 10:37:44 11 11
bbc
Good to see the usual BBC article positive about Brexit .....
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13/01/2021 10:41:40 18 15
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If Brexit were a good idea the evidence would be there for all to see.

As it is, the shops look a bit low on fresh food...
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13/01/2021 10:53:38 8 5
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No, it's just the desperate remoaner BBC looking to find any tiny stumbling block and blow it out of all proportion - like the great percy pig shortage.

Any significant change like this will have initial teething problems, the real story is how truly few there have been compare to the starving in the streets/no insulin type of remoaner rhetoric.
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13/01/2021 10:43:10 48 7
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Just another lobby group trying to elbow their way to the top of the queue for the vaccine.

Welcome to selfish Britain.
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13/01/2021 10:54:45 27 2
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Indeed - I know an accountant who got a jab last week - works for a care home and even though does not interact with the inmates, managed to get herself added for the jab.
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13/01/2021 13:11:51 2 0
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Bet it's little different in most of the world
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13/01/2021 15:04:22 0 6
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So you don't think customs staff are important ?

They protect our borders.

You Brexiteers are weirdos.
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14/01/2021 11:49:13 0 0
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True, if there overworked, how about hiring more staff, exhaustion doesn't help in resisting a virus !!!
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13/01/2021 10:44:04 4 5
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How to define a keyworker is Tricky, My family and to those I have to pay bills to consider me to be a key worker. Can I get a Jab ?
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13/01/2021 13:45:04 2 0
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Whilst Tricky is an important part of this country's music scene, I don't think that makes him a keyworker.
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13/01/2021 10:44:49 19 20
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Brexit the gift that just keeps giving I really hope the idiots that voted for this are contented with theirselves
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13/01/2021 10:52:54 9 2
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'Themselves'?
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13/01/2021 11:15:49 4 1
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As a Brexiteer I am very content now we are out of the EU’s control.
Personally as a 71 year old I think the supermarket staff that deal with lots of people per day should have priority over old people like myself who have no health problems that have very little contact with others apart from those supermarket staff.
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13/01/2021 10:37:44 11 11
bbc
Good to see the usual BBC article positive about Brexit .....
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13/01/2021 10:45:35 7 1
bbc
It's called reporting the news. If all Brexit news is negative then they're not going to invent a positive.

However, I finally found a positive Brexit story today. If you get caught by a camera breaking the speed limit in France they can no longer get you back in the UK,

Bonus. Worth all this disruption....
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13/01/2021 10:47:02 13 13
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thought brexit was to do away with EU red tape lol WM just piled on so much more and in doing so is reducing exports and probably imports too So much for Global UK reap what you sow sympathy with drivers and custom staff they are at the sharp end now stay safe all
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NRB
13/01/2021 10:50:30 16 21
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The twits that signed off Brexit during a pandemic need to be brought to account - it is obvious that the clowns involved in this rubbish have fled the scene of the crime
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13/01/2021 10:52:28 33 9
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Almost everyone in the Country can come up with a reason of sorts as to why it should be them who get the vaccine above others. Stop bleating and just wait your turn. No-one is indispensible, remember that.
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13/01/2021 10:55:33 7 17
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You mean - sack them all and replace them? WHat exactly do you mean by "no-one is indispensible" ?
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13/01/2021 11:23:02 2 3
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I'm sure we will find out who is indispensable when they go off sick with COVID and there service grinds to a halt, everyone can then ask why they weren't prioritised
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13/01/2021 10:44:49 19 20
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Brexit the gift that just keeps giving I really hope the idiots that voted for this are contented with theirselves
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13/01/2021 10:52:54 9 2
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'Themselves'?
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MVS
13/01/2021 11:17:57 5 1
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Some people post the same nonsense day after day and still cannot use a spellchecker.
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13/01/2021 10:53:33 15 7
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Sounds fair to get all front line staff vaccinated whether they be customs, supermarket, transport or hospital. Anyone who has to work directly near others to provide the necessary services should get the vaccine before people like me who can isolate.
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13/01/2021 14:29:54 2 0
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It is also up to employers to reduce the risk of Covid for these employees. Probably needs a bit more imaginative thinking to make things safer.
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13/01/2021 10:41:40 18 15
bbc
If Brexit were a good idea the evidence would be there for all to see.

As it is, the shops look a bit low on fresh food...
12
13/01/2021 10:53:38 8 5
bbc
No, it's just the desperate remoaner BBC looking to find any tiny stumbling block and blow it out of all proportion - like the great percy pig shortage.

Any significant change like this will have initial teething problems, the real story is how truly few there have been compare to the starving in the streets/no insulin type of remoaner rhetoric.
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13/01/2021 10:43:10 48 7
bbc
Just another lobby group trying to elbow their way to the top of the queue for the vaccine.

Welcome to selfish Britain.
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13/01/2021 10:54:45 27 2
bbc
Indeed - I know an accountant who got a jab last week - works for a care home and even though does not interact with the inmates, managed to get herself added for the jab.
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13/01/2021 11:25:15 9 0
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"inmates"?
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13/01/2021 11:46:17 2 1
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Sure there was a story of a care home manager who gave his mates the vaccine ahead of staff. absolutely disgusting behaviour
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13/01/2021 10:52:28 33 9
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Almost everyone in the Country can come up with a reason of sorts as to why it should be them who get the vaccine above others. Stop bleating and just wait your turn. No-one is indispensible, remember that.
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13/01/2021 10:55:33 7 17
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You mean - sack them all and replace them? WHat exactly do you mean by "no-one is indispensible" ?
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13/01/2021 16:42:13 3 0
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If you catch it and die, you leave but a footprint, someone else will at some stage, and perhaps after some inconvenience, step into your shoes - from the highest in the land all the way down the foodchain, life must go on - all things must pass, no one is indispensible, nor indeed, should think that they are
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13/01/2021 10:57:50 14 17
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We held all the cards...
We threatened to walk away...
We were going to prosper mightily...

We have food shortages.
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13/01/2021 11:08:15 16 10
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“We have food shortages.”

More porkies from a dedicated Remoaner.
Absolutely no empty spaces on any supermarket shelves.
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13/01/2021 11:10:54 3 2
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Oh no, the great percy pig disaster of 2021!
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13/01/2021 11:34:30 4 2
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What guff!
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13/01/2021 11:06:02 16 9
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It is amusing to see all the claims from the different trade unions demanding their members are so essential to life they must have priority over others on the list for vaccination.
The only real key workers in overcrowded Britain are those in the food chain, water and energy supply.
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13/01/2021 11:16:03 5 6
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what about health and education then? One could argue Customs are part of the food chain. Not sure that water and energy workers have that much public contact
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13/01/2021 10:57:50 14 17
bbc
We held all the cards...
We threatened to walk away...
We were going to prosper mightily...

We have food shortages.
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13/01/2021 11:08:15 16 10
bbc
“We have food shortages.”

More porkies from a dedicated Remoaner.
Absolutely no empty spaces on any supermarket shelves.
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13/01/2021 11:45:24 3 2
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I've seen it with my own eyes. I was wearing a mask too.

Keep on being in denial. Why stop now? You own this mess.
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13/01/2021 12:49:12 1 1
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I think the people in NI would disagree with you.
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13/01/2021 11:09:14 31 2
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We should stick with the priority list set by JCVI - at least this has a veneer of impartial and objective logic.

Otherwise it is just self interest.
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13/01/2021 16:44:21 12 1
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The selfish, all clambering to jump the queue and get vaxed first.
Police, customs officers and so on.
GARY LINEKER was actually on TV last night, lobbying for Premiership Footballers to get vaccinated first. What an absolute MUPPET of a man!
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13/01/2021 10:57:50 14 17
bbc
We held all the cards...
We threatened to walk away...
We were going to prosper mightily...

We have food shortages.
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13/01/2021 11:10:54 3 2
bbc
Oh no, the great percy pig disaster of 2021!
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13/01/2021 11:47:36 1 3
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Percy Pig was an example of a product affected by Brexit.

When the media dumb down, Leavers still take it literally. It's as silly as believing the Cape of Good Hope is the southern tip of Africa.
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13/01/2021 11:14:35 6 5
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after the NHS , care and emergency services staff, it makes sense to vaccinate any other workers doing vital jobs that have to interract with others daily. As for food shortages , really ? all our locals and supermarkets have plenty of food...... as for the Brexit and Customs issues, let's see how things stand in a few weeks time. And many overseas hauliers are staying away because of COVID !
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13/01/2021 13:51:24 1 1
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It's the shops in NI that are short of food as we imposed a trade barrier between them and the GB. There is more to the UK than England. Please try to keep up.
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13/01/2021 10:44:49 19 20
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Brexit the gift that just keeps giving I really hope the idiots that voted for this are contented with theirselves
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13/01/2021 11:15:49 4 1
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As a Brexiteer I am very content now we are out of the EU’s control.
Personally as a 71 year old I think the supermarket staff that deal with lots of people per day should have priority over old people like myself who have no health problems that have very little contact with others apart from those supermarket staff.
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13/01/2021 11:37:03 1 1
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Totally agree, the priorities are wrong, I am 64 and further down the queue than you. First vaccinate those that work in the key sectors (NHS, food supply chains, energy and utilities to name some examples), then go on to the elderly and vulnerable that are not in contact with so many people but can be protected by shielding.
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13/01/2021 11:06:02 16 9
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It is amusing to see all the claims from the different trade unions demanding their members are so essential to life they must have priority over others on the list for vaccination.
The only real key workers in overcrowded Britain are those in the food chain, water and energy supply.
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13/01/2021 11:16:03 5 6
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what about health and education then? One could argue Customs are part of the food chain. Not sure that water and energy workers have that much public contact
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13/01/2021 11:51:52 1 1
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You will not live very long without water
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13/01/2021 11:16:04 5 5
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If Brexit is a reason why these businesses are busier then they should have anticipated that and hired more staff. If these people are frontline staff then they would still be frontline staff even if Brexit had not happened. What have these customs operators done to create a safe environment for their employees? If that is not possible then why?
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13/01/2021 10:52:54 9 2
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'Themselves'?
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MVS
13/01/2021 11:17:57 5 1
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Some people post the same nonsense day after day and still cannot use a spellchecker.
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13/01/2021 11:19:42 4 2
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Comment posted by Keith, today at 11:06Keith
11:06
"The only real key workers in overcrowded Britain are those in the food chain, water and energy supply".

So Doctors, Nurses and other clinicians don't rate highly in your estimation. Presumably, other vital worker will not rate highly if they are in a Union or haven forbid not white.
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13/01/2021 11:41:48 0 2
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how many more times do we have to say this, any worker is a key worker, without us all, we collapse into a pit.
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13/01/2021 10:52:28 33 9
bbc
Almost everyone in the Country can come up with a reason of sorts as to why it should be them who get the vaccine above others. Stop bleating and just wait your turn. No-one is indispensible, remember that.
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13/01/2021 11:23:02 2 3
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I'm sure we will find out who is indispensable when they go off sick with COVID and there service grinds to a halt, everyone can then ask why they weren't prioritised
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13/01/2021 11:24:53 45 1
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Everyone getting in on the "vaccinate me first" bandwagon.

Don't they realise that for every person who jumps up the list, people who are at serious risk will be pushed further down the list.

They can try to justify it as much as they like, but they are being naive at best, but selfish at worst.
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13/01/2021 11:47:54 7 13
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Everyone getting in on the "vaccinate me first" bandwagon.

They can have mine.
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13/01/2021 17:12:21 0 4
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The pecking order is my 84 year old father and 77 y-o mother (2 forms of dementia), then me (50+ and working from home) then our dustman, school teachers, police, supermarket workers etc etc who are all younger than me. This is completely the wrong way round. Prioritise those keeping the country going. Don't sacrifice the country to "save the nhs", whatever that means.
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Bob
13/01/2021 11:25:00 54 4
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Teachers - we need the vaccine first!
Customers officers - we need the vaccine first!
Police - we need the vaccine first!
Shop workers - we need the vaccine first!
And so on.

Can't all be first.
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13/01/2021 13:13:56 7 14
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Those under 50 from those professions can be 1st after March when people most likely to die from COVID are done.

The UK responds to crises slowly (always has - unfortunately - always will) but in the end we're really good at volunteering and figuring out how to get things done!

Doing the Vaccination right can be Mr Johnson's gift to the UK then he can resign and let Mr Sunak clear up the mess
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13/01/2021 13:54:57 4 2
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There is a case for prioritising all of those over those that are 80+ though.

The country made the decision to prioritise the elderly over key workers. Whether that was the right decision will only become clear in time.
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13/01/2021 17:28:35 0 1
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Oh please wise one tell us who... first?
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14/01/2021 11:03:30 0 0
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Its a no brainer that hospital staff should be first, as every hospital doctor or nurse who is protected may save many more lives. Even if it is only through not having to take time off work.
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14/01/2021 15:04:33 0 0
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Quite right. Should be seniors first, politicians last!
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13/01/2021 10:54:45 27 2
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Indeed - I know an accountant who got a jab last week - works for a care home and even though does not interact with the inmates, managed to get herself added for the jab.
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13/01/2021 11:25:15 9 0
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"inmates"?
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13/01/2021 11:25:44 4 5
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This is about Vaccination why throw in the race card??
Bob
11:25
"Teachers - we need the vaccine first!
Customers officers - we need the vaccine first!
Police - we need the vaccine first!
Shop workers - we need the vaccine first!
And so on.
Can't all be first".

Brexiteers to be last then.
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13/01/2021 11:31:55 12 10
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Comment posted by JANU, today at 11:25JANU
11:25
"This is about Vaccination why throw in the race card"??

Because when a poster mentions "overcrowded Britain" they are usually referring to immigrants, why don't you ask a brexiteer.
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13/01/2021 11:29:15 17 2
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Everyone could surely make a similar justification for an early vaccination.
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13/01/2021 11:34:26 12 8
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More media driven anguish to worry us all!

The customs systems are working albeit with some teething problems created mainly by those companies / drivers who have not prepared themselves adequately.

Like any new protocols, it will take a bit of time to raise service standards to required levels, but importantly the anticipated hold-ups have not been seen to any great extent.
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13/01/2021 13:20:33 1 5
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Traffic's at 40% of usual volumes and there are still delays and the UK has suspended all customs checks to speed up flow. When Brexiteers notice that "taking back control" currently means "waving everyone through" then they might wake up to the idea that what they had wasn't as bad as they've been led to believe.
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13/01/2021 10:57:50 14 17
bbc
We held all the cards...
We threatened to walk away...
We were going to prosper mightily...

We have food shortages.
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13/01/2021 11:34:30 4 2
bbc
What guff!
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13/01/2021 11:15:49 4 1
bbc
As a Brexiteer I am very content now we are out of the EU’s control.
Personally as a 71 year old I think the supermarket staff that deal with lots of people per day should have priority over old people like myself who have no health problems that have very little contact with others apart from those supermarket staff.
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13/01/2021 11:37:03 1 1
bbc
Totally agree, the priorities are wrong, I am 64 and further down the queue than you. First vaccinate those that work in the key sectors (NHS, food supply chains, energy and utilities to name some examples), then go on to the elderly and vulnerable that are not in contact with so many people but can be protected by shielding.
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13/01/2021 11:19:42 4 2
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Comment posted by Keith, today at 11:06Keith
11:06
"The only real key workers in overcrowded Britain are those in the food chain, water and energy supply".

So Doctors, Nurses and other clinicians don't rate highly in your estimation. Presumably, other vital worker will not rate highly if they are in a Union or haven forbid not white.
37
13/01/2021 11:41:48 0 2
bbc
how many more times do we have to say this, any worker is a key worker, without us all, we collapse into a pit.
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13/01/2021 11:58:34 1 0
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Well - clearly you are unfamiliar with the work of Douglas Adams and the travellers in the Third Ark.......
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13/01/2021 11:43:29 2 4
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the proud boys would sort it out !
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13/01/2021 11:56:49 3 0
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However much BS we get in the UK, at least it is British BS not that more virulent US strain......
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13/01/2021 11:08:15 16 10
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“We have food shortages.”

More porkies from a dedicated Remoaner.
Absolutely no empty spaces on any supermarket shelves.
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13/01/2021 11:45:24 3 2
bbc
I've seen it with my own eyes. I was wearing a mask too.

Keep on being in denial. Why stop now? You own this mess.
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13/01/2021 10:54:45 27 2
bbc
Indeed - I know an accountant who got a jab last week - works for a care home and even though does not interact with the inmates, managed to get herself added for the jab.
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13/01/2021 11:46:17 2 1
bbc
Sure there was a story of a care home manager who gave his mates the vaccine ahead of staff. absolutely disgusting behaviour
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13/01/2021 11:46:29 9 11
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You're at the back of the queue mate. The tories have wilfully ruined the economy with their one-eyed obsession with 'taking back contro'l. Why would they try to redeem themselves now?
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13/01/2021 12:13:55 8 2
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Brexit vote was won in the traditional labour heartlands of the north, as was Boris's 80 seat majority.

Most tory MPs were pro EU - ERG is tiny.

The liberal london centric political elite were arrogantly out of touch on Europe for decades.

The working classes of midlands and north rejected it.
Bob
11:25
"Teachers - we need the vaccine first!
Customers officers - we need the vaccine first!
Police - we need the vaccine first!
Shop workers - we need the vaccine first!
And so on.
Can't all be first".

Brexiteers to be last then.
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13/01/2021 11:10:54 3 2
bbc
Oh no, the great percy pig disaster of 2021!
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13/01/2021 11:47:36 1 3
bbc
Percy Pig was an example of a product affected by Brexit.

When the media dumb down, Leavers still take it literally. It's as silly as believing the Cape of Good Hope is the southern tip of Africa.
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13/01/2021 11:24:53 45 1
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Everyone getting in on the "vaccinate me first" bandwagon.

Don't they realise that for every person who jumps up the list, people who are at serious risk will be pushed further down the list.

They can try to justify it as much as they like, but they are being naive at best, but selfish at worst.
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13/01/2021 11:47:54 7 13
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Everyone getting in on the "vaccinate me first" bandwagon.

They can have mine.
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13/01/2021 11:49:37 2 0
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what do you think of it so far ?
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13/01/2021 11:16:03 5 6
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what about health and education then? One could argue Customs are part of the food chain. Not sure that water and energy workers have that much public contact
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13/01/2021 11:51:52 1 1
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You will not live very long without water
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13/01/2021 11:53:19 3 1
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Thankfully there is no way to pay to jump the queue yet - won't be surprised if there isn't a black market for vaccines any time soon for those willing to pay big bucks!
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13/01/2021 11:58:06 1 9
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There should be a way to pay for an early vaccination - take a businesswoman who is in-charge of multiple sites around the world, at some point she needs to visit the sites, she and her company might decide that £500 was worth paying - this £500 goes into the coffers to pay for other people's.
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13/01/2021 11:54:40 7 1
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Sad and predictable, with so many groups claiming special prioritisation.

Many at risk in will already be covered by existing current JCVI lists.

If customs are struggling, then perhaps key goods should be prioritised.

Medicines, fresh fruit and veg, before less critical products like flowers, wine or TVs/game consoles etc.

Same with Royal mail, should stop junk mail, most goes in bins anyway.
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13/01/2021 11:43:29 2 4
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the proud boys would sort it out !
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13/01/2021 11:56:49 3 0
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However much BS we get in the UK, at least it is British BS not that more virulent US strain......
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13/01/2021 11:53:19 3 1
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Thankfully there is no way to pay to jump the queue yet - won't be surprised if there isn't a black market for vaccines any time soon for those willing to pay big bucks!
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13/01/2021 11:58:06 1 9
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There should be a way to pay for an early vaccination - take a businesswoman who is in-charge of multiple sites around the world, at some point she needs to visit the sites, she and her company might decide that £500 was worth paying - this £500 goes into the coffers to pay for other people's.
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13/01/2021 12:06:10 8 0
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Then you would have a rich vs poor situation. The most needy should be vaccinated first, not the rich.
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13/01/2021 12:29:03 1 0
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In isolation one business person paying may sound ok, but when it becomes 1,000s, or 100,000s of people with money jumping queue then gets morally dubious very quickly and politically risky.

Did you read the scathing articles when 1 firm offered £5000 for end of day vaccines?

When done with phase 1, then maybe all key workers can be i.e. any not able to work from home but maybe tricky to admin.
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13/01/2021 11:41:48 0 2
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how many more times do we have to say this, any worker is a key worker, without us all, we collapse into a pit.
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13/01/2021 11:58:34 1 0
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Well - clearly you are unfamiliar with the work of Douglas Adams and the travellers in the Third Ark.......
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13/01/2021 12:01:31 3 1
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Scottish fishermen are setting up companies in ni to avoid tariffs and access to the single market
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13/01/2021 12:04:39 1 1
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Ineviteable.....
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13/01/2021 12:03:02 19 1
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Vaccinate those at most risk of filling up our hospitals first as we are doing, its the right policy. Once the NHS starts to be able to treat all diseases we all get more chance of life. Cancer is going to kill 1 in 4 customs officers they should be much more worried about not getting treatment for this currently and look into the range of risks, why they don't understand this is beyond me..
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13/01/2021 12:07:06 9 0
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I agree current policy should stand - we need the Covid mortality/hospitalisation rate to drop to a fraction of current levels. I dispute the comment on non-Covid treatment - in my experience in 2020 the NHS was treating non-covid conditions
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13/01/2021 12:04:15 7 1
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cheap fish in Scotland, tbe can not get them to the EU in time
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13/01/2021 12:01:31 3 1
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Scottish fishermen are setting up companies in ni to avoid tariffs and access to the single market
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13/01/2021 12:04:39 1 1
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Ineviteable.....
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13/01/2021 12:05:27 13 1
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Where would the customs staff come in priority - above 80 year olds, or 70 year olds ? A 25 year old healthy customs officer has priority over a 50 year old ? So they have 14 staff and two are isolating. Wouldn't they still have to isolate even if they have the vaccination? I would have thought you can still carry & spread the virus even if you have been vacinated - so still need to isolate.
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IAN
13/01/2021 12:23:30 1 1
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This article is not talking about Border Force staff but customs agents.
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13/01/2021 22:06:16 0 0
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Before
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13/01/2021 12:05:36 1 1
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donald is looking for a job, he would sort it out !
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13/01/2021 12:07:54 1 0
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Yeah - he'd build a wall along 5% of the English coastline. It would take him 4 years.
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13/01/2021 11:58:06 1 9
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There should be a way to pay for an early vaccination - take a businesswoman who is in-charge of multiple sites around the world, at some point she needs to visit the sites, she and her company might decide that £500 was worth paying - this £500 goes into the coffers to pay for other people's.
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13/01/2021 12:06:10 8 0
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Then you would have a rich vs poor situation. The most needy should be vaccinated first, not the rich.
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13/01/2021 13:50:55 0 0
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The businesswomen is needy - she needs to travel abroad for her job.
53
13/01/2021 12:03:02 19 1
bbc
Vaccinate those at most risk of filling up our hospitals first as we are doing, its the right policy. Once the NHS starts to be able to treat all diseases we all get more chance of life. Cancer is going to kill 1 in 4 customs officers they should be much more worried about not getting treatment for this currently and look into the range of risks, why they don't understand this is beyond me..
59
13/01/2021 12:07:06 9 0
bbc
I agree current policy should stand - we need the Covid mortality/hospitalisation rate to drop to a fraction of current levels. I dispute the comment on non-Covid treatment - in my experience in 2020 the NHS was treating non-covid conditions
63
13/01/2021 12:12:46 0 0
bbc
No absolutes to be sure, the below was from June imagine what bits like now?

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m2386
82
13/01/2021 13:02:12 1 1
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The nhs was treating some patients, but the queue for many diagnostics and treatments has grown massively, with stats on those waiting e.g. 12 m way up on last winter.

And this despite a massive drop in gp referrals some say as many as c 5m across nhs.

My own experience been longer waits for both scans and then follow up consultant visits cf last year.
57
13/01/2021 12:05:36 1 1
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donald is looking for a job, he would sort it out !
60
13/01/2021 12:07:54 1 0
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Yeah - he'd build a wall along 5% of the English coastline. It would take him 4 years.
61
13/01/2021 12:09:58 0 7
bbc
At long last the logic of vaccination hits home

Who is getting and giving the virus?

Shop workers, delivery drivers, police, posties, health professional and carers - people who actually have to interact with people

Vaccinating the isolated vulnerable outside of care homes is both hard and actually not that effective since they get it but don't pass it on

Cut the transmission lines
66
13/01/2021 12:16:48 7 0
bbc
"Vaccinating the isolated vulnerable outside of care homes is both hard and actually not that effective"

So, just let them die?

I'm in that catagory and don't appreciate your comment. What, just leave me sitting at home while the rest of the UK go first, when I'm more at risk than them? Where is my right to be free to go out and socialise.
67
13/01/2021 12:17:26 3 0
bbc
Isn't the point of the vaccination to reduce the risk of death. So surely a shielded 80 year old in a care home is still more at risk than a healthy young postie or shop worker ? If the postie is over 50 and has a health condition then they will have the appropriate priority.
68
13/01/2021 12:18:46 1 0
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PS I didn't think the vaccination stopped the transmission of covid. Even with the jab you can still spread the virus.
62
13/01/2021 12:11:37 9 3
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My wife is an early years practitioner. There is a petition going around asking the gov the same thing - early vaccination. While I signed the petition, I told her that once (if) you get the go-ahead, then there's hauliers Union, the small shop keepers union, supermarkets, airport staff and border control etc, all asking the same. At that point, there is chaos.
59
13/01/2021 12:07:06 9 0
bbc
I agree current policy should stand - we need the Covid mortality/hospitalisation rate to drop to a fraction of current levels. I dispute the comment on non-Covid treatment - in my experience in 2020 the NHS was treating non-covid conditions
63
13/01/2021 12:12:46 0 0
bbc
No absolutes to be sure, the below was from June imagine what bits like now?

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m2386
64
13/01/2021 12:13:45 10 1
bbc
Every key worker is a priority - it is just that some are more of a priority than others and someone has had to make that decision which will not please all of the people all of the time
41
13/01/2021 11:46:29 9 11
bbc
You're at the back of the queue mate. The tories have wilfully ruined the economy with their one-eyed obsession with 'taking back contro'l. Why would they try to redeem themselves now?
65
13/01/2021 12:13:55 8 2
bbc
Brexit vote was won in the traditional labour heartlands of the north, as was Boris's 80 seat majority.

Most tory MPs were pro EU - ERG is tiny.

The liberal london centric political elite were arrogantly out of touch on Europe for decades.

The working classes of midlands and north rejected it.
61
13/01/2021 12:09:58 0 7
bbc
At long last the logic of vaccination hits home

Who is getting and giving the virus?

Shop workers, delivery drivers, police, posties, health professional and carers - people who actually have to interact with people

Vaccinating the isolated vulnerable outside of care homes is both hard and actually not that effective since they get it but don't pass it on

Cut the transmission lines
66
13/01/2021 12:16:48 7 0
bbc
"Vaccinating the isolated vulnerable outside of care homes is both hard and actually not that effective"

So, just let them die?

I'm in that catagory and don't appreciate your comment. What, just leave me sitting at home while the rest of the UK go first, when I'm more at risk than them? Where is my right to be free to go out and socialise.
61
13/01/2021 12:09:58 0 7
bbc
At long last the logic of vaccination hits home

Who is getting and giving the virus?

Shop workers, delivery drivers, police, posties, health professional and carers - people who actually have to interact with people

Vaccinating the isolated vulnerable outside of care homes is both hard and actually not that effective since they get it but don't pass it on

Cut the transmission lines
67
13/01/2021 12:17:26 3 0
bbc
Isn't the point of the vaccination to reduce the risk of death. So surely a shielded 80 year old in a care home is still more at risk than a healthy young postie or shop worker ? If the postie is over 50 and has a health condition then they will have the appropriate priority.
61
13/01/2021 12:09:58 0 7
bbc
At long last the logic of vaccination hits home

Who is getting and giving the virus?

Shop workers, delivery drivers, police, posties, health professional and carers - people who actually have to interact with people

Vaccinating the isolated vulnerable outside of care homes is both hard and actually not that effective since they get it but don't pass it on

Cut the transmission lines
68
13/01/2021 12:18:46 1 0
bbc
PS I didn't think the vaccination stopped the transmission of covid. Even with the jab you can still spread the virus.
69
13/01/2021 12:20:00 26 0
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The scramble for lifeboats on the Titanic was more ordered. The vaccine is to stop people dying & then to stop people needing hospital treatment. So supermarkets, teachers, customs, meat factories, funeral directors will have to wait like the rest of us.

Unknown if the vaccine stops transmission - could be that people who have been vaccinated will still catch it and still have to self-isolate
71
13/01/2021 12:23:34 8 1
bbc
Exactly ...
70
13/01/2021 12:21:18 2 2
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All these other groups are the ones that should be offered it between 10pm and 6am when elderly people would not want to be attending - needs the NHS to cut through the red tape to make it happen. If these groups don’t want it at that time of day at least that will be their choice - assumes there are enough doses anyway.
76
13/01/2021 12:44:48 2 1
bbc
Not just red-tape. You need staff to man these places 24/7. There aren't enough to staff the hospitals let alone vaccine centres 24/7
78
13/01/2021 12:47:26 0 0
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If and when supplies actually allow it, maybe they will.

Some Vacc centres are struggling to run at capacity.

The gp led clinic on news last night was saying only getting 50% requested on Thurs.

Politicians and media trying to jump on bandwagon, looking at things that have taken months to plan and ignoring real world constraints.

For 11/1 UK did c150K, let's see if rises, as govt says expects.
69
13/01/2021 12:20:00 26 0
bbc
The scramble for lifeboats on the Titanic was more ordered. The vaccine is to stop people dying & then to stop people needing hospital treatment. So supermarkets, teachers, customs, meat factories, funeral directors will have to wait like the rest of us.

Unknown if the vaccine stops transmission - could be that people who have been vaccinated will still catch it and still have to self-isolate
71
13/01/2021 12:23:34 8 1
bbc
Exactly ...
50
13/01/2021 11:58:06 1 9
bbc
There should be a way to pay for an early vaccination - take a businesswoman who is in-charge of multiple sites around the world, at some point she needs to visit the sites, she and her company might decide that £500 was worth paying - this £500 goes into the coffers to pay for other people's.
72
13/01/2021 12:29:03 1 0
bbc
In isolation one business person paying may sound ok, but when it becomes 1,000s, or 100,000s of people with money jumping queue then gets morally dubious very quickly and politically risky.

Did you read the scathing articles when 1 firm offered £5000 for end of day vaccines?

When done with phase 1, then maybe all key workers can be i.e. any not able to work from home but maybe tricky to admin.
104
13/01/2021 13:52:10 0 1
bbc
Why is it morally dubious, perhaps the most moral thing is to ensure those who are wealthy and feel they need to jump the queue to subsidise the rest of the country rather than continue adding to our debt for the kids to pay off.
56
13/01/2021 12:05:27 13 1
bbc
Where would the customs staff come in priority - above 80 year olds, or 70 year olds ? A 25 year old healthy customs officer has priority over a 50 year old ? So they have 14 staff and two are isolating. Wouldn't they still have to isolate even if they have the vaccination? I would have thought you can still carry & spread the virus even if you have been vacinated - so still need to isolate.
73
IAN
13/01/2021 12:23:30 1 1
bbc
This article is not talking about Border Force staff but customs agents.
74
13/01/2021 12:36:10 4 0
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Has anyone ever dealt with the UK Border Force for business? Those guys are proper clueless Muppets that use out dated terminology and documents.
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IAN
13/01/2021 16:42:32 1 0
bbc
This article is about customs agents private companies that process the paperwork on freight operators behalf not BF staff.
75
13/01/2021 12:42:42 5 0
bbc
Everyone thinks that their own industry needs priority to keep the economy rolling; teachers and policemen really need to be ahead of customs.
77
13/01/2021 12:46:57 4 1
bbc
And posties and home delivery people because they are transmission vectors.

But they all need to be after the vulnerable.

And the customs officers are way down the list.
70
13/01/2021 12:21:18 2 2
bbc
All these other groups are the ones that should be offered it between 10pm and 6am when elderly people would not want to be attending - needs the NHS to cut through the red tape to make it happen. If these groups don’t want it at that time of day at least that will be their choice - assumes there are enough doses anyway.
76
13/01/2021 12:44:48 2 1
bbc
Not just red-tape. You need staff to man these places 24/7. There aren't enough to staff the hospitals let alone vaccine centres 24/7
75
13/01/2021 12:42:42 5 0
bbc
Everyone thinks that their own industry needs priority to keep the economy rolling; teachers and policemen really need to be ahead of customs.
77
13/01/2021 12:46:57 4 1
bbc
And posties and home delivery people because they are transmission vectors.

But they all need to be after the vulnerable.

And the customs officers are way down the list.
94
13/01/2021 13:24:12 0 3
bbc
Why do you think they are way down the list? You want flow of goods on the border to be stopped completely?....
70
13/01/2021 12:21:18 2 2
bbc
All these other groups are the ones that should be offered it between 10pm and 6am when elderly people would not want to be attending - needs the NHS to cut through the red tape to make it happen. If these groups don’t want it at that time of day at least that will be their choice - assumes there are enough doses anyway.
78
13/01/2021 12:47:26 0 0
bbc
If and when supplies actually allow it, maybe they will.

Some Vacc centres are struggling to run at capacity.

The gp led clinic on news last night was saying only getting 50% requested on Thurs.

Politicians and media trying to jump on bandwagon, looking at things that have taken months to plan and ignoring real world constraints.

For 11/1 UK did c150K, let's see if rises, as govt says expects.
17
13/01/2021 11:08:15 16 10
bbc
“We have food shortages.”

More porkies from a dedicated Remoaner.
Absolutely no empty spaces on any supermarket shelves.
79
13/01/2021 12:49:12 1 1
bbc
I think the people in NI would disagree with you.
80
13/01/2021 12:49:44 5 1
bbc
Being vaccinated means you can't get ill from the virus. It doesn't mean you can then just go back to life as before or work as if you don't have to worry.
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SH
13/01/2021 13:22:25 4 0
bbc
Almost right, the vaccine doesn't stop you getting the virus but what it does do is enable the bodies immune system to recognise the virus and produce the correct antibodies capable of fighting it so that any symptoms are mild and short lived rather than potentially deadly.
93
13/01/2021 13:23:22 0 1
bbc
Nope, it means exactly that.

Once vaccinated the chances of you suffering ill effects from the virus are tiny. Chance of hospitalisation - negligible.
81
13/01/2021 12:49:50 10 2
bbc
Whatever next.... HMRC? please stab us as we can't collect the taxes without vaccination???
Debt collectors? all those legs aren't going to break themselves....
91
13/01/2021 13:21:47 2 7
bbc
Sure. You'd rather flow of goods on the borders stopped completely?

Hey, no problem! We only import 40% of our foodsuffs! Check out Northern Ireland and the empty shelves there....
59
13/01/2021 12:07:06 9 0
bbc
I agree current policy should stand - we need the Covid mortality/hospitalisation rate to drop to a fraction of current levels. I dispute the comment on non-Covid treatment - in my experience in 2020 the NHS was treating non-covid conditions
82
13/01/2021 13:02:12 1 1
bbc
The nhs was treating some patients, but the queue for many diagnostics and treatments has grown massively, with stats on those waiting e.g. 12 m way up on last winter.

And this despite a massive drop in gp referrals some say as many as c 5m across nhs.

My own experience been longer waits for both scans and then follow up consultant visits cf last year.
83
13/01/2021 13:08:16 2 4
bbc
Well I nominate actors they seem key to me given how much online streaming we are consuming, put them first.
84
13/01/2021 13:10:31 5 1
bbc
Vaccinations done properly, 2 injections 2-3 weeks apart
Only actually give the efficacy projected after around 4 weeks

People have caught the virus within a few days of having the vaccination
90
13/01/2021 13:21:11 7 1
bbc
Massive point. What people don't understand is that, when vaccinated, it doesn't stop them spreading. All it does is dull down the symptoms. My fear is the 'yay I've had the jab I can do what I like' mentality...
3
13/01/2021 10:43:10 48 7
bbc
Just another lobby group trying to elbow their way to the top of the queue for the vaccine.

Welcome to selfish Britain.
85
13/01/2021 13:11:51 2 0
bbc
Bet it's little different in most of the world
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Bob
13/01/2021 11:25:00 54 4
bbc
Teachers - we need the vaccine first!
Customers officers - we need the vaccine first!
Police - we need the vaccine first!
Shop workers - we need the vaccine first!
And so on.

Can't all be first.
86
13/01/2021 13:13:56 7 14
bbc
Those under 50 from those professions can be 1st after March when people most likely to die from COVID are done.

The UK responds to crises slowly (always has - unfortunately - always will) but in the end we're really good at volunteering and figuring out how to get things done!

Doing the Vaccination right can be Mr Johnson's gift to the UK then he can resign and let Mr Sunak clear up the mess
106
13/01/2021 13:56:05 2 5
bbc
I'd prefer he resign now as - based on past performance - he won't do the vaccinations right.
87
13/01/2021 13:15:17 4 10
bbc
UK, as always, a Farce Waiting to Happen. Not quite as bad as Trump, but waiting non-the-less.

Glad I'm Scottish
88
13/01/2021 13:18:56 5 8
bbc
So we now need to add customs staff to the list of CV vaccine priorities! Only an idiot would've missed them off the original list, which is obviously how they were missed off the original list!

This Govt is always playing "catch up" but with a leader who can't even answer "what day of the week it is"? are we surprised???
96
13/01/2021 13:29:56 6 1
bbc
Customs staff Yes. I'd also mention Supermarket staff as they are essentially key workers and facing numpties who ignore the rules.
34
13/01/2021 11:34:26 12 8
bbc
More media driven anguish to worry us all!

The customs systems are working albeit with some teething problems created mainly by those companies / drivers who have not prepared themselves adequately.

Like any new protocols, it will take a bit of time to raise service standards to required levels, but importantly the anticipated hold-ups have not been seen to any great extent.
89
13/01/2021 13:20:33 1 5
bbc
Traffic's at 40% of usual volumes and there are still delays and the UK has suspended all customs checks to speed up flow. When Brexiteers notice that "taking back control" currently means "waving everyone through" then they might wake up to the idea that what they had wasn't as bad as they've been led to believe.
119
13/01/2021 14:47:14 2 0
bbc
Yawn
84
13/01/2021 13:10:31 5 1
bbc
Vaccinations done properly, 2 injections 2-3 weeks apart
Only actually give the efficacy projected after around 4 weeks

People have caught the virus within a few days of having the vaccination
90
13/01/2021 13:21:11 7 1
bbc
Massive point. What people don't understand is that, when vaccinated, it doesn't stop them spreading. All it does is dull down the symptoms. My fear is the 'yay I've had the jab I can do what I like' mentality...
124
13/01/2021 15:23:31 2 0
bbc
And that is exactly why the Government is keen to play down setting of target dates to relax restrictions.

Some will interpret that as "we can all do what we like come the umpteenth of whatever" and they'll start lowering their guard already. Meanwhile journos and opposition politicians continually try to goad the Government into setting targets so they hit them with it later.
81
13/01/2021 12:49:50 10 2
bbc
Whatever next.... HMRC? please stab us as we can't collect the taxes without vaccination???
Debt collectors? all those legs aren't going to break themselves....
91
13/01/2021 13:21:47 2 7
bbc
Sure. You'd rather flow of goods on the borders stopped completely?

Hey, no problem! We only import 40% of our foodsuffs! Check out Northern Ireland and the empty shelves there....
80
13/01/2021 12:49:44 5 1
bbc
Being vaccinated means you can't get ill from the virus. It doesn't mean you can then just go back to life as before or work as if you don't have to worry.
92
SH
13/01/2021 13:22:25 4 0
bbc
Almost right, the vaccine doesn't stop you getting the virus but what it does do is enable the bodies immune system to recognise the virus and produce the correct antibodies capable of fighting it so that any symptoms are mild and short lived rather than potentially deadly.
80
13/01/2021 12:49:44 5 1
bbc
Being vaccinated means you can't get ill from the virus. It doesn't mean you can then just go back to life as before or work as if you don't have to worry.
93
13/01/2021 13:23:22 0 1
bbc
Nope, it means exactly that.

Once vaccinated the chances of you suffering ill effects from the virus are tiny. Chance of hospitalisation - negligible.
77
13/01/2021 12:46:57 4 1
bbc
And posties and home delivery people because they are transmission vectors.

But they all need to be after the vulnerable.

And the customs officers are way down the list.
94
13/01/2021 13:24:12 0 3
bbc
Why do you think they are way down the list? You want flow of goods on the border to be stopped completely?....
95
Stu
13/01/2021 13:29:08 1 0
bbc
"I'm Brian and so is my wife"
88
13/01/2021 13:18:56 5 8
bbc
So we now need to add customs staff to the list of CV vaccine priorities! Only an idiot would've missed them off the original list, which is obviously how they were missed off the original list!

This Govt is always playing "catch up" but with a leader who can't even answer "what day of the week it is"? are we surprised???
96
13/01/2021 13:29:56 6 1
bbc
Customs staff Yes. I'd also mention Supermarket staff as they are essentially key workers and facing numpties who ignore the rules.
97
13/01/2021 13:31:11 9 0
bbc
There are lots of groups of people who can make an argument as to why they should be vaccinated first.

I'm of the opinion that the government is right in prioritizing those who are most likely to get seriously ill or die.
99
13/01/2021 13:46:06 4 11
bbc
And they (tories) know 'Squat' other than the size of their bank balance?. Bike ride with the security entourage in tow? Not very clever. The rest? Time will tell...
140
13/01/2021 20:12:47 0 0
bbc
One of the very few things I agree with the government about........
156
14/01/2021 09:44:46 1 0
bbc
I'm inclined to agree, but there may also be a case for giving first vaccinations to those who are most likely to spread the virus to others - mainly those who, because of their work, come into contact with a lot of other people. Obviously, this includes doctors and nurses, but also people like shop workers and delivery drivers.
4
13/01/2021 10:44:04 4 5
bbc
How to define a keyworker is Tricky, My family and to those I have to pay bills to consider me to be a key worker. Can I get a Jab ?
98
13/01/2021 13:45:04 2 0
bbc
Whilst Tricky is an important part of this country's music scene, I don't think that makes him a keyworker.
97
13/01/2021 13:31:11 9 0
bbc
There are lots of groups of people who can make an argument as to why they should be vaccinated first.

I'm of the opinion that the government is right in prioritizing those who are most likely to get seriously ill or die.
99
13/01/2021 13:46:06 4 11
bbc
And they (tories) know 'Squat' other than the size of their bank balance?. Bike ride with the security entourage in tow? Not very clever. The rest? Time will tell...
138
13/01/2021 18:55:04 1 0
bbc
Boring.
100
13/01/2021 13:48:06 4 3
bbc
Vaccine should go to
Pensioners
Front line nhs and social
Then anyone who can’t work from home

I can and happily give up my slot to a customs official , a teacher , a police officer etc.

If you can stay at home you should move down and allow key face to face staff the vaccine first