Tesco, Asda and Waitrose ban shoppers without face masks
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It follows similar moves by Morrisons and Sainsbury's, but those with medical reasons will be exempt.
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Good.
But still, how will they police who is exempt, and who isn't, but using it as an excuse to not wear a mask...
Anyone unable to wear a mask for under 30 minutes has a problem which ought to keep them at home. Just stop them mixing with anyone in an enclosed area like a store.
It's private property, so no entitlement to be allowed entry. People without masks can shop in other stores that allow people without mask and or online.
Easy: do not allow any exemptions. If you can't wear a mask, wear a face shield. If you can't even wear a face shield, then shop online or get someone else to shop for you.
Anyone unable to wear a mask should wear a face shield. It's been compulsory to wear both in some countries for months (e.g. in Asia, where they took precautions in the follow up to SARs seriously). In the UK there is no excuse for not wearing one or the other.
exempt people should stay at home
Ban them? I'd shoot them, but that's just me.
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You certainly weren’t exceptional I’m your maths group were you
been a year
The stores??
Certainly,means there's more room for everyone else...
Certainly,means there's more room for everyone else...
It's about time too! Too many have been entering supermarkets without masks for spurious reasons. It would seem many care more about their make-up than saving lives
Or care about the actual truth of the what is happening and protecting their freedoms
I hope they will all go one step further and pledge to sack any member of staff that does not wear a face mask.
Not seen any customers without masks yet. But plenty of staff.
Not seen any customers without masks yet. But plenty of staff.
I am asthmatic but still wear a mask when shopping, there are no excuses wear a mask or no entry. Simples
I'd rather they introduce a fine for people quoting fictional meerkats in day-to-day language.
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You are absolutely correct to wear your mask. And thank you for protecting others.
The British Lung Foundation recommends masks for all people with conditions that effect the breathing.
The British Lung Foundation recommends masks for all people with conditions that effect the breathing.
Excellent, please tell me your source of medical facts that all asthma sufferer's are the same and suffer the same, Dr....?
Spot on, I suffer from asthmatic conditions and can wear a mask for short periods, but wear a shield for longer durations if needed. How long do you need for shopping anyway. The law should ask for details and be able to checkwith doctors. No proof, hit them in the pocket and make it big.
yes, exactly words of wisdom. Good on you. My niece has been hospitalised on a nebuliser on a number of occasions. You know how it goes, she cannot see why anybody with such a condition would not want to wear some kind of protection for their own health let alone that of others. Sadly a lot of folks think they have 'asthma'. Its a killer.
Why?
Yes there are, it's just that your asthma isn't serious enough to warrant not wearing a mask.
no excuses and you can wear a scarf too
This should of been the case from day 1 just like in hospital
Should HAVE been
day one they should have tested people flying into the country n shut borders
Its just a shame that there is a lot more transmission of Covid in hospitals than in supermarkets isn't it.
depressing seeing the amount of people not giving a crap in my local Morrisons, not even all of the staff wear a mask!
This should have happened since the very first lock down.
This should have happened since the very first lock down.
same with lidi majority of staff dont wear a mask. They must have special permission from the Government not to wear one which is very strange as asda says we are all in it together except lidi it seems !
During the first lockdown, The Science said that masks didn't help, so it is no surprise that they were not mandated
Write to the head office. I did this when staff at my local Tesco were not wearing masks during the first lock-down. I got an apology and all the staff wore masks from that point onwards.
Agree my local Aldi didn’t. I complained and now they do when stocking shelves. The main employed staff still take them off when sat at the tills behind the Perspex. The younger staff who I assume help out at weekends always wear masks even on counter. Someone mentioned about them working 8 hours. And. How long do nurses work for and high street opticians for that matter They take things seriously
British don't like following rules
During 2020 my local Morrison’s, Glastonbury, Somerset allowed their staff not to wear masks for no other reason than they didn’t want to. Similarly many customers walking around the store without masks. I cannot comment on the current position as I haven’t been there for 5 months.
Wearing masks in supermarkets / malls etc became law, repeat law, in July 2020 in England.
Wearing masks in supermarkets / malls etc became law, repeat law, in July 2020 in England.
Staff do not have to wear masks , that was stated when masks were introduced.
Do we really need to see the How To Wear Your Mask video on each article?
clearly the message hasn't got through to everyone, so yes, looks like we do
Unfortunately the evidence suggests we do!!!
Based on the the number of people who still don't wear their masks properly the video probably needs showing on the hour every hour.
Tesco, Asda and Waitrose CEOs:
Hey there's a bandwagon, lets jump on it because we don't want to be left out and not because we should have thought of that before.
I like to be in the Cool crowd, saves me having to take responsibility by myself.
Hey there's a bandwagon, lets jump on it because we don't want to be left out and not because we should have thought of that before.
I like to be in the Cool crowd, saves me having to take responsibility by myself.
How on Earth are they supposed to refuse entry to anyone who won't wear a mask but isn't exempt when they are not allowed to ask for proof of exemption? All anyone who doesn't want to wear a mask has to do is claim to be exempt. Ridiculous.
They are allowed to challenge it if they are under suspicion - they can just refuse entry if they are sceptical. They do that in Spain. It is your responsibility to prove you are except, usually obtaining medical proof of it.
You can't refuse service for people who are exempt because of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1995/50/contents
You also cant expect someone to "prove" they are disabled, again because of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995.
Therefore, this is unpoliceable.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1995/50/contents
You also cant expect someone to "prove" they are disabled, again because of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995.
Therefore, this is unpoliceable.
They just refuse entry, full stop. It's private property. They don't have to left you in, even if you make a fuss. (I don't mean "you")
No-one has the right to see your medical history, particularly some rent-a-plod security guard.
if you can't wear a mask you should be out shopping
That’s the wrong way round. Non wearers should provide evidence of exemption.
Then they should be refused admission as they should be at home, isolating.
Then they should be refused admission as they should be at home, isolating.
Simple,don't let them in the shop. They'll soon learn or starve.
The only thing that's ridiculous is those making excuses for not wearing one.......
Law/ rules around mandatory mask wearing MUST change. Otherwise it is just a joke of a rule. It says mandatory to wear mask in shop. But then all you have to say is you are exempt. Apparently no one can even ask to see proof of your exemption.
Instead anyone can print at home their own exemption card. What a joke.
Instead anyone can print at home their own exemption card. What a joke.
Of course police are too busy to enforce rules that make a difference to transmission. They are too busy harassing people legitimately exercising. The police would have a bigger impact patrolling supermarkets than hanging around beauty spots
Or an even bigger impact, thinking about reducing unneccesary death regardless of cause, by stopping motorists, cyclists, and pedestrians from running red lights.
In Northern Ireland masks have been de rigueur like the Venice Carnival since our enlightened assembly made them mandatory in supermarkets. Is GB not following the science? I think we should be told.
It's one thing making them mandatory & another enforcing it. I have been in multiple supermarkets in NI and everyone of them has had non mask wearers & no one challenging them. In saying that M&S has been the best, but the rest fall far behind.
Similarly they are mandatory in the UK but as soon as the rule came out the retailers and police said they wouldn't enforce it thus killing it dead in the water from day one.
Chinese knew from the start wearing mask helps reduce spread
Why has it taken businesses to make this rule, why not the Government? It's remarkable that BJ will not impose a blanket restriction on mask wearing in ALL indoor places and outdoors, what harm is there? In fact I'm currently in Greece - we have to send a text to go out, curfew from 9pm - 5am, masks compulsory everywhere and retail has been closed since November 7th! When will this UK govt learn
Sorry but your misinformed here , it is the government that made the rule that shoppers must wear masks in shops etc... and always has been right from when masks were first recommended. The problem has not been the creation of the rule its been the enforcement because the retail companies have (perhaps understandably) not wanted to take the responsibility of enforcing it leading to confrontations
Business didn't make this rule, the Government did, ages ago. But now that some supermarkets are going to enforce the rules, it makes the news!
Perhaps that's because Greece has more recent experience of fascism than the UK?
Boris cant even shut borders and test at airports
I'm sorry, if you can't wear a mask please stay out of the shops....being medically exempt doesn't mean you can't spread the virus.
Exactly - If I see you wheel up to the shop in your electric buggy with oxygen tank leading to your nose then OK, but otherwise put the mask on for 30 mins whilst you shop!
Yes there are people who are exempt I am one of them. But what are we to do about food shopping. Try to get a delivery slot is a joke even for someone who is shielding. So please don’t go on about people who cannot wear a face mask
Back to the Shire you smelly little Hobbit
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You're not a hobbit , you're a troll. Are you saying people that can't wear a mask aren't allowed to eat?
Exactly. The issue here is that those who consider themselves medically exempt, aren't doing enough to come up with alternative solutions. Wear a perspex face shield if you can't handle the cloth over your face and it allows you to breathe more easily. Send someone else to do your shopping. Do it online. Stop moaning and come up with solutions that fit the whole point of stopping the spread.
Absolutely correct Bilbo. No mask, no entry. Medically exempt people can spread the virus as easily as everyone else. Ditto for people with excessive facial hair. If you can't wear a mask, get someone else to do your shopping for you. The more people comply with this and all the other rules, the faster this whole nightmare will be over.
Wearing a mask is a sign of respect towards other people. Not wearing a mask identifies you as a grade A T%#T
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Bigger problem those who need to hold someones hand when shopping. Those who cannot wear masks there are many may need more support. Example lady on bus who was unable to wear a mask, hidden disabilities verbally attacked by another passenger, panic attack induced, asthma attack requiring ambulance, admission to hospital. I was called as responsible adult to assist. Think before you accuse.
Yes even if they faint or suffer panic attack or breathing problems in the store so be it. We need to get cases down so that we can eat out to catch it again, oh and for the very underfunded NHS which is 1 of the few institutions doing their best and beyond even though policies like eat out to catch it started this wave earlier than necessary
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You have got to be kidding me, along with all the up voters. Some people HAVE to shop and find wearing a mask exacerbates existing medical conditions. How dare you try to bully people who have a genuine exemption. You and your upvoters should be ashamed of yourselves. I have an exemption, if you try to bully me you'll find the Police are far more interested in your behaviour.
And that goes for Tesco staff, two of which I saw this afternoon in store without masks, one shopping and one stacking shelves. We all comply so nobody can be without mask.
At the very least, anyone who isn't wearing a mask - for ANY reason - must be absolutely strict about keeping their distance, not talking to other people unnecessarily, being hygienic about coughs/sneezes.
They should also be trying to look for ways of reducing the risk to others - asking someone else to shop for them, shopping at quieter times. Not everyone could but some can.
They should also be trying to look for ways of reducing the risk to others - asking someone else to shop for them, shopping at quieter times. Not everyone could but some can.
Just been into morrisons first 2 staff on the doors not wearing mask, then the guy stocking fresh veg not wearing mask, so i asked the manager why he said they where exemept, and the staff who work on fresh proudce dont need to wear them
All this mask wearing is a con. It doesn't stop the spread and the figures have got worse since they started making us wear them, so please stop bleating like the sheeple you are and look at what is really happening in the wild.
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wearing a scarf is enough
Obviously masks and the lockdowns having no impact on mortality as shown by 22 published reports and not one published report saying they work.
People who care about others wear masks. Those that don't, don't. Apart from those who are medically exempt obviously.
You clearly have a problem with maths and understanding probability. Being blunt, you haven’t got a scooby. The mask reduces risk of transmission by around 0.5%. It’s so small as to be negligible. And that’s if it is worn correctly (anecdotally that’s probably 75% at best) and hands disinfected before and after touching it (down to 50% now). And washed daily (25%). Proper Einstein you are?
This should be the case in every shop, office and indoors environment from day 1. If anyone not willing to obey, let them live in their own world, simple as that.
I work in an office and there is no way I can wear a mask in the office for 8 hours a day
Absolute Garbage, - show me the death toll from schools, universities and anyone under 45 from covid - try and get the real data, ONS mortality data for a start & if you aren't smart enough to understand it ask someone why you need a magnifying glass to find the horizontal Covid death bar on the mortality graph for anyone under 45.
Cue outrage from the "i know my rights" brigade. Yes, everyone has rights, but also responsibility and thu must be mindful of the rights of others, especially with a more virulent strain of Covid.
Supermarket security will hopefully have a zero tolerance approach.
Supermarket security will hopefully have a zero tolerance approach.
With this pandemic nearing an end, one wonders how all of those up and down the country will be able to satisfy their need to order people around for a perceived greater good.
How else are they supposed to get their 'psychological fix'?
How else are they supposed to get their 'psychological fix'?
Science that paints a different picture.
https://thefatemperor.com/ep103-viral-impact-in-england-the-empirical-truth-part-1/
https://thefatemperor.com/ep103-viral-impact-in-england-the-empirical-truth-part-1/
Actually, in the UK, you don't have any rights if the Government decides to take them away from you (other than the right to a fair trial if you are charged with doing something wrong, I think that one still stands from the year 1215)
agreed - we have a right to shop without risking getting COVID because of some covidiot
Well they will not, "El Matador" (Whaaat)? My local Sainsburys is aware of my disability, gave me a sunflower lanyard, and allows me in without a mask. They are very understanding. I usually shop online and got myself on their "vulnerable" list, but occasionally I run out of something essential and they are always very helpful.
Exactly. They are the problem. More concerned about being 'advised/told' what to do than the sense behind it. 'Don't you dare tell me what to do..even though it makes perfect sense....I can walk into the Supermarket spitting if I like so F*** Y***'.
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Sadly the I know my rights brigade , tend to be to far up their own backsides to consider others.
If you have problems wearing a mask you should be self isolating. Simple.
No excuses.
No excuses.
I do, and I am. I've not left the house at all for a long time, even though my condition doesn't mean I'm more vulnerable to the disease. That being said, since lockdown it's now becoming increasingly more difficult to get online delivery slots, and living on my own with no other family nearby to help leaves me wondering what I will do if I run out of food before a delivery becomes available.
Are you saying people that can't wear a mask aren't allowed to eat?
Don't think you really understand (or care) why some people can't wear masks.
mask or scarf
Hunger is a pretty good excuse.There will always be those who just choose not to or exaggerate their medical reasons but this does not apply to everyone.
People with disabilities still have to eat; I'm sure you would rather we starved!
I support someone with special needs who lives alone. They cannot wear a face mask. Being supported to do a weekly shop is their weekly high point. What do they do?
Absolute cobblers .I'm finding it amusing the amount of people who really want to continue living their lives in this miserable media led crap . Get a blinking grip before it's to late ..
@"If you have problems wearing a mask you should be self isolating. Simple.
No excuses."
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If you are so scared of people legally going about their lawful business, how about YOU self isolate to protect yourself, instead of expecting everyone else to lock themselves up just so precious little you can go to the shops without being scared.
No excuses."
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If you are so scared of people legally going about their lawful business, how about YOU self isolate to protect yourself, instead of expecting everyone else to lock themselves up just so precious little you can go to the shops without being scared.
The way out of this pandemic is dependent of 2 things... How dense the population is and how dense the population is!
Ace????
Japan has twice our population and their capital city is 3 times as big as ours. Number of deaths 2000...
Which leads to the 3rd way out of the pandemic, the one some people hate like the plague: RESPONSIBILITY.
Which leads to the 3rd way out of the pandemic, the one some people hate like the plague: RESPONSIBILITY.
Well spoken! That has been my response for many months in 2020. So so true. I applaud you.
Made me laugh out loud but I couldn’t agree more.
Except that over the last 6 months twice as many people have tested positive in East Sheppey as in Hackney.
Does anyone think there is no herd immunity left from the 1st wave?
Does anyone think there is no herd immunity left from the 1st wave?
By the way this site looks, very dense indeed. Everyone following pseudoscience without using their brain. Asymptomatic spread of SARS-COv2 by passing someone by does not happen. End off
Quite right.
I’m amazed this post is still here. Mine pointing this out got censored!
I’m amazed this post is still here. Mine pointing this out got censored!
Wearing a mask is a no brainer and everyone should do it but blaming the general public for us having an awful death rate isn't 100% fair. We were out of this pandemic after the 1st lockdown. The gvmnt then opened the borders to everyone and their dog with very very lax rules on having to self isolate (why did we even need air corridors), this then allowed the virus to come back with vengeance.
I live in a 5.6 million city and a country of 24.5 million population.
Total Covid deaths to date is 906.
I have ben wearing a N95 mask everytime I leave home since the beginning of April 2020 . I bought several in march through ebay from Hong Kong.
Our government has made wearing mask compulsory a week ago.
It would never occur to me to rely on a government as far a my health is concerned.
Total Covid deaths to date is 906.
I have ben wearing a N95 mask everytime I leave home since the beginning of April 2020 . I bought several in march through ebay from Hong Kong.
Our government has made wearing mask compulsory a week ago.
It would never occur to me to rely on a government as far a my health is concerned.
Population density does not necessarily mean any more social contacts.
The virus can only jump 2m of its own accord. It doesn't care whether you walked 50m or drove 20miles to get to that 2m vicinity.
No country has a population density that forces people within 2m of each other.
The virus can only jump 2m of its own accord. It doesn't care whether you walked 50m or drove 20miles to get to that 2m vicinity.
No country has a population density that forces people within 2m of each other.
Johnson and co. are a disgrace. 90k dead, could have been a third of that with leadership. Scum.
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Well I've seen plenty of evidence that the Average person is pretty stupid and half of the rest are even more stupid than that.
Yes funny how that topic has been brushed under the carpet . Not only for this but also for environmental issues. But then thats when nature takes over and hence the pandemics which will become more sophisticated as we get more crowded and medieval animal practices, particularly in china , are allowed to continue.
The only trouble is that the general population is, in general, very dense. Ask anyone who works closely with them (NHS in my case)
You and the other 576 obviously think that a debate is won just by posting derogatory remarks about 'the population' (just the ones that disagree with you or all of them you didn't specify). A little light on credibility methinks.
Congratulations, you are the 1,000,000th person to post this comment!
There's no way out of this have you not realised that yet, or are you still grasping at that far fetched hope of returning to normality, once you wake up and start fighting this then we can hope for a future, untill then just keep wearing your masks and obeying your masters, and see where it gets you
Way out is summer and herd immunity, always was, always will be.
Remember when Van Tam and Whitty told you make were not up to much, you know that still stands
Do we really need to see the How To Wear Your Mask video on each article?
People wearing their homemade or amazon lanyards and walking round with impunity. Often have their fag outside the shop before going in. We all see this daily
I saw one idiot at a bus stop smoking with a 'I can't wear a mask' sorry if you can fill your lungs with smoke you can wear a mask; its simple
and yet after 10 months they aren't all dead, hmm, so is this the new black-death or not? Where are all the bodies if it is? The excess deaths are based on a low 5 year average after 5 mild flu seasons (Not that the NHS didn't struggle in each) & 72,000 of those 80,000 excess deaths occurred 10 months ago in the 1st lock-down. So not the new black death is it?
Great, trouble is half the folks who use my local Waitrose do not wear their masks correctly, rendering almost useless.
Exactly, they are only wearing masks to signal their virtue. I would rather they were just honest and didn't wear one.
challenge them in the shop rather than commenting here, it's time to speak out for your own protection
Exactly, they keep touching, adjusting and reusing them. Too many masks are too loose, protect nobody!
Even if they did, most of the masks are useless, except as a virtue signal or a comfort blanket for those terrified by HMG propaganda.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-face-masks-increase-risk-infection-doctor-jenny-harries-a9396811.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20200509053953/https:/www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-masks-dont-work-revealing-review/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-face-masks-increase-risk-infection-doctor-jenny-harries-a9396811.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20200509053953/https:/www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-masks-dont-work-revealing-review/
A year ago a person who wore a mask in the supermarket would get strange looks.
Now if you don't wear one you get strange looks!
A horrible year. Let's hope it's the last for the covid 19 virus.
Now if you don't wear one you get strange looks!
A horrible year. Let's hope it's the last for the covid 19 virus.
Good old tesco
The Army needs to get involved if necessary, along with armed Police. If we need to kill wrongdoers to save the NHS, then so be it.
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You want to murder people to save a medical service? Clearly you need help.
Why has it taken businesses to make this rule, why not the Government? It's remarkable that BJ will not impose a blanket restriction on mask wearing in ALL indoor places and outdoors, what harm is there? In fact I'm currently in Greece - we have to send a text to go out, curfew from 9pm - 5am, masks compulsory everywhere and retail has been closed since November 7th! When will this UK govt learn
The government did make the rule, months ago that it is illegal to enter an indoor public space such as a shop without a mask unless you are medically exempt. The police and shops have numerous times said they will not enforce this law. The reason supermarkets are doing it now is because Morrisons eventually listened to people complaining and the others now dont want to look bad.
No they do, but they don’t believe in forcing people into such ways. Boris has said in the past we don’t want to do it but needs must.
because even Boris would be embarrassed at claiming masks are effective and so becoming an even bigger more ridiculous dictator.
Nobody should be exempt. If you can't/won't wear a mask then wear a face shield. Too many folk claiming exemption.
The face shields r no use
Any airborne virus floats about, it doesn’t go in straight lines
The virus goes under the shield
Apart from wearing a diving helmut or welding mask, we’re snookered
Any airborne virus floats about, it doesn’t go in straight lines
The virus goes under the shield
Apart from wearing a diving helmut or welding mask, we’re snookered
Face shields are only effective when coupled with a mask. If used without a mask all they do is channel breath, potentially laden with coronavirus, downwards towards produce and stock.
"Too many folk claiming exemption."
Totally agree. Saw a couple in my local supermarket who had no masks but homemade exemption badges. They looked perfectly healthy and if they had a rare psychological illness that made them mask-phobic I find it remarkable that two people with this rare condition should meet and form a relationship.
The staff were too scared to challenge.
Totally agree. Saw a couple in my local supermarket who had no masks but homemade exemption badges. They looked perfectly healthy and if they had a rare psychological illness that made them mask-phobic I find it remarkable that two people with this rare condition should meet and form a relationship.
The staff were too scared to challenge.
86 year old mother struggles with a mask as she has emphysema. Bought a face shield 99p from B&M. Problem solved.
british cant follow rules like the chinese
encourages the morons who seem to think a face shield does the same as a mask - mask protects others, face shield protects you from direct attack, mandatory masks is to protect others
Face shields are completely pointless and offer no protection whatsoever.
I am afraid you display bigoted attitudes. Most disabled people would wear a face covering IF THEY COULD. It's not a question of won't but cannot.
I know doctors do not have time, but pharmacists know who in the community are on medications for conditions that exempt mask use - why can’t they give out more official exemption certificates?
I work in a convenience store, not a small one but not a big one & the sheer amount of people who refuse & then abuse or just laugh when asked is incredibly sad.
We have no power or even will power to challenge people anymore.
We have no power or even will power to challenge people anymore.
100% right but the individuals claiming exemption most of the time arent sweet old ladies there yobs looking for attention and happy to “kick off” to prove a point.poor supermarket staff having to enforce rules that aren’t black or white.
you have no idea how day-to-day life is unaffected by my non-physical condition, yet covering my face with mask or visor will cause it to occur. Don't be so inanely blinkered as to think there is no reason I can't, nor to think that there is some miraculous support network that can feed my family beyond my shopping in person.
Covid Cult hysteria,
Rubbish, follow the science not the hysteria,
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-face-masks-increase-risk-infection-doctor-jenny-harries-a9396811.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20200509053953/https:/www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-masks-dont-work-revealing-review/
Rubbish, follow the science not the hysteria,
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-face-masks-increase-risk-infection-doctor-jenny-harries-a9396811.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20200509053953/https:/www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-masks-dont-work-revealing-review/
All that will happen is that the wingnuts will say they're exempt - there is no evidence required.
Be good to see the staff wearing them, my local Waitrose has never had the till staff wearing them
Be good to see the staff wearing them, my local Waitrose has never had the till staff wearing them
Till staff will be behind a screen so they are not required to wear a mask, however if they leave the till then they do need to wear a mask or visor.
most local shops no shop keeper wears a mask..its not possible to work with it on. some wear visors though
Let the punishment fit the crime. Tag them for a two week quarantine at home. If they're tag allergic lock 'em in jail. isolated from other prisoners of course.
There should be no exceptions. If you're not well enough to wear a mask, the risk is currently too great for you to be indoors near to other members of the public.
Define "well enough" so we understand how bigoted you are.
if the risk of catching this disease really was that bad then we'd all be dead by now. masks don't achieve anything except virtue signalling for the compliant masses.
Are you saying people that can't wear a mask aren't allowed to eat?
I suppose you think disabled people should be locked up?
Are you a doctor? Thought not. You have no idea why someone can't wear a mask.
What about someone with post-trauamtic stress disorder that was asphyxiated by an abuser who covered their face?
So many medical experts with a Facebook degree and no understanding of hidden disabilities
I should think many of those choosing not to wear masks have mental health problems making it difficult to comply
And then there are the sociopaths, psychopaths and narcissists - people with personality disorders!
And then there are the sociopaths, psychopaths and narcissists - people with personality disorders!
Totally agree. The same goes for people who say they are exempt then go to work.
I assume by not well enough you mean a physical disability. I have mental health issues and am a key worker. Is the risk too great for me despite the fact I am fit and healthy?
and I'm sure your grand pappy fought hard for you to be able to make those kind of decisions for free people. Sadly though, he lost.
Thankfully I never see anyone stupid enough to not wear a mask in supermarkets in Devon.
The complete ignorance of social distancing is very apparent though. It is a poor state of affairs that the education system has not provided some people with a basic understanding of what 2m is
The complete ignorance of social distancing is very apparent though. It is a poor state of affairs that the education system has not provided some people with a basic understanding of what 2m is
You're lucky. Grockles in Dawlish are always in Sainsbury's without masks as they think they are exempt because 'we don't live here'. I've heard it myself loads of times.
2 metre distance is based on how far a sneeze can travel. It's meaningless much like "5 a day", it has no basis in reality.
thats the whole point of a mask though if you can't keep 2 m away
Always worth reminding people it's about the same length as a coffin.
Yes, all very good sheeple in Devon. When they tell you to walk on your hands, will you do this also???
had the education system worked then no one would be hysterical about a peculiar flu that is less lethal than flu to anyone not very old and very ill.
In Britain, no one has a right to ask for proof of exemption. This needs to change.
They are all suspicious.....in Northern Korea.
I tried to, the doctors don't do that in the UK, because they haven't been told to do it
Spain also jail politicians for 30 years for holding a referendum, hmm, come to think of it I can see many a UK politician wanting to be more like Spain. Covid is not the new black death and the evidence is out there to prove it if you cared to look and ignore HMG scare tactics - BBC why don't you do some investigative journalism on that topic?
Do we really need to see the How To Wear Your Mask video on each article?
Do we really need to see the How To Wear Your Mask video on each article?
About time. Why are some people so thick and self cantered?
Please keep the discussion on topic, no need to talk about horse stuff.
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How typically pithy of someone to complain about something light hearted on the HYS.
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Is self-cantering a horse without a rider? If I’m wrong just say neighhhh.??
Because they can spell.
I don't know, why are you? It is easy enough to look up facts that disprove much of what HMG uses to terrify the Covid Cultists & justify curfews, the suspension of rights and laws & to kill more over time with lock-down & choking the NHS so it is virtually a Covid only service.
There is if the premises is providing a service to the public. Then the Equality Act applies which means the store and staff would be acting illegally if they denied access to someone not wearing a mask who had a disability.
Before anybody asks, no we aren't obliged to provide any evidence to people asking that we are exempt. Even the police cannot demand proof of exemption
Before anybody asks, no we aren't obliged to provide any evidence to people asking that we are exempt. Even the police cannot demand proof of exemption
The difference is that staff have to wear a mask for eight hours not 30 minutes.
I've always got the feeling LIDL don't care about their staff or their customers when it comes to COVID-19. Just doing what they have to do to stay open!
the tiny profit margins won't stretch to masks
The Government are a bunch of useless liars, they are terrifying you all because you are ignorant and either cannot or will not look at the evidence. Governments need to frighten you so no one asks how come saving the NHS cost all those elderly lives 10 months ago - you do know that 72,000 of the 80,00 excess the BBC goes on about happened 10 months ago in 1st lock-down, don't you?
All that will happen is that the wingnuts will say they're exempt - there is no evidence required.
Be good to see the staff wearing them, my local Waitrose has never had the till staff wearing them
Be good to see the staff wearing them, my local Waitrose has never had the till staff wearing them
Most people won't prove it as it's against the Disabilities Discrimination Act and likely to be sued if you refuse entry to someone based on their medical background. Although i am happy to tell shop owners/security guards my exemption, however, i always looked down and away from people. I can stay at home as my partner can do any shopping. But unlike others, some are alone and will have to go in.
For everyone that is shouting "no mask, no service"
You can't refuse service for people who are exempt because of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1995/50/contents
You also cant expect someone to "prove" they are disabled, again because of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995.
Therefore, this is unpoliceable.
You can't refuse service for people who are exempt because of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1995/50/contents
You also cant expect someone to "prove" they are disabled, again because of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995.
Therefore, this is unpoliceable.
A retail store can refuse service to anyone it chooses and does not need to give a reason. "Customers" have no right to enter any store unless the store allows it. Store security can and will prevent access - this is not a police matter unless there is a "disturbance".
You cannot deny a service for someone under the act no but you can deny anyone access to a shop if another way of obtaining the service is available. Cant wear a mask or faceshield, shop online.
Time to tweak the law then so selfish mask dodgers can't misuse such legislation.
Don't you just love how we make up these rules, how is it discrimination to ask someone politely if they have a Dr's note to prove they have a disability.
What next men going into womens toilets saying they have had a sex change and don't have to prove it because it's discrimination.
Nation of snowflakes.
What next men going into womens toilets saying they have had a sex change and don't have to prove it because it's discrimination.
Nation of snowflakes.
Do they really make that much of a difference, as we seem to have more cases than when the pandemic started when masks were not mandatory, no doubt our self appointed experts will have their opinions
Thats because in lockdown 1 the majority followed the rules and only a very small number broke them, as time goes on and people see others getting away with doing what they like a larger group now dont follow the rules and meet friends, have parties etc so the lockdown is less effective.
Mask wearing doesnt help when you then do cheek to cheek selfies with 6 friends at a party
Mask wearing doesnt help when you then do cheek to cheek selfies with 6 friends at a party
Everyone in our local supermarkets already wear masks. The mask is worn to protect others not necessarily yourself, so everyone should wear a mask or face shield. If not don't go in, simple.
Anyway, if someone can't wear either a mask or face shields due to medical conditions why are they not staying at home????
Anyway, if someone can't wear either a mask or face shields due to medical conditions why are they not staying at home????
Are you saying people that can't wear a mask or face shield aren't allowed to eat?
Because their condition doesn't require them to stay at home, obviously.
it's not an "either or", people should wear both an FFP2 mask and a face shield for maximum protection. If they don't want to do that, tough, they can stay at home - plenty of choices!
yeah they should get stuff delivered
They might need some food sometimes, maybe?
@"Anyway, if someone can't wear either a mask or face shields due to medical conditions why are they not staying at home????"
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If you're so concerned about people going about their lawful business, perhaps YOU should be the one who stays at home
I'm getting sick of little hitlers demanding other people stay at home just so they can go out shopping and enjoy what they are denying others.
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If you're so concerned about people going about their lawful business, perhaps YOU should be the one who stays at home
I'm getting sick of little hitlers demanding other people stay at home just so they can go out shopping and enjoy what they are denying others.
All that will happen is that when challenged those not wearing a mask will tell a pack of lies about a medical exemption and the security staff will say "oh OK then on you go".
If they look obviously young and fit presume they are lying and boot them out!
If they look obviously young and fit presume they are lying and boot them out!
Glad you don't have a condition which prevents you wearing a mask.
Then you are another Covid Cultist idiot, follow the science not the hysteria,
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-face-masks-increase-risk-infection-doctor-jenny-harries-a9396811.html
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The Army needs to get involved if necessary, along with armed Police. If we need to kill wrongdoers to save the NHS, then so be it.
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Desperate times call for desperate measures.
These so-call 'exempt', if they contract Coronavirus and end up in hospital, then I'm pretty sure they won't object to wearing a mask then.
It's OK to have security at the doors to enforce however a lot of people then remove them once they're past the fruit & veg aisles near the doors... same thing happens in shopping centres. Walk through entrance and then quickly discarded. no one else then enforces.
Rubbish. "Proper" asthmatics can wear masks as masks do not restrict breathing. Any perception of breathing difficulties is purely psychological. And if you have such psychological problems, wear a face shield or shop online. Time to stop making excuses and pandering to mask snowflakes.
Excuse me, what's a "proper" asthmatic as I haven't seen that as an official medical term?
Two questions:
How did you become the Asthmatic Police?
Does it pay well?
How did you become the Asthmatic Police?
Does it pay well?
How do asthmatic health care staff so easily wear their masks for much longer periods than someone doing some shopping, There are also clear face shields available. So no excuse for any one not to be wearing something.
I am a Doc and an asthmatic. My wife is a Nurse and also suffered in the past with asthma. We both wear masks to shops and pretty much anywhere when we are out and about, without experiencing any distress whatsoever.
A couple of minutes wouldn't hurt them.
Wrong. Not all proper asthmatics are unable to wear a mask. My dad is asthmatic and has COPD, so falls into the exempt category. However, he can still wear a mask, but removes it if it causes him an issue.
Being in an exempt category does not mean you should not wear a mask, it means you should wear a mask unless it causes you difficulties.
Being in an exempt category does not mean you should not wear a mask, it means you should wear a mask unless it causes you difficulties.
Crock of pigs poo, My sister is a nurse has asthma and manages to wear one at work..........
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Rubbish. I have had asthma all my life (I am nearly 60); I have been hospitalised on several occasions due to asthma attacks, and have to take drugs every day (for life), as well as use two inhalers. I think that qualifies me as a "proper asthmatic". I also wear a mask - encouraged by my GP. It/s not easy, but it's a lot easier than coping with COVID would be, as well as respectful to others.
He must be still alive, so clearly he can wear a mask. Bit like all the people that say they cant drink milk, but when they do drink milk nothing happens.
Absolutely not true. Even severe asthmatics can (and do) wear masks with no problems. As someone else has said, it's psychological!!
I've never been able to wear a mask for a number of reasons, but I've spent months getting accustomed to wearing one.
There are VERY few conditions that create a proper medical need not to wear a mask - VERY few.
I've never been able to wear a mask for a number of reasons, but I've spent months getting accustomed to wearing one.
There are VERY few conditions that create a proper medical need not to wear a mask - VERY few.
But you could wear a face shield
In asthmatic patients the airways collapse on exhaling not inhaling meaning that masks would not impede respiration. ie they have trouble breathing out old air rather than breathing in new air. I think everyone should wear a mask as its only for a few moments and to be fair , those patients are more at risk from Covid.
My wife is asthmatic and SHE wears a mask. There is no excuse for not wearing a face shield!!
I've had chronic asthma since I was 18 months old. I'm now 50. I have no problem wearing a face mask and my GP certainly hasn't suggested that I shouldn't wear one. Stop spouting nonsense.
please supply peer reviewed evidence of this "Fact" oh you cant.
I've just spoken to my GP. They said they were very busy but I demanded that they answer my question. "Can a proper asthmatic wear a mask?"
The answer is yes though, so long as you have two ears, otherwise it's likely to fall off.
The answer is yes though, so long as you have two ears, otherwise it's likely to fall off.
No sorry do not. We are very busy at the moment as a result of rising need. Please refer to the .gov.uk website
One would question the wisdom of going out when there is a virus knocking around which affects the lungs then if you are that bad...
If you are a proper idiot then you should keep you views to yourself.
I'm a doctor and I can't think of a single reason that an asthmatic shouldn't wear a mask, because they do nothing to your physiology or your gas intake!
I am asthmatic and it's not easy but when I need to in a indoor public place then I put up with it and get in and out as fast as I possibly can safely. I wear it to protect myself.
Or you could ask someone who actually understands asthma. If people are controlling their condition correctly with the inhalers they are prescribed, they can breathe just as well as non asthmatics.
I have been diagnosed with asthma and take medication daily. I would say that makes me a proper asthmatic. And I would say your comment makes you a proper idiot. Don’t be selfish people. Wear a mask! I do.
If you are a "Proper asthmatic" then you are in one of the highest risk categories for respiratory infections - so going shopping without a mask is extremely unwise.
In the unlikely event that a mask does restrict your breathing (and if you're that ill you should really be self isolating) then try a different type of mask, or at the very least, a face shield.
In the unlikely event that a mask does restrict your breathing (and if you're that ill you should really be self isolating) then try a different type of mask, or at the very least, a face shield.
{shakes head}{rolls eyes}
Good. 9 months late but still good.
I'm really struggling with how many idiots still believe in this scam. Maybe they all believe in the media and government (fools), or maybe they aren't smart enough to do their own research, or just lazy drones who like to be told what to do?
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Should have been done last March
Too late now the virus is widespread. s with all ignorant irresponsible people they don't just do damage to themselves.
And still, govern/law enforcement measure are pathetic.
We are dealing with a killer virus yet many people still don't that fact.
And of course we still have Libertarian Tory MPs who feel it's people's right to do exactly what they want.
Too late now the virus is widespread. s with all ignorant irresponsible people they don't just do damage to themselves.
And still, govern/law enforcement measure are pathetic.
We are dealing with a killer virus yet many people still don't that fact.
And of course we still have Libertarian Tory MPs who feel it's people's right to do exactly what they want.
Protect the staff, protect the customers, if there is a legit medical reason for non compliance, there is a certificate.
For supermarkets to say they cant prevent access is a get out, employ security it keeps staff separate from the immedite issue, idiots once they are in is another thing you can do without, but erradicate the no mask thing, and its a step in the right direction.
For supermarkets to say they cant prevent access is a get out, employ security it keeps staff separate from the immedite issue, idiots once they are in is another thing you can do without, but erradicate the no mask thing, and its a step in the right direction.
"Protect the staff" ?? Went to Tesco,15 tills open,10 cashiers NOT wearing masks.
This is precisely the problem, if you don’t have the discussion how are we to know if horses are required to wear masks in supermarkets?
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All for this, but what’s not clear is how is the security guard / door greeter going to assess who is legitimately medically exempt? Brace for arguments!
If someone can't wear a mask for medical reasons, why can't they wear a face shield instead?
if they can make it to, and walk around, the store
wear a mask
wear a mask
Or use home delivery
They should really wear both: mask for protecting others, faceshield to protect themselves... and that goes for everyone!
Face shields are more useless than masks. This argument is more about 'well I have to wear one so everone else should too'. Sorry, but there are times when exemptions are valid.
I suspect a severely autistic person would find both options intolerable.
Stores have have always had legal right to prevent entry to anyone they choose. However, who is going to enforce this mask wearing? Retail workers are not security and the Police have no jurisdiction in any store (and have better things to do).
Police have powers under the public order act. Although shops are private , people have right of access to shop. No difference from a pub. You can be nicked from I pub
Finally it makes it safer for those not lucky enough to get delivery slots.
All the anti vaccine/mask believers can I ask if you do catch COVID will you also be anti treatment??
All the anti vaccine/mask believers can I ask if you do catch COVID will you also be anti treatment??
Given that the PCR test is bogus and that ventilators kill people - yes, with that treatment rationale, I absolutely would refuse any treatment for flu as the treatment would likely kill me. Sources:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4896812/
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/03/covid-death-rates-dropped-doctors-rejected-ventilators/amp/.
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I’m certainly not anti vaccine (in fact the very opposite), not anti mask (but prefer not to wear one), and would be fully prepared to forgo Covid treatment in favour of a more vulnerable person.
It was a bad flu, just treated it exactly as you do flu, and though I was in bed a bit longer and the cough lasted a bit longer, I didn't need treatment, in fact given I'm 70 and anyone under 45 more often than not doesn't even know they had it, you are hysterical over a peculiar flu. Lock-down will kill more, already accounted for 15,000 at least.
Can the supermarkets not make it part of their terms and conditions for entering the premises and shopping that face coverings/masks must be worn? Medically exempt without a Hospital/Doctors letter. How can it work if you just say the words "medically exempt" no proof required. Maybe Pandemic planning should include stuff like this in future?
It can't work, and is not legally enforceable.
You can't refuse service for people who are exempt because of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1995/50/contents
You also cant expect someone to "prove" they are disabled, again because of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995.
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You can't refuse service for people who are exempt because of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1995/50/contents
You also cant expect someone to "prove" they are disabled, again because of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995.
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Indeed - they should be giving out vaccine certificates with ID details and date, type, location of vaccine - pretty basic stuff that will be needed as we go forwards.
I'm sure Doctors and hospitals have so much time on their hands,that getting an appointment to see a GP or Surgeon and them to write a letter stating that my Asbestosis makes it hazardous for me to wear mask will be no problem at all !
In the beginning I asked an assistant in a Tescos petrol station about the number of people going in and out without a mask. She said they get nasty and aggressive if they said anything. Would love to see those "brave" individuals nicked for their threatening behaviour
can clearly see British were not ready for a pandemic. Supermarkets are super spreaders
w maybe we should base policy on evidence and there is zero evidence that face masks work. If they did we would not be where we are now because most people DO wear them.
Sadly you can buy the "Hidden Disability" lanyards on ebay for £2... You should see them all walking round the shops displaying with pride, bragging they are exempt. Naffs me off so much.
Yes, cannot wait for Covid 2025 restrictions.
Whose going to check that medical verification is genuine?
I'm sorry, if you can't wear a mask please stay out of the shops....being medically exempt doesn't mean you can't spread the virus.
No, that is not always possible with some conditions. You may be fortunate enough to not have a condition, but that does not give you the right to insist that those that do should wear a mask or keep out of the shop.
All that will happen is that the wingnuts will say they're exempt - there is no evidence required.
Be good to see the staff wearing them, my local Waitrose has never had the till staff wearing them
Be good to see the staff wearing them, my local Waitrose has never had the till staff wearing them
The screen isn't 2m wide and certainly at both edges of it I am way closer than 2m. The virus can jump these tiny screens, I'm surprised Waitrose can permit non-mask-wearing by its till staff under health and safety at work.
So after over 80,000 people have died they finally decide to do this. Genius
The number of people who say this should have happened months ago and when you ask them if they thought masks were such a great idea, have they been wearing one since this all started and the response is no because I wasn't told to! I estimate, based on behaviour over the last 10 months, at least 25% of the population is scarily thick, ignorant and selfish.
Did anyone die of flu this year? Why aren't those people being excluded from COVID figures?
yeah and not test at borders
No, 80,000 excess deaths, and not all of them from covid, 72,000 of them were 10 months ago in a short span including the 1st lock-down, of those 72,000 , 15,000 were not from covid, they were the lock-down victims of the NHS shutting down, as for 80,000 excess , that is compared to 5 year avg ONS says the last 5 years have been v low mortality so a low av. It is not the new black-death.
Thankfully I never see anyone stupid enough to not wear a mask in supermarkets in Devon.
The complete ignorance of social distancing is very apparent though. It is a poor state of affairs that the education system has not provided some people with a basic understanding of what 2m is
The complete ignorance of social distancing is very apparent though. It is a poor state of affairs that the education system has not provided some people with a basic understanding of what 2m is
The 'no group shopping' rule is rather annoying. We're trying to limit our visits to the supermarket per week and so we need multiple people to carry the shopping.
And no, don't suggest online delivery as an alternative, half of the time they either replace what we put on the list with some random trash or don't replace it at all.
And no, don't suggest online delivery as an alternative, half of the time they either replace what we put on the list with some random trash or don't replace it at all.
One inside with the shopping, the others wait outside
Could you not have your group wait outside and use a trolley?
Ever thought of using the trolleys provided?
Or fill up one trolley, pay for it, and then go back in again?
Just a suggestion one person could do the shopping the others could wait outside and take the bags out of the trolley when the person in the shop exits .
So one person goes in and uses a trolley to take food outside. Then when outside the others can help carrying.
You forgot to mention that 'our current available Tesco Delivery Slots' are 21:00-22:00 and 22:00-23:00 on 01/02/2021
I really feel for the hard of thinking. Life must be such a struggle.
If you were shopping yourself, you'd have to replace something that wasn't on the shelf - most allow you to specify alternatives anyway - and you don't have to accept a replacement. Nothing is so vital that you can't plan around this.
And if you need people to carry the shopping, do as other say - get the others to wait outside.
I know a family of 9 that manages to do just this once a week.
And if you need people to carry the shopping, do as other say - get the others to wait outside.
I know a family of 9 that manages to do just this once a week.
So after over 80,000 people have died they finally decide to do this. Genius
You are an idiot, the Google mobility data shows the UK first lock down was 67% obeyed, higher than Wuhan, lock-downs do not work, neither do masks though lock downs do destroy economies and will kill more, the UN predicts 150 M to die from the economic disaster, only 1.5 M had died of covid after 10 months.
Can the supermarkets not make it part of their terms and conditions for entering the premises and shopping that face coverings/masks must be worn? Medically exempt without a Hospital/Doctors letter. How can it work if you just say the words "medically exempt" no proof required. Maybe Pandemic planning should include stuff like this in future?
It can't work, and is not legally enforceable.
You can't refuse service for people who are exempt because of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1995/50/contents
You also cant expect someone to "prove" they are disabled, again because of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995.
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You can't refuse service for people who are exempt because of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1995/50/contents
You also cant expect someone to "prove" they are disabled, again because of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995.
Therefore, this is unpoliceable. Removed
Any store can refuse you entry, nothing to do with the Act....
Supermarkets could simply put up a notice saying all customers are equal regardless of disability, race or sexual orientation and so ALL customers will wear masks to give protection to ALL customers.
No, but I can just not let in anyone not wearing a mask. I don't have to give a reason. Private property
If they are that unwell or vulnerable they will have no problem presenting proof. As the dad of grown up kids with health problems I’m used to showing letters for medication at airport security - takes seconds and not an issue.
Only some “I know my rights” person will challenge it.
Terms of business - no mask, no entry!
Only some “I know my rights” person will challenge it.
Terms of business - no mask, no entry!
If someone can't wear a mask for medical reasons, why can't they wear a face shield instead?
I can function completely well until I wear a mask or visor. It is nowhere near as simple as you suggest
Why? They are at best useless at worst spread the virus
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-face-masks-increase-risk-infection-doctor-jenny-harries-a9396811.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20200509053953/https:/www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-masks-dont-work-revealing-review/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-face-masks-increase-risk-infection-doctor-jenny-harries-a9396811.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20200509053953/https:/www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-masks-dont-work-revealing-review/
If someone can't wear a mask for medical reasons, why can't they wear a face shield instead?
And about time too. Anyone claiming a "medical condition" prevents mask wearing should be ordering stuff online or asking a friend or relative to shop for them. No-one should be exempt and I believe that all retail outlets should take the same stand.
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Why? Because you say so? Try looking at the mortality data for a start, this isn't the new black-death, in fact for the vast majority of the population it isn't even the new flu, they don't know they've got it or had it!
Can the supermarkets not make it part of their terms and conditions for entering the premises and shopping that face coverings/masks must be worn? Medically exempt without a Hospital/Doctors letter. How can it work if you just say the words "medically exempt" no proof required. Maybe Pandemic planning should include stuff like this in future?
i'm afraid you don't understand what the "vaccination" does. There will be no vaccine 'passport' because the vaccine doesn't stop you getting it nor passing it on. So having the jab will have no impact on transmission.
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they are lying to you when they say the vaccine is the way out. it is not. the way out is mass non-compliance. Removed
You don't get a free pass to behave "normally" once you get vaccinated. The same rules still apply whether you have had a COVID jab or not.
Absolute rubbish, the vaccine doesn't stop you getting it or transmitting it according to latest news, you are completely mad if you believe half the stuff HMG is coming out with.
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/it-doesnt-stop-getting-doesnt-19417561
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/it-doesnt-stop-getting-doesnt-19417561
utter rubbish as i have been sainsburys at lunch time around 1 in 10 walking around and no-one was approached and no different in asda in both Crewe and Alsager.
it is one thing putting this out to the public and another when they do not enforce it.
it is one thing putting this out to the public and another when they do not enforce it.
I don't like wearing masks and look forward to the day when we don't need them but that will only come if we adhere to the guidelines.
There is no excuse to abuse the shop workers, this is not their fault and there should be zero tolerance for those customers who are abusive.
There is no excuse to abuse the shop workers, this is not their fault and there should be zero tolerance for those customers who are abusive.
Should be like the pub mantra, "Barred from one, barred from all".
hope they have employed bouncers
We will have to wear masks forever it's not going to go away just like any other virus
I seriously recommend a snood. Warm round the neck as well, during the winter months. You can get them at a reasonable price (silly money for designer ones). Up and down, up and down. No messing with straps for ears. Been wearing mine since last April. Dead easy to wash and dry.
the shop workers should go on a full scale strike over the treatment they get, from both managers and the selfish you-know-whats of the general public.
Who knows, maybe they'll get paid a living wage afterwards, too?
Who knows, maybe they'll get paid a living wage afterwards, too?
No it won't masks are at best useless at worst spreaders, follow the science not the hysteria,
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-face-masks-increase-risk-infection-doctor-jenny-harries-a9396811.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20200509053953/https:/www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-masks-dont-work-revealing-review/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-face-masks-increase-risk-infection-doctor-jenny-harries-a9396811.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20200509053953/https:/www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-masks-dont-work-revealing-review/
Oh aren't you a nice person eh.
Why should I have to rely on someone else to do my shopping because I can't wear a mask or visor. People with autism often can't have anything on their face because it will trigger a meltdown and that includes a visor as well.
Also, what about those who cannot shop online and do not have someone to go out for them.
Why should I have to rely on someone else to do my shopping because I can't wear a mask or visor. People with autism often can't have anything on their face because it will trigger a meltdown and that includes a visor as well.
Also, what about those who cannot shop online and do not have someone to go out for them.
mask wearers are worse as they do not social distance or wear them properly and anyway it has not reduced the infection rate all beloney
Can you cite your reference to prove your point?
You might also want to buy a dictionary
You might also want to buy a dictionary
How do you know that it hasn't reduced the infection rate?
Without masks, the rate would be massively higher - and ALL the scientific evidence supports that.
No mask is 100% effective, and social distancing is still important - but a bit less so. People not wearing masks or not wearing them properly are putting lives in danger.
Without masks, the rate would be massively higher - and ALL the scientific evidence supports that.
No mask is 100% effective, and social distancing is still important - but a bit less so. People not wearing masks or not wearing them properly are putting lives in danger.
The 'no group shopping' rule is rather annoying. We're trying to limit our visits to the supermarket per week and so we need multiple people to carry the shopping.
And no, don't suggest online delivery as an alternative, half of the time they either replace what we put on the list with some random trash or don't replace it at all.
And no, don't suggest online delivery as an alternative, half of the time they either replace what we put on the list with some random trash or don't replace it at all.
Wasn't that long ago we were told masks were a waste of time but know its law.. Its ok everyone criticising staff for not confronting people without masks but would you want your son or daughter enforcing laws to abusive idiots for minimum wage?
Can't enforce or refuse service for people who are exempt because of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1995/50/contents
You also cant expect someone to "prove" they are disabled, again because of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995.
Therefore, this is unpoliceable.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1995/50/contents
You also cant expect someone to "prove" they are disabled, again because of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995.
Therefore, this is unpoliceable.
The Govt should make it mandatory to wear masks at all times outside your own home and fine people who don't. In Greece its a 300 euro fine if you don't wear a mask outside your home!!
my daughter has to enforce it as she is a police officer not all have a choice do they, and they should enforce it they advertise they will.
I'm afraid that I do not see that task of ensuring supermarket customers wear their masks (properly) to be anything other than the responsibility of the store...and yes, that may well include your son or daughter.
All they had to do was follow China or even better New Zealand and close borders
The 'no group shopping' rule is rather annoying. We're trying to limit our visits to the supermarket per week and so we need multiple people to carry the shopping.
And no, don't suggest online delivery as an alternative, half of the time they either replace what we put on the list with some random trash or don't replace it at all.
And no, don't suggest online delivery as an alternative, half of the time they either replace what we put on the list with some random trash or don't replace it at all.
The 'no group shopping' rule is rather annoying. We're trying to limit our visits to the supermarket per week and so we need multiple people to carry the shopping.
And no, don't suggest online delivery as an alternative, half of the time they either replace what we put on the list with some random trash or don't replace it at all.
And no, don't suggest online delivery as an alternative, half of the time they either replace what we put on the list with some random trash or don't replace it at all.
In the first lockdown supermarkets were not letting in those not wearing masks. The have security staff, so what is their problem?
Javvy, what planet are you on. Mask wearing was not a thing during the first lockdown, so they most definitely were letting people in not wearing a mask.
Please keep the discussion on topic, no need to talk about horse stuff.
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Wearing facemasks in public:
The pandemic is merely highlighting those that don't believe in a civil society where decency and respect are important.
QED
Do the right thing.
The pandemic is merely highlighting those that don't believe in a civil society where decency and respect are important.
QED
Do the right thing.
No it's highlighting that the majority in this country will exclude anyone different to them if they can get away with it.
Assuming that everyone can drive, has someone who can help them, can afford to pay for deliveries even if they can get a slot just because you can is ridiculous
Assuming that everyone can drive, has someone who can help them, can afford to pay for deliveries even if they can get a slot just because you can is ridiculous
What is wrong with people that they can’t follow a simple rule? Wearing masks is a common sense precaution and not an erosion of personal liberty.
The sooner those dimwits who bleat on about being forced to do something they don’t like, realise that masks help reduce the spread of the virus, the quicker we get out of this mess. Removed
The sooner those dimwits who bleat on about being forced to do something they don’t like, realise that masks help reduce the spread of the virus, the quicker we get out of this mess. Removed
Yes. It seems to be the people who never mentally matured, and seem to think that they are still at school trying to evade the school headmaster.
mask or wear scarf