Civil service: Call to move 50,000 officials out of London
12/01/2021 | news | politics | 164
Tory think tank says government departments should re-locate to Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle.
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13/01/2021 10:35:24 8 2
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The last year has shown how we don’t need everything based in London: increasing remote working and virtual meetings will allow staff, from both the civil service and other sectors, to relocate to more affordable areas around the country, and support business in those areas as well.
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13/01/2021 10:37:29 8 2
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Civil service: Call to move 50,000 officials out of London
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Dogger Bank?
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13/01/2021 10:37:43 15 2
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There are already a lot of government departments based in the North like the DWP.
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13/01/2021 18:20:59 2 0
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Latest figures from the ONS show there are already 110,000 civil servants in the north - more than in London.
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13/01/2021 10:37:48 17 2
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This would have made a great episode for ‘Yes Minister’

So many opportunities for humour from both sides.

Sir Humphrey would have been apoplectic!
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13/01/2021 16:39:42 6 0
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I'm pretty sure there was actually an episode about this sort of thing in 'Man Overboard'. Humphrey was furious about plans to redeploy servicemen to the North, and unsurprisingly won the day.
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13/01/2021 10:42:16 6 6
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Brilliant and the civil servants have shot themselves in the foot by saying that they would prefer to work from home post covid. Shove them out into the regions. House prices quality of life far better than London. They even have Waitrose and if any survive covid theatres etc. Watch the howls of outrage from the unions at these proposals
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13/01/2021 11:51:48 3 1
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So you would be happy if your employer told you that your job was moving to the other end of the country?
Thought not.
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13/01/2021 10:43:50 1 1
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And the bbc ?

Leave bbc london as the regional presence. ?
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13/01/2021 10:50:55 1 2
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Well wherever they are a change of culture is needed, competence doesn't seem to be the culture, but jobs for life and hiding behind the politicians is.
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13/01/2021 11:14:42 3 1
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Hiding behind the politicians? You are joking. Politicians never take the blame for their decisions but always blame their staff.
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NRB
13/01/2021 10:52:45 4 6
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They will have to fight the ex pats fleeing Europe after the disastrous Brexit shambles for housing and any other services
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13/01/2021 10:53:16 20 1
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why move them to city's, move them to towns that really need to be lifted, spread the wealth these departmentts bring to areas than need it
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Rob
13/01/2021 10:53:21 22 1
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It well meaning but has failed every time its been done. The senior staff move for a year or so then creep back to London and leave the low paid jobs in the depressed region. When the HSE was moved to Liverpool the Board agreed to move, then set up an office in Westminster with security that wouldn't allow "normal" staff in. With wonderful irony it was called "Citadel House".
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13/01/2021 11:24:20 10 13
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But it also creates other problems because the jobs left are not low paid relative to what, say, the private sector can afford to pay. So we end up with vast areas of the country where public sector employment effectively prevents the creation of real jobs because the public sector is too cushy.
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13/01/2021 17:16:24 1 0
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You are correct Rob.

It has been tried before but as soon as cuts and savings have to be made it is those satellite jobs that go first, why because it was cheaper to centralise, so unless the centralisation is in a northern area , then these are like low hanging fruit, there one day gone the next
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13/01/2021 10:54:42 3 2
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no one really NEEDS to based in London as its been proved in the last year and that includes those members of the HoL just "popping in" to sign in and leave again for the hundreds of pounds a day and then we would see who really needs to be at a place of work when they have to travel or use an online facility to take part.
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13/01/2021 22:08:53 0 0
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The commons and the lords HAVE to remain together no matter which way you play it and if you think leading Tory MPs and Grandees will live in the north you're barking many came from the north and wouldn't come back
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13/01/2021 11:05:19 4 5
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Relocate? To the north? Are you mad?
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13/01/2021 11:07:53 2 1
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Why?
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13/01/2021 11:52:34 2 0
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We got running water and electric a couple of months ago... I will be able to move the privvy indoors and the outside buildings can be used as a whippet sanctuary. And with the electric I will be able to get me one of those new-fangled washing machines so I won't smell like a whippet's foot after a walk up the Pennine Moors.
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13/01/2021 11:05:20 6 4
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Long overdue. Much more dissemination of power and decision making required. The world does not end at the M25.
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13/01/2021 12:41:12 5 1
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Decision making remains in London only the workers move out of London not the Policy Makers.
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13/01/2021 11:06:14 5 2
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Decades late but most welcome, with everything so London centric this will help re-educate Big Brother...
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13/01/2021 11:07:03 2 1
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This will only work with meaningful jobs for people from the local areas. The net result of driving people out of London is an increase in local house prices to the exclusion of locals
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13/01/2021 11:05:19 4 5
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Relocate? To the north? Are you mad?
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13/01/2021 11:07:53 2 1
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Why?
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13/01/2021 11:09:27 3 0
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I worked for the Home Office in Sheffield for a number of years. Why shouldn't there be others?
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13/01/2021 12:48:03 2 4
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Goodness me! You actually `worked' at the Home Office? Remarkable!
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13/01/2021 11:10:42 19 6
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This should hopefully save the taxpayer a fortune on all those "London weighted" salaries, plus the higher costs of office space in a the capital.
You think so? They'll be compensated to a ridiculous degree
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13/01/2021 11:11:26 5 6
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This is not about "levelling up." The idea that Civil service policymakers in London all come from London is rubbish. They are people from all over the country, not afraid to move to get a good job. Where was Cummings from? Was that London? This is about destroying the Civil Service so as to concentrate more power in the hands of political advisors and right-wing think-tanks with access to No 10.
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13/01/2021 12:01:50 1 0
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But it isn't just about the civil servants themselves. It is also about all the secondary jobs that grow up to support the civil service wherever they are located.
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13/01/2021 11:12:10 12 3
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move parliament and house of lords out of London.
move the civil service out of London.
move the MOD out of London.
Any National body to have regional hubs, not centred on London.
encourage big business, and banks to move out of London.
then maybe you wont need the congestion charge, and the Railway can work for
other parts of the Country.
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13/01/2021 22:04:39 0 0
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The political class do NOT want to leave London they do not even want to leave the palace of Westminster which is falling down around them why? Because the wealthy are no longer really British they are INTERNATIONAL they do not want to jet into Sheffield or Newcastle they'd sooner spend a week in Warsaw!
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13/01/2021 11:13:09 3 2
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Tumbleweed will yet flow through the Boulevards of London...
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13/01/2021 11:14:02 33 7
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Zzzzzzzz.

Anyone landing on planet England right now would be forgiven for thinking that it consists solely of London and the North.

How about the East, West, South West, Midlands etc?
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13/01/2021 11:54:24 27 6
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Well said the SW and East Anglia do not exist, they are worse off in some of these areas than Manchester Leeds and Newcastle
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13/01/2021 10:50:55 1 2
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Well wherever they are a change of culture is needed, competence doesn't seem to be the culture, but jobs for life and hiding behind the politicians is.
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13/01/2021 11:14:42 3 1
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Hiding behind the politicians? You are joking. Politicians never take the blame for their decisions but always blame their staff.
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13/01/2021 11:16:36 3 2
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No doubt the politicians and their SPADS will remain in London.
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13/01/2021 11:19:24 2 4
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Considering parliament is in London then that makes perfect sense.
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13/01/2021 11:16:36 3 2
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No doubt the politicians and their SPADS will remain in London.
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13/01/2021 11:19:24 2 4
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Considering parliament is in London then that makes perfect sense.
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13/01/2021 11:20:21 2 2
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None of this is new. There were 2 previous govt led reviews The Gershon Review and the Lyons Review going back 20+ years saying exactly the same thing and here we are again with something being trumpeted as 'a new idea'. I don't disagree with the concept it's just successive govts haven't delivered on it and nor will this one.
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13/01/2021 11:21:33 4 3
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No reason not to do this, as long as one understands that it is only a long term cost saving exercise. It makes no difference in real terms to anything else.
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Rob
13/01/2021 10:53:21 22 1
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It well meaning but has failed every time its been done. The senior staff move for a year or so then creep back to London and leave the low paid jobs in the depressed region. When the HSE was moved to Liverpool the Board agreed to move, then set up an office in Westminster with security that wouldn't allow "normal" staff in. With wonderful irony it was called "Citadel House".
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13/01/2021 11:24:20 10 13
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But it also creates other problems because the jobs left are not low paid relative to what, say, the private sector can afford to pay. So we end up with vast areas of the country where public sector employment effectively prevents the creation of real jobs because the public sector is too cushy.
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13/01/2021 11:49:17 4 2
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Around Bristol the Civil Service struggles to recruit and retain staff as the wages and perks in the private sector are so much better.
And has a damaging effect inflating house prices because of relocation packages and an influx of the still huge by most standards public sector salaries.
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13/01/2021 11:27:35 0 5
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Tory Dream Tank

Recycling the recycling, do they get paid for this stuff?
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13/01/2021 15:17:07 2 0
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Sorry If I upset the Interns @ Tory HQ on AM Shift
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13/01/2021 11:29:03 0 11
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Bang goes REAL Independance for Scotland, N.Ireland,and, Wales.

Another Boris Lie!

The devolved states warned of the Power Grab by Westminister through BREXIT !

Cameron, May, and, Johnson ALL Lied !
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13/01/2021 12:43:06 0 1
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Why do you sound so surprised? Did you vote Tory?
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13/01/2021 13:03:55 0 0
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Did you have a comment on this particular story - the one about relocating senior Whitehall departments to regional centres? Or do you just shout the same populist slogans at every opportunity, regardless of relevance or context?
As it is, your 'comment' reads like a Trump tweet (remember those?)
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13/01/2021 11:35:33 8 8
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Call which will promptly be ignored by the Tories.

The Tory party is the party of London bankers and the posh shires, it couldn't care less about anyone outside their own little elite bubble.
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13/01/2021 12:37:07 2 3
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Carry on believing that propaganda if you like, however, it isn't true.
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13/01/2021 11:43:14 3 2
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After WW2 governments had a regional industrial development policy. This was a complete disaster. The Hillman IMP plant near Glasgow for instance killed off the parent Rootes Group in Coventry. Excellence needs to be clustered and nurtured so as to concentrate infrastructure. Parachuting the civil service somewhere could create harm than good.
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13/01/2021 11:24:20 10 13
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But it also creates other problems because the jobs left are not low paid relative to what, say, the private sector can afford to pay. So we end up with vast areas of the country where public sector employment effectively prevents the creation of real jobs because the public sector is too cushy.
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13/01/2021 11:49:17 4 2
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Around Bristol the Civil Service struggles to recruit and retain staff as the wages and perks in the private sector are so much better.
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13/01/2021 15:56:58 4 0
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Many decades ago people settled for civil service job even though the pay was less than the private sector. The trade off was the fact they got a better pension than other workers.
You also have the problem that many civil servants are now expected to have expensive degrees to do jobs that at one time only needed a handful of good O levels.

A different world.
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13/01/2021 10:42:16 6 6
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Brilliant and the civil servants have shot themselves in the foot by saying that they would prefer to work from home post covid. Shove them out into the regions. House prices quality of life far better than London. They even have Waitrose and if any survive covid theatres etc. Watch the howls of outrage from the unions at these proposals
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13/01/2021 11:51:48 3 1
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So you would be happy if your employer told you that your job was moving to the other end of the country?
Thought not.
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13/01/2021 11:05:19 4 5
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Relocate? To the north? Are you mad?
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13/01/2021 11:52:34 2 0
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We got running water and electric a couple of months ago... I will be able to move the privvy indoors and the outside buildings can be used as a whippet sanctuary. And with the electric I will be able to get me one of those new-fangled washing machines so I won't smell like a whippet's foot after a walk up the Pennine Moors.
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13/01/2021 11:14:02 33 7
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Zzzzzzzz.

Anyone landing on planet England right now would be forgiven for thinking that it consists solely of London and the North.

How about the East, West, South West, Midlands etc?
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13/01/2021 11:54:24 27 6
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Well said the SW and East Anglia do not exist, they are worse off in some of these areas than Manchester Leeds and Newcastle
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13/01/2021 12:45:30 0 4
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The most deprived communities in the country are found in London. Any belief anyone has that moving the Civil Service to pastures new will improve conditions in their neighbourhood is deluding themselves. All that will happen is that house prices will rise in the better areas and the rest can just rot further.
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13/01/2021 15:12:47 1 1
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You must be joking in that statement, head North we eat Rats for Breakfast..
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13/01/2021 11:56:27 3 4
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Don't be silly...………..the Tory's having a think about anything. It's knee jerk knee jerk surely
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13/01/2021 11:56:35 8 0
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It is noticeable that the West Country has been left out of this realignment. It is good that Government departments are being moved to the North, but it seems that the South West is continually side-lined. It doesn't even figure in any of the discussions. Exeter and Gloucester need a boost just as much as York, Lancaster and Liverpool.
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13/01/2021 11:58:31 4 0
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And Plymouth which really needs a boost.
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13/01/2021 12:37:57 1 0
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I thought Bristol was in the West Country and Abbey Wood already houses a major Department.
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13/01/2021 20:29:05 0 0
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but they could never staff them in the south west
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13/01/2021 11:56:35 8 0
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It is noticeable that the West Country has been left out of this realignment. It is good that Government departments are being moved to the North, but it seems that the South West is continually side-lined. It doesn't even figure in any of the discussions. Exeter and Gloucester need a boost just as much as York, Lancaster and Liverpool.
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13/01/2021 11:58:31 4 0
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And Plymouth which really needs a boost.
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14/01/2021 14:44:48 0 0
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Plymouth will be getting the subs if the SNP get their way.
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13/01/2021 11:11:26 5 6
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This is not about "levelling up." The idea that Civil service policymakers in London all come from London is rubbish. They are people from all over the country, not afraid to move to get a good job. Where was Cummings from? Was that London? This is about destroying the Civil Service so as to concentrate more power in the hands of political advisors and right-wing think-tanks with access to No 10.
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13/01/2021 12:01:50 1 0
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But it isn't just about the civil servants themselves. It is also about all the secondary jobs that grow up to support the civil service wherever they are located.
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13/01/2021 12:04:13 0 3
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Ah, now we know why Ri Chun-Twee's latest puff piece was on this very issue. Prepping the public on behalf of her toff chums. Seriously, even North Korea would draw the line at forcing their civvies to fund state propaganda.
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13/01/2021 12:20:29 14 3
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Give it 12 months and senior jobs will all creep back to London.
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13/01/2021 12:34:17 3 3
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Aren’t they all working at home except the right honourable lot including the PM? The should move the house of so called Lords to the history books.
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13/01/2021 11:35:33 8 8
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Call which will promptly be ignored by the Tories.

The Tory party is the party of London bankers and the posh shires, it couldn't care less about anyone outside their own little elite bubble.
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13/01/2021 12:37:07 2 3
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Carry on believing that propaganda if you like, however, it isn't true.
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13/01/2021 13:09:30 0 2
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No its really the party of a self interested corrupt elite who care nothing for the proles they protest they protect
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13/01/2021 11:56:35 8 0
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It is noticeable that the West Country has been left out of this realignment. It is good that Government departments are being moved to the North, but it seems that the South West is continually side-lined. It doesn't even figure in any of the discussions. Exeter and Gloucester need a boost just as much as York, Lancaster and Liverpool.
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13/01/2021 12:37:57 1 0
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I thought Bristol was in the West Country and Abbey Wood already houses a major Department.
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13/01/2021 12:41:09 14 2
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What everyone is forgetting is that government departments have been moving out of London for decades. All it that has done is create islands of relative prosperity in certain locations around the country. This strategy will fail as before.

What is needed is an industrial policy in which R&D and manufacturing is facilitated by government policy rather than a studied indifference to productivity.
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14/01/2021 14:42:28 0 0
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When we get into a position where Government has to be actively involved in general R&D and manufacturing, it a sign of problems elsewhere. Agreed Government should do more to encourage more R&D and manufacturing , but that needs to be more directed at a mix of carrot & stick, not substitution.
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13/01/2021 11:05:20 6 4
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Long overdue. Much more dissemination of power and decision making required. The world does not end at the M25.
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13/01/2021 12:41:12 5 1
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Decision making remains in London only the workers move out of London not the Policy Makers.
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13/01/2021 11:29:03 0 11
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Bang goes REAL Independance for Scotland, N.Ireland,and, Wales.

Another Boris Lie!

The devolved states warned of the Power Grab by Westminister through BREXIT !

Cameron, May, and, Johnson ALL Lied !
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13/01/2021 12:43:06 0 1
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Why do you sound so surprised? Did you vote Tory?
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13/01/2021 15:24:58 1 0
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Yes ! like 18m Brexiteers.
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13/01/2021 11:54:24 27 6
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Well said the SW and East Anglia do not exist, they are worse off in some of these areas than Manchester Leeds and Newcastle
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13/01/2021 12:45:30 0 4
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The most deprived communities in the country are found in London. Any belief anyone has that moving the Civil Service to pastures new will improve conditions in their neighbourhood is deluding themselves. All that will happen is that house prices will rise in the better areas and the rest can just rot further.
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13/01/2021 12:46:11 1 8
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are they still working from home!!!!!!!! for 9 months disgraceful on full pay and benefits as well,,,needs investigating
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13/01/2021 14:57:40 0 1
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Don’t forget the home office furniture they’ve all claimed too as none had tables or chairs.
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13/01/2021 11:09:27 3 0
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I worked for the Home Office in Sheffield for a number of years. Why shouldn't there be others?
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13/01/2021 12:48:03 2 4
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Goodness me! You actually `worked' at the Home Office? Remarkable!
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13/01/2021 12:56:05 0 0
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Nice idea - maybe survey those who would be relocated, where they would like to be ?
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13/01/2021 12:58:43 0 0
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Actually... work from home... why not let people work from where they want to be... like on the beach in Spain....
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13/01/2021 11:29:03 0 11
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Bang goes REAL Independance for Scotland, N.Ireland,and, Wales.

Another Boris Lie!

The devolved states warned of the Power Grab by Westminister through BREXIT !

Cameron, May, and, Johnson ALL Lied !
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13/01/2021 13:03:55 0 0
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Did you have a comment on this particular story - the one about relocating senior Whitehall departments to regional centres? Or do you just shout the same populist slogans at every opportunity, regardless of relevance or context?
As it is, your 'comment' reads like a Trump tweet (remember those?)
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13/01/2021 15:25:15 0 0
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I'll throw that back at you!

Read the 2nd to last paragraph - relevance and context satisfied !
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13/01/2021 12:37:07 2 3
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Carry on believing that propaganda if you like, however, it isn't true.
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13/01/2021 13:09:30 0 2
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No its really the party of a self interested corrupt elite who care nothing for the proles they protest they protect
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13/01/2021 13:11:03 1 0
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They should move the ministers for those departments as well. Patel to Newcastle, Hancock to Liverpool, Sunak to Leeds.

Do them good to get out of the London bubble. Whats good for the Goose...
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13/01/2021 13:12:11 23 6
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I'd be more impressed if there was a call to get rid of 55,000 non jobs in the civil service ... there are far too many Sir Humphreys as it is.
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13/01/2021 13:12:28 25 4
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Move the nuclear subs out of Scotland to the SW of England. Plymouth, Davenport
anywhere but Scotland.

That's 3,500 jobs Queen Nicola will have to replace. Oh but she can't.
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13/01/2021 20:26:22 4 4
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Just get rid, we are never going to use them
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13/01/2021 13:16:39 3 2
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Excellent idea
Property for offices will be far cheaper than in London
Wages should be reduced as no more London weighting

Plus of course the boost to local economies outside London
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13/01/2021 13:24:48 2 3
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Not well thought out as usual. It will leave a £3bn/year hole on the London area economy with loss of jobs and businesses. What we need is growth, not a Tory game of moving the deckchairs around.

Mind you, be happy to see Rees Mogg move up to Newcastle - he would fit in right well.
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13/01/2021 15:36:27 0 0
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The Tories cant even shift the deckchairs any longer..

Ten years and what in all honesty have they to show for it?? Dave - Tessa- Bojo...
Removed
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DSA
13/01/2021 13:25:19 4 4
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Does the north really want 50,000 overpaid jobsworths relocating at a huge cost to the taxpayer?

I doubt it, better to start new jobs in the north to replace job wastage in the south.
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13/01/2021 13:32:05 4 2
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They (ie successive govts, Labour & Tory) have been talking about moving the Civil Service out of London since the 1960s. Nothing materialised - so do not hold your breath. No mention of moving the BBC out of London - it will help them to understand how the rest of the country is not metropolitan or London centric.
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13/01/2021 13:35:49 2 3
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Ignorance personified.
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13/01/2021 22:10:27 0 0
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BBC DID move out of London! Thousands went to Manchester
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13/01/2021 13:35:18 7 1
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And how much is all this moving going to cost? I mean: nobody is exactly swimming in money at the moment. Or would this be to placate red wall voters? Is there an election coming up? Ah yes, May... unless delayed...
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13/01/2021 13:32:05 4 2
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They (ie successive govts, Labour & Tory) have been talking about moving the Civil Service out of London since the 1960s. Nothing materialised - so do not hold your breath. No mention of moving the BBC out of London - it will help them to understand how the rest of the country is not metropolitan or London centric.
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13/01/2021 13:35:49 2 3
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Ignorance personified.
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13/01/2021 13:36:05 3 2
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There is no obvious reason why these ideas could not be implemented except the intransigence of the people who would have to move to keep their jobs (sound familiar)
The technology exists for communication Ina many form, and even working from home may become the new paradigm.
This of course means CHANGE something many abhor and are terrified of, but it it leads to more open government run with it
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13/01/2021 13:38:49 6 5
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Forget moving them. Get rid of most of them.
Removed
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13/01/2021 13:41:36 4 4
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I’d imagine most of them want to move, to Brussels.
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13/01/2021 13:50:19 1 3
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unlikely full of trumpers
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13/01/2021 13:46:48 3 6
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Get rid of 50% of them, let them try and live in the real world, instead of a cosseted civil service job.
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13/01/2021 13:58:03 5 3
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If you lifted your head out of the editorials of the Mail and the Express you might find out that a fair proportion of Civil Servants receive in work benefits because their pay is so low, and each time the minimum wage rises quite a number have to have their pay increased to the legal minimum. That's the real world for many!
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13/01/2021 13:41:36 4 4
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I’d imagine most of them want to move, to Brussels.
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13/01/2021 13:50:19 1 3
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unlikely full of trumpers
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13/01/2021 13:35:44 0 1
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NameThatsNotTaken
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Actually... work from home... why not let people work from where they want to be... like on the beach in Spain....

That only works for people who are highly motivated, ie. those who work for themselves. I "work" at home now and while I do get the work I need to do done, I don't do much else that benefits my employer!
I must go out and refill that squirrel feeder.
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13/01/2021 13:46:48 3 6
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Get rid of 50% of them, let them try and live in the real world, instead of a cosseted civil service job.
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13/01/2021 13:58:03 5 3
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If you lifted your head out of the editorials of the Mail and the Express you might find out that a fair proportion of Civil Servants receive in work benefits because their pay is so low, and each time the minimum wage rises quite a number have to have their pay increased to the legal minimum. That's the real world for many!
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13/01/2021 13:58:19 9 0
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Quote - However, it said voters - including low-skilled, blue collar workers who backed the Conservative for the first time in 2019 - would need convincing that it would have a positive impact on their lives.- Unquote.

You may find that a lot of these workers could easily do the jobs. They probably have the nouse but have never been given the opportunity due to geographic location.
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13/01/2021 14:53:40 7 6
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Low-skilled and blue collar?? How divisive and insulting.
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13/01/2021 14:09:24 5 2
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Are the Ministers going to move with them?
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13/01/2021 14:12:15 4 3
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Doubt it, need to be close to the seat of government.
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13/01/2021 14:11:11 10 0
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I’m sure many of the London based civil servants will happily swap their 3 bed semi for a 5 bed detached with double garage in the regions. Bound to push house prices up where they are relocated to though.
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13/01/2021 14:09:24 5 2
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Are the Ministers going to move with them?
77
13/01/2021 14:12:15 4 3
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Doubt it, need to be close to the seat of government.
88
13/01/2021 15:23:49 2 0
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So ministers stay in London but their departments move to the other end of the country? This govt already has substantial communication problems. Will this improve that?
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13/01/2021 14:24:47 8 0
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Why is it assumed that it’s only the north who are in need of investment and jobs, we in the west are struggling also.
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13/01/2021 14:28:18 5 6
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If they dont want to go to the new areas thats ok will increase jobs in the North. Those who go will have a more realistic view of life outside the London Bubble. Some of these luvvies have spent the last 4 years trying to sabotage a referendum result and almost destroyed our democracy. These should resign.
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13/01/2021 13:58:19 9 0
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Quote - However, it said voters - including low-skilled, blue collar workers who backed the Conservative for the first time in 2019 - would need convincing that it would have a positive impact on their lives.- Unquote.

You may find that a lot of these workers could easily do the jobs. They probably have the nouse but have never been given the opportunity due to geographic location.
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13/01/2021 14:53:40 7 6
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Low-skilled and blue collar?? How divisive and insulting.
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13/01/2021 14:54:37 4 1
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“Low skilled and blue collar” how divisive and insulting.
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13/01/2021 15:31:07 2 6
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That is the BBC for you. The champagne socialist luvvies who know nothing about us working class and how we feel
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13/01/2021 12:46:11 1 8
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are they still working from home!!!!!!!! for 9 months disgraceful on full pay and benefits as well,,,needs investigating
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13/01/2021 14:57:40 0 1
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Don’t forget the home office furniture they’ve all claimed too as none had tables or chairs.
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13/01/2021 15:01:45 11 1
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All Government departments should be relocated out of London and shared across the whole country. Whilst there is a focus on the North, let is not forget other regions. Locate some in Norwich and Exeter too.

Oh and why Liverpool for Health? NHS England is already based in LEEDS.... Consolidate Health in Leeds where there is already a base and put the Treasury in Liverpool.
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13/01/2021 11:54:24 27 6
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Well said the SW and East Anglia do not exist, they are worse off in some of these areas than Manchester Leeds and Newcastle
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13/01/2021 15:12:47 1 1
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You must be joking in that statement, head North we eat Rats for Breakfast..
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13/01/2021 17:18:37 1 0
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Rats ! in the shops in the SW as “Fine Dining”
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14/01/2021 14:30:42 0 0
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You still have rats left? Luxury!
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13/01/2021 11:27:35 0 5
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Tory Dream Tank

Recycling the recycling, do they get paid for this stuff?
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13/01/2021 15:17:07 2 0
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Sorry If I upset the Interns @ Tory HQ on AM Shift
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col
13/01/2021 15:17:46 4 3
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no more expensive place than london.
Putting living costs to one side just consider the cost of office space!
A large office in London costs anywhere from 1.5 to10 times the price per staff member of an office in somewhere like Shrewsbury or Sunderland.

The civil service have been blocking such moves for 50yrs!
Cummings was right about sacking the old guard and bringing in new people!
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13/01/2021 15:33:31 1 1
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The Darlinks will all leave if they have to leave the capital....
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13/01/2021 15:16:54 1 1
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Rubbish story of the day. Cant wait for tomorrow.
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13/01/2021 14:12:15 4 3
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Doubt it, need to be close to the seat of government.
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13/01/2021 15:23:49 2 0
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So ministers stay in London but their departments move to the other end of the country? This govt already has substantial communication problems. Will this improve that?
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13/01/2021 12:43:06 0 1
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Why do you sound so surprised? Did you vote Tory?
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13/01/2021 15:24:58 1 0
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Yes ! like 18m Brexiteers.
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13/01/2021 13:03:55 0 0
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Did you have a comment on this particular story - the one about relocating senior Whitehall departments to regional centres? Or do you just shout the same populist slogans at every opportunity, regardless of relevance or context?
As it is, your 'comment' reads like a Trump tweet (remember those?)
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13/01/2021 15:25:15 0 0
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I'll throw that back at you!

Read the 2nd to last paragraph - relevance and context satisfied !
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13/01/2021 15:26:20 4 4
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We can then stop paying the higher rate London Salaries too... BIG win!!!
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13/01/2021 15:28:24 2 0
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This was tried 30 years ago with the utility regulators Ofwat and Ofgem. But as more senior people were appointed from industry, there was pressure to partly relocate back to Whitehall. "a short brown nose away from the Seat of Power" as I once put it. It was great for giving more junior staff a chance to work at a higher level and get more experience, as well as drawing on more diverse voices.
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col
13/01/2021 15:17:46 4 3
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no more expensive place than london.
Putting living costs to one side just consider the cost of office space!
A large office in London costs anywhere from 1.5 to10 times the price per staff member of an office in somewhere like Shrewsbury or Sunderland.

The civil service have been blocking such moves for 50yrs!
Cummings was right about sacking the old guard and bringing in new people!
93
13/01/2021 15:33:31 1 1
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The Darlinks will all leave if they have to leave the capital....
81
13/01/2021 14:54:37 4 1
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“Low skilled and blue collar” how divisive and insulting.
94
13/01/2021 15:31:07 2 6
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That is the BBC for you. The champagne socialist luvvies who know nothing about us working class and how we feel
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13/01/2021 16:50:24 1 0
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So you obviously think everyone who works for the BBC drinks champagne?. Stop listening to Farage.
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13/01/2021 17:22:33 2 0
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Working class! you’ve been insulting them for years.
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13/01/2021 17:50:48 1 0
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Read the article! It was a quote from the Tory MPs.
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13/01/2021 13:24:48 2 3
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Not well thought out as usual. It will leave a £3bn/year hole on the London area economy with loss of jobs and businesses. What we need is growth, not a Tory game of moving the deckchairs around.

Mind you, be happy to see Rees Mogg move up to Newcastle - he would fit in right well.
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13/01/2021 15:36:27 0 0
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The Tories cant even shift the deckchairs any longer..

Ten years and what in all honesty have they to show for it?? Dave - Tessa- Bojo...
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13/01/2021 15:37:27 7 2
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Robert Day
15:28
"This was tried 30 years ago"

30 years ago was near Stone Age...

The world and technology has moved on. Only small Ministerial Offices are needed in London. They could fit into ONE building. All other functions can be ANYWHERE.
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13/01/2021 15:58:21 1 0
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Exactly. And successive governments and "top people" binned it. I wasn't suggesting that it's a bad idea - exactly the opposite.
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13/01/2021 15:45:25 2 4
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Move Parliament north too into a purpose built building instead of pouring millions into the ruins of Westminster Palace. Sell to repay UK debts.
No retaining offices in London for departments moved north either.
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13/01/2021 15:51:54 2 1
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Apply the same rule to the QUANGOS as well.
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MVS
13/01/2021 17:40:49 1 2
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No. Tell the quangos they are moving but forget to find them offices.
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13/01/2021 11:49:17 4 2
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Around Bristol the Civil Service struggles to recruit and retain staff as the wages and perks in the private sector are so much better.
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13/01/2021 15:56:58 4 0
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Many decades ago people settled for civil service job even though the pay was less than the private sector. The trade off was the fact they got a better pension than other workers.
You also have the problem that many civil servants are now expected to have expensive degrees to do jobs that at one time only needed a handful of good O levels.

A different world.
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13/01/2021 16:11:39 2 0
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Totally agree, and the final salary pensions have gone as well.
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13/01/2021 15:37:27 7 2
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Robert Day
15:28
"This was tried 30 years ago"

30 years ago was near Stone Age...

The world and technology has moved on. Only small Ministerial Offices are needed in London. They could fit into ONE building. All other functions can be ANYWHERE.
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13/01/2021 15:58:21 1 0
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Exactly. And successive governments and "top people" binned it. I wasn't suggesting that it's a bad idea - exactly the opposite.