Covid: Many NHS staff 'traumatised' by first wave of virus, study shows
13/01/2021 | news | health | 145
More than 700 intensive care staff at nine hospitals were asked about their experiences for a study.
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13/01/2021 10:45:06 3 12
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Really?
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13/01/2021 10:45:10 28 2
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Must have been and still is terrible, A massive thank you to all our NHS staff, without you this situation would be unimaginable.
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13/01/2021 10:45:15 43 3
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Anyone who has sat with a loved one in their final hours in ICU can tell you its not like the movies, no peaceful closing of eyes, no gentle slipping away. It's brutal, I'm still having flashbacks nearly 20 years on.
I feel so much for the medical staff facing this day after day, they took up the profession to save lives not this.
Please do your bit to prevent the spread, its the least we can do
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13/01/2021 11:24:03 6 13
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But the ICU covid patients who are dying are in induced comas, so surely for them it is fairly 'peaceful'? My doctor friend said the covid ward was eerily quiet because everyone was in medical comas. My understanding with the covid trauma talked about here is simply that there are so many deaths and that lots of the patients dying are relatively young and healthy.
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13/01/2021 12:49:12 3 0
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Quite correct Well, its not like the movies.
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13/01/2021 17:17:08 1 0
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I've been in hospital as a patient several times and I understand how horrible it can be.

Not the fault of the staff - but the more I've experienced illness, the more I want assisted suicide to be available. I really don't fancy being medically forced to stay alive for a few more worthless days of existence.
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13/01/2021 10:46:02 26 9
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The NHS has been so poorly managed for years and years it's no good just feeling sorry for the hands-on staff at this time. They are doing their best, as usual. Management has been lacking for decades and so much money wasted. They are always in the poop every winter so a bit more this year has pushed them over the edge but it's not just this year alone. Beyond time for a shake-up.
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13/01/2021 11:30:40 8 6
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Management in the NHS hasn't been lacking, the opposite in fact, there is just too much of it!
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13/01/2021 10:45:03 31 14
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Many people in many walks of life have suffered because of Covid. That is not to trivialize NHS workers experiences but maybe it would be helpful if the media focused on the struggles of other professionals occasionally ? Sometimes you would be mistaken for thinking that its only teachers and NHS staff who have felt the pressure.
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13/01/2021 11:29:24 10 19
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Exactly. When you sign up as a health professional. something like this is always on the cards. A bit like when you join the army, there is always a possibility that you will be sent somewhere that there is a combat situation. I know the NHS is having a tough time at the moment, but in normal times, the terms of employment are pretty decent!
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13/01/2021 11:34:34 4 2
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Well when we tried to argue for a pay rise for public sector workers such as police, firemen, hospital staff, teachers, civil servants etc we were shot down because how dare they get a 1% cost of living adjustment while dealing with COVID when the private sector wont get one (although im sure plenty of private companies will)

And then the Gov got a pay rise.
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14/01/2021 07:52:53 0 0
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Over many years frontline NHS staff have been pushed to breaking point, especially over the winter. The pandemic hit at the tail end of winter and it has been pretty relentless until early summer. Sustained witnessing of trauma is damaging. Many staff are working long shifts and had leave cancelled. So no chance to rest and recover. Could you continue to function in those circumstances?
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13/01/2021 10:45:59 19 1
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As rightly as it is that there is much focus on the NHS and the issues they are facing mentally from this pandemic, there is another proffession which is suffering trauma from this pandemic just behind the 'frontline' which gets no support, and that is the undertakers! They have been dealing with this & all the associated problems that come with it, but they are completely under the radar!
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PCS
13/01/2021 10:55:02 17 1
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Including minimum wage care home staff some who have been working massive increased shifts to cover for staff sickness! Who thru extreme tiredness end up being involved in RTA's, I speak from experience!
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13/01/2021 10:58:06 4 0
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I lost a family member to Covid and had to deal with funeral and her financial affairs. Add to list Registrars, bank staff, benefit staff, probate court staff, list goes on and on. I cried on so many people .....
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13/01/2021 10:53:02 18 13
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Ah, the infamous journalistic three word phrase "a study suggests".

Most studies suggest what their authors want them to. It doesn't mean they are based on fact.
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13/01/2021 11:29:55 11 3
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You are very welcome to provide an alternative reliable study that suggests otherwise...
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13/01/2021 13:36:04 0 1
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what a lovely tory.
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13/01/2021 10:45:59 19 1
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As rightly as it is that there is much focus on the NHS and the issues they are facing mentally from this pandemic, there is another proffession which is suffering trauma from this pandemic just behind the 'frontline' which gets no support, and that is the undertakers! They have been dealing with this & all the associated problems that come with it, but they are completely under the radar!
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PCS
13/01/2021 10:55:02 17 1
bbc
Including minimum wage care home staff some who have been working massive increased shifts to cover for staff sickness! Who thru extreme tiredness end up being involved in RTA's, I speak from experience!
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13/01/2021 10:45:59 19 1
bbc
As rightly as it is that there is much focus on the NHS and the issues they are facing mentally from this pandemic, there is another proffession which is suffering trauma from this pandemic just behind the 'frontline' which gets no support, and that is the undertakers! They have been dealing with this & all the associated problems that come with it, but they are completely under the radar!
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13/01/2021 10:58:06 4 0
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I lost a family member to Covid and had to deal with funeral and her financial affairs. Add to list Registrars, bank staff, benefit staff, probate court staff, list goes on and on. I cried on so many people .....
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13/01/2021 10:59:45 7 12
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Those of us who understand and are obeying the rules are the often-maligned-on-HYS retired, responsible, experienced, older adults. I do feel for the medical staff, and I'm sure they sympathise with us, unable to see family for months on end. Nobody is thanking any of us for staying out of the NHS, not getting infected, not infecting anyone else. Acknowledgement of our sacrifice is non-existent.
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13/01/2021 11:20:01 12 1
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WHAT?? You want people risking their lives, working through lockdown paying the taxes that pay your pension to thank you for not getting sick?

I've worked through lockdown. I make vaccines but helped in the first lockdown with pressurised gas deliveries to the local hospital. I paid my taxes, didn't claim furlough and also didn't get sick. Maybe I should get an oscar or a Nobel prize or something
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13/01/2021 11:40:39 0 1
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Is this a troll post?
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14/01/2021 12:48:20 0 0
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So basically you looked out for number 1, sat at home or in your garden for the best part of a year doing hobbies/gardening/doing nothing while others work non-stop to exhaustion or lose their jobs, homes, futures (in the aid of your preservation) and you want a pat on the back? Sorry but no.
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13/01/2021 10:58:02 8 22
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Volunteer for Yemen or similar. C what trauma is. Not decrying NHS BUT plenty similar people deserve praise.
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13/01/2021 11:13:36 20 3
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We are not in the Yemen or similar, this is the UK & our NHS. You say you're not decrying the NHS yet you imply that many NHS staff aren't suffering from PTSD? That in itself is offensive & seriously lacking in compassion.
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13/01/2021 11:16:18 14 1
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The whole point is that nursing SHOULDN'T be like a war. Most of my family are health care staff. My dad's been an oncologist for 40 years (went back on the wards aged 71 during lockdown). He served as a TA medic in the Falklands and first Gulf so HAS seen war. He's withdrawn and drinking hard too.

What do YOU do that gives you the right to criticise? Claim furlough???
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13/01/2021 11:13:22 5 9
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I know someone this has happened to
it's a bit like losing a comrade the war, only without the intimacy of camaraderie.
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13/01/2021 10:58:02 8 22
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Volunteer for Yemen or similar. C what trauma is. Not decrying NHS BUT plenty similar people deserve praise.
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13/01/2021 11:13:36 20 3
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We are not in the Yemen or similar, this is the UK & our NHS. You say you're not decrying the NHS yet you imply that many NHS staff aren't suffering from PTSD? That in itself is offensive & seriously lacking in compassion.
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13/01/2021 11:15:40 3 6
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Lacking in compassion? Absolutely.

Offensive? Oh, not another one!
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13/01/2021 11:13:36 20 3
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We are not in the Yemen or similar, this is the UK & our NHS. You say you're not decrying the NHS yet you imply that many NHS staff aren't suffering from PTSD? That in itself is offensive & seriously lacking in compassion.
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13/01/2021 11:15:40 3 6
bbc
Lacking in compassion? Absolutely.

Offensive? Oh, not another one!
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13/01/2021 11:26:39 5 1
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Not, not another one as you charmingly assert. It is offensive to suggest knowing better than, in this case, NHS staff, are not suffering PTSD. How would "Joe Public" know this?
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13/01/2021 12:28:32 0 0
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It is absolutely offensive, "C what trauma is" clearly suggests that the NHS are not experiencing what Copper995 considers to be trauma.

Your idiotic devaluation of the reporting of trauma suffered by NHS staff, that clearly doesn't fit your agenda, is an unfortunate symptom of the populisim that has swept the UK.
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13/01/2021 10:58:02 8 22
bbc
Volunteer for Yemen or similar. C what trauma is. Not decrying NHS BUT plenty similar people deserve praise.
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13/01/2021 11:16:18 14 1
bbc
The whole point is that nursing SHOULDN'T be like a war. Most of my family are health care staff. My dad's been an oncologist for 40 years (went back on the wards aged 71 during lockdown). He served as a TA medic in the Falklands and first Gulf so HAS seen war. He's withdrawn and drinking hard too.

What do YOU do that gives you the right to criticise? Claim furlough???
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13/01/2021 11:24:18 8 0
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Quite, well said.
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13/01/2021 11:18:32 6 8
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They should also survey working parents who now have to home school.
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13/01/2021 13:12:10 1 2
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Pathetic
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13/01/2021 11:18:59 10 12
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I suffered PTSD after the traumatic birth of my first child

PTSD Covid style is experiencing that same traumatic birth during every 12 hour shift.
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13/01/2021 10:59:45 7 12
bbc
Those of us who understand and are obeying the rules are the often-maligned-on-HYS retired, responsible, experienced, older adults. I do feel for the medical staff, and I'm sure they sympathise with us, unable to see family for months on end. Nobody is thanking any of us for staying out of the NHS, not getting infected, not infecting anyone else. Acknowledgement of our sacrifice is non-existent.
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13/01/2021 11:20:01 12 1
bbc
WHAT?? You want people risking their lives, working through lockdown paying the taxes that pay your pension to thank you for not getting sick?

I've worked through lockdown. I make vaccines but helped in the first lockdown with pressurised gas deliveries to the local hospital. I paid my taxes, didn't claim furlough and also didn't get sick. Maybe I should get an oscar or a Nobel prize or something
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13/01/2021 13:44:48 0 0
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Done similar here Peter, with zero thanks but I wasnt expecting any.
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JDB
13/01/2021 11:16:10 8 23
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Really?.Traumatised, says who?..This is more irresponsible journalism.. My sister is a staff nurse at Ninewells Hospital in Dundee and she and many of her colleagues have been left doing little or nothing due to an empty hospital. Six wards and ICU set aside for Covid and only ICU and one other ward are busy, not full but busy. They have been threatened with disciplinary action if they discuss it.
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13/01/2021 11:26:20 1 6
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No doubt due to sensible policies of Nicola Sturgeon and SNP!...
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13/01/2021 11:39:30 3 0
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My cousin's daughter works in maternity there and what you've described isn't dissimilar to what she's been saying.
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13/01/2021 12:05:20 0 3
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Good for you rebalancing the truth about what is actually happening
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13/01/2021 11:22:05 31 5
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I have lived in this country for 20+ years & have long been amazed at how people in this country take the NHS for granted. We are so very lucky to have this wonderful health service & without it many would be seriously screwed, medically. Private healthcare is ruinously expensive & certainly not superior. Be very grateful because without it ..., well you don't ever want to find out, believe me.
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13/01/2021 16:17:56 6 0
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Agreed, often taken for granted. I think we are complacent and don't truly understand what other systems are like. For example in the US, once your medical insurance hits its limits - and it often does for chronic or severe conditions - you fall back on a really poor level of service. With all that means. If you don't believe that, ask the next American you meet who is over 50 years old.
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13/01/2021 11:24:03 17 4
bbc
Wow, hats off to the frontline NHS staff yet again!

Going into the Covid wards looks like entering the war zone. The sacrifice and bravery of these people is just awesome.

Bravo!
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13/01/2021 10:45:15 43 3
bbc
Anyone who has sat with a loved one in their final hours in ICU can tell you its not like the movies, no peaceful closing of eyes, no gentle slipping away. It's brutal, I'm still having flashbacks nearly 20 years on.
I feel so much for the medical staff facing this day after day, they took up the profession to save lives not this.
Please do your bit to prevent the spread, its the least we can do
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13/01/2021 11:24:03 6 13
bbc
But the ICU covid patients who are dying are in induced comas, so surely for them it is fairly 'peaceful'? My doctor friend said the covid ward was eerily quiet because everyone was in medical comas. My understanding with the covid trauma talked about here is simply that there are so many deaths and that lots of the patients dying are relatively young and healthy.
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13/01/2021 11:36:43 5 1
bbc
Its the death rattles, that's what really got to me when saying bye to my gran.
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VoR
14/01/2021 11:59:39 0 0
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As someone who's spent a lot of time in (admittedly, children's) ICUs, often everyone is in a coma (in the wards for the most severe cases, because even ICUs are tiered). However, with Covid, I guess you don't have families/visitors etc. However, you would still have all the alarms going off; a lot of the time it's just that a sensor has come loose or something. But quiet will be relative.
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13/01/2021 11:16:18 14 1
bbc
The whole point is that nursing SHOULDN'T be like a war. Most of my family are health care staff. My dad's been an oncologist for 40 years (went back on the wards aged 71 during lockdown). He served as a TA medic in the Falklands and first Gulf so HAS seen war. He's withdrawn and drinking hard too.

What do YOU do that gives you the right to criticise? Claim furlough???
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13/01/2021 11:24:18 8 0
bbc
Quite, well said.
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13/01/2021 11:26:06 17 9
bbc
Please always be considerate to our precious NHS heroes.

i.e. don't treat them like they're an HYS poster
that chooses the alternative politics to your own
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JDB
13/01/2021 11:16:10 8 23
bbc
Really?.Traumatised, says who?..This is more irresponsible journalism.. My sister is a staff nurse at Ninewells Hospital in Dundee and she and many of her colleagues have been left doing little or nothing due to an empty hospital. Six wards and ICU set aside for Covid and only ICU and one other ward are busy, not full but busy. They have been threatened with disciplinary action if they discuss it.
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13/01/2021 11:26:20 1 6
bbc
No doubt due to sensible policies of Nicola Sturgeon and SNP!...
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13/01/2021 11:15:40 3 6
bbc
Lacking in compassion? Absolutely.

Offensive? Oh, not another one!
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13/01/2021 11:26:39 5 1
bbc
Not, not another one as you charmingly assert. It is offensive to suggest knowing better than, in this case, NHS staff, are not suffering PTSD. How would "Joe Public" know this?
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13/01/2021 11:29:18 2 9
bbc
If true to the extent being reported, it is a critical state of affairs, what happens after the pandemic, if there ever is an end, these mental health and other ailments are not going to disappear, what safeguards can the public expect in the future that some cracked up nurse, doctor, or surgeon, is not going to dispence harm instead of good.
In short we dont know it will be down to trust and luck
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13/01/2021 11:32:13 5 4
bbc
Now, that would require careful planning, resourcing and consideration.

What chance of that with the inept con artists of the Party of the Rich in charge?...
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13/01/2021 10:53:02 18 13
bbc
Ah, the infamous journalistic three word phrase "a study suggests".

Most studies suggest what their authors want them to. It doesn't mean they are based on fact.
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13/01/2021 11:29:55 11 3
bbc
You are very welcome to provide an alternative reliable study that suggests otherwise...
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13/01/2021 11:41:53 3 5
bbc
Whataboutery.
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13/01/2021 11:29:18 2 9
bbc
If true to the extent being reported, it is a critical state of affairs, what happens after the pandemic, if there ever is an end, these mental health and other ailments are not going to disappear, what safeguards can the public expect in the future that some cracked up nurse, doctor, or surgeon, is not going to dispence harm instead of good.
In short we dont know it will be down to trust and luck
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13/01/2021 11:32:13 5 4
bbc
Now, that would require careful planning, resourcing and consideration.

What chance of that with the inept con artists of the Party of the Rich in charge?...
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13/01/2021 10:45:03 31 14
bbc
Many people in many walks of life have suffered because of Covid. That is not to trivialize NHS workers experiences but maybe it would be helpful if the media focused on the struggles of other professionals occasionally ? Sometimes you would be mistaken for thinking that its only teachers and NHS staff who have felt the pressure.
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13/01/2021 11:29:24 10 19
bbc
Exactly. When you sign up as a health professional. something like this is always on the cards. A bit like when you join the army, there is always a possibility that you will be sent somewhere that there is a combat situation. I know the NHS is having a tough time at the moment, but in normal times, the terms of employment are pretty decent!
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13/01/2021 11:44:51 9 3
bbc
You obviously don't know many nurses or care workers then, they've been struggling for years on low pay and poor conditions.
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14/01/2021 07:55:51 0 0
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In case you hadn’t noticed, we’ve not had a health crisis of this level for generations. And if you think working in the NHS is some sort of luxury, I would like to know where you got that impression.
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VoR
14/01/2021 12:04:34 0 0
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You don't sign up to go so far above and beyond only to find that a large minority of the population are happy to continue to make the situation worse, at the expense of everyone.
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13/01/2021 11:32:57 5 8
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5***** NHS.
1* Government.
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13/01/2021 12:40:23 1 4
bbc
As it ever was and ever will be.
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13/01/2021 10:46:02 26 9
bbc
The NHS has been so poorly managed for years and years it's no good just feeling sorry for the hands-on staff at this time. They are doing their best, as usual. Management has been lacking for decades and so much money wasted. They are always in the poop every winter so a bit more this year has pushed them over the edge but it's not just this year alone. Beyond time for a shake-up.
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13/01/2021 11:30:40 8 6
bbc
Management in the NHS hasn't been lacking, the opposite in fact, there is just too much of it!
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13/01/2021 10:45:03 31 14
bbc
Many people in many walks of life have suffered because of Covid. That is not to trivialize NHS workers experiences but maybe it would be helpful if the media focused on the struggles of other professionals occasionally ? Sometimes you would be mistaken for thinking that its only teachers and NHS staff who have felt the pressure.
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13/01/2021 11:34:34 4 2
bbc
Well when we tried to argue for a pay rise for public sector workers such as police, firemen, hospital staff, teachers, civil servants etc we were shot down because how dare they get a 1% cost of living adjustment while dealing with COVID when the private sector wont get one (although im sure plenty of private companies will)

And then the Gov got a pay rise.
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13/01/2021 11:35:30 5 5
bbc
And wave 3 is still being dealt with. We are in for a mental health crisis in the UK once this is all over.
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13/01/2021 13:37:57 1 0
bbc
Like after WW1 + 2 . .
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13/01/2021 11:35:45 13 17
bbc
BBC. Running out of sensationalised stories to run so now this.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to start concentrating on some good news stories & seek those out instead of continually recycling this type of low-hanging fruit that, quite frankly, everyone's now heard enough of?

Our media really is trash.
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13/01/2021 11:43:34 13 10
bbc
So, you don't like bad news so you'd rather live in complete ignorance?

i think you dropped these rose tinted glasses
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13/01/2021 12:06:42 4 0
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This is a huge public interest story and public recognition of the trauma suffered in the NHS may be a positive thing for those who have suffered.
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13/01/2021 13:41:58 0 0
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No matter what article BBC enable for HYS there will always be vested interests putting down one of the greatest British institutions.

Suggest you try other categories if you are that desperate for good news. Or put rose-tinted glasses instead, like you did voting for Brexit.

Here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-55632050
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55624630
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13/01/2021 11:24:03 6 13
bbc
But the ICU covid patients who are dying are in induced comas, so surely for them it is fairly 'peaceful'? My doctor friend said the covid ward was eerily quiet because everyone was in medical comas. My understanding with the covid trauma talked about here is simply that there are so many deaths and that lots of the patients dying are relatively young and healthy.
36
13/01/2021 11:36:43 5 1
bbc
Its the death rattles, that's what really got to me when saying bye to my gran.
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JDB
13/01/2021 11:16:10 8 23
bbc
Really?.Traumatised, says who?..This is more irresponsible journalism.. My sister is a staff nurse at Ninewells Hospital in Dundee and she and many of her colleagues have been left doing little or nothing due to an empty hospital. Six wards and ICU set aside for Covid and only ICU and one other ward are busy, not full but busy. They have been threatened with disciplinary action if they discuss it.
37
13/01/2021 11:39:30 3 0
bbc
My cousin's daughter works in maternity there and what you've described isn't dissimilar to what she's been saying.
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QED
13/01/2021 12:07:27 3 1
bbc
Yes, non COVID areas will be very quiet at the moment, what do you expect! Covidiot. Just consider you are lucky if the hospital is not overwhelmed at the moment, and really really hope it stays that way.
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13/01/2021 13:42:20 0 0
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Has Covid reduced the number of births then ?

With lockdown starting in March I suspect your cousins daughter may see a pick up in work soon.
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13/01/2021 10:59:45 7 12
bbc
Those of us who understand and are obeying the rules are the often-maligned-on-HYS retired, responsible, experienced, older adults. I do feel for the medical staff, and I'm sure they sympathise with us, unable to see family for months on end. Nobody is thanking any of us for staying out of the NHS, not getting infected, not infecting anyone else. Acknowledgement of our sacrifice is non-existent.
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13/01/2021 11:40:39 0 1
bbc
Is this a troll post?
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13/01/2021 11:29:55 11 3
bbc
You are very welcome to provide an alternative reliable study that suggests otherwise...
39
13/01/2021 11:41:53 3 5
bbc
Whataboutery.
35
13/01/2021 11:35:45 13 17
bbc
BBC. Running out of sensationalised stories to run so now this.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to start concentrating on some good news stories & seek those out instead of continually recycling this type of low-hanging fruit that, quite frankly, everyone's now heard enough of?

Our media really is trash.
40
13/01/2021 11:43:34 13 10
bbc
So, you don't like bad news so you'd rather live in complete ignorance?

i think you dropped these rose tinted glasses
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13/01/2021 11:39:45 4 20
bbc
Perhaps a little of the stress and trauma could have been removed if Downing Street hadn't lied through its teeth about immunity and let those who had recovered from covid-19 work without PPE.

They would have been much more comfortable, and their colleagues would have seen a little light at the end of the tunnel.

But propaganda was more important than this little bit of help and hope.
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13/01/2021 11:55:39 14 1
bbc
Oh do stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense David, it's getting tiresome.
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13/01/2021 11:29:24 10 19
bbc
Exactly. When you sign up as a health professional. something like this is always on the cards. A bit like when you join the army, there is always a possibility that you will be sent somewhere that there is a combat situation. I know the NHS is having a tough time at the moment, but in normal times, the terms of employment are pretty decent!
42
13/01/2021 11:44:51 9 3
bbc
You obviously don't know many nurses or care workers then, they've been struggling for years on low pay and poor conditions.
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13/01/2021 11:47:27 5 6
bbc
I know lots of people who work for the NHS! Including close friends and ex partners. So I know exactly what NHS employment looks like!
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13/01/2021 11:44:51 9 3
bbc
You obviously don't know many nurses or care workers then, they've been struggling for years on low pay and poor conditions.
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13/01/2021 11:47:27 5 6
bbc
I know lots of people who work for the NHS! Including close friends and ex partners. So I know exactly what NHS employment looks like!
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13/01/2021 12:03:02 10 2
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So do I, and i know lots of people who are nurses and I have never heard one of them say that Nurses have great working conditions normally.
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13/01/2021 14:51:02 2 1
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i think not
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13/01/2021 11:39:45 4 20
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Perhaps a little of the stress and trauma could have been removed if Downing Street hadn't lied through its teeth about immunity and let those who had recovered from covid-19 work without PPE.

They would have been much more comfortable, and their colleagues would have seen a little light at the end of the tunnel.

But propaganda was more important than this little bit of help and hope.
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13/01/2021 11:55:39 14 1
bbc
Oh do stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense David, it's getting tiresome.
Oh do stop being a cretin David, its getting tiresome. Removed
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13/01/2021 13:36:22 0 1
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Ah, so Party of the Rich government being utterly incompetent is classed as conspiracy theory now?.....
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13/01/2021 14:04:58 2 1
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What's tiresome is people like you getting upset when they hear FACTS that they don't like!

Numerous peer reviewed studies have now shown what most of us with biology 101 knew from the start. Those, even asymptomatic, recovered from covid-19 are immune and can't catch or spread it.

Or are you going to maintain that full PPE isn't very uncomfortable to work in.

Where's the conspiracy?
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13/01/2021 12:02:55 10 9
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Here we go again BBC and media worshipping at the alter of the NHS
My brother was fireman for 35 years and saw horrific car crashes, fires, explosions, people run over yet can't recall anyone asking how they felt mentally
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13/01/2021 12:19:29 13 5
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So by your logic because he was not asked no one should be? What a way to live your life.
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13/01/2021 13:28:19 2 0
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lol so because his mental health treatment was shocking others should be too? sure. that makes all sorts of sense. I am suffering so others should too.
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14/01/2021 08:04:42 0 0
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That’s a failure of his employer, not a reason to denigrate anyone else going through similar circumstances. The truth is that trauma across all the emergency services has been poorly addressed and quite often the attitude is that it’s the individual’s fault, rather than a systemic lack of adequate support.
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13/01/2021 11:47:27 5 6
bbc
I know lots of people who work for the NHS! Including close friends and ex partners. So I know exactly what NHS employment looks like!
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13/01/2021 12:03:02 10 2
bbc
So do I, and i know lots of people who are nurses and I have never heard one of them say that Nurses have great working conditions normally.
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13/01/2021 11:55:39 14 1
bbc
Oh do stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense David, it's getting tiresome.
Oh do stop being a cretin David, its getting tiresome. Removed
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JDB
13/01/2021 11:16:10 8 23
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Really?.Traumatised, says who?..This is more irresponsible journalism.. My sister is a staff nurse at Ninewells Hospital in Dundee and she and many of her colleagues have been left doing little or nothing due to an empty hospital. Six wards and ICU set aside for Covid and only ICU and one other ward are busy, not full but busy. They have been threatened with disciplinary action if they discuss it.
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13/01/2021 12:05:20 0 3
bbc
Good for you rebalancing the truth about what is actually happening
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13/01/2021 12:06:09 4 7
bbc
I'm sure the government will reward NHS will a below-inflation wage rise
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13/01/2021 12:17:52 2 5
bbc
No pay rise more like as you will have the great general public saying they've not had a rise why should they.
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13/01/2021 12:48:52 0 3
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Quite right too. They are very very well paid already with safe employers and good benefits. Less of the pathetic public emoting, that has become a modern game to outdo each other.
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13/01/2021 11:35:45 13 17
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BBC. Running out of sensationalised stories to run so now this.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to start concentrating on some good news stories & seek those out instead of continually recycling this type of low-hanging fruit that, quite frankly, everyone's now heard enough of?

Our media really is trash.
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13/01/2021 12:06:42 4 0
bbc
This is a huge public interest story and public recognition of the trauma suffered in the NHS may be a positive thing for those who have suffered.
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13/01/2021 11:39:30 3 0
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My cousin's daughter works in maternity there and what you've described isn't dissimilar to what she's been saying.
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QED
13/01/2021 12:07:27 3 1
bbc
Yes, non COVID areas will be very quiet at the moment, what do you expect! Covidiot. Just consider you are lucky if the hospital is not overwhelmed at the moment, and really really hope it stays that way.
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13/01/2021 12:16:21 12 4
bbc
What a pathetic post the highest rated one is, show me one group who have had to deal with more than the Doctors, Nurses etc. putting themselves in harm's way. Not only do they have to deal with it in their personal life but also in there working life. What have you done? Probably not a lot.
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13/01/2021 12:00:34 26 4
bbc
The nhs is doing a great job, no matter what some nutters say on here.
The country salutes all of you
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13/01/2021 14:29:56 6 1
bbc
Can't believe some people have voted this down. Our NHS does an amazing job despite the appalling short term cost cutting decisions taken by successive Tory and Labour governments.

I am aware of some instances where NHS services are dangerously rubbish but these are all in private ownership with my own NHS GP surgery owned by a Group Practice which is ultimately owned by a USA company.
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13/01/2021 12:06:09 4 7
bbc
I'm sure the government will reward NHS will a below-inflation wage rise
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13/01/2021 12:17:52 2 5
bbc
No pay rise more like as you will have the great general public saying they've not had a rise why should they.
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13/01/2021 12:02:55 10 9
bbc
Here we go again BBC and media worshipping at the alter of the NHS
My brother was fireman for 35 years and saw horrific car crashes, fires, explosions, people run over yet can't recall anyone asking how they felt mentally
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13/01/2021 12:19:29 13 5
bbc
So by your logic because he was not asked no one should be? What a way to live your life.
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13/01/2021 11:15:40 3 6
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Lacking in compassion? Absolutely.

Offensive? Oh, not another one!
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13/01/2021 12:28:32 0 0
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It is absolutely offensive, "C what trauma is" clearly suggests that the NHS are not experiencing what Copper995 considers to be trauma.

Your idiotic devaluation of the reporting of trauma suffered by NHS staff, that clearly doesn't fit your agenda, is an unfortunate symptom of the populisim that has swept the UK.
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13/01/2021 12:32:14 15 1
bbc
Sat with my dad 30 years ago who died of emphysema (COPD).
Believe me it's not like they just slip away quietly they don't .
Death comes in many forms I'm afraid.
The NHS sees it all.
Just be thankful they are there when we need them,I was.
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13/01/2021 12:03:02 10 2
bbc
So do I, and i know lots of people who are nurses and I have never heard one of them say that Nurses have great working conditions normally.
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13/01/2021 12:37:56 5 7
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I thought that any health worker in the process of being hired would be tested for major stressed situation dealing with death and danger. Doctors certainly do.
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13/01/2021 13:10:04 4 0
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Tested and reality are surely two different things? There has never been a situation where you had to tell many people their lives ones had died over the phone,,because they were not allowed to be with them. How and again, perhaps, but not all the time. I think you should show a little compassion for those who take up a caring job that will NOT earn them mega salaries (Doctors certainly don't!)
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13/01/2021 13:26:11 2 0
bbc
are you so blind to what is going on not to see that this situation is far from normal for health workers? they are facing incredibly difficult situations, handling more patients than they should do, working extremely long hours (40+), having to tell people their loved one has died but they can't come and see them, having to take the part of family in assisting in end of life care.
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13/01/2021 13:36:38 1 0
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bs
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13/01/2021 11:32:57 5 8
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5***** NHS.
1* Government.
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13/01/2021 12:40:23 1 4
bbc
As it ever was and ever will be.
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13/01/2021 12:46:50 5 12
bbc
Just nonsense the game playing. Silly ‘studies' self justifying their waste of time and money jobs. Bothered by people dying and working in healthcare, you are in the wrong job.
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13/01/2021 13:24:58 3 0
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they are facing incredibly difficult situations, handling more patients than they should do, working extremely long hours, having to tell people their loved one has died but they can't come and see them, having to take the part of family in assisting in end of life care. if you think it's so easy why don't you do it? it not sit down and shut up because you're clearly clueless.
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13/01/2021 14:45:57 3 0
bbc
yes much better to have people who aren't bothered by people dying working in healthcare .......... really? get a grip on yourself
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ts
13/01/2021 22:38:00 0 0
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We are not after hero worship. We get on with our jobs and support each other the best we can. We look after people -real people with families who love them-who cannot see them. I can’t possibly expect someone like you to understand this. What do/did you do for a living? It is called “caring “-a concept you will never even remotely comprehend.
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13/01/2021 12:47:47 5 6
bbc
'traumatised'

I think its safe to say, we all are in some way.
Madness is key.
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14/01/2021 05:57:15 0 0
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Many have been traumatised on here but they dont know it.
Some get angry because someone else has a different view. They then become weird and do a thumbs down so as to say "look how powerful I am"
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13/01/2021 12:06:09 4 7
bbc
I'm sure the government will reward NHS will a below-inflation wage rise
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13/01/2021 12:48:52 0 3
bbc
Quite right too. They are very very well paid already with safe employers and good benefits. Less of the pathetic public emoting, that has become a modern game to outdo each other.
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13/01/2021 10:45:15 43 3
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Anyone who has sat with a loved one in their final hours in ICU can tell you its not like the movies, no peaceful closing of eyes, no gentle slipping away. It's brutal, I'm still having flashbacks nearly 20 years on.
I feel so much for the medical staff facing this day after day, they took up the profession to save lives not this.
Please do your bit to prevent the spread, its the least we can do
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13/01/2021 12:49:12 3 0
bbc
Quite correct Well, its not like the movies.
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13/01/2021 12:37:56 5 7
bbc
I thought that any health worker in the process of being hired would be tested for major stressed situation dealing with death and danger. Doctors certainly do.
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13/01/2021 13:10:04 4 0
bbc
Tested and reality are surely two different things? There has never been a situation where you had to tell many people their lives ones had died over the phone,,because they were not allowed to be with them. How and again, perhaps, but not all the time. I think you should show a little compassion for those who take up a caring job that will NOT earn them mega salaries (Doctors certainly don't!)
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13/01/2021 11:18:32 6 8
bbc
They should also survey working parents who now have to home school.
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13/01/2021 13:12:10 1 2
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Pathetic
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13/01/2021 13:14:10 4 14
bbc
If doctors and nurses are getting PTSD from treating people with a respiratory illness, they're in the wrong profession. Full stop.

This has got Union compensation claim written all over it.
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13/01/2021 13:24:46 7 0
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they are facing incredibly difficult situations, handling more patients than they should do, working extremely long hours, having to tell people their loved one has died but they can't come and see them, having to take the part of family in assisting in end of life care. if you think it's so easy why don't you do it? it not sit down and shut up because you're clearly clueless.
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13/01/2021 13:31:01 0 1
bbc
Yeah, I think we should claim compensation from all those furloughed workers too.

I mean, such a bunch of scroungers!....
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13/01/2021 14:12:33 3 0
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Troll
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13/01/2021 13:15:28 12 0
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When working (currently redundant), I give to a charity of the year through PAYE.

My next charity will be the Royal College of Nursing hardship fund, who will be supporting those struggling to cope after Covid is under control.

Too much is being asked of some NhS staff and they will need our support if we don't want them to leave the NHS in their droves.
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13/01/2021 13:31:57 2 4
bbc
Careful not to absolve the govt. of action, ho ho - bar wrecking the NHS.
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13/01/2021 13:14:10 4 14
bbc
If doctors and nurses are getting PTSD from treating people with a respiratory illness, they're in the wrong profession. Full stop.

This has got Union compensation claim written all over it.
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13/01/2021 13:24:46 7 0
bbc
they are facing incredibly difficult situations, handling more patients than they should do, working extremely long hours, having to tell people their loved one has died but they can't come and see them, having to take the part of family in assisting in end of life care. if you think it's so easy why don't you do it? it not sit down and shut up because you're clearly clueless.
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13/01/2021 13:43:31 2 0
bbc
Top response.
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13/01/2021 12:46:50 5 12
bbc
Just nonsense the game playing. Silly ‘studies' self justifying their waste of time and money jobs. Bothered by people dying and working in healthcare, you are in the wrong job.
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13/01/2021 13:24:58 3 0
bbc
they are facing incredibly difficult situations, handling more patients than they should do, working extremely long hours, having to tell people their loved one has died but they can't come and see them, having to take the part of family in assisting in end of life care. if you think it's so easy why don't you do it? it not sit down and shut up because you're clearly clueless.
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13/01/2021 13:25:32 3 0
bbc
I have no wish to see anyone suffer from mental health issues and health workers on the frontline should be helped. Let’s try not to go down the road of compensation and years of bungling. Frontline treat them fairly but let’s be wary of all those that claim a problem who aren’t frontline.
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13/01/2021 12:37:56 5 7
bbc
I thought that any health worker in the process of being hired would be tested for major stressed situation dealing with death and danger. Doctors certainly do.
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13/01/2021 13:26:11 2 0
bbc
are you so blind to what is going on not to see that this situation is far from normal for health workers? they are facing incredibly difficult situations, handling more patients than they should do, working extremely long hours (40+), having to tell people their loved one has died but they can't come and see them, having to take the part of family in assisting in end of life care.
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13/01/2021 12:02:55 10 9
bbc
Here we go again BBC and media worshipping at the alter of the NHS
My brother was fireman for 35 years and saw horrific car crashes, fires, explosions, people run over yet can't recall anyone asking how they felt mentally
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13/01/2021 13:28:19 2 0
bbc
lol so because his mental health treatment was shocking others should be too? sure. that makes all sorts of sense. I am suffering so others should too.
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13/01/2021 13:30:16 4 6
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And a decade of vindictive tory "austerity" before this.

The cons are happy to sell-off British Healthcare.

Nothing should surprise you.
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13/01/2021 13:14:10 4 14
bbc
If doctors and nurses are getting PTSD from treating people with a respiratory illness, they're in the wrong profession. Full stop.

This has got Union compensation claim written all over it.
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13/01/2021 13:31:01 0 1
bbc
Yeah, I think we should claim compensation from all those furloughed workers too.

I mean, such a bunch of scroungers!....
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13/01/2021 13:15:28 12 0
bbc
When working (currently redundant), I give to a charity of the year through PAYE.

My next charity will be the Royal College of Nursing hardship fund, who will be supporting those struggling to cope after Covid is under control.

Too much is being asked of some NhS staff and they will need our support if we don't want them to leave the NHS in their droves.
76
13/01/2021 13:31:57 2 4
bbc
Careful not to absolve the govt. of action, ho ho - bar wrecking the NHS.
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13/01/2021 13:58:54 4 0
bbc
I don't absolve the govt of anything, but I recognise that people are surviving or at least having an easier death, because healthcare workers are putting their own wellbeing on the line.

Their selflessness deserves my support.
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13/01/2021 10:53:02 18 13
bbc
Ah, the infamous journalistic three word phrase "a study suggests".

Most studies suggest what their authors want them to. It doesn't mean they are based on fact.
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13/01/2021 13:36:04 0 1
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what a lovely tory.
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13/01/2021 11:55:39 14 1
bbc
Oh do stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense David, it's getting tiresome.
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13/01/2021 13:36:22 0 1
bbc
Ah, so Party of the Rich government being utterly incompetent is classed as conspiracy theory now?.....
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13/01/2021 14:03:45 1 1
bbc
Implying that the Government has lied about immunity and suggesting that having COVID means you no longer need PPE is absolutely conspiracy nonsense. Dangerous nonsense that risks lives if people believe it.
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13/01/2021 12:37:56 5 7
bbc
I thought that any health worker in the process of being hired would be tested for major stressed situation dealing with death and danger. Doctors certainly do.
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13/01/2021 13:36:38 1 0
bbc
bs
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13/01/2021 11:35:30 5 5
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And wave 3 is still being dealt with. We are in for a mental health crisis in the UK once this is all over.
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13/01/2021 13:37:57 1 0
bbc
Like after WW1 + 2 . .
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13/01/2021 13:40:12 6 2
bbc
The trouble with this kind of survey is, that individuals feeling strong negative emotions are more likely to complete the survey. The colleagues who are coping more effectively (the majority, one hopes) are more likely to look at the survey and say to themselves: "I've got loads of patients to see so I need to crack on, I haven't time to be fannying around around with surveys".
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14/01/2021 09:55:25 0 0
bbc
The suicide rate has been increasing in this profession since before covid
The survey is small, fair enough
There’s a huge difference between ‘strong negative emotions’ & PTSD
Mental health services have been stripped, & won’t work properly until they are out of that situation
They can’t move through trauma while still facing traumatic situations, only can be aided
Autopilot at the moment
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14/01/2021 10:08:24 0 0
bbc
Please just don’t be critical of things like these
It undermines the sorrow in the root cause as nothing, they should be offered full support and the time for those appointments alongside their hours
Some may not need it, but some already did before this, its a balance that needs to be on the table as an option, long term
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13/01/2021 11:35:45 13 17
bbc
BBC. Running out of sensationalised stories to run so now this.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to start concentrating on some good news stories & seek those out instead of continually recycling this type of low-hanging fruit that, quite frankly, everyone's now heard enough of?

Our media really is trash.
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13/01/2021 13:41:58 0 0
bbc
No matter what article BBC enable for HYS there will always be vested interests putting down one of the greatest British institutions.

Suggest you try other categories if you are that desperate for good news. Or put rose-tinted glasses instead, like you did voting for Brexit.

Here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-55632050
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55624630
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13/01/2021 11:39:30 3 0
bbc
My cousin's daughter works in maternity there and what you've described isn't dissimilar to what she's been saying.
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13/01/2021 13:42:20 0 0
bbc
Has Covid reduced the number of births then ?

With lockdown starting in March I suspect your cousins daughter may see a pick up in work soon.
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13/01/2021 13:24:46 7 0
bbc
they are facing incredibly difficult situations, handling more patients than they should do, working extremely long hours, having to tell people their loved one has died but they can't come and see them, having to take the part of family in assisting in end of life care. if you think it's so easy why don't you do it? it not sit down and shut up because you're clearly clueless.
84
13/01/2021 13:43:31 2 0
bbc
Top response.
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13/01/2021 11:20:01 12 1
bbc
WHAT?? You want people risking their lives, working through lockdown paying the taxes that pay your pension to thank you for not getting sick?

I've worked through lockdown. I make vaccines but helped in the first lockdown with pressurised gas deliveries to the local hospital. I paid my taxes, didn't claim furlough and also didn't get sick. Maybe I should get an oscar or a Nobel prize or something
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13/01/2021 13:44:48 0 0
bbc
Done similar here Peter, with zero thanks but I wasnt expecting any.
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13/01/2021 13:51:37 1 9
bbc
This is the 5th columnist in action, COVID is the vector to bring the NHS to its knees ready for Boris and his gang to sell on to American health care companies as a price of a trade deal.
They will tell us they have come in to help!
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13/01/2021 13:56:04 2 2
bbc
The NHS is not going to be sold to the biggest terrorist organization in the world. Not only that, we are not going to sign a trade deal with them either.
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13/01/2021 13:53:01 0 2
bbc
I'm hoping that the vaccine rollout will soon have a significant effect on hospitalizations and reduce pressure on the NHS. We are very fortunate to have the Oxford vaccine. We just need to get it into people's arms as fast as possible.
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13/01/2021 13:51:37 1 9
bbc
This is the 5th columnist in action, COVID is the vector to bring the NHS to its knees ready for Boris and his gang to sell on to American health care companies as a price of a trade deal.
They will tell us they have come in to help!
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13/01/2021 13:56:04 2 2
bbc
The NHS is not going to be sold to the biggest terrorist organization in the world. Not only that, we are not going to sign a trade deal with them either.
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13/01/2021 15:36:44 1 1
bbc
You seem to be confusing the US with the CCP.
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13/01/2021 13:31:57 2 4
bbc
Careful not to absolve the govt. of action, ho ho - bar wrecking the NHS.
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13/01/2021 13:58:54 4 0
bbc
I don't absolve the govt of anything, but I recognise that people are surviving or at least having an easier death, because healthcare workers are putting their own wellbeing on the line.

Their selflessness deserves my support.
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13/01/2021 16:58:05 1 0
bbc
Yes they do deserve my support. I'd prefer the government to use my taxes on the people who matter, and not on more weapons and HS2
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13/01/2021 14:01:09 1 0
bbc
The NHS is about to discover a mountain of its own staff suffering from chronic fatigue syndrome and adrenal dysfunction ... of course the NHS will either have to admit these conditions exist or state most of its staff are simply faking it like 1000's of NHS patients are made to believe every year.
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13/01/2021 16:52:53 0 0
bbc
In case you are really interested in post viral issues/long COVID …..

https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_uS-bNfhdSVmzGwB0s-7U9w
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13/01/2021 13:36:22 0 1
bbc
Ah, so Party of the Rich government being utterly incompetent is classed as conspiracy theory now?.....
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13/01/2021 14:03:45 1 1
bbc
Implying that the Government has lied about immunity and suggesting that having COVID means you no longer need PPE is absolutely conspiracy nonsense. Dangerous nonsense that risks lives if people believe it.
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13/01/2021 14:24:15 0 1
bbc
You obviously are completely clueless about what immunity means. But that's fine. Hancock loves people like you. No doubt you believe that all those peer reviewed articles are packed with lies.

Yes, the government lied about immunity, and is still lying, because a "one size fits all" approach is much simpler for such simple minded and incompetent ministers.
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13/01/2021 11:55:39 14 1
bbc
Oh do stop with the conspiracy theory nonsense David, it's getting tiresome.
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13/01/2021 14:04:58 2 1
bbc
What's tiresome is people like you getting upset when they hear FACTS that they don't like!

Numerous peer reviewed studies have now shown what most of us with biology 101 knew from the start. Those, even asymptomatic, recovered from covid-19 are immune and can't catch or spread it.

Or are you going to maintain that full PPE isn't very uncomfortable to work in.

Where's the conspiracy?
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13/01/2021 13:14:10 4 14
bbc
If doctors and nurses are getting PTSD from treating people with a respiratory illness, they're in the wrong profession. Full stop.

This has got Union compensation claim written all over it.
93
13/01/2021 14:12:33 3 0
bbc
Troll
91
13/01/2021 14:03:45 1 1
bbc
Implying that the Government has lied about immunity and suggesting that having COVID means you no longer need PPE is absolutely conspiracy nonsense. Dangerous nonsense that risks lives if people believe it.
94
13/01/2021 14:24:15 0 1
bbc
You obviously are completely clueless about what immunity means. But that's fine. Hancock loves people like you. No doubt you believe that all those peer reviewed articles are packed with lies.

Yes, the government lied about immunity, and is still lying, because a "one size fits all" approach is much simpler for such simple minded and incompetent ministers.
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13/01/2021 15:39:48 0 0
bbc
Ah David, it would be funny if it wasn't so serious. Thankfully, judging by the up/down votes on our original comments, everyone can see you for a charlatan.

I'm curious, what are your qualifications that allow you to lecture me on immunity and virology (other than writing FACTS in capitals)?

FYI I have a doctorate in virology and 20 years' experience including, recently, COVID-19 research.
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13/01/2021 12:00:34 26 4
bbc
The nhs is doing a great job, no matter what some nutters say on here.
The country salutes all of you
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13/01/2021 14:29:56 6 1
bbc
Can't believe some people have voted this down. Our NHS does an amazing job despite the appalling short term cost cutting decisions taken by successive Tory and Labour governments.

I am aware of some instances where NHS services are dangerously rubbish but these are all in private ownership with my own NHS GP surgery owned by a Group Practice which is ultimately owned by a USA company.
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VoR
14/01/2021 12:03:12 0 0
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At the same time, I'm aware (though senior NHS staff I know) that there are problems with the non-privatised element too. e.g. Staff refusing to come in when on call after having taken money for years of being on call without being called in, with expensive/bad results (e.g. £3m of drugs rendered ineffective). Then no punishment besides not being allowed to be on call again. Lots of examples.
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13/01/2021 12:46:50 5 12
bbc
Just nonsense the game playing. Silly ‘studies' self justifying their waste of time and money jobs. Bothered by people dying and working in healthcare, you are in the wrong job.
96
13/01/2021 14:45:57 3 0
bbc
yes much better to have people who aren't bothered by people dying working in healthcare .......... really? get a grip on yourself
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13/01/2021 11:47:27 5 6
bbc
I know lots of people who work for the NHS! Including close friends and ex partners. So I know exactly what NHS employment looks like!
97
13/01/2021 14:51:02 2 1
bbc
i think not
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13/01/2021 15:21:31 0 2
bbc
Think what you like, I don't care. Pay freeze coming up for the public sector. :-)
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13/01/2021 14:58:27 1 2
bbc
And yet again another "still picture" showing "1 person" in a bed. Come on BBC... why don't you send a reporting into an ICU wards and doing a "video" and show us all these patients in the ward with COVID on ventilators?
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13/01/2021 15:32:03 7 0
bbc
If you are trying to imply that the Covid news is fake
1) You do not want video footage of people dying, that is REALLY not good for moral
2) The whole "Didn't see it, didn't happen" culture is the ethos of flat-earthers, Trump supporters, climate change deniers and Q-anon conspiracists. Its the KEY PROBLEM in this decade.
You are a fanny Removed
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13/01/2021 14:51:02 2 1
bbc
i think not
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13/01/2021 15:21:31 0 2
bbc
Think what you like, I don't care. Pay freeze coming up for the public sector. :-)
107
13/01/2021 16:26:49 2 0
bbc
You've just shown your colours, smiling at nurses getting a real time paycut. I think Nicky was right, you don't know a single person in the NHS if you have that attitude
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13/01/2021 18:38:35 2 0
bbc
You're offensively thick!
98
13/01/2021 14:58:27 1 2
bbc
And yet again another "still picture" showing "1 person" in a bed. Come on BBC... why don't you send a reporting into an ICU wards and doing a "video" and show us all these patients in the ward with COVID on ventilators?
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If you are trying to imply that the Covid news is fake
1) You do not want video footage of people dying, that is REALLY not good for moral
2) The whole "Didn't see it, didn't happen" culture is the ethos of flat-earthers, Trump supporters, climate change deniers and Q-anon conspiracists. Its the KEY PROBLEM in this decade.