Covid: Protect family incomes, Starmer urges ministers
11/01/2021 | news | politics | 3,629
The Labour leader calls for tougher coronavirus restrictions and says help for low earners must continue.
Our bin collection has just been cut. Can anyone tell me how this equates to a
5% increase in council tax.
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other social services may we have increased.
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Where do you live?
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Has it been cut or reduced to improve recycling rates to help the environment?
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bin men are paid well...unions don't let east europeans take the jobs
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Because Boris spaffed the rest of your tax income up the wall on a test and trace system and on contracts for his and tory mates
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Don't post RUBBISH (pun intended) over the next 15 years the average council will be spending about 60 per cent of its income on social care and the background to this is that the average council has only 50 per cent of the income it had ten years ago (austerity) think before you post tat please
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11/01/2021 10:57:04 4 4
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Simply because the government have once again reduced the amount of money they give back to local councils. The usual mantra is make efficiency savings. Of course once you have done that you have no where to go. However, we wouldn’t want the rich boys suffering from tax hikes which is the way it should be done.
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Your council tax is paying for the people with no shame on benefits and furlough sucking the system dry
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You're lucky you don't live in Croydon (south London) where the loonie left council has squandered millions on mismanagment, vanity projects etc. Labour love a handout that someone else has to pay for!
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11/01/2021 11:38:33 0 1
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Indirect, non means tested tax by Central government on the British public.
Reduce funding to local councils forcing increased council taxes.
These hit those on lower incomes particularly hard, those with zero wage increases these years.
Any on a 'Index linked' pension will look forwards to a 0.5% increase in April (CPI last September).
Triple lock will see state pensions fare better, unlikely 5%.
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easy to say a lot when you are not in power kier.
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So don't blame the Labour Party for the Tory catastrophe we are currently living under.
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11/01/2021 10:35:17 31 13
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Maybe it its, but it is the official oppositions job to scrutinize the Government and to hold them to account - Otherwise it just becomes a rubber stamp parliament.
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I think we can all take some comfort from knowing that at least he means what he says. He won't being saying the complete opposite tomorrow, unlike certain cabinet members one could name.
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11/01/2021 11:22:48 10 4
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It's easy to say it when the Tories are in power. Incompetent doesn't scratch the surface of this Cabinet.
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11/01/2021 11:48:10 4 2
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I'd also like if he did not have to say anything, but there we are. Rubbish leadership needs rubbishing in public.
11/01/2021 13:56:45 1 1
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Everyone can have their say. You’ve just had yours.
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Unfortunately the country cannot afford to give pay rises.

There should be a freeze on all salaries and pensions for at least this year- (sorry but has to be done!)

Failing to do this is only going to prolong the pain for all.
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The country does not give pay rises.
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11/01/2021 10:39:44 9 4
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There's been effective pay freezes or "restraint" for nearly 13 years. It can't go on, give folk a bit more, and they'll spend a bit more. Businesses need people to spend money to aid in the recovery.
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No shortage of money, it is just sitting in the pockets of the rich.
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You do have to be careful with this blanket thinking though, as the UK GDP is more heavily based on household spending in comparison to other European countries (due to our relatively low tax rates and smaller state), so a pay freeze is also a GDP growth inhibitor, finding a balance for sustainable pay growth is correct though.
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11/01/2021 12:33:52 1 0
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So you want government control of private sectir pay. How ?
11/01/2021 13:39:54 1 1
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Cool. I'll be adjusting the amount of work I do too. Can't expect me to work flat out like I have been, and not give me a pay rise. Think 5% less work this year will do it. For starters.
11/01/2021 14:25:14 2 0
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I totally disagree, inflation will reduce our national debt as debt is non inflationary

For example, look how much it cost to build things in the 60s. And now look at the price of the equivalent build today.

To freeze everything means we never pay it off. Simples
11/01/2021 15:30:45 0 0
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Tough.

I am getting a pay rise.. because my business has earned it.
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With inflation at 0.6%, why are there reports that Council Tax may increase by up to 5%?
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Because a very substantial proportion of all council tax goes to pay existing and future pension liabilities. The only way such rises could be justified is if everything, and I really mean everything, has been done to reduce waste, inefficiency and unnecessary services. That latter category would include a sizeable number of existing operations.
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Because Council Pensions and pay-rises won't fund themselves.
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11/01/2021 10:42:54 24 5
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So the Tories can avoid being seen as the party who raise general taxation so they starve local authorities of funding and allow them to raise council tax to try and make up the shortfall -
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11/01/2021 10:59:53 12 7
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Council employees pay pension contributions, unlike central govt pensions local govt pensions have assets and have to fund pensions from those, the ignorance on local govt pensions is normal, this years local govt pension rise is 0.5%.
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About 66% of my council tax goes towards Adult Social care, vulnerable adult and child care.

The Council Tax is increasing by up to 5% because caring is growing faster than inflation.
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Because a decade of Central underfunding had been exposed by Covid.
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To help spending on painting streets with rubbish "art".
11/01/2021 11:58:11 0 3
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The government are unfortunately allowing Council Tax to rise by up to 5%. Larger increase have to be approved by a local referendum, which councils wish to avoid. My local council puts up Council Tax by the maximum amount permitted every year.

I am sure they will do the same this year. They are aways complaining that the wicked government does not give them enough money.
11/01/2021 12:00:15 0 2
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Because they need to pay for the pandemic. Simple
11/01/2021 12:10:02 1 3
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3% is ring fenced to cover social care costs expansion. Something Stamer has also been bleating on about. Does he want those costs covered from local budgets (council tax) or central budgets (income tax)? Would be good to hear from him on that instead or tumbleweed as usual.
11/01/2021 12:37:46 0 0
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Partly to compensate for the people who won't pay their Council Tax. Many cities have millions of pounds owed to them by non-payers.
11/01/2021 16:23:44 0 0
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Because councils cannot control their spending & they spend it on daft things.....oh and there are too many roles that are not needed at all......and the senior people are paid way way too much.
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11/01/2021 10:27:18 17 26
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Sunak has protected some jobs but not others, so some people have had to work and have spread the virus.

He only did half a job.

Result is huge debt and a virus out of control.
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We desperately need a strong opposition but Starmer does not seem to resonate with the general public, think he struggling with supporting the government at this time and scared of being too critical, fine balance.
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he's too negative, would be nice to see someone oozing positivity and with ideas and vision. Starmer is just the bloke in the corner of the meeting who disagrees with everyone but has nothing to add
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The private sector won't be getting a pay rise in most cases, so unfortunately I don't think we should expect any different for the public sector.
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Darn, what a pity the private sector didn't get the memo for this same thing back in 2008, where they continued to throw out lavish wages and bonuses to those at the top of the tree.
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My mate works at a power station and gets at least 4.5% increase each year and a bonus.
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It is not a battle between public and private sector - it is , as always, a battle between the rich and the rest.
Yes let's keep the division going eh.

I suppose we're all 'leavers' now, so we can't use that one?

Good old private v public sector is the obvious one to continue with.

Don't forget young v old, north v south, employed v unemployed, covid robots v covid rebels (got to be extremes), racists v do gooders (see previous), oh nearly forgot left v right.

Did I forget any?
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The Private Sector has not had 10 years plus of 0% (not a single extra penny) pay cuts whilst the private sector was regularly awarding 3-5% rises.

Many PS workers have seen the value of their wages fall by 20-30% and now struggle to afford transport to work. And no, it is not just in the 'North'. Many of the worst hit employees are in the south, where living costs are substantially higher.
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The Private Sector has had 10 years plus of 0% (not a single extra penny) pay cuts whilst the private sector was regularly awarding 3-5% rises.

Many PS workers have seen the value of their wages fall by 20-30% and now struggle to afford transport to work. And no, it is not just in the 'North'. Many of the worst hit employees are in the south, where living costs are substantially higher.
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The private sector only work to minimum standards, often falling below what is acceptable. The public sector is expected to consistently exceed minimum standards. It is highly regulated with consequences for individual employees. Only ever compare like with like.
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A what?
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11/01/2021 11:17:15 6 8
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The private sector? That's a very general sector. Pharma companies are doing great, Amazon, Tesla also doing well, I gather supermarkets have had a fine year too. Whether these are uk or not it doesn't matter. Sounds like the private sector, as you call it is doing awesome and if uk companies are not, they should be.
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Really, most large companies are giving pay rises.
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11/01/2021 11:22:14 10 3
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Actually the average pay rise for the UK private sector is 2.4%, for those fortunate to be in work, and with remote working, some businesses in the UK are increasing outsourcing work abroad rather than hire skilled and/or experienced Brits.
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11/01/2021 11:28:53 7 2
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Realistically we must all be resigned to huge increases in taxation. Brutal reality.
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In real terms the emergency so far has cost each family in UK £25,000. £400bn.
11/01/2021 11:59:08 4 5
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Yes those greedy nurses, police, fire, waste collector's, hospital porters. Got it easy haven't they. Not like their counterparts in the private sector. Honestly some people love to be gullible and easily led
11/01/2021 12:20:35 6 4
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Most of the public sector has worked through covid, creating the income being used to pay the furlough of all these private sector employees. It's only fair we get something back given we've been funding your time off. Stop moaning.
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MPs had to cancel their last lot due to public anger :)
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"... where over four million children grow up in poverty."
Is that Playstation poverty? Or are there 4m children starving to death because their parents need a 65" TV, a Sky subscription, and the latest mobile phone before food?
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You are right.
No more benefits until we see starving children dying in the streets of England.
The unemployed should be forced to work in the fields for their benefits like in Alabama and they can take their kids with them.
No more free lunches.
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spot on post,according to the stats i live in poverty.yet here i am on a computer.
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Daily Mail muppetry at its finest.
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Correct. Absolute poverty has been continually falling globally. The UK has a functioning social benefit system, free education & free NHS. This is not poverty, which is why Left wing politicians 'make up' a new definition & call it 'Relative Poverty' instead...
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The problem is the huge slice of the cake consumed by the rich, not the crumbs eaten by the poor.
Well said Adolf. Removed
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People like you are why public discourse has disintegrated to this rubbish because; based on no information you make a massive assumption on what is being reported on even though you obviously havent read the article. And people will listen to this and take the opposite side of the argument based on an assumption... People like you is why social media needs regulating
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Honestly if you think that is the kind of poverty his is talking about, you need to visit some sink estates outside the big cities. Things are not as rosy as right-wing twitter might have you believe.
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Well in my city they are trying to use the food vouchers to buy alcohol.........
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For those of us who see and deal with the issues first hand then please be aware that your assumptions are way off the mark.
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Poverty seems to be defined as the household they belong to having only 60% of the median income, so having an oncome of less than £20,000 per year.

So if their parents have all you say, then how do they pay for rent, electricity, food etc..

Do they have to be starving to death before you will decide they need help?

Meanwhile some children of aristocrats are born billionaires.
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Oh come on, in 2014/15 the Tories tried to lift millions of children out of poverty by simply trying to redefine what poverty is
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Why are you so dismissive? Do you have anything to back your suggestion up?
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and a packet of fags
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You've really got no idea how poor some people are. I see you comments get a lot of likes too. Shows how clueless people are.
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I didn't even KNOW you could get a 65" tv and one mobile phone is much the same as any other anyway. I also suspect you don't know any stereotype family you denounce but merely get these things off the tv. The media will seek out families such as these for your "entertainment" and distraction. Make no mistake toryTomo POVERTY STINKS
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And there is your caring Tory nationalist in action.
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The problem is that we measure poverty in relative terms. That means, for example, that every time someone wins the lottery, more people are statistically defined as in poverty.
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11/01/2021 11:24:35 15 23
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This take disgusts me, to be honest. It's all you ever see from right-wingers: seeking to somehow justify poverty as being caused by those in it, while MPs grant billions in PPE contracts to their mates in dodgy deals and syphon hundreds of billions into offshore tax havens.

Maybe try not blaming the victim?
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The nowhere policies man... He looked total uneasy on Marr yesterday.
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Better than having a clown for prime minister which we have now
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Labour Talking Heads loving going on Marr.

Nice easy underarm questions for them to smash, uninterrupted into the stands .

All reported as 'news' by the BBC for the rest of the day.
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11/01/2021 10:27:44 64 32
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We desperately need a strong opposition but Starmer does not seem to resonate with the general public, think he struggling with supporting the government at this time and scared of being too critical, fine balance.
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he's too negative, would be nice to see someone oozing positivity and with ideas and vision. Starmer is just the bloke in the corner of the meeting who disagrees with everyone but has nothing to add
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11/01/2021 11:13:09 6 9
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It's called politics - come up with a good idea now, the Tories steal and implement it successfully and guess who's idea it was by the time of the next election.

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The clue is in the title -Opposition. The time for alternatives is when this shambolic, farcical bunch of clowns can be voted out.
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11/01/2021 12:36:09 2 2
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Starmer is right. That's his dilemma. Speak up so people know he was right, or shut up and be criticised for his silence.
This is a democracy, allegedly. Starmer should continue to speak his mind.
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Yes, someone like...let me think.....Grandpa Corbyn!
11/01/2021 15:11:56 1 3
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What like Boris ?
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easy to say a lot when you are not in power kier.
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So don't blame the Labour Party for the Tory catastrophe we are currently living under.
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Really..so the covid pandemic is the tories fault..at least they delivered brexit ..something the undemocratic labour party would of done ..live in the real world m8
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11/01/2021 10:36:36 18 26
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There would be some merit to that argument if Surkeer 'Forenzik' Starmer was arguing for less lockdowns and more economic activity.

But he's constantly arguing (about six months after the fact) that what we 'need' are earlier lockdowns, and for longer to really cripple the UK economy.
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i am 60.had good times and bad.all through my own graft.politicians(all parties)solve nothing.
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11/01/2021 11:11:27 21 25
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I'd have much rather have the Conservatives in than the clueless Keystone Corbyn Clowns in our darkest hour,
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11/01/2021 11:01:59 11 1
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cant see anything in my opening post that actually blames labour for a worldwide pandemic.
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We are living under a catastrophe, quite the opposite.
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11/01/2021 11:36:02 4 5
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Yeah, it’s Tory fault that COVID came along isn’t it.
Catastrophe? At the height of a global pandemic we have still got lower unemployment than the EU in normal times! And were ahead of the rest of the world in vaccination and will exit the pandemic soon, whereupon our great economy will power ahead unfettered by Europe. Were the greatest place to live in the world!
11/01/2021 12:06:26 5 6
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Labour are the biggest catastrophe going. Socialism does not work.
11/01/2021 12:06:42 2 4
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A Corbyn government would have been a real catastrophe.
11/01/2021 12:43:52 2 3
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Ha ha.....stretching a point to blame the government for a pandemic...just think Captain Corbyn could have been in charge managing the pandemic from his allotment.
11/01/2021 13:47:27 0 0
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Watch the news occasionally. Covid 19?
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11/01/2021 13:58:45 1 0
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I don't blame the Tories for the pandemic, I blame the idiots that spread it by not following the advise or not thinking, and then usually blaming the government for the situation they find themselves in.
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The big catastrophe is the lockdown.

Starmer wants a harder longer nastier lockdown..... so... ?

Not a Tory BTW, but you need to give up on the liblabcon punch & judy ... its not funny & its not clever.
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I don't normally agree with Captain Hindsight, but on this occasion I do. However, I would like him to explain how it gets funded.

The whole case of council funding and expenditure needs sorting asap. I am sick of paying silly amounts of council tax just to see them fritter the money away on vanity projects (the £100k for 10 trees in Blackpool) and consultants who get paid more than the PM.
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One way would be not giving contracts to Tory donors without competition. Also ensure that those best able to pay a bit more tax do so, rather than send their money into off-shore tax havens, after all we keep hearing we are all in it together.
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I am sick of the billions frittered away on enriching the wealthy.
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11/01/2021 11:32:23 29 26
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'Captain Hindsight' who has been ahead of this government in practically every aspect of handling the pandemic...?

I recall Johnson posturing that he wanted to 'ruin Christmas' when Starmer proposed the lockdown on the 21st or so... before Johnson adopted the same policy 2 days later. Same happened with schools last week. Seems 'Captain Foresight' would be a better moniker.
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I like how some people think that making a suggestion. Which is first rubbished, then later put into practice is somehow seen as 'hindsight'.

Can you explain what YOU think 'hindsight' means?
11/01/2021 12:49:52 2 4
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Surely the Brexit bonus money bonanza we've all been promised will fund everything!
11/01/2021 13:11:53 3 1
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Not to mention the near £30m that the Labour run Council in Stockton-on-Tees has now squandered on renovating an old theatre (a project that was originally supposed to cost c£4 million), and was already running years behind schedule before Covid. Meanwhile the Council has presided over the desperate decline of the surrounding town centre to the point where nobody bothers to visit any more.
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Couldn't agree more.
My council looks upon Council Tax payers the same way the Bank of England prints money.
The final straw, of many, was a new charge on residents to pay the council to cut the council owned parks grassy bits to the tune of £65 per year.
The opposite of tax avoidance.
So now, I don't recycle or help them in any way.
Money for old rope, worse than robber barons.
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11/01/2021 13:28:58 3 1
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My Labour council is a disaster, incompetent, driven by ideology and full of extreme left-wing arrivistes pushing militant agendas, if Labour governed nationally it would be the same.
11/01/2021 13:50:40 3 1
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11 years of austerity have given the treasury a huge surplus of ready cash. But that doesn’t mean that austerity is a thing of the past. The next 4 years of Tory austerity will be catastrophic for low income families. Watch this space.
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Do you believe that Blackpool doesn't fritter away large sums of your current council tax?
11/01/2021 14:51:59 0 1
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Taxation is the price you pay to live in a civilsied country. The Tories have managed to pay tens of billions for a non existent teat and trace.
11/01/2021 15:05:57 0 0
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the shadow chancellor was repeatedly asked on bbc news after critiscing tory policy on furlough ,universal credit etc, what her budget would be and like most politicians didnt have a budget so never answered the question, many yeasrs ago was why do politicians answer a question with a question and the reply was who said that ,
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The BBC consistently allows Tory Bots and far-right morons to post lies and misinformation. The highest-rated comment for example perpetuates a myth/fake news and has successfully distracted comments away from the real factual situation.

It is a highly disingenuous and offensive to the millions of people living in poverty, especially in the current crisis.
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Putting Council Tax up by 5% is a ridiculous decision at this time.

I am sure some people are already living hand to mouth, this could cause enormous financial, and well being issues for many.
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11/01/2021 10:34:14 15 18
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Except they will be able to claim the money back from the state.
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11/01/2021 11:15:37 4 1
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Although the poorest don't pay most of the council tax and as always it's those in the middle who take the real hit - particularly those who haven't benefitted from Furlough, other giveaways and WFH
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11/01/2021 11:42:33 3 1
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How about some facts to put things into perspective:

A 5% increase will cost the average Band D resident an extra £1.80 a week & a Band A resident 90p.

I wouldn't call either "enormous".
11/01/2021 13:42:16 1 0
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So how do you propose to pay for the increased costs Councils are facing?
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With inflation at 0.6%, why are there reports that Council Tax may increase by up to 5%?
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Because a very substantial proportion of all council tax goes to pay existing and future pension liabilities. The only way such rises could be justified is if everything, and I really mean everything, has been done to reduce waste, inefficiency and unnecessary services. That latter category would include a sizeable number of existing operations.
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11/01/2021 10:37:26 19 10
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That isn't true. It's because the central government grant is/has already been cut to zero.
Assistance given by the govt pandemic was nowhere the revenue LAs recieve from other sources.
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11/01/2021 10:46:29 12 8
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What about the billions wasted in handouts to the rich?
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11/01/2021 11:18:29 10 7
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The only reason for having to pay money to cover existing and future pension liabilities is that the government like so many big institutions didn't put any money into pension schemes during the time when interest rates were high in the 1980s, thank Maggie Thatcher for that. Before someone shouts about index linked pensions, the average local authority pension is around £6k p.a. hardly megabucks.
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I think you’ll find that Tory austerity cut local authorities’ budgets by up to 69%, especially if you were Labour run.
Indeed. Local authorities need to concentrate on a core of key services and do them well rather than a whole load of stuff that panders to political correctness.
11/01/2021 11:58:02 1 1
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Nonsense. Local authority pensions are contributory and completely independent. Last year my scheme had a surplus.
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Council tax also includes a precept for social care, which means that council tax payers have to contribute to the costs of people who get free residential care. But if you are a home owner, you are not entitled free social care yourself as you are deemed to have too many assets.

A rotten deal.
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absolute nonsense, the block grant has reduced by up to 50%. Why are you lying?
Our bin collection has just been cut. Can anyone tell me how this equates to a
5% increase in council tax.
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other social services may we have increased.
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11/01/2021 10:55:47 4 5
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Except they haven't, of course.
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11/01/2021 11:12:17 0 4
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There are no 'other social services' for 99% of Council Tax payers.

We get our bins taken away once a fortnight - and that's it.

Not bad for over £2,000 a year!

BTW it costs a council around £6 per month to collect bins so I get about £72 a year's worth from my £2,000 so the extra £100 a year I'm about to pay should more than cover that.
Our bin collection has just been cut. Can anyone tell me how this equates to a
5% increase in council tax.
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11/01/2021 10:31:16 1 6
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Where do you live?
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11/01/2021 10:31:19 11 27
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This is the real leadership and vision we haven’t seen from the blustering fool in charge
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11/01/2021 10:34:31 8 5
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Was that a joke!
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11/01/2021 10:31:24 611 230
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I bet Starmer is glad he isn't PM and has the relatively easy job of criticising from the gallery
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11/01/2021 10:37:44 304 215
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And if he said nothing you'd no doubt take shots at him for saying nothing. So what exactly would you like him to do that would be to your satisfaction?
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11/01/2021 10:50:09 74 40
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Opposition's job is to hold Government to account. If you have a problem with that, you have a problem with democracy.
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11/01/2021 11:00:24 54 34
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agree, its easy to throw rocks when you have little responsibility in what is the deepest crisis since the wars.....
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11/01/2021 11:00:37 57 17
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You're right. It is an easy job criticising this government.

However, that's his job.
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11/01/2021 11:13:27 46 71
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If Johnson has had enough of being PM I'm sure Starmer would jump at the chance to replace him.

The majority of the country would welcome the change.
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11/01/2021 11:20:06 15 25
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It's only easy because the Tories are utterly incompetent.
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11/01/2021 11:23:31 19 25
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All he has is to criticise because people like you continue to vote in the incompenant liars. You believe boris when he makes all his promises, then blame others when it turns out as lies. The government has made a complete shambles of this pandemic, but you will STILL vote for boris again after this, I am 100% certain. You cant criticise Keir Starmer when he hasnt even had a chance.
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11/01/2021 11:23:52 15 21
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It's what the opposition is, so what is your point? He's highlighting the huge inconsistencies in Govt...and if you're happy with the corruption going on then fine, but some of us aren't.
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11/01/2021 11:49:18 5 18
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Bet you are glad you don't have to worry about the health of the nation. Easy job of being a keyboard warrior for the tory party.
11/01/2021 11:59:27 20 8
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Indeed, and anybody who seriously believes that the current or future situation would be any better under a Starmer or Corbyn regime shouldn't be considered fit to vote.
11/01/2021 12:11:45 4 4
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Boris Johnson had an excellent well-paid job criticising from the gallery for years. Then for some peculiar reason he became Prime Minister and found he had to make decisions for a far lesser salary.

He is now realising how the rest of us occupy our time, balancing needs with income. At least we acquired the maturity to make the necessary decisions early on.
SJ
11/01/2021 12:32:51 4 7
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Johnson could have done what the NZ PM did, i.e. engage the opposition in a joint covid governance team. Or what Churchill did, forming a coalition.

But he hasn't. He's struck out on his own with his tiny band of cronies, and as a consequence of this arrogance he is making mistakes.
11/01/2021 12:49:03 1 1
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Like yours.
11/01/2021 12:49:05 3 3
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Not much different to when Johnson was sniping from the sidelines in the days when he was nothing more than a 2nd rate journalist for a right wing publication.
11/01/2021 12:49:33 3 4
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I hope that he'd be gladder to be PM, and able to improve on how things are going in the UK. Ministers who admired Mr Trump, despite his failings; a marked lack of success in dealing with the pandemic; massive bonuses for those supplying (or trying to supply) PPE and testing.
11/01/2021 12:56:38 1 2
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Along with most HYSayers!
RSO
11/01/2021 12:57:37 5 3
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NO DANGER OF THAT HAPPENING ANYTIME SOON. THANK GOD
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11/01/2021 10:26:51 116 43
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Unfortunately the country cannot afford to give pay rises.

There should be a freeze on all salaries and pensions for at least this year- (sorry but has to be done!)

Failing to do this is only going to prolong the pain for all.
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11/01/2021 10:31:55 56 36
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The country does not give pay rises.
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11/01/2021 10:38:03 10 1
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you are of course correct, but then you also knew what I meant!
11/01/2021 11:56:07 2 3
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It did, to Cummings.
11/01/2021 11:58:06 0 1
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Actually it could introduce a wage and price cap and freeze just as Edward Heath did in the 1970s.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/6/newsid_2538000/2538623.stm
11/01/2021 16:00:08 1 0
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I presume you are intentionally misinterpreting the comments rather than actually being so unintelligent as not to understand?
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11/01/2021 10:31:56 130 35
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The economy has shrunk as a result of the pandemic. So people are going to have to accept that they may be worse off & live accordingly. I know I have. The government is not in a position to protect family incomes.
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11/01/2021 10:44:13 72 63
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We've been living "worse-off" since 2008 with nearly 13 years of stagnant income, when does that end?
11/01/2021 12:02:52 10 6
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The Government have spent billions on un-tendered contracts to Tory donors and their mates. If they can do that they can do more to protect family incomes.
Soo
11/01/2021 13:51:15 1 2
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"The government is not in a position to protect family incomes." Of course not, how could they? The government is only in a position to TAX family incomes.
12/01/2021 11:20:44 0 0
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The governemnt and in fact Parliament as a who;e should now start looking at cutting things such such as council and Misnistry money wasting. Even to the extent of SACKING bearaucrats who waste the PUBLICS money
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11/01/2021 10:32:04 117 45
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I'd like to know who at the bbc selects news items that are able to be conversed on. It seems to me it is mainly storylines that will solicit most anti government comments.
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11/01/2021 10:36:22 60 53
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Please tell us what news items will solicit pro government comments as I am genuinely struggling to think of any. Brexit? No Covid? No. Freedom? No
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11/01/2021 10:36:48 11 8
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Quite. Still keen on HYS's on Brexit I see as well. Nothing like stirring up a bit of hate and division, eh? We should all be pulling together at the present time, regardless of your political views.
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11/01/2021 10:36:48 11 7
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Except of course this article is about the Opposition, which in the main elicits comments pro-Government frothers who believe anyone outside their little ring-fenced, cosseted, protected, world-of-leisure should just work harder if they want enough money to live on
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11/01/2021 10:39:32 5 3
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Basically and a short response.

yes
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11/01/2021 10:42:23 5 5
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Maybe that’s because they’re absolutely rubbish. No matter who you support.
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11/01/2021 10:43:10 14 10
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The new Chairman and DG of the BBC should sack the entire editorial staff of the 'news' programmes. For 'news. read anti-Tory, anti-Brexit propaganda.
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11/01/2021 11:13:46 1 2
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Are you surprised; read Lord Botham's comment piece of the Daily Telegraph today.
11/01/2021 12:45:52 0 0
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I'm glad you've noticed....
I'd also like to know who oversees the "moderators". I entered a complaint long before Xmas to find out why a comment is deemed unacceptable by one but not by another on a different day. The only response from BBC has been 2 messages telling me that they apologise for the longer wait than usual to respond but basically are too busy. Totally out of control. Removed
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The only country in UK where Labour are in power, Wales, 2 Labour councils have already announced 4% Council tax rises for 21/22, including my own where so far they have wasted £4m+ on a legal dispute with former CEX.
Does anyone listen to the Labour leader his own party don't.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55592222
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11/01/2021 11:36:04 101 25
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My neighbour used all his money on booze fags and drugs so he really needed the food bank, he even featured on the news visiting the food bank, he no longer needs the food bank as he's on prison food as he attempted armed robbery with a rolled up newspaper in a bin bag.
11/01/2021 12:11:29 19 8
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Indeed Labour = socialism. Look at Scotland, income tax is much higher than in England to pay for all those that don’t work won’t work. Labour and we’ll known for hiking taxes for free loaders. The present government have done the best they can with the current situation which to be honest over 12 months ago was unfathomable.
Jim
11/01/2021 15:08:47 5 1
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In my local Labour area, money was wasted on lawyers to assist a Councillor in their legal action against local school. The reason for the action, new school leaders terminated concillors contract as they had not provided any actual work in the school for several years - the Councillor thought they should get paid because the school benefited by being associated with them. The Councillor lost
11/01/2021 15:57:35 0 0
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How many local authorities are bankrupt in Wales, out of interest? The answer is none.

Now try this for England. Croydon and Northamptonshire ring any bells with you?
12/01/2021 07:50:04 0 0
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I smiled,
but then I looked at the council tax rises in my local areas which are increasing by 5%, England and conservative led councils and government, so 4% sounds good to me.

But I suppose that was not the real point was it?
Labour bashing at its best, fortunately the truth is out there
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If we get Amazon to pay 5% tax, can we stop the Council tax rises?

It's not like they haven't done rather well out of the pandemic and they're not short of a bob or two.
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11/01/2021 11:03:01 90 57
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Well, now we are out of the EUSSR, we can prevent their VAT tax avoidance, such as registering in a "lower-tax" EUSSR country as orchestrated by the likes of ... Juncker !!

already a HYS on this on Friday, but remoan bleaters complaining that companies in the EUSSR have to register to pay VAT in the UK - as they should - and not continue their tax-avoidance.
11/01/2021 12:59:44 0 3
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If you tax Amazon 5% - they will simply pass those costs onto the consumer - so you'll end up paying 5% more for anything you buy. Amazon will continue to grow at the same rate and same profits. Same with any tax rises, it all filters down to you and I to fund.
11/01/2021 13:23:55 0 1
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Stop the rises? No chance.
The councils have got used to collecting money and cutting back services.
I can't remember one year in a very long time when CT remained static or actually went down.
The rise of 19% one year is indelibly imprinted in my memory.
I reward them by doing absolutely nothing to help them, so no recycling, no trips to the household tip. Treat like with like
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11/01/2021 10:32:35 349 114
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Sir Kier wants everyone to have good local services (including social care) but doesn't want any increases in council tax.
Where's it coming from then? Cue the magic money tree again....
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11/01/2021 10:41:03 222 140
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The Tories have shown after borrowing nearly £2 trillion that it's more a magic money forest than a tree...
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11/01/2021 10:41:05 30 18
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What? The ones Theresa May said didn’t exist, then has suddenly appeared to pay Tory donors for failing CV19 services.
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Rothchild will pay for it
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11/01/2021 10:51:03 25 8
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Tax the rich.
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11/01/2021 10:53:23 10 6
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The magic money tree grows in gentleman's Surrey just ask Surrey county council and Theresa May!
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11/01/2021 10:59:08 21 13
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At least if the money was spent there we would see a tangible benefit.What benefit have we seen when the Tories gave obscene money to Dildo Harding
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11/01/2021 11:09:10 13 8
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How about some of the government's mates who are making a fortune out of government awarded contracts for things like PPE and computer systems that don't work.
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11/01/2021 11:11:34 10 7
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Central government funding to local authorities has been cut by nearly 50% since 2010, so restoring pre-2010 levels would more than cover the desired improvement in local services.
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DiscoRay86
"The Tories have shown after borrowing nearly £2 trillion that it's more a magic money forest than a tree..."

So borrowing all that money and dispersing it among the population in order to ensure food on the table, is a magic money forest?

Bitter anti-Tory rant!
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11/01/2021 11:15:03 10 7
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Council tax has increased because funds from central government have reduced significantly. The Tories plan has always been reducing direct tax (income tax) and increase indirect tax (council tax, VAT, import duty) so the plebs pay more and the rich pay less.
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11/01/2021 11:20:51 10 7
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It's a Tory magic money tree that had given billions to their cronies.
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11/01/2021 11:27:03 4 5
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Maybe the same magic money tree that funds schemes to maintain and increase already over-inflated property prices?
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11/01/2021 11:43:58 6 2
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From taxing those that moved business abroad to avoid taxes. Like some well known friends of Boris.
11/01/2021 12:10:03 4 1
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The Government should get the money back from uselesTrack & Trace and face mask contract that was awarded to a "middle man who happened to be an ex Conservative candidate with an off-shrore family account in Mauritius !!.
11/01/2021 12:12:06 4 1
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You miss the point: Boris on becoming party leader & when re-elected as PM said he had plans for social care - to date complete radio silence

He promised not to raise taxes but the Community Charge is an unfair stealth tax being used to fund social care. Proportionally the less well-off pay a higher percentage of their income via this tax

He could have raised income tax for the highest paid.
11/01/2021 12:26:18 1 0
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Or a fair, progressive tax system. Perhaps reversing the shift from taxing capital to taxing labour as well.
11/01/2021 12:59:04 3 1
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Well, yours is the same thinking that believes we should all throw rubbish in the street because ‘it keeps the council litter pickers in work’.
11/01/2021 13:52:33 3 0
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Don’t you ever get a bit fed up regurgitating the same old tired dogma?
11/01/2021 13:52:37 2 0
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Yeah and who planted the infamous ‘money tree’ ?. Tories and that brilliant ‘chancellor’ Osbourne!.
11/01/2021 14:55:58 0 0
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With all these magic money trees being planted why do we have such a climate change problem? Surely these trees will be converting the CO2 they absorb into cash to be picked at will thus solving the unemployment problems as well employing them as money pickers!! The solution to many problems.
11/01/2021 15:01:08 0 0
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Council tax doesnt actually pay a councils costs.
11/01/2021 15:15:43 0 0
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The cut in foreign aid.

Next.
as
11/01/2021 19:49:24 0 0
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All the savings Boris promised from Brexit of course.
12/01/2021 10:06:24 0 0
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We could have all that but the money the councils get is wasted on pathetic things that delievr zilch to the local community. Councilors are a waste of effort its time to attack the faceless beauractats and start sacking the half job people
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11/01/2021 10:29:29 94 51
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The nowhere policies man... He looked total uneasy on Marr yesterday.
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11/01/2021 10:33:00 67 120
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Better than having a clown for prime minister which we have now
11/01/2021 12:11:50 10 4
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Speak for yourself, but be thankful we did not get Corbyn.
11/01/2021 13:32:54 4 1
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I don’t think Boris has handled the situation very well but to be fair I think Starmer would have done just as badly however if it had been Corbin then i think you would have seen real disaster
Our bin collection has just been cut. Can anyone tell me how this equates to a
5% increase in council tax.
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11/01/2021 10:33:03 7 14
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Has it been cut or reduced to improve recycling rates to help the environment?
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11/01/2021 10:33:12 4 12
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Now we’ve left the EU and the ECHR Covid is facilitating mass sackings and rehiring staff on lesser terms and pay. A large warehouse business and a couple of supermarket chains didn’t even wait for Covid to hit though. The public are only ever going to accept so much
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11/01/2021 10:36:35 8 1
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The European Convention on Human Rights and the Court that rules on cases brought under it are not a EU organisation, and we have not 'left' them. Just because it has 'European' in the title does not mean it is in any way controlled by the EU!!
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11/01/2021 10:35:59 2 1
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A remoaner hijacking Covid-19!
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11/01/2021 10:33:17 50 19
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Let me get this right, KS wants or should I say, the unions are telling KS that there should be a pay rise. What a lovely world they live in
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11/01/2021 10:46:17 11 22
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You've made your point, but sidestepped getting it right.
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11/01/2021 10:30:08 163 247
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So don't blame the Labour Party for the Tory catastrophe we are currently living under.
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11/01/2021 10:33:25 31 39
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Really..so the covid pandemic is the tories fault..at least they delivered brexit ..something the undemocratic labour party would of done ..live in the real world m8
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11/01/2021 10:46:04 6 9
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Well said
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11/01/2021 11:09:19 25 29
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The effects of the virus are the Tory's fault just is the disaster that Brexit is starting to show.Totally incompetent fraudulent government.They should be put on trial
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11/01/2021 10:54:59 26 13
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What rot the pandemic is NOT the Tories' fault but the ABYSMAL HANDLING OF IT IS
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11/01/2021 11:29:52 8 4
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It was their Brexit to deliver. So we know who to blame when it all goes tots up. That includes you!
11/01/2021 12:02:00 5 4
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Under funding the NHS; creating an anti-foreigner perception in the UK; setting immigration income thresholds at a higher salary than a nurse gets paid - let alone "unskilled" staff get paid. PPE issues; chumocracy contracts - nothing to do with the government? Oh, Brexit = many hauliers not going to Europe where the vaccines are made.
11/01/2021 15:09:53 0 0
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well if Tories lay the credit crunch at Labours door, then Covid is the Tories fault. Your English is very poor, is it your second language?
12/01/2021 09:54:54 0 0
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and brexit is already proving to be a nightmare for businesses. what a great job they did.
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11/01/2021 10:33:35 15 14
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Keir Smarmey is always willing to spend other people's money. His sole view is that the government should throw money at everything. He makes himself look foolish when he decries the council tax rise which is to pay for social care whilst simultaneously calling for higher taxes.
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11/01/2021 10:37:56 9 8
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Your government is spending my money at the highest rate in history.
Check your facts, you just look foolish otherwise.
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11/01/2021 10:38:45 2 4
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As opposed to Spaffer giving his mates billions in dodgy CV19 deals, along with a few gongs to boot.
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11/01/2021 10:40:00 2 5
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Just remind everyone who doubled the national debt since 2010 and used the borrowed money to siphon it off into their family and friends businesses by government awarded contracts instead of opening them to competition
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11/01/2021 10:43:05 2 3
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Hasn't spent anyone elses money stop lying
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11/01/2021 10:33:36 13 6
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We need tighter regulation on Local Government spending to avoid hikes in Council Tax.

There should be a defined set of services that LG must provide. ONLY of there is spare money AFTER those services have been provided should vanity projects take place. BUT no extra Tax should be raised in the name of non core vanity projects.
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11/01/2021 10:36:47 6 8
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that's what happens now.
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11/01/2021 10:37:26 2 4
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Well, maybe the government can give back the 60% of the budget they cut in the name of austerity!
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11/01/2021 10:37:29 3 3
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Here in Kent one of the main pressures is the obligation to look after the hundreds of asylum seekers arriving in Kent by small boats all the time. They are stuck here as no other local authority (including virtue-signally Labour councils) will take any of them!
Is that a "vanity project"?
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11/01/2021 10:33:42 15 9
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Every actual or aspiring government minister should have the competences to eat, breath and sleep the role of his of her office. I doubt whether lawyers and people from the non-productive professions have such competences. They are able to talk the talk and deal with parliamentary procedures but that is not enough!
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11/01/2021 10:35:30 3 4
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Pretty broad generalisation there
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11/01/2021 10:35:42 2 4
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Like our idiot prime minister is a failed, lying hack!
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11/01/2021 10:29:29 94 51
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The nowhere policies man... He looked total uneasy on Marr yesterday.
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11/01/2021 10:34:07 26 8
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Labour Talking Heads loving going on Marr.

Nice easy underarm questions for them to smash, uninterrupted into the stands .

All reported as 'news' by the BBC for the rest of the day.
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11/01/2021 10:30:43 37 15
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Putting Council Tax up by 5% is a ridiculous decision at this time.

I am sure some people are already living hand to mouth, this could cause enormous financial, and well being issues for many.
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11/01/2021 10:34:14 15 18
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Except they will be able to claim the money back from the state.
11/01/2021 14:41:33 1 0
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"Except they will be able to claim the money back from the state."

So you mean the people it will hurt are the working families Starmer is supposed to hate & Boris is supposed to love, while not hurting the "non-working scroungers" that Boris is supposed to hate & Starmer is supposed to love?

It's as if the reality of the position is the opposite of the right wing press' interpretation of it!
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11/01/2021 10:34:23 181 58
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I noticed during his TV interview yesterday that he kept saying that 'The government must tell people to stay at home'

Well perhaps he could do his bit and also tell people to stay at home, or is it a political rather than a health matter?
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11/01/2021 10:40:51 108 6
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I personally think that every political leader, all media including the papers should be hammering home this message because although most have criticised the government on some issues, they have backed the introduction of the lockdown
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11/01/2021 10:41:23 7 8
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The government has the power to fine, or increase fines, for those ignoring restrictions. Starmer doesn't, so he's supporting the government to do so.
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11/01/2021 10:45:11 6 10
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Because it's not his job. The way the role of the opposition has evolved in the UK would mean that for him to say this would attract squawks of 'Does he think HE's running the country?'
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11/01/2021 11:16:21 9 4
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I think the issue is he recognises that scientists and experts have been trash-talked to the extent that our moronic public will not listen to reason, only to direct instruction, and only the government has that authority.
11/01/2021 12:26:47 4 0
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Absolutely agree, and whilst he is at it perhaps he would also like to point out that actually it is the actions and inactions of the public that spreads this virus.

We have only ourselves to blame for this second wave, we were warned about it but too many chose to ignore the basics of hands, face, space which hasn't changed since the end of the first lockdown.
11/01/2021 12:27:52 5 1
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Maybe he could just... stay at home, he is doing exactly the opposite - travelling to a studio where he could do exactly the same via a Zoom meeting
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11/01/2021 10:34:25 4 16
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Captain Hindsight doesn't think wasting £6 million per fatality on this cold virus is enough.
Lockdowns are not working, because Covid is now endemic. All this authoritarian nonsense is achieving is to destroy our economy.
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11/01/2021 10:35:58 5 13
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Starmer hasn't wasted any money. Boris has.
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11/01/2021 10:44:18 0 4
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So it's Starmers fault. Always someone else's fault
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11/01/2021 11:33:21 1 2
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I'd love to see you go up to the face of someone who has lost a loved one to this "cold virus" as you put it and see what happens. But you're just one of those losers who's only brave when he's got the internet to anonymously hide behind!
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11/01/2021 10:31:19 11 27
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This is the real leadership and vision we haven’t seen from the blustering fool in charge
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11/01/2021 10:34:31 8 5
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Was that a joke!
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11/01/2021 10:45:41 0 2
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Nope the joke is running the country
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11/01/2021 10:34:42 5 4
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Let me guess, Starner is the Devil?
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11/01/2021 10:36:47 2 5
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That’s about the size of it, but he is a Red Tory and often sides with the government
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11/01/2021 10:39:27 0 3
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Who is Starner?
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11/01/2021 10:29:26 704 325
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"... where over four million children grow up in poverty."
Is that Playstation poverty? Or are there 4m children starving to death because their parents need a 65" TV, a Sky subscription, and the latest mobile phone before food?
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11/01/2021 10:34:43 285 368
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You are right.
No more benefits until we see starving children dying in the streets of England.
The unemployed should be forced to work in the fields for their benefits like in Alabama and they can take their kids with them.
No more free lunches.
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11/01/2021 10:44:00 32 23
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Reductio ad absurdum.

Hilarious.
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11/01/2021 10:45:23 71 25
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I can tell you've never been to Alabama. I have, and TBH most people there are so grotesquely over-weight they could do with a bit of field work!!
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11/01/2021 10:49:20 78 73
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No he’s not right. There is no data to support such a baseless claim. There is a tonne of data showing that that there are millions of families in poverty. There are clear definitions of how poverty is measured by the govt in the UK. And it speaks volumes that footballers have to campaign for free school meals and teachers are raising concerns about many kids not have access to the internet, etc.
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11/01/2021 10:46:42 29 10
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No one works in the fields in Alabama - agriculture and cotton are all automated. I wouldn't want our country to resemble anywhere in the USA as they let you starve or die on the streets
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11/01/2021 10:53:28 13 15
bbc
Your view is in humane.
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11/01/2021 10:55:03 18 7
bbc
Maybe not quite, but food stamps, bill stamps and earn money if you want luxuries.
373
11/01/2021 11:05:39 28 8
bbc
I'm all FOR the fit unemployed being compelled to work for their benefits, rather than have us taxpayers fund their lives.
446
11/01/2021 11:03:27 4 2
bbc
I know you're being sarcastic but you ain't wrong!
515
11/01/2021 11:17:55 5 8
bbc
Vile.
645
11/01/2021 11:27:24 1 5
bbc
Thete should be help with the burials. Subsidy for shovels. :)
40
11/01/2021 10:34:48 7 15
bbc
Rishi Sunak has sadly continued to exclude 3 million from support, Starmer may not be ideal, however, this government has lied continuously, brexit, support for everyone, I personally have no trust for them.

"We're all in this together" should of added "with our rich mates"
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11/01/2021 10:39:55 2 4
bbc
I forgot to mention a few other bits, the curfew for hospitality buisnesses, with ZERO scientific evidence, in contempt of parliment. What did Boris say the other day? "No one has been excluded" tell that to 3 million. Artist Visas turned down for muscians, feels like they are single handedly trying to eradicate our amazing entertainment industry.
127
11/01/2021 10:42:25 1 4
bbc
So true only blind Tory voters would disagree with you,reading their gutter press from people who went abroad at Xmas,they are now the low life
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joe
11/01/2021 10:34:54 16 9
bbc
This is unfortunately just the first rise of many tax hikes and steals.

The ''really capable and competent'' circus Govt we have have to pay for Covid and the Brexit 'dividend' somehow.

And the cash will not come from their off shore havens either.
4
11/01/2021 10:26:58 171 21
bbc
With inflation at 0.6%, why are there reports that Council Tax may increase by up to 5%?
42
11/01/2021 10:34:55 15 14
bbc
Because Council Pensions and pay-rises won't fund themselves.
43
11/01/2021 10:35:01 20 7
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Government has given some public sector workers pay rises but not given local authorities any extra money to fund it so LAs have to increase rates. Government gets the credit for giving pay rises LA's get the blame.
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11/01/2021 10:45:46 7 3
bbc
No they have the public sector have had cuts equating to 20% over the last 10 years
44
11/01/2021 10:35:09 29 10
bbc
Utterly ridiculous. Council tax is already extortionate!! I am not going to get a 5% pay increase this year so nor should they!
169
11/01/2021 10:43:16 11 6
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who's getting a 5 per cent increase?? The average council now exists on about FIFTY PER CENT on what they were getting ten years ago. Cash reserves nearly all dried up and over the next 15 years at least, the average council will be spending on average SIXTY PER CENT of its income on social care for the elderly. No more nonsense
11/01/2021 13:43:25 0 0
bbc
It's not for pay... it's for services.

Suppose you're one of those who think you get a Council Tax discount if you work for the Council
2
11/01/2021 10:26:17 240 101
bbc
easy to say a lot when you are not in power kier.
45
WTF
11/01/2021 10:35:17 31 13
bbc
Maybe it its, but it is the official oppositions job to scrutinize the Government and to hold them to account - Otherwise it just becomes a rubber stamp parliament.
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11/01/2021 10:42:25 16 7
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totally agree.oppositions job to hold government to account.sadly ikea/media scream for lockdown,soon as government lock down,start screaming whats your exit plan.etc etc.
782
11/01/2021 11:29:45 2 5
bbc
Sir Keir knows that the only way he will ever be PM is if he enacts Conservative policies! Tory Lite are the only Labour governments we will ever see now.
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jon
11/01/2021 10:35:19 16 16
bbc
Captain hindsight strikes again. No wonder Labour are trailing in the polls when they should be streets ahead.
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11/01/2021 10:40:05 5 4
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The only polls are in exp and dfail,say no more
117
11/01/2021 10:41:30 1 3
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Whilst General Chaos rules
122
11/01/2021 10:42:05 3 2
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Labour party have had their day. They are more divided that ever!
47
11/01/2021 10:35:22 160 75
bbc
It's early days on this HYS, give it 20 minutes and it will be inundated with progressive Socialists and their wonderful comments.

Get ready for 'Bozo', 'Nasty', Clown'..........etc
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11/01/2021 10:38:15 60 79
bbc
you said it first well done
109
11/01/2021 10:40:32 8 15
bbc
No one else allowed an opinion
164
11/01/2021 10:41:03 17 21
bbc
And inundated with the same old Tory apologists.
170
11/01/2021 10:45:38 11 4
bbc
It didn’t get to 20 minutes ????
325
11/01/2021 11:00:13 17 4
bbc
you forgot "sunny uplands " and " blue passports..."
698
11/01/2021 11:31:48 11 9
bbc
Thanks for the constructive comment.
No mention of the abject failure of the present government to deal with the pandemic.
More deaths in one day than Australia has had since the start of last year when it was first public knowledge and warned about by the WHO and others.
Luckily Oxford University and others paid heed and started working on vaccines then.
822
11/01/2021 11:41:48 3 3
bbc
You said it!
908
11/01/2021 11:49:05 4 6
bbc
What, it is not true that he is all that and also a lier?
Strange how the progressive Left is so reactionary too .....
11/01/2021 12:26:07 5 2
bbc
Most of the uk population refer to the uk's leader as being a clown I.e. anyone who think he's massively incompetent and doing a very bad job. Only tory trolls refer to him as 'leader'.
11/01/2021 13:00:04 2 2
bbc
While waiting 20 minutes, do you by any chance have a useful contribution?
11/01/2021 15:23:54 1 0
bbc
Bozo is a clown.

Take it from me .. a nationalist anti-socialist.

Ridiculously telling people to "save lives" by trashing their own ... to deflect from his absurd failure to shut the border. And of course .. his glad-handing of the first CV19 cases with no PPE.
11/01/2021 15:59:24 1 0
bbc
I think calling them progressive Socialists is rather flattering. In truth, more like under-educated freeloaders.
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11/01/2021 10:33:42 15 9
bbc
Every actual or aspiring government minister should have the competences to eat, breath and sleep the role of his of her office. I doubt whether lawyers and people from the non-productive professions have such competences. They are able to talk the talk and deal with parliamentary procedures but that is not enough!
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11/01/2021 10:35:30 3 4
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Pretty broad generalisation there
32
11/01/2021 10:33:42 15 9
bbc
Every actual or aspiring government minister should have the competences to eat, breath and sleep the role of his of her office. I doubt whether lawyers and people from the non-productive professions have such competences. They are able to talk the talk and deal with parliamentary procedures but that is not enough!
49
11/01/2021 10:35:42 2 4
bbc
Like our idiot prime minister is a failed, lying hack!
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CPJ
11/01/2021 10:44:35 1 3
bbc
I would say evidence suggests The Prime Minister has been very successful, bearing in mind he has a vast majority in the house of commons. Sir Kier acts like a lawyer all the time cannot cannot come out with anything productive,
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11/01/2021 10:35:48 223 46
bbc
It’s so easy to make promises when your in opposition and there are no consequences for your party because you don’t have to deliver.

Economically this country has taken a hit because of covid. In fact the whole world has. Borrowing has been heavy and tax receipts down. However well intentioned his ideas where is the money coming from?

Concentrate on vaccinations. Get people back to work.
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11/01/2021 10:37:56 47 122
bbc
boris is the capitol of spending
162
11/01/2021 10:40:17 7 14
bbc
Better idea - stand back and watch the current HMG put taxes up for all of us and watch all the Tory apologists slither out of the woodwork.
990
11/01/2021 11:55:15 8 3
bbc
It is Government that did promise and never deliver, so for them it was just as easy to promise. In fact it was even easier because they learned from how to lie from an expert.
11/01/2021 15:05:14 1 0
bbc
The same place Boris got tens of billions to give his mates for nothing in return.
11/01/2021 15:10:44 2 0
bbc
Recent times suggest it’s just as easy to make promises when you’re in power and there are no obvious consequences for repeatedly lying through your teeth.
11/01/2021 15:12:50 2 0
bbc
The BBC consistently allows Tory Bots and far-right morons to post lies and misinformation. The highest-rated comment for example perpetuates a myth/fake news and has successfully distracted comments away from the real factual situation.

It is a highly disingenuous and offensive to the millions of people living in poverty, especially in the current crisis.
11/01/2021 15:52:06 0 0
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Worst economic performance in Europe, one of the worst death tolls in the world, incompetent handling of the pandemic, of education, and a serial refusal to pay nurses a decent wage. But hey, do keep on trying to defend the indefensible.
b
11/01/2021 16:47:24 0 0
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"It’s so easy to make promises when your in opposition and there are no consequences for your party because you don’t have to deliver"

Johnson does it all the time, and he isn't even in opposition.
51
11/01/2021 10:35:57 11 13
bbc
Sir Keir, keeping up the proud tradition of spending other people's money....it will run out you know.
84
11/01/2021 10:36:52 6 7
bbc
Lazy comment.
87
11/01/2021 10:38:39 1 2
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It already has.
98
11/01/2021 10:39:29 2 3
bbc
No doubt your on high pension,whilst we have people like you we will never survival
128
11/01/2021 10:42:30 2 3
bbc
And what have the tories been doing for the last 10 years?
The nasty party thought they had one thing. Management of the economy. After the complete mess they have made you'd have to have received as nasty bump on the head to vote tory.
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11/01/2021 10:39:04 1 3
bbc
This comment was made about "socialism" by Mrs. Thatcher a generation ago. Never forget to mention the fact that when she said it she was selling off whatever she could get her hands on to keep taxation down for her friends and to line their pockets for political gain at the same time. Even MacMillan called out her stupidity for doing so.
182
11/01/2021 10:46:22 1 3
bbc
You mean the tradition that involves: the garden bridge, water cannon, useless PPE, useless test and trace, and contracts to mates!
36
11/01/2021 10:34:25 4 16
bbc
Captain Hindsight doesn't think wasting £6 million per fatality on this cold virus is enough.
Lockdowns are not working, because Covid is now endemic. All this authoritarian nonsense is achieving is to destroy our economy.
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11/01/2021 10:35:58 5 13
bbc
Starmer hasn't wasted any money. Boris has.
139
11/01/2021 10:43:36 0 3
bbc
Boris the great,all lies and lies ,just watched him on have I got news for you, complete idiot
155
11/01/2021 10:44:56 4 1
bbc
And Starmer has said nothing except anodyne crap about 'We must protect the old...' or some such bollocks.

As if we were machine-gunning the old instead of destroying the UK economy to 'save' them.
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11/01/2021 10:36:19 16 16
bbc
Im sorry but Keir Starmer has put me off voting Labour for as long as he's in charge, i would of like more from him about how things should be done differently, he's proved himself to lack substance during this pandemic, all about the "cheap dig" and nothing else unfortunately,
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11/01/2021 10:38:21 12 13
bbc
Written like a real tory
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11/01/2021 10:42:10 3 2
bbc
If you want to know what Surkeer 'Forenzik' Starmer would do, you need to wait six months until he's weighed up all the possibilities and then he'll tell you what he would have done.

Right now, we should be asking him what he would have done last July.

No point asking him what should be done right now.
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CPJ
11/01/2021 10:32:04 117 45
bbc
I'd like to know who at the bbc selects news items that are able to be conversed on. It seems to me it is mainly storylines that will solicit most anti government comments.
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11/01/2021 10:36:22 60 53
bbc
Please tell us what news items will solicit pro government comments as I am genuinely struggling to think of any. Brexit? No Covid? No. Freedom? No
930
11/01/2021 11:50:24 0 1
bbc
Really? Financial support for people during this pandemic to start with?
11/01/2021 12:14:42 7 3
bbc
The Brexit deal is a very positive story. The government has got vaccinations rolled out faster than many countries. We have not had riots, fires, or bloodshed.
11/01/2021 12:50:59 0 1
bbc
Freedom?
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11/01/2021 10:33:12 4 12
bbc
Now we’ve left the EU and the ECHR Covid is facilitating mass sackings and rehiring staff on lesser terms and pay. A large warehouse business and a couple of supermarket chains didn’t even wait for Covid to hit though. The public are only ever going to accept so much
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11/01/2021 10:36:35 8 1
bbc
The European Convention on Human Rights and the Court that rules on cases brought under it are not a EU organisation, and we have not 'left' them. Just because it has 'European' in the title does not mean it is in any way controlled by the EU!!
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11/01/2021 10:30:08 163 247
bbc
So don't blame the Labour Party for the Tory catastrophe we are currently living under.
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11/01/2021 10:36:36 18 26
bbc
There would be some merit to that argument if Surkeer 'Forenzik' Starmer was arguing for less lockdowns and more economic activity.

But he's constantly arguing (about six months after the fact) that what we 'need' are earlier lockdowns, and for longer to really cripple the UK economy.
11/01/2021 11:56:26 1 1
bbc
You clearly aren't listening because that is exactly what he has been arguing for.
11/01/2021 11:58:37 5 3
bbc
No, he is ahead of Boris on this. You may not agree with lockdowns but Mr Starmer was calling for tighter rules in early December. He was hindsight in that the scientists asked first. It took Boris a month to act on the science.
11/01/2021 15:11:02 0 0
bbc
Yet Borinochio follows everything he says, after arguing tht what he says is wrong.
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11/01/2021 10:34:42 5 4
bbc
Let me guess, Starner is the Devil?
57
11/01/2021 10:36:47 2 5
bbc
That’s about the size of it, but he is a Red Tory and often sides with the government
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11/01/2021 10:43:52 3 1
bbc
I particularly loved him voting for the Brexit deal and abstaining on the last lockdown legislation.

Very 'Presidential'.

Most 'Forenzik'.
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11/01/2021 10:33:36 13 6
bbc
We need tighter regulation on Local Government spending to avoid hikes in Council Tax.

There should be a defined set of services that LG must provide. ONLY of there is spare money AFTER those services have been provided should vanity projects take place. BUT no extra Tax should be raised in the name of non core vanity projects.
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11/01/2021 10:36:47 6 8
bbc
that's what happens now.
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CPJ
11/01/2021 10:32:04 117 45
bbc
I'd like to know who at the bbc selects news items that are able to be conversed on. It seems to me it is mainly storylines that will solicit most anti government comments.
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11/01/2021 10:36:48 11 8
bbc
Quite. Still keen on HYS's on Brexit I see as well. Nothing like stirring up a bit of hate and division, eh? We should all be pulling together at the present time, regardless of your political views.
11/01/2021 12:41:12 2 1
bbc
I completely agree. If you could just agree with my political views then 'pulling together' will be a lot easier
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CPJ
11/01/2021 10:32:04 117 45
bbc
I'd like to know who at the bbc selects news items that are able to be conversed on. It seems to me it is mainly storylines that will solicit most anti government comments.
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11/01/2021 10:36:48 11 7
bbc
Except of course this article is about the Opposition, which in the main elicits comments pro-Government frothers who believe anyone outside their little ring-fenced, cosseted, protected, world-of-leisure should just work harder if they want enough money to live on
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11/01/2021 10:36:51 389 118
bbc
I wish people would stop talking about "poverty" in the UK. Unless you have been to the backstreets of Calcutta or the hovels of the Congo you will not have witnessed people literally starving and dying on the streets. That is real poverty, not what passes for poverty here which often means not being able to afford the latest upgrade to one's smart phone or pack of 20 B&H to smoke while "gaming".
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11/01/2021 10:39:24 280 119
bbc
quite well said
rashford going on about starvation in this country is pathetic
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11/01/2021 10:40:17 62 30
bbc
Indeed.

As soon as UK politicians mention 'poverty' in the UK, you know they are nothing other than socialist grifters seeking to create division.

They have no idea what real 'poverty' looks like.

Any 'poverty' there is in the UK is the result of poor parents making (repeatedly) poor spending decisions. Giving them more money won't help that. They'll just make different (poor) decisions.
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11/01/2021 10:43:21 28 22
bbc
Poverty is relative... or do you read The Sun?
Most of the unemployed single mothers I see are overweight and if not are drug abusers. I saw a woman on the BBC local news using a food bank who looked morbidly obese. Removed
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11/01/2021 11:18:53 31 13
bbc
You obviously have never seen inside a poor person's household in the UK I have (for many years), it's not nice, true, not as bad as third world countries but should we be measuring UK poverty to that in Calcutta? Would it not be a better comparison to compare us to northern europe countries like Holland,Germany, Denmark etc
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bob
11/01/2021 11:30:10 49 8
bbc
You are right on a macro level of course. This country offers free healthcare, education and pensions to all, together with housing and cash if it’s needed. The idea that this is poverty is absurd. Having said that, where children are genuinely in poverty this needs looking at on a case by case basis, starting with the conduct of the parents.
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11/01/2021 11:41:36 11 8
bbc
Spot on
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11/01/2021 11:51:43 9 12
bbc
Do we need to drop to the level of backstreets of Calcuta before action is taken? Or worse, to became subject to new Live Aid concert?
11/01/2021 12:04:54 16 5
bbc
So true. Poverty here is not having a holiday, new smart phones, iPad not to mention all the pay per view tv channels. People dont know how to budget, shop well and know how to cook a wholesome meal anymore. Someone else is always to blame and pay for their keep. My mum grew up in poverty in the 40’s sick mother and a dead father. No support whatsoever back then either financial or otherwise.
11/01/2021 12:06:04 21 5
bbc
When I worked in schools serving deprived areas, many of the kids who were on free school meals didi not take them. They wanted to wander the streets at lunchtime with their mates. Nearly all of them had high-end phones and there were plenty of designer items being worn.
11/01/2021 12:09:39 9 9
bbc
I wish you would take the time to understand the meaning of the term 'relative poverty'. There are much poorer folks in other parts of the world in material terms and that inequality is deplorable, but that does not mean we have to have families rely on foodbanks, people go without dental treatment or opticians in this country because they can't afford food or that kind of extravagance.
11/01/2021 12:08:22 12 1
bbc
It's all relative. The real poor in the UK are invisible to most.
11/01/2021 12:19:17 13 5
bbc
I wish people would stop saying there is no poverty in the UK until they see what those living on the minimum have to deal with. PosterMeerkat illustrates perfectly how in touch he/she might be with Calcutta but perfectly out of touch they are with the UK.
11/01/2021 12:26:18 3 0
bbc
Until you have been on benefits your will never know.

When I was younger I used to freecycle my used stuff when I myself upgraded, all to people who had little or nothing, large TV,s ,Phones and computers very rarely was any item older than 4-5 years, better than going to bright house for goods that cost three times their worth, now I am older I do not need the latest or greatest, quality always
11/01/2021 13:49:45 3 4
bbc
Yes these days poverty is usually measured relative to the average income and lifestyle of the country. In the UK it seems if you don't have an iphone and drive an Audi you are living in poverty! Absolute poverty however is when people are unable to maintain basic living standards.
11/01/2021 13:55:26 3 5
bbc
Quite simply poverty is when your income falls short of your spending needs. You don’t need to be homeless and starving to death to be poor.
Vid
11/01/2021 13:56:23 2 1
bbc
Completely agree. I was lucky enough to go to the Gambia before of this kicked off. They literally have nothing, food has to be bought on a daily basis because 90% of homes do not have electricity to run a fridge as it is un affordable. Simple truth is that if the household does not earn that day, they don't eat.
11/01/2021 14:04:57 2 4
bbc
I bet you vote Tory.
Jim
11/01/2021 14:19:43 5 2
bbc
True. Most food poverty could be solved by the parents simply learning / being bothered to cook.

Healthy nutritious food is not expensive. It just needs some effort.

Yes food banks are used more, but are they used more because people need them or because free is good? Similarly with Rushford campaign, questions should be asked what the parents are spending their benefits payments on?
11/01/2021 15:07:49 1 1
bbc
We are not in Calcutta, so stop comparing the two.
I just want all the people who upvoted this vile post to know that I consider them lower than Jimmy Saville. Like all tories. Carry on. Removed
11/01/2021 15:47:24 1 1
bbc
So in your book, children have to be dying before you consider they are in poverty. God help us all.
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bbc
Crawl back in your hole Starmer. Removed
134
11/01/2021 10:43:13 1 3
bbc
Got out of bed yet ?
301
11/01/2021 10:57:51 0 2
bbc
What a lovely individual you are.
363
11/01/2021 11:04:08 0 2
bbc
That is uncalled for. Disrespectful. Hateful. Immature and indicates that you are pathetic beyond stupid.

Complaint.
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11/01/2021 10:28:54 364 84
bbc
The private sector won't be getting a pay rise in most cases, so unfortunately I don't think we should expect any different for the public sector.
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11/01/2021 10:36:58 165 228
bbc
Darn, what a pity the private sector didn't get the memo for this same thing back in 2008, where they continued to throw out lavish wages and bonuses to those at the top of the tree.
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11/01/2021 10:46:16 31 10
bbc
Yeah your trite view only applies to a small percentage of business's.

Most people in the private sector are one man are SME with a handful of staff.

And these are the people propping up the economy.
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11/01/2021 10:57:13 38 6
bbc
you clearly have no idea what the private sector is. You may be thinking of the banking sector.
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11/01/2021 11:07:54 5 11
bbc
Communism alert
583
11/01/2021 11:20:15 8 1
bbc
We did. The private sector did not get significant pay rises after 2008. In fact many private sector employees took significant pay cuts between 2008 and 2012 to help keep their companies afloat. And many after that got very low and some zero increases for a further few years.
This is not a Public vs Private issue. Many private companies froze pay since March last year
823
11/01/2021 11:41:53 5 4
bbc
Problem is not private sector.
It is government spending or rather throwing money at government friends businesses, like they are public sector.
833
11/01/2021 11:42:27 6 7
bbc
My wife worked in the private sector at this time and did not get a pay rise for three years. Usual unresearched left wing tosh.
925
11/01/2021 11:49:59 4 4
bbc
I worked for private company in 2008 and we all decided on a 50% pay cut for 12 months just to keep the company going. I can see a shinny career in the Labour Party for you!
11/01/2021 11:56:35 2 5
bbc
2008...oh was that under a Labour government?
11/01/2021 12:03:40 4 1
bbc
those at the top of NHS trusts etc also earn very big money and people under £24k hopefully will get something
11/01/2021 12:18:15 4 0
bbc
The downvotes to your comment tells you everything you need to know about the mindset of most on HYS. The main sentiment from those arguing against seems to be: "You shouldn't get any benefits because I don't and i'd rather see you suffer than get anything more than I do"
11/01/2021 12:28:23 3 4
bbc
classic socialist distortion...
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11/01/2021 10:30:50 129 29
bbc
Because a very substantial proportion of all council tax goes to pay existing and future pension liabilities. The only way such rises could be justified is if everything, and I really mean everything, has been done to reduce waste, inefficiency and unnecessary services. That latter category would include a sizeable number of existing operations.
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11/01/2021 10:37:26 19 10
bbc
That isn't true. It's because the central government grant is/has already been cut to zero.
Assistance given by the govt pandemic was nowhere the revenue LAs recieve from other sources.
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11/01/2021 10:33:36 13 6
bbc
We need tighter regulation on Local Government spending to avoid hikes in Council Tax.

There should be a defined set of services that LG must provide. ONLY of there is spare money AFTER those services have been provided should vanity projects take place. BUT no extra Tax should be raised in the name of non core vanity projects.
65
11/01/2021 10:37:26 2 4
bbc
Well, maybe the government can give back the 60% of the budget they cut in the name of austerity!
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11/01/2021 10:33:36 13 6
bbc
We need tighter regulation on Local Government spending to avoid hikes in Council Tax.

There should be a defined set of services that LG must provide. ONLY of there is spare money AFTER those services have been provided should vanity projects take place. BUT no extra Tax should be raised in the name of non core vanity projects.
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11/01/2021 10:37:29 3 3
bbc
Here in Kent one of the main pressures is the obligation to look after the hundreds of asylum seekers arriving in Kent by small boats all the time. They are stuck here as no other local authority (including virtue-signally Labour councils) will take any of them!
Is that a "vanity project"?
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11/01/2021 10:37:41 5 5
bbc
I think I'll wait another six months to see what Surkeer 'Forenzik' Starmer thinks should have been done today.

It really is too soon to expect him to come up with any solution or strategy for what need doing RIGHT NOW.
295
11/01/2021 10:57:19 2 2
bbc
You obviously don't keep up to date with events
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11/01/2021 11:02:49 0 2
bbc
What we need to do right now is increase the supply of oxygen rather than hot air.

Send back empty gas bottles. Lives depend on them.

You know - those large torpedoe like gas bottles that just lay about empty all over the place.

Send them back. Just do it. Save lives.
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11/01/2021 10:31:24 611 230
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I bet Starmer is glad he isn't PM and has the relatively easy job of criticising from the gallery
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11/01/2021 10:37:44 304 215
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And if he said nothing you'd no doubt take shots at him for saying nothing. So what exactly would you like him to do that would be to your satisfaction?
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11/01/2021 10:47:44 52 58
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he could have started by saying he would have honoured the brexit vote.he and jezza didnt,labour got wiped out and have learnt nothing about their core voter since.easy election to win in a hundred years.they blew it.
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11/01/2021 10:53:41 68 15
bbc
I'd like him to kick out the remaining hard left loonies into a separate party so that Labour could offer a credible alternative at the next election.
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11/01/2021 11:06:40 32 21
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1. Ask why annual normal respiratory deaths are down 12,000.
2. Ask why 30,000 covid related deaths were in care homes last march/ april.
3. Ask why there is no democratic/ scientific debate about lockdown efficacy.
4. Ask what happened to the track n trace money.
5. Ask why dont they publish covid only deaths.
6. Ask why NHS bed capacity has been reduced by 43% over the last 20 years
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11/01/2021 11:13:12 29 6
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Of course he has to say something, he leads the opposition; for what that is worth. The point was that he doesn't have to DO anything....yet!
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11/01/2021 11:15:03 20 25
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No I'd welcome the silence!
561
11/01/2021 11:21:31 5 5
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Resign
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11/01/2021 11:33:48 3 5
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Resign
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11/01/2021 11:34:41 16 5
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Come up with sensible workable ideas for paying for COVID would be a good start.
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11/01/2021 11:38:12 15 7
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To be responsible. Not irresponsible with other people's money. As Thatcher said the trouble with socialism is that you soon run out of other people's money.
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11/01/2021 11:42:01 8 4
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I don't think i can say what i'd like him to do without getting removed....Again ??
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11/01/2021 11:48:11 20 4
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He likes to be generous with public money, as Labour always are, but he needs to present a viable long term plan to re-build the economy after Covid. This is a more difficult policy to plan. How would a Labour government generate growth? Does he intend tax rises? Simply advocating more spending is easy, but it is not enough.
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RTH
11/01/2021 11:49:12 20 6
bbc
Say something that isn't either from hindsight or doesn't have an overtly party political bias. He is totally intent on scoring points.
OwO
11/01/2021 12:02:48 9 4
bbc
Actual solutions would be a start, instead of vague criticisms. That may require some actual intelligence, however.
11/01/2021 12:03:59 7 4
bbc
Well, if he's going to tell us all to stay home, perhaps he could do that from his home, rather than from a BBC TV studio.
11/01/2021 12:11:04 8 2
bbc
Labour should shut it until the pandemic is over. At the start of the pandemic there was a ceasefire - a recognition that we had to be united. But that relaxed as we came out of Lockdown 1.

I blame the mixed messages from ALL politicians for part of the reason why people don't follow the rules - people see the politicians disagreeing, and use that to justify their actions.
11/01/2021 12:27:21 1 3
bbc
take a running hike into the north sea.
11/01/2021 12:30:50 9 5
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SHUT-UP and support the Government which is doing incredibly well by European standards and KEPT THEIR WORD to get us out of the thieving European Union.
11/01/2021 12:48:29 5 4
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He could show us that he was fit for government by outlining what he would do to address the various issues affecting of the day .i.e. keeping all the balls in the air at the same time. How he would pay for all the policies he is on about without hammering business and therefore the jobs and workers he claims he is trying to protect.
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11/01/2021 10:33:35 15 14
bbc
Keir Smarmey is always willing to spend other people's money. His sole view is that the government should throw money at everything. He makes himself look foolish when he decries the council tax rise which is to pay for social care whilst simultaneously calling for higher taxes.
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11/01/2021 10:37:56 9 8
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Your government is spending my money at the highest rate in history.
Check your facts, you just look foolish otherwise.
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11/01/2021 10:35:48 223 46
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It’s so easy to make promises when your in opposition and there are no consequences for your party because you don’t have to deliver.

Economically this country has taken a hit because of covid. In fact the whole world has. Borrowing has been heavy and tax receipts down. However well intentioned his ideas where is the money coming from?

Concentrate on vaccinations. Get people back to work.
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11/01/2021 10:37:56 47 122
bbc
boris is the capitol of spending
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11/01/2021 11:51:00 12 10
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Boris is the champion of the people. The silent majority that gave us BREXIT and him an 80 seat majority is still behind him.
11/01/2021 12:07:43 6 9
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never trust a remainer
11/01/2021 12:33:46 2 4
bbc
If you want to write something, first learn some grammar and how to spell.
11/01/2021 12:38:24 3 2
bbc
and much went, very generously, to his (unvetted, unqualified and opportuistic) buddies who were more than happy to take it without having any proven ability to provide what they implied they just might be able to get their hands on.
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11/01/2021 10:31:55 56 36
bbc
The country does not give pay rises.
71
11/01/2021 10:38:03 10 1
bbc
you are of course correct, but then you also knew what I meant!
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11/01/2021 10:38:05 1 5
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Corona virus's have been around for 450,000,000 Years. Dinosaurs got Corona virus, no one put them in lock down.

Who would dare!
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11/01/2021 10:59:51 1 1
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How do know dinosaurs didn't lockdown?
73
11/01/2021 10:38:05 4 2
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And still we have twitter groups trying to get handouts (with the associated fraudulent claims ) for wealthy company directors!
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11/01/2021 10:38:12 6 7
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Starmer just wants to keep on giving money away. But that's fine for him he'll never be in a position of power to have to get it paid back. He is worse that Corbyn, Starmer only says things that he thinks will win him votes but news flash it won't
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11/01/2021 10:56:29 1 2
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Always someone else's fault
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11/01/2021 10:58:47 0 2
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To be fair and not blinded it is the Tory party throwing wad gobs of money at the current crisis. Wad gobs of funding in unprecedented quantity.

The sums are staggering. £400 billion.

£25,000 on behalf of every family. So far.

Your point is a li'l unbalanced don't you think especially since everyone and probably yourself is and are drooling for financial support from Govt.

Silly person.
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11/01/2021 10:38:12 14 8
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Can I point out to all the Tory apologists who come on here.
The Tory Party are in power with an 80 seat majority. And have been the governing Party for 10+ years.
If there is a problem ( and there is ) it is with them and their supporters.
What more do you want, own it. !!!!
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11/01/2021 10:47:50 6 5
bbc
Labour have been in power in Wales for 21 years and we are at the bottom of every meaningful statistic in UK.
Latest is lowest vaccination rate, only 70k out of 275k doses they have received been given out across whole of Wales.
Labour own that.
There was a decision to recover from the Blair-Brown financial catastrophe over medium long term with QE and prudent constraint. It worked during 10 years.

You are unfortunately spreading moron news which misleads and should be considered as bad and evil as Trump by other name. You are a Trumpette. Could even preclude with 'S'.

You serve the bog and must plug your bottom.
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11/01/2021 10:38:14 5 7
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Starmer .. “protect family incomes” ..
This man specialises in stating the bleeding obvious .. Furlough scheme until April (so for a year) and it must be good because it’s one of the few thing Starmer has not criticised the government for...
Come on Kier be progressive,tell us what Labour stand for and stop telling us what we already know..
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11/01/2021 10:48:17 3 1
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There is a huge threat to small business. That is the High Street. That is Local business tax revenue. That is Council Tax. That is Local services.

Small business gets no support beyond small loans if taken.

250,000 small businesses is more than a million jobs.
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11/01/2021 10:35:22 160 75
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It's early days on this HYS, give it 20 minutes and it will be inundated with progressive Socialists and their wonderful comments.

Get ready for 'Bozo', 'Nasty', Clown'..........etc
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11/01/2021 10:38:15 60 79
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you said it first well done
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11/01/2021 10:47:54 8 17
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Bozo, nasty, clown etc. There - one hates to disappoint. And the the fact that you use a reference to progress as a criticism is a bit of a giveaway, is it not? Heaven forbid!
11/01/2021 12:08:17 2 2
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Yawn.
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11/01/2021 10:36:19 16 16
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Im sorry but Keir Starmer has put me off voting Labour for as long as he's in charge, i would of like more from him about how things should be done differently, he's proved himself to lack substance during this pandemic, all about the "cheap dig" and nothing else unfortunately,
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11/01/2021 10:38:21 12 13
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Written like a real tory
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11/01/2021 10:29:54 4 7
bbc
Yes Sir Kier, how much does your Butler get paid?
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11/01/2021 10:55:17 3 2
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Doesn't have one stop lying
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11/01/2021 10:29:26 704 325
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"... where over four million children grow up in poverty."
Is that Playstation poverty? Or are there 4m children starving to death because their parents need a 65" TV, a Sky subscription, and the latest mobile phone before food?
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11/01/2021 10:33:13 99 54
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spot on post,according to the stats i live in poverty.yet here i am on a computer.
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11/01/2021 10:30:08 163 247
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So don't blame the Labour Party for the Tory catastrophe we are currently living under.
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11/01/2021 10:34:55 12 10
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i am 60.had good times and bad.all through my own graft.politicians(all parties)solve nothing.
11/01/2021 15:11:28 0 0
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so you built the footpaths and roads you get about on...
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11/01/2021 10:35:13 3 5
bbc
Unfortunately Starmer will never make the rich pay their fair share of tax.

He's a lying hypocrite just like Johnson.
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11/01/2021 10:42:19 1 4
bbc
Too true
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11/01/2021 10:33:12 4 12
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Now we’ve left the EU and the ECHR Covid is facilitating mass sackings and rehiring staff on lesser terms and pay. A large warehouse business and a couple of supermarket chains didn’t even wait for Covid to hit though. The public are only ever going to accept so much
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11/01/2021 10:35:59 2 1
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A remoaner hijacking Covid-19!
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11/01/2021 10:47:33 0 3
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Better than being a fascist, anyday
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11/01/2021 10:35:57 11 13
bbc
Sir Keir, keeping up the proud tradition of spending other people's money....it will run out you know.
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11/01/2021 10:36:52 6 7
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Lazy comment.
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11/01/2021 10:29:26 704 325
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"... where over four million children grow up in poverty."
Is that Playstation poverty? Or are there 4m children starving to death because their parents need a 65" TV, a Sky subscription, and the latest mobile phone before food?
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11/01/2021 10:37:19 128 70
bbc
Daily Mail muppetry at its finest.
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11/01/2021 10:38:39 5 2
bbc
Local govt pension increases are 0.5% for 21/22 so not the thousands that some seem to think they get.
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11/01/2021 10:42:48 2 3
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Most in the private sector have seen their modest pension pots go down this year. If they were lucky they stood sill Judas to wiping off all last years contributions.
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11/01/2021 10:35:57 11 13
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Sir Keir, keeping up the proud tradition of spending other people's money....it will run out you know.
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11/01/2021 10:38:39 1 2
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It already has.
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11/01/2021 10:38:44 7 2
bbc
Time that Council Tax bands were re-assessed, basing it on property prices in 1991 is ridiculous, buy an ex-council house in Croydon or Wandsworth in 1991 and see what that property is worth now, its a disgrace.
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11/01/2021 10:33:35 15 14
bbc
Keir Smarmey is always willing to spend other people's money. His sole view is that the government should throw money at everything. He makes himself look foolish when he decries the council tax rise which is to pay for social care whilst simultaneously calling for higher taxes.
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11/01/2021 10:38:45 2 4
bbc
As opposed to Spaffer giving his mates billions in dodgy CV19 deals, along with a few gongs to boot.
90
11/01/2021 10:38:48 8 5
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When any MP is not in power they make huge promises that they never keep
There are not enough Tax or VAT returns to pay for pay increases in the Public sector in fact most of us have taken a huge pay cut the minimum being 20% mine is about 60%
137
11/01/2021 10:43:23 9 4
bbc
pay increases in the public sector really. There has been a pay freeze for the last ten years. False news!
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11/01/2021 10:39:00 20 12
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A huge saving is available to all councils if they are that strapped for cash.

Close the Final Salary Pension Schemes to future accrual. Protect benefits already earned and transfer all employees to a Defined Contribution Plan. That is what the private sector has had to do as FSPS's are unaffordable.

Every council is paying extra to fill the Pensions Deficit.
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11/01/2021 10:42:10 18 6
bbc
Final salary pension scheme stopped in Osborns first budget about 10 years ago. But, do not let that stop your rant!
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11/01/2021 10:43:47 8 2
bbc
Do keep up the final salary scheme finished years ago, it is mostly carear average now.
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11/01/2021 10:46:25 5 1
bbc
Yes I went through that exercise when I outsourced from Local Government to the private sector. True that it is expensive, but it should be remembered that many in LG are poorly paid and it is the one thing that attracts people to work for an LA, especially with numerous pay freezes and redundancies over recent years. It is very difficult to recruit highly qualified technical staff as it is.
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11/01/2021 10:53:37 4 2
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Why are you envious
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11/01/2021 10:39:05 5 11
bbc
The governments attempt of blaming the populace for an increase in Covid is a disgrace as they have allowed so many people to interact. Typical Tory blame game
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11/01/2021 10:42:40 2 5
bbc
Sorry, the message is very clear
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11/01/2021 10:43:36 2 2
bbc
If people took charge of their own culpability rather than looking to blame others as the easy option then the virus would not spread.
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11/01/2021 10:52:39 1 2
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The Conservative way always someone else's fault
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11/01/2021 10:29:26 704 325
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"... where over four million children grow up in poverty."
Is that Playstation poverty? Or are there 4m children starving to death because their parents need a 65" TV, a Sky subscription, and the latest mobile phone before food?
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11/01/2021 10:39:09 152 89
bbc
Correct. Absolute poverty has been continually falling globally. The UK has a functioning social benefit system, free education & free NHS. This is not poverty, which is why Left wing politicians 'make up' a new definition & call it 'Relative Poverty' instead...
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11/01/2021 10:58:47 11 11
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This is so out of touch, try living on it.
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11/01/2021 10:36:51 389 118
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I wish people would stop talking about "poverty" in the UK. Unless you have been to the backstreets of Calcutta or the hovels of the Congo you will not have witnessed people literally starving and dying on the streets. That is real poverty, not what passes for poverty here which often means not being able to afford the latest upgrade to one's smart phone or pack of 20 B&H to smoke while "gaming".
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11/01/2021 10:39:24 280 119
bbc
quite well said
rashford going on about starvation in this country is pathetic
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11/01/2021 11:49:31 28 23
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Rashford is having his strings pulled by some dark leftist forces who actually believe we live in a 3rd world country.
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11/01/2021 11:53:05 13 11
bbc
You do not believe some kids in this country are starving or you don't like Rushford?
ME
11/01/2021 12:40:15 11 11
bbc
Rash Ford is pathetic - he could cover the meals for children with his salary, but prefers to whine that other people aren’t doing enough while he sits on top of his £65m (and growing) fortune like a jealous miser, throwing stones at the government who actually have to work more than 90 minutes a week on annual salaries which are less than he gets paid in a week
11/01/2021 13:44:16 8 4
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Do you work with families on Universal Credit do you?You haven’t got a clue. There is a real underbelly of poor in this country who can’t afford food, let alone televisions and phones. But of course the right wing propaganda machines can always find you an exception.
11/01/2021 13:57:40 5 2
bbc
you're quite right. Marcus Rashford is a "pathetic" man for helping children who often don't know where their next meal is coming from. Perhaps if you actually cared, you'd realise that many people in this country are struggling. He also doesn't mention 'starvation'. It's staggering how many likes your hideous comment has.
11/01/2021 15:00:31 1 1
bbc
Oh you poor things it must be so hard for you having to live in those conditions. Oh wait you don't do you. You are just far right idealogues.
11/01/2021 15:08:04 1 2
bbc
Your pathetic
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11/01/2021 10:30:42 380 45
bbc
I don't normally agree with Captain Hindsight, but on this occasion I do. However, I would like him to explain how it gets funded.

The whole case of council funding and expenditure needs sorting asap. I am sick of paying silly amounts of council tax just to see them fritter the money away on vanity projects (the £100k for 10 trees in Blackpool) and consultants who get paid more than the PM.
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11/01/2021 10:39:24 200 177
bbc
One way would be not giving contracts to Tory donors without competition. Also ensure that those best able to pay a bit more tax do so, rather than send their money into off-shore tax havens, after all we keep hearing we are all in it together.
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11/01/2021 10:50:34 37 16
bbc
Labour would do exactly the same and proved during their spells in Government that rich people still get richer, its just a different set of cronies who benefit.

Also, not everybody in high tax incomes are sending their money to offshore tax havens. However, again, this happens under Labour.
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bob
11/01/2021 11:26:40 17 21
bbc
You do understand that the reason money is sent to offshore ‘tax havens’ is because tax here is too high in a competitive world don’t you? For every action there is a reaction - raise taxes and those that can offset it will.
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11/01/2021 11:41:22 19 16
bbc
It must be terrible living in a world in which all you see is right wing conspiracy theories whilst being taken in by rich Islington Tory lawyers like Starmer. You don't seem to have worked out that the Left creams it off as much as the Right.
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11/01/2021 11:40:44 14 12
bbc
In an emergency, there isn't time to spend months sorting out tenders, you just have to get on with it. Which means that some wrong decisions will be taken, but better than doing nothing at all. Also successful businesses tend to be run by well off, successful people, who are naturally much more likely to be Conservative supporters and doners.
857
11/01/2021 11:44:48 5 8
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Spot on.
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11/01/2021 11:45:34 15 16
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As it appears to be mostly Labour run councils frittering the money I can't see that it's contracts being given to Tory donors to be honest.
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11/01/2021 11:50:32 8 3
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I agree up to a point, but Labour gets union funding from the likes of Len McCluskey, which influences their policies in ways which are not always democratically accountable.
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11/01/2021 11:51:32 6 3
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You are living in Trumpian fantasy world of them and us. It works both ways; Starmer has made the speech today to coincide with the election of his candidate for the leadership of Unison, whose first action is to threaten strikes against the Govt whilst we are in the middle of a pandemic & of course not forgetting the 10 of thousands paid by Unison to Starmer's own leadership campaign.
11/01/2021 12:05:54 5 9
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Totally agree,this is the worst Government the UK has ever seen,billions given to Conservative "friendly" companies for useless Track & Trace and face masks,not a word about is they will get our money back,the likelyhood is,they will have commited the biggest case of "Mass" fraud the UK has ever seen and get the tax payers to pay for it !!!,we need an emergency election now .
11/01/2021 12:14:53 5 2
bbc
As I normally do I will refer you to an article in THE GUARDIAN (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/13/richest-britain-income-tax-revenues-institute-fiscal-studies) about who pays the most in taxes & that 42% of adults pay no income tax. If you want to level up then that is the area you need to target, get the plebs to pay more towards their own consumption
11/01/2021 12:18:46 2 1
bbc
Oh that is was just Tory politicians who were in it for the money and award contracts to mate.
11/01/2021 13:44:30 1 1
bbc
You sound like a Labour supporter.
11/01/2021 13:54:29 1 1
bbc
you think Labour donors are much better?
11/01/2021 14:01:08 2 0
bbc
The higher earners normally do pay higher taxes.
11/01/2021 15:45:28 0 1
bbc
That opportunity was missed when the good ship Brexit sailed on 1st January. Wealth hoarding and off-shoring can carry on as normal now.
12/01/2021 10:03:41 0 0
bbc
Sorry mate but Labour councils have the worst record of dishing out to mates and supporting the continuation of Union Closed Shops
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11/01/2021 10:34:42 5 4
bbc
Let me guess, Starner is the Devil?
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11/01/2021 10:39:27 0 3
bbc
Who is Starner?
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11/01/2021 10:39:28 4 7
bbc
Might just be me, but Starmer is a very uninspiring Labour leader. If I didn't know he was Labour already I would assume he was a moderate Conservative.
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11/01/2021 10:41:54 5 4
bbc
I would rather have someone who knows what they are talking about rather than someone who just blusters their way from one crisis to another.
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11/01/2021 10:47:09 0 2
bbc
Uninspiring maybe, but the best chance of Labour power in years. Labour tried 'big bang' politics with Jezzer, and it didn't land too well with the populous.
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11/01/2021 10:35:57 11 13
bbc
Sir Keir, keeping up the proud tradition of spending other people's money....it will run out you know.
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11/01/2021 10:39:29 2 3
bbc
No doubt your on high pension,whilst we have people like you we will never survival
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CPJ
11/01/2021 10:32:04 117 45
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I'd like to know who at the bbc selects news items that are able to be conversed on. It seems to me it is mainly storylines that will solicit most anti government comments.
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11/01/2021 10:39:32 5 3
bbc
Basically and a short response.

yes
I see the fantasy Capitol Hill mob are out in force today.
I wish they would move to the US and leave us in peace.
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11/01/2021 10:41:23 4 5
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How buildings did the DC protestors burn down?
How many businesses were ransacked?
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11/01/2021 10:47:53 0 3
bbc
let uk have the BLM mob