Moderna becomes third Covid vaccine approved in the UK
08/01/2021
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Seventeen million doses have been ordered by the UK and are expected to arrive in spring.
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Very Good News. The more the better!.
I'm only here for research.
Britain again leading the way in terms of robust (and independent) approval. Commendable
The EU and US have already approved this vaccine before us.
Leading the way on what. Approval nothing to do with the government. Johnson and Co spinning plaudits for work of others.
Bahrain and Israel did both before us
Britain follwed EU guidelines in approving, ( on an emergency basis), the vaccines.
Good news. Doesn't look like low uptake is going to be a problem at all, so it's down to the government now to get this rolled out at breakneck speed. Hoping the private sector gets involved too.
It ain't gonna happen that fast...
The first supplies of this vaccine to the UK aren't going to arrive until spring, because the UK didn't initially order any of this one, so we're well down the queue.
The first supplies of this vaccine to the UK aren't going to arrive until spring, because the UK didn't initially order any of this one, so we're well down the queue.
"... so it's down to the government now to get this rolled out..." I think I can begin to see an eensy-weensy problem just there.
Plus, why are we not going to be able to be injected with this until April? It's not mentioned in the BBC article, so it must be because of Brexit.
Plus, why are we not going to be able to be injected with this until April? It's not mentioned in the BBC article, so it must be because of Brexit.
Good news, the more approved vaccines the sooner we get out of this mess. Well done to all those involved in developing it.
A vaccine approved but not here is about as much use as a bucket with a hole in it. So many targets missed, including the 30m doses we were supposed to get in September 2020. How many people have died unnecessarily because those vaccines were not here and where we paid for the Oxford research, but have been left behind by countries that already have millions of doses.
The article quotes;
"People who have received a coronavirus vaccine should continue to follow social distancing rules to protect themselves and others."
So sadly there is no evidence that the vaccine will end 'this mess'.
Personally as soon as I get any of these vaccines I'm going back to the old normal.
"People who have received a coronavirus vaccine should continue to follow social distancing rules to protect themselves and others."
So sadly there is no evidence that the vaccine will end 'this mess'.
Personally as soon as I get any of these vaccines I'm going back to the old normal.
Well, if the government delivers them as they should be that is.
Now we're just dependant upon the numpties who couldn't organise a **** up in a brewery to get it into arms.
Excellent, what would be useful is to know how many shots of the vaccine are available in the next month.
We already know... none... we didn't get any orders in early for this. The earliest we're going to get this one is getting near easter.
Well done to the scientific minds behind this great achievement.
Hope it works well for everyone who has it, and the others, and prevents hospitalisation and deaths from covid.
And to those who discovered the curing value of Vitamin C and Vitamin D.
It’s their job........ and it’s actually no feat of engineering in their world to produce a vaccine.
We don't know yet how these vaccines will interact with other prescribed drugs on patients and we haven't a clue on long term side affects from a hastily rolled out cure for this particular flu bug, that changes as often as the goverment changes their mind on how to deal with it.
nope , more rubbish science
The Brexiteers won't be. Weren't they tired and fed up with experts?
China and Russia both have approved vaccines
Some of them deserve all the praise going whilst some of the government's so called experts are just political yes men who should not be allowed to wear a lab coat ever.
They're not going to sh#g you hat tipper.
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This is all words, pontification and faff. Typical tories. Give it two/three months and they'll be shown up for the charlatans they are. Hoping that the medics and folk on the front line will show them up before then.
Scientists. Yes. Politicians Nope. They can't even get the phials for the doses. Unsure what doses are to be presented. neither can they decide the first/second doses if you get picked. Complete and utter farce....
As do I. I also salute all the unknown and unsung volunteers around the UK and the World who have helped us all get here by participating in the various vaccine trials.
Tories I will not tip, apart from into touch.
if anyone one here thinks this virus is going away get it and survive, get it and die, so what.
It's not only the number of vaccines approved, but also the numbers of people injected the vaccines.
I was going to volunteer to help out at our local center, but after spending 25 minutes trying to complete the form I was quickly losing the will to live!!
woo hoo! The effort that has gone on in the scientific and medical community over the last year is truly impressive. Thanks.
capitalism...you like it when it works...don't tell the BBC
Exactly - and who reaps the government awards for all this effort ? Arise, "Sir" Lewis Hamilton ................. makes you proud, doesn't it
only to be ruined by politicians once more.
Can someone please make a vaccine that you can mix in beer. That way we can open up the pubs and half of the nation will be vaccinated within a week!
The most sensible thing you’ve said all week Donald. I know I’d be happily queuing at the bar to get my “vaccination”!
Most amusing...here in Scotland maybe lace Buckfast with it for the SNP followers ...
If only.
Wonder how it tastes in a Dark Porter or Stout and with the customary side dish of bag of crisps.
Sigh.....
Wonder how it tastes in a Dark Porter or Stout and with the customary side dish of bag of crisps.
Sigh.....
Copy and pasted from facebook ..
Maybe if we offered a free pint and MacDonalds with every vaccine more people would have it.
Amen!!!????????
Can Wetherspoons lead it?
Brexit vaccine too?
Can Wetherspoons lead it?
Brexit vaccine too?
Three questions for you Don....
Are you the real Donald?... And...
How come you`re still in a job after telling the phalanx of Police officers guarding Capitol Hill to "Back off and let the mob in"?
And finally, psychopaths are famously devoid of empathy or contrition...is this true, even after having five deaths directly attributable to yourself?
Are you the real Donald?... And...
How come you`re still in a job after telling the phalanx of Police officers guarding Capitol Hill to "Back off and let the mob in"?
And finally, psychopaths are famously devoid of empathy or contrition...is this true, even after having five deaths directly attributable to yourself?
thus summarises the government view of the Britisj public.
well done.
you did a really good thing.
ALCHOBOOZE.
getting drunk in a lockdown can only be a good thing.
well done.
you did a really good thing.
ALCHOBOOZE.
getting drunk in a lockdown can only be a good thing.
Have the FDA or EMA approved the OxfordAZ vaccine yet. Or will it only be used in the UK and India?
Time to stop telling us what you are going to do and start actually doing it.
Tory rhetoric, that’s why we got Brexit.
I would have thought that over a million people vaccinated is proof that they're doing something.
Ironic that we won't get this vaccine in the UK until late spring because of Brexit
Which is the ironic bit?
You know that vaccination in Europe is a shambles because of the EU right? Or are you just playing 'three wise monkeys' again?
Don’t really see how you come that conclusion, it’s says supplies will not arrive until the spring, but not because of Brexit.
Stop spreading fake news
Stop spreading fake news
Let's hope the roll out on this vaccine is better than the other two. Between them the Government and NHS England couldn't run the proverbial #### up in the proverbial brewery
That's the real reason they closed the pubs to avoid the comparison with running a brewery. :)
Compared to a closed pub, they are doing a sterling job!
Compared to a closed pub, they are doing a sterling job!
Britain again leading the way in terms of robust (and independent) approval. This along with vaccinating more than the whole of Europe! Commendable.
The EU approved this vaccine before us. Italy and gemany are vaccinating fast.
The UK was only able to cur corners
The UK was only able to cur corners
Taken from the article. "EU regulators have already approved the Moderna vaccine"......
Did you read it all mate or just skip down to the comments to write nationalistic BS? Removed
Did you read it all mate or just skip down to the comments to write nationalistic BS? Removed
All we need now are the vials, syringes and staff.
Another memo I've missed about it being a race!
We had the ability to go it alone before we left the EU.
The UK has some of the most advanced and world leading scientific and Epidemiological, Genome research and regulatory systems in the world. The continuity of that is very much based on co-operation & exchange of information with thier European and World counterparts.
The biggest challenge is whether we will we still have that in future.
The UK has some of the most advanced and world leading scientific and Epidemiological, Genome research and regulatory systems in the world. The continuity of that is very much based on co-operation & exchange of information with thier European and World counterparts.
The biggest challenge is whether we will we still have that in future.
The MHRA is not independent. It is an executive agency of - that is, part of - the Department of Health and Social Care. All this means is that it is treated separately for budgetary purposes.
Leading the way? In what exactly? Incompetence yes you blathering fool
Who cares whether we vaccinate more than Europe. Our roll out over here needs to improve to get us out of this horrendous lockdown. Focus on us and get on with it.
Well the UK needs to get 'ahead' with it's vaccinations because the rubbish gvt failed to bring in effective lock-downs quick enough and the British people couldn't follow simple instructions. Having to vaccinate a whole population of something that is preventable with some care and integrity isn't anything to be proud of!
So how is it that the French have only managed to vaccinate 7,000? The Editor of Bild (that's a German newspaper) says the EU has been a Covid shambles. But you'd know more than him, obviously
Approval of vaccines not yet available doesn't really matter.
Why are you people so f***king negative all the time? This isn't good news?
Err... I'm in full lockdown by a dictatorship style parliament and its raining for hours.
Are you complaining about people complaining?
Yes; I'm offended, appalled and upset.
It's not a complaint as such, but we don't currently have the people to actually give the vaccinations...........?
The fact we have 2 women who have driven 5 miles (in separate cars) to go for quiet walk in a country park have been given a £200 fines and told the coffees they have with them are not allowed because they are 'a picnic' is extremely worrying. The police are overstepping their powers. Its turning into a police state. This kind of thing worries me much more than Covid does. Scary times indeed.
Hi Terry, you are complaining that people are on here complaining. Physician heal thyself.
cops fining people going to the national parks
Have the FDA or EMA approved the OxfordAZ vaccine yet. Or will it only be used in the UK and India?
How are the EU doing with vaccines?
They've just secured 600 million doses!
How many have we got??
How many have we got??
Sluggish as usual. But hey, there's no hurry, is there?
Less widely, but they'll probably do it properly when they get around to it.
you might need a country of origin cert.
Surely the problem we have is not the number of vaccinations we have but the number of people trained to administer them? In 2019 is was estimated that more than 200,000 nurses have quit the NHS since the Conservatives entered government.
Tory lemmings wouldn’t understand.
Would love to see your Spearman Rank Correlation for that one.
The problem at present is the supply of vaccine to doctors etc in a ready to inject package. Doctors are being kept waiting and having to cancel appointments.
Good to see we have more options. Shame we have to wait for these vaccines. I'm desperate to get vaccinated and back to some degree of normal life.
Even if it was here, the capacity to administer is not quite there yet so it's not really a problem. We have enough to ensure the vulnerable will be vaccinated by mid Feb, that's the main thing.
So us everyone your turn will come just like mine will we just have to keep following the guidelines untill our turn vomes
That's not how it works. Life will only get back to normal after cases have reduced enough so that there's little chance of new transmission, even without immunity.
Not everyone can, or will, get inoculated and nobody knows how long any improved immunity will last.
Not everyone can, or will, get inoculated and nobody knows how long any improved immunity will last.
The EU will have access to the moderna vaccine from next week. We will have to wait until March.
Only 7,000 people have been vaccinated in France.1.3m in the UK.
How's the rollout going in the EU? I hear France has vaccinated almost a thousand so far, and The Netherlands are just starting. Not bad, eh?
And? We have access to the Oxford one now, the EU doesn’t.
Can I suggest you check out the real situation in the EU rather than cherry pick only news that makes the UK look bad. Euronews, France 24 good sites to start. People have died because Brussels has delayed OKaying vaccinations in th ename of unity. Hope Scottish people will take that into account when being told by the SNP how great life will be under the EU.
"No vaccine is 100% effective and it takes time for protection to build. [...] People who have received a coronavirus vaccine should continue to follow social distancing rules to protect themselves and others."
But this doesn't stop you publishing articles from an "angry" nurse who still caught it or trying to implicate the extended interval is to blame when she got it within 3 weeks anyway...
But this doesn't stop you publishing articles from an "angry" nurse who still caught it or trying to implicate the extended interval is to blame when she got it within 3 weeks anyway...
More fool the nurse for not being intelligent enough to understand vaccines. 95% protection means 1/20 people will STILL catch COVID-19 even after 2 doses of vaccine (ignoring the initial Immune system ramp up interval)
But if they didn't publish stories like that and it turned out it's a massive waste and public health risk to spread out the jabs I'm sure you'd be all over them for the exact same thing in reverse wouldn't you? They have a job to do and it's a public interest story
There are three points to a vaccine:
1. Will it stop you dying from the infection
2. Will it stop you getting seriously ill
3. Does it stop transmission
If you look at the peer review from AZ - Oxford it was 100% successful on the first two and reduced the asymptomatic transmission from a low figure to an even lower so may help with transmission.
Waiting for peer reviews on the others.
1. Will it stop you dying from the infection
2. Will it stop you getting seriously ill
3. Does it stop transmission
If you look at the peer review from AZ - Oxford it was 100% successful on the first two and reduced the asymptomatic transmission from a low figure to an even lower so may help with transmission.
Waiting for peer reviews on the others.
The valuable point about that part of the story is that just because (eventually) we'll have been vaccinated, it doesn't mean we'll be able to assume we're 100% safe. We should still take some sensible precautions until the virus has been wiped off the Earth as thoroughly as smallpox.
Well as Covid mutates vaccines will need updating
Our media will have a day of reckoning. Their politically driven under mining has caused more confusion and has been detrimental to people's mental health. Doing food deliveries I am told by vulnerable people how they scream at BBC & Sky news for their behaviours. BBC & SKY have undoubtedly seriously contributed to mental health and deaths during this pandemic. Be ashamed.
Approve as many as you like, I'm not taking one.
Sick of this government,.
Sick of this government,.
So what is your idea for getting out of lockdown and making sure people are safe? Would you rather get covid which is clearly very dangerous or get a vaccine?
That is fine. May be someone who is more deserving can have your jab.
Hope you don't fall ill, pass it on to someone else and them die.
Better being sick of the Government, than sick of Covid.
Better being sick of the Government, than sick of Covid.
Sick of anti vaxers
You really don't see yourself as part of the problem, do you?
Think you’ve been “sick” for along time now, just that you don’t realise it
One more for someone else then.
Having come through a serious dose of Covid I recommend anything that might prevent it,
Having come through a serious dose of Covid I recommend anything that might prevent it,
That's absolutely fine. By the time everyone has had the option to be vaccinated then most private companies will enact a policy of 'no vaccine no entry' as is their right, so you'll need it to get into pubs, restaurants, cinemas, workplaces, frankly everywhere that's not state run really. Everyone will be getting on while you will be sitting on a bench arguing with the pigeons. Enjoy.
Honestly, with the level of ignorance some people display towards scientific achievements like this, we should not bother explain the details in the news. just tell the public it is a form of alcohol and they'd consume it faster that way. And those who are genuinely interested can head to the relevant journals to read the full details of these vaccines
Genuinely agree!
I shall happily wait while such as you become early adopters of new technology. If RNA vaccines, regardless of adverse effects, confer immunity then by your potential sacrifice you offer benefit to more prudent members of the herd.
Better still tell them its Sovereignty
It is good news I agree but I don't want to read journals to know if the vaccine will abolish Covid or just stop me being very ill. Please someone tell me.
Will Covid be around like flu forever even after we start getting vaccinated.?
Will Covid be around like flu forever even after we start getting vaccinated.?
In other news Scientist have developed a new form of alcohol that will provide long lasting relief from any sense of feeling trapped in ones home. Instead of a drink the innovative new product is taken intravenously - a bit like that one time you need it to go on that holiday.
Coming in 3 different flavours a free sample of the Pfizer, Moderna or Oxford will be available to everyone soon.
Coming in 3 different flavours a free sample of the Pfizer, Moderna or Oxford will be available to everyone soon.
The people who make nasty comments are the ones who believe they won't get the virus. If they believed they could get ill, they'd be trying to bend the rules to get first in the line for a vaccination - ''I'm Brian!'' ''No, I'm Brian, and so's my wife!''
Come on - it is part of the BBC charter to educate and inform.
You heard that joke about put it in beer and the whole nation will be vaccinated in 2 weeks too then?
What makes me laugh is how many people in the UK are pushing all sorts of recreational drugs down their stupid throats that they cannot vouch for purchased from some low life pusher, yet something potentially life saving comes along that has had countless trials and they’ll be all suspicious
Consume less alcohol before posting & it might make some sense.
As to the alcohol reference I think anybody would need a drink after meeting you.Your name isn't Whitty by any chance is it .Muppet.
How are the EU doing with vaccines?
7,000 vaccinated in France. 1.3 million in the UK. You can take your fingers out of your ears now
Just imagine the hoops Countries in The EU are going to have to jump through to get it to them though .... and future guarantees concerning ‘EU control’ ... even more glad we are out !
Yeah we definitely need 600million doses! Enough for nearly 10 vaccinations each in the UK!
Overall, the UK has secured access to 340 million doses across four separate types of vaccine
Which isn't bad if you look at the relative populations. But it not just numbers ordered it's how many vaccinations have taken place. Again, UK is in front.
Which isn't bad if you look at the relative populations. But it not just numbers ordered it's how many vaccinations have taken place. Again, UK is in front.
The EU scheme is on the ropes, Germany have already sought out their own individual bilateral deals despite the EU commission president saying countries can't make there own deals. Not joining that scheme may have been one of the only good decisions Boris and his clowns have made.
You need two doses so the EU have only procured enough for half the population. The UK have procured around 350 million doses of various vaccines
But we have vaccinated more than them combined and we don't even need that many vaccines as we are a nation of only 67 million people....and don't forget, we are richer than them ;)
They haven't GOT them, they're just on order. Whereas the UK actually has enough in the country to vaccinate all those most at risk and more. As the old proverb says 'a bird in the hand is worth two (or even 600 million) in the bush'
Vaccines on order are not the same as in the arm. We are getting them in arms much quicker than EU countries.
700 million doses.
All we need now are the glass vials, syringes and staff.
And the vaccine too; we haven't taken delivery yet, just placed the order
If only we had access to a network of other countries where we could share the resources where they're needed without friction or barriers...
Another step towards normality. Long may it continue.
Three vaccines and counting. Hooray, Spring is starting to look good.
Sadly this one will be a while as European manufacturing plant in Switzerland only just started/is just about to start and the USA plant is pretty much all for the USA as Moderna is American. Even the EU, which orderered nearly 200million of this one, will receive very little of this vaccine in the short term. J&J/Janssen will probably be next into peoples arms provided results are good
Even once you've had your jab, you still have to social distance because you can still get it and pass it to others - you may not die but unvaccinated others will so no freedom until everyone is vaccinated
Great stuff, shame not arriving until late Spring
Another weapon in our fight. Together with a strong lockdown and border checks this should all point to a more effective return to normality - hopefully by summertime.
Shut up!
Have you been smoking something you shouldnt?
"gemany" cut corners by going behind the EU's back and ordering it's own doses of the Pfizer vaccine.
The UK has so far managed to vaccinate 4 times as many people as Germany, whilst Italy have vaccinated more under 30's than over 75's (the most affected group).
The UK has so far managed to vaccinate 4 times as many people as Germany, whilst Italy have vaccinated more under 30's than over 75's (the most affected group).
There's your inbuilt bias for all to see. If Britain approves (Oxford, Pfizer) first they are cutting corners, if EU approves Moderna first we are slowcoaches...
Oh, shut up!!
Well we don't desperately need it do we? Although every little helps. Guessing your name is a deliberate misnomer
The EU ordered 300 million doses of a vaccine before it was approved, and then stumbled when trialled. They are way behind. As usual!
Have the FDA or EMA approved the OxfordAZ vaccine yet. Or will it only be used in the UK and India?
Ja, Ja, Ja, Ja, Ja, Ja, ja, Ja, Jab me up!
Baby Jab me up, jab me up Baby jab me up.
Baby Jab me up, jab me up Baby jab me up.
Why did boris not order this last year? BBC and others should call out this mess. Boris went out his way to not work with the EU.
They did 7 million doses - read the article before commenting
Yawn The UK is well ahead of the EU. Get over it.
It's been ordered for months.
Really? You should do some reading before writing. We ordered millions of each of 7 vaccines across a broad range methodologies and geographical reliances. This included 7 million of the Moderna vaccine. I think the pragmatism and foresight in the ordering process has been very impressive indeed.
He did order some of this and several others last year. He has ordered more now that it is proven.
Is that actually true?
A quick google tells me the UK ordered 5 million Moderna doses is mid-November, plus another 2 million in late-November, plus another 10 million today - bringing the total to 17 million.
And even back in November, news was that the vaccine wouldn't be available until March.
Where are you getting this information that we're "at the back of the queue"?
A quick google tells me the UK ordered 5 million Moderna doses is mid-November, plus another 2 million in late-November, plus another 10 million today - bringing the total to 17 million.
And even back in November, news was that the vaccine wouldn't be available until March.
Where are you getting this information that we're "at the back of the queue"?
Good job we are not relying on it to vaccinate the most vulnerable categories then.
so what. We have enough of the others to meet the initial priority targets. If we can only jab up to 2m a week, we only need 24m up until Easter and Oxford/Pfizer have already committed to meet this demand. This new one will help treat the younger generation who won't get a look in on the jab until the summer/autumn.
We've got enough of our own vaccine so don't panic
And how many doses have the EU secured, and when will they get them?
Bearing in mind you have already claimed the Moderna vaccine is already being used in Europe, despite it only being approved two days ago.
Bearing in mind you have already claimed the Moderna vaccine is already being used in Europe, despite it only being approved two days ago.
We’ve made a good start. Stop looking at the negatives and applaud the positives.
Excellent news and hopefully we can turn the corner to defeat this horrible pandemic. Where I live, we just need the Welsh Assembly government to get their fingers out and show some real urgency and transparency in the vaccination programme.
It's Labour - not going to happen.
At least you're not in wales.
So you should be allowed to do just as you please? Short of money ? Assume you should be allowed to rob a bank, kill someone in the process and not be locked up, because you should be allowed to!
and no doubt being paid to sit on your sofa and write your utter drivel ! - i guess you are a 'glass empty' type person - not even half empty - sad .
Silly Billy! If I said what you really are you would report me.
Parliament that can’t logistically organise a jab in people’s arms
Boo Hoo!
Move to North Korea and try real dictatorship.
It’s freedom which allows people to continue spreading Covid by ignoring what most are doing to banish it.
Try going out and ignoring in China and NK and see where that gets you.....
Move to North Korea and try real dictatorship.
It’s freedom which allows people to continue spreading Covid by ignoring what most are doing to banish it.
Try going out and ignoring in China and NK and see where that gets you.....
Temporary, anonymous username, and full of angst... negative comment against anthing positive.
Try a smile, it might just help.
Try a smile, it might just help.
A 'dictatorship' you can get rid of at the next election if you so wish. Lockdown is to protect you from other people and to protect other people from you - just like traffic lights!
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It's not the lockdown that bothers me, it's that our Government once again left it to the last minute to impose it and thus added to the number of people suffering and dying. The failure of Government to ask promptly will also make the conomic consequences worse.
Now, how about a quick vaccine rollout? Anyone..? Boris..?
It isn't raining where I am. The sun is shining just now.
Now, how about a quick vaccine rollout? Anyone..? Boris..?
It isn't raining where I am. The sun is shining just now.
Hours, you're lucky, here in Notts it's been almost every day since August, and our local dictatorship is legendary! AND heard today from a patient two thirds of vaccinator's time is spent form filling. Criminal waste of the nurse's time.
But, hey, you're alive with enough time on your hands to be on HYS - life can't be that bad! Just imagine you were conscripted to work on the front line in that rain helping manage those queuing for the vaccine - now I'm guessing that really would be a challenge too far for you.
Maybe you can have a good think, read more widely and do some growing up while you are stuck indoors.
"dictatorship style parliament" makes about as much sense as calling a black hole "bright style".
You clearly understand neither term.
You clearly understand neither term.
It's great the givernment have had foresight to keep you indoors in the warm and dry if the weather is that bad ;)
Don't mess this up, Boris.
Too late for that, it's all about damage limitation at this point
Does Boris manufacture and release the drugs? Is he Field Marshall of the army? Does he run the NHS directly? Does he run PHE directly? Did he add the time-consuming amounts of paperwork for vaccinators? Does he control logistics? Etc. He can only do what a PM does - he has limited channels and input, other than making the key decisions (which we can blame him for).
What more is there to say which has not been said on similar threads here.
Well done to the scientists and participants.
Thank you to all the front line employees from the NHS to the military, teachers and shop workers.
Let’s hope the government can match the commitment and dedication of our key workers.
Stay safe and keep your distance one and all.
Happy new year.
Well done to the scientists and participants.
Thank you to all the front line employees from the NHS to the military, teachers and shop workers.
Let’s hope the government can match the commitment and dedication of our key workers.
Stay safe and keep your distance one and all.
Happy new year.
I certainly would not rate Boris and his chums as "key workers". Scientists, medics, teachers, shop workers, ... all contribute positively to our lives. Politicians???
I'd add transport workers - bus drivers, train drivers (and maintenance people), station staff etc - and delivery people, like postal workers, truck drivers, couriers and food delivery people. I thank them all - some have paid with their lives for keeping us supplied.
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Don’t really see how you come that conclusion, it’s says supplies will not arrive until the spring, but not because of Brexit. Stop spreading fake news"
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If it weren't for Brexit we'd be in the EU vaccination program... and that is now delivering this vaccine to people in the EU as we speak.
Because of Boris and brexit we aren't in that program
Reality, not fake news.
Don’t really see how you come that conclusion, it’s says supplies will not arrive until the spring, but not because of Brexit. Stop spreading fake news"
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If it weren't for Brexit we'd be in the EU vaccination program... and that is now delivering this vaccine to people in the EU as we speak.
Because of Boris and brexit we aren't in that program
Reality, not fake news.
Isn't strange how new drugs used to take years to get approved and now it's just a few weeks....
not really, life moves on, pople learn, etc etc
When the entire world is relying on them and ploughing cash in, funding is not an issue. That's often where the hold-up is, in normal times. Put the tin foil hat back in the cupboard.
isnt it strange how this news used to be only available at a specific time of the day on a specific tv channel and now its available 24/7 at the click of a button? its called progress
No, it's not strange at all when it's based on existing understanding and technology, mass funding without the delays of having to submit bid after bid, waiting for bids to be approved and building a research team around it only after the bid is approved, then a limited number of volunteers for trial.
The statement should be 'isn't it strange that some things take much longer than they need to?'
The statement should be 'isn't it strange that some things take much longer than they need to?'
It shows what can be achieved when we focus our efforts and provide the necessary resources and money.
Not strange if you educate yourself on the reasons why instead of trying to spread uneducated layman's opinions.
It's because, for once, the government properly funded the public sector research for the Astra-Zeneca drug and they were able to fast-track the process.
If the Tories hadn't cut the public sector (NHS, Universities, Colleges, Schools, Local Government) to the bone, the whole Covid scenario may not have been anywhere near as grim and shambolic as it is now and workers less exhausted .
If the Tories hadn't cut the public sector (NHS, Universities, Colleges, Schools, Local Government) to the bone, the whole Covid scenario may not have been anywhere near as grim and shambolic as it is now and workers less exhausted .
I'll bet there will still be "patriots" who demand the "proper British" jab instead.
already happening
you sad little loser
biochemists, immunologists, molecular biologists, virologists - I salute you all. You are unsung heroes
Our unsung heroes and jailers
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If this thing turns out to be man made, the "boffins" responsible had better invest in tin hats, they're going to need them.
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Do they get their own round of applause?
One thing the pandemic has shown is just how many of those mentioned there are
Hang about, they all managed to work out successful vaccines. It couldn't have been that hard?
These are indeed the real hero scientists, as opposed to the blinkered academics -- geeks, freaks, quacks, wonks, and witch doctors -- of the Sage committee and its shadowy satellites.
Not forgetting the engineers and engineering companies who added the advancement of medical science!
@"All we need now are the vials, syringes and staff."
Don't forget some vaccine to go in them as well....
The UK isn't due to get any until spring!
The EU and US are already putting it into people's arms as we type.
Don't forget some vaccine to go in them as well....
The UK isn't due to get any until spring!
The EU and US are already putting it into people's arms as we type.
Interesting quote from Euronews today: France accused of being behind vaccine shortage. Earlier this week, German politician Karl Lauterbach accused Paris of preventing the EU from buying too many Pfizer-BioNtech jabs to favour French competitor Sanofi, whose vaccine is still under development.
Strange how the Grauniad, the BBC, the Mirror, the SNP etc only report how badly the UK is doing.
Strange how the Grauniad, the BBC, the Mirror, the SNP etc only report how badly the UK is doing.
I believe they had failed to get past phase 2 ?
'Under development' is a polite phrase to describe the current Sanofi situation
Which isn't quite true since the Sanofi vaccine is being made in collaboration with GlaxoSmithKline and so can't really be claimed to be a 'French competitor'. FYI : for some reason I can't track down, this vaccine is behind in development.
Brexit voters do love to spew hate and try to sow mistrust between the UK and the rest of the EU / ROW dont they?
Negative comment after negative comment
The fact is we are all in this together
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Negative comment after negative comment
The fact is we are all in this together
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So glad were out of the EU now probably would only just be starting now that's if we were allowed to start by France and germany
One item. Ignoring of course why we are here. Do you check facts and figures, infections and deaths. They rest at the door of Johnson through inept leadership. That is the one thing any future inquiry, if wegetone, should look at.
This vaccine moderna was approved several days ago by the EU. Pfizer-Biontech vaccine and .oderna are the most effective.
The UK won't have access to the moderna one until March.
The EU will get the delivery on Monday.
The UK won't have access to the moderna one until March.
The EU will get the delivery on Monday.
I agree with your point about negative reporting of the UK response, but I don't think it helps to treat vaccination as some kind of competition. We need the EU and the rest of the world to be vaxed as soon as poss, otherwise we all remain in danger.
The other factor is that they just want to be sure that the vaccin is safe in order to avoid court case .there are presently 134 court case against government and ministers for their politics against covit .
am happy to say that the french judicial system is independent which is not the case in UK and many other countries.
am happy to say that the french judicial system is independent which is not the case in UK and many other countries.
I read that people involved in the Sanofi vaccine trials were showing false positive test results for HIV so it was back to the drawing board. That same report also criticised the EU for allowing itself to be bullied by the French into pre-ordering so many Sanofi doses at the expense of other options.
There was a short report tucked away on the BBC News channel yesterday that France had so far immunised 550 people since January 1st.
Not 550,000 or 55,000 five hundred and fifty!!!!
No fan of the clowns in Govt but at least the UK are getting 1000s a day jabbed.
Not 550,000 or 55,000 five hundred and fifty!!!!
No fan of the clowns in Govt but at least the UK are getting 1000s a day jabbed.
Strange how France (an EU member just in case you didn't know) is able to use its influence AS A MEMEBER to promote its own national interest.
Why didn't we think of that when we were members? Doh!
Why didn't we think of that when we were members? Doh!
Clearly you haven't actually read the BBC news coverage. The Beeb is covering the good stuff. If you're not noticing that, the question is why, what's different about you ?
Because Euronews can hardly be described as news.
Because it is doing very badly with the worst death rate in Europe by far.
It will always be so - until we get rid of these doom mongerers
The story is getting a lot of coverage in Germany if you want to know more. https://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/politik-inland/with-this-letter-by-jens-spahn-the-vaccine-disaster-in-the-eu-begann-74736986.bild.html
And the Daily Mail, with their never, never ending incessant terror headlines of doom and gloom, slagging, slagging and slagging the government off at every opportunity. The very same Government they begged, pleaded and grovelled the public to vote in over J C`s Labour. But then the Daily Mail think THEY are the government and run the country.
I presume the right-wing press, i.e., the majority, reported this to your satisfaction.
So if a German politician says something bad about Paris ( probably appeals to your anti French and Europe in general mindset) you take this as gospel because it suits you. If you'd bothered to open your ears and actually listened to the tripe that your beloved government has spouted throughout this pandemic then you may understand why some mistrust them
The national origin of a vaccine is immaterial. We shouldn't promote a 'British' vaccine over a 'French' vaccine, we should be promoting a safe and effective vaccine...full stop.
Instead we have the government promoting a less effective & potentially flawed vaccine simply because of its origin. No one is able to explain the flawed dosage of the Oxford vaccine and that is a major concern.
Instead we have the government promoting a less effective & potentially flawed vaccine simply because of its origin. No one is able to explain the flawed dosage of the Oxford vaccine and that is a major concern.
And yet we are endlessly urged to 'buy British'.
And the government ordered 100 million shots of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine but only 40 million of the Pfizer vaccine which came out earlier and has a higher success rate.
Bit like the French really.
And the government ordered 100 million shots of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine but only 40 million of the Pfizer vaccine which came out earlier and has a higher success rate.
Bit like the French really.
you dont underestand how many cases you and how many death in this "best" and "no 1" country every day: Highest in Europe. You could help Mr Johnson and his gang to be honest and find the famous "ditch".
Typical of France. Thank goodness we are no longer so closely linked to them.
Now the army are involved once they get into a routine it will be amazing how quickly the vaccine is taken all over the country
there is enough vaccine but not enough vials to put it in and not enough capacity in the one factory to fill the vials so I will be pleasantly surprised if I get my jab (as an over 70) by mid Feb
Not all those in the vulnerable group are able to have it though. Some of them have medical issues/allergies to vaccines and aren't able to take it. For some, they may have to wait until the antibody jab is available.
I gave you a thumb up for humour in these miserable times.
However not a real reason.
However not a real reason.
Very good. Now will they please vaccinate properly - 3 weeks, not 3 months, between innoculations, as per manufacturers' instructions.
Even though we are said to be ahead of Europe, I bet they vaccinate properly (I hope they do) and their level of protection will, probably, consequently be higher.
Even though we are said to be ahead of Europe, I bet they vaccinate properly (I hope they do) and their level of protection will, probably, consequently be higher.
You know all this, do you?
The WHO and the vaccine producers have said the time between doses does not impact it's efficacy. It is better to do more people with a first does than to do half with two doses.
The EU has already given advise that the interval can be extended beyond 3 weeks.
Remember the 2nd dose is just a booster. The 1st dose provides the bulk of the protection.
With millions more doses than we need we could administer a 3rd dose 3 weeks after the 2nd if need be, but getting 90% of the protection to more people does make sense for now.
Remember the 2nd dose is just a booster. The 1st dose provides the bulk of the protection.
With millions more doses than we need we could administer a 3rd dose 3 weeks after the 2nd if need be, but getting 90% of the protection to more people does make sense for now.
I agree in the case of Pfizer/BioNTech.
There is some evidence that a longer interval is better for the Oxford vaccine.
Optimum dosing for the Oxford seems still to be uncertain.
There is some evidence that a longer interval is better for the Oxford vaccine.
Optimum dosing for the Oxford seems still to be uncertain.
If your goal is to prevent the spread of an infection during a pandemic, getting 75% immunity for X% of the population is far more effective than full immunity for X/2% of the population. Gets the R rate down quicker and saves more lives overall.
It's just possible that the country's top virologists and epidemiologists know more about this than some Grumpy Manc relieving his frustration on HYS Removed
It's just possible that the country's top virologists and epidemiologists know more about this than some Grumpy Manc relieving his frustration on HYS Removed
Should anyone who doesn't take a vaccine without a valid medical reason be allowed out of lock down or are they a danger to others and should be asked to stay in isolation until this is over?
No, they should be forced to sign a waiver to access to a ventilator in the event they need hospital treatment.
I never have the flu vaccine, had Covid 19 in April and was fine I will not be partaking of any of the Covid vaccines I find your question rather odd.
I say let them out earlier. that way they can catch it quicker and take their chances with the grim reaper as thats their choice. why should they wait until heard immunity is achieved!
Good question and I'm sure that's being considered, depending on how well we get this under control. I'd imagine, also, they will have problems with their 'Benidorm holidays' - I hear countries will almost certainly require a vaccine certificate before entry (along with a negative test) for some time to come - that will affect them more!!
(I am pro-vaccine) but I think even if you've had the vaccine you can still carry the virus. So vaccinated or not, for now it doesn't matter, it's about herd immunity. Those choosing not to be vaccinated ultimately will be putting themselves at risk
All we need now are the glass vials, syringes and staff.
We have enough vaccine in the country to complete the vaccination of all those up to and including group 4. The only issue is putting it in vials and getting batch approval both of which are being dealt as quickly as is possible. But don't let facts and truth get in the way of your whinging
Excellent news. Now let's get it out, into people's arms, and get our lives back. 24/7 vaccination effort - nothing is more important right now.
i agree. but the astounding entitlement and lack of any grasp of context from this ignorant population would mean them complaining about not getting to choose a slot after before corrie starts
Deluded if you think you can go back to normal - won't happen for a long long while, if ever
Hope you understand getting vaccinated isn't the be all & end all. We'll have to carry on with all other measures for a while until the case numbers drop conclusively.
Vaccination isn't possible, and doesn't work, for every individual. The aim is protect the entire population by reducing transmission.
Vaccination isn't possible, and doesn't work, for every individual. The aim is protect the entire population by reducing transmission.
Given that the vaccination centres are, in part, being staffed by volunteers are you going to sign up for the overnight shift?
For those that are refusing to have injections in thier arms-its also soon to be trialed in Pessary form.
We just need volunteers- To administer it
We just need volunteers- To administer it
Can someone please make a vaccine that you can mix in beer. That way we can open up the pubs and half of the nation will be vaccinated within a week!
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Don’t really see how you come that conclusion, it’s says supplies will not arrive until the spring, but not because of Brexit. Stop spreading fake news"
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If it weren't for Brexit we'd be in the EU vaccination program... and that is now delivering this vaccine to people in the EU as we speak.
Because of Boris and brexit we aren't in that program
Reality, not fake news.
Don’t really see how you come that conclusion, it’s says supplies will not arrive until the spring, but not because of Brexit. Stop spreading fake news"
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If it weren't for Brexit we'd be in the EU vaccination program... and that is now delivering this vaccine to people in the EU as we speak.
Because of Boris and brexit we aren't in that program
Reality, not fake news.
Oh yeah, the EU vaccination programme which wasn't 'allowed' to start until 3 weeks after ours, in case any of its member states tried to jump the gun.
I do hope Bozo and his chums get the vaccine distribution right.
Up to now this govt's response has been utterly shambolic.
Up to now this govt's response has been utterly shambolic.
I think you're telling porkies there. Unusual for a remoaner, lol.
Sulk's not a details man, he just throws £$%& at the wall and hopes that some of it sticks
regardless, I'm sure their chums will earn out of it like they did during lockdown mk1
1976 swine flu vaccine for example!
The EU and US have already approved this vaccine before us.
Dear woke brigade,
How's that EU joint vaccine procurement going that we didn't join?
How's that EU joint vaccine procurement going that we didn't join?
Stormed any Capitol Buildings recently my swivel-eyed compadre?
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Well, that joint vaccine program is already taking deliveries of the Moderna vaccine and putting it into people's arms.
Today the EU signed a contract to buy 300 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine
Most will not be delivered until the 3rd and 4th quarter of this year
Up to 75 million does are due to be delivered sometime during the second quarter only enough for 37.5 million people out of 447 million in EU
By which time everybody over 50 will have been vaccinated in the U.K.
Most will not be delivered until the 3rd and 4th quarter of this year
Up to 75 million does are due to be delivered sometime during the second quarter only enough for 37.5 million people out of 447 million in EU
By which time everybody over 50 will have been vaccinated in the U.K.
Can’t you just celebrate good news without having to get a negative Brexit jibe in? Time to move on now.
lucky Britain has its own vaccine by AZ
How's the death rate in the EU compared to the UK would be a more intelligent question.
How are the EU doing with vaccines?
If not getting us all killed is what clowns do, then I'm sure they'll take that title happily.
No
No, it was the Government who ordered it. The scientists provided their advice.
No. You must be very happy with all that blood on your hands - just how many poor souls have you, effectively, killed?
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I think you are confusing scientists with the people who placed you in your secure unit . They need to know that you are not taking your medication.
might be a waste of money considering the xenophobic over 50s will want "an english one"
Really? Grow up.
I wonder that you took the time to post that.
Bore off.
With it's 70% performance. Their problem not ours.
Suggest you go to France instead then and see how their roll out is going.
What a wonderful assumption that over 50's are all xenophobic. I'm 61 and don't care which one I get when it gets to my turn, and my mother is 86 and also isn't bothered about the country that developed it. We're more concerned with the idiots (from observation mostly under 50) that won't do social distancing or wear masks and helped to ensure that the pandemic is still going.
So all over 50's are xenophobic? At 73 I must be an truly odd? Strang I find my self arguing with 20 to 50 odd idiots who have severely damaged this country with Brexit. It is the clever manipulative populist politicians you need to attack