Covid-19: Surge leaves key hospital services 'in crisis'
14/01/2021 | news | health | 2,151
England's cancer, critical care, A&E and routine treatments all hit as hospitals accommodate virus patients.
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14/01/2021 12:11:57 391 76
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If you saw the article about kids' lunch parcels yesterday worth less than 5 quid while the state is being charged 30 quid for them then just imagine the scale of mismanagement when it comes to public money in NHS. Atllee is turning in his grave.
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14/01/2021 12:17:27 109 117
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It was actually incorrectly reported that the "state" was paying £30 for it. Where in fact it was £10.50.
As postage, processing and £5 worth of food your at a £10.
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14/01/2021 12:17:32 35 24
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I’m sure there is but the lunches thing was is private sector delivered. The NHS is quite good at tendering and has set processes. The lunch boxes if anything highlight the strength of the NHS
The state was charged £10.50 not £30. That's not to say £10.50 is cost effective for a fiver's food but exaggeration or misrepresentation is unhelpful nonetheless. Removed
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14/01/2021 12:18:11 49 3
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Anyone supplying the Government automatically doubles the bill, but the Government will not stop outsourcing stuff like this, so ends up being ripped off.
Another factually incorrect statement. no one, no where was charged £30 for the ONE week, ONE child food parcels. They were £11.50 Per Week per ONE child for 5 lunchtime meals. When vouchers are issued, they are in domination of £15 and they are given ONCE per TWO weeks, equating to a £30 payment ONCE per TWO weeks . Nothing likes FACTS to get in the way of click baiting though is there! Removed
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14/01/2021 12:32:27 12 16
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We need another government like his as a matter of urgency.
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14/01/2021 12:45:43 5 2
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To quote men from the ministry "it's only public money"
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14/01/2021 12:46:50 10 6
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what the parcel from a company in Rashford's own taskforce? Did Mr Rashford not check their standards in December? Because he is of course dealing with everything personally. People is glass houses?
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14/01/2021 12:50:11 4 5
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The problem with stupid nanny state food parcels is they pay people to pick pack and deliver them! All adding to the cost hugely. When those acts are done by ordinary people as part of living life not for a wage! Food parcels are a stupid crazy idea, even when posh expensive veg box like systems.
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cba
14/01/2021 12:56:14 4 5
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Its,s just another example of mafia run uk
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14/01/2021 12:38:20 2 1
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You do realise that much of the NHS is privatised ? That school meals you mentioned were also privatised ?
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14/01/2021 13:16:07 3 4
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Outcomes are just not measured in the public sector - well not seriously

Hence why the NHS is less effective that pretty much every other western European health system where outcomes are measurable

I will say Doctors have a great retirement though
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14/01/2021 13:00:45 5 1
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That was fake news that the BBC were happy to leave on their website of views all day yesterday, and funnily enough are still happy to allow to persist in this comment being at the top of the list.
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14/01/2021 13:36:17 5 0
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When I oversaw a school, we found it was cheaper and better to source services ourselves rather than let the local authority do it on our behalf, even though they had scale to help them negotiate. There is a lot of waste in the public sector. Not that the private sector doesn't waste money in other ways, though.
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14/01/2021 13:42:21 0 3
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Give the families the money directly then there's no need for the high logistics costs.
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14/01/2021 13:20:57 6 2
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The company involved in the fiasco was actually bigged up by Mr Rashford initially.....but you will only find that mentioned on Guido Fawkes ( probably one of the best and factually accurate sites these days)
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14/01/2021 13:46:23 2 1
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youre spreading opinion not fact - give some numbers or please refrain from poor causal assumptions
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14/01/2021 13:52:29 5 1
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Fed up with the hysteria over this - it was inaccurately reported by the parent. Kids typically get 1/2 potato with beans of cheese topping, bit of sponge and piece of fruit at school. I fed mine a sandwich and yoghurt when they were growing up - generally they ate the filling and left the bread. Not sure what people 'expect' for kids lunch parcel given Jamie's downer on turkey twizzlers
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14/01/2021 12:13:50 132 6
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Scary stuff, one things for sure it wont just have been the people who died with covid that this disease has and will kill in the coming weeks months and years.
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14/01/2021 12:14:54 104 9
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And they will all be victims of the pandemic, whether directly or indirectly. #loveforthelost
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14/01/2021 13:50:10 16 9
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'The disease' won't have killed those missing out on cancer diagnoses and treatments. What will have killed them is the government's response to it aided and encouraged by the rest of parliament and the mainstream media.

Countless thousands of people who would have had many years of life left have been sacrificed to protect people with very little life left. As cold as that sounds, it's reality.
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14/01/2021 13:54:20 4 1
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Which makes u wonder why UKgov not more nuanced.
No NHS then no icu etc.. So definitely vaccinate NHS to save sickness, infections and shielding.
Prev reports men, bame were more at risk.. Yet those categories don't appear in vaccination groupings.
In prep for NHS covid recovery.. Pre vaccinate 'at risk' elective surgeries 2 weeks before surgery.
UKgov vacs show no post covid recovery push.
14/01/2021 15:05:32 5 8
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no, the lock-down 'cure' for it will kill, let's not be mealy mouthed about it, the Covid Cultists were quick enough to accuse people of having 'blood on their hands' even to 'murdering' people, well let them accept what they've been told for months, lock-down kills & will kill more than the virus, up to May last year 15,000 of the excess mortality was NOT covid, that is out of 72,000.
14/01/2021 16:17:42 1 0
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yeah and airports still open for travel
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14/01/2021 12:14:27 5 14
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What did you seriously expect to happen in a fudging pandemic BBC?
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14/01/2021 12:16:50 13 2
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Did you expect them not to report on it ? Some people , expecting news organisations not to report on news .
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14/01/2021 13:43:27 0 1
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Government competence perhaps?
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14/01/2021 12:14:52 8 18
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Hopefully, the pandemic will be the catalyst for long-needed NHS reform. Replace with an Israeli-style system, maybe. Four private providers competing for government funds - seems to work for them.
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14/01/2021 12:23:10 4 6
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Yep - marked down with the zeal of the hardest-core Trump supporter.
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14/01/2021 13:13:20 0 0
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It may well work in Israel, but perhaps their Govt procurement and legal teams are a bit better than the UK Govt's at their jobs.......
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14/01/2021 12:13:50 132 6
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Scary stuff, one things for sure it wont just have been the people who died with covid that this disease has and will kill in the coming weeks months and years.
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14/01/2021 12:14:54 104 9
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And they will all be victims of the pandemic, whether directly or indirectly. #loveforthelost
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14/01/2021 13:37:21 6 0
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Please, not the hashtags!!
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14/01/2021 14:00:40 8 5
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No, the people that die from a lack of cancer care, for example, died because of the response to the pandemic. When this is looked back on in years to come it may be recognised that the response killed more than it saved, especially if you take years of remaining life into account. But that debate has never been had by policy makers.
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14/01/2021 14:09:35 6 15
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Not so much "victims of the pandemic" as "victims of media hysteria and ludicrous government over-reaction to an illness that has still (despite best efforts to inflate the numbers with dodgy statistics) killed no more people than influenza did in 2018".
14/01/2021 14:57:26 1 2
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They will really be victims of governmental understaffing for the last 10 years. It is a person made crises, made worse by decisions people have made over the years to restrict medical and nursing training. The pandemic just shows up the lack of forward planning.
14/01/2021 15:08:01 4 8
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They will be victims of the panic lock-down reaction, no excuses, HMG and HYS have been told for close on a year lock-down kills, the UN has been saying it too, but no, the hysteria over the virus took hold. No excuses, anyone who wanted lock-down despite the evidence has to accept they chose so save the elderly sick at the expense of the young, just as HMG chose the NHS rather than care homes.
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14/01/2021 12:15:02 21 4
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Is anyone surprised?
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14/01/2021 13:09:53 2 1
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No.
14/01/2021 16:29:29 0 1
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not with airports staying open
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14/01/2021 12:15:18 175 59
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We all know the NHS is struggling BBC but could you do you job and start reporting on other news as well. ie how are other countries like our close neighbours France and Spain coping with covid.
Can’t find anywhere if their numbers are increasing/ decreasing or any other news beyond the BBC’s same stories day after day!
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14/01/2021 12:18:26 93 11
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Have you tried their national media ?
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14/01/2021 12:20:03 17 29
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They daren't, because we are doing worse than just about anywhere.
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14/01/2021 12:37:24 13 8
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Can't agree, the fact that other countries are also crap doesn't make us good, even in comparison - ask anyone who hasn't seen their elderly parent for 11 months...
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14/01/2021 12:41:50 19 3
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then it might look like everyone was struggling not just the UK?
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14/01/2021 13:06:13 20 7
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It may be worth looking at the WHO website- they usually give daily figures for every country - some with a 24 hour time lag while data is collated. Worth noting that Germany- a model of efficiency and control according to some, has recently had days with over a thousand fatalities. But hey ho - blame the Tories.
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14/01/2021 13:17:45 5 0
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Go on "worldometer coronavirus" its updated everyday, everywhere. Type in for example: French news in English etc. I constantly look for good news on this but its hard to find.
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14/01/2021 13:21:48 4 17
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Spain and France well below UK numbers. Facts are there if you look for them. Perhaps you do want to-wonder why.
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14/01/2021 13:30:36 2 0
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You could just Google "Covid case count". It's not hard and doesn't require a news agency.
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14/01/2021 13:32:13 4 6
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Specifically on the Covid front; I'm still waiting for the Impartial BBC to do one of their famous "what if"/"could have" speculation pieces on how much cash the UK has saved by not having to pay towards the EU's EUR 500b Covid rescue plan.

As a net contributor member to the EU, it would surely have been substantial.

Yet every negative POTENTIAL impact of Brexit was always "analysed" to death.
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14/01/2021 14:01:47 2 1
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I couldn't agree more....!
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14/01/2021 14:02:10 2 2
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Lol bbc reported emergency in s Korea in past month when covid+ cases rose to 1000 a day.
Issue is UK covid+ have never been less than 4,000 a day since mid September!! Yet bbc silent on comparisons.
Google 's Korea covid' for interactive graph. Then change to UK for comparison. Careful to note scales Uks is in 10,000 per unit, S Korea is in 500 I think. Taiwan is in 10s. Highlights ukgov fails!
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14/01/2021 14:03:53 5 0
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Johns Hopkins University website tracks Covid cases and deaths worldwide daily, excellent summary but obviously depends on accuracy of info from country concerned
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14/01/2021 14:18:56 4 3
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Well it was mentioned in one of the press conferences that France had similar numbers in November and they weren't even in lock down then, yet somehow they managed to cope..

An extra winter surge with Covid was expected but it wasn't PLANNED and PREPARED for, Boris and his clowns had months to get the right PPE etc, regardless of a new variant SAGE said in the summer what was going to happen.
14/01/2021 14:30:20 1 6
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Why do you care what other countries figures are - we left Europe. Only our figures matter
14/01/2021 14:37:14 3 7
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It's the BBCs blatant scaremongering that annoys me. In a country of 67m there are bound to be a small number of healthy young people dying. How about a feature on the 95 year old with multiple health conditions who survived it? No, didn't think so.
14/01/2021 14:49:45 2 1
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Try watching/ reading Euronews ................... Have to say that their TV coverage is pretty good and seems balanced. Germany, France & Spain are in worst state than UK at present.
14/01/2021 14:52:17 3 1
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The death-rate is actually not a competition between the UK and EU, except in your mind
14/01/2021 15:14:48 1 2
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Germany is suddenly in the news, as is China, lock-downs not working there either.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/first-china-death-since-april-022338018.html
14/01/2021 15:22:59 1 3
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If you have Sky, watch Euronews. Balanced and fair reports on how other countries are coping. Will surprise you how well the UK is coping in comparison.
14/01/2021 15:28:03 3 7
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Sorry the BBC cant do that, they have an anti Government left wing agenda to follow, and this is what they consider their best propoganda tool
14/01/2021 15:49:27 1 0
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World figures give some indication as to where we sit :-

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
14/01/2021 16:18:23 2 1
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EU is doing just as bad as UK with handling Covid....all have open borders
14/01/2021 16:28:55 1 0
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If you are in the UK what does it matter what is happening in other countries? It is not a competition on who is doing the best or worst.
14/01/2021 17:17:06 3 1
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Our closest neighbours’ news has always had poor coverage by all British media. No wonder there was so much ignorance about the EU.

The Covid stats for every country in the world are available at the worldometer website.
14/01/2021 17:12:29 0 2
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Because ADVERTISING - BBC needs to pay bills and wages
14/01/2021 17:30:35 2 0
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Go https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases - you don't have to rely on the BBC for everything you know. This is the 21st century and we the have the Internet!!
14/01/2021 17:47:06 0 0
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I use the BBC website to catch up on the news but to sit and watch the BBC news on TV in the evening no flippin way as I don’t have a ready supply supply of Prozac as i don’t know about you all I find the never ending lock downs depressing enough
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14/01/2021 12:16:02 36 13
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Well there's a surprise. Unfortunately the fallout from all this will make Covid look like a cake walk
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14/01/2021 13:24:06 12 4
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And it's self inflicted, which makes it doubly painful.
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14/01/2021 12:16:08 10 10
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Unfortunately the Managers in charge of allotment of cancer surgery in London are playing politics with one another and not utilizing the offer from private providers appropriately.
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14/01/2021 12:29:24 4 0
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That's quite odd considering the amount of millions the government have handed to private hospital healthcare.
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14/01/2021 12:16:48 93 34
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Would be sensible to see the figures for those DYING OF ANY CAUSE WITH A NEGATIVE TEST RESULT WITHIN 28 DAYS.
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14/01/2021 12:28:44 61 7
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I still don't know why 28 days is a magic number. If people die on day 29+ from C19, they are not counted?
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14/01/2021 12:32:06 10 1
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See the office of national statistics website where you'll also see the datatdata this story is based on.
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14/01/2021 12:57:22 7 0
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why?
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14/01/2021 13:36:37 0 0
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Some detail of excess deaths in England over or below the five year average can be seen here :-

https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/static-reports/mortality-surveillance/excess-mortality-in-england-latest.html
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MB
14/01/2021 13:59:11 4 0
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What would that tell you except what we already know. on average between Mar and Dec last year there would have been expected 366442 deaths (average for 5 years). But there were 436387 deaths. There have been 69925 more deaths due to Covid. Publishing the number of people that die normally would just tell us that lots of people die every year but because of Coved 20% more people are dying.
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14/01/2021 14:00:55 5 0
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Why....do yo still believe the scale of this is being exaggerated?
14/01/2021 15:34:54 1 1
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Then 28 day thing was conjured up by the nasties early on when the real figure became a tad unpalatable. The figure in excess of the 5 year year average is the key - undeniable and set in stone so that even corrupt governments cannot twist.
14/01/2021 16:21:00 0 1
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Covid needs better treatments. vaccine is only half of it..plus you need to test at borders
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14/01/2021 12:14:27 5 14
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What did you seriously expect to happen in a fudging pandemic BBC?
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14/01/2021 12:16:50 13 2
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Did you expect them not to report on it ? Some people , expecting news organisations not to report on news .
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14/01/2021 13:45:40 0 0
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Quite right - it disrupts their view of the world and makes them 'anxious' as they carry on doing as they wish. Oh, and stop being so beastly to that nice Mr Johnson who has sent all the foreigners home (hasn't he?)!
14/01/2021 15:56:57 1 0
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I fully expected the BBC to report it and they didn't disappoint.
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14/01/2021 12:17:05 8 21
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The BBC just now realises that "COVID has a calamitous impact on surgery wait times". Maybe the BBC will one day recognise that the shutdown has a calamitous impact on the whole of society, the economy, mental and physical health, family disputes etc..
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14/01/2021 12:33:25 3 1
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Maybe one day you're read the story above. ??
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pTc
14/01/2021 12:42:18 1 1
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I note the down votes. Seems people cannot handle the uncomfortable truths of life. The National Covid Service, has failed many people bu denying them service for almost a year.
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14/01/2021 13:25:37 1 1
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Economies quicker into lockdown have fared better. Because people can resume normal life again sooner. Which is also good for mental health. It's a myth that lockdown is worse for the economy than no lockdown, if you look beyond a 4 week time horizon.
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14/01/2021 12:11:57 391 76
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If you saw the article about kids' lunch parcels yesterday worth less than 5 quid while the state is being charged 30 quid for them then just imagine the scale of mismanagement when it comes to public money in NHS. Atllee is turning in his grave.
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14/01/2021 12:17:27 109 117
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It was actually incorrectly reported that the "state" was paying £30 for it. Where in fact it was £10.50.
As postage, processing and £5 worth of food your at a £10.
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14/01/2021 12:23:17 36 20
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I'm sorry but your maths still doesnt work out. The value of the food was about a fiver if you bought it yourself from the shop, but the government would be getting this stuff in bulk which should reduce costs.

Even with 15 quid processing and a fiver of food that still begs the question where that other tenner went...
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14/01/2021 12:39:20 11 13
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Oh thats alright then Con man
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cba
14/01/2021 12:58:35 2 0
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Depends where you buy your food, in my local supermarkets that is no where near £5 worth. rip off and a scam
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14/01/2021 12:38:55 2 4
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So you support government failure regardless of the cost
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14/01/2021 13:44:56 1 0
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If so that was a silly idea to spend 50% of the cost on postage!! Would a electronic voucher scheme worked better.
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14/01/2021 12:17:28 17 11
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This is the hidden cost of Covid and the trade off between the cost of saving a Covid life as opposed to someone dying of something else - unquantifiable but the message must be that lockdowns and there horrific impact are an absolute last resort and should be lifted at the earliest possible moment - time will tell if this was the best way to manage a pandemic - i suspect not
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14/01/2021 12:20:13 22 10
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Lockdowns need to be early and short and sweet, boris prefers late as possible and they drag on
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14/01/2021 13:23:16 2 1
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Actually if they were not a last resort, our economy would be the better for it. Lockdowns work and enable the economy to function after. But they need to be applied early, consistently, and rigidly.
14/01/2021 16:56:52 0 1
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cost of keeping borders open and not testing
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14/01/2021 12:11:57 391 76
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If you saw the article about kids' lunch parcels yesterday worth less than 5 quid while the state is being charged 30 quid for them then just imagine the scale of mismanagement when it comes to public money in NHS. Atllee is turning in his grave.
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14/01/2021 12:17:32 35 24
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I’m sure there is but the lunches thing was is private sector delivered. The NHS is quite good at tendering and has set processes. The lunch boxes if anything highlight the strength of the NHS
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14/01/2021 12:35:43 24 2
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Any Government procurement is usually a very poor deal for the tax payer and is certainly not value for money.
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14/01/2021 12:47:49 5 1
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You clearly have no idea how much the NHS is paying for the use of private facilities
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14/01/2021 13:57:19 1 0
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Well said.
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14/01/2021 12:17:34 8 10
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It's Winter. The NHS is always in dire straights. My mother worked on an medical unit and said its been the same for a least a decade. Not uncommon for people to be waiting in A+E for 18-20 hours for a bed.
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VoR
14/01/2021 13:21:55 0 1
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This is not comparable. Acute emergencies are now being affected, not just broken limbs etc.
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14/01/2021 12:17:54 26 12
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Sadly many believe it’s all a hoax. It’s important studies are done on what make a sizeable population stare at the obvious but still refuse to accept the reality in spite of having first world education.
Surely many factors are involved.
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14/01/2021 12:21:17 28 10
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Alas , as earlier referenda and public opinion polls show , vast parts of this nation are under educated .
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14/01/2021 12:28:59 4 1
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Social media being one of the factors, many folk, some intelligent have fell into conspiracy rabbit holes and believe Anything after 10 minutes of so called research
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14/01/2021 12:31:15 1 5
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How many people? Do you have a source?
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14/01/2021 13:03:31 1 1
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Don't confuse denial with disbelief.

In my experience, the majority are those who accept Covid is a real virus but just don't believe that the imposed response is proportionate to the threat. They are trying to truly comprehend the facts and debate the conclusions.

It seems that context has been ignored and only extreme polarised views are now allowed. I agree that "many factors are involved"
14/01/2021 16:32:23 0 1
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well the hospital thing is a hoax...MSM can't even film the overwhelmed hospitals
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14/01/2021 12:11:57 391 76
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If you saw the article about kids' lunch parcels yesterday worth less than 5 quid while the state is being charged 30 quid for them then just imagine the scale of mismanagement when it comes to public money in NHS. Atllee is turning in his grave.
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The state was charged £10.50 not £30. That's not to say £10.50 is cost effective for a fiver's food but exaggeration or misrepresentation is unhelpful nonetheless. Removed
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GW
14/01/2021 12:39:45 1 5
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Oh its alright then Con
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14/01/2021 13:40:53 4 0
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do you believe the article that states the charge was £10.50?
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14/01/2021 12:11:57 391 76
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If you saw the article about kids' lunch parcels yesterday worth less than 5 quid while the state is being charged 30 quid for them then just imagine the scale of mismanagement when it comes to public money in NHS. Atllee is turning in his grave.
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14/01/2021 12:18:11 49 3
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Anyone supplying the Government automatically doubles the bill, but the Government will not stop outsourcing stuff like this, so ends up being ripped off.
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14/01/2021 12:25:48 37 4
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It's the taxpayer that keeps getting ripped off. Private supplied services including NHS rail, administration, sale of public buildings and re rental and maintenance, etc, routing more tax money to the rich.
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14/01/2021 13:00:04 5 2
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If you supply the public sector you have to add extra for all the bureaucracy that you wouldn't have to deal with in a private sector transaction! I have supplied the NHS, always more work than my business customers.
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MB
14/01/2021 13:45:08 0 2
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is that a fact you can back up with documented evidence or is it just your opinion?
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14/01/2021 12:15:18 175 59
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We all know the NHS is struggling BBC but could you do you job and start reporting on other news as well. ie how are other countries like our close neighbours France and Spain coping with covid.
Can’t find anywhere if their numbers are increasing/ decreasing or any other news beyond the BBC’s same stories day after day!
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14/01/2021 12:18:26 93 11
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Have you tried their national media ?
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14/01/2021 12:42:14 22 9
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Yes. They take it seriously but they don't revel in it, as does the BBC. There comes a point where 'shock tactics' become counter-productive.
14/01/2021 16:47:29 0 3
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We pay for our national broadcaster to inform us .
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14/01/2021 12:19:24 247 12
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Once this is pretty much all over and most people get the Vaccine and we don’t have a daily death rate and people carry on with their lives spare a moment because sadly over the next 18 months and beyond it will still be high from all the treatments missed the death rate will be high and in advance I’m sorry for all those families and the sacrifices you have had too put up with.
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14/01/2021 12:35:23 228 18
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I'm pleased to report I was referred for urgent cancer investigations (2 week referral) recently, was in hospital 6 days later, all clear...I know its rubbish in very many places but some are managing. I don't smoke, don't drink and take exercise; I am working from home whenever possible and have followed the rules....Other people need to look at themselves and stop taking the NHS for granted.
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14/01/2021 12:40:35 8 26
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Get THE VACCINE!! Really you think this is a silver bullet that will deal with this. There’s about 500 strains of the common cold and you get diff one everytime you have the snivels. Use this logic and think about what is going to happen.
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14/01/2021 12:41:14 15 20
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Earlier today the BBC reported that hospital waiting lists were at their longest since 2008
That is after 10 months of a pandemic this Tory government is only now doing a worse job of the NHS than the Labour government back in 2008
Therefore who can we vote for at the next election if we want to be sure of getting a much better NHS?
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14/01/2021 12:56:26 4 0
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or from the next strain of virus spilling out of somewhere.
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14/01/2021 13:01:49 24 0
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I had a catheter fitted last March. It’s uncomfortable, inconvenient but hopefully it’ll be sorted sometime this year. I’m not complaining as there’s others in a far worse position than me. We’ll get there!
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14/01/2021 14:19:17 7 2
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People will also carry on as normal when they get to the ballot box next time as well, forgetting which party has made an absolute mess of this.
14/01/2021 15:01:57 3 3
bbc
IF we keep up this hysteria every mutation it will never be over, the vaccine is already facing reality it being said not to stop you getting the virus NOR stopping you spreading it, just relieving the worst symptoms. Which then begs the question ,given a very large majority, particularly people under 45 often don't know they have it, are we going to stay locked-down forever?
14/01/2021 15:21:10 0 2
bbc
.. and the award for longest sentence ever goes to ...
14/01/2021 16:16:30 0 0
bbc
testing for covid at airports will only stop spread not vaccine
14/01/2021 16:47:06 2 1
bbc
And where's the £350 million a week for the NHS. It never was going to happen according to DC.
22
14/01/2021 12:19:58 102 41
bbc
Deaths from seasonal flu, pneumonia have almost vanished as has cancer diagnosis compared and heart conditions to previous years. If anything it appears covid is preventing as many deaths as its causing. Or are they just missed and bundled in under the hysterical Covid 19 reporting. No need to reply, its rhetorical.
35
14/01/2021 12:22:21 91 60
bbc
Very true it’s like every other Illness has now disappeared. You can die from cancer and will most likely be put down to Covid.
152
14/01/2021 12:38:56 20 7
bbc
It may be 'rhetorical' but it is also utter rubbish. There is no credible evidence for this as you well know.
214
14/01/2021 12:47:25 6 2
bbc
Not true.
235
14/01/2021 12:50:05 16 4
bbc
flu will be down as will pneumonia as we have lost a lot of vulnerable people already, and we are far more risk averse to spreading anything at the moment ( well most of us). It doesn't take a genius to work that out surely. Over 1500 dead yesterday it's hardly hysterical.
256
14/01/2021 12:53:30 5 1
bbc
“No need to reply” tells us all we need to know about your critical thinking deficiencies.
481
VoR
14/01/2021 13:18:17 6 2
bbc
Apparently there is a need to reply because you don't understand your subject matter. Flu deaths are down because of lockdowns, mainly those occurring in the southern hemisphere winter, then our own, driving flu cases way down. Deaths from RTAs are also down. But overall, deaths are way up; the relevant statistic is the excess deaths figure. Then we will have extra deaths due to cancer delays.
567
14/01/2021 13:28:28 6 0
bbc
None of this is true. There is overlap between 'expected mortality', people who are vulnerable to both covid and flu, for instance, but flu will still kill people who survived or never contracted covid. Deaths from cancer are going to be higher than average due to the lack of diagnostics and treatment, due to health services being overwhelmed by covid and fear of going into hospital.
858
14/01/2021 14:04:59 3 0
bbc
Everyone is taking anti viral precautions.. Distancing, shielding, masks, gelling plus was a huge extended flu vaccination drive....
I think ozz has reported less flu too.
912
14/01/2021 14:12:20 0 5
bbc
Did you not know, Covid has cured the common cold and seasonal flu. They are now a thing of the past.
913
14/01/2021 14:12:35 0 5
bbc
Wife said exactly same thing to me. We don't know anyone with a cold or flu this year. Is Covid this year's flu? Death rate is very similar and seems to be most risky to the already ill, unhealthy or very old.
14/01/2021 16:21:54 0 2
bbc
its just not reported by the BBC
14/01/2021 17:15:50 2 1
bbc
Rhetorical but garbage. Fake news, sunshine.
7
14/01/2021 12:15:18 175 59
bbc
We all know the NHS is struggling BBC but could you do you job and start reporting on other news as well. ie how are other countries like our close neighbours France and Spain coping with covid.
Can’t find anywhere if their numbers are increasing/ decreasing or any other news beyond the BBC’s same stories day after day!
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14/01/2021 12:20:03 17 29
bbc
They daren't, because we are doing worse than just about anywhere.
14/01/2021 14:50:39 1 0
bbc
How do you know?
14/01/2021 15:27:07 2 1
bbc
except we aren't which is why you no longer hear the likes of you telling us how well China and Germany are doing,

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/first-china-death-since-april-022338018.html
24
14/01/2021 12:20:13 14 16
bbc
Boris the Clown wins a Gold Medal for incompetence in underfunding the NHS and Hospitalising thousands
140
14/01/2021 12:37:37 5 2
bbc
At least Corbin wasn't in charge. Country would have finished months sgo.
14
14/01/2021 12:17:28 17 11
bbc
This is the hidden cost of Covid and the trade off between the cost of saving a Covid life as opposed to someone dying of something else - unquantifiable but the message must be that lockdowns and there horrific impact are an absolute last resort and should be lifted at the earliest possible moment - time will tell if this was the best way to manage a pandemic - i suspect not
25
14/01/2021 12:20:13 22 10
bbc
Lockdowns need to be early and short and sweet, boris prefers late as possible and they drag on
41
14/01/2021 12:24:11 4 3
bbc
Spot on
26
14/01/2021 12:20:36 12 16
bbc
This isn’t about “the surge”. This is caused by the NHS doing minimal every day procedures all year. Hospitals sat empty across Summer and they still didn’t operate general treatments. This isn’t an accident, maybe in a years time we will be able to see what the government were trying to achieve.
50
14/01/2021 12:26:13 8 2
bbc
Are you from the UK or some third world country, all I see in the UK are doctors and nurses working very hard all week and every week.
130
14/01/2021 12:36:28 2 0
bbc
You have no idea... Everyone is so perfect. and they know everything..
27
14/01/2021 12:21:14 68 36
bbc
Covid is the cause but it is those few people who have been behaving ignorantly and selfishly disrespecting the "lockdown" rules that must take the full blame.

Shame on them all; hope they enjoyed the unnecessary shopping and socialising.
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14/01/2021 12:33:39 45 23
bbc
Isn’t it time to end this sham, that it’s the feckless British Public causing these figures.
It’s a virus that is now endemic across the country and simply cannot be controlled at this stage by anybody, anyhow.
Time to follow the science and go back to Valance&Whitty’s Plan A.
Protect the vulnerable: which is what the vaccine is aiming for anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XRc389TvG8
126
14/01/2021 12:36:04 10 10
bbc
There is no fear of the virus anymore. These under 40’s have got to realise there is a 0.00005% chance of them dying if they get it.
408
14/01/2021 13:10:59 4 8
bbc
No. The arse-covering cons must take the full blame.
437
14/01/2021 13:14:18 8 0
bbc
But it doesn't spread in; work, public transport, supermarkets, schools, hospitals, dentists, GPs.....

You only mentioned things that you read in the media. Well-done in your forensic investigation.
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Han
14/01/2021 13:53:51 3 3
bbc
I agree with you. My current workplace infuriates me. The staff are on and off with their masks all day and often gather together all maskless! I find it funny how they'll do that and moan about the customers that come in flouting the rules..erm, take a closer look at yourself perhaps!? I still have customers who are coming out for a card or who come in and go "I forgot my mask but I'll be quick"
14/01/2021 16:24:34 0 1
bbc
most people went on holiday abroad during winter. some are still abroad
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14/01/2021 12:17:54 26 12
bbc
Sadly many believe it’s all a hoax. It’s important studies are done on what make a sizeable population stare at the obvious but still refuse to accept the reality in spite of having first world education.
Surely many factors are involved.
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14/01/2021 12:21:17 28 10
bbc
Alas , as earlier referenda and public opinion polls show , vast parts of this nation are under educated .
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14/01/2021 12:29:15 1 0
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@safedriver: perhaps ur correct but in my profession I have seen there is a discordance between education and common intelligence. It’s a fine line, but they don’t always run parallel.
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ant
14/01/2021 12:37:48 4 2
bbc
I presume you're inferring under educated in earlier referenda due to others not sharing the same 'correct' opinion as yourself.
300
14/01/2021 12:59:26 1 2
bbc
And some of them cannot be educated - just plain stupid.
401
14/01/2021 13:10:19 1 1
bbc
What reference point applies?

If we are expected to be medical/viral experts then, yes, clearly almost everyone is under-educated!

However, I reject a suggestion that asking sensible questions and seeking deeper understanding (including challenge to others' conclusions) rather than just having blind faith is a sign of lack of education. On the contrary ...
907
14/01/2021 14:11:05 1 1
bbc
Are there differing levels of stupidity?
For example: Level 1. Voting for a party as it's what your parents did?
2. Voting Tory when you won't reap any of the benefits of their cons?
3. Voting for Brexit because you believed the rubbish that was given out by the leave campaigns without fact checking if?
And the lowest of the low, 4. Not believing that covid-19 exists.
29
bbc
We have taken back control of our borders but we only check 10% of people coming in to the country. We should have stopped people from Brazil 2 days ago coming into the country without a negative test or self isolating at the point of entry in police controlled hotel. Removed
96
14/01/2021 12:32:53 95 4
bbc
I read somewhere that the Brazil variant is already here and that wouldn't surprise me at all.
135
14/01/2021 12:37:06 22 6
bbc
What does "taking back control of our borders" and why were we not able to unilaterally restrict people coming in before that? We have always been able to.
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14/01/2021 12:39:20 20 3
bbc
They are still letting tourists from Brazil into the country, what are they going to visit? A closed museum? Nothing against the tourists or Brazilians as I'm one of them, but what's the point of all this suffering if we're still letting tourists in, specially from high risk areas?
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14/01/2021 12:46:09 6 6
bbc
You have to provide a negative test anyway to leave Brazil. So what’s changed. Let’s just sell our planes and build a wall around our island, wrap ourselves in bubble wrap. Honestly this will never end face the reality.
259
14/01/2021 12:36:12 16 1
bbc
The uk already had control of its borders
801
14/01/2021 13:51:27 0 10
bbc
Stopping people from Brazil is racist. Viruses don't respect borders.
926
14/01/2021 14:14:41 5 0
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The Tories and their media are keen to blame the public for the spread of CV19 when it is clearly the fault of the Tories:

https://www.facebook.com/TheDailyPolitik/videos/436051564426697

https://www.facebook.com/LBC/videos/175151004362830

The Tories are still following a herd immunity policy despite the evidence that there is no such thing. They seem very content with the early death of the old
955
14/01/2021 14:19:37 5 0
bbc
Tories have been in power for 10 years & they have been quietly privatising NHS services. Hunt & others have written about how to privatise the NHS. USA private health system costs 18% of GDP & is subsidised by the USA Government to the tune of 12% of GDP.

We spend 7.1% of GDP on the NHS. USA system bankrupts its patients, whilst the rich get richer from it. Tories just see YOU as a cash cow!
964
14/01/2021 14:20:41 5 0
bbc
Probably because we always could control borders but it was easier to blame someone else instead of investing in border security
984
14/01/2021 14:23:16 3 1
bbc
Are you really that stupid? Stopping flights from Brazil wouldn't stop the Brazil Variant. People from Brazil go to places other than the Uk. They then may infect someone in say Italy and then someone from Italy with it comes to UK. Unless you ban ALL worldwide travel it simply will not work.
14/01/2021 15:16:30 1 0
bbc
Taken back control? I think you must be listening to "I'm sorry I haven't a clue".

But you're right about testing everyone. There can't be that many people arriving anymore, as all UK airports report only a fraction of normal passenger traffic.
14/01/2021 15:36:03 1 0
bbc
"We have taken back control of our borders"

What utter nonsense. Countries in the EU are right now exercising their freedom to close their borders as they wish. We always had control of our borders; the only people insisting otherwise are liars. And even if we have (which we haven't) it doesn't change anything with regards to non-EU traffic, so why use this rhetoric?
14/01/2021 15:49:12 0 0
bbc
Are you implying this massive issue of cancelled treatment is down to foreign visitors, doesn’t years of under investment in our health system have a place in this. Our beds per head of population is not the best, could that be a contributing factor. Just wondering
14/01/2021 16:04:44 0 0
bbc
Were you one of the people angry when the French closed the border to prevent the British variant and accusing them of punishing us?
14/01/2021 16:16:13 0 0
bbc
Political point to be digusted at.
14/01/2021 16:16:07 0 0
bbc
Boris and MSM kept it all hidden the fact they weren't allowed to ban flights from EU last year

Even i said today if ban flights from Brazil you also have to ban them from Portugal

Still they need to test for covid at airports
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14/01/2021 12:21:34 2 4
bbc
It’s sad but hardly surprising really
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14/01/2021 12:21:51 8 27
bbc
Here on TV in China reported that NHS are deciding to put some NHS COVID patients either in a hotel or at their home - i.e., simply get rid of them

Horrified !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then commentators on TV added, the UK regime always lecture China for human rights but they can't even protect their own people the basic human right of "lives matter"

Oh dear oh dear I have to agree.....miserable britain
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14/01/2021 12:25:19 19 3
bbc
UK regime? Deluded you are. Nobody disappears here for an opinion
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14/01/2021 12:26:33 10 1
bbc
Did the TV in China mention Hong Kong democracy at any point ?
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14/01/2021 12:26:34 9 1
bbc
Standard Chinese government propaganda BS, trying to make others look worse because of their staggering incompetence
I know a couple of English people who lived in Gierek's PRL in the 70's . They dpoke some wonderful Polish, knew our literature and even could get our specific sense of humour etc but when it comes to obedience and compliance they were 100% with the one and only leading Party aka PZPR. Why am I telling you about it? Have a guess.
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14/01/2021 12:29:41 2 0
bbc
Must be true . No doubt .
103
14/01/2021 12:33:26 1 0
bbc
I read in UK media this week that recovering COVID patients are being accommodated in hotels under NHS supervision before going home..... maybe they live alone and don't have family support.
279
14/01/2021 12:56:32 0 0
bbc
Here in the UK I openly support the campaign for proportional representation:

https://www.makevotesmatter.org.uk/

Would I be allowed to do this in China?
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jay
14/01/2021 12:21:56 8 15
bbc
Ahhh in the name of Covid
Dont you realise you selfish people nothing matters but Covid !
Recite it three times a day ....
Covid Covid Covid !
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14/01/2021 12:22:03 138 14
bbc
We will probably never know the true number of lives lost due to this pandemic, as those who died due to missed and late diagnoses of other diseases or postponed operations for serious conditions can only be guessed at.
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14/01/2021 12:29:14 83 7
bbc
Yes we will know as the total deaths for all causes is recorded by the ONS and has been for many a year now. 2020 has had more deaths overall due to both Covid and the collateral deaths from it overwhelming NHS. FWIW it's how *all* pandemics are measured.
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14/01/2021 12:34:36 12 1
bbc
Way higher than 80000 and all will be much much younger
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VoR
14/01/2021 12:44:11 6 0
bbc
We just look at the excess deaths figure. Current deaths relative to the norm for this time of year. That's the overall effect, including the positive effects like reduced traffic accidents.
248
14/01/2021 12:52:40 0 0
bbc
above the average year we will? It's very sad that anyone died as a direct or indirect result of Covid, but it can be measured sensibly against "normal" years
608
14/01/2021 13:32:40 3 4
bbc
we already know, compared to the last 5 year average we have lost 90000 extra people, and worldwide a slightly adjusted and estimated total of 2 million over and above the "normal" average
14/01/2021 17:27:04 2 3
bbc
Know of at least 3 people who have died as a result of missed surgery that was classed as 'urgent' on their files. Two with hernia and one with a pancreatic growth. And of course they were given a Covid label. Their tests no doubt false positives but does it matter. What matters is that in order to push an agenda, Covid is the fear and the control. Truth does surface eventually.
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14/01/2021 12:16:20 7 8
bbc
Here in stoke, NHS have handled it totally wrong.
North Staffs is the main hospital and been used as covid centre. What should have happened is the Haywood converted to Covid isolated hospital, keeping the main hospital in use for the normal things.
Around here another 3 hospitals could have been used for least affected or recovery units, or even clearing houses for elderly to go to care homes
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14/01/2021 12:19:58 102 41
bbc
Deaths from seasonal flu, pneumonia have almost vanished as has cancer diagnosis compared and heart conditions to previous years. If anything it appears covid is preventing as many deaths as its causing. Or are they just missed and bundled in under the hysterical Covid 19 reporting. No need to reply, its rhetorical.
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14/01/2021 12:22:21 91 60
bbc
Very true it’s like every other Illness has now disappeared. You can die from cancer and will most likely be put down to Covid.
58
14/01/2021 12:27:55 20 17
bbc
And you know that because? You are an expert, doctor, epimediologist? Just interested
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14/01/2021 12:31:36 21 12
bbc
crap, you do have to have had a positive covid test first and all you covid deniers should be denied the vaccine for ever, and any hospital treatment for any reason whatsoever...imho, allowing for hyperbole of course
14/01/2021 19:44:14 0 0
bbc
It won't mater to you, you'll still be just as dead.
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14/01/2021 12:22:33 68 30
bbc
Perhaps if NHS staff in the direct line of fire had been the first to receive the vaccine there wouldn’t be so many of them having to isolate or be off sick, impacting many other treatments. Yet more questionable decisions over priorities.
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M12
14/01/2021 13:04:57 44 2
bbc
This is incorrect. Even if you have had the vaccine, you will still have to self isolate. So the same numbers will be off.
14/01/2021 14:51:12 2 0
bbc
They were - my mate who was an ICU nurse (now cancer day ward) was given the Pfizer vaccine one week after it was launched.
14/01/2021 16:23:23 0 0
bbc
useless until you have two doses
VJC
14/01/2021 16:53:23 1 0
bbc
They are the first in line getting the vaccines.
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jay
14/01/2021 12:22:57 4 5
bbc
Do who you blaming this week ...? Who’s turn is it to be selfish....??????
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14/01/2021 12:14:52 8 18
bbc
Hopefully, the pandemic will be the catalyst for long-needed NHS reform. Replace with an Israeli-style system, maybe. Four private providers competing for government funds - seems to work for them.
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14/01/2021 12:23:10 4 6
bbc
Yep - marked down with the zeal of the hardest-core Trump supporter.
13
14/01/2021 12:17:27 109 117
bbc
It was actually incorrectly reported that the "state" was paying £30 for it. Where in fact it was £10.50.
As postage, processing and £5 worth of food your at a £10.
39
14/01/2021 12:23:17 36 20
bbc
I'm sorry but your maths still doesnt work out. The value of the food was about a fiver if you bought it yourself from the shop, but the government would be getting this stuff in bulk which should reduce costs.

Even with 15 quid processing and a fiver of food that still begs the question where that other tenner went...
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14/01/2021 12:28:59 22 9
bbc
I don’t think you’ve understood the person who you’ve replied to at all. They’ve mentioned a TOTAL figure of £10. Half of it was the cost of the food. Half was for logistics.
174
14/01/2021 12:41:42 5 5
bbc
Taxation, heat and light, payroll, consumables, insurance, pensions, NI contributions... clearly you have never run a business or if you have did you ended up in court.
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RM
14/01/2021 12:45:55 5 3
bbc
Profit!
643
14/01/2021 13:36:42 2 3
bbc
You dont see many if any skint MP,s Arc, so lets look to them.
673
14/01/2021 13:41:22 0 1
bbc
don't be sorry.
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14/01/2021 12:23:36 111 32
bbc
So when Hancock answers “no, nhs is not overrun”, actually they are, as a lot of the normal stuff is not happening. More selective lies.
55
14/01/2021 12:27:10 58 27
bbc
Boris bumbles that much by time he finished he believes what he is saying, can tell Hancock lies through his teeth, ring of steel 1 got me
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14/01/2021 12:45:25 3 1
bbc
no they are saying IC is not overrun, but might be soon, but have made it clear that some other services will suffer. so where possible Stay at home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives. This must be a near impossible task whoever was in power - do we shut the economy which will hit the poorest worst? Do our bit and try and help.
533
14/01/2021 13:23:56 4 2
bbc
That's the norm for this lot. Selectivity will continue and be believed by many who do not want to search for the truth.
14/01/2021 16:19:41 0 1
bbc
how is A&E busy when pubs and clubs are shut lol
25
14/01/2021 12:20:13 22 10
bbc
Lockdowns need to be early and short and sweet, boris prefers late as possible and they drag on
41
14/01/2021 12:24:11 4 3
bbc
Spot on
42
14/01/2021 12:24:26 52 34
bbc
Over 1,500 deaths yesterday

As it takes roughly 1 month between infection and death its safe to say that almost all these poor souls were infected before Christmas when Boris Johnson ignored SAGE advice and put London into tier 2 putting wealth before health

Sadly due to his mixed messaging at Christmas things may well get worse before they get better

We need a full public enquiry!!!
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14/01/2021 12:29:53 26 32
bbc
sadly due to you not knowing that the hell you,re talking about more like.
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14/01/2021 12:30:51 14 2
bbc
Not really, the message has been clear all along and people should be able to follow the guidelines without a lockdown being enforced. There is only one way the infection can be crossed to another and the guidance is clear about contact avoidance and distancing/washing hands.

Reports show deliberate "I am all right I don't care if I infect others"raves and even in lockdown, they are taking place
107
14/01/2021 12:33:49 6 13
bbc
They are testing dying people for Covid in hospices and they must stop that otherwise it just adds to the statistics nonsense. This is not fake news, my uncle and mother in law both died of cancer but it says Covid on the death certificate.
128
14/01/2021 12:26:48 7 5
bbc
I agree but you won't get it until Johnson has left/kicked out of office Then all the very hounds that ran with him will then rip him to bits
153
14/01/2021 12:39:02 7 5
bbc
An inquiry is not going to change history, just cost us millions and take over a year to complete allowing people to get fat on the money they charge to do it.

Government is in a no win situation trying to keep the economy moving and saving lives. The only reason we have a lockdown is to help the NHS cope. If they were coping then no lockdown.

Unfortunately our deaths are just a stat.
250
14/01/2021 12:52:50 9 7
bbc
How many are catching Covid in hospital though? The only people we know of who have died with Covid are elderly people in their 80s and 90s who were admitted for other reasons and then contracted Covid in hospital. Dead within 28 days.
683
14/01/2021 13:42:54 2 0
bbc
It is absolutely true that the end of the lockdown in december was arbitrary, there was no reason to expect the virus to quietly simmer after that. We always expected it to continuously get worse from mid-october. And the putative christmas exception was folly. They've consistently waited until it was too late to do what was necessary, and frequently offered mixed messaging. That's a failure.
14/01/2021 16:28:34 0 0
bbc
This is what happens when you don't test for covid at borders
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14/01/2021 12:20:20 10 15
bbc
"Covid: Surge leaves key hospital services 'in crisis'"

This is down to failure of government and covid deniers

Both haven't a clue on the importance of protecting the NHS

Time to kick the Tories out before it gets any worse
65
14/01/2021 12:29:07 3 6
bbc
lol or just down to a pandemic
127
14/01/2021 12:36:11 1 0
bbc
Any government would have had the same issues and could even have been worse.
The deniers are a small number which don't cause the situation we are in. The main issue is people flouting the rules. Stop the spread you stop the virus.
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pTc
14/01/2021 12:17:34 8 10
bbc
It's Winter. The NHS is always in dire straights. My mother worked on an medical unit and said its been the same for a least a decade. Not uncommon for people to be waiting in A+E for 18-20 hours for a bed.
Removed
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14/01/2021 12:21:51 8 27
bbc
Here on TV in China reported that NHS are deciding to put some NHS COVID patients either in a hotel or at their home - i.e., simply get rid of them

Horrified !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then commentators on TV added, the UK regime always lecture China for human rights but they can't even protect their own people the basic human right of "lives matter"

Oh dear oh dear I have to agree.....miserable britain
45
14/01/2021 12:25:19 19 3
bbc
UK regime? Deluded you are. Nobody disappears here for an opinion
71
14/01/2021 12:29:42 1 5
bbc
You can easily disappear in NHS for COVID treatment though.....stick to the point of my post
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VoR
14/01/2021 12:45:03 0 0
bbc
Boris disappears when asked for one.
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14/01/2021 12:25:33 11 27
bbc
If the undemocratic remainers had not committed insurrection we would have left the EU 4 years ago and there would be billions available to support the NHS!
76
14/01/2021 12:30:11 1 2
bbc
Sorry about that. I didn't want to storm #10 and take over...oh wait. That didn't happen.

Can I have what you're smoking?
77
14/01/2021 12:30:18 0 0
bbc
If Remainers had supported it we would have the Customs Union and alignment deal of the former PM.
95
14/01/2021 12:32:48 0 0
bbc
OMG where have you been hiding?
111
14/01/2021 12:34:35 0 0
bbc
Even if we had actually done that do you really think that there would be anywhere enough billions available to actually change the mess the NHS is in now. It would take a budget several times bigger than what they have and the way people behave would just upend it all as it has done now.
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14/01/2021 12:35:04 1 0
bbc
The fake news about millions in extra cash has long been debunked. Keep up please. It was never going to happen. And don’t start me on taking control of borders... that clearly hasn’t and still isn’t happening, otherwise we would not have so many infections.
238
14/01/2021 12:32:58 0 0
bbc
Codswallop mate and the chips landed on your shoulder
512
14/01/2021 13:22:24 0 0
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Interesting way to show how ignorant and uneducated you are. I am of course being polite.
7
14/01/2021 12:15:18 175 59
bbc
We all know the NHS is struggling BBC but could you do you job and start reporting on other news as well. ie how are other countries like our close neighbours France and Spain coping with covid.
Can’t find anywhere if their numbers are increasing/ decreasing or any other news beyond the BBC’s same stories day after day!
19
14/01/2021 12:18:11 49 3
bbc
Anyone supplying the Government automatically doubles the bill, but the Government will not stop outsourcing stuff like this, so ends up being ripped off.
48
14/01/2021 12:25:48 37 4
bbc
It's the taxpayer that keeps getting ripped off. Private supplied services including NHS rail, administration, sale of public buildings and re rental and maintenance, etc, routing more tax money to the rich.
182
14/01/2021 12:42:35 7 1
bbc
You can blame PFI for that. Introduced by Major and exploited to the hilt by Blair and Brown.
49
14/01/2021 12:25:55 97 6
bbc
It is unavoidable. All public sector services are established for a background rate of activity in the same way that flood defences are. Unexpected surge events can overwhelm resources. Doctors take 7 years to train and nurses take 3 years to train. Universities are similarly geared to handle an expected flow of trainees; course places have to be first expanded before training can increase
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VoR
14/01/2021 12:37:07 80 35
bbc
It's not unavoidable if you enforce adequate lockdowns that were applied in timely fashion. Because we haven't put adequate lockdowns in early, and have allowed flouting of them, we are where we are today.

Still, at least we aren't America where the so-called representatives protest about metal detectors and masks; they have it even worse.
195
14/01/2021 12:45:06 4 7
bbc
I think it would take less time to train nurses to be doctors and carers to be nurses- using future learn plus mentors for the theory.
207
14/01/2021 12:46:42 2 0
bbc
why are you being sensible?
246
RM
14/01/2021 12:52:35 6 8
bbc
Tories have been in power for 10 years.
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14/01/2021 12:58:13 20 0
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In fact, it takes around 12 years to become a consultant. Until then, you are a 'junior doctor'. It's not just a matter of spending time working relentless unsocial hours, you have to undertake training and exams the whole time. It makes mincemeat of all but the most dedicated.
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14/01/2021 13:58:01 8 3
bbc
But ignores that NHS was starved of funds.
For instance NHS near bottom of wealthy 36 countries for mri and ct scanners.
Every winter pre covid NHS was under pressure from just flu.
Covid 6 months ago highlighted UK lack of ventilators and icu beds compared to France & Germany.
What do medics have to say about the lack of resources? Or are they gagged in some way?
14/01/2021 15:16:21 7 1
bbc
Ignoring a report 4 years ago saying we had to prepare for a pandemic was avoidable. Cuttings budgets while allowing the rich to double their wealth was avoidable, giving all the contracts to tory donors was avoidable, stopping the nurses bursary when they knew we had 40k vacancies was avoidable.
14/01/2021 16:18:59 0 1
bbc
Drs and Nurses come from abroad to work for NHS ..usually from third world countries
14/01/2021 17:14:30 3 0
bbc
it would of helped if the NHS had not been underfunded since 2010, and reports of crisis readiness ignored, no wonder we were not remotely ready for a crisis like a pandemic, and yes Boris was part and parcel of said governments.
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14/01/2021 12:20:36 12 16
bbc
This isn’t about “the surge”. This is caused by the NHS doing minimal every day procedures all year. Hospitals sat empty across Summer and they still didn’t operate general treatments. This isn’t an accident, maybe in a years time we will be able to see what the government were trying to achieve.
50
14/01/2021 12:26:13 8 2
bbc
Are you from the UK or some third world country, all I see in the UK are doctors and nurses working very hard all week and every week.
216
14/01/2021 12:47:37 0 0
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Don't think calexander intended to slight NHS workers. I think the point was relating to whether Gov't policy to maintain Covid capacity, in between surges, was the correct action to take.
286
14/01/2021 12:57:24 0 2
bbc
Isn't that what they are supposed to do? If you join the army you expect that you may be on the front line, in danger of injury or death, at some point. Where's the difference?
31
14/01/2021 12:21:51 8 27
bbc
Here on TV in China reported that NHS are deciding to put some NHS COVID patients either in a hotel or at their home - i.e., simply get rid of them

Horrified !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then commentators on TV added, the UK regime always lecture China for human rights but they can't even protect their own people the basic human right of "lives matter"

Oh dear oh dear I have to agree.....miserable britain
51
14/01/2021 12:26:33 10 1
bbc
Did the TV in China mention Hong Kong democracy at any point ?
31
14/01/2021 12:21:51 8 27
bbc
Here on TV in China reported that NHS are deciding to put some NHS COVID patients either in a hotel or at their home - i.e., simply get rid of them

Horrified !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then commentators on TV added, the UK regime always lecture China for human rights but they can't even protect their own people the basic human right of "lives matter"

Oh dear oh dear I have to agree.....miserable britain
52
14/01/2021 12:26:34 9 1
bbc
Standard Chinese government propaganda BS, trying to make others look worse because of their staggering incompetence
53
14/01/2021 12:26:36 94 26
bbc
So, people complaining about the NHS. Let's all go private then. People will soon complain that to see a GP will cost £150, medicine prices aren't subsidised. Ambulance call out at £400 per incident. As for operations, remortgage the house (if you're lucky enough to do so).
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14/01/2021 12:47:11 61 13
bbc
It does cost us money to use the NHS as we pay for it through taxation- a huge amount - c £120 billion per year. Most European countries with private healthcare also have public/private insurance schemes- check out Germany as an example
217
14/01/2021 12:47:46 16 8
bbc
You are aware that the NHS costs are about £3,227 per capita already (https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthcaresystem/bulletins/ukhealthaccounts/2018). How many times do you see a GP per year? Unless its more than 21 times you'd be better off.
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14/01/2021 12:42:50 7 5
bbc
You need to grasp how private “insurance” works.
Ironically it’s quite a “socialist” concept.
Everybody’s pays in say 2000£ a year and everyone gets what they need when they need it.
The question is would private sector provide better value for £2000 a year than public sector ?

£2000 a year every man/woman/child in uk is nhs cost.
469
14/01/2021 13:17:30 11 17
bbc
The Tories would love it, profits will be rolling in on the back of the sick who will either die or be forever in debt, big time. For the right wing a welcome return to Victorian times. Tip your hat cerf. Show some respect to your master and better,, etc, etc.
576
14/01/2021 13:07:02 13 7
bbc
we should be part private, like most EU countries are! Which means if you can contribute towards your care when you need it, you do. As well as putting money in the general pot. Lefties forget that most of their utopia like EU nations have far more private company involvement in their health systems than the UK does.
14/01/2021 15:48:50 0 3
bbc
nonsense a complex major op is about 12k private - or about the same as a decent used car
14/01/2021 16:05:52 0 0
bbc
In certain areas people are paying for a GP consultation now, really.
14/01/2021 16:21:29 0 2
bbc
A&E is empty since pubs and clubs are shut
14/01/2021 16:30:52 0 0
bbc
Beter off dead,no worries.
54
14/01/2021 12:26:54 30 18
bbc
Please film and publicise what is currently happening in hospital ICU's. I think shock tactics now are the only way to get through to these ignorant people.

I know it might upset children but you could issue a warning beforehand.
Yes do it and let some idiot like Julia Hartley brewer choose a hospital or even three of her choice at random and take her in there with a camera Crewe to prove that it is not fake and the NHS is massively overwhelmed compared to 2018. Removed
260
14/01/2021 12:36:26 4 0
bbc
Only a few idiots believe covid is a hoax.
People pointing out nhs capacity stats across the country are not covid deniers.
They just realise when hysteria and politik is taking over.
Yes it’s very bad.
But it’s still a fact total number of covid deaths under 60 with no underlying health issues in uk is sub 400 end 2020.
272
14/01/2021 12:55:08 0 0
bbc
They do - every news bulletin - numpties put head back in sand!
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kr1
14/01/2021 13:48:14 0 0
bbc
no point, they don't watch
14/01/2021 16:31:35 1 1
bbc
The hospitals are empty. they won't film it
40
14/01/2021 12:23:36 111 32
bbc
So when Hancock answers “no, nhs is not overrun”, actually they are, as a lot of the normal stuff is not happening. More selective lies.
55
14/01/2021 12:27:10 58 27
bbc
Boris bumbles that much by time he finished he believes what he is saying, can tell Hancock lies through his teeth, ring of steel 1 got me
544
14/01/2021 13:25:37 1 6
bbc
Lucy1, you are a political bigot.
31
14/01/2021 12:21:51 8 27
bbc
Here on TV in China reported that NHS are deciding to put some NHS COVID patients either in a hotel or at their home - i.e., simply get rid of them

Horrified !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then commentators on TV added, the UK regime always lecture China for human rights but they can't even protect their own people the basic human right of "lives matter"

Oh dear oh dear I have to agree.....miserable britain
56
14/01/2021 12:27:18 2 0
bbc
I know a couple of English people who lived in Gierek's PRL in the 70's . They dpoke some wonderful Polish, knew our literature and even could get our specific sense of humour etc but when it comes to obedience and compliance they were 100% with the one and only leading Party aka PZPR. Why am I telling you about it? Have a guess.
57
14/01/2021 12:27:37 27 16
bbc
20 years ago when the Internet was in its infancy, it was seen as a useful tool to society. It largely still is, however.

The scales have tipped to show how dangerous unregulated unrestricted content can be. You only need to see the scenes at Capitol Hill to see how things can escalate quickly.

As fast as false content is being removed, more is being added. Something has to be done about it.
64
14/01/2021 12:29:05 13 23
bbc
Suggest you move to China if that's the life you want to live.
206
14/01/2021 12:46:32 1 1
bbc
Utterly and completely wrong. All speech by individuals should be completely free. Everyone knows for facts you check regulated media not the bloke down the pub that all other content is. The censorship being embraced by the very bad attitude political class is fear of the people not only having their lines to read. China being used as a model. Prosecute deplatforming companies, &any censoring.
222
14/01/2021 12:31:34 0 0
bbc
why not have a chat with Donald John Trump
14/01/2021 16:33:38 0 0
bbc
MSM is full of lies thats whats changed....... plus when you travel to other countries thesedays you can see MSM is fake
35
14/01/2021 12:22:21 91 60
bbc
Very true it’s like every other Illness has now disappeared. You can die from cancer and will most likely be put down to Covid.
58
14/01/2021 12:27:55 20 17
bbc
And you know that because? You are an expert, doctor, epimediologist? Just interested
212
14/01/2021 12:47:15 8 7
bbc
Brexiteer probably - similar 'logic'.
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14/01/2021 12:51:35 9 16
bbc
The illness is real don’t get me wrong but firstly these test are not very accurate. Did one on my dog and he tested positive. When myself I was negative so it doesn’t really make sense. As well as this my friend is a nurse and finds it ridiculous how they do a test a week or month before a person dies when they come in with something completely different.
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JWG
14/01/2021 13:11:09 2 3
bbc
No recuasse its basic critical thinking with some small research on death stats for other causes. Never mind, keep screaming from behind the sofa and pointing at people for no real reason.
59
14/01/2021 12:28:20 198 25
bbc
And still the airports are open
72
14/01/2021 12:29:46 50 127
bbc
Your point?
73
14/01/2021 12:29:50 32 27
bbc
And the borders, especially to inflatable boats!
79
14/01/2021 12:30:38 32 7
bbc
PIA has flown 100s of thousands to and from Pakistan since March.All of them essential travel!
110
14/01/2021 12:34:24 22 7
bbc
Airports need to be open.

But every single person should have a test 3 days before coming, a test on arrival and then quarantine. If both tests are negative you get out in 5 days, otherwise quarantine for 14 days - and all transported via non public transport, paid for by the traveller.

And tracking everyone by phone signals and not an expensive app.
139
14/01/2021 12:37:32 23 8
bbc
So what, they need a negative test to travel; prob less risk group than a bunch of sportsman hugging after scoring a meaningless goal.
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14/01/2021 12:30:41 35 9
bbc
And full of the returning London middle classes who had a good time skiing and then broke lockdowns to return to Gentleman's Surrey
223
14/01/2021 12:32:03 4 3
bbc
And the Beaches ??
535
14/01/2021 13:24:10 3 6
bbc
Newsflash, some people still need to travel.
650
14/01/2021 13:37:47 7 1
bbc
how do you expect key workers like peirs morgan and kay burley to get back from holiday to give us the benefit of their expert analysis?
719
14/01/2021 13:47:20 0 0
bbc
And still averaging 55,000 cases a day in UK, so will likely have little impact now. But new requirements being implemented regarding clear test required :-

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice
898
14/01/2021 14:09:21 1 3
bbc
Strange comment. If business cannot work how can we pay for our fantastic NHS. And that includes, for many of us, necessary travel.
14/01/2021 16:17:00 1 0
bbc
yeah airports open so are flights..a few people are holidaying in dubai

no covid tests on return
10
14/01/2021 12:16:48 93 34
bbc
Would be sensible to see the figures for those DYING OF ANY CAUSE WITH A NEGATIVE TEST RESULT WITHIN 28 DAYS.
60
14/01/2021 12:28:44 61 7
bbc
I still don't know why 28 days is a magic number. If people die on day 29+ from C19, they are not counted?
151
14/01/2021 12:38:52 19 10
bbc
Because it's a reasonable proxy to avoid counting people who subsequently die due to something else. If Covid is still the cause, it will be on the death cert.

By the same note if I tested positive today and got run over by a bus tomorrow then I would be counted in the 28 day figures
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14/01/2021 12:45:08 7 14
bbc
It's the minimum time Johnson's government thinks it can get away with. Yes, you have to draw the line somewhere but the 'excess deaths' number shows it is being undercounted at 'only' 100,000! Pleases the numpty deniers though!
297
14/01/2021 12:59:03 6 7
bbc
Yup spot on. With those who died with COVID on the death certificate the numbers who died are 80,000, if you include those with suspected COVID its 100,000. The numbers are possibly even higher than that
377
14/01/2021 13:08:46 2 0
bbc
They are but just not shown on the '28 day' graph.

This may be a bit dated now (August 2020) but some good information

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2020/08/12/behind-the-headlines-counting-covid-19-deaths/
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JWG
14/01/2021 13:09:24 5 2
bbc
Jesus it moves along each day. No wonder we are in trouble with dodgy numbers interpreted by people who are incapable of understanding the stats anyway.
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VoR
14/01/2021 13:28:53 5 0
bbc
It's to do with the relative probabilities. If you sir shortly after having Covid, it's usually Covid that killed you. If you die months later, it usually isn't. 28 days is deemed to be a point that will capture most Covid deaths without capturing too many others, and beyond 28 days it is felt that only a relatively small proportion of deaths with be due to Covid.
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14/01/2021 14:19:53 1 0
bbc
Initially they government was using even linger 12 weeks at one point. I understand the 28 was used as the research around the world showed it took 4 to 5 weeks from infection to death. 6 weeks is the current duration that the ONS use due to better treatment.
994
14/01/2021 14:25:48 3 0
bbc
Because you have to draw the line somewhere. If I get covid and die in 10 years time from a heart attack should I be included?
14/01/2021 14:30:20 1 1
bbc
From 28 Days Later...if you're a Zombie technically they are not counted?!
14/01/2021 16:36:10 0 3
bbc
Because they count people run over by a bus 28 days after recovering from a positive covid test.
14/01/2021 16:41:03 0 3
bbc
it also does not matter what they die of - they could be hit by a bus and still be included in the stats
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jay
14/01/2021 12:28:58 5 8
bbc
Next week .... well you so t have school to blame , or pubs quickly find a scapegoat for next week
it’s ok your local media or app will provide you with a adequate target to focus your anger on, remember’ if you go out you’ve got blood on your hands ??
But your gov loves you ??
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14/01/2021 12:23:17 36 20
bbc
I'm sorry but your maths still doesnt work out. The value of the food was about a fiver if you bought it yourself from the shop, but the government would be getting this stuff in bulk which should reduce costs.

Even with 15 quid processing and a fiver of food that still begs the question where that other tenner went...
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14/01/2021 12:28:59 22 9
bbc
I don’t think you’ve understood the person who you’ve replied to at all. They’ve mentioned a TOTAL figure of £10. Half of it was the cost of the food. Half was for logistics.
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14/01/2021 12:56:16 1 3
bbc
Ok I misread the full comment, but again, most have commented that the food was a fivers worth from a local shop, but the government, who agreed that these food packages were abysmal, will get this in bulk so should provide more.

Also compare the food packages from wales with those in england, its like night and day.
634
14/01/2021 13:18:57 2 4
bbc
The wild guessing here on the cost of logistics is way off the mark. Any why anyone would defend this appalling situation is beyond me. We are talking about hungry children here.
648
14/01/2021 13:37:35 0 0
bbc
Yes logistics, that makes sense .
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VoR
14/01/2021 13:38:41 2 2
bbc
Honestly though, that's a lot for logistics, given what they are doing. For that amount you could pay someone to go out, buy the food in the shops, get packaging, and bring it to your house. Where are the savings due to scale?
677
14/01/2021 13:41:56 0 2
bbc
I'm sure you don't think
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14/01/2021 12:17:54 26 12
bbc
Sadly many believe it’s all a hoax. It’s important studies are done on what make a sizeable population stare at the obvious but still refuse to accept the reality in spite of having first world education.
Surely many factors are involved.
63
14/01/2021 12:28:59 4 1
bbc
Social media being one of the factors, many folk, some intelligent have fell into conspiracy rabbit holes and believe Anything after 10 minutes of so called research
307
14/01/2021 13:00:06 0 0
bbc
Can't be intelligent then. "fallen" by the way!
57
14/01/2021 12:27:37 27 16
bbc
20 years ago when the Internet was in its infancy, it was seen as a useful tool to society. It largely still is, however.

The scales have tipped to show how dangerous unregulated unrestricted content can be. You only need to see the scenes at Capitol Hill to see how things can escalate quickly.

As fast as false content is being removed, more is being added. Something has to be done about it.
64
14/01/2021 12:29:05 13 23
bbc
Suggest you move to China if that's the life you want to live.
105
14/01/2021 12:33:44 2 8
bbc
I am right now in CHINA and saw in person how their gov deal with COVID efficiently and effectively, I am still so glad I was granted to a flight to China last Sept just before COVID was utterly out of control under the Tory regime and now live in heaven vs hell in the choking lockdown 3-4? UK

Thanks god !
14/01/2021 16:34:25 0 0
bbc
China has millions of westerners living there running western businesses ...why do you think everythings made in china
43
14/01/2021 12:20:20 10 15
bbc
"Covid: Surge leaves key hospital services 'in crisis'"

This is down to failure of government and covid deniers

Both haven't a clue on the importance of protecting the NHS

Time to kick the Tories out before it gets any worse
65
14/01/2021 12:29:07 3 6
bbc
lol or just down to a pandemic
114
14/01/2021 12:35:02 1 0
bbc
and Ten years of under funding the NHS and failing to plan following their own Cygnus report findings.
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VoR
14/01/2021 12:37:55 1 0
bbc
Plenty of countries have managed the pandemic well. Ours has not.
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14/01/2021 12:36:55 0 0
bbc
It's amazing you think 100,000 deaths are funny

And amazing you don't want the success that New Zealand had with only 25 deaths

Covid kills people

Government failure allows the people to be exposed to Covid
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14/01/2021 12:22:03 138 14
bbc
We will probably never know the true number of lives lost due to this pandemic, as those who died due to missed and late diagnoses of other diseases or postponed operations for serious conditions can only be guessed at.
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14/01/2021 12:29:14 83 7
bbc
Yes we will know as the total deaths for all causes is recorded by the ONS and has been for many a year now. 2020 has had more deaths overall due to both Covid and the collateral deaths from it overwhelming NHS. FWIW it's how *all* pandemics are measured.
14/01/2021 15:10:59 5 3
bbc
It never overwhelmed the NHS, at least according to the NHS figures, which, curiously enough, once they showed early years were worse in terms of numbers, suddenly needed 'interpretation'. Fine, but the ONS 'interpretation' warning that excess death figures were based on very low 5 year average mortality cut no ice. We need an open investigation into the decisions made over this year.
15/01/2021 13:51:09 0 0
bbc
Wrong, anyone who has had a positive SARS-CoV-2 test within 28 days of dying is listed as covid. In the USA this includes those with shotgun wounds to the head!
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14/01/2021 12:21:17 28 10
bbc
Alas , as earlier referenda and public opinion polls show , vast parts of this nation are under educated .
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14/01/2021 12:29:15 1 0
bbc
@safedriver: perhaps ur correct but in my profession I have seen there is a discordance between education and common intelligence. It’s a fine line, but they don’t always run parallel.
9
14/01/2021 12:16:08 10 10
bbc
Unfortunately the Managers in charge of allotment of cancer surgery in London are playing politics with one another and not utilizing the offer from private providers appropriately.
68
14/01/2021 12:29:24 4 0
bbc
That's quite odd considering the amount of millions the government have handed to private hospital healthcare.
69
14/01/2021 12:29:24 6 8
bbc
Ovalball 12:20

"Time to kick out the Tories" how will that work before the late 2024 General Election?
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14/01/2021 12:35:15 3 3
bbc
What a stupid comment need to kick the irresponsible people who are spreading the virus by not following rules what would labour have done you wouldn't be getting vaccines if we were still in the eu a fact oxford vaccines still not passed for use till 29th Jan by that time we will have injected 3 million people by then
239
14/01/2021 12:33:44 0 0
bbc
Government of national unity NOW
264
14/01/2021 12:54:07 0 0
bbc
National general strikes have worked before.
31
14/01/2021 12:21:51 8 27
bbc
Here on TV in China reported that NHS are deciding to put some NHS COVID patients either in a hotel or at their home - i.e., simply get rid of them

Horrified !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then commentators on TV added, the UK regime always lecture China for human rights but they can't even protect their own people the basic human right of "lives matter"

Oh dear oh dear I have to agree.....miserable britain
70
14/01/2021 12:29:41 2 0
bbc
Must be true . No doubt .
45
14/01/2021 12:25:19 19 3
bbc
UK regime? Deluded you are. Nobody disappears here for an opinion
71
14/01/2021 12:29:42 1 5
bbc
You can easily disappear in NHS for COVID treatment though.....stick to the point of my post
123
14/01/2021 12:35:50 2 0
bbc
Hey, that's your opinion and you can keep it but you are allowed it, just don't try standing on a soap box in a street in china saying anything that goes against the party line
59
14/01/2021 12:28:20 198 25
bbc
And still the airports are open
72
14/01/2021 12:29:46 50 127
bbc
Your point?
144
14/01/2021 12:38:17 33 8
bbc
Why can't you see the blindingly obvious?
Removed
343
14/01/2021 13:04:38 5 2
bbc
Corrupt UK govt. during a pandemic.
yours ?
488
14/01/2021 13:19:21 3 1
bbc
Brazil
658
14/01/2021 13:39:02 0 0
bbc
He points to the airports being open , but low lifers cant use them, or can we?
694
14/01/2021 13:44:01 1 3
bbc
Blame foreigners! It's the modern way.
715
14/01/2021 13:46:54 7 0
bbc
Im assuming he suggests they should be closed ;-)
769
14/01/2021 13:54:46 1 0
bbc
I think it's pretty obvious.
14/01/2021 14:43:41 2 2
bbc
How dense are you ?
59
14/01/2021 12:28:20 198 25
bbc
And still the airports are open
73
14/01/2021 12:29:50 32 27
bbc
And the borders, especially to inflatable boats!
14/01/2021 14:48:14 0 0
bbc
We've seen a lot of "due to Coronavirus" excuses that do a great disservice to the people and organisations that are genuinely stepping up to deal with the crisis or are through no fault of their own badly hit by it.

"Due to Coronavirus" ... "you can no longer be treated as a refugee" would take the biscuit.
14/01/2021 15:35:55 4 1
bbc
Nice anti-refugee shoehorn. Totally unrelated to the article. And I bet you voted Brexit thinking it would stop refugees.
Over 1,500 deaths yesterday

As it takes roughly 1 month between infection and death its safe to say that almost all these poor souls were infected before Christmas when Boris Johnson ignored SAGE advice and put London into tier 2 putting wealth before health

Sadly due to his mixed messaging at Christmas things may well get worse before they get better

We need a full public enquiry!!!
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14/01/2021 12:29:53 26 32
bbc
sadly due to you not knowing that the hell you,re talking about more like.
How do i not know what i am talking about?

Explain what was wrong with my comment...

SAGE screamed for a circuit break lockdown in Oct & Boris ignored

SAGE told him not to put London into tier 2 and when he did they spent weeks asking him to put it back into tier 3 as cases rose

All those passing today were infected during this period

As i said, tell me what i said that was untrue......
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What? You thing de-pfeffel is some sort of decent example ?? ?? ?? tory n*nce.
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Rob
14/01/2021 12:30:01 89 25
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It was a huge mistake to accept this virus as endemic and try to balance a false "trade off" between Covid and non-Covid harms. Countries that acted decisively to contain Covid have far lower death rates (from all causes, not just Covid) AND have their daily freedoms back.

We've got the big strategic calls badly wrong.
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14/01/2021 12:33:17 41 49
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Captain Hindsight - what will the situation be in 3 months time?
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14/01/2021 12:40:31 7 6
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I have looked at the global stats for COVID19 to compare and some countries I am afraid I am not convinced on the numbers they give. No country is unaffected because even if they are an island succeeding by closing its borders, as soon as they reopen them, reinfection will start to occur from arrivals from all over the world.
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14/01/2021 13:31:46 7 0
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Absolutely. The economic harm from lockdown is ultimately replicated if health capacity is overwhelmed and mortality increases, as people start autonomously avoiding situations that might otherwise be banned, or are sick and unable to work. The harm from missed diagnosis / treatment is extreme when the health system is overwhelmed. Our response was ambiguous, slow and inconsistent.
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14/01/2021 14:26:03 6 2
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Peru had a military enforced lockdown, arguably the most aggressive in the world, they are performing about the same as the USA and worse than Sweden.
14/01/2021 16:22:32 0 0
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you can stop covid over whelming the NHS by testing at borders
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14/01/2021 12:25:33 11 27
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If the undemocratic remainers had not committed insurrection we would have left the EU 4 years ago and there would be billions available to support the NHS!
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14/01/2021 12:30:11 1 2
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Sorry about that. I didn't want to storm #10 and take over...oh wait. That didn't happen.

Can I have what you're smoking?
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14/01/2021 12:25:33 11 27
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If the undemocratic remainers had not committed insurrection we would have left the EU 4 years ago and there would be billions available to support the NHS!
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14/01/2021 12:30:18 0 0
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If Remainers had supported it we would have the Customs Union and alignment deal of the former PM.
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14/01/2021 12:30:25 0 3
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up until 4 years ago, Lincolnshire had 3 hospitals with full A&E and supporting services, the local trust board decided to close one and now the remaining two cannot cope.
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14/01/2021 12:28:20 198 25
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And still the airports are open
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14/01/2021 12:30:38 32 7
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PIA has flown 100s of thousands to and from Pakistan since March.All of them essential travel!
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14/01/2021 12:11:57 391 76
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If you saw the article about kids' lunch parcels yesterday worth less than 5 quid while the state is being charged 30 quid for them then just imagine the scale of mismanagement when it comes to public money in NHS. Atllee is turning in his grave.
Another factually incorrect statement. no one, no where was charged £30 for the ONE week, ONE child food parcels. They were £11.50 Per Week per ONE child for 5 lunchtime meals. When vouchers are issued, they are in domination of £15 and they are given ONCE per TWO weeks, equating to a £30 payment ONCE per TWO weeks . Nothing likes FACTS to get in the way of click baiting though is there! Removed
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14/01/2021 12:48:04 4 1
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Nothing 'likes' the OVERUSE OF CAPITALS and terrible grammar to make a good point unreadable..
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14/01/2021 13:21:53 0 2
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And when you try to use the vouchers at Tesco (as people have no choice, at least round here) you are required to spend £6 minimum before the vouchers are accepted.
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14/01/2021 12:30:44 12 8
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And yet people STILL won't follow some very basic rules.

They have called a 'critical incident' here because ambulances are queueing for hours.

Well lets hope these idiots don't break their leg because they are going to be lying there in agony for a very, very long time.

And I hope none of their aging relatives have a heart attack or a stroke or it's likely to be cancel milk and papers.
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14/01/2021 12:30:44 9 3
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There have also been issues about viable organs being lost to all those waiting on the transplant list, many of whom die whilst waiting at the nest of times.
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14/01/2021 12:30:46 59 39
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Govt of national unity needed right now. Johnson's ship of fools are clearly out of their depth.
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14/01/2021 12:37:52 63 7
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The problem is, no one in opposition is much use either. I do think we need a massive overhaul in UK politics and to start with get rid of nearly all of the career politicians
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14/01/2021 12:43:53 7 3
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Be out of their depth in a puddle that lot!
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14/01/2021 12:35:01 4 2
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what a basket of deplorables
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14/01/2021 13:27:05 3 0
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I agree but this lot do not want any insight into their actions
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14/01/2021 14:01:26 0 3
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Correspondents like you are obviously out without depth.
14/01/2021 16:26:48 0 0
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yeah Boris has no clue to test for covid at borders and airports...he is prob scared of airline Ceo's
Over 1,500 deaths yesterday

As it takes roughly 1 month between infection and death its safe to say that almost all these poor souls were infected before Christmas when Boris Johnson ignored SAGE advice and put London into tier 2 putting wealth before health

Sadly due to his mixed messaging at Christmas things may well get worse before they get better

We need a full public enquiry!!!
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14/01/2021 12:30:51 14 2
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Not really, the message has been clear all along and people should be able to follow the guidelines without a lockdown being enforced. There is only one way the infection can be crossed to another and the guidance is clear about contact avoidance and distancing/washing hands.

Reports show deliberate "I am all right I don't care if I infect others"raves and even in lockdown, they are taking place
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14/01/2021 13:07:41 3 6
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The message has been clear but also wrong. You only have to look at the death rate in China where they sent out a clear and precise message and also enforced it vigorously.
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14/01/2021 12:17:54 26 12
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Sadly many believe it’s all a hoax. It’s important studies are done on what make a sizeable population stare at the obvious but still refuse to accept the reality in spite of having first world education.
Surely many factors are involved.
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14/01/2021 12:31:15 1 5
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How many people? Do you have a source?
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14/01/2021 12:32:41 1 1
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That’s why we need further work as mentioned ??
14/01/2021 16:10:55 1 0
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They walk among us.
I have spoken to several, we might just as well have been speaking a different language.
I think the trouble is we have had enough of 'experts', but are prepared to put our trust in errrr some theory on-line by a self-appointed 'expert'.
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14/01/2021 12:31:30 56 15
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Sigh. But when election time comes around and there's a political option to get a better health service if only we would pay a little more tax, we all know where our cross will go, don't we...?
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14/01/2021 12:39:29 53 45
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Yes I know exactly where my cross will go and that is Conservative who since 2010 have put more money in than the opposition has ever promised.Two of my daughters who are Doctors will do the same as only with a stable economy will there be money to put in.However I am sure it will not be enough as the demand is never ending.Also it is not the case that it will only be a little more tax
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14/01/2021 13:46:54 6 0
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That has always been my problem with 'clap for carers'. Everyone should vote to support the NHS financially in a stable way, through taxation, and should stop seeking "less taxes, more spending, less deficit".

Clapping for carers and never voting to support them is a self-congratulatory farce. Clapping and then not wearing a mask, or obeying the health rules is despicable.
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14/01/2021 13:52:45 3 5
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Remind me, will the next election be the 5th or the 6th "last chance to save the NHS"?

Was it 5 or 6, in all the excitement, I lost count......
14/01/2021 14:26:30 6 0
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But covid is an opportunity to highlight NHS, ukgov incompetence issues.
At start of covid was clear NHS short ventilators, short icu beds etc.
UK ranks near bottom of wealthy countries for number CT and MRI scanners. Why? Where are medics voice in this?
14/01/2021 16:24:09 0 2
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they increased the population when EU expanded. it meant hospital needed to be made bigger...under funded
14/01/2021 17:03:05 1 1
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We pay more than enough tax which gets peed away on vanity projects, dodgy contracts & £30 for lunches worth a fiver!
Mind you, I could have made 8 meals from 1 parcel I saw online, but it was still only a few quids worth of food
UK Tax payers get such poor value for our taxes & I'm sick of being shafted for everything
Do the crime pay the fine, at cost
Covid has proved HS2 is out dated already
15/01/2021 22:55:18 0 0
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it's not all about money, there is a lot of poor management in the NHS.
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14/01/2021 12:31:31 11 9
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If all covid deniers had just denied covid from behind their keyboards and had not gone out, we might be in a better place.

Also if the gov had actually locked down and not the shams we've been dealing with.
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14/01/2021 12:38:50 3 3
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Lockdown like everything is easy when you can afford it. I guess that’s you Colin
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14/01/2021 12:22:21 91 60
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Very true it’s like every other Illness has now disappeared. You can die from cancer and will most likely be put down to Covid.
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14/01/2021 12:31:36 21 12
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crap, you do have to have had a positive covid test first and all you covid deniers should be denied the vaccine for ever, and any hospital treatment for any reason whatsoever...imho, allowing for hyperbole of course
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14/01/2021 12:42:44 14 17
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Your so wrong, you really should do some research. If a Doctor suspects a patient has covid, then they are TOLD to record it as the cause of death.
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14/01/2021 13:12:43 5 8
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The hospital tried to put my Uncle into a covid ward when he broke his hip. If he had died as many old people do of such falls he would have been recorded as COVID. So nothing to do with Covid deniers, its to do with reality. Keep crying behind the sofa but don't make it everyone else's problem.
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14/01/2021 13:48:13 1 5
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nope, no positive test required, or you can have one 20 days ago, completely recover than have a heart attack form a long standing condition having pervious had two and guess what, your a COVID statistic.
14/01/2021 14:40:49 1 0
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Denying people the vaccine, will only cause more infections.
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14/01/2021 12:26:54 30 18
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Please film and publicise what is currently happening in hospital ICU's. I think shock tactics now are the only way to get through to these ignorant people.

I know it might upset children but you could issue a warning beforehand.
Yes do it and let some idiot like Julia Hartley brewer choose a hospital or even three of her choice at random and take her in there with a camera Crewe to prove that it is not fake and the NHS is massively overwhelmed compared to 2018. Removed
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14/01/2021 12:16:48 93 34
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Would be sensible to see the figures for those DYING OF ANY CAUSE WITH A NEGATIVE TEST RESULT WITHIN 28 DAYS.
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14/01/2021 12:32:06 10 1
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See the office of national statistics website where you'll also see the datatdata this story is based on.
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14/01/2021 12:32:10 13 4
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Well the NHS problems go back to the the making of NHS trusts and the big sell off of NHS hospitals for housing and other uses. Because now some treatments are spread over 2 or 3 different trusts where it used to be 1or 2 regional health authorities that dealt with treatments.
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14/01/2021 13:02:50 1 0
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Treatment are far more complex now - your local cottage hospital really wouldn't be able to manage them. MRI machine in every town for example?
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14/01/2021 13:42:49 1 0
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This is not an NHS problem, it is a problem for healthcare organisations globally.

US hospitals are becoming over-whelmed too as are French, Spanish and German hospitals.

The countries that are not becoming overwhelmed are the countries that have listened to the advice, stayed at home, done the social distancing and wear face masks.
14/01/2021 16:37:46 0 0
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nah the problems go back to not increasing NHS capacity to meet. the population increase
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14/01/2021 12:32:13 5 4
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It comes as no suprise, due to the management of the hospital i work at have CONTIUALLY mixed staff across wards.
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14/01/2021 12:34:19 0 0
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Shortages and if everyone who worked with someone who tested positive went off and shielded there would be no NHS left
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14/01/2021 12:11:57 391 76
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If you saw the article about kids' lunch parcels yesterday worth less than 5 quid while the state is being charged 30 quid for them then just imagine the scale of mismanagement when it comes to public money in NHS. Atllee is turning in his grave.
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14/01/2021 12:32:27 12 16
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We need another government like his as a matter of urgency.
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14/01/2021 12:31:15 1 5
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How many people? Do you have a source?
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14/01/2021 12:32:41 1 1
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That’s why we need further work as mentioned ??
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14/01/2021 12:25:33 11 27
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If the undemocratic remainers had not committed insurrection we would have left the EU 4 years ago and there would be billions available to support the NHS!
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14/01/2021 12:32:48 0 0
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OMG where have you been hiding?
We have taken back control of our borders but we only check 10% of people coming in to the country. We should have stopped people from Brazil 2 days ago coming into the country without a negative test or self isolating at the point of entry in police controlled hotel. Removed
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14/01/2021 12:32:53 95 4
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I read somewhere that the Brazil variant is already here and that wouldn't surprise me at all.
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14/01/2021 12:50:23 3 7
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There'll be variant after variant after variant. Ad infinitum... until the plan is achieved.
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14/01/2021 12:37:30 0 2
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Correct. I have the Brazil variant.
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14/01/2021 12:42:20 1 8
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I'd like to know what Brazillians are doing in the uk?
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14/01/2021 13:49:13 1 2
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Brazil or any other variety wouldn't be in UK if Ukgov shut borders.
They still haven't.
News reports previously of 1000s of imported covid cases just from EU.
Taiwan, s Korea, Japan shut borders.. As a result have far less covid+ or deaths.
Taiwan no lockdown at all, 7 covid deaths in 12 months, economy grown.
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14/01/2021 13:57:39 4 0
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Well if you read it somewhere then it must be true. Especially if it was on the internet as everything is fact checked.
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14/01/2021 14:14:16 2 0
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Where? Link please. Otherwise stop posting stuff like this. It’s how nonsense gets around.
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14/01/2021 12:24:48 0 4
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/dec/08/nhs-hospitals-emergency-measures-winter-crisis
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jul/14/nhs-repeat-winter-crisis-hospitals

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2007/mar/26/health.politics1

< rel="ugc nofollow noopener noreferrer"a href="https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/oct/28/health.politicalnews">https://www.theguardian.com/polit rel="ugc nofollow noopener noreferrer"ics/2001/oct/28/health.politicalnews

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2000/dec/04/health2

A nice selection red n blue
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14/01/2021 12:26:46 0 6
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I might suggest everyone listen to planet normal pod cast.

They have 2 sources inside the nhs who give a picture from the front line as it were.
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14/01/2021 12:33:13 4 4
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Now we start to see the problem with a linear approach to healthcare.

I have no doubt that a mental health crisis is already here... humans by default are social creatures, and repeated tinkering of the rules from August to December done immeasurable damage. It should have been a binary call - either full lockdown, or open up as much as possible.

Stay safe and protect your loved ones.
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Rob
14/01/2021 12:30:01 89 25
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It was a huge mistake to accept this virus as endemic and try to balance a false "trade off" between Covid and non-Covid harms. Countries that acted decisively to contain Covid have far lower death rates (from all causes, not just Covid) AND have their daily freedoms back.

We've got the big strategic calls badly wrong.
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14/01/2021 12:33:17 41 49
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Captain Hindsight - what will the situation be in 3 months time?
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Rob
14/01/2021 13:05:49 15 4
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If it's hindsight, how come other countries (mainly in the Asia Pacific region) got it right from the start?
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14/01/2021 13:07:23 9 1
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The same on this course.

That's called 'foresight' jeremy. Go get some.
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14/01/2021 13:07:33 11 1
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Not Captain Hindsight. Lots of us said this from the very outset.
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14/01/2021 13:25:53 7 1
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Must be Boris fan. Now following one of his stockphrases
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14/01/2021 14:08:16 4 0
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Its not hindsight if other countries took the measures needed at the time.
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14/01/2021 14:09:19 5 2
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SE Asia got hit by covid month(s) before UK.
Ukgov could watch and learn from SE Asia. No hindsight or forecasts required.. Hard actual data.
Like Taiwan with just 7 covid deaths in 12 months, no lockdowns.. Ever. And a 2% gdp growth in 2020!!
Cake and eat it is possible!
Oh they shut as in shut borders back in Feb 2020
Ukgov.. I shook hands with everyone, world leading, world beating, xmas?
14/01/2021 14:56:30 1 1
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Much the same- people will still be dying, we will still be struggling with administering jabs, we will still have lockdowns, and we will still have the mother-of-all NHS backlogs and an economy in tatters
You owe me £5 for that insight
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You might not be here...