Two more life-saving Covid drugs discovered
07/01/2021 | news | health | 1,665
The drugs, which save an extra life for every 12 intensive care patients treated, can be used immediately, say experts.
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TCP, Detol?
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Well it didn't hurt Donnie.... hah!
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Another little ray of light at a particularly dark time.
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TCP, Detol?
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Well it didn't hurt Donnie.... hah!
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07/01/2021 17:12:03 15 24
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If only we had lockdown sooner.
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07/01/2021 17:25:06 17 5
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If only China had locked down sooner you mean and they are getting off Scot free .. don't buy anything from China for the next 10 years and see how they get on !
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07/01/2021 17:12:39 64 3
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Great news.
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07/01/2021 17:13:11 21 1
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Good.

I don’t really know what else there is to say about this.
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hmm
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07/01/2021 17:13:52 130 28
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Science will defeat this virus in the end, I just hope those with nothing more to offer than "thoughts and prayers" don't get in the way too much...
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07/01/2021 18:12:45 79 48
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I work in clinical trails & I pray every single day too... faith it’s what gets me through each single day & allows me to put my brains to the good use of scientific discovery. God’s will and all of that.
08/01/2021 08:59:40 0 0
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"I just hope those with nothing more to offer than "thoughts and prayers" don't get in the way too much..."
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So we'd advance much better if we all turned into robotic automatons without any feelings that signify human weakness and might "get in the way" of our usefulness to society?

I'm sure I've read a few dystopian novels that are based on this theme. They usually don't end well.
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07/01/2021 17:14:00 77 4
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Science be praised!
07/01/2021 22:49:49 8 10
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As the 17th century mathematician and astronomer Kepler, allegedly, once said:
"Science is thinking God's thoughts after him”
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07/01/2021 17:16:59 2 3
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A very constructive comment not
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07/01/2021 17:18:08 0 1
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Haven't you got a bridge to play under....
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07/01/2021 17:14:47 68 8
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Fantastic news!
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07/01/2021 17:14:52 694 50
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For an underfunded, overcrowded, crisis hit NHS, the discovery of 2 new COVID 19 treatments is a superb achievement. Maybe after this crisis we can set up a funding formula external from Governmental control and we can stop using it as a political football and leave it alone to deliver world class medical care.

Well done to all involved.
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07/01/2021 17:26:55 415 72
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What is clear is that we can’t run the NHS as it was envisioned in 1948. Medicine has move on more at such a pace that funding for everything is impossible. Add on to that relentless bureaucracy and waste.

New thinking is need. No easy answer.
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07/01/2021 17:29:00 75 13
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Absolutely! The NHS really does need to become an autonomous body, free from political party whims. Also to be lead by senior medical professionals, not by over paid "managers" who are mostly glorified admin clerks.
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well be non UK research
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07/01/2021 17:40:28 15 36
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Obviously it can't then be free to all .... Unless you expect me to pay more "tax" of some description for it (even if it's not a Governmental tax) !
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07/01/2021 17:55:24 41 2
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Drug design and discovery is done by scientists not doctors and nurses. It's probably a collaboration with the NHS. NHS staff deserve our thanks, but give credit where it is due.
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07/01/2021 17:58:05 29 2
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There sort of is this system already. It's the NIHR. It is terrific. It funded pandemic-readiness research years ago, which is why the UK was so fast in researching treatments in 2020, and why we're world-leading here (one of few things we genuinely do well in the UK). Search "UK hibernated pandemic research portfolio". Still suffered from limited funding - hopefully after all this that'll change.
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07/01/2021 18:00:31 16 6
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It is the most generously funded institution in the country .
Funding is only a part of the problem.
If people are willing to donate more from their own income then please do.
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07/01/2021 18:04:44 12 2
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Academic-lead study, it’s top grade university research rather than the NHS which is driving the discoveries.
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07/01/2021 18:05:03 10 11
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Or maybe every time Labour et al hysterically screamed "24 hours to save the NHS," or similar every GE, and of course given headline billing every time by the impartial BBC... maybe, they were actually lying to us all?
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07/01/2021 18:20:28 9 4
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What I don't understand is why when we're in hospital we don't have to pay towards the cost of our food. We pay through our taxes for medicines and treatment, but why can't we pay a certain amount per day for our food? I spent a week in a cardiac ward a year ago and have nothing but admiration for the staff, I would've been more than happy to contribute towards the cost of my meals.
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07/01/2021 18:28:44 3 5
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The solution is a vote looser so will never be actions. Plus, taking the NHS out of the government's hands will be 'privatisation'. The latter is riddled with corruption. I have been in the NHS for 39 years and have retired in disgust.
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07/01/2021 18:30:11 4 4
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"Underfunded, overcrowded, crisis hit"? - you can build an extra 100 ITUs which lie empty until another world wide novel pandemic
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07/01/2021 18:46:15 8 5
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Not under funded but badly managed,.
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07/01/2021 18:50:40 11 5
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The NHS isn’t underfunded - they get get more money each year - they are inefficient and have too many institutionalised employees who don’t know what work is. We should be proud of the healthcare system that that we have and find and not shy away from expecting value to
For money.
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07/01/2021 18:51:52 3 0
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They're not new drugs, just a commonsense application of existing ones.
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07/01/2021 19:01:28 5 2
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The NHS is used by labour every election for the last 50 years, the NHS will be sold off by the Tories, it will no longer exist etc etc, well 50 years later the NHS is still working has not been sold off and is discovering new treatments all the time.. i agree it should not be used as a political football...
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07/01/2021 19:02:56 4 2
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That'll be under appreciated university science researchers and students!
Remember, the ones Blair was getting rid of in favour of media studies!
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07/01/2021 19:07:24 2 4
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World class medical care? Guessing you haven't been in a hospital in the last 20 years.
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07/01/2021 19:08:46 1 7
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the correct funding formula is to privatise it, entirely. It's a dead duck and everyone with any common sense can see that.
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07/01/2021 19:30:51 3 0
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Good luck persuading the public they need to part with a realistic amount of money to pay for it - they all like the idea, until it comes to putting their hand in their own pocket
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07/01/2021 19:31:59 1 2
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That would be a great plan for the future of Healthcare. But as much as that would be the most effective and successful way forward for the people of this country, the Labour party wouldn’t let it happen as it would snub out their tired old campaigning strategy. So if anyone was in any doubt, the Labour party are more interested in themselves than the people that need quality affordable healthcare
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07/01/2021 19:35:18 4 2
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Let’s not confuse the NHS itself with some of the great brains that work within it. As an organisation it’s archaic and inefficient. Also, free treatment for everything for everyone, whilst a wonderful thing in theory, actually leads to abuse of the system and the failure of too many individuals to look after themselves. This is part of why we have so many diabetics etc compared to other countries
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07/01/2021 19:50:07 3 0
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Maybe if the government pushed people to take responsibility for their own health it would help. Type 2 diabetes is because of lifestyle choices; as is most heart diseases.

Eat good, exercise, get clean air and live a disease free lfie!
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07/01/2021 19:57:17 0 0
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It wasn't created by the NHS but by Oxford University and Astra Zeneca. It may be helpful however if external experts could advise the NHS how to deliver world class care.
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07/01/2021 20:01:32 0 0
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The vaccine was created by scientists from Astra Zeneca and Oxford University not the NHS.
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It's such a pity that we have become experts in treatment because we have had so many patients to treat.

Well done to all the doctors and scientists involved.
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07/01/2021 17:29:25 130 2
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the trial was in 6 contries, and anything that finds ways to treat Covid is wonderful news.
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07/01/2021 17:28:44 1 6
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yeah to keep borders open with no testing they shifted it on the NHS
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07/01/2021 18:05:40 6 6
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In proportion to the size of our population we do not have more patients. When you take population density in to account as well we are doing better than most of our neighbours. It would be nice to do better but we are NOT doing badly.
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07/01/2021 18:34:21 1 4
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China has had less Covid yet they were using these drugs from early 2020 to treat covid
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07/01/2021 20:47:17 1 0
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Perhaps we should send someone to talk to Donald Trump, he seriously needs treatment.
08/01/2021 02:44:50 0 0
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"necessasity is the mother of invention"

tweeted by Abraham Lincoln in 5,000BC, I believe
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07/01/2021 17:16:42 150 4
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Well done to all involved. Between this revelation, Dexamethasone being widely available, staff more experienced with treating covid patients and the vaccines, we must surely be in a much better place towards the end of the year.
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but no testing at borders
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END OF THE YEAR! Excuse the Caps. but you think living in a cardboard box under a railway arch (which I am one step away from) you think we can all wait for another year. Bless you and your comfortable London-centric life.
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07/01/2021 17:16:59 2 3
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A very constructive comment not
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07/01/2021 17:16:09 8 17
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How can we call tocilizumab and sarilumab "life-saving" treatments for COVID-19 when clinical trial data has been far from compelling? Phase III for sarilumab in severe COVID-19 patients missed primary endpoint (t.ly/Y17W), Tocilizumab was not effective for preventing intubation or death in moderately ill hospitalized patients with COVID-19 (t.ly/um7x). Please explain.
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Don't worry about clinical trials, the BBC and government have got your back...
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07/01/2021 17:23:38 4 1
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These trials are based solely of patients just entering ICU (i.e. critical), not earlier phase patients such as moderate and severe.
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07/01/2021 17:26:10 1 1
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Note the article shows life saving for some, not everybody. Not everybody can take every drug and not every drug is effective for everybody. eg: the doctor recommended a drug for my IBS, I stopped taking it as I got worse. Similarly I cannot take morphine without spewing up. So these Covid treatments will not work for everybody.
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07/01/2021 17:27:07 3 1
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Because it saves an extra life for every 12 people in ICU.

Looks like it's life saving to me, or should we not bother unless it's one in 6 or one in 3, or everyone given it?

Sheesh...
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OK doctor - what do you suggest and what is your input to help?
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07/01/2021 17:18:08 0 1
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Haven't you got a bridge to play under....
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07/01/2021 17:19:54 2 25
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What's the point. We don't have the staff to administer it. So it wouldn't matter if there were 8 new drugs.
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07/01/2021 17:23:25 20 1
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staff already working on covid wards will administer this as part of the treatment, no extra staff are needed . Some patients will recover quicker freeing up much needed beds
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07/01/2021 17:28:43 3 1
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There's one small hole in your claim.

We DO have the staff to administer it. ??
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07/01/2021 17:27:13 3 1
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it is administered with the other drugs
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07/01/2021 17:30:17 0 3
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If it cuts stays then that will free up staff.. but marginal.
Not much choice in rotten apples
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Your life must be one big ray of sunshine.
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Well done medical research - the unsung heroes in the war. Maybe now the non-vac brigade can really take a hard look at themselves and ask themselves if their luddite beliefs are selfish and undermine the successes of the medics who have only one goal - to save the lives of fellow human beings.
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07/01/2021 17:29:06 97 50
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Its great having more treatments even if the results aren't world changing, but I hope these are used with care and human suffering is taken into account. A seriously ill elderly patient brought back from the brink of death at all costs only to suffer for many months from the after effects before dying of something else is cruel, it may make for better statistics, but is it better care?
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07/01/2021 18:32:58 0 6
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yeah Chinese found this out
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07/01/2021 19:11:43 0 21
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Pray tell, Phil - why should anyone believe in the efficacy of ANY vaccine? Rather than just being an armchair critic, give us a reason to want the vaccine other than your selfish desire to enforce it on people.
Oh dear, the sheep are at it :D. You been infected intentionally. You obedient slave Removed
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07/01/2021 20:43:16 0 0
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It was International research that was used! Need to read the Medical Journals not the BBC.
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Do you read the Daily Mail by any chance?
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It is not a war. Good grief.
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How can we call tocilizumab and sarilumab "life-saving" treatments for COVID-19 when clinical trial data has been far from compelling? Phase III for sarilumab in severe COVID-19 patients missed primary endpoint (t.ly/Y17W), Tocilizumab was not effective for preventing intubation or death in moderately ill hospitalized patients with COVID-19 (t.ly/um7x). Please explain.
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Don't worry about clinical trials, the BBC and government have got your back...
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UK, leading the way. Again.
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In science, yes. But sadly not in politics.
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yeah leading in world Covid deaths
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07/01/2021 17:44:12 0 3
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Google Ivermectin
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07/01/2021 17:58:06 9 1
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Actually not. Trials for Tocilizumab were already taking place in Italy in April 2020. The first time it was used in the UK before trials took place here, was by an Italian doctor at Royal Cornwall Hospital Treliske.
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no they copied China. They were using Tocilizumab and sarilumab in early 2020
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With new strains of covid and death rates?
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Bit like Trump he is also leading the way, to Hell.
07/01/2021 21:39:46 1 1
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Sorry - both Swiss drugs.
07/01/2021 23:49:19 0 0
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Erm...you clearly have problems with reading: "In the REMAP-CAP trial carried out in six different countries, including the UK"
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Just a shame that the politicians are still lagging behind.
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07/01/2021 17:22:12 2 3
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These aren't really accurately described as "drugs". They are therapeutic antibodies.
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07/01/2021 17:22:26 481 19
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Our biological/medical sciences is one of the few areas where the UK can genuinely still have a claim to be a world leader, this sector must be given huge stimulus to grow in the future.
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07/01/2021 17:25:35 68 487
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not really...America and Germany is world leader as you know with the covid vaccine
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It’s just a shame neither of these 2 drugs were developed by UK pharma.
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07/01/2021 17:51:13 31 6
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Yep, we have great brains developing new drugs - often people who chose to come here from other countries. What we lack is the ability and, it seems, motivation to manufacture and commercialize these wonder products. And when we do we sell the companies involved to the highest bidder.
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07/01/2021 17:59:16 15 4
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The sector that both me and my partner work in. We are reeling from a reduction in funding and recruitment of the greatest scientists because of Brexit. We do indeed need government investment and I'm glad that people finally realise that medicine is not just doctors and nurses.
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07/01/2021 18:32:18 2 12
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Chinese was using Tocilizumab and sarilumab early 2020 to treat covid
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07/01/2021 19:08:55 5 0
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We're actually still tops for all engineering too (not mechanics or sparks, but degree qualified applied physicists and mathematicians). It's engineers who design and build all the equipment, production and testing facilities used to develop, test and manufacture all the medicines.
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07/01/2021 19:29:03 2 0
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Yes but we don’t actually then manufacture the goods and then can’t get hold of them!
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07/01/2021 19:59:48 0 2
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You joking :D the Americans call us Fleenstones ! Hey, you can take my shot of vaccine, it's my present for you, might grow an extra horn to the original horn that will develop on your head when you volunteer for that jab :D
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07/01/2021 20:36:22 3 4
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That is nonsense, every Major country around the World has Biological and Science Labs at their disposal. It had been seriously underfunded in the UK for the past 10 years, also the EU support has now left and that means that we no longer have the collaboration and intelligence from 27 Countries.

We are going to feel very sorry for ourselves soon.
07/01/2021 21:04:26 0 0
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More so with all those non-UK specialists working all over the place.
07/01/2021 23:40:16 1 0
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Indeed. But science today is rooted deeply in international collaboration. Rather than wave flags, let's celebrate that! (Disclaimer: I am a research scientist working for a UK-based institution with colleagues from around the globe, including the EU, USA, Japan, China, India, Australia,...)
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You do know that the first 20% of the new AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine are being made in Germany and Holland?
Our industry is doing well but it's not really a 'world leader' yet.
Much more investment needed. But will anyone invest heavily in post-Brexit UK?
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GOOD NEWS. Can.not b allowed on here. Bound to upset someone!!!!!!
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UK, leading the way. Again.
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In science, yes. But sadly not in politics.
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07/01/2021 17:25:12 27 1
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True but I don't think we're doing quite as bad as the US!
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How so?
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It better than Uncle Sam.
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Also in politics.
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07/01/2021 20:32:37 2 2
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Oh I don't know, remainers trying to stop Brexit inspired Trump, though the 'riot' being widely condemned was a US BLM inspired movement. Pathetic really. BLM took over cities, torched businesses & got away, in Seattle, with their alternative police force shooting and killing black youths. Trump's lot were amateurs compared to BLM & remain, but credit to UK's Remainers for promoting that idea.
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Not as bad as the US ??
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07/01/2021 20:50:40 2 1
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Nyet We are not leading the Science India is years ahead of us in Science, they have put a man in Space, what we have done is put a Idiot as PM.
07/01/2021 22:10:18 0 1
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I disagree my old China, our politics are bang on. Tories are saving the UK.
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Sour grapes!
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07/01/2021 17:23:01 1 2
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How about Ivermectin? Already in use for a different purpose, well tolerated and cheap, and with known anti-viral properties. I thought it was not yet recommended because they were waiting for peer review of trials and publication in a medical journal - but this article says research for these two drugs “has not been peer reviewed or published in a medical journal” either?
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Not sure I would want to take it. It is used to worm cats and dogs!!!!
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Just like buses eh
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07/01/2021 17:23:24 13 11
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Great news obviously, but I must say i’m rather enjoying lockdown. I’m saving loads of money and I have nailed sourdough. I’m also loving spending my mornings on twitter listening to people who agree with my worldview!
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Well aren't you lucky. The rest of us are stressing out working in unbearable conditions.
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07/01/2021 17:40:15 1 1
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Funnily enough, I've just this minute put a couple of loaves in to bake.
They'll go nicely with my home cured bacon, sausages & jam.

Let's hope there's even more good news like this to shorten our pleasant interlude. ??
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Im enjoying it to. I enjoy no commute, I've too saved more money than normal. I am not a teacher, I am not in a union.
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07/01/2021 19:53:56 0 1
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good for you - enjoy your life if that is what turns you on. save money you will never enjoy sounds like a good life plan - plonker
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What's the point. We don't have the staff to administer it. So it wouldn't matter if there were 8 new drugs.
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07/01/2021 17:23:25 20 1
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staff already working on covid wards will administer this as part of the treatment, no extra staff are needed . Some patients will recover quicker freeing up much needed beds
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07/01/2021 17:23:26 1 2
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What about Ivermectin which has been successful elsewhere?
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07/01/2021 17:23:38 6 2
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Good news, as these drugs are going to be in huge demand over the next couple of months before the most vulnerable are vaccinated
25,000 new cases a day 2 weeks ago are causing more than 1,000 deaths now & without them, the current 60,000+ a day infection rate would see a rise to more than 2,000 a day based on outcomes over the past 6 months.
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How can we call tocilizumab and sarilumab "life-saving" treatments for COVID-19 when clinical trial data has been far from compelling? Phase III for sarilumab in severe COVID-19 patients missed primary endpoint (t.ly/Y17W), Tocilizumab was not effective for preventing intubation or death in moderately ill hospitalized patients with COVID-19 (t.ly/um7x). Please explain.
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These trials are based solely of patients just entering ICU (i.e. critical), not earlier phase patients such as moderate and severe.
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07/01/2021 17:24:16 2 5
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Obvious monoclonal antibodies. The drug industry has been looking for uses for such drugs for decades. Better off with the cheap steroid, at 0.0067 of the cost.
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If that worked, they'd be doing it.
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Jolly good
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Best "drug" for everything is prayer, meditation, any form of a spiritual exercise. In addition healthy diet and life style. Mens sana in corpore sano. Being outdoors helps a lot, too. Exercising body and soul. Un-fortunately eating Greggs and other shi#e is not on the list. People make themselves vulnerable through unhealthy choices. Prompt to diseases and viruses. Stretching NHS.
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I tried to keep healthy with a good diet and exercise, I still got cancer.
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07/01/2021 17:30:05 3 4
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Have you been taking Latin lessons from chief clown?
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07/01/2021 17:32:39 5 4
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Prayer does absolutely nothing to fight the virus. Healthy eating yes, but religious mumbo jumbo is utter nonsense. Stop spouting this crap.
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Well said.So many corpulent sedentary people who are young enough and capable of changing their lifestyles for the better and now is another perfect opportunity to get fit and help yourself and the poor overburdened NHS.Many covid cases accompany other underlying health problems.Only good thing about this lockdown is it is not Summer so when lifted all the selfish idiots will not head for a beach.
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07/01/2021 17:35:48 3 3
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Ah, what a lovely mix of self righteousness and Latin-quoting pretentiousness. I expect it'll last right up to the moment you get seriously ill and need actual treatment.
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When you say 2 new drugs 'discovered' you give the impression these are new. A quick online search will tell you they have been kicking around for many years and used for covid treatment for best part of a year in China and Italy. Lets not get too full of ourselves with the 'UK leading the way' chat.
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New drugs to treat this condition
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They've been using them on an emergency basis, the UK led the trials that actually ensure they're effective and safe. Also when using drugs on an emergency basis they're often used alongside others that may be doing the heavy lifting without actually knowing. Absolutely those that had the foresight to use them should get a mention but it's not a misleading claim in the slightest.
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Glad to see I'm not the only one to look these drugs up to see what they are.
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If only we had lockdown sooner.
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If only China had locked down sooner you mean and they are getting off Scot free .. don't buy anything from China for the next 10 years and see how they get on !
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They did and did it properly
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07/01/2021 17:22:54 123 177
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In science, yes. But sadly not in politics.
39
07/01/2021 17:25:12 27 1
bbc
True but I don't think we're doing quite as bad as the US!
78
07/01/2021 17:31:02 9 2
bbc
That's a low benchmark mind...
850
07/01/2021 20:23:29 2 1
bbc
Yes, but I worry we could become like them, I see Boris as a Trump personality, have big egos, like to hear themselves speak, make unrealistic promises, blame everybody else, make sure you are surrounding by yes mean and women, and guess what? as we come out this and start to try and recover,guess who will pay for it,Not Boris, Michael, or Matthew, no it will be the ordinary guy in the street.
07/01/2021 21:28:15 1 0
bbc
Close, until yesterday.
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07/01/2021 17:25:37 19 20
bbc
Wondeful news!

The UK leads the way, again!

But let's see what the undemocratic bad-losers and Momentum Marxists can find to moan about this

Or perhaps they will just resort to 'whataboutary'

HYS - the gift that just keeps giving (a voice to the loud minority)
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07/01/2021 17:31:16 10 8
bbc
Why is it that people like you feel the need to find phantom enemies? Has anyone moaned about the scientific discoveries made here? Why is it that having "won", you seem incapable of accepting it? "Bad winners" comes to mind.
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07/01/2021 17:34:30 5 5
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Did you not read the article - this is a trial across six countries for two drugs developed and manufactured by Swiss, Japanese, US and French companies. This is a result of collaboration not your nationalistic claptrap.
16
07/01/2021 17:16:09 8 17
bbc
How can we call tocilizumab and sarilumab "life-saving" treatments for COVID-19 when clinical trial data has been far from compelling? Phase III for sarilumab in severe COVID-19 patients missed primary endpoint (t.ly/Y17W), Tocilizumab was not effective for preventing intubation or death in moderately ill hospitalized patients with COVID-19 (t.ly/um7x). Please explain.
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jg
07/01/2021 17:26:10 1 1
bbc
Note the article shows life saving for some, not everybody. Not everybody can take every drug and not every drug is effective for everybody. eg: the doctor recommended a drug for my IBS, I stopped taking it as I got worse. Similarly I cannot take morphine without spewing up. So these Covid treatments will not work for everybody.
12
07/01/2021 17:14:52 694 50
bbc
For an underfunded, overcrowded, crisis hit NHS, the discovery of 2 new COVID 19 treatments is a superb achievement. Maybe after this crisis we can set up a funding formula external from Governmental control and we can stop using it as a political football and leave it alone to deliver world class medical care.

Well done to all involved.
42
07/01/2021 17:26:55 415 72
bbc
What is clear is that we can’t run the NHS as it was envisioned in 1948. Medicine has move on more at such a pace that funding for everything is impossible. Add on to that relentless bureaucracy and waste.

New thinking is need. No easy answer.
209
07/01/2021 17:53:09 57 9
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Problem is that anytime we try to move towards new ways to run the NHS in a more fit for purpose way, people start screaming that it is being destroyed.

We need to decide what the purpose of the NHS is
262
07/01/2021 18:05:17 9 12
bbc
Also makes me mad that the likes of Great Ormond Street Hospital are having to appeal on TV for 'Charity'..as someone said recently Charities are a sign of Government failure
281
07/01/2021 18:13:04 12 7
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Selfishness of the petty British public ( "I'm not going to pay a penny more") is the problem with the National Health.

Stand outside your door and clap on a Thursday evening is fine but pay a few percent more income tax - no way Jose!

And get rid of that damned inefficiency which means there is spare capacity to deal with emergencies like pandemic. No way can we have ANY efficiency.
282
07/01/2021 18:12:55 21 5
bbc
maybe a good idea.stopping breast enlargments,6 year old kids that think they are trapped in the wrong body,hospial tourism.probably loads more.
341
07/01/2021 18:30:03 3 2
bbc
There is an easy answer, but any government actioning it will never get re-elected nor will any opposition get elected.
498
07/01/2021 19:08:49 3 0
bbc
Is it new to suggest examining top-wages, procurement procedures etc ?
626
07/01/2021 19:33:18 3 3
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In 1948 Amazon would not have been allowed to avoid paying tax
636
07/01/2021 19:34:33 0 2
bbc
There is, but the over 65s are somewhat unwilling to make up their vast underpayment
639
07/01/2021 19:35:13 0 0
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I think new syntax is need too.
703
07/01/2021 19:46:51 1 0
bbc
Are you suggesting that a private health care system like the one in the USA would be better ? If so the evidence does not support your idea . Maybe more funding for the NHS would improve things certainly dropping the idea that nurses should pay fees for their course would increase the number of nurses training .
43
07/01/2021 17:26:58 1 4
bbc
That is still 3 out of 4 of these sick patients dying
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ARB
07/01/2021 17:30:19 10 1
bbc
That's better than all of them dying.
76
07/01/2021 17:30:45 2 1
bbc
er no, thats not what the article says. it says 1 extra in 12 will be saved. That does not mean the other 11 will die. Just that the new drug is more effective than the existing ones, which already saves some lives.
91
07/01/2021 17:33:06 4 1
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You really are a glass half empty sort aren't you!

Having had 2 friends die of this in November I think they would have appreciated the increase the odds of their survival that these drugs bring.
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me
07/01/2021 17:33:51 2 1
bbc
Yes but it’s a step in the right direction
100
07/01/2021 17:31:34 4 1
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I think you need to study maths while everyone else studies science!
151
07/01/2021 17:40:54 0 1
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What I mean is that we need to do better. In practice, I would use whatever I can get my hands on.. however marginal.. this is not a game changer
44
07/01/2021 17:26:59 15 20
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Great news. In Boris we trust... :)
60
07/01/2021 17:29:42 7 5
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Good luck with that, worked out well so far (rolls eyes)...
16
07/01/2021 17:16:09 8 17
bbc
How can we call tocilizumab and sarilumab "life-saving" treatments for COVID-19 when clinical trial data has been far from compelling? Phase III for sarilumab in severe COVID-19 patients missed primary endpoint (t.ly/Y17W), Tocilizumab was not effective for preventing intubation or death in moderately ill hospitalized patients with COVID-19 (t.ly/um7x). Please explain.
45
07/01/2021 17:27:07 3 1
bbc
Because it saves an extra life for every 12 people in ICU.

Looks like it's life saving to me, or should we not bother unless it's one in 6 or one in 3, or everyone given it?

Sheesh...
105
07/01/2021 17:34:42 1 2
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Lots of self-appointed experts posting on here. And the usual people who only go on the BBC HYS to complain about the BBC
Best "drug" for everything is prayer, meditation, any form of a spiritual exercise. In addition healthy diet and life style. Mens sana in corpore sano. Being outdoors helps a lot, too. Exercising body and soul. Un-fortunately eating Greggs and other shi#e is not on the list. People make themselves vulnerable through unhealthy choices. Prompt to diseases and viruses. Stretching NHS.
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jg
07/01/2021 17:27:36 8 2
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I tried to keep healthy with a good diet and exercise, I still got cancer.
108
07/01/2021 17:35:00 5 2
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And my grandmother who smokes 60 a day, drinks like Princess Margaret, eats mainly bread and junk survived Cancer and Covid last year. Probably sold her soul to the Devil. She’s 96 and still going strong.
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me
07/01/2021 17:36:16 0 1
bbc
Yes but all you can do is to try to tip the odds in your favour
278
07/01/2021 18:06:16 0 2
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Bad luck, Mate. Obviously including prayer would have stopped that...not!
47
07/01/2021 17:27:48 22 25
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WELL DONE BORIS - we're getting there thanks to your energy, guidance and stewardship. You truly make me proud to be British!!
52
07/01/2021 17:28:31 17 14
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Just...no.
54
07/01/2021 17:28:48 6 2
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Parody account?
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ps
07/01/2021 17:31:19 5 3
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Presume this is 'tongue in cheek'. Or have you been drinking all afternoon!
87
07/01/2021 17:32:29 1 3
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Love it (WUM)
170
07/01/2021 17:45:57 0 2
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Are you on mushrooms? The Thing is less pathiotic than my Huawei phone.
274
07/01/2021 18:10:24 1 2
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Despite of not because!
48
ARB
07/01/2021 17:27:52 381 15
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Encourage your children to study science at school. Drum into them that it is scientists who will get us out of this crisis and what a great career they can have.
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MT
07/01/2021 17:31:20 118 330
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They will leave University with a debt of £50-60,000 and be offered a first job at £18,000........ do the maths
176
07/01/2021 17:47:00 51 2
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Indeed, but unfortunately speaking from experience life science researchers do their jobs out of love for the subject, often at a huge cost to their own stability in life. Careers are shockingly precarious; post-doc positions are usually 1-2 year contracts, with "publish or die" an accepted mantra. The system needs to change to reward those doing such great work.
205
07/01/2021 17:52:06 15 27
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But it's too hard and too few Brits are motivated to work hard. We'll just keep relying on immigration - much to the distaste of the Brexiteers!
292
07/01/2021 18:14:20 0 2
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Only science that big pharma wants to hear
438
07/01/2021 18:53:16 0 4
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Idealistic and naive. Science does not have all the answers.
544
07/01/2021 19:17:30 1 0
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Too many parents push their children towards professions that will make them the most money. Jobs in finance etc. pay a lot more than jobs in science. It’s all to much of “look after No. 1” rather than contribute to society.
671
07/01/2021 19:40:59 1 0
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I have a 1st class degree in genetics and a PhD with postdoc experience. Any parent recommending that their child enter a career in science is tantamount to child abuse. They will struggle to get any job to do with their qualification as they are competing with the millions of people all over the world who will work for virtually minimum wage and do 70 hour weeks just to get a chance.
821
07/01/2021 20:16:14 0 0
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You don't go in at the top with a mega salary. You work your way up by merit. Turn off for most youth. Better to earn a fortune on social media, sadly.
29
07/01/2021 17:23:24 13 11
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Great news obviously, but I must say i’m rather enjoying lockdown. I’m saving loads of money and I have nailed sourdough. I’m also loving spending my mornings on twitter listening to people who agree with my worldview!
50
07/01/2021 17:28:05 11 5
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Well aren't you lucky. The rest of us are stressing out working in unbearable conditions.
123
07/01/2021 17:36:20 1 5
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Probably a teacher.
51
07/01/2021 17:28:10 9 19
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Perhaps we'd better check that these are not produced by companies owned by Boris's mates. Remember Track and Trace? £22 billion and he doesn't ever mention it now!
77
07/01/2021 17:30:52 10 6
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Pathetic post
165
07/01/2021 17:45:14 2 3
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Bitter & frustrated lefty much?
47
07/01/2021 17:27:48 22 25
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WELL DONE BORIS - we're getting there thanks to your energy, guidance and stewardship. You truly make me proud to be British!!
52
07/01/2021 17:28:31 17 14
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Just...no.
18
07/01/2021 17:19:54 2 25
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What's the point. We don't have the staff to administer it. So it wouldn't matter if there were 8 new drugs.
53
07/01/2021 17:28:43 3 1
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There's one small hole in your claim.

We DO have the staff to administer it. ??
47
07/01/2021 17:27:48 22 25
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WELL DONE BORIS - we're getting there thanks to your energy, guidance and stewardship. You truly make me proud to be British!!
54
07/01/2021 17:28:48 6 2
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Parody account?
55
07/01/2021 17:28:52 4 5
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1 in 12 is not 25%, heading with the % % on a % is misleading
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MDK
07/01/2021 17:31:20 11 1
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Read it... it’s an improvement from 36% to 27% mortality which is an improvement of 25%
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07/01/2021 17:33:58 1 1
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It says that for every 12 patients treated 1 extra will survive. This means that of 12 treated without the new drug, 4 would die, with the new drug, 3 die. 3 is 75% of 4 hence the 25%.
HTH x
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07/01/2021 17:35:03 0 1
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No but 36-27=9 and 9/36 = 25%
126
07/01/2021 17:36:34 1 1
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In the text, the saving was from 36% to 27% = 9%, ie dropping by a quarter.
9% itself is about 1 in 12.
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07/01/2021 17:46:42 0 1
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If you treat 12 patients with a mortality of 36% you will expect 4.3 to die. Treat 12 patients with a mortality of 27% only 3.2 will die. Hence 1 life is saved for every 12 patients. You can get the 25% reduction either by dividing 1 by 4 or 9 (36-27) by 36.
12
07/01/2021 17:14:52 694 50
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For an underfunded, overcrowded, crisis hit NHS, the discovery of 2 new COVID 19 treatments is a superb achievement. Maybe after this crisis we can set up a funding formula external from Governmental control and we can stop using it as a political football and leave it alone to deliver world class medical care.

Well done to all involved.
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07/01/2021 17:29:00 75 13
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Absolutely! The NHS really does need to become an autonomous body, free from political party whims. Also to be lead by senior medical professionals, not by over paid "managers" who are mostly glorified admin clerks.
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07/01/2021 17:44:55 59 17
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The vast majority of NHS health care managers are drawn from clinical backgrounds. Those that are not have earned significantly greater amounts in the private sector. Honestly people just read a cheap jab on social media and just bung it out there without the first idea. Without the NHS management teams you would have no NHS. Wise up
433
07/01/2021 18:51:41 5 2
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The senior medical professionals and hierarchy is what is wrong with the NHS - it should be run more like a business and cut out the deadwood.
19
07/01/2021 17:20:16 261 16
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Well done medical research - the unsung heroes in the war. Maybe now the non-vac brigade can really take a hard look at themselves and ask themselves if their luddite beliefs are selfish and undermine the successes of the medics who have only one goal - to save the lives of fellow human beings.
57
07/01/2021 17:29:06 97 50
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Its great having more treatments even if the results aren't world changing, but I hope these are used with care and human suffering is taken into account. A seriously ill elderly patient brought back from the brink of death at all costs only to suffer for many months from the after effects before dying of something else is cruel, it may make for better statistics, but is it better care?
268
07/01/2021 18:08:14 5 17
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are you really advocating culling the elderly?
339
07/01/2021 18:29:01 15 4
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I understand the question you ask - unfortunately most of HYS live in a fantasy world where thinking such a thing is inhumane, but in reality they care more for the pet they bought thier children than they do for thier own parents.
479
07/01/2021 19:03:39 0 0
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DNRs ? We have.
519
07/01/2021 19:12:54 2 1
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Noone will know until they recover, so all you can do is treat them and hope for the best.
742
07/01/2021 19:56:55 0 0
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But if the seriously ill person is 18 to 60 odd - as some are - surely it's worth it right??
975
07/01/2021 20:56:34 0 2
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Thx Phil --- this extra treatment would apply to ALL ages, and it's far from just the elderly that get, and possibly die from, Covid. Or you've had your head in a bucket for 9 months?!
07/01/2021 21:18:26 0 3
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What a defeatist attitude.
I hope you don't get to make decisions on my behalf.
07/01/2021 21:24:25 1 0
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The medics are applying DNR as before. In any disaster, triage is used.
13
07/01/2021 17:15:23 151 28
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It's such a pity that we have become experts in treatment because we have had so many patients to treat.

Well done to all the doctors and scientists involved.
58
07/01/2021 17:29:25 130 2
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the trial was in 6 contries, and anything that finds ways to treat Covid is wonderful news.
948
07/01/2021 20:48:22 0 0
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It was 26 in the EU and Six outside the EU, we were in the EU when it was trialled.
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ps
07/01/2021 17:29:36 1 11
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Anything that helps in recovery is good news, but what the government needs to do is get everyone vaccinated. I hear there are is no vaccine available in Birmingham! The second largest city, really..Bozo should be ashamed, again. He just cannot get anything right. We should be vaccinating 24/7.
107
07/01/2021 17:34:58 10 1
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Oh hush. Supplies are limited. Nothing at all can be done about that. UK has vaccinated close to 1.5m. More than rest of Europe put together.
115
07/01/2021 17:35:42 5 1
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they do have vaccine it is just getting low. Given that they have only just started mass production what would you expect?...
24\7? so you want old folk and vulnerable being driven about at 3am? do the medics not get to sleep.?
182
07/01/2021 17:47:51 0 1
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What you hear is a lie which has been utterly discredited.
Try a more reliable news source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55576788
44
07/01/2021 17:26:59 15 20
bbc
Great news. In Boris we trust... :)
60
07/01/2021 17:29:42 7 5
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Good luck with that, worked out well so far (rolls eyes)...
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07/01/2021 17:29:54 72 23
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Well done to all concerned on finding another ray of hope.

Science 1, Thoughts and Prayers 0 (again) anyone else spot the pattern yet
410
07/01/2021 18:42:38 20 16
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If it's 'science 1, thoughts and prayers 0 "again"', then how it science only be 1?
775
07/01/2021 20:06:41 10 3
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The world of science (physical) and the world of faith (spiritual) exist within one another splendidly...... It is we that are at odds. So experiment, invent, discover....and pray!
952
07/01/2021 20:49:52 1 1
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Yes, stupidity, your post is totally stupid. IF you want Evidenced based science, then why listen to Prof Ferguson and the doomsday cultists of SAGE? Go and look up Oxford's Center for Evidence Based Medicine and ask why the BBC have so often pulled any posts referring to their work and observations on Covid when it contradicted the 'Covid Cultists' dogma?
07/01/2021 22:02:42 4 3
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Why does it have to be Science or Prayer why not Science + Prayer. There are many scientists who pray. I believe that God works with human beings to mend the things in the World that are broken and you don't know how many things have been affected because people have been praying. I'm not a vaccine scientist but I can pray for those who are.
62
07/01/2021 17:23:19 4 15
bbc
Was nt Trump ridiculed for Dexamethsone?????
93
07/01/2021 17:33:11 8 1
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That was chloroquine
96
07/01/2021 17:33:38 5 3
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Nope, that was bleach. Plus an anti malarial they were trialling but wasn't found to be effective
97
07/01/2021 17:33:40 5 1
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No. That one actually works. It was hydroxychloroquine that he mentioned at every opportunity even after it was proved to make no difference. But when have facts ever stopped him before
101
07/01/2021 17:33:20 3 4
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No it was bleach.
103
07/01/2021 17:34:32 1 2
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Maybe, but don’t mention that horrible person on here
111
07/01/2021 17:35:12 0 1
bbc
That was Remdesivir.
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Bob
07/01/2021 17:35:56 4 1
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No that was hydroxychloroquine
132
07/01/2021 17:37:39 2 2
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No that was hydroxychloroquine and bleach...
133
07/01/2021 17:37:58 1 2
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No.. that was chloroquine and bleach. He might have ridiculed dexamethasone because his pals couldn't make any money from it.
229
07/01/2021 17:57:18 2 1
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Trump is just a walking, talking subject of ridicule, period. The damage he has done to the standing of POTUS is immeasurable.
63
07/01/2021 17:24:04 5 8
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Good being out of the EU..they can now put a ban on these drugs being exported
155
07/01/2021 17:41:57 1 1
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We always could.
24
07/01/2021 17:22:26 481 19
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Our biological/medical sciences is one of the few areas where the UK can genuinely still have a claim to be a world leader, this sector must be given huge stimulus to grow in the future.
64
07/01/2021 17:25:35 68 487
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not really...America and Germany is world leader as you know with the covid vaccine
94
07/01/2021 17:33:27 73 7
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Notice I didn't say THE world leader
134
07/01/2021 17:38:23 94 4
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"America and Germany is world leader." I'll let you mull over sorting out that clanger when you've sobered up.
143
07/01/2021 17:39:54 87 3
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What by creating a vaccine that is more expensive and has to be transported at Antarctic temperatures? Pipe down.
173
07/01/2021 17:46:36 24 6
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That well known EU country that is the U S of A, sharing its border with Germany. Fool.
177
07/01/2021 17:47:11 32 3
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Factually Incorrect but you crack on...
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07/01/2021 17:50:37 51 1
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That depends on how you look at it. As most of the world realises, The AZ vaccine is the gamechanger and will most likely dominate the worldwide vaccine programme, not least because it will be at cost to 3rd world countries
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VoR
07/01/2021 17:54:48 53 2
bbc
Your phrasing is very common amongst Russians using English, you know. At least try not to be this obvious a troll.
235
07/01/2021 17:58:53 14 3
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Always one to put an anti uk comment in there, even though we’re all in it together
252
07/01/2021 18:01:32 9 2
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Not what I've heard.
272
07/01/2021 18:09:30 6 1
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Did you perhaps miss *a* world leader, as opposed to *the* world leader?
276
07/01/2021 18:12:28 0 2
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wow
393
07/01/2021 18:42:08 7 0
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That is completely untrue! The Oxford vaccin has been shared, that says it all.
448
07/01/2021 18:57:53 6 0
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Pfizer vaccine was developed by a Turkish company. Swiss company is manufacturing the Moderna vaccine. You’re a tool
449
07/01/2021 18:49:29 6 0
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Didn't know Cambridge was in Germany.
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Jim
07/01/2021 18:59:00 4 0
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An advanced vaccine yes but a very expensive one which is not feasible to be rolled out to the third world. At least the Oxford vaccine is not being made for profit.
473
07/01/2021 19:02:10 6 0
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Jerk.

Report me, have this comment removed. You'll still be a jerk.
756
07/01/2021 20:01:14 0 0
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Dumb and dumber :D. Arguing about vaccines, you been infected intentionally
836
07/01/2021 20:20:09 5 0
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Pfizer (Ger) and Moderna (USA) created vaccines that cost £15-20 a dose and need specialised freezers to store.
Astra Zeneca/Oxford (UK) developed a vaccine that costs £3 a dose and can be stored in a normal fridge. This is far more helpful in terms of getting the virus under control globally.
848
07/01/2021 20:22:37 3 0
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except that the UK vaccine can be stored in a fridge, the Pfizer one needs dry ice.
903
07/01/2021 20:38:43 3 0
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Incorrect: the research is international, the profit taking is corporate.
915
07/01/2021 20:41:08 3 4
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Very Correct, we are so far up our backsides it is a wonder we cannot see our Brains, we have left a Major structure in the EU with the support of 27 Scientific Countries Involved to go on our own, in Six Months I wonder how many will be crying for support, Private Enterprise will not fund them, the EU would have, we are on a big loser on the Scientific front.
930
07/01/2021 20:45:15 2 0
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Oxford Uni and AstraZeneca are British and British/Swedish with HQ in Cambridge England, where my son and daughter in law are scientists. Their vaccine has the cost and logistic potential to be used by a greater global population.
969
07/01/2021 20:54:40 2 0
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The German vaccine is hardly a world leader, given the terrible storage restriction (- SEVENTY degrees!!) which is a thorough nuisance!
Moron. Bet you're a typical antisemitic Corbynite who hates everything British and lives in your mums basement watching kids tv in your underwear. Removed
Wonder if the BBC will remove comments calling out antisemitism again.

Shameful.
Removed
07/01/2021 22:12:48 0 0
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Grow up!
07/01/2021 22:27:22 0 1
bbc
and Israel intends to offer all over 16s the vaccine by March!
07/01/2021 23:49:28 0 0
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Seems you forgot the Oxford Vaccine. Oxford is in the U.K. This vaccine is cheaper and easier to transport compared to the other vaccines in use so far
Dfs
08/01/2021 00:01:43 0 0
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I'm. Afraid you been listening to Donald trump wayyyyy to much.
08/01/2021 00:45:52 0 0
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Oh yeah and the UK has vaccined more people than all of the 27 eu countries put together. entire combined
08/01/2021 01:38:17 0 0
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Like the Oxford University vaccine? Your agenda is obvious.
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07/01/2021 17:20:25 163 30
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UK, leading the way. Again.
65
07/01/2021 17:26:10 4 46
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yeah leading in world Covid deaths
92
07/01/2021 17:33:08 17 4
bbc
Wrong.
106
07/01/2021 17:34:42 21 4
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Except we're not.
Currently 10th & this with numerous factors to exacerbate the issue compared to many other nations.
191
07/01/2021 17:50:33 19 2
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Look at all your down votes then realise not only are you talking nonsense but your negativity is pathetic.
206
07/01/2021 17:52:24 17 2
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Well done getting all your posts consistently and spectacularly wrong. Its a real talent. Keep writing you know what they say about a monkey and a typewriter. lol
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07/01/2021 17:19:54 2 25
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What's the point. We don't have the staff to administer it. So it wouldn't matter if there were 8 new drugs.
66
07/01/2021 17:27:13 3 1
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it is administered with the other drugs
67
07/01/2021 17:27:38 0 3
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What if patients were given the vaccine on arrival if they haven't already had it - can it work if they already have it because we are told if they have it before they have less problems?
114
07/01/2021 17:35:41 2 1
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No.. the vaccine takes around the same time to work as it does to recover from the virus.
Nice idea.. wish it was so easy!
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07/01/2021 17:16:42 150 4
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Well done to all involved. Between this revelation, Dexamethasone being widely available, staff more experienced with treating covid patients and the vaccines, we must surely be in a much better place towards the end of the year.
68
07/01/2021 17:28:18 61 57
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but no testing at borders
558
07/01/2021 19:21:16 7 3
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No you need a negative test 72 hours before you leave to come to the UK..
786
07/01/2021 20:10:03 2 9
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testing for covid or testing for being non white to fit your agenda?
871
07/01/2021 20:28:45 2 2
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It would have been wise a year ago, but testing at borders would not have prevented the UK strain.
Best "drug" for everything is prayer, meditation, any form of a spiritual exercise. In addition healthy diet and life style. Mens sana in corpore sano. Being outdoors helps a lot, too. Exercising body and soul. Un-fortunately eating Greggs and other shi#e is not on the list. People make themselves vulnerable through unhealthy choices. Prompt to diseases and viruses. Stretching NHS.
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LG
07/01/2021 17:30:05 3 4
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Have you been taking Latin lessons from chief clown?
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07/01/2021 17:19:54 2 25
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What's the point. We don't have the staff to administer it. So it wouldn't matter if there were 8 new drugs.
70
07/01/2021 17:30:17 0 3
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If it cuts stays then that will free up staff.. but marginal.
Not much choice in rotten apples
43
07/01/2021 17:26:58 1 4
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That is still 3 out of 4 of these sick patients dying
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ARB
07/01/2021 17:30:19 10 1
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That's better than all of them dying.
72
07/01/2021 17:30:25 29 5
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coincidental maybe but i caught covid in hospital then 1 week later i had gout i was given colchicine which is gout medication and maybe didnt get to ill although i spent 24 days on oxygen - since coming home feeling poorly i have had gout again , once course of colchicine given again i feel a lot better breathing and not so heavy with coughing
129
07/01/2021 17:36:51 30 2
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Could be - it is an anti-inflammatory.
226
07/01/2021 17:56:20 3 1
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Tell the medics, not the numpties on HYS. Probably coincidental but who knows...
569
07/01/2021 19:22:25 5 0
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Colchicine is a medicine for treating inflammation and pain. Tell your doctor it helped your breathing....
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07/01/2021 17:30:26 27 2
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Great news keep it up ????
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07/01/2021 17:15:23 151 28
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It's such a pity that we have become experts in treatment because we have had so many patients to treat.

Well done to all the doctors and scientists involved.
74
07/01/2021 17:28:44 1 6
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yeah to keep borders open with no testing they shifted it on the NHS
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07/01/2021 17:14:52 694 50
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For an underfunded, overcrowded, crisis hit NHS, the discovery of 2 new COVID 19 treatments is a superb achievement. Maybe after this crisis we can set up a funding formula external from Governmental control and we can stop using it as a political football and leave it alone to deliver world class medical care.

Well done to all involved.
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07/01/2021 17:29:45 1 39
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well be non UK research
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07/01/2021 17:45:46 30 4
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Really? Shows what you know. The development included significant amounts of British expertise and excellence.
43
07/01/2021 17:26:58 1 4
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That is still 3 out of 4 of these sick patients dying
76
07/01/2021 17:30:45 2 1
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er no, thats not what the article says. it says 1 extra in 12 will be saved. That does not mean the other 11 will die. Just that the new drug is more effective than the existing ones, which already saves some lives.
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07/01/2021 17:28:10 9 19
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Perhaps we'd better check that these are not produced by companies owned by Boris's mates. Remember Track and Trace? £22 billion and he doesn't ever mention it now!
77
07/01/2021 17:30:52 10 6
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Pathetic post
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07/01/2021 17:41:42 3 4
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Why pathetic? The truth is that 22 mil went to his pals for something it is not working.
39
07/01/2021 17:25:12 27 1
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True but I don't think we're doing quite as bad as the US!
78
07/01/2021 17:31:02 9 2
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That's a low benchmark mind...
79
07/01/2021 17:31:09 131 7
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every treatment that saves a life is great news . Well done to all those concerned.
80
07/01/2021 17:31:14 2 6
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It is amazing how confident you can be, based on so little evidence, if Big Pharma is writing the cheques.
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07/01/2021 17:25:37 19 20
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Wondeful news!

The UK leads the way, again!

But let's see what the undemocratic bad-losers and Momentum Marxists can find to moan about this

Or perhaps they will just resort to 'whataboutary'

HYS - the gift that just keeps giving (a voice to the loud minority)
81
07/01/2021 17:31:16 10 8
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Why is it that people like you feel the need to find phantom enemies? Has anyone moaned about the scientific discoveries made here? Why is it that having "won", you seem incapable of accepting it? "Bad winners" comes to mind.
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07/01/2021 17:35:36 3 6
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Firstly, you are obviously new here

Secondly, it is very interesting that you have now accepted that you have lost (both Brexit and Marxism) and are finally referring to us as 'winners', although of course you have to include some insults and / or abuse by add ing the prefix 'bad'

PMSL
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07/01/2021 17:27:48 22 25
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WELL DONE BORIS - we're getting there thanks to your energy, guidance and stewardship. You truly make me proud to be British!!
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ps
07/01/2021 17:31:19 5 3
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Presume this is 'tongue in cheek'. Or have you been drinking all afternoon!
55
07/01/2021 17:28:52 4 5
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1 in 12 is not 25%, heading with the % % on a % is misleading
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MDK
07/01/2021 17:31:20 11 1
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Read it... it’s an improvement from 36% to 27% mortality which is an improvement of 25%
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ARB
07/01/2021 17:27:52 381 15
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Encourage your children to study science at school. Drum into them that it is scientists who will get us out of this crisis and what a great career they can have.
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MT
07/01/2021 17:31:20 118 330
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They will leave University with a debt of £50-60,000 and be offered a first job at £18,000........ do the maths
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07/01/2021 17:34:34 26 8
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Not in Scotland they won't!

Well, not "until" indy anyway...
113
07/01/2021 17:35:37 82 7
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so a job in medical research is not worth pursuing then? On the basis of money..?There are other reasons people choose science as a career than financial reward
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ARB
07/01/2021 17:40:09 84 2
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If they took notice of you the country wouldn't have a single scientist. Good job they don't.
156
07/01/2021 17:38:46 75 3
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A career was the key word, sure the ‘first’ job will be low paid as this is where you gain your experience. It’s a similar path in engineering. Do the long term maths.
157
07/01/2021 17:39:19 96 1
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And if they're earning £18k, they won't have to repay that 'debt', will they?
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07/01/2021 17:51:23 37 5
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You clearly have no clue about student loans. The CBeebies page is elsewhere. Muppet.
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07/01/2021 17:54:26 24 2
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I did the maths.

They don't pay back their loans until the my earn over a certain threshold, and then you pay back 9% only on the amount of salary above the threshold.

So not a lot to pay back. But surely there is a better way especially when you realise all loans come from the tax payer first before they are paid back 30 years later...
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VoR
07/01/2021 18:00:09 15 2
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Firstly, those with science degrees will likely earn more than £18k, if not in their first year, then very soon afterwards. Secondly, those with science degrees will tend to progress into higher paid roles.

It's the degrees that don't lead to better jobs that are a scam. The person borrowing is unlikely to every repay the amount borrowed; the tax payer more often than not gets no value from it.
246
07/01/2021 18:01:40 1 1
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Enjoy the couch and free check then
248
07/01/2021 18:02:14 6 7
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Lies. You get paid 20k a year tax free to do a science Ph.D and 40k for your first post doc. You really need a Ph.D though, unless you just want to be a technician or sales rep.
257
07/01/2021 18:03:25 1 1
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Don't have to go to University but if you have a useful degree then you will earn more.
284
07/01/2021 18:14:26 15 2
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The debt does not even need to be started to be paid off until the earnings are above 27k. If you never earn above that the debt is written off after 30 years. The maximum you repay is 9% of earnings. The debt is non interest. The figure of 50k is a meaningless amount bandied about by the media.
YOU do the maths!!
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07/01/2021 18:24:35 9 2
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For gods sake why can’t people get over the debt word IT IS NOT A DEBT. More accurately it is an additional tax on earnings over a certain amount until you have paid the equivalent amount. If you don’t earn enough you DO NOT Pay it back - that is not a loan. Remember this was initially Labour Party idea before all say it’s a Tories scam
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07/01/2021 18:25:37 1 2
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We also have no chemistry employment or companies, even BP has left the UK, mostly to either look for new oil and gas also manage other peoples gas supplies.
The composites facility close to some Uni site is a disgrace in equipment and sources due the vehicle and Aerospace industries being also nothing in the UK well before Corvid19.
328
07/01/2021 18:27:02 4 2
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Which is why the UK needs to cut tuition fees for STEM subjects, and particularly nurses.

They can always fund it by increasing the tuition fees for those doing vanity degrees in media studies or the history of art from the university of former polytechnic. They are all going to end up working in Costa anyway, so wont have to repay it.
335
07/01/2021 18:28:38 1 1
bbc
The lack of actual "industry" means the science employment is both minimal in both sentences of the word in the number of companies also the financial reward!
348
07/01/2021 18:27:53 1 1
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If you get up in time for morning tv, look out for Martin Lewis he will explain to you in simple terms how it all works!
351
07/01/2021 18:31:59 1 3
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I earned more than £18k in my first post doc in 1993. I earn £47k now as a Uni research fellow. Plus as I was involved in setting up a start up company to commercialise our research, I also have shares in that company that may have a value.
366
07/01/2021 18:35:32 1 1
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Absolute nonsense. Not only do the great majority of science graduates earn a lot more than what you suggest, their earning potential is also massively enhanced. You do the maths Luddite!
404
07/01/2021 18:38:10 0 0
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MT- Maybe you should go to university and study science, hopefully it will improve your maths. If it doesn't at least you won't have to pay back the loan.
445
07/01/2021 18:56:09 4 0
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Absolute rubbish! Most grads in any STEM earn way more and progression is rapid, because they are in high demand

I started in '98 on a higher wage than you suggested, around 40k by late 00's and then consulting after that...which is double again.

It is totally worth doing. If your children show interest, please encourage - we need more home grown talent
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Jim
07/01/2021 19:02:07 0 0
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Are you sure about that?
506
07/01/2021 19:10:18 0 0
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I tripled my salary in 6 years. So your 'do the maths' comment is utterly pointless. the sciences and qualifications that genuinely add to the betterment of society (NOT gender studies or any of that nonsense) should be expensive, as they end up in jobs that tend to pay very well.
513
07/01/2021 19:11:34 2 0
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I got more than that with my first engineering role over a decade ago, work out the equivalent today after inflation and it's not bad. Not as good as banking, granted, but decent pensions, never out of work, opportunity to contract, see some amazing bits of kit (what ever industry you're in). You do the math.
516
07/01/2021 19:11:42 0 0
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Yes, take a short-term view, get a dead-end job that may not last, but earn a load of money now and splash it out on take-away coffees etc etc.
On second thoughts, where would a university leaver walk straight into an £18000 job? I'm sure people would like to know.
588
07/01/2021 19:27:40 0 1
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Unless they go to University in Scotland, then they will get it for free! Maybe it is time England also thought about independence.
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Kul
07/01/2021 19:33:13 0 0
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Welcome to pretty much all jobs today, most of which need a degree and incurr debt if parental financing is not available.
697
07/01/2021 19:47:11 0 0
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So start paying experts what they're really worth then...
704
07/01/2021 19:48:23 0 0
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Must be on a different planet to the engineers I know who are some of the best paid professionals around from graduation.
If you CAN do the maths, you'll find it's a win. However, Labour should never had abandoned grants and introduced fees, that's a given.
774
07/01/2021 20:06:08 0 0
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Meaning they don’t have to pay back the £50k... and then at very low levels once their salary goes up - do you know how it works?
783
07/01/2021 20:09:46 0 0
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You've got to speculate to accumulate as they say.
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07/01/2021 20:17:50 0 0
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In that case they will not have to repay it
85
07/01/2021 17:31:43 46 1
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Excellent news , we need all the help available
38
07/01/2021 17:25:06 17 5
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If only China had locked down sooner you mean and they are getting off Scot free .. don't buy anything from China for the next 10 years and see how they get on !
86
07/01/2021 17:32:02 2 8
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They did and did it properly
47
07/01/2021 17:27:48 22 25
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WELL DONE BORIS - we're getting there thanks to your energy, guidance and stewardship. You truly make me proud to be British!!
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07/01/2021 17:32:29 1 3
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Love it (WUM)
Best "drug" for everything is prayer, meditation, any form of a spiritual exercise. In addition healthy diet and life style. Mens sana in corpore sano. Being outdoors helps a lot, too. Exercising body and soul. Un-fortunately eating Greggs and other shi#e is not on the list. People make themselves vulnerable through unhealthy choices. Prompt to diseases and viruses. Stretching NHS.
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07/01/2021 17:32:39 5 4
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Prayer does absolutely nothing to fight the virus. Healthy eating yes, but religious mumbo jumbo is utter nonsense. Stop spouting this crap.
Prayer is the only superpower humans have coz our superpower is the Mighty G-d's ONLY weakness. Try it. Find out for yourself. The best " thing" we have been issued with in this life.
Prayer is amazing. Beyond any human comprehension.
89
07/01/2021 17:32:44 121 9
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Slowly but inexorably we're getting the upper hand on this virus, the more weapons we have in our arsenal the quicker we'll get back to some semblance of normality.
183
07/01/2021 17:47:57 38 14
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A new normal, not what we had 1 year ago
216
07/01/2021 17:54:25 16 2
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In the meantime: STAY AT HOME! Yes we have lots of clever people on the case but sadly we have millions behaving as only fools can.
389
07/01/2021 18:35:32 5 2
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it is mutating so you need drugs to treat it aswell as vaccine
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07/01/2021 17:33:04 3 16
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Watching Bozo's briefing, why was the army bod wearing camouflage?

And anyway, all the army's doing is shipping some drugs around.

Both hilarious and pathetic....
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07/01/2021 17:35:44 6 1
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I couldn't see the army bloke...
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07/01/2021 17:35:51 2 1
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No you are hilarious and pathetic everyone else is trying to do something..
121
07/01/2021 17:35:58 3 1
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That's what army bods do.
124
07/01/2021 17:36:24 2 2
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Army shall scare virus and make it disappear in the same way it made fishing waters safer.
153
07/01/2021 17:41:21 3 2
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The army has fully trained doctors. Who do you think treated our soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq?
233
07/01/2021 17:57:53 2 1
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Another pathetic comment, As with all your other nonsense. Listen to what's being said and you might learn something. Logistical nightmare but we have the best armed forces in the world making sure it happens. And you are concerned about his outfit. Unbelievable.
43
07/01/2021 17:26:58 1 4
bbc
That is still 3 out of 4 of these sick patients dying
91
07/01/2021 17:33:06 4 1
bbc
You really are a glass half empty sort aren't you!

Having had 2 friends die of this in November I think they would have appreciated the increase the odds of their survival that these drugs bring.
65
07/01/2021 17:26:10 4 46
bbc
yeah leading in world Covid deaths
92
07/01/2021 17:33:08 17 4
bbc
Wrong.
62
07/01/2021 17:23:19 4 15
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Was nt Trump ridiculed for Dexamethsone?????
93
07/01/2021 17:33:11 8 1
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That was chloroquine
64
07/01/2021 17:25:35 68 487
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not really...America and Germany is world leader as you know with the covid vaccine
94
07/01/2021 17:33:27 73 7
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Notice I didn't say THE world leader
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07/01/2021 17:39:28 71 3
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Why not

Cheapest to make
Cheapest and easiest to distribute

Made in Britain
95
07/01/2021 17:33:32 2 7
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UK..UK..UK
195
07/01/2021 17:51:00 2 1
bbc
The UK has contributed very little to this announcement, was that just a random outburst from you?

Calm down dear....
62
07/01/2021 17:23:19 4 15
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Was nt Trump ridiculed for Dexamethsone?????
96
07/01/2021 17:33:38 5 3
bbc
Nope, that was bleach. Plus an anti malarial they were trialling but wasn't found to be effective
62
07/01/2021 17:23:19 4 15
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Was nt Trump ridiculed for Dexamethsone?????
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07/01/2021 17:33:40 5 1
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No. That one actually works. It was hydroxychloroquine that he mentioned at every opportunity even after it was proved to make no difference. But when have facts ever stopped him before
43
07/01/2021 17:26:58 1 4
bbc
That is still 3 out of 4 of these sick patients dying
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me
07/01/2021 17:33:51 2 1
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Yes but it’s a step in the right direction
55
07/01/2021 17:28:52 4 5
bbc
1 in 12 is not 25%, heading with the % % on a % is misleading
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07/01/2021 17:33:58 1 1
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It says that for every 12 patients treated 1 extra will survive. This means that of 12 treated without the new drug, 4 would die, with the new drug, 3 die. 3 is 75% of 4 hence the 25%.
HTH x
43
07/01/2021 17:26:58 1 4
bbc
That is still 3 out of 4 of these sick patients dying
100
07/01/2021 17:31:34 4 1
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I think you need to study maths while everyone else studies science!