Covid-19: Pub closures 'will waste 87 million pints of beer'
05/02/2021
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That's enough liquid to fill 20 Olympic swimming pools - or many, many thousands of baths.
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How many litres of piss?
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Hospitality has been the fall guy of the pandemic, the last to open but first to close and probably one of the safest regulated environments.
Yet was gifted big VAT cuts and a super generous customer subsidy scheme.
Where strangers gather indoors for extended periods?????
Probably not safe at all. You wouldn't know it from the BBC coverage, but every time "success story" South Korea reopened their pubs and restaurants cases went up and they had to close them again. It was a very clear effect, largely because they kept on doing it again and again every few weeks with the same results. (Imagine the wasted pints and food, the economic damage... no articles about that)
How can you say the safest environment when last summer the photos of city centers showed exactly the opposite?.
Eating at a table with people you live with is probably one of the lowest risk activities. The risk to/from staff is pretty low with procedures followed and if tables must be booked in advance there is the chance of tracing contacts.
However there is also hospitality where people from different households share a table, spend a long time facing each other in close proximity. This is not low risk.
However there is also hospitality where people from different households share a table, spend a long time facing each other in close proximity. This is not low risk.
There seems to be the assumption that sticking a bottle of handgel on the wall and a few keep your distance signs makes an inherently dangerous environment safe.
There are no safe environments regarding people drinking because inevitably little common sense prevails
And a year in the lives of tens of millioins of young people
The same “ young people” who selfishly don’t give a fig about anyone but themselves .. partying, raving, breaking lockdown rules.
They reap what they sow!!
They reap what they sow!!
Time those young people could have been wasting boozing in pubs?
Yes. I heard on the BBC last summer about booze-crazed people turning up to drink at seaside parties.
Yes. I heard on the BBC last summer about booze-crazed people turning up to drink at seaside parties.
Young people have their entire lives ahead of them to catch up, diddums to losing a few nights in the pub over the lockdowns. Loads of them gained months and months to play games on furlough as well!
Nonsense.
You've been inconvenienced for less than 12 months, so stop being so precious & apply yourselves to making up for it once restrictions are removed.
You've been inconvenienced for less than 12 months, so stop being so precious & apply yourselves to making up for it once restrictions are removed.
Here we go again.
Not just you, there are others.
The difference is we just get on with it instead of moaning about no laptop, no food parcel, nothing to do, I can't meet my friends.
On second thoughts, you do meet your friends, regularly, in illegal student house parties
Not just you, there are others.
The difference is we just get on with it instead of moaning about no laptop, no food parcel, nothing to do, I can't meet my friends.
On second thoughts, you do meet your friends, regularly, in illegal student house parties
Now you can bore the pants off your great grand parents about how easy they had it during the war.
I'll have a barrel or two if they're just going to waste...
Lockdowns have wasted and destroyed more than beer - families livelihoods, businesses, life!
Correction: Boris Johnson's incompetent handling of the coronavirus has wasted and destroyed these things.
And the virus has been responsible for over 100,000 deaths !!
That’s about as “ destroyed” as it gets
Some people need to get their priorities right
That’s about as “ destroyed” as it gets
Some people need to get their priorities right
Lockdowns are a symptom of mishandling.
*Mismanagement* of lockdowns, to be accurate. Their necessity is unarguable.
and yet has saved lives. Go figure.
Lockdowns have saved lives, not wasted them.
And to re-state the obvious; the lockdowns haven't been an arbitrary act of self-harm made for no reason; they have been an internationally and reluctantly used measure to limit the deaths from a killer virus until enough people can be vaccinated.
Not seen any of my family, other than my parents since end Jan 2020. Longest time I didn't see them before this was 4 months as had surgery.
Covid-19: Pub closures 'will waste 87 million pints of beer'
Just create some free pick-up points and we will do the rest and I guarantee there will be no waste.
Just create some free pick-up points and we will do the rest and I guarantee there will be no waste.
That would be better than the Environmental Issues of flushing it all down the drain!
Remove the ridiculous duty charges and I am sure a lot of people will buy it, win win for all!
Nice one Finkelstein !
What a load of media B******s.
Why not tip it down the drain and cut out the middle person? Especially if it's "UK lager. ;-)
It’s in casks/kegs - how do you suppose you pick it up? And if it’s free, how do you suppose this helps the bar owners?
Why is this not an option....they talk like it's the only answer to just pour it away, crazy world.
They could probably sell it on for cost to the general public to be honest
There is a very strong case for an action against the Government for Restraint of Trade.The Common Law has been flouted.
Someone brought a legal challenge against the lockdown months ago. I t failed on the grounds of the greater good of the greater number. I doubt the case you envisage would have any greater success
If I was in a pub, I'd raise a toast to all those queue jumping London and Rochdale teachers who have gamed the system and got their jabs ahead of the most vulnerable. Well done all of you!
What's happened to the story BBC? It's gone from front page to the England page to oblivion in a flash. Are teachers untouchable then? Removed
What's happened to the story BBC? It's gone from front page to the England page to oblivion in a flash. Are teachers untouchable then? Removed
Maybe the truth behind the headline was that they utilised vaccines that would have been thrown away otherwise.
Nice to see these lovely people have not been wasting their time.
A fine example to the rest of us and all their eager pupils.
A fine example to the rest of us and all their eager pupils.
So its ok for teachers, who are forced to go to work and to mix with kids, who have no restrictions on them, and then go home to their own families who are sheilding, without any protection? your being the selfish one, if you wasn't you wouldnt have made it about you 3 comments down
So, you're clearly in favour of a lockdown - to prevent spread - but you don't want teachers who are at risk of exposure and hence a transmission path to be vaccinated ahead of you, bearing in mind that a mixture of vaccines reduces transmission? Clown.
Perhaps when it was checked it was not accurate? that's the thing about mainstream media, they have at least a little accountability.
I was a teacher and I understand the worries that they may have about picking up Covid, but I have to agree with you. This will go down very badly with other people who are also at risk, but who have to wait their turn.
87 million pints? That's more than I drink in a whole week!
A real shame. For a lot of pubs and some of the smaller breweries this would have been the straw that broke the camel's back. Without wanting to go all Boris, when the pubs safe to open I really hope people flock to them. Not many industries have had such a torrid time of it in the last year (and indeed preceding years). A cut on beer duty offset by a tax on supermarket booze would help I think.
It'll only be a waste if they don't think of plans around the loss. Like why not sell it off to homes, or takeaway pints like some places did in the first place.
Stop whining and find a work around, it's not like you've had a year to think about it
Stop whining and find a work around, it's not like you've had a year to think about it
The market for takeaway beer from pubs is much smaller than the market for drinks when the pub is open. UYou can't just decide to sell it all - someone has to want to buy it.
There’s also restrictions on selling alcohol as a takeaway you cretin!
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Lockdowns have wasted and destroyed more than beer - families livelihoods, businesses, life!
Only for 100,000. Not 70 million.
Seriously. Is this actually important? Beer wasted. Oh what a shame. There are FAR more important things during a pandemic than beer.
Like the livelihoods of the millions of people who have seen good businesses, built up by years of hard work, turned to dust by the hysterical overreaction of a shrill minority.
Breweries, or Treasury paying for the Environmental detrimental effects?
Would it not be best to move away from cheap booze, which causes massive deprivation to Society and go back to just having a good quality pint, or wine for occasions.
I blame the supermarkets. Too handy to put a few bottles in the trolley. What effect have supermarkets had on the Local? All for highly inflated profits.
Would it not be best to move away from cheap booze, which causes massive deprivation to Society and go back to just having a good quality pint, or wine for occasions.
I blame the supermarkets. Too handy to put a few bottles in the trolley. What effect have supermarkets had on the Local? All for highly inflated profits.
At least they will have customers post lock down, far more than had we followed the advice of these Wealth before Health clowns
So you've invented free healthcare that functions in the absence of money, have you?
Perhaps they won't. I was a seasoned real ale drinker and I've now got used to not going to the pub and don't miss it anymore. We also have to realise that they need to claw back lost income, so we can expect a massive rise in prices. I doubt we'll see many under £5 a pint in the South East.
??After lockdown, we need to think less about binge drinking, and more about quality drinking time, and actually appreciating the social occasion rather than just knocking back pints??
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I heard it was £88 million pints
The whole years been a waste if Doris hadn't put the economy and his crony's profits before the health of the population we'd be out of this by now.
Small beer in comparison to lives lost.
Not a lot can be done now but let's see proposals to help out the hospitality sector once it can reopen with confidence. In the meantime surely a little ingenuity is all that is required to salvage something from the situation. It's not like this has just happened.
Meh. It's not like it's toxic waste that's difficult to dispose of.... actually, that's debatable with some beers.
That's 16,000,000,000 calories saved from an obese nation. Or 330,000 stone.
You just fat shamed the whole nation!
I thought selling a Scotch Egg was the loophole to operating as normal?
Lockdowns have wasted and destroyed more than beer - families livelihoods, businesses, life!
And I'm guessing you think people who break lockdown rules are allowed to get off scot free as a result
Correction: misleading BBC reporting has given the false impression Boris Johnson's incompetent handling of the coronavirus did it. Remember that story about South Korea's contact tracing being so good they could reopen pubs? It isn't - every time they reopened, cases went up and they had to be shut down again, but their government kept on trying anyway. Imagine the BBC headlines if Boris did that
Nonsense.
The government has done as well as any other nation's under extreme & often dynamic circumstances & certainly better than anything Labour could have achieved.
Especially the most important: getting people vaccinated.
The government has done as well as any other nation's under extreme & often dynamic circumstances & certainly better than anything Labour could have achieved.
Especially the most important: getting people vaccinated.
It is a combination of both. The highly incompetent, totally insane Johnson and his mob have done nothing but show their sheer incompetence to get to grips with the pandemic over the past year, with their half baked, pussy footing around ideas (like the tier system) which DO NOT work and never will.
Now look at the situation, back to square one, all due the government's sheer incompetence.
Now look at the situation, back to square one, all due the government's sheer incompetence.
There is a very strong case for an action against the Government for Restraint of Trade.The Common Law has been flouted.
Many of these brewers main beer suppliers didn’t use their intelligence had they set up an online ordering system with appropriate containers they could have shipped to households at a fraction of cost and still made some money on it.
Just not the demand in the same volume though sadly. There is some demand there, but for a lot of people the social aspect is a big draw of it. Having a pint alone in your living room doesn't have the same appeal.
87 million pints? Put some snap on, I'll get my mates to pop round and we'll work our way through it. It may take a week or two though.
On Wednesday the UK vaccinated 469000 people. France vaccinated less than 500.
I think this is a difficult situation but we will be back in the bars long before the rest of Europe.
In the meantime I'm brinking bottled beers and making sure they aren't imported.
I think this is a difficult situation but we will be back in the bars long before the rest of Europe.
In the meantime I'm brinking bottled beers and making sure they aren't imported.
I think you've been "brinking" enough!
BTW why are imported beers a problem for you but imported Covid vaccines OK?
BTW why are imported beers a problem for you but imported Covid vaccines OK?
France's handling of the end-game vaccination is appalling, and it will surely reflect on their heavily centralised and controlling method of government in the end. Lazy French workers (the hard working ones left the country) won't work weekends, even for critical situations like this.
Italy reopened their bars and cafes last week in 2/3 of the nation
Many other EU nations are not even locked down
How do you not know this?
Many other EU nations are not even locked down
How do you not know this?
That's funny, because bars are open now in most of Europe, albeit with curfews and limits on group sizes. Good luck on that flat murky beer, I'll stick to the far superior beers from Germany, Spain, Poland and Netherlands.
There was / is no need for this, as has already been mentioned, all the beer could have been sold as takeaways without the need for wastage, I wonder what happened to all the beer in the house of commons bar..........I bet that didn't go down the drain!
Really - I dont think you have any understanding of the running costs of a pub..My local (having spoke to them in depth in Dec) simply cannot run takeaway beer sales as the volume of sales will not pay for having people working, its better to shut the pub total and put all staff on furlough. Thats probably the maths for most pubs except a few cases.
I'm at a loss as to why anyone would want a take-away beer. Surely the draw of the pub is being in the pub so take that away, you may as well just buy from the supermarket and drink it home for a fraction of the cost. If the beer is just going to be chucked there must be a way of selling it off at a really low price though rather than pour it away.
Why would you pay £4 for a takeaway pint, when you can get 4 cans for a fiver at your local supermarket?
Of course the beer did not go to waste in the commons bar, because that would have been a total sin to deny the corrupted politicians of their pleasure and following their own rules.
They do not give a toss about the severe damage they have caused to people's livelihoods and jobs, as long as they have still got theirs with their highly overpaid salaries. Despicable characters all of them.
They do not give a toss about the severe damage they have caused to people's livelihoods and jobs, as long as they have still got theirs with their highly overpaid salaries. Despicable characters all of them.
Yes but in a regulated environment therefore mitigated. Please provide evidence that the sector is responsible for spreading the virus, you won’t find anything conclusive. In Wales Brains pubs served 850,000 customers and had 5 track and trace calls.
“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” - Benjamin Franklin
accordingly the 87 Mill pints throw out should not be trivialised - 'tis a sign I tell 'ee!
accordingly the 87 Mill pints throw out should not be trivialised - 'tis a sign I tell 'ee!
I’d do it some damage the mood I’m in !
It's odd that they aren't chucking milk away. It's as if the supermarkets don't sell beer.
That's not just a blow to the breweries -but also the treasury
87 million pints? Put some snap on, I'll get my mates to pop round and we'll work our way through it. It may take a week or two though.
Where strangers gather indoors for extended periods?????
As someone who works in a restaurant, I can tell you track and trace calls mean nothing.
In October we had 2 staff members test positive and 3 others self isolating with symptoms. Track and trace did nothing!
We stayed open and none of the customers were made aware of the situation.
Track and trace failed miserably and the resteraunt sure is not regulated.
In October we had 2 staff members test positive and 3 others self isolating with symptoms. Track and trace did nothing!
We stayed open and none of the customers were made aware of the situation.
Track and trace failed miserably and the resteraunt sure is not regulated.
Absence of evidence is evidence of absence?
Couldn't it be used as fertiliser or drain cleaner?
I know the stuff they serve in my local could (only joking, I miss you, pub)
I know the stuff they serve in my local could (only joking, I miss you, pub)
Brings a tear to the eye :( :(
Whether it's the outlets or returned to the breweries it's still waste. How can they be expected to gear up and close with a product with a short shelf life, with little notice. I don't think takeaway pints is practical for health reasons. As the government closes hospitality there should be proper compensation for stock losses.
Absolutely
Suppose they could start feeding it to the people who will be locked up in quarantine hotels. But I think we should be worrying more about the terrible death rate in this Country rather than some lost beer.
Just another step in the UK beomming a Caliphate.
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Slow creep....BAME communities not getting vaccinated.
The Guardian says it's my fault. Removed
The Guardian says it's my fault. Removed
Yes, them & the ultra--"christian" New Puritans are a nasty bunch
Just a thought. But the shelves in the supermarkets are stacked with beer. It comes from the breweries.
I'm struggling to understand why a brewery would have to pour away beer that can be stored for months.
Stick what you have in cans and stop breweing the stuff if you can't sell it.
I'm struggling to understand why a brewery would have to pour away beer that can be stored for months.
Stick what you have in cans and stop breweing the stuff if you can't sell it.
Majority of real ales are seasonal and still have use-by dates. Live beer tastes so much better than bottled. Yes it could be stored for a limited time but who wants a winter warmer in spring or a fresh hoppy spring pale in autumn. Lager can be stored for much longer if that takes your fancy.
Probably not safe at all. You wouldn't know it from the BBC coverage, but every time "success story" South Korea reopened their pubs and restaurants cases went up and they had to close them again. It was a very clear effect, largely because they kept on doing it again and again every few weeks with the same results. (Imagine the wasted pints and food, the economic damage... no articles about that)
Good news for public health!
Be a good person and eat your smashed avocado, let the grownups talk will you.
Utter lying "New Puritan" cobblers.
Beer kills most bacteria & quite a few viruses & in moderate quantities is actually good for you
Beer kills most bacteria & quite a few viruses & in moderate quantities is actually good for you
virtual signalling
most humans can drink beer and adopt it , and live a reasonable healthy life
beer= evil is just so woke
most humans can drink beer and adopt it , and live a reasonable healthy life
beer= evil is just so woke
If only they could synthesise the vaccine and stick it in a pint the population would be vaccinated within 10 minutes! :)
Correction: Boris Johnson's incompetent handling of the coronavirus has wasted and destroyed these things.
You cannot deny that Johnson was hopeless from day one of this pandemic. Regardless of political party affiliation. Shaking hands with covid patients, talking of 'herd immunity', never shutting down airports, cheltenham festival going ahead, losing millions of our tax money on track and trace. He's been utterly dreadful.
On Wednesday the UK vaccinated 469000 people. France vaccinated less than 500.
I think this is a difficult situation but we will be back in the bars long before the rest of Europe.
In the meantime I'm brinking bottled beers and making sure they aren't imported.
I think this is a difficult situation but we will be back in the bars long before the rest of Europe.
In the meantime I'm brinking bottled beers and making sure they aren't imported.
Bottle it, (refillable? With a deposit/ return) cask it (with a tap) and sell it online.
There was / is no need for this, as has already been mentioned, all the beer could have been sold as takeaways without the need for wastage, I wonder what happened to all the beer in the house of commons bar..........I bet that didn't go down the drain!
Really - I dont think you have any understanding of the running costs of a pub..My local (having spoke to them in depth in Dec) simply cannot run takeaway beer sales as the volume of sales will not pay for having people working, its better to shut the pub total and put all staff on furlough. Thats probably the maths for most pubs except a few cases.
Well it depends on having a live-in landlord or not. Live-in landlord, otherwise doing very little or maybe taking the opportunity to spruce up the decor, can easily sell takeaway beer without having to pay staff. No live-in landlord, then no, why travel in to do this?
Just another step in the UK beomming a Caliphate.
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Its your privilege that is to blame :-)!....Thought you knew that...
if you are white its 50% your fault if you are white and male its 100% your fault check your privledge mate
Its the people whom claim to be on the right side of race issues are often the ones causing the divide. The Guardian are the biggest dividers of the bunch
Didn't realise those 100,000 people didnt have families or friends.
Don't forget long covid
Don't forget long covid
This is the point but unfortunately the sensationalist headline writers are only concerned with the tiny minority (c100k) and not the long term damage to the livelihoods, mental health, education and long term prospects if vast majority (c70million) who will feel the brunt of this for decades.
Only for 100,000. Not 70 million.
Send it my way > any pub want my address plz ask
Good news for public health!
On Wednesday the UK vaccinated 469000 people. France vaccinated less than 500.
I think this is a difficult situation but we will be back in the bars long before the rest of Europe.
In the meantime I'm brinking bottled beers and making sure they aren't imported.
I think this is a difficult situation but we will be back in the bars long before the rest of Europe.
In the meantime I'm brinking bottled beers and making sure they aren't imported.
Just a thought. But the shelves in the supermarkets are stacked with beer. It comes from the breweries.
I'm struggling to understand why a brewery would have to pour away beer that can be stored for months.
Stick what you have in cans and stop breweing the stuff if you can't sell it.
I'm struggling to understand why a brewery would have to pour away beer that can be stored for months.
Stick what you have in cans and stop breweing the stuff if you can't sell it.
87 million pints? Put some snap on, I'll get my mates to pop round and we'll work our way through it. It may take a week or two though.
Haha!
Bottle it, (refillable? With a deposit/ return) cask it (with a tap) and sell it online.
If I was in a pub, I'd raise a toast to all those queue jumping London and Rochdale teachers who have gamed the system and got their jabs ahead of the most vulnerable. Well done all of you!
What's happened to the story BBC? It's gone from front page to the England page to oblivion in a flash. Are teachers untouchable then? Removed
What's happened to the story BBC? It's gone from front page to the England page to oblivion in a flash. Are teachers untouchable then? Removed
Whether it's the outlets or returned to the breweries it's still waste. How can they be expected to gear up and close with a product with a short shelf life, with little notice. I don't think takeaway pints is practical for health reasons. As the government closes hospitality there should be proper compensation for stock losses.
Good news for public health!
Slow creep....BAME communities not getting vaccinated.
The Guardian says it's my fault. Removed
The Guardian says it's my fault. Removed
Better the beer is wasted rather than the patrons
Just another step in the UK beomming a Caliphate.
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100% - Has to be a better way then tipping it away! only a complete fool would tip it away, or someone with more money then sense
Cheaper beer to wash down all that crabmeat we can't seem to sell abroad now. Ya-ho!
Except they'd rather chuck it away than sell it at a reasonable price.
Shame.
Except they'd rather chuck it away than sell it at a reasonable price.
Shame.
Like the livelihoods of the millions of people who have seen good businesses, built up by years of hard work, turned to dust by the hysterical overreaction of a shrill minority.
Check the data not the propaganda.
Those at risk of dying are almost all from readily identifiable social groups. Imprisoning the majority rather than the vulnerable was an insane, irrational reaction to the social-media-driven "something must be done" brigade.
Those at risk of dying are almost all from readily identifiable social groups. Imprisoning the majority rather than the vulnerable was an insane, irrational reaction to the social-media-driven "something must be done" brigade.
Correction: Boris Johnson's incompetent handling of the coronavirus has wasted and destroyed these things.
Correction: misleading BBC reporting has given the false impression Boris Johnson's incompetent handling of the coronavirus did it. Remember that story about South Korea's contact tracing being so good they could reopen pubs? It isn't - every time they reopened, cases went up and they had to be shut down again, but their government kept on trying anyway. Imagine the BBC headlines if Boris did that