NZ thrash Pakistan to top Test rankings
06/01/2021 | sport | cricket | 226
New Zealand rise to the top of the world Test rankings after they thrashed Pakistan by an innings and 176 runs to win the series 2-0.
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06/01/2021 08:39:27 76 3
bbc
Huge congratulations to the Black Caps you thoroughly deserved to win. Great to see new blood doing well and Kane Williamson going from strength to strength. You play cricket in the spirit that is intended and you are a credit to New Zealand!
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06/01/2021 23:13:19 3 1
bbc
Yes sir! And, with a population of a few million, both their Rugby and Cricket are exemplary in their approach From the ground up. Also quite good at rowing I believe. Support mechanisms are there for youth development at all levels.
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06/01/2021 08:40:56 20 3
bbc
Awesome brilliant stuff. What a team, seriously good players and worthy #1
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sja
06/01/2021 08:42:37 7 6
bbc
Wow first to comment on this HYS. I'm feeling the pressure. Not sure I can handle it. I'll go for 'Well done Black Caps. You deserve it'. There that should be allowed :-)
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sja
06/01/2021 08:44:14 5 5
bbc
Oh no. I'm not first. Others beat me to it whilst I was prevaricating. Damn
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06/01/2021 08:42:45 150 2
bbc
NZ under kane Williamson are a remarkable outfit and deserve this status for the hard work they seem to put in every time they enter a cricket ground. The most professional, consistent and polite team ever?
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AB
06/01/2021 09:31:00 69 2
bbc
Totally agree....they are sporting and respectful and play with a great team ethic...and play hard...and have in Williamson a fantastic leader who only gets better as a player by being the captain
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Mks
06/01/2021 17:19:11 7 1
bbc
I have seen New Zealand play since the 1973 tour of the British Isles and they have been a superb standard of fair play, good over rates, team spirit, have produced an allrounder in Richard Hadlee, plus a batsman and captain in Kane Williamson, who rank amongst the bests in any Test era and it is hard to think of any player or incident that does anything other than to state my admiration for them.
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06/01/2021 08:43:49 2 16
bbc
Why say "thrashing"? Have some respect.
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06/01/2021 08:48:38 15 1
bbc
Well it wasn’t close was it?
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06/01/2021 08:54:04 4 6
bbc
Poor writing again and yes respect is nice to be shown just like the NZ Team have.

Would have preferred an emphatic Win by NZ as the headline ....

Then leave it up to someone inhere to state a Thrashing.
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06/01/2021 08:54:56 9 1
bbc
Lost by innings mean heavy defeat..nothing wrong saying ‘‘got thrashed’’.
12
06/01/2021 09:01:14 5 1
bbc
Well, it's pretty far-fetched to call it a nailbiter...
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06/01/2021 09:01:22 10 1
bbc
Since it was the 52nd largest win of all time in all 4,804 tests that's classed as a thrashing. And with a full day to spare.
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06/01/2021 09:04:29 6 3
bbc
Pakistan - your boys took one hell of a beating ; )
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06/01/2021 09:07:00 6 1
bbc
Because it was a thrashing and total humiliation.
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sja
06/01/2021 08:42:37 7 6
bbc
Wow first to comment on this HYS. I'm feeling the pressure. Not sure I can handle it. I'll go for 'Well done Black Caps. You deserve it'. There that should be allowed :-)
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sja
06/01/2021 08:44:14 5 5
bbc
Oh no. I'm not first. Others beat me to it whilst I was prevaricating. Damn
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06/01/2021 09:35:19 1 1
bbc
Perhaps you should consult a dictionary as to the meaning of "prevaricate"... Margaret Thatcher once made the same mistake IIRC.
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06/01/2021 08:46:57 5 2
bbc
Well done NZ. Hope Pakistan learns from this- they must.
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06/01/2021 09:12:19 3 2
bbc
They never do.
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06/01/2021 08:43:49 2 16
bbc
Why say "thrashing"? Have some respect.
8
06/01/2021 08:48:38 15 1
bbc
Well it wasn’t close was it?
5
06/01/2021 08:43:49 2 16
bbc
Why say "thrashing"? Have some respect.
9
06/01/2021 08:54:04 4 6
bbc
Poor writing again and yes respect is nice to be shown just like the NZ Team have.

Would have preferred an emphatic Win by NZ as the headline ....

Then leave it up to someone inhere to state a Thrashing.
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06/01/2021 09:09:55 0 3
bbc
You really are a waste of space.
5
06/01/2021 08:43:49 2 16
bbc
Why say "thrashing"? Have some respect.
10
06/01/2021 08:54:56 9 1
bbc
Lost by innings mean heavy defeat..nothing wrong saying ‘‘got thrashed’’.
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06/01/2021 09:00:04 12 24
bbc
Meaningless ranking, as NZ play the bulk of their test matches at home, unlike England, who have a balanced programme of home and away tests
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06/01/2021 09:27:36 0 2
bbc
Artisan shoemakers matey.
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06/01/2021 10:46:13 5 1
bbc
Talk to your mates at the ICC mate .... We'll happily play overseas ... However, as we are not part of the 'big 3', we dont really have any say as don't control the game.
5
06/01/2021 08:43:49 2 16
bbc
Why say "thrashing"? Have some respect.
12
06/01/2021 09:01:14 5 1
bbc
Well, it's pretty far-fetched to call it a nailbiter...
5
06/01/2021 08:43:49 2 16
bbc
Why say "thrashing"? Have some respect.
13
06/01/2021 09:01:22 10 1
bbc
Since it was the 52nd largest win of all time in all 4,804 tests that's classed as a thrashing. And with a full day to spare.
5
06/01/2021 08:43:49 2 16
bbc
Why say "thrashing"? Have some respect.
14
06/01/2021 09:04:29 6 3
bbc
Pakistan - your boys took one hell of a beating ; )
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06/01/2021 09:05:42 2 21
bbc
Congrats NZ and KW a worthy no1

Eng not even in this ball park to use a base ball phrase

Well lead, focussed and mature

Everything bungling England aren't

Root was the greatest batsman in the world before becoming captain which is a job to which he is almost as unsuited and ill-equipped to do (still) as much as Boris

As a half-Tyke it gives me no pleasure to watch the chaos in Eng ranks
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06/01/2021 09:16:58 11 2
bbc
England have lost one test series out of their last six - and that was against this New Zealand team.
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06/01/2021 09:05:50 12 4
bbc
How on earth do a small nation with more sheep than people excel at cricket and rugby ? Respect due.
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06/01/2021 09:15:39 26 9
bbc
It’s because their children are taught to win and be competitive. They are not taught that it’s the taking part that counts or given medals / sweets for just taking part.
NZ do lots of exercise as part of their curriculum.
The UK has a lot of fat and lazy children....
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06/01/2021 09:36:49 3 4
bbc
So if NZ had half a billion sheep they'd still be amazing? Rearing sheep is still a bit deal in NZ agriculture. What you really should be saying is 'how can a country of 5 million...[etc]'. The number of sheep in a country is absolutely irrelevant.
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06/01/2021 12:10:51 1 1
bbc
Decent weather and lots of lamb in the diet.
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06/01/2021 08:43:49 2 16
bbc
Why say "thrashing"? Have some respect.
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06/01/2021 09:07:00 6 1
bbc
Because it was a thrashing and total humiliation.
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06/01/2021 08:54:04 4 6
bbc
Poor writing again and yes respect is nice to be shown just like the NZ Team have.

Would have preferred an emphatic Win by NZ as the headline ....

Then leave it up to someone inhere to state a Thrashing.
18
06/01/2021 09:09:55 0 3
bbc
You really are a waste of space.
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06/01/2021 09:19:13 2 3
bbc
Obviously you do not understand respect then ...

So how would you have put the Headline then for the World to see on an established and recognised Broadcasting channel.

Also I do say that HYS poster may use it but some writer not in an article.
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06/01/2021 11:21:25 6 2
bbc
Agree. This is the issue with the world today mate. You can't say things as they are or you will somehow upset some hyper-sensitive person ... This was a total at utter thrashing ... simple as that. What is wrong saying that. I'll tell you what - A small minority (like a couple of people in this thread) get all upset over words ... This isn't about respect, it is about calling it what it was
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06/01/2021 09:12:08 8 2
bbc
Damage was done by a good score which gives a pressure release for the Bowlers to go out and enjoy too , of which they have especially Jamieson.

Superb Team Effort obviously to get to Number 1 slot and reward for their Captain too in his batting displays.

As we all know there be times when both batsmen and bowlers have off days .

So NZ Enjoy Number 1 slot you deserve.
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06/01/2021 08:46:57 5 2
bbc
Well done NZ. Hope Pakistan learns from this- they must.
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06/01/2021 09:12:19 3 2
bbc
They never do.
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AK
06/01/2021 15:31:49 0 1
bbc
Exactly they never do. Misbah is the biggest problem, along with Shan Masood, and the overated pace trio. Sohail Khan sat on the bench in Eng and NZ will easily outbowl these anyday.
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06/01/2021 09:05:50 12 4
bbc
How on earth do a small nation with more sheep than people excel at cricket and rugby ? Respect due.
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06/01/2021 09:15:39 26 9
bbc
It’s because their children are taught to win and be competitive. They are not taught that it’s the taking part that counts or given medals / sweets for just taking part.
NZ do lots of exercise as part of their curriculum.
The UK has a lot of fat and lazy children....
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AB
06/01/2021 09:36:17 14 6
bbc
Precisely...you all get a trophy children for turning up....well done everyone, you're all winners... !!!
We're developing a country of snowflakes ..who start crying if they can't have the latest iPhone etc
Unfortunately it's all about perceived image in the UK and not earning praise and reward by hard work...
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06/01/2021 09:38:37 8 3
bbc
Err no. I am a kiwi who was English. My kids are kiwis. There is huge investment here in building the base of the pyramid, abs in netball, cricket and rugby, there is a growing recognition not to focus only on winning, because this maintains a big pool. So your comment Is just plain wrong.
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06/01/2021 09:41:40 9 5
bbc
Nice bit of fake news! You'll see that NZ is 22 (worse) in the obesity rankings - compared to UK at 36 (better). So - the exact opposite of what you're stating as 'fact'. You do know that it's very easy to check these things before posting? But, hey: you've already got 5 upvotes from people who clearly took you at your word.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_rate
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06/01/2021 10:01:11 8 3
bbc
As you allude to lifestyle is a major factor ... I moved to the West Midlands from Wellington in 2012 and the one thing that is so accessible to all kiwis are the outdoors and with that an active lifestyle ... Sport just fits in with those ... As a kid growing up all we did is play rugby and cricket any spare moment we had. I have lots of mates with kids in the UK and none of them play sports ...
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06/01/2021 09:05:42 2 21
bbc
Congrats NZ and KW a worthy no1

Eng not even in this ball park to use a base ball phrase

Well lead, focussed and mature

Everything bungling England aren't

Root was the greatest batsman in the world before becoming captain which is a job to which he is almost as unsuited and ill-equipped to do (still) as much as Boris

As a half-Tyke it gives me no pleasure to watch the chaos in Eng ranks
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06/01/2021 09:16:58 11 2
bbc
England have lost one test series out of their last six - and that was against this New Zealand team.
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06/01/2021 09:42:31 0 8
bbc
And how far were Eng from a 4-0 mauling at home against Aus?

Stokes rescues us time and time again - we look lucky against weaker teams and outclassed by better teams

We drop catches (especially who ever keeps) - put batsmen in random positions and pick young players before they are ready only to see them fail and become demoralised then pick hasbeans who've "gone in the head"

A poor 4th
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06/01/2021 09:09:55 0 3
bbc
You really are a waste of space.
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06/01/2021 09:19:13 2 3
bbc
Obviously you do not understand respect then ...

So how would you have put the Headline then for the World to see on an established and recognised Broadcasting channel.

Also I do say that HYS poster may use it but some writer not in an article.
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06/01/2021 09:19:24 28 5
bbc
My favourite non English team beating my least favourite (actually tied for this position of least favourite with Australia). No sledging, no dodgy tactics with pitch and ball. Great work guys.
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06/01/2021 09:19:47 83 4
bbc
Well done Kiwis. In NZ cricket isn't limited to public schools and is the genuine summer sport. Unfortunately, ECB doesn't invest their Sky money into our state schools or grass-roots - it all goes on central contracts, exec pay etc - hence a very narrow pipeline of talent and a diminishing, in England, of what was once our great summer game.
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06/01/2021 09:23:57 17 3
bbc
Spot on but people on here well done of them think Sky has saved the sport and thinks it's the best thing since sliced bread ....

Yes Grassroots at any sport is not being looked after or has limited resources too.

As for the schools unfortunately money and Teachers or other subjects take priority now so easily gets cast aside.
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06/01/2021 10:00:42 8 2
bbc
In the UK the government sold off playing fields, underfunded schools, closed down social clubs, closed public sports facilities, and left many families on the breadline in temporary accommodation. It's a bit hard for kids from less affluent backgrounds to excel in sport when they have no facilities, no support and barely enough food to survive on.
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06/01/2021 10:14:37 3 1
bbc
This isn't quite right. The ECB does provide significant financial support to cricket clubs, and the Chance to Shine project links up a lot of schools (mainly primary) with coaching. But schools do lack playing fields, cricket is less easy for teachers than football, it's scary for some students (hard ball), and if one state school has a go it still lacks local opposition.
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KR
06/01/2021 09:20:47 5 1
bbc
Fair play NZ. They have a very well balanced test side and beat a tough cricketing Pakistani team. NZ thoroughly deserve to be No.1 test team in the world.
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06/01/2021 09:26:21 3 2
bbc
The last Test when they won it in the last few overs would have been a set back and a knock on effect.

So NZ just went on from that win and then demolished an appropriate word the Pakistan Team balance .

Then set to with a Professional performance skirting out Pakistan after setting a substantial score.
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06/01/2021 09:19:47 83 4
bbc
Well done Kiwis. In NZ cricket isn't limited to public schools and is the genuine summer sport. Unfortunately, ECB doesn't invest their Sky money into our state schools or grass-roots - it all goes on central contracts, exec pay etc - hence a very narrow pipeline of talent and a diminishing, in England, of what was once our great summer game.
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06/01/2021 09:23:57 17 3
bbc
Spot on but people on here well done of them think Sky has saved the sport and thinks it's the best thing since sliced bread ....

Yes Grassroots at any sport is not being looked after or has limited resources too.

As for the schools unfortunately money and Teachers or other subjects take priority now so easily gets cast aside.
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06/01/2021 17:05:59 3 1
bbc
Some fair points. Having coached for several years at a junior cricket club my observations are that where schools did not have cricket facilities for youngsters, those keen on sports would come and join. They were always the best members as they really wanted to learn & improve. The private sector children played all week at school and were more difficult to manage. So much untapped talent!!
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06/01/2021 09:25:50 25 1
bbc
NZ have great teams in all formats of the game . Its a shame we rarely see them play a test series here as they are not seen as lucrative by the ECB and they end up playing a 2 test series at the start of the season once every 4 years .
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06/01/2021 10:07:18 17 1
bbc
We'd love nothing more than to play at least 3 tests against England in England ... Always a really good series ...
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KR
06/01/2021 09:20:47 5 1
bbc
Fair play NZ. They have a very well balanced test side and beat a tough cricketing Pakistani team. NZ thoroughly deserve to be No.1 test team in the world.
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06/01/2021 09:26:21 3 2
bbc
The last Test when they won it in the last few overs would have been a set back and a knock on effect.

So NZ just went on from that win and then demolished an appropriate word the Pakistan Team balance .

Then set to with a Professional performance skirting out Pakistan after setting a substantial score.
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06/01/2021 09:27:15 12 3
bbc
We shouldn't really be surprised at this. By one metric, they're actually the most successful Olympic nation, in terms of medals won per head of population.
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06/01/2021 09:27:19 18 1
bbc
It is also indicative of what a strong set up NZ have that players like Wagner, Santner, Neesham, Ferguson, Grandhomme, Munroe aren't in the starting 11 that won today.
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06/01/2021 10:13:03 8 1
bbc
Fergusson, Colin DGH and Wagner are injured to be fair ... Santner is a good T20 and ODI player but not up to scratch for tests ... that is our weakness ... don't have any really good spinners ...
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06/01/2021 09:00:04 12 24
bbc
Meaningless ranking, as NZ play the bulk of their test matches at home, unlike England, who have a balanced programme of home and away tests
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06/01/2021 09:27:36 0 2
bbc
Artisan shoemakers matey.
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Leo
06/01/2021 09:28:29 31 1
bbc
Well played NZ, and kudos to both sides for arranging and (safely) completing a tour in the middle of this pandemic. The only bugbear being that the tour was too short, only 2 Tests, and I hope future tours to NZ (by any side) can be at least 3 Tests.
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06/01/2021 08:42:45 150 2
bbc
NZ under kane Williamson are a remarkable outfit and deserve this status for the hard work they seem to put in every time they enter a cricket ground. The most professional, consistent and polite team ever?
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AB
06/01/2021 09:31:00 69 2
bbc
Totally agree....they are sporting and respectful and play with a great team ethic...and play hard...and have in Williamson a fantastic leader who only gets better as a player by being the captain
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06/01/2021 12:10:26 15 1
bbc
Williamson was a child cricketing prodigy. He was managed very, very carefully into the first team and was fortunate enough to come in under the captaincy of Baz McCullum with other old hands like Ross Taylor and many of the guys who are old hands now. NZC knew not to burden Kane too early with expectation and he has done nothing but grow and shine.
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06/01/2021 09:32:47 10 3
bbc
A great cricket mad country like Pakistan should hold their heads in shame with the way they play the game. Misbah as coach is the greatest joke in world cricket and as long as we have Waqar Yunis as bowling coach the team can and will never move forward. Pity that a team with such talent and craze for the game of cricket is run by such incompetent people
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AK
06/01/2021 15:28:38 1 1
bbc
Spot on!! Misbah is a massive problem along with Waqar. Atleast he has been sacked as a selector, just need sacking as a coach. He has wasted Sohail Khan on the bench for last 4 yrs. Although now 35yrs old he will easily outbowl the 17yr old and the 20yr old. Who are overhyped and nowhere near Test match standards.
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06/01/2021 09:33:55 46 2
bbc
Congratulations NZ, they play the game as it should be played, win or lose.
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sja
06/01/2021 08:44:14 5 5
bbc
Oh no. I'm not first. Others beat me to it whilst I was prevaricating. Damn
37
06/01/2021 09:35:19 1 1
bbc
Perhaps you should consult a dictionary as to the meaning of "prevaricate"... Margaret Thatcher once made the same mistake IIRC.
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06/01/2021 09:15:39 26 9
bbc
It’s because their children are taught to win and be competitive. They are not taught that it’s the taking part that counts or given medals / sweets for just taking part.
NZ do lots of exercise as part of their curriculum.
The UK has a lot of fat and lazy children....
38
AB
06/01/2021 09:36:17 14 6
bbc
Precisely...you all get a trophy children for turning up....well done everyone, you're all winners... !!!
We're developing a country of snowflakes ..who start crying if they can't have the latest iPhone etc
Unfortunately it's all about perceived image in the UK and not earning praise and reward by hard work...
49
06/01/2021 09:58:10 8 2
bbc
"Precisely...you all get a trophy children for turning up....well done everyone, you're all winners... !!!"

It never ceases to amaze me how many people actually believe this. Do they think that we all have hoards of trophies hidden away from our kids' weekly PE lessons?
16
06/01/2021 09:05:50 12 4
bbc
How on earth do a small nation with more sheep than people excel at cricket and rugby ? Respect due.
39
06/01/2021 09:36:49 3 4
bbc
So if NZ had half a billion sheep they'd still be amazing? Rearing sheep is still a bit deal in NZ agriculture. What you really should be saying is 'how can a country of 5 million...[etc]'. The number of sheep in a country is absolutely irrelevant.
21
06/01/2021 09:15:39 26 9
bbc
It’s because their children are taught to win and be competitive. They are not taught that it’s the taking part that counts or given medals / sweets for just taking part.
NZ do lots of exercise as part of their curriculum.
The UK has a lot of fat and lazy children....
40
06/01/2021 09:38:37 8 3
bbc
Err no. I am a kiwi who was English. My kids are kiwis. There is huge investment here in building the base of the pyramid, abs in netball, cricket and rugby, there is a growing recognition not to focus only on winning, because this maintains a big pool. So your comment Is just plain wrong.
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06/01/2021 09:53:06 2 5
bbc
Correct and like wordtowise posted on the Schools and grassroots which you see my reply.

Yes we have become a snowflake nation in one respect but there are kids out there who want to do sport and be successful. It's the logistics and facilities for these kids that needs to be made available across the whole spectrum or pyramid as some say.

Laziness and wanting it on a plate is a key factor too.
21
06/01/2021 09:15:39 26 9
bbc
It’s because their children are taught to win and be competitive. They are not taught that it’s the taking part that counts or given medals / sweets for just taking part.
NZ do lots of exercise as part of their curriculum.
The UK has a lot of fat and lazy children....
41
06/01/2021 09:41:40 9 5
bbc
Nice bit of fake news! You'll see that NZ is 22 (worse) in the obesity rankings - compared to UK at 36 (better). So - the exact opposite of what you're stating as 'fact'. You do know that it's very easy to check these things before posting? But, hey: you've already got 5 upvotes from people who clearly took you at your word.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_rate
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06/01/2021 10:00:28 6 1
bbc
Obesity rates are an interesting one, a lot of Pacific nations will feature highly and to be expected given 100 years ago we were eating tropical fruit and seafood, our bodies cannot fully process fatty-processed western food. Funnily enough, you throw a big boy a rugby ball and he goes from big boy to Carlos Spencer in a blink, don't be fooled, most can step, pass and move with the best of them.
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06/01/2021 10:11:41 6 1
bbc
I'm a Kiwi, 5 foot 9 and 93 KGs ... Judging by that I am obese ... However, I am just solid ... I am not fat, don't have a gut and am active ... Many Kiwis are very solid people and we do have a lot of pacific islanders who are even more solid ... You can't read into those rankings ...
22
06/01/2021 09:16:58 11 2
bbc
England have lost one test series out of their last six - and that was against this New Zealand team.
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06/01/2021 09:42:31 0 8
bbc
And how far were Eng from a 4-0 mauling at home against Aus?

Stokes rescues us time and time again - we look lucky against weaker teams and outclassed by better teams

We drop catches (especially who ever keeps) - put batsmen in random positions and pick young players before they are ready only to see them fail and become demoralised then pick hasbeans who've "gone in the head"

A poor 4th
43
06/01/2021 09:43:40 47 2
bbc
New Zealand treat the game itself with respect, and, as a consequence, they earn respect. Well done to the Kiwis for this achievement; I hope other countries learn from the standards of behaviour and teamwork NZ have- but, sadly, doubt they will!
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06/01/2021 09:50:27 7 2
bbc
This is a great NZ team that deserves to be no 1 and should have top billing with 4-5 game series all round the world with the "big" teams. Pakistan, as always, underperforming the obvious talent in their squad.
45
06/01/2021 09:51:50 29 2
bbc
Well deserved, an excellent, well balanced team, and all the better because they play the game in the right spirit and with integrity.

Congratulations NZ
40
06/01/2021 09:38:37 8 3
bbc
Err no. I am a kiwi who was English. My kids are kiwis. There is huge investment here in building the base of the pyramid, abs in netball, cricket and rugby, there is a growing recognition not to focus only on winning, because this maintains a big pool. So your comment Is just plain wrong.
46
06/01/2021 09:53:06 2 5
bbc
Correct and like wordtowise posted on the Schools and grassroots which you see my reply.

Yes we have become a snowflake nation in one respect but there are kids out there who want to do sport and be successful. It's the logistics and facilities for these kids that needs to be made available across the whole spectrum or pyramid as some say.

Laziness and wanting it on a plate is a key factor too.
47
06/01/2021 09:56:23 24 1
bbc
Over the years, the NZ selectors have done well at identifying test prospects and then sticking by them, even when the going gets tough.

Also helps that your skipper can't stop scoring.
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06/01/2021 11:59:59 3 2
bbc
Not altogether. Top quality players like Southee, Boult, Taylor and , er ... er ... ahem - have been supported, but there's a lot of turnover amongst the "bits & pieces" players, and few openers have retained their positions for long. Plus, this lad Jamieson seems to have come almost from nowhere.
48
06/01/2021 09:57:04 63 2
bbc
Congratulations to the Blackcaps. They not only play well whether batting, bowling or fielding, but they play the game in the right spirit. Fully deserve to be No 1 in the World.
85
06/01/2021 11:08:07 42 1
bbc
With you 100%. NZ have always played cricket with the right spirit. Williamson's dignified behaviour after the World Cup final was an example to all sportsmen and women. Absolutely delighted for them.
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AB
06/01/2021 09:36:17 14 6
bbc
Precisely...you all get a trophy children for turning up....well done everyone, you're all winners... !!!
We're developing a country of snowflakes ..who start crying if they can't have the latest iPhone etc
Unfortunately it's all about perceived image in the UK and not earning praise and reward by hard work...
49
06/01/2021 09:58:10 8 2
bbc
"Precisely...you all get a trophy children for turning up....well done everyone, you're all winners... !!!"

It never ceases to amaze me how many people actually believe this. Do they think that we all have hoards of trophies hidden away from our kids' weekly PE lessons?
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cjb
06/01/2021 09:58:15 33 3
bbc
Just such a shame that the esteemed ECB do not think likewise about NZ and offer a full 5 test series.

This won’t happen as it’s no money spinner like the Aussies / Indians

Talk is cheap, it’s actions required.
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06/01/2021 11:26:59 14 1
bbc
Watched a bit of the match last night and the NZ commentators were saying that this team deserved more test cricket and longer series. They have Aus next so if they win that series who can deny them more?
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06/01/2021 12:01:40 4 1
bbc
Been saying for a while that the ICC have the power to ensure a proper cycle of test cricket to ensure that every team plays every other home and away over a period of, say, five years. And to stipulate a minimum of three tests in each series.

This lends more credence to the notion of a number 1 ranked team but still leaves plenty of time for limited overs series, World Cups and World T20s.
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06/01/2021 09:41:40 9 5
bbc
Nice bit of fake news! You'll see that NZ is 22 (worse) in the obesity rankings - compared to UK at 36 (better). So - the exact opposite of what you're stating as 'fact'. You do know that it's very easy to check these things before posting? But, hey: you've already got 5 upvotes from people who clearly took you at your word.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_rate
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06/01/2021 10:00:28 6 1
bbc
Obesity rates are an interesting one, a lot of Pacific nations will feature highly and to be expected given 100 years ago we were eating tropical fruit and seafood, our bodies cannot fully process fatty-processed western food. Funnily enough, you throw a big boy a rugby ball and he goes from big boy to Carlos Spencer in a blink, don't be fooled, most can step, pass and move with the best of them.
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06/01/2021 23:55:36 0 1
bbc
Ha ...Lets see someone try to debunk your comments -I won't be ..!!
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06/01/2021 09:19:47 83 4
bbc
Well done Kiwis. In NZ cricket isn't limited to public schools and is the genuine summer sport. Unfortunately, ECB doesn't invest their Sky money into our state schools or grass-roots - it all goes on central contracts, exec pay etc - hence a very narrow pipeline of talent and a diminishing, in England, of what was once our great summer game.
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06/01/2021 10:00:42 8 2
bbc
In the UK the government sold off playing fields, underfunded schools, closed down social clubs, closed public sports facilities, and left many families on the breadline in temporary accommodation. It's a bit hard for kids from less affluent backgrounds to excel in sport when they have no facilities, no support and barely enough food to survive on.
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06/01/2021 10:40:33 1 1
bbc
Prime example of your comment ...

My old school got redeveloped as an Academy and new build happened. I knew the Head/Principal who is a keen triathlon participant, so when I asked about the swimming pool still being apart of the set up, she said No , I can have an extra 3/4 Maths teachers and why do we need a pool.

So how can sport develope if the facilities are no longer available to learn.
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06/01/2021 09:15:39 26 9
bbc
It’s because their children are taught to win and be competitive. They are not taught that it’s the taking part that counts or given medals / sweets for just taking part.
NZ do lots of exercise as part of their curriculum.
The UK has a lot of fat and lazy children....
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06/01/2021 10:01:11 8 3
bbc
As you allude to lifestyle is a major factor ... I moved to the West Midlands from Wellington in 2012 and the one thing that is so accessible to all kiwis are the outdoors and with that an active lifestyle ... Sport just fits in with those ... As a kid growing up all we did is play rugby and cricket any spare moment we had. I have lots of mates with kids in the UK and none of them play sports ...
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06/01/2021 10:05:03 114 4
bbc
As a Kiwi living here in the UK this helps a lot after the world cup ... lol ... Geez, that was hard to deal with but to get to the top spot in tests is amazing for us ... Such a small player pool compared to other nations, makes me very proud. Anyone know when NZ and Eng are due to play again? Always a fantastic & entertaining series , played in the right spirits by two very good teams.
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06/01/2021 10:12:02 5 245
bbc
Still whining after the World Cup. That was 18 months ago. Grow up. It’s just a game.
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06/01/2021 10:30:16 12 1
bbc
Unfortunately the next Test Series between the countries is not until summer 2022 - in England - if the current schedule is adhered to (big 'IF' given the current environment). Shame, as you say, it would be great to see the current crop of swing bowlers on both teams taking on the oppositions highly ranked batsmen in English conditions.
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06/01/2021 12:33:23 9 1
bbc
Totally support your comment .. I’m English and watched the World Cup liv e .. brilliant match and I felt for NZ they showed what remarkable and sporting team they are ...! Well deserved number 1 spot ...
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06/01/2021 16:45:51 3 1
bbc
A very well deserved accolade. Very few weaknesses, strong batting line up and all bowlers have something different to offer. Williamson receives the credit he deserves but Tom Latham is one of the best openers in International cricket.
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06/01/2021 16:58:01 1 2
bbc
Not as bad as the appalling and psychotic Trump of course, but as a Brit living in New Zealand; kiwis whining, baselessly finger-pointing and accusations about ANY historical, OR current, rugby league, yawnion, or cricket result - irrespective of the legality and justice of the result - is nothing new.
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06/01/2021 10:05:07 10 11
bbc
Neil Wagner, another product of Afrikaans High School Pretoria, as Faf and AB. How did England allow him to slip through their recruitment policies??!
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06/01/2021 11:56:43 0 1
bbc
'Specially as, like Faf, Wagner did a stint in the CC not long ago.
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06/01/2021 12:18:31 0 1
bbc
He's not that good - and England aren't short of bang it in bowlers
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06/01/2021 10:06:26 17 2
bbc
Congrats NZ well deserved and who is this Jamieson fella .. his stats are amazing with bat and ball from his 6 tests.
I like Kane, just goes about his business
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06/01/2021 09:25:50 25 1
bbc
NZ have great teams in all formats of the game . Its a shame we rarely see them play a test series here as they are not seen as lucrative by the ECB and they end up playing a 2 test series at the start of the season once every 4 years .
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06/01/2021 10:07:18 17 1
bbc
We'd love nothing more than to play at least 3 tests against England in England ... Always a really good series ...
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06/01/2021 09:41:40 9 5
bbc
Nice bit of fake news! You'll see that NZ is 22 (worse) in the obesity rankings - compared to UK at 36 (better). So - the exact opposite of what you're stating as 'fact'. You do know that it's very easy to check these things before posting? But, hey: you've already got 5 upvotes from people who clearly took you at your word.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_rate
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06/01/2021 10:11:41 6 1
bbc
I'm a Kiwi, 5 foot 9 and 93 KGs ... Judging by that I am obese ... However, I am just solid ... I am not fat, don't have a gut and am active ... Many Kiwis are very solid people and we do have a lot of pacific islanders who are even more solid ... You can't read into those rankings ...
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06/01/2021 10:48:59 3 1
bbc
Agreed
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06/01/2021 11:42:45 2 1
bbc
If the Body Mass Index had any validity, most top front row rugby forwards would need to be replaced every ten or fifteen minutes (due to death). These are the players who do most of the work, despite what the three-quarters may say. Lots of the skinny non-sportsmen with a low BMI would never catch any of them in a straight race. BMI does not seem to differentiate between fat and muscle bulk.
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06/01/2021 12:52:00 2 1
bbc
Ah - my favourite! The work of 1000s of hours by scientists to rigorous methodology vs the anecdotal evidence by one 93kg, 5'9" bloke. In this day and age I know who's going to win this argument. You are.....
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06/01/2021 10:05:03 114 4
bbc
As a Kiwi living here in the UK this helps a lot after the world cup ... lol ... Geez, that was hard to deal with but to get to the top spot in tests is amazing for us ... Such a small player pool compared to other nations, makes me very proud. Anyone know when NZ and Eng are due to play again? Always a fantastic & entertaining series , played in the right spirits by two very good teams.
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06/01/2021 10:12:02 5 245
bbc
Still whining after the World Cup. That was 18 months ago. Grow up. It’s just a game.
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06/01/2021 10:16:41 95 2
bbc
Are you serious mate? Wow ... how am I whining? I am merely saying after coming so close to winning our first WC it is nice to win something and top the world in tests ... I think you need to grow up and get a rip pal. And they way we dealt with the WC is a million times better how you guys would have ....
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06/01/2021 10:32:12 38 1
bbc
There's always one troll. Anyway, congrats David on top spot for NZ.
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06/01/2021 11:13:10 8 1
bbc
Grow up?

Dear Kettle,

love

Pot
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06/01/2021 12:26:43 4 1
bbc
Sad comment .. if you’re English .. how about the whinging from 1966 !
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06/01/2021 19:07:01 1 1
bbc
Whining, really? Wow, that's an interesting take. You seem angry - perhaps mummy should limit your screen time and put you to bed.
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06/01/2021 19:48:09 0 1
bbc
You really are a troll
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06/01/2021 22:40:07 1 1
bbc
he lives in England, only natural he should develop a bit of a whine.
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07/01/2021 15:30:03 0 0
bbc
A bit sour.
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06/01/2021 09:27:19 18 1
bbc
It is also indicative of what a strong set up NZ have that players like Wagner, Santner, Neesham, Ferguson, Grandhomme, Munroe aren't in the starting 11 that won today.
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06/01/2021 10:13:03 8 1
bbc
Fergusson, Colin DGH and Wagner are injured to be fair ... Santner is a good T20 and ODI player but not up to scratch for tests ... that is our weakness ... don't have any really good spinners ...
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06/01/2021 13:52:46 2 1
bbc
yep spot on - if we had an attacking mystery spinner we'd be a handful anywhere in the world.. Great result..
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06/01/2021 21:25:36 0 1
bbc
Firstly, congrats to NZ on becoming top ranked Test team. An excellent side & a shame Daniel Vettori was a generation earlier.
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06/01/2021 09:19:47 83 4
bbc
Well done Kiwis. In NZ cricket isn't limited to public schools and is the genuine summer sport. Unfortunately, ECB doesn't invest their Sky money into our state schools or grass-roots - it all goes on central contracts, exec pay etc - hence a very narrow pipeline of talent and a diminishing, in England, of what was once our great summer game.
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06/01/2021 10:14:37 3 1
bbc
This isn't quite right. The ECB does provide significant financial support to cricket clubs, and the Chance to Shine project links up a lot of schools (mainly primary) with coaching. But schools do lack playing fields, cricket is less easy for teachers than football, it's scary for some students (hard ball), and if one state school has a go it still lacks local opposition.
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06/01/2021 10:33:26 2 1
bbc
You say it (mainly primary) that is where the problem lies after they leave Cricket goes AWOL.

LD Rob frequent poster in HYS Cricket is a primary school teacher and pushes cricket in his school and freely admits after that then its either up to them to carry on or the higher level

As you say logistics are not there and not just playing fields being sold off its the Schools not wanting to provide
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06/01/2021 10:36:04 3 1
bbc
Also up to the Club's to tap into this and go out and get them playing.

Funding in clubs only selects few and then they fund their 1st X1 aspirations or the Chairman's wishes.

Facilities as said need being mad available by the local clubs and sending coaches into the schools or having a player teaching at the school too.

As we know though Cricket is some what not looked on as a money earned.
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06/01/2021 10:12:02 5 245
bbc
Still whining after the World Cup. That was 18 months ago. Grow up. It’s just a game.
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06/01/2021 10:16:41 95 2
bbc
Are you serious mate? Wow ... how am I whining? I am merely saying after coming so close to winning our first WC it is nice to win something and top the world in tests ... I think you need to grow up and get a rip pal. And they way we dealt with the WC is a million times better how you guys would have ....
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06/01/2021 10:27:26 75 1
bbc
You’re not whining, as you are probably aware, we suffer from the odd fool here in the UK, it’s unfortunate but they don’t let us lock them up anymore
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06/01/2021 10:37:12 43 1
bbc
I'd just ignore him David - its not you who needs to grow up! You didn't come across as being whiny at all so i'm not sure what he's talking about.
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06/01/2021 10:22:25 18 3
bbc
Wow - #1 in the world. Fantastic achievement.

I still have this idea of them being a team made up of handy, bits and pieces, one-day all rounders built around Williamson. A really dangerous team in the short formats but ultimately lacking the top quality with both bat and ball to be a top test team.

Err... guess i need to rethink that misconception now!
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06/01/2021 10:28:39 14 3
bbc
We always were like that up to around 2005 or so ... Usually had a couple of stars and everyone else fit in around them ... And often those couple of stars were pretty full of themselves. Got too many good guys to choose from now for the first time ever ... Brendan McCullum and the former coach Hesson can take a lot of credit for putting things in place for the success we are seeing now ...
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06/01/2021 23:26:15 0 1
bbc
Well to be fair we did play 3 wicketkeepers in the most recent tests - Tom Latham and Tom Blundell as well as BJ Watling. But you're right, we are a genuinely well-balanced team now, superbly-led by a guy who's not only quite handy with the bat, but also very astute tactically, a student of the game and a man with great respect for the traditions, history and spirit.
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06/01/2021 10:24:29 16 3
bbc
Well deserved. Black Caps have always just quietly and methodically gone about their business, making the sum of the parts better than the individual parts. I’ve always rated Neil Wagner. Good to see him right up near the top of the rankings. Kane! Brilliant!!!!
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06/01/2021 10:16:41 95 2
bbc
Are you serious mate? Wow ... how am I whining? I am merely saying after coming so close to winning our first WC it is nice to win something and top the world in tests ... I think you need to grow up and get a rip pal. And they way we dealt with the WC is a million times better how you guys would have ....
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06/01/2021 10:27:26 75 1
bbc
You’re not whining, as you are probably aware, we suffer from the odd fool here in the UK, it’s unfortunate but they don’t let us lock them up anymore
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06/01/2021 10:32:01 41 1
bbc
Indeed mate, I have found that - We do have them in NZ too but they are mostly one eyed rugby fans ..... Whilst that word cup was heartbreaking for us we certainly don't begrudge England for winning it ... Rules are the rules, sometimes work in your favor / sometimes don't. England were due anyway ... think you guys had played in 3 finals before that so was great for you chaps.
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06/01/2021 10:49:44 8 4
bbc
Sorry to add fuel to the fire, but they won't lock them up until their terms in parliament are over. Why are there so many like thescribe, always on the back foot and craving an opportunity to be (pseudo-)offended so that they can wave their faux rage banners?
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06/01/2021 11:28:45 4 1
bbc
Or send them to Australia! Just kidding!?!
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06/01/2021 10:22:25 18 3
bbc
Wow - #1 in the world. Fantastic achievement.

I still have this idea of them being a team made up of handy, bits and pieces, one-day all rounders built around Williamson. A really dangerous team in the short formats but ultimately lacking the top quality with both bat and ball to be a top test team.

Err... guess i need to rethink that misconception now!
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06/01/2021 10:28:39 14 3
bbc
We always were like that up to around 2005 or so ... Usually had a couple of stars and everyone else fit in around them ... And often those couple of stars were pretty full of themselves. Got too many good guys to choose from now for the first time ever ... Brendan McCullum and the former coach Hesson can take a lot of credit for putting things in place for the success we are seeing now ...
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06/01/2021 10:05:03 114 4
bbc
As a Kiwi living here in the UK this helps a lot after the world cup ... lol ... Geez, that was hard to deal with but to get to the top spot in tests is amazing for us ... Such a small player pool compared to other nations, makes me very proud. Anyone know when NZ and Eng are due to play again? Always a fantastic & entertaining series , played in the right spirits by two very good teams.
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06/01/2021 10:30:16 12 1
bbc
Unfortunately the next Test Series between the countries is not until summer 2022 - in England - if the current schedule is adhered to (big 'IF' given the current environment). Shame, as you say, it would be great to see the current crop of swing bowlers on both teams taking on the oppositions highly ranked batsmen in English conditions.
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06/01/2021 10:36:42 20 1
bbc
Geez, that's a shame ... Great it is in England though (if it goes ahead). Definitely, I want to see how our current crop of bowlers go in comparison to Anderson and Broad ... Those two have set the bench mark for tests in recent years ... How Anderson is still going is brilliant, would love him as a consultant for NZ one day on how to keep fast bowlers fit. Lost many to injury over the years
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06/01/2021 10:27:26 75 1
bbc
You’re not whining, as you are probably aware, we suffer from the odd fool here in the UK, it’s unfortunate but they don’t let us lock them up anymore
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06/01/2021 10:32:01 41 1
bbc
Indeed mate, I have found that - We do have them in NZ too but they are mostly one eyed rugby fans ..... Whilst that word cup was heartbreaking for us we certainly don't begrudge England for winning it ... Rules are the rules, sometimes work in your favor / sometimes don't. England were due anyway ... think you guys had played in 3 finals before that so was great for you chaps.
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06/01/2021 10:39:40 8 1
bbc
At least NZ can say that they were part of the most exciting and weirdest game any sport has ever produced, those set of circumstances will never happen again.
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06/01/2021 10:12:02 5 245
bbc
Still whining after the World Cup. That was 18 months ago. Grow up. It’s just a game.
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06/01/2021 10:32:12 38 1
bbc
There's always one troll. Anyway, congrats David on top spot for NZ.
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06/01/2021 10:38:05 16 1
bbc
Thanks mate, grew up watching NZ getting pummeled in the 90s lol so makes a nice change.
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06/01/2021 10:14:37 3 1
bbc
This isn't quite right. The ECB does provide significant financial support to cricket clubs, and the Chance to Shine project links up a lot of schools (mainly primary) with coaching. But schools do lack playing fields, cricket is less easy for teachers than football, it's scary for some students (hard ball), and if one state school has a go it still lacks local opposition.
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06/01/2021 10:33:26 2 1
bbc
You say it (mainly primary) that is where the problem lies after they leave Cricket goes AWOL.

LD Rob frequent poster in HYS Cricket is a primary school teacher and pushes cricket in his school and freely admits after that then its either up to them to carry on or the higher level

As you say logistics are not there and not just playing fields being sold off its the Schools not wanting to provide
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06/01/2021 10:14:37 3 1
bbc
This isn't quite right. The ECB does provide significant financial support to cricket clubs, and the Chance to Shine project links up a lot of schools (mainly primary) with coaching. But schools do lack playing fields, cricket is less easy for teachers than football, it's scary for some students (hard ball), and if one state school has a go it still lacks local opposition.
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06/01/2021 10:36:04 3 1
bbc
Also up to the Club's to tap into this and go out and get them playing.

Funding in clubs only selects few and then they fund their 1st X1 aspirations or the Chairman's wishes.

Facilities as said need being mad available by the local clubs and sending coaches into the schools or having a player teaching at the school too.

As we know though Cricket is some what not looked on as a money earned.
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06/01/2021 10:30:16 12 1
bbc
Unfortunately the next Test Series between the countries is not until summer 2022 - in England - if the current schedule is adhered to (big 'IF' given the current environment). Shame, as you say, it would be great to see the current crop of swing bowlers on both teams taking on the oppositions highly ranked batsmen in English conditions.
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06/01/2021 10:36:42 20 1
bbc
Geez, that's a shame ... Great it is in England though (if it goes ahead). Definitely, I want to see how our current crop of bowlers go in comparison to Anderson and Broad ... Those two have set the bench mark for tests in recent years ... How Anderson is still going is brilliant, would love him as a consultant for NZ one day on how to keep fast bowlers fit. Lost many to injury over the years
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06/01/2021 10:51:18 5 1
bbc
The trick for England is how to replace those two when they finally hang up their boots. Wood, Woakes, Stokes all edging on a bit in years now. Bringing through a new crop whilst nurturing Archer's undoubted talent to get the best out of him for an extended period in red ball cricket is going to be an intriguing watch. As you say, New Zealand face a similar challenge to prolong pace bowler careers
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06/01/2021 10:16:41 95 2
bbc
Are you serious mate? Wow ... how am I whining? I am merely saying after coming so close to winning our first WC it is nice to win something and top the world in tests ... I think you need to grow up and get a rip pal. And they way we dealt with the WC is a million times better how you guys would have ....
73
06/01/2021 10:37:12 43 1
bbc
I'd just ignore him David - its not you who needs to grow up! You didn't come across as being whiny at all so i'm not sure what he's talking about.
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06/01/2021 10:32:12 38 1
bbc
There's always one troll. Anyway, congrats David on top spot for NZ.
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06/01/2021 10:38:05 16 1
bbc
Thanks mate, grew up watching NZ getting pummeled in the 90s lol so makes a nice change.
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06/01/2021 10:32:01 41 1
bbc
Indeed mate, I have found that - We do have them in NZ too but they are mostly one eyed rugby fans ..... Whilst that word cup was heartbreaking for us we certainly don't begrudge England for winning it ... Rules are the rules, sometimes work in your favor / sometimes don't. England were due anyway ... think you guys had played in 3 finals before that so was great for you chaps.
75
06/01/2021 10:39:40 8 1
bbc
At least NZ can say that they were part of the most exciting and weirdest game any sport has ever produced, those set of circumstances will never happen again.
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06/01/2021 10:43:04 9 2
bbc
That is true ... We were a bit lucky to get to the final but got there nonetheless ... Eng is my 2nd fav team so it is good you guys won and personally for me not India or Aussie ...
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06/01/2021 10:00:42 8 2
bbc
In the UK the government sold off playing fields, underfunded schools, closed down social clubs, closed public sports facilities, and left many families on the breadline in temporary accommodation. It's a bit hard for kids from less affluent backgrounds to excel in sport when they have no facilities, no support and barely enough food to survive on.
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06/01/2021 10:40:33 1 1
bbc
Prime example of your comment ...

My old school got redeveloped as an Academy and new build happened. I knew the Head/Principal who is a keen triathlon participant, so when I asked about the swimming pool still being apart of the set up, she said No , I can have an extra 3/4 Maths teachers and why do we need a pool.

So how can sport develope if the facilities are no longer available to learn.
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GWL
06/01/2021 17:13:41 1 1
bbc
Compared to other school sports cricket is very expensive to set up .properly. If you look at the cost of bats, pads, gloves etc and the preparation of a true playing surface and the relatively short summer term many schools will look to cheaper options. It is also a game in which very few are actively involved in at anyone time. Cricket clubs do have to develop their own players using ECB grants.
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06/01/2021 10:39:40 8 1
bbc
At least NZ can say that they were part of the most exciting and weirdest game any sport has ever produced, those set of circumstances will never happen again.
77
06/01/2021 10:43:04 9 2
bbc
That is true ... We were a bit lucky to get to the final but got there nonetheless ... Eng is my 2nd fav team so it is good you guys won and personally for me not India or Aussie ...
11
06/01/2021 09:00:04 12 24
bbc
Meaningless ranking, as NZ play the bulk of their test matches at home, unlike England, who have a balanced programme of home and away tests
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06/01/2021 10:46:13 5 1
bbc
Talk to your mates at the ICC mate .... We'll happily play overseas ... However, as we are not part of the 'big 3', we dont really have any say as don't control the game.
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06/01/2021 10:11:41 6 1
bbc
I'm a Kiwi, 5 foot 9 and 93 KGs ... Judging by that I am obese ... However, I am just solid ... I am not fat, don't have a gut and am active ... Many Kiwis are very solid people and we do have a lot of pacific islanders who are even more solid ... You can't read into those rankings ...
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06/01/2021 10:48:59 3 1
bbc
Agreed
65
06/01/2021 10:27:26 75 1
bbc
You’re not whining, as you are probably aware, we suffer from the odd fool here in the UK, it’s unfortunate but they don’t let us lock them up anymore
80
06/01/2021 10:49:44 8 4
bbc
Sorry to add fuel to the fire, but they won't lock them up until their terms in parliament are over. Why are there so many like thescribe, always on the back foot and craving an opportunity to be (pseudo-)offended so that they can wave their faux rage banners?
81
06/01/2021 10:49:58 6 1
bbc
Good to see NZ taking test cricket seriously again! Used to be a one day team, now class in all areas! Others take note!
72
06/01/2021 10:36:42 20 1
bbc
Geez, that's a shame ... Great it is in England though (if it goes ahead). Definitely, I want to see how our current crop of bowlers go in comparison to Anderson and Broad ... Those two have set the bench mark for tests in recent years ... How Anderson is still going is brilliant, would love him as a consultant for NZ one day on how to keep fast bowlers fit. Lost many to injury over the years
82
06/01/2021 10:51:18 5 1
bbc
The trick for England is how to replace those two when they finally hang up their boots. Wood, Woakes, Stokes all edging on a bit in years now. Bringing through a new crop whilst nurturing Archer's undoubted talent to get the best out of him for an extended period in red ball cricket is going to be an intriguing watch. As you say, New Zealand face a similar challenge to prolong pace bowler careers
86
06/01/2021 11:11:00 6 1
bbc
Absolutely ... Forgot about Archer, that guy is scary ... I might be wrong here but what I could see as a kid watching England was you guys held on to the old guard for too long and didn't give too many young guys a chance ... I'm talking the 90s era here ... Think that got you in the 2015 WC too ... After that you made a few changes in key personnel - won you the next WC that ...
83
06/01/2021 10:52:23 5 1
bbc
Well played NZ. Absolutely dominant at home recently. Not sure about how well they would do on spinning sub continent conditions and can’t remember if they have played in such conditions recently.
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tc
06/01/2021 12:33:31 0 1
bbc
they have and they got destroyed...same as most countries, England failed to beat Australia at home...
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06/01/2021 10:56:07 16 1
bbc
NZ are a seriously good and well disciplined outfit. Under Williamson they have a fantastic leader and talisman. No hype or noise they just get on with the game with guile, cunning and professionalism.
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06/01/2021 09:57:04 63 2
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Congratulations to the Blackcaps. They not only play well whether batting, bowling or fielding, but they play the game in the right spirit. Fully deserve to be No 1 in the World.
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06/01/2021 11:08:07 42 1
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With you 100%. NZ have always played cricket with the right spirit. Williamson's dignified behaviour after the World Cup final was an example to all sportsmen and women. Absolutely delighted for them.
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06/01/2021 10:51:18 5 1
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The trick for England is how to replace those two when they finally hang up their boots. Wood, Woakes, Stokes all edging on a bit in years now. Bringing through a new crop whilst nurturing Archer's undoubted talent to get the best out of him for an extended period in red ball cricket is going to be an intriguing watch. As you say, New Zealand face a similar challenge to prolong pace bowler careers
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06/01/2021 11:11:00 6 1
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Absolutely ... Forgot about Archer, that guy is scary ... I might be wrong here but what I could see as a kid watching England was you guys held on to the old guard for too long and didn't give too many young guys a chance ... I'm talking the 90s era here ... Think that got you in the 2015 WC too ... After that you made a few changes in key personnel - won you the next WC that ...
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06/01/2021 13:46:17 3 1
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The problem you always have is when the old guard are still better than the young guys. Boult & Southee will be very hard to replace, as will Broad & Anderson - and I can't see where their genuine replacements will come from. But you never know when some kid is about to start their first season.

As a Man of Kent, why does Matt Henry not play much? He takes wickets for fun for Kent.
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06/01/2021 10:12:02 5 245
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Still whining after the World Cup. That was 18 months ago. Grow up. It’s just a game.
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06/01/2021 11:13:10 8 1
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Grow up?

Dear Kettle,

love

Pot
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06/01/2021 11:13:42 17 2
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Congrats from the U.K, well me at least. Good to see a side full of decent human beings who play way above the spirit that they need to but still have a winning mindset. When India were number one, you got the feeling that too many home Tests were helping them along. When they came to England and New Zealand, we saw them in a different light. Pity your nearest neighbours don't play in the same way
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06/01/2021 11:55:25 0 4
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Pity their rugby snoozion team doesn't, either!
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06/01/2021 09:09:55 0 3
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You really are a waste of space.
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06/01/2021 11:21:25 6 2
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Agree. This is the issue with the world today mate. You can't say things as they are or you will somehow upset some hyper-sensitive person ... This was a total at utter thrashing ... simple as that. What is wrong saying that. I'll tell you what - A small minority (like a couple of people in this thread) get all upset over words ... This isn't about respect, it is about calling it what it was
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06/01/2021 13:06:18 0 3
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My comment is about lazy journalism and not sensitive ... Just pour respect being shown by the so called Sports writers.

Yes in layman's terms it was a thrashing, blitzing, good seeing too and many more. That's what HYS do pass these comments on.

England have been on the receiving end of these Thrashings now hopefully it's our turn to reciprocate so let's see if the media type the same.
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06/01/2021 14:30:00 1 1
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No, it's about civility and respect for your opponents. Respect others. No wonder the world is going to pot when you have antagonistic language.
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06/01/2021 09:58:15 33 3
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Just such a shame that the esteemed ECB do not think likewise about NZ and offer a full 5 test series.

This won’t happen as it’s no money spinner like the Aussies / Indians

Talk is cheap, it’s actions required.
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06/01/2021 11:26:59 14 1
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Watched a bit of the match last night and the NZ commentators were saying that this team deserved more test cricket and longer series. They have Aus next so if they win that series who can deny them more?
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06/01/2021 10:27:26 75 1
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You’re not whining, as you are probably aware, we suffer from the odd fool here in the UK, it’s unfortunate but they don’t let us lock them up anymore
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06/01/2021 11:28:45 4 1
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Or send them to Australia! Just kidding!?!
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06/01/2021 11:29:51 7 1
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A well deserved accolade for NZC. A team that plays to win, but plays in the right way. Watching Williamson bat was an absolute pleasure. He is a class act.
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06/01/2021 11:30:16 6 1
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Well done to NZ from a Englishman you have been a very good Test team for a number of years since McCullum took over as Captain Williamson has taken that on.
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06/01/2021 11:37:06 7 1
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Probably the nicest guys in cricket and with some serious talent to boot.
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06/01/2021 11:42:19 8 3
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Have only played 3 series away out of their last 17, hard to take seriously as the World Number 1 (they're clearly not as the humiliation in Australia last year proved).
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06/01/2021 12:17:48 2 2
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Not much different to India to be fair
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06/01/2021 15:42:59 0 1
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Have to agree with this. Good team and well led but not No.1 in the world
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07/01/2021 22:37:33 0 0
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Responsibility for that lies firmly at the feet of the BCCI, Cricket Australia, and the ECB. If they weren't so intent on playing each other constantly, and leaving NZ to a endless series' against Pakistan, Bangladesh, the West Indies, and Sri Lanka, there might well be a different ranking. But as the old adage goes, you can only beat who is in front of you, and NZ has done just that.
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06/01/2021 10:11:41 6 1
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I'm a Kiwi, 5 foot 9 and 93 KGs ... Judging by that I am obese ... However, I am just solid ... I am not fat, don't have a gut and am active ... Many Kiwis are very solid people and we do have a lot of pacific islanders who are even more solid ... You can't read into those rankings ...
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06/01/2021 11:42:45 2 1
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If the Body Mass Index had any validity, most top front row rugby forwards would need to be replaced every ten or fifteen minutes (due to death). These are the players who do most of the work, despite what the three-quarters may say. Lots of the skinny non-sportsmen with a low BMI would never catch any of them in a straight race. BMI does not seem to differentiate between fat and muscle bulk.
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06/01/2021 11:46:05 7 1
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Everything you need to know about the Kiwis is there for all to see in the last hour of the World Cup Final. No histrionics, no badgering the umpire, calm, measured and decent. I don't think we would have handled it the same way and the Aussies / Indians certainly wouldn't . Once you lose the love of the game and winning / money comes first you end up with sore losers. NZ are the best of the best.
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06/01/2021 12:13:22 1 1
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No sense of entitlement with NZ - why they are so effective probably
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06/01/2021 11:13:42 17 2
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Congrats from the U.K, well me at least. Good to see a side full of decent human beings who play way above the spirit that they need to but still have a winning mindset. When India were number one, you got the feeling that too many home Tests were helping them along. When they came to England and New Zealand, we saw them in a different light. Pity your nearest neighbours don't play in the same way
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06/01/2021 11:55:25 0 4
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Pity their rugby snoozion team doesn't, either!
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06/01/2021 10:05:07 10 11
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Neil Wagner, another product of Afrikaans High School Pretoria, as Faf and AB. How did England allow him to slip through their recruitment policies??!
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06/01/2021 11:56:43 0 1
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'Specially as, like Faf, Wagner did a stint in the CC not long ago.
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06/01/2021 11:56:45 4 1
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Great consistency.

Now they need to vanquish the old foe Australia, then England. Then there can be no question after they defeated India last year.

One of the best bowling duo's in the world in Boult and Southee, and a potential other great in Jamison.

The only thing they seem to be missing is a quality spinner, that they've been missing since Dan the man Vettori who was a legend
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tc
06/01/2021 12:30:13 0 2
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they're useless away from home tho.i am not sure why when they have such quality players.