Covid: Sir Keir Starmer calls for 'round the clock' vaccinations
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In a TV address, Labour's leader says millions of doses need to be given each week by the end of January.
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Why is this Muppet being given air time?
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fight muppet with muppet
fight muppet with muppet
Because he's the leader of the opposition and raises a valid (to some) point?
Probably better off asking Gonzo for his opion or maybe Fozzy bear
Because he wants to help get the same message across as Boris.
Only muppets on HYS think it's political.
Viruses don't vote
Only muppets on HYS think it's political.
Viruses don't vote
Because he makes a lot more sense than the incompetent currently in charge.
Because he's Leader of HM Opposition, you muppet.
PS: He's been ahead of the curve on Covid, as opposed to heel-dragging Johnson & Co, for months.
PS: He's been ahead of the curve on Covid, as opposed to heel-dragging Johnson & Co, for months.
The government aren’t planning to do this. Just as the government were planning to send kids to school on Monday but U turned by Monday night.
Oh dear. Except he told Johnson what to do repeatedly. That’s called foresight no matter how hard the shills try to make this pointless name calling stick.
Johnson dithered for months and look at the result
Johnson dithered for months and look at the result
How is calling for more vaccinations hindsight? Literally has nothing to do with hindsight. You tory shills are so irrational. Keir called for a 2 week circuit breaker months ago, which was ignored by Boris and then led to a month long lockdown. Further, Keir called for a nationwide lockdown before Boris announced it yesterday. The opposite of hindsight. But keep peddling the nonsense narrative.
Pathetic attack line, Captain Foresight more like
Honestly, Keir Starmer isn't bad for a politician, certainly not bad for a Labour politician.
He's too safe though right now. Put some pressure on the government, provide some sort of opposition!
He's too safe though right now. Put some pressure on the government, provide some sort of opposition!
Hindsight is saying something should have been done after the fact. This is foresight. And I have no idea why foresight is a negative.
And he's still way in front of Johnson. It was Starmer who told the dithering dolt of a Prime Minister to "get a grip," and stop procrastinating about schools, "open, shut, open, er, um, .... Johnson is totally out of his depth.
That's getting old hat now. It was obvious we would have to lock down in January
Not the usual hindsight, but, like yesterday's gems of wisdom, saying what he knew was already in the pipeline.
As regards round the clock.... don't see him doing much night work.
Freezing nights might be a problem, as well as vaccine delays, as each new batch needs to be checked before distribution.
As regards round the clock.... don't see him doing much night work.
Freezing nights might be a problem, as well as vaccine delays, as each new batch needs to be checked before distribution.
Imagine being so dumb that the rhetoric from boris convinces you
It doesn't take hindsight.
There was plenty of warnings days if not weeks before Johnson did his U- turn.
There was plenty of warnings days if not weeks before Johnson did his U- turn.
Nope just uses the brain god gave him. Unlike Boris who has gone out of his way not and Keir listens to science and those around him not what some angry golf club racists and the Tory rags want to here like Boris
He got it while working on the Trilateral Commission for his globalist financier bosses.
Well he doesn't make outlandish claims of meeting targets and then failing to do so, like Boris..this bunch haven't met a target yet, PPE, test and trace, available staff for the Nightingale hospitals, available vaccines... and so on.
It's foresight not hindsight. This is exactly the situation that Starmer forecast one month ago. Unfortunately General Disaster & his cabinet act too late as usual - what a shower!
Don’t get fooled by Boris and his spin. The nick name captain hindsight might be catchy but he has been way ahead of Boris on most things.
Thanks, DSA. Finally YOU admit that the Government never had the first clue. Wack-a-mole policies concocted by Government and the yes men employed as 'experts.' The PM, PHE, DoE, Ofsted all supported the idea of opening schools and forced parents to send their kids in, only to do a complete U-turn within 24 hours. Its like watching the guy who didn't get the joke still trying to figure it out.
You mean foresight surely? As in, he says what should be done before the government do it
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Wish Boris had a phd in foresight - then we might not be in this mess
DSA
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This guy must have a PHD in hindsight.
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What are you talking about? This is Starmer proposing something that would help and which is not yet happening. A bit like when he suggested the government abandon its relaxed Christmas plan days BEFORE it did so. Do you even know what hindsight means?
(answer: no)
Or do you just parrot what the right wing gutter press call him?
(answer: yes)
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This guy must have a PHD in hindsight.
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What are you talking about? This is Starmer proposing something that would help and which is not yet happening. A bit like when he suggested the government abandon its relaxed Christmas plan days BEFORE it did so. Do you even know what hindsight means?
(answer: no)
Or do you just parrot what the right wing gutter press call him?
(answer: yes)
The guy who wanted to introduce a circuit breaker lockdown over half term last year a month before the Tories finally accepted the advice of the scientists to do so? The one who called for more measures when the Tories were relaxing lockdown...
That is what you regard as hindsight? Calling for action weeks in advance is 'hindsight' is it? Really?
Tory trolls, and smear factories...
That is what you regard as hindsight? Calling for action weeks in advance is 'hindsight' is it? Really?
Tory trolls, and smear factories...
I have no idea what he and his party stand for apart from criticising the government and stating the bleeding obvious ...
Is this the chap that thought Corbyn would be a good PM?
The same chap that sat in Corbyn's shadow cabinet, and turned a blind eye to a multitude of whistle blowers as they were forced to leave his party?
The same chap that then on becoming leader tried to make Corbyn a very public scapegoat for the whole lot, only for his hapless party to absolve and re-admit his scapegoat after only 19 days.
The same chap that sat in Corbyn's shadow cabinet, and turned a blind eye to a multitude of whistle blowers as they were forced to leave his party?
The same chap that then on becoming leader tried to make Corbyn a very public scapegoat for the whole lot, only for his hapless party to absolve and re-admit his scapegoat after only 19 days.
Covid been ongoing 12 months!!
Covid vacs been in development 10months plus!
Pfizer vac about since start dec
Oxford vac near licensing same period.
Ukgov should have had plans, qtys , dates, army of vaccinators ready month back.
Whats the delay and why?
If vaccines that normally take 10 years to roll out were done in a year.. Why delays elsewhere?
Current covid deaths 500+ a day!!
Covid vacs been in development 10months plus!
Pfizer vac about since start dec
Oxford vac near licensing same period.
Ukgov should have had plans, qtys , dates, army of vaccinators ready month back.
Whats the delay and why?
If vaccines that normally take 10 years to roll out were done in a year.. Why delays elsewhere?
Current covid deaths 500+ a day!!
Grow up, he was Spot on again, problem is you Tory's don't like it.
stunning and brave, K Starmer. you basically said "we should vaccinate people"
btw, does K.S. have a digital watch?
btw, does K.S. have a digital watch?
Holding the govt to account is the job of the opposition...even if people don’t like what they say
which Labour have not done for about 10 years
In times of national emergency the job of Westminster is to work as one. All Starmer sees is an opportunity to discredit to woo the voters and you’re falling for it.. well he will go the same way as corbyn
This Government works on the basis of never listening, taking responsibility or resigning.
Trying to use words to hold them to account is like screaming into a void.
Trying to use words to hold them to account is like screaming into a void.
Holding them to account by demanding they do much more of what they are doing? Got it.
To be fair, they have had plenty of practice at being the opposition.
No, that's the electorate's job. Opposition, all opposition, not just Labour, need to convince us they'll do a better job.
So, who is taking their 80 year old mum for a vaccination at midnight? When will cleaners be able to do their job in the hospital?
This is vacuous virtue signalling from an incompetent CPS lawyer. He knows it's pretty much impossible, but sounds like he cares!
So, who is taking their 80 year old mum for a vaccination at midnight? When will cleaners be able to do their job in the hospital?
This is vacuous virtue signalling from an incompetent CPS lawyer. He knows it's pretty much impossible, but sounds like he cares!
Very true, however he said yesterday was not the time to be critical and supported the government - yet less than 24 hours later that's exactly what he's done....
Absolutely, any healthy democratic society needs a viable opposition who support the government when necessary and hold them to account when necessary. There is currently no viable opposition in the UK, Mr Starmer flips and flops and his days must surely be numbered. A viable opposition? Don't see it coming from Labour any time soon.
But when what they say is such Arrant Nonsense they aren't even doing what they are getting paid for.
Telling us that the nhs needs round the clock vaccinations is ridiculously stupid - we don't have the qualified staff available for that... they are at the moment pulling retired staff back in to help with the programme but still don't have enough. The opposition should be giving REALISTIC advice while holding the gov to account - otherwise there is no point, and he should be quiet
They should cooperate with each other to the value of the country instead of tearing each other apart. That's why the UK never moves forward and performs so poorly on the world economic stage. Once no. 1 ... now no. ?
opposition saying stuff for the sake of it no substance behind it...they don't have enough vaccines
More popular than Boris.
Suck it up bootlickers.
Suck it up bootlickers.
Mr Hindsight and Captain Obvious - That should be Starmer's new name..
So obvious yet Johnson and his I humane cancellation of Christmas still get the plaudits
And how many U-turns has Boris made? Bore off.
Pathetic tory attack lines, even in a crisis it's all PM Johnson's Conservatives has to offer.
This Tory lockdown is only in place because of consistent failures by Johnson and his cronies.
Idiot - maybe you've noticed the lockdowns throughout Europe? And in the rest of the UK!
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No, its because people won't do the right thing and follow common sense
What rubbish you write.Wales is run by Labour and has been a disaster
He's right. The virus doesn't work on a 9-5 basis.
I know healthcare staff are pushed but get the vaccine out and the burden will ease.
Rather than getting the army to do mass testing, why not train them how to perform IV injections and really kick it up a notch.
I know healthcare staff are pushed but get the vaccine out and the burden will ease.
Rather than getting the army to do mass testing, why not train them how to perform IV injections and really kick it up a notch.
Lol Why don't we train up the unemployed to give it. . . . waaaaahaaaaaaaa you plum
Scientists have found out now the virus is tucked up in bed by 9pm
Army again... wow.. Ulm the nightingales, man the testing centres, train for war, go on operational duties, carry out ceremonial duties, and now give the vaccine.. and still they keep quiet and don’t winge, unlike you.... give the army some respect and don’t Willy nilly suggest they do pretty much everyhting
The vaccines are just jabs into the muscle. They don't even need to find a blood vessel.
From what I've heard, some regular joes have already been trained in some places to give the vaccine.
Diabetics can inject their own insulation, so it can't be that complicated or risky to give injections into muscle.
From what I've heard, some regular joes have already been trained in some places to give the vaccine.
Diabetics can inject their own insulation, so it can't be that complicated or risky to give injections into muscle.
You're right. It only comes out after 10PM and avoids all Multinational corporations and any entertainment industry (Such as televised football) that can help distract people from the actual tyranny they are under - AKA the new normal.
The professional army already already know how to give intravenous injections in many circumstances including battlefield conditions. You know nothing you muppet!!!
Too many bureaucratic loopholes for them to jump through so I've heard. Local Dentist applied and had to prove to the authorities that he was capable of doing over 20 things.
Damn, I had my rabies, hep, Jap b jabs during the day, over here, does that mean they won't work at night in Malaysia as the viruses don't work 9-5?
Good idea to get the nurses working round the clock, then they can be knackered and do a poor job.
Why not leave it to the them to just get on with what they know how to do?
Good idea to get the nurses working round the clock, then they can be knackered and do a poor job.
Why not leave it to the them to just get on with what they know how to do?
no its the idiots that spread it around on the 9-5 basis, the raves etc ! Stop them and the virus will slow down.
They are already moving to weekends in Birmingham- in laws 80 year old grandparents receiving vaccines this Saturday.
Someone clearly unaware of how much smaller the army is than the NHS. Around 80000, some deployed, some on leave, some training for deployment (they do actually have a day job) and many, many of them you woudn't trust with a needle. Add to that the organisational requirements (booking patients, finding suitable locations, delivery and storage of the vaccine etc etc. Try another idea...
Only downside is that much of the medical side of the Army is territorial volunteers who work in the NHS. Well it was when I was in.
As for training the rest. Sorry I don't think the PBI or Tankies would be that good with a needle :-)
As for training the rest. Sorry I don't think the PBI or Tankies would be that good with a needle :-)
I think medics and medical staff in the forces know how to inject a vaccine ??
You are right. And there are plenty of retired nurses that could do it. There are at least 2 in our little village, with previous experience of organising and giving thousands of (flu) vaccinations. They’d do it for free. But apparently they are “too old” at 70.
I'm no doctor, but how darn hard can it be to stick a needle in an arm. With a bit of training anyone who is so medically inclined (dentists, pharmacists, vets) can get the right place and angle on a human arm.
Actually the injection is intramuscular, not IV. However I agree that it would be better to ask the Army to help with vaccinations rather than testing.
I volunteered for the trials and I want the vaccine to be rolled out as quickly as possible but there is absolutely no way I’m having someone give me a jab who has not had proper training. And I’m not talking about online diversity training either.
Puzzled why he thinks the people doing the injecting should?
They can only work so many hours safely whatever the time of day, and it's the number of 'em that'll be the limiting factor in nearly all situations.
We managed to get people through the Brexit voting booths without doing it a silly o'clock - half the population in a single day.
Tell me it isn't just for image & spin from Starmer.
They can only work so many hours safely whatever the time of day, and it's the number of 'em that'll be the limiting factor in nearly all situations.
We managed to get people through the Brexit voting booths without doing it a silly o'clock - half the population in a single day.
Tell me it isn't just for image & spin from Starmer.
because they need to do sub cutaneous injections for a start (or Intramuscular for the Pfizer vac). But there are plenty of trained medics in the forces, so this could work. Clealry the NHS had to row back on its touchy feely agenda and let the vaccinators loose on teh population.
Completely pointless doing a manual task round the clock. Just get all the same people doing it in the daytime. Much more civil.
Yeah just cram all the people in the same room. What could possibly go wrong? It’ll be eat out to get covid all over again
The Government will no doubt wait a few weeks then decide it’s a good idea.
Army
The problem with the tories defunding the nhs as the my did the police. Fewer police and nurses since they took over
Forces medics ,Vets,retired doctors and nurses
Who knows? Its not as if we haven't had nine months to plan and prepare for this, is it? Oh, wait...
The sun seem to think they can enroll volunteers
Same staff Boris assumed would be manning the Nightingales ? Or has it finally dawned on some that Nightingales was a vanity project , We never could open them as no staff, so another expensive mess up, along with T&T.
And how will you staff that? The NHS are already stretched to the limit so who is going to do this? The bloke is on another planet.
NHS stretched to the limit?
What a shame we chose to isolated ourselves from the world. Making ourselves a less attractive option for foreign doctors and nurses. Who perhaps otherwise, would have been willing to come work here and help us out!
What a shame we chose to isolated ourselves from the world. Making ourselves a less attractive option for foreign doctors and nurses. Who perhaps otherwise, would have been willing to come work here and help us out!
Wrong. It's very simple - you pay people overtime pay and you make the money back in tax revenue later by being to open up businesses earlier.
NHS workers will work unsocialable hours for overtime pay. I know I do. It's all the most important thing they can do for their country right now.
NHS workers will work unsocialable hours for overtime pay. I know I do. It's all the most important thing they can do for their country right now.
Well there's a huge contingent of service personnel, Army, Navy and even the airforce will have a few thousand medics between them
NHS has been chronically underfunded and under staffed by Conservatives for over a decade now, I suppose that is Starmers fault too?
Vets, pharmacists, dentists, army medics, army nurses, retired doctors, retired nurses, specialist biomedical scientists.....loads of people are volunteering to do this. They are all waiting for the government to respond to them.
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And who Slashed funding for the past decade?
Who introduced the costly and wasteful joke of the Internal Market to the NHS for past 30 years?
Who has made the NHS an unattractive place to work for Doctors born raised and trained in the UK?
The Tories have a Failed, Wasteful and Expensive Ideology that costs Lower Rate taxpayers
Who introduced the costly and wasteful joke of the Internal Market to the NHS for past 30 years?
Who has made the NHS an unattractive place to work for Doctors born raised and trained in the UK?
The Tories have a Failed, Wasteful and Expensive Ideology that costs Lower Rate taxpayers
Army, vets, dentist etc
Someone who has actually realised that Boris has been stating the number of vaccines ordered when he should be stating what has been delivered.
The same place the Tories though the staff to run the nightingale hospitals were coming from!
The strange thing about Capitain Hindsight/Kier Starmer is that his magical power is strangely blank when it comes to him NOT prosecuting a certain guy that would fix it.
But on everything else, from Brexit to Covid-19 he is 100% correct...... 2 to 3 weeks AFTER he actually needed to be.
But on everything else, from Brexit to Covid-19 he is 100% correct...... 2 to 3 weeks AFTER he actually needed to be.
Simple. You train them! We're not talking brain surgery here just a simple routine jab. Based on my own experience, the NHS needs a good kick up the backside and some proper management. Maybe bring in some managers from the big supermarkets which seem perfectly well able to cope with a 24 hours a day and 7 days a week service!
There are thousands of volunteers just waiting to be contacted.
Vaccinators could come from any willing vocation , the training to provide a vaccination is very focussed and should be relatively straightforward , vaccination is a very repetitive process and one that it should be easy to guage vaccinator competence very quickly. The important thing is having the correct environment / support should anyone have a reaction but this should be possible.
The same place Bojo claims he got the 1.3 million, or can I take it that you don't believe his boasts neither. Its clear from these right-wing comments that nowhere near the number of vaccinations that have been promised by BJ and his pals are ever going to see reality. Tories still living in la la land where the green grass always grows and everbody else is to blame for their every abject failure
Look, if we made a contract with tbe government. We would have to be tory buddies ready to accept a backhander and then fail to deliver alongside the government. Its not as if they've had several months to organise a vaccination programme. But hang on. They have, and they're already failing us.
I wish I got paid for saying the bleedingly obvious. Tough job.
Well Boris keeps on doing the opposite of the bleeding obvious so maybe it is tough....
Typical Starmer.. cares more about votes than your and my health
He is just saying what we are all thinking get the government off their backside and do it's job. Rally the forces at handle and it can be done
If only Boris would do the bleeding obvious when it needs doing instead of weeks or months later.
Its just a shame that Boris constantly refuses to do the bleedingly obvious.
Whether be locking down the nation far too late causing countless avoidable deaths & huge harm to our economy, sending sick and infectious patients back to care homes to infect and kill others or completly failing to set up an effective track and trace system our terrible Tory leadership constantly fail to do the obvious
Whether be locking down the nation far too late causing countless avoidable deaths & huge harm to our economy, sending sick and infectious patients back to care homes to infect and kill others or completly failing to set up an effective track and trace system our terrible Tory leadership constantly fail to do the obvious
what do you want, the guy is right, at least he's consistent.
We could have vaccinated enough people to achieve herd immunity back in late summer and it would have been free.
Simply lockdown the vulnerable/those who live with the vulnerable, and let the other 70% live as normal and catch it.
The billions urinated up the wall on this crisis, could have paid carehome workers CEO-level salaries to live in the homes over the summer and stay isolated etc.
Simply lockdown the vulnerable/those who live with the vulnerable, and let the other 70% live as normal and catch it.
The billions urinated up the wall on this crisis, could have paid carehome workers CEO-level salaries to live in the homes over the summer and stay isolated etc.
Just get more vaccines made
The Tories need to put somebody with experience in charge of the logistics: army, people from the aviation industry, people with experience of logistics. Not politicians. This is too important.
Don't u think they are working 24/7 already
So what do you think the Pharmaceutical Companies have been doing?
You obviously don’t have a clue. Vaccines take time to manufacture, safety check and distribute. These processes are not under the control of the Government.
You obviously don’t have a clue. Vaccines take time to manufacture, safety check and distribute. These processes are not under the control of the Government.
“Just get more vaccines made”. We already have a worldwide shortage of production facilities an even viles to deliver it in. Production is flat out, with repurposed facilities brought into production. How do you propose this further increase comes about?
I’m sure the likes of Pfizer and AstraZenecer sure could use your expertise ??
I’m sure the likes of Pfizer and AstraZenecer sure could use your expertise ??
No, no and no again. He has never offered anything but what the tories do anyway, when he knows from shared discussion, that they are gonna do it
in hindsight he is highlighting some of the things wrong with Corbyn
the first time I heard Corbyn speak, he came across as calm and controlled..... he wasn't. he was just 'nothingy'
the first time I heard Corbyn speak, he came across as calm and controlled..... he wasn't. he was just 'nothingy'
We need to build capacity and stop shutting the country down. It's amazing how building NHS capacity seems to be harder than bringing a country to a standstill to these lockdown enthusiasts.
We need to buy them from a more developed country.
India already has 50million doses of the Oxford vaccine stockpiled!
India already has 50million doses of the Oxford vaccine stockpiled!
Holding the govt to account is the job of the opposition...even if people don’t like what they say
Surely speaking at PMQ, online and now via broadcast media they are holding the government to account. Else what is the point ?
Except they have and you just choose to ignore it because it doesn't suit your agenda.
We just need a more grown up conversations and to be able to promise less and deliver more. Don't forget the supply outstrips demand levels so its a time to follow the guidance and stay at home. This weekends events were predicted back in the summer and didnt require much thought to say this was going to happen.
Yes all predictable..like 2nd wave and vaccine. Doesn't appear to have been much strategic planning in the summer though
And would everybody have stayed in isolation at Christmas? Would the morons have stopped partying? Would everybody, I mean everybody, wear a face mask?
No, of course not. And that's the problem.
No, of course not. And that's the problem.
The pm doesnt live in the real world. The virus is spreading quicker than we can vacinate.
Yes Kier vaccines are not administered by Androids 24*7, I thought fantasy labour politics was in the past?
He only reads the headlines of tory rags when deciding how to ruin the country. It's all about popularity
But Johnson regularly has three, four, or even more union flags behind him. Whereas Starmer has only got one. That's all that matters to some people.
He only reads Mr Men books.
The right wing rags have a lot to answer for. Instead of supporting the need for social distancing, they have argued for the relaxation of controls in the lead up to Christmas, because their base liked it. Well they got relaxed controls & now COVID-19 is out of control with a new much more infectious variant; just as we were on the cusp of being able to deploy a large scale vaccination programme
He can't read.
Because he’s an inept clown,out of his depth,not got the balls to shut the country down properly to suppress the virus in stead dragging it on and on killing our family members and the trade of ordinary people till nothing is left
He doesnt read anything in full incl the brexit deal. Good old spin but never backs anything up in reality.
Excellent leadership shown, full of support, scrutiny and with a clear vision and way out of this. No bluster, silly slogans or nonsense, just common sense and clear route ahead...
Johnson dithered and blew it, but with starmer holding him to account, we may stand a chance
Johnson dithered and blew it, but with starmer holding him to account, we may stand a chance
DRUG COMPANY SHAREHOLDERS WILL BE PROUD OF THIS TELEVISED ANNOUNCEMENT.
YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE THEM FLANKING YOU AS YOU DELIER THIS SPEECH.
LABOUR ALSO WANTS TO BAN THOSE WHO CHALLLENGE THE SCIENCE BEHIND VACCINES.
LABOUR ARE A GIFT FOR BIG PHARMA.
YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE THEM FLANKING YOU AS YOU DELIER THIS SPEECH.
LABOUR ALSO WANTS TO BAN THOSE WHO CHALLLENGE THE SCIENCE BEHIND VACCINES.
LABOUR ARE A GIFT FOR BIG PHARMA.
I’m informed of the problem with vaccines. I’m also informed that along with antibiotics, vaccines are one of the most important successful global public health measures in history.
We NEED this vaccine to work, it’s our best hope. It may not, but we need it to work.
We NEED this vaccine to work, it’s our best hope. It may not, but we need it to work.
Maybe the anti-vax science needs to be challenged too. Preferably by people with enough intelligence to be able to correctly operate the shift key on a keyboard.
What qualifies you to challenge the science behind vaccine? Watching some videos on YouTube doesn't count.
We could have vaccinated enough people to achieve herd immunity back in late summer and it would have been free.
Simply lockdown the vulnerable/those who live with the vulnerable, and let the other 70% live as normal and catch it.
The billions urinated up the wall on this crisis, could have paid carehome workers CEO-level salaries to live in the homes over the summer and stay isolated etc.
Simply lockdown the vulnerable/those who live with the vulnerable, and let the other 70% live as normal and catch it.
The billions urinated up the wall on this crisis, could have paid carehome workers CEO-level salaries to live in the homes over the summer and stay isolated etc.
Learn to read.
The few percent who are clogging up our hospitals (and the people living with them who can spread it to them) would have been protected and shielded.
The other 70% who would barely get a sniffle, would have caught the virus and be immune now. Everyone would be back to normal and just the handful of bed blockers could get the vaccine this winter as a precaution and be released.
The few percent who are clogging up our hospitals (and the people living with them who can spread it to them) would have been protected and shielded.
The other 70% who would barely get a sniffle, would have caught the virus and be immune now. Everyone would be back to normal and just the handful of bed blockers could get the vaccine this winter as a precaution and be released.
Keir finally catching on that he'll win no normal people votes while constantly sniping, carping and being a critic with hindsight. Being less politically motivated and supporting the efforts may actually help the fence sitter...
You obviously haven't been paying attention, what an ignorant comment.
It's not politically expedient to be seen to be supporting a government that is failing so badly.
More popular than Boris.
Suck it up bootlickers.
Suck it up bootlickers.
Time for the tory trolls to crawl out with the 'captain hindsight' attack line.
Hopefully people see the irony in this given he has repeatedly made suggestions that conservatives end up doing when it is too late, not without having mocked him in the meantime.
Hopefully people see the irony in this given he has repeatedly made suggestions that conservatives end up doing when it is too late, not without having mocked him in the meantime.
The government are clearly failing at every step, it needs a champion like Sir Keir to call them out on it. Keeping up the pressure is the best thing to do. Haters just dont like the red he wears, they are too stupid to understand the simple words out of his mouth, this is probably why they dont wear masks and hang around with their mates in Tier 4 areas.
A champion, he does not know what to do, and couldnt do any better. No one could. Its is an unknown, and a moveable feast, it tries its best to beat medicine and science every time. Its a virus
Champion... Lolz
We do need a champion, but it isn't Starmer. Someone with the guts to scrap the lockdowns and let Nature run its course. Not a popular move. Even the Greens can't stand Nature in action.
Sir Keir is still using the pandemic to politicise, and try and score political points. He said we should have another lockdown, as soon as he knew Boris was going to announce it. He said we need to up the vaccination programme, when he knew it was going to be announced, He says Government has made serious mistakes, but he has never offered alternative. Governments made mistak...it was an unknown
Lies. Johnson claims he didn’t know until AFTER starmer called for it...for a third time! Why does starmer know what Johnson is going to do before he does himself...and often after several embarrassing u turns as seen this week
He said we should have been properly locked down including schools in October. He said restrictions should be tightened over Xmas and Johnson called it inhumane. Then jonhson cancelled Xmas and finally , months later decides to lockdown properly again.
The UK has the 10th highest deaths per million people out of every country in the world. We're also one of the countries which is taking the biggest economic hit.
You're kidding yourself if you think this couldn't have been handled better!
You're kidding yourself if you think this couldn't have been handled better!
It's not his job to offer alternatives for the government. The pandemic has been the first time many people have paid any attention to how politics work and it shows.
"Governments made mistak...it was an unknown"
What does this even mean? You bots need to improve your programming.
What does this even mean? You bots need to improve your programming.
Mistakes that have led to thousands of deaths and trashed the economy . But hey, let's not blame them. Dolt.
and so did Ms Sturgeon !. The available info changed and so they both had to change course, quickly. This virus is unpredictable (except of course to the hindsighters) and you have to change with it God forbid that those idiots who say that you should choose a course of action and stick with it whatever happens ought not be let loose on planning anything, and certainly not a war.
This Tory lockdown is only in place because of consistent failures by Johnson and his cronies.
Ahhh, but no political leader dare recommend we all consider taking a vitamin d3/k2/Zinc & selenium supplement each day - plus some fruit rich in vitamin C. That would upset Big Pharma!
Go back to “dr” Gillian. Maybe inject some bleach whilst you are there
No one should recommend this as it would be irresponsible. ‘Big pharma’ is full of normal people working round the clock doing their best to bring an end to this with an effective vaccine. Of course if you are lacking in essential nutrients it will affect your immune system, but a normally working immune system can’t fight off everything, hence how infectious diseases spread.
And which political leader would not recommend a healthy balanced diet. What relevant qualifications do you hold?
He's right. The virus doesn't work on a 9-5 basis.
I know healthcare staff are pushed but get the vaccine out and the burden will ease.
Rather than getting the army to do mass testing, why not train them how to perform IV injections and really kick it up a notch.
I know healthcare staff are pushed but get the vaccine out and the burden will ease.
Rather than getting the army to do mass testing, why not train them how to perform IV injections and really kick it up a notch.
I'm not a doctor; point remains. The labour is available.
Didn't catch SKS tonight, but I will bet what ever he said tonight, will be Tory policy next week......
He was clear, concise, commanding and showed a vision. He offered to support the government but wants them to enter a contract and not to blow this. Its probably why we have a ring of “hindsight” comments on here to deflect attention away.
Compare tonight to the marr car crash and no one sensible can suggest we have the right person in charge
Compare tonight to the marr car crash and no one sensible can suggest we have the right person in charge
think you need to use brain, its other way round. he gets advance notification of what government are going to do.Then he gets a press conference to tell all what he thinks should happen
So Starmer is the idiot ignoring the UN and all the science papers showing lock-down's don't work and will kill more in the long run?
People are happy to shop at a 24hour supermarket, so what’s the issue?
and its full of 70 +year olds in the middle of the night is it.??
85 year olds don't. In my experience most people over about 60 don't open their doors after dark. No police around - too busy protecting illegal immigrants & grooming gangs.
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24 hour supermarkets are almost deserted outside of normal shopping hours. It'd be an incredibly inefficient use of staff if they weren't already there to restock.
Really, it's a stupid proposal. You're going to make 90 year olds head out and queue up at 4am so you can make less efficient use of the scarce staff capable of giving them? (Shift working inherently gets less usable time from staff.)
Really, it's a stupid proposal. You're going to make 90 year olds head out and queue up at 4am so you can make less efficient use of the scarce staff capable of giving them? (Shift working inherently gets less usable time from staff.)
Getting the trained staff to give it safely and producing the vaccine quick enough to name a few
There is insufficient supply for one thing
It is easier to be qualified to stack shelves and direct people to items in the store, so your comment is kinda pointless
The issue is lack of supply. We coukd do jabs around the clock providing we had the supplies of vaccine to do it, but we haven't.......
The issue is volume supplies of the vaccine!
Whay an ill thought out and assinine comment Nuff! So what if I want to shop at 3 in the morning, I'm not WORKING at 3.00 am whereas those administering the vaccine would be. But I don't suppose that matters to the 'I'm alright Jack' society of today does it?
If there is enough stock - Oldies during the day, younglings at night.
As long as Sharon on Till 3 isnt injecting me I'm happy with that...lol
And which 82 year olds will turn up for their 03.20 appointment?
The ones with nothing else to do that are taking up valuable resources with no reason to live other than moan about how the decisions they voted for made the country worse
Ones who want to do the right thing for their health and their country. 80+ year olds are patriots. They know what a national effort is.
And which 22 year old will turn up on time for their appointment at any time?
Boris Johnson is the biggest mistake in the history of uk politics
Biggest mistake is the Labour Party who have not got a clue and have a Leader that has no ideas along with his Cabinet that are as thick as a plank of wood
Why’s that.. and Disraeli taken into account.. ime interested why is he the biggest mistake? By the way who did you vote for in last GE?
I'm no fan but it's easy to criticise from your armchair isn't it??
Yea.. we all saw corbyn and the thickwitted woman abbott... they made laurel and hardy look intelligent, and they also make Boris so much the better option. Oh wait then there is super intelligent Blair who used a university students text to start a war - Labour so much the better option lol
Unfortunately, ahead of the last election, he purged his party of candidates he thought might challenge him, meaning the ceiling for Conservative MPs has been set very low. So even after Johnson goes (which probably will be before long), he'll have left a legacy of a severely intellectually impoverished government lasting at least until the next general election.
Given he has make Labour look shite, won and election with a massive majority, what does that make them?
Had to down thumb you there pal ! although the man is 100% useless , he does have a fair list of competition for the number one slot.
I would go as far as to say that John Major was the ONLY pm in living memory who appeared capable, and I hate Tories to my marrow.
I would go as far as to say that John Major was the ONLY pm in living memory who appeared capable, and I hate Tories to my marrow.
Oh grow up
"Mistake"??? Pardon my ignorance, but wasn't Mr. Johnson duly / democratically E L E C T E D? Winning an election (and by a large majority, I might add) is not my understanding of a "mistake"... That being said, it's obviously so much easier to blame a "mistake" than assume responsibility for ones actions ...
does K Starmer remind anyone of Roy Walker?
Does Johnson not remind you of a certain clown or any clown come to think of it ....
What rubbish he says.As if the Government has not already planned for this.First with the Vaccine,1.3 million done in first four weeks.Mr Hindsight he really is.His party runs Wales and it has been a disaster there ever since they did the short circuit breaker which he advanced.
They haven't planned for it. That's the point.
I believe that the Gov are not enlisting pharmacists to deliver the vaccine in spite of them already delivering seasonal flu vaccines. I’m a retired dentist. Would be more than happy to do this if asked but face closed doors and endless bureaucracy when I try to apply. Similar situation for retired doctor friends. Can the Gov afford to be this choosy?
Is that the same army who have quietly got on with it, nit winged or moaned over Christmas whilst also training for overseas operations in battle zones.. you mean that Army.. you really are so ungrateful
many dentists etc. have taken one look at what they have to complete to take part in the vaccination program and said "on your bike". Their existing qualifications don't count, it seems.
Jeepers some people don't have the common sense they were born with.
They will need all of those and more just to manage doing it in the day time. That has already been made clear (if people listen) how else do you reckon 1 million people a week can be vaccinated?
Also what good is having people 24 hours a day when you don't have sufficient supply of the vaccine for that.
They will need all of those and more just to manage doing it in the day time. That has already been made clear (if people listen) how else do you reckon 1 million people a week can be vaccinated?
Also what good is having people 24 hours a day when you don't have sufficient supply of the vaccine for that.
Why army, vets, dentists - they don't know anything about these vaccines. Actually they are not vaccines at all but genetic medical interventions. Vaccine is a cover name.
Dont you think vets and dentists have plenty of work anyway? Why give up their day job and night, in vets case.
But it's reported that Pharmacists have offered to give Covid jabs and been snubbed, so how would vets and dentists get a look in?
Yeah, right.
So the army can do it's defence tasks, necessary training, multiple global deployments, flood assistance, man the Nightingale hospitals AND be trained for and administer vaccinations.
It's amazing what 79,000 (that's ALL the army, or 110,000 with reserves) can do.
I mean, it's only 30% the size of the BEF...
So the army can do it's defence tasks, necessary training, multiple global deployments, flood assistance, man the Nightingale hospitals AND be trained for and administer vaccinations.
It's amazing what 79,000 (that's ALL the army, or 110,000 with reserves) can do.
I mean, it's only 30% the size of the BEF...
All western democracies are struggling with CoVid because we relish our freedoms. Starmer for all his bright ideas and procrastination would fare no better than Johnson as his front is even more lightweight.
Yes it's incredible, no other country in Europe has been affected by Covid.......oh wait a minute. And the Europeans are much further ahead in vaccination..........oh wait a minute. Have I misunderstood something?
I think we should ask Father Christmas to vaccinate everyone as it would be done in a day. The elves could make all the glass vials needed and Mother Christmas could give everyone a lollipop too.
Unfortunately in the real world we haven't got the vials or can check the batches for quality control to deliver this. It's just political opportunism by Starmer.
Unfortunately in the real world we haven't got the vials or can check the batches for quality control to deliver this. It's just political opportunism by Starmer.
Time for the tory trolls to crawl out with the 'captain hindsight' attack line.
Hopefully people see the irony in this given he has repeatedly made suggestions that conservatives end up doing when it is too late, not without having mocked him in the meantime.
Hopefully people see the irony in this given he has repeatedly made suggestions that conservatives end up doing when it is too late, not without having mocked him in the meantime.
Funnily enough he is not allowed to criticise the government without being accused of being political by the torys, maybe he should be silent for the next 4 years.
No chance I would ever vote Labour but Starmer spot on tonight. Put him in charge of getting us vaccinated.
This Tory lockdown is only in place because of consistent failures by Johnson and his cronies.
how many Army medics do you think we have, or do you want any soldier giving jabs?. . . the brain cells of some people are very restricted
The army?
Would you want a vaccination from someone trained to kill people?
What could possibly go wrong?
Would you want a vaccination from someone trained to kill people?
What could possibly go wrong?
The army is currently 80,000 strong of which just under half are frontline troops. The rest in various supporting arms including transport, admin etc leaving very few (probably in the 100's) actually trained medics that meet the civvy criteria to give you a jab. Unless you are proposing all the Army do it?
Most Army medical staff are TA and are working in the NHS already.
Look at the size of HM Forces and the continual cuts since the 1950s first and then look at the numbers in their medical units .... you might be surprised how few there are.
The Government will no doubt wait a few weeks then decide it’s a good idea.
Alot of Jibba Jabba on here..fools
We could have vaccinated enough people to achieve herd immunity back in late summer and it would have been free.
Simply lockdown the vulnerable/those who live with the vulnerable, and let the other 70% live as normal and catch it.
The billions urinated up the wall on this crisis, could have paid carehome workers CEO-level salaries to live in the homes over the summer and stay isolated etc.
Simply lockdown the vulnerable/those who live with the vulnerable, and let the other 70% live as normal and catch it.
The billions urinated up the wall on this crisis, could have paid carehome workers CEO-level salaries to live in the homes over the summer and stay isolated etc.
Ahhh, but no political leader dare recommend we all consider taking a vitamin d3/k2/Zinc & selenium supplement each day - plus some fruit rich in vitamin C. That would upset Big Pharma!
And your point is?
I saw him on tv this morning, Piers Morgan asked him why no one had thought of this now hes a mouth for Mr Morgan
Excellent leadership shown, full of support, scrutiny and with a clear vision and way out of this. No bluster, silly slogans or nonsense, just common sense and clear route ahead...
Johnson dithered and blew it, but with starmer holding him to account, we may stand a chance
Johnson dithered and blew it, but with starmer holding him to account, we may stand a chance
In April Kier was attacking the government because it didn't have an "exit strategy" from the first lockdown, back when deaths were nearly 1000 a day and increasing. The guy is incredible!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNsngBzxNaA&list=PLG8IrydigQffwbS24NY2zTj-r1_Jnnet9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNsngBzxNaA&list=PLG8IrydigQffwbS24NY2zTj-r1_Jnnet9
They still don't have one.
theprowerwins
Utter nonsense.
In 2010 there were 280,000 nurses in the NHS, in 2018 there were 287500 nurses in the NHS.
That is MORE nurses.
Police numbers dropped, certainly.......... to the level they were at in 2005 (I don't know if you remember 2005, but the UK wasn't exactly a lawless place with that many police). Although 0 police policed facebook in 2005!
Utter nonsense.
In 2010 there were 280,000 nurses in the NHS, in 2018 there were 287500 nurses in the NHS.
That is MORE nurses.
Police numbers dropped, certainly.......... to the level they were at in 2005 (I don't know if you remember 2005, but the UK wasn't exactly a lawless place with that many police). Although 0 police policed facebook in 2005!
The government are clearly failing at every step, it needs a champion like Sir Keir to call them out on it. Keeping up the pressure is the best thing to do. Haters just dont like the red he wears, they are too stupid to understand the simple words out of his mouth, this is probably why they dont wear masks and hang around with their mates in Tier 4 areas.
This bloke's an idiot. It's all very well to spout complete nonsense when you don't have to back it up with action. Where are the staff coming from and how do you get the elderly there in the middle of the night. Complete and utter tosh. Thank God he's not in power.
its a perfectly reasonable proposition. I would queue up in the middle of the night to get the jab and so would many others. The elderly can be done during the day if thats a problem. Im absolutely certain my mother would go in the middle of night and shes in the high risk group. Please talk sense
1,2 3 o'clock, 4 o'clock jab, 5, 6 7 o'clock, 8 o'clock jab.
9, 10 11 o'clock, 12 o'clock jab
We're gonna take, the chance to try and get polular...
Oh it's an opporunity
to slag the Pm
I am going grab that
cos it may never happen again
Oh its Starmer for PM, vote for me
vote vote vote and then you'll see
I'm just as clueless as all the rest before..... Removed
9, 10 11 o'clock, 12 o'clock jab
We're gonna take, the chance to try and get polular...
Oh it's an opporunity
to slag the Pm
I am going grab that
cos it may never happen again
Oh its Starmer for PM, vote for me
vote vote vote and then you'll see
I'm just as clueless as all the rest before..... Removed
This Tory lockdown is only in place because of consistent failures by Johnson and his cronies.
Seems to be a good idea. As it usually is from him. It will be Hapless Hancock's policy within the week.
Itv is already the policy it is just Starmer announced it in hindsight
I could'nt agree more with Sir Keir. A few hours of your life to turn the tide. I'd take that on the chin rather than this constant locking up
LABOUR WILL POLITICISE EVERY ISSUE INCLUDING VACCINES. FOR THEM ITS ABOUT POLITICAL CAPITAL.
"But I think we should use the opportunity, don't let a good crisis go to waste."
- Labour's shadow education secretary Kate Green
"But I think we should use the opportunity, don't let a good crisis go to waste."
- Labour's shadow education secretary Kate Green
Time for the tory trolls to crawl out with the 'captain hindsight' attack line.
Hopefully people see the irony in this given he has repeatedly made suggestions that conservatives end up doing when it is too late, not without having mocked him in the meantime.
Hopefully people see the irony in this given he has repeatedly made suggestions that conservatives end up doing when it is too late, not without having mocked him in the meantime.
He appears to make suggestions having actually read the SAGE reports, whilst torys are busy trying to sacrifice as many people as possible to keep pennies rolling through the economy.
No we didn't. We just left the EU. We haven't isolated from the rest of the world. Don't make things up!!
Funny how your ideal of a god-like health service is to steal 3rd world doctors and nurses.
How about training more British ones instead.
How about training more British ones instead.
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Didn't catch SKS tonight, but I will bet what ever he said tonight, will be Tory policy next week......
He was clear, concise, commanding and showed a vision. He offered to support the government but wants them to enter a contract and not to blow this. Its probably why we have a ring of “hindsight” comments on here to deflect attention away.
Compare tonight to the marr car crash and no one sensible can suggest we have the right person in charge
Compare tonight to the marr car crash and no one sensible can suggest we have the right person in charge
No sign of “vision” when he defended Cyril Smith et al.
Just £ signs.
Just £ signs.
This is the man who demanded the Government allowed everybody to get together for Christmas...
Then slagged the Government for trying to allow that to happen.
He contradicts his own thoughts on a daily basis simply in the hope that people forget yesterday's meanderings.
He's a chancer.
Then slagged the Government for trying to allow that to happen.
He contradicts his own thoughts on a daily basis simply in the hope that people forget yesterday's meanderings.
He's a chancer.
I can suggest we have right person, no one else could have done it, especially Sir Keir Starmer
I watched him in the commons the other day and he was quite impressive.
In April Kier was attacking the government because it didn't have an "exit strategy" from the first lockdown, back when deaths were nearly 1000 a day and increasing. The guy is incredible!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNsngBzxNaA&list=PLG8IrydigQffwbS24NY2zTj-r1_Jnnet9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNsngBzxNaA&list=PLG8IrydigQffwbS24NY2zTj-r1_Jnnet9
And which 82 year olds will turn up for their 03.20 appointment?
Sir Keir is still using the pandemic to politicise, and try and score political points. He said we should have another lockdown, as soon as he knew Boris was going to announce it. He said we need to up the vaccination programme, when he knew it was going to be announced, He says Government has made serious mistakes, but he has never offered alternative. Governments made mistak...it was an unknown
heh
Ikea Starmers - cheap AND shoddy.
Excellent leadership shown, full of support, scrutiny and with a clear vision and way out of this. No bluster, silly slogans or nonsense, just common sense and clear route ahead...
Johnson dithered and blew it, but with starmer holding him to account, we may stand a chance
Johnson dithered and blew it, but with starmer holding him to account, we may stand a chance
And which 82 year olds will turn up for their 03.20 appointment?
The staff were ready, they were just never used, in fact my neighbour, now a GP practice nurse,formerly ICU (about a year out) was on standby and never called up.
More popular than Boris.
Suck it up bootlickers.
Suck it up bootlickers.
Every high street as empty shops one or two could be used as a vaccine centre. As a type 1 diabetic giving myself 2 injections a day for 40 years I am repaired to help out on the late shift.
Ahhh, but no political leader dare recommend we all consider taking a vitamin d3/k2/Zinc & selenium supplement each day - plus some fruit rich in vitamin C. That would upset Big Pharma!
Sir Keir is still using the pandemic to politicise, and try and score political points. He said we should have another lockdown, as soon as he knew Boris was going to announce it. He said we need to up the vaccination programme, when he knew it was going to be announced, He says Government has made serious mistakes, but he has never offered alternative. Governments made mistak...it was an unknown
A SPEECH FOR THE BENEFIT OF DRUG FIRM SHAREHOLDERS.
THEY WILL ENJOY THEIR HUGE DIVIDENDS WITH THE HELP OF THE LABOUR PARTY.
WHO NEEDS MARKETING WHEN YOU GOT THE LABOUR PARTY PLAYING PARTY POLITICS WITH VACCINES.
THEY WILL ENJOY THEIR HUGE DIVIDENDS WITH THE HELP OF THE LABOUR PARTY.
WHO NEEDS MARKETING WHEN YOU GOT THE LABOUR PARTY PLAYING PARTY POLITICS WITH VACCINES.
Shut up Starmer, so easy to come up with ideas when you don't have to carry them out. I doubt he would have a clue, blaming the rich for everything and all Covid breakers as the vulnerable. What a 22 carrot pl&nker.
That is Boris modus operandum. When you think it couldn’t get more ridiculous, he finds a way.
What rubbish he says.As if the Government has not already planned for this.First with the Vaccine,1.3 million done in first four weeks.Mr Hindsight he really is.His party runs Wales and it has been a disaster there ever since they did the short circuit breaker which he advanced.