Train services set to be reduced in lockdown
05/01/2021 | news | business | 162
Some in the industry are anticipating reductions of between 50-60% of normal service in England.
1
05/01/2021 16:06:31 6 8
bbc
How about some fuel rationing to keep frivolous car travel down a bit too?
4
05/01/2021 16:11:04 3 6
bbc
Very nice thought for those people who have to travel to support their bubble.
This pandemic has certainly brought out the nasties in some people
6
05/01/2021 16:14:51 3 5
bbc
There is already a large fuel duty charge on petrol and diesel, along with VAT. Drivers pay enough.
15
05/01/2021 16:29:37 1 1
bbc
Yes as most around here are visiting touristy spots and/or second homes - not bubble supporting
56
05/01/2021 19:05:56 0 1
bbc
Fuel duty should go up
2
05/01/2021 16:09:17 3 3
bbc
The trains I see where I live (in a conurbation) are almost empty. I went on one a few weeks ago and was one of only three passengers, in a four-coach train. Such a waste.
13
05/01/2021 16:28:35 2 0
bbc
Move from a conurbation and see the difference.
3
05/01/2021 16:10:49 20 4
bbc
During this entire pandemic, train companies had very few passengers and they were given taxpayer funded bailout in billions. In spite of this all these train companies kept on selling peak hour day tickets to all passengers. Atleast they could have offered off peak or discounted tickets for people who do not have any other modes of transport. Profits to shareholders and all loss to taxpayers.
12
05/01/2021 16:27:52 1 0
bbc
Pay-the-conductor lines didn't collect from March to November so not all train companies?
19
05/01/2021 16:39:38 4 0
bbc
Nothing to do with "profits to shareholders" - the DfT has complete control at the moment and it told them to retain the fares as they are. The Treasury has insisted that "every penny possible" is extracted from people who are travelling. The industry has proposed many fare cuts or offers and most have been rejected by the Government.
43
05/01/2021 18:42:47 0 0
bbc
The reason they are selling tickets to make money - if the train system were to swop places with the police force and do their job I suspect they would require billions in exra funding for being both the railways and the police
1
05/01/2021 16:06:31 6 8
bbc
How about some fuel rationing to keep frivolous car travel down a bit too?
4
05/01/2021 16:11:04 3 6
bbc
Very nice thought for those people who have to travel to support their bubble.
This pandemic has certainly brought out the nasties in some people
7
05/01/2021 16:21:16 4 1
bbc
"have to travel to support their bubble"

I said frivolous. If you don't think that counts as frivolous why would you assume I would? Pathetic comment unworthy of someone claiming to be truthsayer or is that a typo for truthslayer?
17
05/01/2021 16:30:18 0 1
bbc
Not bubble supporting here - touristy sites/second home visiting
57
05/01/2021 19:06:22 1 0
bbc
Yes like my mother
5
05/01/2021 16:13:53 3 0
bbc
It is also hard to see how bus services, which are running mostly on low passenger numbers, can continue without being reduced.
11
05/01/2021 16:26:38 2 0
bbc
No option here to use a bus, train or nowt.
54
05/01/2021 19:03:46 0 0
bbc
My mother has to use local bus to get to me or walk 0.6 miles. A lot for a 65 year old
1
05/01/2021 16:06:31 6 8
bbc
How about some fuel rationing to keep frivolous car travel down a bit too?
6
05/01/2021 16:14:51 3 5
bbc
There is already a large fuel duty charge on petrol and diesel, along with VAT. Drivers pay enough.
10
05/01/2021 16:26:23 4 1
bbc
I said rationing, not price increase. It was a simple suggestion, I hope you can driver better than you can read.
4
05/01/2021 16:11:04 3 6
bbc
Very nice thought for those people who have to travel to support their bubble.
This pandemic has certainly brought out the nasties in some people
7
05/01/2021 16:21:16 4 1
bbc
"have to travel to support their bubble"

I said frivolous. If you don't think that counts as frivolous why would you assume I would? Pathetic comment unworthy of someone claiming to be truthsayer or is that a typo for truthslayer?
18
05/01/2021 16:32:00 1 4
bbc
Yep, just another nasty old meanie
8
05/01/2021 16:25:21 9 1
bbc
Short term service reductions make sense during lockdown, but I'm concerned that the government will take the opportunity to reduce services for good. If the country is really going to 'build back greener', then a reliable nationwide rail service is a key part of that.
21
05/01/2021 16:49:22 9 0
bbc
better still more WFH or working locally using the internet so less trains needed for passengers, more capacity for freight and so able to take more of it off the roads by lorry, at least for part of the journey.
52
05/01/2021 19:02:33 0 0
bbc
That’s the worry will we be 1960 again?
75
06/01/2021 01:00:58 0 0
bbc
No we need to cease such traveling. That is 'green'.
9
05/01/2021 16:25:50 1 1
bbc
Hardly surprising. Predicted this months ago.
Will isolate even more rural dwellers.
14
05/01/2021 16:29:05 6 0
bbc
Rural dweller don't see many trains let alone any picking up passengers locally.
40
05/01/2021 18:38:11 1 1
bbc
did that in 60's remember beeching and that dodgy roads minister
another corrupt tory???
surely not
6
05/01/2021 16:14:51 3 5
bbc
There is already a large fuel duty charge on petrol and diesel, along with VAT. Drivers pay enough.
10
05/01/2021 16:26:23 4 1
bbc
I said rationing, not price increase. It was a simple suggestion, I hope you can driver better than you can read.
5
05/01/2021 16:13:53 3 0
bbc
It is also hard to see how bus services, which are running mostly on low passenger numbers, can continue without being reduced.
11
05/01/2021 16:26:38 2 0
bbc
No option here to use a bus, train or nowt.
3
05/01/2021 16:10:49 20 4
bbc
During this entire pandemic, train companies had very few passengers and they were given taxpayer funded bailout in billions. In spite of this all these train companies kept on selling peak hour day tickets to all passengers. Atleast they could have offered off peak or discounted tickets for people who do not have any other modes of transport. Profits to shareholders and all loss to taxpayers.
12
05/01/2021 16:27:52 1 0
bbc
Pay-the-conductor lines didn't collect from March to November so not all train companies?
2
05/01/2021 16:09:17 3 3
bbc
The trains I see where I live (in a conurbation) are almost empty. I went on one a few weeks ago and was one of only three passengers, in a four-coach train. Such a waste.
13
05/01/2021 16:28:35 2 0
bbc
Move from a conurbation and see the difference.
9
05/01/2021 16:25:50 1 1
bbc
Hardly surprising. Predicted this months ago.
Will isolate even more rural dwellers.
14
05/01/2021 16:29:05 6 0
bbc
Rural dweller don't see many trains let alone any picking up passengers locally.
1
05/01/2021 16:06:31 6 8
bbc
How about some fuel rationing to keep frivolous car travel down a bit too?
15
05/01/2021 16:29:37 1 1
bbc
Yes as most around here are visiting touristy spots and/or second homes - not bubble supporting
16
05/01/2021 16:29:58 2 4
bbc
May I suggest cutting train length to 4 cars immediately on suburban routes including London to Brighton (frequently 10 or 12) and the long distance trains (eg London-Newcastle) from 10 or 12 to 6? Also reduce train frequency from 3 per hour to 2 and 4 to 2?
20
05/01/2021 16:41:21 14 0
bbc
Some of those numbers aren't possible - the East Coast trains are 5 or 9 coaches long and can't be reduced to 6 - equipment is spread through the vehicles, take one away and the train won't work. Some of the longer trains are running as the DfT has ordered the companies to maximise space for social distancing - they're doing as they've been told by the DfT.
22
05/01/2021 16:55:47 4 0
bbc
it costs pretty much the same to run the train, however many coaches it is made up of. I also reduces maintenance costs if you keep machinery running, rather than leave it standing for a long time.
For this reason, please make sure you start and drive your vehicles at least once a week!
50
05/01/2021 19:00:01 0 2
bbc
I don’t know why Ashford to Eastbourne had 4 carriages on a Sunday I watched it go past and hardly anyone on it such a waste!
4
05/01/2021 16:11:04 3 6
bbc
Very nice thought for those people who have to travel to support their bubble.
This pandemic has certainly brought out the nasties in some people
17
05/01/2021 16:30:18 0 1
bbc
Not bubble supporting here - touristy sites/second home visiting
7
05/01/2021 16:21:16 4 1
bbc
"have to travel to support their bubble"

I said frivolous. If you don't think that counts as frivolous why would you assume I would? Pathetic comment unworthy of someone claiming to be truthsayer or is that a typo for truthslayer?
18
05/01/2021 16:32:00 1 4
bbc
Yep, just another nasty old meanie
3
05/01/2021 16:10:49 20 4
bbc
During this entire pandemic, train companies had very few passengers and they were given taxpayer funded bailout in billions. In spite of this all these train companies kept on selling peak hour day tickets to all passengers. Atleast they could have offered off peak or discounted tickets for people who do not have any other modes of transport. Profits to shareholders and all loss to taxpayers.
19
05/01/2021 16:39:38 4 0
bbc
Nothing to do with "profits to shareholders" - the DfT has complete control at the moment and it told them to retain the fares as they are. The Treasury has insisted that "every penny possible" is extracted from people who are travelling. The industry has proposed many fare cuts or offers and most have been rejected by the Government.
55
05/01/2021 19:04:36 0 0
bbc
Yes and the arrangement has changed now the fares have to be paid first to DFT before then staff are POF after
16
05/01/2021 16:29:58 2 4
bbc
May I suggest cutting train length to 4 cars immediately on suburban routes including London to Brighton (frequently 10 or 12) and the long distance trains (eg London-Newcastle) from 10 or 12 to 6? Also reduce train frequency from 3 per hour to 2 and 4 to 2?
20
05/01/2021 16:41:21 14 0
bbc
Some of those numbers aren't possible - the East Coast trains are 5 or 9 coaches long and can't be reduced to 6 - equipment is spread through the vehicles, take one away and the train won't work. Some of the longer trains are running as the DfT has ordered the companies to maximise space for social distancing - they're doing as they've been told by the DfT.
8
05/01/2021 16:25:21 9 1
bbc
Short term service reductions make sense during lockdown, but I'm concerned that the government will take the opportunity to reduce services for good. If the country is really going to 'build back greener', then a reliable nationwide rail service is a key part of that.
21
05/01/2021 16:49:22 9 0
bbc
better still more WFH or working locally using the internet so less trains needed for passengers, more capacity for freight and so able to take more of it off the roads by lorry, at least for part of the journey.
53
05/01/2021 19:02:53 0 0
bbc
I suggested this for channel tunnel
16
05/01/2021 16:29:58 2 4
bbc
May I suggest cutting train length to 4 cars immediately on suburban routes including London to Brighton (frequently 10 or 12) and the long distance trains (eg London-Newcastle) from 10 or 12 to 6? Also reduce train frequency from 3 per hour to 2 and 4 to 2?
22
05/01/2021 16:55:47 4 0
bbc
it costs pretty much the same to run the train, however many coaches it is made up of. I also reduces maintenance costs if you keep machinery running, rather than leave it standing for a long time.
For this reason, please make sure you start and drive your vehicles at least once a week!
23
05/01/2021 16:59:56 8 8
bbc
railways in a lot of trouble - the gravy train (sic) is grinding to a halt, so unions (who's incredible pay increases during private ownership) need to understand jobs will be lost and pay will have to be cut. To those moaning about fares, who do you suggests pays if its not farepayers? People who pay taxes and don't use trains? subsidising train travel is a very middle class subsidy...
35
05/01/2021 18:27:42 7 1
bbc
As with many things at the moment, it seems like a majority feel anyone else can pay, provided they don't have to. Maybe it's not a majority but a lot of folks on HYS , especially those welded to to idealistic left or right wing dogma who seem to think it's always someone else to blame. It seems we all have many rights & entitlements, but few responsibilities, yet still people manage to screw up.
49
05/01/2021 18:59:13 1 0
bbc
Yes same as I shouldn’t pay for car drivers gas guzzling
24
Tim
05/01/2021 17:28:37 18 6
bbc
Time to renationalise - East Coast mainline was excellent when in public ownership - and considering amount Government gives in subsidies might as well take that next step.
39
05/01/2021 18:36:32 3 3
bbc
bit too marxist, still they're handing out free dosh so,,,,,,,,,,
48
05/01/2021 18:58:32 1 0
bbc
Keep it under Shapps thumb lol
25
05/01/2021 17:38:12 1 0
bbc
Under the latest furlough rules employers can put staff on part time and furlough - surely that must be a consideration here. Fewer passengers, therefore fewer staff required at stations and fewer trains required on routes both on peak and off peak, certainly. Extend job share - I guess in many ways that's how things work now but reduce the volume of staff on shift at anyone time.
26
05/01/2021 17:51:44 6 7
bbc
What we need is to spaff billions up the wall on HS2. You know that very fast train that won't have any people on it
28
05/01/2021 17:54:44 7 5
bbc
Thats if they have any money left to build it. Its a very expensive folly, that if ever completed wont really make money.
47
05/01/2021 18:58:03 1 5
bbc
Yes it will, students, tourists and long distance couples to name a few and city business people
27
05/01/2021 17:52:28 10 2
bbc
South Western Railway continues to run a normal peak service on most inner and outer suburban services with 8 or 10 car trains. These trains carry few passengers and have done since April. The morning peak is 0600-0800 and the Govt has thrown money away running this pointless level of service. Only shareholders have benefitted from this. A scandalous waste of public money
46
05/01/2021 18:57:24 1 4
bbc
I think it’s bad people go to the city to bank is that necessary now?
26
05/01/2021 17:51:44 6 7
bbc
What we need is to spaff billions up the wall on HS2. You know that very fast train that won't have any people on it
28
05/01/2021 17:54:44 7 5
bbc
Thats if they have any money left to build it. Its a very expensive folly, that if ever completed wont really make money.
29
05/01/2021 17:59:26 14 1
bbc
I am one that is legally barred from driving (on medical grounds) and have to use public transport whether it is trains or buses to go places. At the moment any restrictions on timetables dont affect me, but others will suffer for it.
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Xai
05/01/2021 18:35:04 8 1
bbc
it's mostly the extremes that will be cut, like the services at 5am or the 6 trains an hour at 'rush hour' that aren't needed.
30
05/01/2021 18:04:38 2 6
bbc
Crumbs yes cut those services and those fares up. Train services are not there to move passengers just to make loads of money.
32
05/01/2021 18:07:25 7 7
bbc
It's called PRIVATISATION!!
45
05/01/2021 18:56:46 1 0
bbc
I’m annoyed having a railcard I wasn’t able to use last year hardly much at all, I’ve not renewed mine yet if at all this year
31
05/01/2021 18:03:04 4 13
bbc
Why are trains, the London Tube , even Airports open
UK are locked down again, yet these facilities are still running, spreading the Virus, again London and South East areas of the UK. Thought that after NewYear, with all the travel from the south, infecting more of the UK, a lock down would be stronger in the South, But no, again the South /North divide proving again the South get what they want
33
NGB
05/01/2021 18:11:49 23 1
bbc
Not much common sense here! How do you expect low paid key workers to get to work? Walk?
36
Xai
05/01/2021 18:33:54 2 3
bbc
To take people to pubs to spread the virus, why else?
78
06/01/2021 08:19:10 2 0
bbc
How would you expect people working in the essential services to get to work with out public transport? A lot of those working in the essential services that are keeping this country going are low paid workers and can not afford to own or run a car so they have no other choice then to use public transport.
By the way I am a public transport worker.
30
05/01/2021 18:04:38 2 6
bbc
Crumbs yes cut those services and those fares up. Train services are not there to move passengers just to make loads of money.
32
05/01/2021 18:07:25 7 7
bbc
It's called PRIVATISATION!!
31
05/01/2021 18:03:04 4 13
bbc
Why are trains, the London Tube , even Airports open
UK are locked down again, yet these facilities are still running, spreading the Virus, again London and South East areas of the UK. Thought that after NewYear, with all the travel from the south, infecting more of the UK, a lock down would be stronger in the South, But no, again the South /North divide proving again the South get what they want
33
NGB
05/01/2021 18:11:49 23 1
bbc
Not much common sense here! How do you expect low paid key workers to get to work? Walk?
34
05/01/2021 18:26:55 2 1
bbc
Travel allowed only if you hold a valid a work permit or other recognised document like a hospital appointment letter?
37
05/01/2021 18:35:03 1 0
bbc
red bull and fly wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee
33
NGB
05/01/2021 18:11:49 23 1
bbc
Not much common sense here! How do you expect low paid key workers to get to work? Walk?
34
05/01/2021 18:26:55 2 1
bbc
Travel allowed only if you hold a valid a work permit or other recognised document like a hospital appointment letter?
44
05/01/2021 18:55:48 0 2
bbc
We all needed NHS cards to swipe on public transport, in shops and essential places it would track the virus and allow people able to work more confidence, the app is rubbish
79
06/01/2021 08:19:10 0 0
bbc
,....or an employee of a contractor doing building work, etc, etc, in fact any employee who cannot work from home, is allowed to travel wherever they are needed.
23
05/01/2021 16:59:56 8 8
bbc
railways in a lot of trouble - the gravy train (sic) is grinding to a halt, so unions (who's incredible pay increases during private ownership) need to understand jobs will be lost and pay will have to be cut. To those moaning about fares, who do you suggests pays if its not farepayers? People who pay taxes and don't use trains? subsidising train travel is a very middle class subsidy...
35
05/01/2021 18:27:42 7 1
bbc
As with many things at the moment, it seems like a majority feel anyone else can pay, provided they don't have to. Maybe it's not a majority but a lot of folks on HYS , especially those welded to to idealistic left or right wing dogma who seem to think it's always someone else to blame. It seems we all have many rights & entitlements, but few responsibilities, yet still people manage to screw up.
31
05/01/2021 18:03:04 4 13
bbc
Why are trains, the London Tube , even Airports open
UK are locked down again, yet these facilities are still running, spreading the Virus, again London and South East areas of the UK. Thought that after NewYear, with all the travel from the south, infecting more of the UK, a lock down would be stronger in the South, But no, again the South /North divide proving again the South get what they want
36
Xai
05/01/2021 18:33:54 2 3
bbc
To take people to pubs to spread the virus, why else?
33
NGB
05/01/2021 18:11:49 23 1
bbc
Not much common sense here! How do you expect low paid key workers to get to work? Walk?
37
05/01/2021 18:35:03 1 0
bbc
red bull and fly wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee
29
05/01/2021 17:59:26 14 1
bbc
I am one that is legally barred from driving (on medical grounds) and have to use public transport whether it is trains or buses to go places. At the moment any restrictions on timetables dont affect me, but others will suffer for it.
38
Xai
05/01/2021 18:35:04 8 1
bbc
it's mostly the extremes that will be cut, like the services at 5am or the 6 trains an hour at 'rush hour' that aren't needed.
68
05/01/2021 21:39:48 1 0
bbc
The services at 5 am are those that carry essential key workers who keep the country running.
Trains at 9 am, we can probably manage without most of their passengers!
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Tim
05/01/2021 17:28:37 18 6
bbc
Time to renationalise - East Coast mainline was excellent when in public ownership - and considering amount Government gives in subsidies might as well take that next step.
39
05/01/2021 18:36:32 3 3
bbc
bit too marxist, still they're handing out free dosh so,,,,,,,,,,
129
06/01/2021 15:24:38 0 0
bbc
Nicolier Whingeon's Scotland's liability. As proven no mistake. Happy Brexit. Oh Eck!
9
05/01/2021 16:25:50 1 1
bbc
Hardly surprising. Predicted this months ago.
Will isolate even more rural dwellers.
40
05/01/2021 18:38:11 1 1
bbc
did that in 60's remember beeching and that dodgy roads minister
another corrupt tory???
surely not
51
05/01/2021 19:02:10 0 0
bbc
Yes Reginald Maudling which led to civil servant Beeching who proposed slashing a lot of the railways. Shapps today wants to reopen some stations lost the irony. Reginald Maudling left a note to only the future PM who lost to Thatcher, James Callaghan about “there’s no money old cock!”
41
05/01/2021 18:39:34 5 4
bbc
why cant the empty trains be used to carry freight similar to how aircraft are being deployed. Surely an empty carriage could be loaded with freight rather than moving
77
06/01/2021 08:17:25 0 0
bbc
Remember “ Goods vans” on passenger trains?
Became redundant when White van man was born.
The issue is not so much carrying the freight, as collection from a despatch point to a railway, and from the railway, to the destination.
42
05/01/2021 18:36:26 13 4
bbc
commonsense123

Why are trains, the London Tube , Airports open

**

The main problem is that a lot of people seem to be either incapable of, or unwilling to ,understand 'social distancing'.

Some also don't seem to consider they need to cover their mouth / nose in shops and other necessary places.

Neither are difficult to comprehend : some merely think they know better......or are simply idiots.
3
05/01/2021 16:10:49 20 4
bbc
During this entire pandemic, train companies had very few passengers and they were given taxpayer funded bailout in billions. In spite of this all these train companies kept on selling peak hour day tickets to all passengers. Atleast they could have offered off peak or discounted tickets for people who do not have any other modes of transport. Profits to shareholders and all loss to taxpayers.
43
05/01/2021 18:42:47 0 0
bbc
The reason they are selling tickets to make money - if the train system were to swop places with the police force and do their job I suspect they would require billions in exra funding for being both the railways and the police
34
05/01/2021 18:26:55 2 1
bbc
Travel allowed only if you hold a valid a work permit or other recognised document like a hospital appointment letter?
44
05/01/2021 18:55:48 0 2
bbc
We all needed NHS cards to swipe on public transport, in shops and essential places it would track the virus and allow people able to work more confidence, the app is rubbish
64
05/01/2021 20:24:46 0 0
bbc
Agreed the App is a bit of a dog and relies on everyone having a smartphone capable of running it, which they don't, so a lot less than ideal.

However the backend/middleware data integration needed to make a scheme like you've proposed work any better is just substituting one set of problems with another. Admittedly it could be developed and deployed in phases so it does have another mitigation.
30
05/01/2021 18:04:38 2 6
bbc
Crumbs yes cut those services and those fares up. Train services are not there to move passengers just to make loads of money.
45
05/01/2021 18:56:46 1 0
bbc
I’m annoyed having a railcard I wasn’t able to use last year hardly much at all, I’ve not renewed mine yet if at all this year
27
05/01/2021 17:52:28 10 2
bbc
South Western Railway continues to run a normal peak service on most inner and outer suburban services with 8 or 10 car trains. These trains carry few passengers and have done since April. The morning peak is 0600-0800 and the Govt has thrown money away running this pointless level of service. Only shareholders have benefitted from this. A scandalous waste of public money
46
05/01/2021 18:57:24 1 4
bbc
I think it’s bad people go to the city to bank is that necessary now?
26
05/01/2021 17:51:44 6 7
bbc
What we need is to spaff billions up the wall on HS2. You know that very fast train that won't have any people on it
47
05/01/2021 18:58:03 1 5
bbc
Yes it will, students, tourists and long distance couples to name a few and city business people
63
05/01/2021 20:24:18 3 1
bbc
All you mention can already travel the same a to b. How does uniting a “long distance couple” slightly quicker than at present justify the billions spent?
24
Tim
05/01/2021 17:28:37 18 6
bbc
Time to renationalise - East Coast mainline was excellent when in public ownership - and considering amount Government gives in subsidies might as well take that next step.
48
05/01/2021 18:58:32 1 0
bbc
Keep it under Shapps thumb lol
23
05/01/2021 16:59:56 8 8
bbc
railways in a lot of trouble - the gravy train (sic) is grinding to a halt, so unions (who's incredible pay increases during private ownership) need to understand jobs will be lost and pay will have to be cut. To those moaning about fares, who do you suggests pays if its not farepayers? People who pay taxes and don't use trains? subsidising train travel is a very middle class subsidy...
49
05/01/2021 18:59:13 1 0
bbc
Yes same as I shouldn’t pay for car drivers gas guzzling
65
05/01/2021 20:31:20 0 0
bbc
You don't, road use use is already well milked for tax revenue. It's more likely this revenue is also being used to subsidise PT. When or rather if, PT extends to rural areas, that would be the time to increase the burden on road users.
16
05/01/2021 16:29:58 2 4
bbc
May I suggest cutting train length to 4 cars immediately on suburban routes including London to Brighton (frequently 10 or 12) and the long distance trains (eg London-Newcastle) from 10 or 12 to 6? Also reduce train frequency from 3 per hour to 2 and 4 to 2?
50
05/01/2021 19:00:01 0 2
bbc
I don’t know why Ashford to Eastbourne had 4 carriages on a Sunday I watched it go past and hardly anyone on it such a waste!
40
05/01/2021 18:38:11 1 1
bbc
did that in 60's remember beeching and that dodgy roads minister
another corrupt tory???
surely not
51
05/01/2021 19:02:10 0 0
bbc
Yes Reginald Maudling which led to civil servant Beeching who proposed slashing a lot of the railways. Shapps today wants to reopen some stations lost the irony. Reginald Maudling left a note to only the future PM who lost to Thatcher, James Callaghan about “there’s no money old cock!”
8
05/01/2021 16:25:21 9 1
bbc
Short term service reductions make sense during lockdown, but I'm concerned that the government will take the opportunity to reduce services for good. If the country is really going to 'build back greener', then a reliable nationwide rail service is a key part of that.
52
05/01/2021 19:02:33 0 0
bbc
That’s the worry will we be 1960 again?
21
05/01/2021 16:49:22 9 0
bbc
better still more WFH or working locally using the internet so less trains needed for passengers, more capacity for freight and so able to take more of it off the roads by lorry, at least for part of the journey.
53
05/01/2021 19:02:53 0 0
bbc
I suggested this for channel tunnel
5
05/01/2021 16:13:53 3 0
bbc
It is also hard to see how bus services, which are running mostly on low passenger numbers, can continue without being reduced.
54
05/01/2021 19:03:46 0 0
bbc
My mother has to use local bus to get to me or walk 0.6 miles. A lot for a 65 year old
19
05/01/2021 16:39:38 4 0
bbc
Nothing to do with "profits to shareholders" - the DfT has complete control at the moment and it told them to retain the fares as they are. The Treasury has insisted that "every penny possible" is extracted from people who are travelling. The industry has proposed many fare cuts or offers and most have been rejected by the Government.
55
05/01/2021 19:04:36 0 0
bbc
Yes and the arrangement has changed now the fares have to be paid first to DFT before then staff are POF after
1
05/01/2021 16:06:31 6 8
bbc
How about some fuel rationing to keep frivolous car travel down a bit too?
56
05/01/2021 19:05:56 0 1
bbc
Fuel duty should go up
4
05/01/2021 16:11:04 3 6
bbc
Very nice thought for those people who have to travel to support their bubble.
This pandemic has certainly brought out the nasties in some people
57
05/01/2021 19:06:22 1 0
bbc
Yes like my mother
66
05/01/2021 20:41:03 0 0
bbc
Luck to still have someone to bubble with, particularly someone so close like a father or mother. However, surely you'd see them frequently enough even before Corvid, so has it really made it a big different, let alone harder? Besides, we've all had to compromise regardless of worthiness of purpose, Covid doesn't care who you are or why you're doing something.
41
05/01/2021 18:39:34 5 4
bbc
why cant the empty trains be used to carry freight similar to how aircraft are being deployed. Surely an empty carriage could be loaded with freight rather than moving
59
05/01/2021 19:12:22 11 2
bbc
The entire rail system needs a rethink. It will never return to the commuter cashcow with people putting up with high prices and poor service. We've proven there is an alternative: WFH.
87
06/01/2021 10:57:46 2 1
bbc
Indeed.

.... which includes re-assessing the requirement for HS2.
60
05/01/2021 19:12:31 5 1
bbc
One of my regular train drivers has been volunteering with the RVS and I now see her when I need prescriptions as she's kind enough to fetch them for me instead of us both yawning our way onto a train in the early morning!
61
05/01/2021 19:37:21 2 11
bbc
So , Train Operators ...due to ronarules you are screwed income wise ..get together ...lay evidence to get bj dealt with for your LOSS , HIS diktats are causing all this ....to save a very small percentage..... and DoT prob expects you spend more money spraying gallons of cleaner everywhere evry time the trains turn round ....you seriously need to have him in the dock
62
05/01/2021 19:53:16 20 0
bbc
Now put that in English, rather than gibberish.
61
05/01/2021 19:37:21 2 11
bbc
So , Train Operators ...due to ronarules you are screwed income wise ..get together ...lay evidence to get bj dealt with for your LOSS , HIS diktats are causing all this ....to save a very small percentage..... and DoT prob expects you spend more money spraying gallons of cleaner everywhere evry time the trains turn round ....you seriously need to have him in the dock
62
05/01/2021 19:53:16 20 0
bbc
Now put that in English, rather than gibberish.
47
05/01/2021 18:58:03 1 5
bbc
Yes it will, students, tourists and long distance couples to name a few and city business people
63
05/01/2021 20:24:18 3 1
bbc
All you mention can already travel the same a to b. How does uniting a “long distance couple” slightly quicker than at present justify the billions spent?
44
05/01/2021 18:55:48 0 2
bbc
We all needed NHS cards to swipe on public transport, in shops and essential places it would track the virus and allow people able to work more confidence, the app is rubbish
64
05/01/2021 20:24:46 0 0
bbc
Agreed the App is a bit of a dog and relies on everyone having a smartphone capable of running it, which they don't, so a lot less than ideal.

However the backend/middleware data integration needed to make a scheme like you've proposed work any better is just substituting one set of problems with another. Admittedly it could be developed and deployed in phases so it does have another mitigation.
49
05/01/2021 18:59:13 1 0
bbc
Yes same as I shouldn’t pay for car drivers gas guzzling
65
05/01/2021 20:31:20 0 0
bbc
You don't, road use use is already well milked for tax revenue. It's more likely this revenue is also being used to subsidise PT. When or rather if, PT extends to rural areas, that would be the time to increase the burden on road users.
57
05/01/2021 19:06:22 1 0
bbc
Yes like my mother
66
05/01/2021 20:41:03 0 0
bbc
Luck to still have someone to bubble with, particularly someone so close like a father or mother. However, surely you'd see them frequently enough even before Corvid, so has it really made it a big different, let alone harder? Besides, we've all had to compromise regardless of worthiness of purpose, Covid doesn't care who you are or why you're doing something.
67
05/01/2021 21:17:33 1 5
bbc
It's only about 10 billion for the whole year

Just stick about 2p on the basic rate of income tax to pay for it - that way everybody pays except the very poorest

Come on it's a small price for keeping Great Aunt Janet alive for another 6 months

We need trains don't we too?
38
Xai
05/01/2021 18:35:04 8 1
bbc
it's mostly the extremes that will be cut, like the services at 5am or the 6 trains an hour at 'rush hour' that aren't needed.
68
05/01/2021 21:39:48 1 0
bbc
The services at 5 am are those that carry essential key workers who keep the country running.
Trains at 9 am, we can probably manage without most of their passengers!
69
05/01/2021 21:42:05 7 5
bbc
Running costs on the railways and the London Underground need to be cut urgently. Paying train drivers £50/60k per annum is ridiculous. Pay needs to be reduced or redundancies will be coming. Strikes will be ineffective with so few travelling.
80
06/01/2021 08:24:48 7 1
bbc
If train driver pay offends you so much you must be livid at the average FTSE company boss at £3,600,000.
83
06/01/2021 09:36:46 3 0
bbc
To be honest I don't think train drivers pay is ridiculous at all (and no - I have no connection to any rail company, and I'm not related to or even know anyone who works in the industry). Think of the resonsibility that the train driver has - and the number of lives he/she is ultimately responsible for.
70
05/01/2021 23:30:04 3 8
bbc
UBER + COVID SPELL THE END OF RAILWAYS.

40% RISE IN FARES OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.

THROUGHT THE PANDEMIC THEY HAVE ALSO RAISED THEIR FARES.

WHERE THE HELL IS THE HUMILITY OF THESE PEOPLE?

WHAT PLANET DO THEY LIVE ON?

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-fares-rise-train-season-tickets-uk-cpi-government-a8660821.html

LABOUR WAS SPOT ON NATIONALISE THEM, NO GOOD 4 NOTHING.
71
05/01/2021 23:36:05 3 0
bbc
THROUGH... what on earth is that, some special conspiracy theory lingo... A ho ho ho ho
72
05/01/2021 23:37:31 0 0
bbc
THROUGHT... spell correct got me
70
05/01/2021 23:30:04 3 8
bbc
UBER + COVID SPELL THE END OF RAILWAYS.

40% RISE IN FARES OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.

THROUGHT THE PANDEMIC THEY HAVE ALSO RAISED THEIR FARES.

WHERE THE HELL IS THE HUMILITY OF THESE PEOPLE?

WHAT PLANET DO THEY LIVE ON?

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-fares-rise-train-season-tickets-uk-cpi-government-a8660821.html

LABOUR WAS SPOT ON NATIONALISE THEM, NO GOOD 4 NOTHING.
71
05/01/2021 23:36:05 3 0
bbc
THROUGH... what on earth is that, some special conspiracy theory lingo... A ho ho ho ho
70
05/01/2021 23:30:04 3 8
bbc
UBER + COVID SPELL THE END OF RAILWAYS.

40% RISE IN FARES OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.

THROUGHT THE PANDEMIC THEY HAVE ALSO RAISED THEIR FARES.

WHERE THE HELL IS THE HUMILITY OF THESE PEOPLE?

WHAT PLANET DO THEY LIVE ON?

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rail-fares-rise-train-season-tickets-uk-cpi-government-a8660821.html

LABOUR WAS SPOT ON NATIONALISE THEM, NO GOOD 4 NOTHING.
72
05/01/2021 23:37:31 0 0
bbc
THROUGHT... spell correct got me
73
05/01/2021 23:42:57 0 1
bbc
I must admit I don’t understand why the train between Greenford and West Ealing still operates. There’s hardly anybody ever on it and you can get the E7.
74
06/01/2021 00:47:35 6 5
bbc
Still be running empty trains. the whole system need big cutbacks as millions are not working from home and will not return to rip off commuting. Which alone destroys the false case used for HS2. Capacity. Staff cuts inevitable get on with it. After scrapping all of HS2.
85
06/01/2021 09:44:54 3 0
bbc
HS2 will go ahead, it's too far advanced to stop it. Land purchased, contracts let, construction ongoing.
8
05/01/2021 16:25:21 9 1
bbc
Short term service reductions make sense during lockdown, but I'm concerned that the government will take the opportunity to reduce services for good. If the country is really going to 'build back greener', then a reliable nationwide rail service is a key part of that.
75
06/01/2021 01:00:58 0 0
bbc
No we need to cease such traveling. That is 'green'.
76
06/01/2021 05:44:13 7 2
bbc
Nothing to do with covid but bring back British Rail.

Privatising and splitting up regions for different companies has been a disaster. Time for a not for profit, nationally owned, integrated system so our taxes don't go into deep pockets.
82
06/01/2021 09:31:41 3 3
bbc
Obviously I have no idea, but I'm guessing you didn't experience British Rail. Stations were dirty, smelly. Trains were just as overcrowded and more often than not late - if they arrived at all. Staff couldn't be bothered - not a pleasant experience.

The current situation is far from perfect, but a return to the BR days is not the panacea some would lead you to believe it would be.
84
06/01/2021 09:43:30 2 1
bbc
Let's be fair, pre and post privatisation railways have always been "Not For Profit", they have always been subsidised!
41
05/01/2021 18:39:34 5 4
bbc
why cant the empty trains be used to carry freight similar to how aircraft are being deployed. Surely an empty carriage could be loaded with freight rather than moving
77
06/01/2021 08:17:25 0 0
bbc
Remember “ Goods vans” on passenger trains?
Became redundant when White van man was born.
The issue is not so much carrying the freight, as collection from a despatch point to a railway, and from the railway, to the destination.
31
05/01/2021 18:03:04 4 13
bbc
Why are trains, the London Tube , even Airports open
UK are locked down again, yet these facilities are still running, spreading the Virus, again London and South East areas of the UK. Thought that after NewYear, with all the travel from the south, infecting more of the UK, a lock down would be stronger in the South, But no, again the South /North divide proving again the South get what they want
78
06/01/2021 08:19:10 2 0
bbc
How would you expect people working in the essential services to get to work with out public transport? A lot of those working in the essential services that are keeping this country going are low paid workers and can not afford to own or run a car so they have no other choice then to use public transport.
By the way I am a public transport worker.
34
05/01/2021 18:26:55 2 1
bbc
Travel allowed only if you hold a valid a work permit or other recognised document like a hospital appointment letter?
79
06/01/2021 08:19:10 0 0
bbc
,....or an employee of a contractor doing building work, etc, etc, in fact any employee who cannot work from home, is allowed to travel wherever they are needed.
69
05/01/2021 21:42:05 7 5
bbc
Running costs on the railways and the London Underground need to be cut urgently. Paying train drivers £50/60k per annum is ridiculous. Pay needs to be reduced or redundancies will be coming. Strikes will be ineffective with so few travelling.
80
06/01/2021 08:24:48 7 1
bbc
If train driver pay offends you so much you must be livid at the average FTSE company boss at £3,600,000.
81
06/01/2021 09:15:42 4 0
bbc
Trains and public transport are still needed to get key medical and other critical staff to work. You'll find rail transport is classified as critical national infrastructure. You'll also find those involved in the delivery of rail transport can still send their kids to school..
94
06/01/2021 12:55:52 0 1
bbc
It was so critical that The Tories sold it off to the highest bidder. Same as electricity, gas etc etc.
76
06/01/2021 05:44:13 7 2
bbc
Nothing to do with covid but bring back British Rail.

Privatising and splitting up regions for different companies has been a disaster. Time for a not for profit, nationally owned, integrated system so our taxes don't go into deep pockets.
82
06/01/2021 09:31:41 3 3
bbc
Obviously I have no idea, but I'm guessing you didn't experience British Rail. Stations were dirty, smelly. Trains were just as overcrowded and more often than not late - if they arrived at all. Staff couldn't be bothered - not a pleasant experience.

The current situation is far from perfect, but a return to the BR days is not the panacea some would lead you to believe it would be.
69
05/01/2021 21:42:05 7 5
bbc
Running costs on the railways and the London Underground need to be cut urgently. Paying train drivers £50/60k per annum is ridiculous. Pay needs to be reduced or redundancies will be coming. Strikes will be ineffective with so few travelling.
83
06/01/2021 09:36:46 3 0
bbc
To be honest I don't think train drivers pay is ridiculous at all (and no - I have no connection to any rail company, and I'm not related to or even know anyone who works in the industry). Think of the resonsibility that the train driver has - and the number of lives he/she is ultimately responsible for.
76
06/01/2021 05:44:13 7 2
bbc
Nothing to do with covid but bring back British Rail.

Privatising and splitting up regions for different companies has been a disaster. Time for a not for profit, nationally owned, integrated system so our taxes don't go into deep pockets.
84
06/01/2021 09:43:30 2 1
bbc
Let's be fair, pre and post privatisation railways have always been "Not For Profit", they have always been subsidised!
92
06/01/2021 12:47:02 0 1
bbc
The present set up costing 5 times the subsidy BR received. Another Tory failed policy?
74
06/01/2021 00:47:35 6 5
bbc
Still be running empty trains. the whole system need big cutbacks as millions are not working from home and will not return to rip off commuting. Which alone destroys the false case used for HS2. Capacity. Staff cuts inevitable get on with it. After scrapping all of HS2.
85
06/01/2021 09:44:54 3 0
bbc
HS2 will go ahead, it's too far advanced to stop it. Land purchased, contracts let, construction ongoing.
86
06/01/2021 10:03:48 2 0
bbc
Clearly, with fewer people travelling - or allowed to travel - there is scope for reducing service numbers and some train lengths (not always possible due to design of trains). It is the DfT who have to make such decisions, the Operators are now paid to run the services the DfT demand. Consideration needs to be made for social distancing on the trains that do run.
59
05/01/2021 19:12:22 11 2
bbc
The entire rail system needs a rethink. It will never return to the commuter cashcow with people putting up with high prices and poor service. We've proven there is an alternative: WFH.
87
06/01/2021 10:57:46 2 1
bbc
Indeed.

.... which includes re-assessing the requirement for HS2.
88
06/01/2021 11:14:03 1 2
bbc
Better than normal then?
89
06/01/2021 11:14:29 3 2
bbc
How do i travel to get my vaccine
91
06/01/2021 12:44:59 1 2
bbc
Walk
96
06/01/2021 12:57:10 0 1
bbc
I hope you mean the covid vaccine Drew. They don't have one for your other issues :)
90
06/01/2021 12:31:27 2 0
bbc
Hope some far sighted person is developing plans to increase the number of freight trains. Too much traffic on the motorways are continental artic lorries - maybe driving fish from scotland to spain would be better off being done by rail etc - after all the distribution of fish to cities was done by rail, revolutionalised the industry and peoples diet.
104
06/01/2021 13:06:23 1 0
bbc
Fish flies to Europe!
89
06/01/2021 11:14:29 3 2
bbc
How do i travel to get my vaccine
91
06/01/2021 12:44:59 1 2
bbc
Walk
93
06/01/2021 12:54:33 2 0
bbc
Maybe I am disabled.... Over 80.....high risk illness... Lung issues...... But thank you for your caring thoughts
127
06/01/2021 15:20:07 0 1
bbc
Oh Ron that's a classic.
84
06/01/2021 09:43:30 2 1
bbc
Let's be fair, pre and post privatisation railways have always been "Not For Profit", they have always been subsidised!
92
06/01/2021 12:47:02 0 1
bbc
The present set up costing 5 times the subsidy BR received. Another Tory failed policy?
91
06/01/2021 12:44:59 1 2
bbc
Walk
93
06/01/2021 12:54:33 2 0
bbc
Maybe I am disabled.... Over 80.....high risk illness... Lung issues...... But thank you for your caring thoughts
97
06/01/2021 12:57:36 0 1
bbc
Then again you might no be methinks.
81
06/01/2021 09:15:42 4 0
bbc
Trains and public transport are still needed to get key medical and other critical staff to work. You'll find rail transport is classified as critical national infrastructure. You'll also find those involved in the delivery of rail transport can still send their kids to school..
94
06/01/2021 12:55:52 0 1
bbc
It was so critical that The Tories sold it off to the highest bidder. Same as electricity, gas etc etc.
101
06/01/2021 13:04:23 2 0
bbc
Like the 130m hosp that costs us £1.4m empty and £523m once contracts fully paid.

Or the cheap, value for money ferry's?
136
06/01/2021 18:01:24 0 0
bbc
The Tory's had to sell off our utilities because the Labour government plunged the UK into the grasp of the IMF when they mismanaged the economy and had to call them in to bail us out.
95
06/01/2021 12:56:10 2 1
bbc
I need the train to

Get my shopping

Visit my doctor / hosp

Visit testing & vaccine centres

So, what do I do now?

Very short sighted....
103
06/01/2021 13:05:37 0 1
bbc
Take the bus (cheaper). Walk (cheaper still).
107
06/01/2021 13:08:18 0 1
bbc
Very short sighted? Have you seen an optician?
89
06/01/2021 11:14:29 3 2
bbc
How do i travel to get my vaccine
96
06/01/2021 12:57:10 0 1
bbc
I hope you mean the covid vaccine Drew. They don't have one for your other issues :)
99
06/01/2021 13:00:09 1 0
bbc
Like grandstanditis, dillusional totalitarianism and bad memory?
93
06/01/2021 12:54:33 2 0
bbc
Maybe I am disabled.... Over 80.....high risk illness... Lung issues...... But thank you for your caring thoughts
97
06/01/2021 12:57:36 0 1
bbc
Then again you might no be methinks.
100
06/01/2021 13:00:36 1 0
bbc
You think? Wow...
98
06/01/2021 12:58:41 2 0
bbc
Nicola to start doing a daily travel advice show at 1.30pm everyday on ITV
102
06/01/2021 13:04:56 0 2
bbc
At least we just have her for a wee while, passing on useful information. We have you for hours, spouting angst, bile and hatred. Think we all know who's presence is more appreciated.
96
06/01/2021 12:57:10 0 1
bbc
I hope you mean the covid vaccine Drew. They don't have one for your other issues :)
99
06/01/2021 13:00:09 1 0
bbc
Like grandstanditis, dillusional totalitarianism and bad memory?
105
06/01/2021 13:06:33 0 1
bbc
Stop deluding yourself. You have non of those capabilities.
97
06/01/2021 12:57:36 0 1
bbc
Then again you might no be methinks.
100
06/01/2021 13:00:36 1 0
bbc
You think? Wow...
106
06/01/2021 13:07:12 0 1
bbc
At least some of us can think. Others just spout bile and hatred.